The collapse of Kolchak's strategic hopes, or the Final of the Peter and Paul Operation

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In the Peter and Paul operation, a fracture occurred (see “Peter and Paul Operation 1919 of the year. Fracture).


Red machine gunners, Siberia, 1919




The gradual retreat of the enemy by the end of the month turns into a hasty retreat on the whole front - in order to timely withdraw troops beyond the r. Ishim.

The Volga and Ufa enemy groups operating in the railway lane and threatened bypass traffic, began to withdraw, hiding behind rearguards, mainly from horse units. To counter a round, an adversary noticed a tendency to lengthen his left flank.

Success development


The command-5 two directives from 25 - 26 October gave the army instructions on the decisive development of success.

And the period of military operations of the army from 25 to 29 of October was a continuation of the pursuit of the enemy - more energetic on the right flank and relatively slow in the center, in the railway strip and to the north.

The 35-I division moved in three directions, advancing with the main forces on Nadezhdinsky and Petropavlovsk, and its barrier from the right flank advanced to the area of ​​Nikolayevsky - Petrovsky.

By the 28th, the 2th brigade, successfully continuing the offensive, in the morning of the 27th took the 312th regiment of Mikhailovsky, seizing 400 prisoners and 5 machine guns. Leaving the barrier here, the regiment launched an offensive on Art. Stanovaya and Lake Mal Aryk. The 311th regiment, advancing from Dubrovny, fought a stubborn battle with the enemy that had dug in the 6 km east of Dubrovny, but, together with the 310 regiment, knocked it out and occupied Art. I’m dead. The 1-I brigade by the same time advanced to 12 km east of the village of Grishinsky.

Developing a further offensive, the division by the 29 went to the Bogolyubovo region - st. Voznesenskaya - Art. Arkhangelskaya and by rail east of the station. Mamlyutki. The enemy with 2 armored trains quickly moved to the mountains. Petropavlovsk.

On the site of the 5th division, units of the 1th brigade developed an offensive on the village. Pea and Art. Petukhovo (the last after a short battle, was taken by units of the 37-th regiment in the morning of the 27-th). Here were captured 1000000 pounds of wheat, 1000 pounds of flour, a lot of salted meat and fish, ten carts with shells and 66 prisoners.

By the 29-th day, the 3-th brigade reached the area of ​​the capture of Marushino and continued to move to the village. Novogradskaya, 1-I brigade, having occupied with. Belovskoy, was put forward on the Kalugino-Zhagrin line.

The units of the 26 Division, continuing to advance towards the railway in a northeastern direction, were intended to push the enemy north of this road, depriving him of the main and convenient operational direction for withdrawing troops from the situation that had developed by now in the theater of operations.

So, the 2-th brigade to the 26-m occupied the village of Serebryanaya - Peganova and, continuing further movement along the front through the village of Slivinskaya - station. Makushino in the northeast direction, together with units of the 1th brigade of the 5th division, occupied Art. Petukhovo (her left flank went to the area of ​​the village of Berezovskaya by the same time). 3-I brigade, advancing from the area d.d. Trebushnaya - Zaboshnaya in the direction of the Brotherhood - Chebachya, by the 27, she entered the line Karavankin - Monastery.

26-I division was moving: 1-th brigade through the village of Martin and p.p. Rich and Kladbinsky, the 3th Brigade - d. B. Priyutnoye - the settlement of Senzharsky and the 2th - through the settlement of Mikhailovsky. By October 29, the brigades were in the area: 1 I - p.p. Novorybinsky - Kladbinsky, 3-I - settlement Senzharsky and 2-I - settlement Mikhailovsky.

The 27th Division, continuing its advance north of the Siberian Railway and not encountering serious resistance from the enemy, successfully and quickly advanced forward and by the 29th October came out: the 3th Brigade (right flank) - to the area of ​​the Studenoye settlement - Peschanaya village, 2-th brigade - oz. M. Aktaban - d. Karasya and 1-th - d.d. Butyrino - Often.

The cavalry division, tasked with raiding the station. Tokushi (35 km east of the city of Petropavlovsk) and thereby facilitate the army crossing the river. Ishim approached the village of Novo-Nikolaevsky by the 29. But the enemy, taking advantageous positions on the right bank of the river. Ishim, with strong fire, forced the cavalry division to withdraw to 5 km west of the village. Novo-Nikolaevsky. The actions of this cavalry division are striking in their lethargy. Two nachdivas one after another were removed from office - for lack of energy.

The 54-I division to the 29-th was in movement from the village of Troitsky in a southeast direction.

29-th October, the commander gave the army a directive to force the river. Ishim.


Front to October 29 - before forcing the river. Ishim.


The following tasks were assigned to the divisions: 54 — by November 1 — to occupy the area of ​​Nikolayevsky –– Lake. Karatomar - item Peter and Paul;
2-th Serf Brigade is transferred to the subordination of the beginner-54;
26-th division to the 1-th November - go to ur. Chubars — ur. Kara-Tashkan - Salotopen;
The cavalry division remained the same task - that is, continued development of the raid on the Tokushi station;
35-th division - occupy the area of ​​ur. Tolmach - c. Flat - Lake B. Dzhanbovo;
5-th Division - by the 1-th November to go main forces on the line M. White - Lake. Wide - d. Gorbunova-Sivkova;
27-th division to concentrate in the area in. Bishkul - Petropavlovsk.

In implementing this directive, the energetic actions of the 1th brigade of the 35th division should be especially noted.

The capture of Petropavlovsk and the capture of the border p. Ishim


The 308 regiment of the 29 October dashingly and unexpectedly attacked for about 21 hours and captured a mined and already set on fire bridge across the river. Ishim near the city of Petropavlovsk. After that, crossing the river over the bridge under heavy artillery fire, broke into the city of Petropavlovsk and, as a result of an 4-hour battle, took possession of it, capturing 1000 prisoners, 6 machine guns and a convoy with various military equipment.

309 Regiment, crossing the river. Ishim, following the 308 regiment, entered the southern outskirts of the city and captured up to 500 prisoners, 2 light guns, with crews and charging cases, 4 machine guns, a lot of uniforms and shoes.

The 307th regiment, crossing over Ishim, occupied the northern outskirts of the city.

Around 19 hours of the 30 October, the enemy with large forces, with the support of two armored trains, began to move into counterattacks. Under their pressure, the 307th regiment was forced to retreat to the crossing, but the enemy was defeated by a second counterattack and retreated eastward, leaving one serviceable gun and convoy.

By the 12 hours of the 31 October, the brigade occupied the southeast outskirts of Petropavlovsk, the 309 m — east and the 308 m — north.

At the same time, the 2th Brigade of the 35th Division developed its actions as follows. 312 Regiment, going up to the line p. Ishim, about 18 hours, on the 30 of October, under heavy artillery fire crossed the river in the area of ​​the village of Bogolyubov - the village of Nadezhdinsky. 311th regiment, concentrating by the same time in the area of ​​Art. Ascension, crossed the river. Ishim and took a position on the right bank. 310 Regiment, having captured Art. Arkhangelsk, where up to 200 prisoners were captured, crossed the railway bridge and joined the units of the 1-th brigade in Petropavlovsk. Here the regiment took up a position on the southern outskirts of the city.

On October 31, the enemy, concentrating large forces with a large amount of artillery on sections of the 312 and 311 regiments, forced these regiments to withdraw from the right bank — to their original position.

Forced to withdraw beyond the river. Ishim of the brigade regrouped in the morning of October 31 and occupied the area of ​​Art. Voznesenskaya - Novo-Kamensky and 312-m - st. Arkhangelsk.

In the morning of November 1, the 312th regiment of the 2th brigade, under cover of artillery fire, crossed Ishim in the area of ​​Bogolyubov and continued its further offensive together with the 311th and 2th Kazan regiments at ur. Markaby.

The 310 regiment, which was supposed to assist other parts of the brigade when crossing Ishim, launched an offensive on the night of 1 from the southern outskirts of Petropavlovsk to the c. Bishkul - and with an unexpected attack captured up to 300 prisoners, 6 guns, 3 machine guns and convoys. But the enemy counterattack forced the regiment to withdraw to its original position. By the evening of the same day, the regiment again launched an offensive, trying to restore the situation.

Such a quick accomplishment by parts of the 35 Division of the task of mastering the border of the r. Ishim favorably affected the general course of the army operation.

The units operating north of the 35-th division of the 5-th division of the 30-31 of October approached the line p. Ishim, moreover, on the 30 number, the 1 I brigade occupied the village of Presnovka (where 175 prisoners were captured). At dawn, the 39th regiment spoke on the village of Vagulin and by the 8 clock reached the village. Sokolovskaya.


Kolchakov machine gunners, 1919 g.


When approaching the village, the regiment found the 4th Ufa division of the enemy, which had not yet had time to cross to the eastern bank of the river. Losing no time, the regiment famously attacked the remaining enemy units on its shore, which, unable to withstand the attack, rushed to the crossings. And on their shoulders the 39 regiment crossed, seizing up to 240 prisoners, 4 machine guns and other property. By 10 hours was occupied by D. Vagulin.

Two other regiments of the brigade were occupied by d. Glubokaya - Nalobino - Gaidukovo - Sivkovo - Vinogradovo. The cavalry division, which had the task of capturing Art. Tokushi, this is not fulfilled - because the enemy, settling in convenient positions on the right bank of the river. Ishim, against the area of ​​Novo-Nikolsky, kept him under continuous artillery fire.

During 30 - 31 October, the division occupied the area west of Novo-Nikolsky, where it entered only on the 1 of November.

The 26-I division, continuing to advance to the Novo-Yavlenny area, on the morning of the 31-th October, after a stubborn battle, occupied the 3-th brigade and, having restored the bridge destroyed by the enemy, crossed the river and launched an offensive in the area of ​​ur. Chubars - ur. Kara-Tyshkan. 2-I brigade entered the village of Novo-Nikolsky and in the evening began crossing the Ishim.

The enemy prevented the crossing by fire, but the brigade, despite the fire, successfully completed it and launched a further offensive. The 1-I brigade, making up the divisional reserve, concentrated in Novo-Nikolsky.

The 54-I division, which is part of two brigades (2-th main and 2-th Fortress, attached division), concentrated in the morning of the 31-th: the first - in the area of ​​the village of Nikolaevsky and the second - the village of Ilyinsky - the village of Petrovsky, having the task in the morning of 1 to begin the crossing.

The units of the 27th division arrived by the 1th of November: the 3 brigade - in the city and the 2-I - settlement Krivoozerny; 1-I brigade remained in the area of ​​Art. Mamlyutka.

Thus, it can be seen that in the main operational area, in the Siberian Railway lane, the 5 Army performed its mission. The obstacle was overcome. At the turn of the river. The Ishim of the 5 Army, by its maneuver, again won the flank of the enemy and posed a serious threat to its messages. The enemy could not stay - and was thrown to the east. His attempts to return the strategically important point - the crossing to the city of Petropavlovsk - were unsuccessful and cost quite large losses.

Final and operation results


To ensure the success achieved by the 5 Army, an order was given to push the army forward.

The 54th Division followed, firmly securing the road going south in the vicinity of the settlement N.-Pokrovsky - sop. Dzhaman-Dzhangiz-tau, the main forces of the 4 of November go to the area of ​​the settlement of Sasykulsky - peak. Jamantuz - Lake Jamanthus. The agents' data (rather dubious) indicated Dutov’s intention to form a detachment of 20000 people to strike the right flank of the 5 Army.

As a result, the commander instructed the 54 Division to cover the area of ​​Aryk-Balykhskaya, Kokchetav, in order to find out the enemy’s forces and their grouping. For this, separate reconnaissance detachments were formed from infantry - and each of them was given the appropriate directions. For the speed of this task, the movement of units was carried out on carts.

26-th division should by the same time to go to the lake. Chagly (Teniz) - M. Barlabay - p. Poltava; cavdivisia - to fulfill the previous task, with the aim of further advancing in the direction of the village of Bolshe-Peschanskoe; 35-th division - go to the area p.p. M. Chulak - Sergievsky - Lake Bashkir; 27-th Division - on 2-th November change 35-th division on the line of the lake. Glinnoe - Lake M. Fish - Lake B. White and by the 4 of November to occupy the area of ​​Art. Afternoon - d. Bugrovaya; 5-th division - occupy the area of ​​Lake. Great Shelegino - Bushes Pictina - Usovo - Belyaevo.

Subsequent events in the main operational area along the Siberian Railway had the character of pursuit with constant coverage of the enemy's left flank. The enemy, pursued by the 5 Army, initially resisted, but subsequently began to retreat east to Omsk and south to Kokchetav.


Front of the 5 Army to the 4 of November 1919


In connection with the general advance of the 5 Army to the east, on the 25 October, the commander gave instructions to the Troitsky fortified area - by clicking on the enemy in the area of ​​Semiozerny, to throw him south-east of the river. Ashe Bui. The red parts of the 25 of October occupied the settlement of Semiozerny (95 km southeast of the city of Kustanai) and began to pursue in a southerly direction. The enemy, as part of the 35 th reserve and plastun regiments, with 1000 sabers, 20 machine guns and 2 guns, retreated through the Abagan ford towards Kara-Suli.

Thus, the Peter and Paul operation ended with the 5 Army entering the area lying on 40 - 45 km east and southeast of the r. Ishim. This ensured the possession of the named river strip and acquired freedom of maneuvering.

The army, having met after crossing the river. Tobol resistance of the enemy, energetic and decisive action defeated him and forced him to retreat. At first it was slow, and then turned into a general hasty withdrawal of the enemy along the entire front line.

The best confirmation of the productivity of the operations of the 5 Army is the intercepted order to the troops of the Ural Group from October 19 No. 205. It says the following: “In recent days, the enemy, using night time, has been trying to strike us, sending small, but apparently quite strong units for this purpose. The actions of these units are directly magnificent: art and courage are fully visible here. With a feeling of bitterness at the same time, I should note that the actions of these units are almost always crowned with success. ”

Noteworthy is the speed of advance of the 5 Army, which overcame the 250 km with stubborn oncoming fights and with the forcing of two large rivers - Tobol and Ishim - within two weeks.

All formations of the 5 Army (except for the 54 Army and Cavalry Divisions) showed their worth.

Thus, after an operative pause of 2 - 14 on October, regrouping and replenishing forces, the Eastern Front (67 thousand bayonets and sabers against 61 thousand among whites) launched a new offensive - and in early November went to the border of the river. Ishim.

As a result, having lost up to 50% of the composition and leaving a significant part of the territory of Western Siberia, the white troops retreated to Omsk. The Soviet troops completely deprived A.V. Kolchak of hope for the return of the lost strategic initiative and the opportunity to help the armies of the All-Ukrainian Union of Lenin A. Denikin.

The operation took place on more than 400-km front (on 250 - 280 km in depth). She was distinguished by highly maneuverable actions in difficult conditions of a rapidly changing operational-tactical situation. The Soviet troops skillfully used decisive forms of maneuver in the offensive, and in the defense relied on advantageous natural boundaries, delivering counterattacks.
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  1. +5
    27 August 2019 05: 47
    Thanks for the article, the interesting photo, the "maxim" in the anti-aircraft version on the wheel, apparently the "red" aviation was active.
    1. -1
      27 August 2019 06: 08
      apparently the aviation of the "red" was active.

      In this regard, their situation was also not bad.
      1. +3
        27 August 2019 06: 18
        the legendary "white sun of the desert" reminded ... blessed memory of the director Vladimir Motyl, I watched the film 100 times, and I will still be alive.
        1. 0
          27 August 2019 06: 25
          I agree, the film turned out great, which can be watched with great interest. And with each new viewing, you get even more positive from the film.
          1. +1
            27 August 2019 06: 27
            Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
            I agree, the film turned out great, which can be watched with great interest. And with each new viewing, you get even more positive from the film.

            "we are unlucky in death - lucky in love!" drinks
            1. 0
              27 August 2019 06: 31
              Quote: Aerodrome
              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              I agree, the film turned out great, which can be watched with great interest. And with each new viewing, you get even more positive from the film.

              "we are unlucky in death - lucky in love!" drinks

              That’s why then drinks
              1. +1
                27 August 2019 06: 35
                Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                Quote: Aerodrome
                Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                I agree, the film turned out great, which can be watched with great interest. And with each new viewing, you get even more positive from the film.

                "we are unlucky in death - lucky in love!" drinks

                That’s why then drinks

                I agree, after a night shift, you can, a little .. drinks
            2. +1
              27 August 2019 14: 32
              Quote: Aerodrome
              "we are unlucky in death - lucky in love!"

              Winged words.
        2. +1
          27 August 2019 08: 37
          Quote: Aerodrome
          the legendary "white sun of the desert" reminded ... blessed memory of the director Vladimir Motyl, I watched the film 100 times, and I will still be alive.

          The second line of meaning of this film in "White Noise of the Desert":
          https://my.mail.ru/mail/bit-04/video/_myvideo/83.html
          I think that for all lovers of this masterpiece, this film will open from a new perspective and will amaze with its depth and pithiness. Enjoy watching.
        3. +2
          27 August 2019 08: 58
          the legendary "white sun of the desert"
          hi most likely thanks to this film, the Lewis machine gun gained more popularity, because the same Colt Browning (present in both photos), by 1917 became the second largest machine gun in the Russian army after the Maxim, and associations with it in Russia there is no. winked
    2. -3
      27 August 2019 13: 17
      The local population would know what awaits them ...
    3. +1
      27 August 2019 14: 31
      You look at this photo, what a mishmash of weapons, calibers, how they figured out where they took it.
      French, American machine guns to each his own cartridge. The first photo is an American machine gun in the left corner with some strange gun. Very similar to the Galan revolver. He has a monstrous gauge of 4,5 lines, i.e. 12 mm.
  2. +6
    27 August 2019 08: 05
    In the Urals and Siberia, Guards became a battle for river borders. Ishim, Tobol. Who could not resist, write is gone
  3. +2
    27 August 2019 08: 29
    Quote: O. Aleksey
    The Soviet troops skillfully used decisive forms of maneuver in the offensive, and in the defense relied on advantageous natural boundaries, delivering counterattacks.

    All thanks to the GRU of the General Staff of the tsarist army, which supported the revolution and kept Russia from destruction.
  4. +3
    27 August 2019 08: 34
    Dear Alexey hi do not accept for insult, but it is possible in the period described by you, for a place
    Soviet troops finally deprived A.V. Kolchak

    Soviet troops skillfully offensive

    is it more appropriate to use the Red Army or the Red Army?
    1. +2
      27 August 2019 09: 29
      May I ask you, if you will.
      What, during this period, the Red Army were not Soviet troops, or do you think they became them later?
      Are you familiar with the Constitution of the RSFSR of 1918? What do you think Soviet means?
      1. 0
        27 August 2019 09: 47
        Hunghuz
        ,,,good afternoon hi
        ,,, how many people, probably so many opinions what My civilian associates with the Red Army, the Second World War and after with the SA. Yes
        The main military formation of the USSR was officially named the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army, the decree on the creation of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army, 15 (28) on January 1918:
        1. +2
          27 August 2019 10: 46
          So she was the Red Army and in 41 years. Or, too, the troops are not Soviet?
          There is nothing to do with opinions, you just need to call a spade a spade.
          The 1918 Constitution consolidated Soviet power. Under the dominance of the legislative bodies - the Soviets of Workers' Deputies at different levels.
          Accordingly, the troops of this state are Soviet. Starting from 1918 year. Both legally and physically
          1. +2
            27 August 2019 10: 47
            Actually
          2. 0
            27 August 2019 11: 00
            So she was the Red Army in the 41 year.
            ,, yes, until 1946, but my associations are request
            Accordingly, the troops of this state are Soviet. Starting from 1918 year. Both legally and physically
            ,,, well, soviet.
          3. -3
            28 August 2019 09: 00
            Hunghouse (Michael Kutuzoff)
            So she was the Red Army and in 41 years. Or, too, the troops are not Soviet?
            There is nothing to do with opinions, you just need to call a spade a spade.

            In the first sentence you acknowledge that the army was called the Red Army. That is, it has its name. And then call the Soviet troops. Which historically appeared a little later. And in the second phrase, call to call things by their proper names.
            You contradict yourself .. But you continue to teach with a "clever" look. Enchanting.
            1. +2
              28 August 2019 17: 08
              In the first sentence you acknowledge that the army was called the Red Army. That is, it has its name. And then call the Soviet troops.

              Why drive the blizzard ???
              And the Red Army and Soviet troops. This and that occurs.
              Which historically appeared somewhat later. And in the second phrase you urge to call things by their OWN names. You contradict yourself .. But you continue to teach with a "clever" look. Enchanting. Reply

              It’s you enchantingly chasing Dudnik (Vlad Dudnik).
              They explained to you popularly how the Soviet state appeared - its troops became Soviet. And their component was the Red Army.
              Or what, indeed, in 41, our troops are not called Soviet? Do not tell the audience)
              Which historically appeared a little later.

              Study at least the literature of those years where in events, for example, devoted to the Soviet-Polish war of 1920, POLISH and SOVIET troops are called. Or open the encyclopedia.
              For example, Ogarkova. This is from there. T. 3. 466. About the Zlatoust operation. What year was it - in 46 or 19th?)

              So what year is it?
              It is clear that the troops of the Soviet state are Soviet, which is clear to all adequate people.
              So do not show your stupidity Dudnik (Vlad Dudnik), this is not even funny
              1. 0
                28 August 2019 17: 44
                Albatroz, a man under the name Dudnik is a cunning experienced provocateur. I explain.
                He deliberately mixes concepts. Soviet army (from 46 years old) and Soviet troops (from 18 years old).
                I will draw parallels.
                So, in Germany at certain historical stages, the armed forces were called the Reichswehr and the Wehrmacht.
                But the troops are GERMAN.
                In our country, the armed forces of the RSFSR and the USSR were named in 1918 - 1946. RKKA and in 1946 - 1991 CA (Soviet army).
                But the troops are both SOVIET here and there.
                So, not otherwise
                1. -1
                  29 August 2019 04: 44
                  ... a man under the name Dudnik is a cunning experienced provocateur ..

                  I can not compare with you in this craft.
                  It is understandable why such a nickname. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunhuza
              2. -2
                29 August 2019 04: 31

                So what year is it?

                The text of what year, eh?
                Two and Ogarkov, who at that time walked under the table, and to the editor who signed such a text.
                In those years you will not find the name Soviet troops in official texts.
                I will answer you with your own phrase:
                There is nothing to do with opinions, you just need to call a spade a spade.
                That is, Ogarkov’s opinion has nothing to do with it, you just need to call a spade a spade. And then the name of the armed forces is the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army.
                Call a spade a spade.
                To call a spade a spade it means to call it as it was called at that historical time, and not as you wanted, thought it out, imagined, imagined, etc. etc.
                http://www.hist.msu.ru/ER/Etext/DEKRET/rkka.htm
                1. +1
                  29 August 2019 05: 26
                  Ogarkov, Marshal deuce))
                  And to some Dudnik means five))
                  okay, on your conscience)
                  But, I repeat, do not confuse and do not confuse the concepts of the armed forces (Red Army and SA) and collective - the troops (Soviet). The troops of the Soviet state are naturally Soviet. And by the way, troops are not only the Red Army, but also, for example, the NKVD troops. They also imagine the Soviet))
                  In those years you will not find the name Soviet troops in official texts.

                  Even as I find and find. Learn descriptions or RAM for example the era of the Soviet-Polish war
                  1. 0
                    29 August 2019 05: 30
                    But again, do not make laugh and do not mix concepts ....

                    No, do not attribute your sins to me.
                    Even as I find and find.

                    Well, present and finish the case.
                    Learn ....

                    No need to become a teacher’s pose. You are not suitable.
                    1. +1
                      29 August 2019 05: 32
                      This is you in the position of a teacher. Examine the Marshal)) Kindergarten))
                      It just turns out that only I present.
                      Maybe for a change you reinforce your empty chatter with something?
                      Meanwhile, I will open materials on the Soviet-Polish war.
                      I look forward to it))
                      1. 0
                        29 August 2019 05: 38
                        It just turns out that only I present.

                        So far, only words. And not very convincing.
                        Maybe for a change you reinforce your empty chatter with something?

                        I am not proud. I repeat for the blind.
                        Here is an official document for you. Where is the official name of the armed forces of the time. http://www.hist.msu.ru/ER/Etext/DEKRET/rkka.htm
                        It’s you in a teacher’s position. Examine the Marshal))

                        This marshal was born in 1917. And he walked under the table when the army was called Red. Apparently the marshal can interpret the story as he wants? Marshal did not study the rights and obligations. Obviously you know this better.
                      2. +1
                        29 August 2019 05: 42
                        Yes, you look above. How many texts or informative remarks have I brought.
                        this is for you personal opinion has long been a source))
                        Where is the official name of the armed forces of the time.

                        exactly. You mix the official name of the aircraft and the collective concept of troops. What I was talking about. And even unable to understand this.
                        Well, in order to drive the cart to the Marshal and those specialists who in the encyclopedia under his editorship (and such - ALL) - swim a little shallow))
                        Do not find?))
                      3. 0
                        29 August 2019 05: 47
                        Well, in order to drive the cart to the Marshal ....

                        All your evidence is hiding behind the marshal's back.
                        No one belittles Ogarkov's merits as a military leader. But where did you get the idea that it can be referenced in history polls? Moreover, stories in which he did not take part.
                      4. +1
                        29 August 2019 05: 56
                        I have provided evidence. And I refer to the articles of authoritative persons published under his editorship.
                        And you - generally brought zero. You mix categories.
                        In addition to not knowing the specifics of state law
                        For now, you’ll study the source you love so much — Wikipedia about 1920 (the Soviet-Polish war, where the troops are also Polish and Soviet), and how I get free I will find materials — contemporaries of this war, where the troops of the RSFSR are also naturally called Soviet.
                        To once again wipe your sneakers))
                      5. +1
                        29 August 2019 13: 38
                        I keep this promise. Here is one of the works of the 20s. Offhand, but a classic of the genre.

                        What a solid neck - you see perfectly.
                        Here it is from there

                        What is the 12th army? SOVIET

                        What strength? SOVIET.
                        So the question is settled.
                        I, in turn, have questions for you Dudnik:
                        1) Does the concept of "Soviet troops" include any other troops besides the Red Army, or is it the same for you and you don’t know other Soviet troops except the Red Army?
                        2) And what else should be the troops of Soviet Russia if not Soviet?
  5. +3
    27 August 2019 08: 37
    He was a good man, but no luck.
  6. -6
    27 August 2019 09: 43
    Petropavlovsk, d. Petukhovo, Mikhailovsky, Glubokaya, Sivkovo and others: under A.V. Kolchak was RUSSIA.

    Under the Bolsheviks, it all became ...Kazakhstanfrom which the Russians are squeezed out.

    But today's Bolsheviks from Russia .... rejoice belay fool their "victories" 100 years ago, which led to the transformation of part of Russia into non-Russia.

    Cities Verny, Akmolinsk, Guryev, Semipalatinsk and so forth, founded and built by Russian people - WHERE are they ?! A-no them, disappeared into history .....

    He left the hut, went to fight,
    To русские land ...to Kazakhstan give ....
    . belay request
    1. 0
      27 August 2019 19: 20
      Quote: Olgovich
      He left the hut, went to fight,
      So that the Russian lands ... to give to Kazakhstan.


      Firstly, why distort beautiful verses (and a song) by Mikhail Svetlov, he just wrote correctly;

      “I left the hut,
      I went to fight
      To land in Grenada
      To give to the peasants. ”

      Secondly, during the times of the USSR, for example, I was repeatedly in the North of the country, and in the Baltic, and in the South, in the Caucasus, in the Far East and everywhere, I felt like a master, and my soul sang;

      “From Moscow to the outskirts,
      From the southern mountains to the northern seas
      Man passes as master
      His immense homeland. "

      At that time, it didn’t matter who owned this or that city, this or that territory, everyone was comfortable everywhere. And the lands were not attached for the destruction of Russia, but in order to facilitate the administrative management and supply of a particular area.

      And only when during the perestroika, as a result of the rejection of socialism, the neo-bourgeoisie arose and private property again appeared that required protection of sales markets, the division into "principalities" began - they destroyed the USSR and established borders and customs. And for the Soviet people to swallow it, they played a nationalist card.

      It will be possible to eliminate all these obstacles and disagreements only today when Soviet power is revived in the former Soviet republics of the destroyed USSR and they unite in a new Union, then all borders will be gone and it will no matter who owns any territory again. It will be all ours.
      1. +1
        28 August 2019 08: 59
        Quote: Alexander Green
        Firstly, why distort beautiful verses (and a song) by Mikhail Svetlov, he just wrote correctly;

        It was I who wrote correctly: the Reds fought for the Russian (Petropavlovsk, Semipalatinsk, etc.) lands to become Kazakh. It is a fact
        Quote: Alexander Green
        At that time, it didn’t matter who owned this or that city, this or that territory, everyone was comfortable everywhere.

        If it makes no difference why didn't they leave them in ... Russia? About "comfortable" - you would be told by the Russians in the Russian Odessa of the 1920s, who were forcibly forced to teach and write in non-language
        Quote: Alexander Green
        And the lands were attached not for the destruction of Russia, but with the aim of facilitate administrative management and the supply of a particular area.

        Do not talk, but give this justification (official) in education NATIONAL STATES-Republic. Not for destruction? You look at the current borders of Russia in the 17th century, they are drawn exactly when "no difference" -from 1918 to 1940. "Coincidence", yes ..
        Quote: Alexander Green
        division into "principalities" began - they destroyed the USSR and established borders and customs

        Did you go to school? Division began in 1917 to 1940: see the formation of states on the body of Russia, the so-called. Ukraine, Kazakh rep. and so forth
        Quote: Alexander Green
        And for the Soviet people to swallow it, they played a nationalist card.

        ALL Nazis of the national republics of Yarosh, powders, tyagniboki, etc. -educated CPPS in owls.
        Quote: Alexander Green
        It will be possible to eliminate all these obstacles and disagreements today only when the USSR was destroyed in the former Soviet republics. Soviet power will be reborn, and they will unite in a new Union, then all borders will leave and again it will not matter who owns any territory. It will be all ours.

        The power and BORN all these borders and republics, brought up and created nationalist intelligentsia and elites: when they fully matured and took shape under your sensitive guardianship, then for themselves they destroyed the country: see the history of the USSR. You sowed the teeth of a dragon in 1917-40. In 1991, there was a crop.

        PS Answer directly so that it is clear to everyone who you are: Crimea is Russia or Ukraine?
        1. -2
          28 August 2019 20: 34
          Quote: Olgovich
          PS Answer directly so that it is clear to everyone who you are: Crimea is Russia or Ukraine?


          Sorry, I will not answer all your nonsense, I will answer only the last question:
          "Whose Crimea?"
          For the Communists, this does not matter. This is important only for the bourgeoisie of Russia and Ukraine; for it today it is an apple of discord.
          Crimea is now part of Russia, but Ukraine does not recognize this and it will be a hotbed of tension for a long time, and it is not yet known what all this will result in.
          This problem will go away as soon as all the former republics restore Soviet power and the Soviet Union.
  7. +1
    27 August 2019 13: 58
    In the first photo, the peasant on the far left has an interesting revolver. It can be seen not very clearly, but it looks like a "Colt - Navi" converted from a capsule to the central battle cartridge. In general, the guys like children with "guns" adored "taking pictures". And they all stared in unison not at the place from which the bird would fly out, but in the other direction. Some lady jumped out of the bathhouse naked? smile
  8. -2
    29 August 2019 11: 01
    Quote: Alexander Green
    For the Communists, this does not matter. This is important only for the bourgeoisie of Russia and Ukraine; for it today it is an apple of discord.
    Crimea is now part of Russia, but Ukraine does not recognize this and it will be a hotbed of tension for a long time, and it is not yet known what all this will result in.
    This problem will go away as soon as all the former republics restore Soviet power and the Soviet Union.

    Crimea is Russia (yes / no)?
    Kiev is Russia (yes / no)?
    Lviv is Poland (yes / no)?
    And so forth

    "no difference", right? lol
    1. -1
      29 August 2019 21: 02
      Quote: Olgovich
      "no difference", right?

      No difference. Workers of all countries, unite !.
      1. -3
        30 August 2019 10: 33
        Quote: Alexander Green
        No difference. Workers of all countries, unite !.

        Yeah, are you talking about those German-Austrian proletarians (advanced, by the way) who came and killed 27 million of our fellow citizens? "Connected", yes! fool
        And what was your rubbish worth?

        WHOSE Crimea, for the hundredth time I ask! The USSR was not a thousand years old and not long ago: not to offer!
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