The deadlines for completing the tests of the Su-57 and MiG-35 are announced

It became known about the timing of completion of state tests of the 5 fighter of the Su-57 generation. This was reported by the Red Star, which provides an interview with the commander of the Russian Air Force Sergei Dronov.

According to General Dronov, the state tests of the Su-57 will be completed before the end of the 2019 year.

He also told about the timing of the completion of tests of the MiG-35 fighter.

Sergey Dronov:

MiG-35 planes are planned to be certified before the end of the 2021 year.

According to the Air Force commander, the task of re-equipping three regiments with the latest Su-57 aircraft is being solved. This task was set by President Vladimir Putin.

In total, the Russian Defense Ministry plans to purchase 76 Su-57 fighters.

In addition, Sergey Dronov noted that the MiG-35 fighters are significantly more economical than the Su-30СМ and Su-35С fighters. According to the Air Force commander, the cost of a MiG-35 flight hour is about one and a half times lower than the cost of a flight hour at the mentioned Sushki.

Recall that Russia also notes the high export potential of MiG-35 fighters. One of the countries that is considering the acquisition of such aircraft is India. But when exactly in New Delhi they will inform about their final decision in terms of acquiring aircraft, it is not known.

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[aszzz888]

One of the countries that is considering the acquisition of such aircraft is India. But when it is in New Delhi that they will inform about their final decision regarding the acquisition of aircraft, unknown

Keyword. I suppose the Turks would rather agree, while the Indians will guess on the flowers.

[Voyager]

To hope for Indians - do not respect yourself

[NEXUS]

Quote: Voyager

To hope for Indians - do not respect yourself

Do not forget, thanks to whom we have a modern tank building today. As for "relying on the Indians" .... you go to the market for example, and for some reason try to choose what you need at a cheaper price, starting from the price-quality. You don't go to the first tray overpaying, although it may be cheaper and better at other trays. So why should the Indians be afraid to buy ours, given that they have enough offers on the arms market? Yes, we really want big contracts on arms in the Indian arms market, but ... the buyer decides for himself what is best for him. Or is it wrong?
Now, according to the article ... with the arrival of the SU-57 in the VKS and the subsequent MIG-35 and the UAV Okhotnik, our VKS will radically change their appearance. Moreover, both qualitatively and quantitatively. At the same time, they will be supplemented by heavy strike UAVs, which will fundamentally change the strategy and tactics of using strike aircraft. And for me, the same Hunter is in the future a replacement for the Rooks in the first place.

[mark1]

Quote: NEXUS

with the arrival of the SU-57 in the VKS and the subsequent MIG-35 and the UAV Okhotnik, our VKS will radically change their appearance. Moreover, both qualitatively and quantitatively.

And how to quantify? Su-27 is now around 350 units in service, MiG-29 about 250 units - are we waiting for an equal quantitative replacement?

Quote: NEXUS

The hunter is the future replacement of the Rooks in the first place.

Rook - a plane on the battlefield, not expensive. with a short reaction time and designed for fire impact on the structure, do you think the replacement is equivalent?

[NEXUS]

Quote: mark1

And how to quantify? Su-27 is now around 350 units in service, MiG-29 about 250 units - are we waiting for an equal quantitative replacement?

I think there will not be an equal replacement for several reasons. The first is the comparable price. The second is the industrial capacity. The third is the complexity of the new fighter platforms. The fourth is the transition from manned aircraft to UAVs, which are cheaper than manned vehicles and can be assembled much faster . Do not forget the training of flight personnel, which is not like in WWII 3 of the month. Moreover, the cost of training an ace pilot is not much less than the cost of the fighter itself. I believe that the SU-57's in the troops will be less quantitatively than the SU-27 when they were put into service and delivered to the Air Force.

Quote: mark1

Rook - a plane on the battlefield, not expensive. with a short reaction time and designed for fire impact on the structure, do you think the replacement is equivalent?

Not equivalent and not because Rook is a tested horse, tenacious, etc. ... but for a simple reason, the risk of losing drugs in the person of live pilots is removed. And what prevents us from circling the flock of Hunters over the battlefield, instead of two or three Rooks, I do not understand.

[Kasym]

Andrew, ... The hunter is made according to the "flying wing" scheme, i.e. weak maneuverability - not good as an attack aircraft. It will rather be used in a striking version, like a bomber (platform for launching missiles and KAB).

[NEXUS]

Quote: Kasym

Andrew, ... The hunter is made according to the "flying wing" scheme, i.e. weak maneuverability - not good as an attack aircraft. It will rather be used as a bomber (platform for launching missiles and KAB).

On account of "as an attack aircraft is not good" is very controversial. I'll explain ... let's take two versions of the database. The first is in the manner of the Syrian, that is, the enemy does not have at least some serious air defense. Then the question is, why does the Hunter need maneuverability if he only needs a ceiling safe from needles and stingers?
The second option ... the enemy is strong, with air defense, interceptors, etc. ... the question is, will the Hunter fly in splendid isolation and will there not be our fighters on their interceptors? It is believed that the Hunter will hone on the destruction of ground targets, including enemy air defense systems. So he will have an arsenal corresponding to these tasks. Also, in the second version, the question immediately arises: what is better to send to the mission, the manned Grach, or unmanned aerial vehicles, which even with the loss are not a pity?

[Kasym]

A-priory. Attack aircraft - combat aircraft, rel. to front-line aviation and is intended for direct support dry. troops over the battlefield, as well as for targeted destruction of land and sea targets (which implies the use of NAR, AP and AB - the cheapest ammunition).
For a quick approach to the target, good maneuverability is needed, which does not suit the flying wing in any way.

[Sky strike fighter]

Yesterday in Vesti Nedeli there was a report about S-70. And there they announced a radius of 5000 km, the exchange of information between S-70 drones, strike functions on surface and ground targets using high-precision weapons, which are currently in service and are being developed. The S-70 can be controlled remotely with the help of an operator on the ground, and through an autonomous mode with independent decision-making. There are some elements of artificial intelligence. Maintenance of the Su-57 is not necessary. That is, the S-70 can itself perform the role of the Su-57 for the rest of the S-70 as a point of guidance and control.

[Piramidon]

Quote: NEXUS

On account of "as a stormtrooper is not good" is very controversial ... ... why does the Hunter need maneuverability if he only needs a ceiling safe from needles and stingers?

That's just then it is no longer an attack aircraft, but a bomber.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Piramidon

That's just then it is no longer an attack aircraft, but a bomber.

Then in Syria, the Rooks are used as bombers, since they do not always fly there at an altitude of half a kilometer above the battlefield.

[Piramidon]

Quote: NEXUS

Then in Syria, the Rooks are used as bombers, since they do not always fly there at an altitude of half a kilometer above the battlefield.

I agree. You can also use the microscope as a hammer. But the "Rook" can be used for its intended purpose, namely, as a pure attack aircraft to support troops over the battlefield. How will the Hunter UAV perform these functions? Indeed, as an attack aircraft, he is hardly suitable.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Piramidon

How will the Hunter UAV perform these functions?

I do not see any difficulties, for example, if they will control it from the ground. And by the way, helicopters also cope with the attack very successfully. In your understanding, the attack aircraft must hit targets on the ground so that shells fly around it, and it evades missiles, etc. ... with the evolution of optics, arsenal, guidance systems, it definitely needs to creep along the ground, if possible, that it will be hit ?
At the same time, it is not known what protection systems will be on it from, for example, MANPADS.

[mark1]

Quote: NEXUS

And what prevents us from circling the flock of Hunters over the battlefield, instead of two or three Rooks, I do not understand.

After all, they will shoot down the "Hunters" over the battlefield and they won't have time to cut three circles, and it's pretty expensive - for another they. I, too, and swarms of drones over the battlefield, but this is from another opera - not Hunting.

[NEXUS]

Quote: mark1

After all, they will shoot down the "Hunters" over the battlefield and they won't have time to cut three circles, and it's pretty expensive - for another they.

But the Rooks can’t shoot down? Despite the fact that a living person is sitting there. Or, excuse me, you can talk about it all from a distance, but ... if you personally put you in the Rook’s cabin and give you the task of flying over the battlefield, I think you would argue differently .

Quote: mark1

I, too, are swarms of drones over the battlefield, but this is from another opera - not Hunter's.

And I think, just from her own.

[mark1]

Quote: NEXUS

And I think, just from her own.

You have the right.

[Piramidon]

Quote: NEXUS

Can the Rooks bring down no?

The "Grach" has a pilot who quickly responds to changes in the situation on the battlefield. How will the UAV program react to this? He will stupidly "spin" according to the program, as you say, substituting himself for all sorts of "stingers"

[NEXUS]

Quote: Piramidon

The "Grach" has a pilot who quickly responds to changes in the situation on the battlefield. How will the UAV program react to this? He will stupidly "spin" according to the program, as you say, substituting himself for all sorts of "stingers"

That is, you do not consider the option of controlling from the ground at all ... But in stand-alone mode, it will perform the task or in the controlled from the ground, it will depend on the knowledge base.

[Piramidon]

Quote: NEXUS

And what prevents us from circling the flock of Hunters over the battlefield, instead of two or three Rooks, I do not understand.

With the complete absence of air defense means by the enemy, nothing prevents.

[yaros]

Quote: mark1

And how to quantify? The Su-27 is now about 350 in service, the MiG-29 is about 250 - we are waiting for an equal quantitative replacement

Where do these numbers come from ?, Wiki gives that now in the ranks of 150 of approximately each type .... Well, plus or minus a couple of dozen ...

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: yaros

Quote: mark1

And how to quantify? The Su-27 is now about 350 in service, the MiG-29 is about 250 - we are waiting for an equal quantitative replacement

Where do these numbers come from ?, Wiki gives that now in the ranks of 150 of approximately each type .... Well, plus or minus a couple of dozen ...

This is information from open sources.

Fighter aviation as of 2018 has at its disposal Su-35 aircraft in the amount of 71 aircraft, 130 Su-27 aircraft of various modifications, 105 Su-30 aircraft, 125 MiG-29 aircraft and 120 MiG-31 aircraft. Total about 550 aircraft.

Front-line aviation is represented by three aircraft, namely: Su-34 in the amount of 109 units, Su-24 110 units and Su-25 195 aircraft of various modifications. Total more than 400 combat units.

Long-range aviation also has three types of aircraft: the famous Tu-160 10 units and Tu-160M ​​6 units. Tu-22M3 in the amount of 60 units and Tu-95MS 50 units. A total of 126 combat aircraft.

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/survival_task/skolko-u-rossii-boevyh-samoletov-5b8fe67fc9e72b00a91d6661

[Nikolay Semirechensky]

According to Wikipedia, the MiG-29 is about 125 pieces, and the Su-27 in the region of 150 Su-27.
The quantitative composition of the Air Force sagged greatly, and the pace of rearmament is falling, alas.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Nikolai Semirechensky

According to Wikipedia, the MiG-29 is about 125 pieces, and the Su-27 in the region of 150 Su-27.
The quantitative composition of the Air Force sagged greatly, and the pace of rearmament is falling, alas.

At 36 combat vehicles per year, the pace of delivery. The pace is normal.

In total, according to known data, in 2018 the Russian Armed Forces received 50 new combat aircraft, of which 14 Su-30SM, 12 Su-34, 10 Su-35S and 14 combat training aircraft Yak-130. Six more Su-27SM3 aircraft were handed over to the aerospace forces after modernization.

As of January 1, 2019, the status of the implementation of contracts for the supply of Sukhoi aircraft to the Russian Aerospace Forces is as follows:

Su-34: Under several contracts with the Ministry of Defense since 2006, 128 serial Su-34 front-line bombers were ordered for the airborne forces, 120 of which were delivered.
Su-30SM: Under several contracts of the Ministry of Defense since 2012, 116 Su-30SM fighter jets for the airborne forces and naval aviation were ordered, 114 of them delivered.
Su-35S: Under two contracts with the Ministry of Defense since 2009, 98 Su-35S fighter jets were ordered for the Air Force, 78 of which were delivered.

https://aviation21.ru/aviaciya-rossii-itogi-2018-plany-na-2019/

[Nikolay Semirechensky]

If the pace of the withdrawal of old equipment exceeds the pace of introducing a new one, then these figures do not mean anything. We need more fighters, instead of atomic icebreakers, RTOs and, to be honest, all kinds of patriot parks.

[Sky strike fighter]

So the pilots are not enough for even more fighters.

[Nikolay Semirechensky]

Now it is slowly becoming clear that despite seemingly beautiful numbers, the situation with aviation was still awful, and it may have become even worse than it was.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

So the pilots are not enough for even more fighters.

That's it. And then here patriotic-minded comrades demand time

need more, 100/500 X 500 aircraft.
But they don’t remember that flying schools Serdyukov shredded

[Sergej1972]

What about atomic icebreakers?

[Nikolay Semirechensky]

And everything is simple - either, or. It will not come out to develop all directions at the same time, it is not affordable even for Americans with their exorbitant costs. Let me give you an example: Nazi Germany’s shipbuilding program demanded hundreds of thousands of tons of alloy steel and hundreds of millions of grades. If they hadn’t built absolutely useless battleships that died without any sense (Hood doesn’t count - for the British the loss of such a ship was less critical than for Germany), like the same Tirpitz, they would have had more money and steel tanks that were so necessary for them in 1941. Who knows, fortunately for us, maybe it cost them victory in that war.
We need to learn from the example of the enemy, because in our time it is aviation that will take the first blow, but what do we have now? 112 Su-30 and 70 Su-35?
Do not lay on nuclear weapons. As the practice of the Second World War showed, despite the war of extermination, neither we nor the Germans decided to use chemical weapons in commercial quantities.

[Voyager]

Quote: NEXUS

So why should Indians buy ours, given the fact that they have enough offers on the arms market? Yes, we really want big arms contracts in the Indian arms market, but ... the buyer decides for himself what is better for him. Or is it not so?

Not so, or you just perceived my message incorrectly. I’m not saying that Indians don’t have to sell anything, but betting today and hoping (which I’m talking about) that they will support us with orders is silly. Because practice shows that these dancers in the market go from shop to shop 10 times a day, each asking again:
"and yours is definitely better? but you're not lying? And then he says that he is better. And also cheaper by 5 kopecks. And don't tell me that you have already sold good things, you never know what you will try to slip me now."

In other words, the client of them is unreliable and very moody. Today they have one thing, tomorrow another. Yes, it’s great that they ordered tanks and Su-30s at one time, but that’s in the past. Today they are trying to sit on two chairs in the most vile way, forgetting about the notorious strategic partnership. Imagine if the PAK FA was really developed with them and depended on their funding?

[Herman 4223]

I always thought that the hunter is some kind of su34 substitute. The machine is not small, it looks bigger in the photographs next to the dryer.

[Alexey-74]

I absolutely agree that soon the Su-27 and MiG-29 will be written off, the latest technology (Su-57, Su-35, Su-30 Sm and MiG-35) will gradually replace the aircraft fleet, plus UAVs for various purposes from reconnaissance to strike, and " Rooks "in the future will be replaced by shock drones unambiguously

[kapitan92]

MiG-35 planes are planned to be certified before the end of the 2021 year.

But when exactly in New Delhi they will inform about their final decision in terms of acquiring aircraft, it is not known.

The author of the article answers his own question! Hindus are complex and unpredictable trading partners, but they are not headless.

[andrewkor]

Turks and Hindus, I believe, simply have nowhere to go on the latest aircraft. Their own developments, although they are underway, when they are still there.
On the other hand, the 6th (?) Generation is already actively engaged in the world.
What nobody knows yet! Ha ha ha ha!

[Monar]

In total, the Russian Defense Ministry plans to purchase 76 Su-57 fighters.

Modest IMHO. Few. For the Russian Federation.

[Voyager]

This is more than originally planned for the first contract. Moreover, this is one of the largest (if not the most) fighter aircraft contracts in the history of the Russian Federation.

I personally was very happy to learn about 76.

[Monar]

I know. Understand. But for Russia at least 200 is needed.
But I repeat. In my humble IMHO.

[Voyager]

Let's hope this is not the last contract.

[Incvizitor]

Few. For the Russian Federation.

If there is still a lot of su 37 and a moment of 35, then I think it's normal for a start, MiG 31 is also about 200, su 27 more than 100, also more than 100 su 30.

[Tuzik]

"In total, the Russian Ministry of Defense plans to purchase 76 Su-57 fighters"

Will it buy the MiG-35 MO or will it be prepared for export alone?

[Sky strike fighter]

Sergey Dronov noted that the MiG-35 fighters are significantly more economical than those in service with the Su-30SM and Su-35S. According to the Air Force commander, the cost of a MiG-35 flight hour is about one and a half times lower than the cost of a flight hour at the mentioned Sushki.

The Mig-35 is very suitable for the role of a universal workhorse with a decent radius of 1000 km. I think we need such a machine ourselves. But I don’t understand why they will be experiencing another 2 years. Found some flaws in the car?

[Tuzik]

It is possible the Indians twisted in their hands and asked for something to improve, with the promise to buy, like the T-90 at the time.

[Sky strike fighter]

But what did the Indians fly on the new MiG-35? He has not yet passed the state test. Most likely, they will refine it to the requirements of our pilots. Most likely the airborne radar.

[Monar]

But I don’t understand why they will experience another 2 years.

And what do you think? It was 50 or 100 years ago that an airplane did in a couple of months. And now, long ago, that's all. For years, only trials.

[donavi49]

Tarasenko promised in the 19 year to close the GOS on MiG, just recently (November 2018) and then immediately + 2 of the year.

"Everything is going according to the schedule, in terms of production ... we are already ahead of this schedule. In terms of carrying out the final tests, we expect that in 2019 we will complete everything according to plan, all the necessary tests," said Tarasenko ...

Or MO requires AFAR and a normal board, and not easy restyling? And therefore + 2 of the year?

[Monar]

And can you name samples of equipment that got up on time in time?

[donavi49]

Well - that's how the MiG-35 moves regularly. Already for 6 years, without taking into account the first Indian campaign, both shifted to the right.

There the situation is such that, in principle, the board is ready in its current form. Tarasenko before, repeatedly said that the tests are going well. And here is the last time in the fall of 2018 - we expect that in the 2019 year we will complete everything according to plan, all the necessary tests.

And then immediately + 2 years. This or the cant got out hard or reformatted face.

[Monar]

Tarasenko before, repeatedly said that the tests are going well.

So what? Yes, no, and there will be no quick deadlines now. What we have, what amers have. They will only be tested for years. The farther, the more. These are realities. So modern planes do.

[Kasym]

Upgraded engines and wing with enlarged. area and 5 suspension points - so far this is not visible. It’s not clear what the radar stands for.

[donavi49]

The engine and wing are new from the new boat, as well as the M / M2. If that the MiG-35D and one of the final prototypes of the MiG-35 are Syrian M / M2's main aircraft under a torn contract. They not only flew into the air as the Syrian, but also lost their validity, and then 2-2,5 of the month in the hangar yearned for the Syrian while the contract went from suspended to torn by agreement of the parties.

[Kasym]

Unfortunately, there is no new wing on which there should be 5 suspension points - look at the photos of the presented MiG-35. The engine upgraded with a large resource is also not yet in the series - this can be seen in the black exhaust. This was written by pilots on the site. That's why 2 years are needed - we still have to test them. So far, the sides come from old backlogs. I think that there is no promised composite yet.

[Ros 56]

It is necessary to speed up, stop pulling the rubber and not only on airplanes.

[Chaldon48]

Hindus, they want to buy only verified goods. Even assembling malomalski sophisticated equipment to establish, for example, tanks.

[Monar]

Is a tank of Malomai complex technology? Well, believe on.

[Sergei 777]

Well, now we are waiting for the contract for the MiG 35.

[Sky strike fighter]

It is strange that the contract already has the first 2 sides accepted, by the end of the year 4 more aircraft will be received by the VKS, and state tests will go on for another 2 years. Probably in the process the machine will be modified and improved at the request of the VKS pilots. As with the Su-35S in your time.

[Monar]

But this is normal. Let the testers torture better.

[Kasym]

Maxim, the MiG-35 should have improved engines and a new wing (4 square meters more and 5 points of suspension on each wing, now there are 4 - this says that there is no new wing yet). It is believed that the wing will be "black" (made of composite). Well, AFAR is required. All this takes time, as well as time to test these innovations.

[Dzafdet]

It will not be enough, not enough ... More of them need to be done. Ten times more ...

[weddu]

Indians MIG-35 will buy. In the future, the Indians, when the Russian Aerospace Forces "get enough" of the SU-57, will also buy them, for sure. SU-35? The Indians prefer two-seater planes, they would better pump the SU-30MKI to the SU-35 ... They also want the SU-57, but a two-seater, but this is still a secret ..))