The United States appreciated a possible military conflict in the Black Sea

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In connection with the current situation in the world, a clash between Russia and the USA, for example, in the Black Sea, is quite likely, and this will not end with anything good for the American fleet, says American Navy specialist Lyle Goldstein. He published his opinion in the journal National Interest.

The United States appreciated a possible military conflict in the Black Sea




A hypothetical armed conflict between Russia and the United States is entirely possible and could erupt at any moment, Goldstein says. According to him, Washington continues to aggravate the situation and increase the degree of tension, arranging naval exercises in the Black Sea near the Russian borders, attracting Ukraine and NATO to them.

He noted that these exercises cannot lead to anything good, but they really bring closer a possible military conflict that could erupt at any moment. According to Goldstein, in the Black Sea there are thousands of mines left over from the Second World War and it is quite possible that an American ship will run into such a mine.

In Washington, the danger of such maneuvers is not fully understood. In principle, it is not difficult to imagine a war between the United States and Russia, which began as a result of the accidental sinking of a NATO ship by an unexploded mine

- says the author of the article, adding that in the event of such a local conflict, all NATO forces, with the exception of Turkey, will not be of any military value.

As Goldstein predicts, already in the first hours of the conflict, Russia will completely destroy all US forces located in the Black Sea with the help of its fleet and aviation.

The United States was even lucky that under the Montreux Convention, American aircraft carriers could not pass through the Turkish Straits. Indeed, otherwise they would have been immediately destroyed by Russian submarines, missile systems, missile boats and sea-based aviation equipped with hypersonic anti-ship missiles, such as the new Dagger complex

- the author of the article declares.

Further, Goldstein, discussing the importance of aircraft carriers in modern warfare, comes to the conclusion that the American fleet should get rid of the "cult of large ships" and invest in the development of underwater weapons and unmanned vehicles.
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    1. +9
      August 11 2019
      Is it really just now?
      1. +8
        August 11 2019
        In the Black Sea there will be enough bastions and balls, there is nothing to drive the fleet and VKS
      2. +7
        August 11 2019
        But quite recently a journalist from one proud but not far away country called the Russian fleet useless scrap metal with the letter "P". It turns out that he is not at all rusty and still not useless.
        1. +12
          August 11 2019
          The state of our fleet does not in any way depend on the opinions of journalists from countries "P", "S" and even more so "U".
          He performs his tasks.
          1. +1
            August 11 2019
            The US Navy (and NATO) will really not be able to enter the littoral of Russia (do not bring Gd to get hot) without suffering catastrophic losses from the Russian Navy and the forces given to it.
        2. +27
          August 11 2019
          Quote: cormorant
          It turns out that it is not rusty and yet not useless.

          According to a man who is sure that the Black Sea is still littered with thousands of mines laughing
          Our fleet, of course, is not useless, and indeed capable of destroying a few American ships at the World Cup, but the level of the article is AIDS-INFO.
          1. +8
            August 11 2019
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            According to a man who is sure that the Black Sea is still littered with thousands of mines

            During the war, more than 30 thousand minutes were installed. After the war, about 19 thousand were filmed. So consider the probability of a "meeting". Something has died from time and corrosion, but something can still bang for itself.
            1. +5
              August 11 2019
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              During the war more than 30 thousand minutes were installed. After the war, about 19 thous.

              Yeah, let's remember exactly where the mining was carried out and how many ships in the World Cup were blown up by mines after WWII. One "Novorossiysk" comes to my mind, and you?
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              from and consider the probability of "meeting".

              Zero.
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Something has died from time and corrosion, but something quite completely can still get banged.

              Yes, nothing there can already bang. The approaches to the naval base were "seeded" with mines, everything there has long been destroyed, and what has not been destroyed has long since died by itself. I am already silent about the fact that the US Navy does not need to go to areas where mines were once laid.
          2. +3
            August 11 2019
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            article level - AIDS-INFO

            Totally agree.
            Why the topvar picks up any rottenness from this yellow trash "NI" is quite difficult for me to understand. Retransmission of nonsense about "thousands of mines since WW2" undermines the authority of the portal as an information resource trying to be serious.
          3. +4
            August 11 2019
            Good night, Andrew. hi

            In the early eighties, they dug up the remains of tartans in the ban of the tank training ground near Anapa. We needed some equipment from the local authorities, we were in the office of the director of the Anapa fish farm (or whatever it was called), a walkie-talkie started talking on the table in the corner, some seiner reported that they had caught a "galvanic hammer", drowned out and were waiting for sappers. In response to our surprised question, the director said that every month they have a rich catch of "horned" ones. Maybe he lied a little, but I willingly believe him. Himself, in the year 61, in the Sukhum Bay, I saw this floating damn ball.
            Yes, and in the mid-seventies in Sevastopol, on the North Side, on the beach in Uchkuevka, a German "donka" was found, it was washed out of the pebbles by a storm about 1/5 of it. They called in the sappers, the cops dispersed the audience and the sailors jerked this fool right on the spot, under the cliff.
            So I’m sure there are more than enough surprises to this day.
            1. +2
              August 12 2019
              Quote: Sea Cat
              So I’m sure there are more than enough surprises to this day.

              But who argues, the mines have not disappeared.
              Quote: Sea Cat
              To our surprised question, the director said that every month they have a rich catch of "horned"

              But there were no blown up trawlers - that is, the mines are already unfit and can explode only by accident. But this is still
              Quote: Sea Cat
              in the early eighties

              and since then almost 40 years have passed
              1. 0
                August 13 2019
                But there were no blown up trawlers - that is, the mines are already unfit and can explode only by accident. But this is still


                But the devil knows him, Andrei, the electric ignited on the "horned" things is dull, I would not try. And with bottom acoustic it is generally not clear: if it is not cocked right away, is it the wrong depth, or a "friend's sending"? I don't know, I'm not special in this matter. It would be nice to ask a thread of our sailors.
          4. 0
            August 12 2019
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            article level -

            Duck and many articles from the National Interest are quite at the level of AIDS-INFO.
      3. +1
        August 11 2019
        All this is so, but if such a conflict, God forbid, happen, then in the first hours it will grow into the third world, using nuclear weapons.
        1. +6
          August 11 2019
          Quote: machinistvl
          All this is so, but if such a conflict, God forbid, happen, then in the first hours it will grow into the third world, using nuclear weapons.
          Is not a fact. Nuclear weapons are more a guarantee of security and argument in a dispute than a means of resolving a dispute. The temptation to use it will be great, but both sides of the conflict understand that the proactive use of nuclear weapons on one side will immediately be mirrored by the other side and not the fact that the first will come out victorious. Nobody wants to burn, and if you are lucky to survive, then the rest of your life will smell radioactive ashes.
          1. 0
            August 11 2019
            Nuclear weapons are more a guarantee of security and argument in a dispute than a means of resolving a dispute.

            Lord, well, who has poured such nonsense into your ears. Nuclear weapons in the same way take the life of a person like an ordinary pistol (for a murdered person, it doesn’t matter what killed him). So if you draw an analogy with a gun, then if the enemy has a gun and I have a gun, this does not mean that he nobody will apply ....
            1. +1
              August 11 2019
              Quote: lucul
              Lord, well, who has poured such nonsense into your ears.

              About nonsense, you and Trump and Kim Jong-Un take an interest, they will advise.
              Quote: lucul
              So if we draw an analogy with a gun, then if the enemy has a gun and I have a gun - this does not mean that no one will use it

              The United States has hundreds of times more nuclear warheads than North Korea, and it also has a full-fledged triad of delivery vehicles that North Korea can only dream of. So what? The United States, possessing an advantage in nuclear weapons, did not dare to resolve the "controversial" issue by military means, since the DPRK has its own "weighty argument", as a result of which everyone remained with his own. Is it worth talking about the nuclear potential and capabilities of Russia and the willingness of the United States to be the first to use nuclear weapons, if they understand that as a result of retaliatory actions they will receive unacceptable damage, after which the world will develop without the United States?
        2. -1
          August 11 2019
          Quote: machinistvl
          then in the first hours it will grow into the third world, using nuclear weapons

          Is not a fact. The decision to use nuclear weapons is a matter of political will, and the children of the Russian political "elite" (well, they are not the best, therefore, the word elite without quotation marks is unused to them) will be hostages, as well as a huge part of the money stolen from the country. Even the commander-in-chief will hardly dare to go against these "elitists" who are ready to lose half of the country in exchange for maintaining their assets and: censored.
      4. 0
        August 11 2019
        Quote: Gritsa
        Is it really just now?

        It did not and will not. This private person writes. US generals need some tension.
      5. -2
        August 11 2019
        Quote: Gritsa
        Is it really just now?

        "Katz offers to slash" smile
      6. +1
        August 12 2019
        there their whole fleet will drown
    2. AUL
      +3
      August 11 2019
      That's right man is afraid!
      1. +8
        August 11 2019
        Release the Kraken!

        laughing
      2. +5
        August 11 2019
        Quote from AUL
        That's right man is afraid!

        That's right, that's right ... But this man does not predict the situation further. And then everything will be according to the scenario of Pearl Harbor!
        The drowning of American ships in the World Cup is a prologue to World War III.
        Only Zelensky does not know about this, which is why he scratches Faberge, trying to incite amov to us. Clown - what to take from him!
        1. +6
          August 11 2019
          Are they ready to start TMV because of the unfortunate Burke? There, as you know, there will be no winners in the current alignment of forces.
          Rather, sanctions for FULL.
          1. -3
            August 11 2019
            Quote: kit88
            Rather, sanctions for FULL.

            Yes, much more complete.
            They themselves do not know what to impose
          2. +5
            August 11 2019
            Quote: kit88
            due to the miserable burke?

            A ship is the sovereign territory of the flag under which it walks.
            On the ship crew. - on Burke (there are about 70 units in their ranks!) - full-time crew -337 people. of which - 23 officers. And how the Yankees relate to the losses of their military - not for me to tell you ...
            They will certainly answer. Massively and with all cruelty! And the question of the use of nuclear weapons will flow out of the escalation of the conflict ... As happened during the war against the DRV. Glory to the Almighty, we stopped at the time!
            1. +2
              August 11 2019
              Sasha, stop scaring the population. The DRV did not have nuclear weapons. Eun has one. Is Eun alive?
              Glory to the Almighty, we stopped at the time!
              Sasha, I’m definitely having nothing to do with it. wink
            2. +4
              August 11 2019
              Uh, do not tell me, dear KAA.
              Surely you remember the incident in the demilitarized zone on the border of the DPRK and the South Caucasus on August 18, 1976. When the unlucky Yankees wanted to cut the branches of the poplar planted by Kim Il Sung himself, and the North Koreans chopped them up with axes for this cause - the victims were two US Army officers.
              I do not remember literally what the president of America said, but the point is that the lives of two officers are not worth the start of the war with the DPRK. And they limited themselves to demonstratively sawing this tree. True, in addition to 16 sappers, another 23 armored cars, 20 helicopters, f-4, f-5, f-111, f-86, b-52 and Midway aircraft carrier ...
              1. +2
                August 11 2019
                Quote: kit88
                the lives of two officers are not worth the outbreak of war with the DPRK.

                Good evening, namesake! hi
                But the sinking of a ship is not human life. This is a slap in the face of the country's prestige. And this is not the case when a dry cargo ship anchored by an RZK moved in the fog ... This is an act of armed aggression against the TERRITORY of the flag country. And I do not remember when such a government of a self-respecting country would forgive.
                1. 0
                  August 12 2019
                  "Kursk" remind?
                  1. 0
                    August 12 2019
                    Quote: Cetron
                    "Kursk" remind?

                    Do you have reinforced concrete evidence of Toledo's guilt?
                    Or do you want to say that the Amy admitted under the pressure of the hard evidence we presented?
                    - No? Then leave your "doubts and reflections" (from the series "Past and Thoughts") until better times!
                    Yours faithfully, hi
    3. -3
      August 11 2019
      not now they will explain to us here that the expert is wrong and the aircraft carriers are a super druper and a druper who decide everything
      1. +3
        August 11 2019
        Well, not all, but they can deliver problems, especially in the oceans.
        1. -2
          August 11 2019
          Quote: Teacher67
          Well, not all, but they can deliver problems, especially in the oceans.

          Delivery of what and where?
          Good transport, in terms of delivery, will be more efficient.
          The projection of force, it is, but only where they really cannot answer.
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      2. +6
        August 11 2019
        This is an airfield with all services, warehouses and a support group that can itself come to insufficiently democratic shores.
        1. +2
          August 11 2019
          and to sufficiently armed shores he can
        2. +8
          August 11 2019
          On the US aircraft carrier from 80 to 100 aircraft for various purposes, a group of escort ships with cruise missiles, submarines, etc. And you say that it’s just a dish and an easy target.
          1. -3
            August 11 2019
            Quote: Teacher67
            US aircraft carrier from 80 to 100 aircraft for various purposes

            And how many planes at the airfields in those areas where he pins?
            And how many air defense systems are deployed there?
            grouping of escort ships with cruise missiles,

            And how many cruise missiles on the shore will they wait before approaching our borders?
            , submarines

            How many? More than we have helicopters and PLO aircraft?
            etc.

            And this "etc." must also be protected
            And in general, it is always easier to fight on your own land. And there will be no shortage of ammunition, unlike the "aliens"
            Yes, and you can always drop a vigorous bonbochka in the middle of this gathering
            1. +4
              August 11 2019
              Quote: Lipchanin
              And how many planes at the airfields in those areas where he pins?
              And how many air defense systems are deployed there?

              Much less.
              Quote: Lipchanin
              And how many cruise missiles on the shore will they wait before approaching our borders?

              Of those that can reach AUG - not a single one. With a range of 300 km, the threat of AOG cannot be compiled
              Quote: Lipchanin
              How many? More than we have helicopters and PLO aircraft?

              Do you seriously think that having one helicopter per enemy nuclear submarine are you protected? :))))))
              Quote: Lipchanin
              And in general, fighting on their land is always easier.

              Yes. Only it would be nice to remember that history does not know a single case when the ground forces could repel an attack by aircraft carriers. And so all is well:)))
              1. -9
                August 11 2019
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Much less.

                Less than 80-100? belay
                Are you serious?
                Do we have fewer planes at the airfields of a particular military district than at the aircraft carrier? belay
                Of those that can reach AUG - not a single one.

                Yeah ... Do you know ALL the performance characteristics of our missiles that are in service?
                Do you seriously think that having one helicopter per enemy nuclear submarine are you protected? :))))))

                Do you seriously think that he is ONE with us?
                Yes. Only it would be nice to remember that history does not know a single case when the ground forces could repel an attack by aircraft carriers.

                Tell me a story when this aircraft carrier attacked SERIOUS states?
                With developed air defense, air force, and coastal missile systems.
                Or maybe you can recall how recently the AUG went to North Korea. He didn’t reach, he popped the other way. And why?
                Yes, because Korea has nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles.
                1. +8
                  August 11 2019
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Less than 80-100? belay
                  Are you serious?

                  Absolutely
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Do we have fewer planes at the airfields of a particular military district than at the aircraft carrier?

                  More :))) But here's the bad luck - being "sorted" by the military airfields of the district, they will not be able to jointly resist the AUG. That is, within the framework of the existing airfield network, AUG will have superiority. And if the pistol is farther than you can reach ...
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Yeah ... Do you know ALL the performance characteristics of our missiles that are in service?

                  Yes I know. This is unclassified information.
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Do you seriously think that he is ONE with us?

                  Well, why? About 130 units, but rather less, since, presumably, not all of the 83 PLO helicopters are on the move today, but this is not enough on the 53 American multipurpose nuclear submarines, especially since a significant part of the PLO planes and helicopters are extremely outdated.
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Tell me a story when this aircraft carrier attacked SERIOUS states?

                  The Second World War. As an example - the battle of the Mariana Islands, when the American OS even before the battle with the Ozawa Joint Fleet multiplied by zero 1000 Kakuta coastal aircraft. By the way, there were fewer aircraft on American AV. I can also recall Midway - despite the fact that the Americans knew that they were attacking and preparing for this, their ground aviation was defeated in this battle.
                  The USSR took the threat of the AUG very seriously. And he also planned to defend himself very seriously. In fact, every fleet of the USSR (northern, Pacific, Black Sea and Baltic) had at its disposal much more powerful means than today - the whole of Russia.
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Or maybe you can recall how recently the AUG went to North Korea. He didn’t reach, he popped the other way. And why?

                  But because Trump was not ready to escalate the conflict, he hoped to intimidate. It has nothing to do with the capabilities of aircraft carriers.
                  1. +4
                    August 11 2019
                    The list still needs to start with Taranto and Pearl Harbor
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    As an example - the battle of the Mariana Islands
                    1. -7
                      August 11 2019
                      Quote: Town Hall
                      The list still needs to start with Taranto and Pearl Harbor

                      But nothing that it was in the last century?
                      1. +3
                        August 11 2019
                        So what? Give an example of the destruction of an aircraft carrier by ground aviation. Though from the last century. "Land" pilot over the sea - "corpse"
                        1. -8
                          August 11 2019
                          Quote: Town Hall
                          Give an example of the destruction of an aircraft carrier by ground aviation. Though from the last century. "Land" pilot over the sea - "corpse"

                          I will repeat the question you asked above.
                          Tell me a story when this aircraft carrier attacked SERIOUS state?
                          With developed air defense, air force, and coastal missile systems.
                          Or maybe you can recall how recently the AUG went to North Korea. He didn’t reach, he popped the other way. And why?

                          And add another question
                          And when was the last time and with whom did the AUG fight?
                        2. +3
                          August 11 2019
                          Quote: Lipchanin
                          And when was the last time and with whom did the AUG fight?

                          Sticky! And the Middle East "wars" - (Iraq, Libya), don't count? am
                          Or do you naively believe that AVM can only spy on enemy ships and aircraft? and along the shore - a large African TABU? fool
                          Well, you are a complete "Mohawk" in nautical affairs, as I see! laughing
                        3. +5
                          August 11 2019
                          Quote: Town Hall
                          Give an example of the defeat of an aircraft carrier by land aviation.

                          Colleague! Do not mess with this ... Sticky brow!
                          He still has not answered the classic question of O. Bender: "In which regiment did you serve?" laughing
                          Do you want this person to explain something intelligible to you on a topic in which he is not Copenhagen !? Holy naivety! fellow
                          It’s easier to dig a full-profile trench with a teaspoon than to force a dumkopf to acknowledge his incompetence! (at least in Fleet matters) Yes
                        4. +2
                          August 11 2019
                          Thank you). I am familiar with the creativity and methods of "Persian")
                    2. +6
                      August 11 2019
                      Quote: Town Hall
                      The list still needs to start with Taranto and Pearl Harbor

                      There, the opponent can be dissuaded by the suddenness of the attack :))))
                      1. +5
                        August 11 2019
                        Opponent just to dissuade) .. and surprise is one of the trump cards of the aircraft carrier. A land airfield at the distance of a "dagger" strike cannot be pulled up
                        1. -7
                          August 11 2019
                          Quote: Town Hall
                          .a surprise is one of the trump cards of an aircraft carrier.

                          This is serious? belay belay belay
                          Can this gypsy camp come up all of a sudden? belay
                          Yes, it can be seen from space with the naked eye.
                          how two dozen ships can become invisible, probably only God and the forum member with the nickname Town Hall (Town Hall) know
                          And lying is ugly.
                          Where am I "just to excuse myself"?
                          It seems like I answer questions.
                          But once you insist ...
                          I am silent request
                        2. +4
                          August 11 2019
                          That's good ... I will try to survive this sad fact).
                        3. +8
                          August 11 2019
                          Quote: Lipchanin
                          This is serious? belay belay belay
                          Can this gypsy camp come up all of a sudden? belay
                          Yes, it can be seen from space with the naked eye.

                          To teach materiel - step march! At least at the level of the "Soviet Pearl Harbor" 1982. When the Pacific Fleet, alas, slept through a squadron of 30 warships led by the aircraft carriers Enterprise and Midway, having discovered them when they, being 300 miles from Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, were driving their aircraft to 150 km from our borders.
                  2. -9
                    August 11 2019
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    More :))) But here's the bad luck - being "sorted" by the military airfields of the district, I cannot jointly resist the AUG

                    Sorry, but this is nonsense. At ANY aerodrome more than 100 aircraft.
                    In addition, ALL aviation will operate on this AUG. ALL VKS.
                    That is, within the framework of the existing aerodrome network, the AUG will have superiority.

                    WHAT? belay Why only "within the existing airfield network"? At other airfields will they sit and poke around in the nose?
                    You didn’t say a word about air defense
                    Yes I know. This is unclassified information.

                    TTX all our rockets are not classified information? belay
                    And then, what is the secret information?
                    Are you sure that you did not slip the bullshit?
                    since, presumably, not all of the 83 PLO helicopters are on the move today. But with 53 US multipurpose nuclear submarines, this is completely insufficient,

                    And will they all come with the AUG?
                    The Second World War.

                    Maybe we will not juggle?
                    I will repeat the question
                    Tell me a story when this aircraft carrier attacked SERIOUS states?
                    With advanced air defense, air force, and coastal missile systems.

                    But because Trump was not ready to escalate the conflict, he hoped to intimidate.

                    Scared? Or maybe he regretted this AUG?
                    And further. As I understand from your answers, you think that the troublesome AUG is a formidable force that threatens Russia.
                    But for some reason, he really has no place to turn around near the borders of the Russian Federation.
                    Next.
                    He is good at local conflicts. There can be no local conflicts with America and NATO.
                    As soon as the AUG approaches our borders, EVERYTHING that flies and hits will be deployed against it. And if God forbid, he also launches something, then he will be instantly destroyed. By all available means.
                    And not one airport.
                    And this is without three seconds the third world war. Do you think the states will do this? I doubt it very much
                    And so let them scare the Papuans with their AUG.
                    1. +10
                      August 11 2019
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      Sorry, but this is nonsense. At ANY aerodrome more than 100 aircraft.

                      This is really nonsense. We have military airbases, so you know, counting on the basing of one air regiment (up to 30 aircraft). Particularly large - up to 2 regiments.
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      In addition, ALL aviation will operate on this AUG. ALL VKS.

                      Will not work. There simply is no such an aerodrome network, but there are tasks that will not allow ALL VKS to concentrate to defeat one AUG - so it is impossible to expose the remaining directions.
                      Sorry, but I see no reason to continue to discuss with a person who did not even bother to learn the basics.
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      WHAT? belay Why only "within the existing airfield network"? At other airfields, will they sit and pick at the nose?

                      For the smallest - "the available airfield network" - these are ALL available airfields, both military and civil
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      You didn’t say a word about air defense

                      In order not to upset you even more :)))) However, if you want - give out some thesis about air defense, we will deal with this
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      TTX of all our missiles is not classified information?

                      Nope.
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      And then, what is the secret information?

                      This information, the disclosure of which will entail damage to the defense of the state. So, you should have known that our land-based anti-ship missiles, until very recently, were subject to the restrictions of the INF Treaty. And we did not violate this agreement. Will you argue?
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      And will they all come with the AUG?

                      And what does the AUG have to do with it? :))) The overwhelming majority of these aircraft and helicopters in the event of a combat situation at the World Cup will immediately begin to solve the problem of detecting enemy nuclear submarines in the SSBN deployment zones. At the AUG in the World Cup (if there is an alternatively gifted American admiral who will drive her there), only the aviation of the World Cup PLO will act, and even then not all, and even then, only after the aircraft can (and can it?) Defeat the wing aircraft carrier
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      Maybe we will not juggle?

                      So don't juggle. And do not "move" off the topic.
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      I will repeat the question
                      Tell me a story when this aircraft carrier attacked SERIOUS states?
                      With developed air defense, air force, and coastal missile systems.

                      So the USA and Japan had both developed air defense and the Air Force, and Japan even had anti-ship missiles, only people (kamikaze) were the homing heads in them.
                      What is characteristic - did not help.
                      However, there were later situations, for example - Iraq, Desert Storm. Iraq had a very developed air defense and air force and anti-ship missiles and even tried to use them on American ships. Useless.
                      Yes, I understand, now it will begin that Iraq was not a serious state. But here's a bad luck - there is not a single historical example where a serious or frivolous state would ward off AUG. And yet - there is a fact - the reaction of the SERIOUS state of the USSR to the AUG, which provided each fleet with an air division of missile carriers, not counting the numerous submarines and other fleet forces.
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      Scared? Or maybe he regretted this AUG?

                      If you knew at least a little about the war at sea, you would understand that North Korea does not have the means to destroy the AUG, despite the presence of nuclear weapons.
                      I’ll just remind you that when attacking an AOG, the USSR missile-carrying aviation forces intended to use up 8 cruise missiles with nuclear warheads only in order to temporarily suppress an AUG anti-aircraft defense by an electromagnetic pulse. Do not destroy ships - only facilitate the breakthrough of missile carriers at a distance of rocket launch
                      1. -7
                        August 11 2019
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Sorry, but I don’t see the point of further discussing with a person,

                        I, too, had all the desire to speak with a person who is firmly convinced that the AUG is capable of causing irreparable damage.
                        What will he host in our sky but
                        There simply is no such an aerodrome network, but there are tasks that will not allow ALL VKS to concentrate to defeat one AUG

                        He doesn’t understand that EVERYTHING is not necessary. And they will raise as much as is necessary to destroy this object. Not much else
                        All, I won’t say a word
                        1. +7
                          August 11 2019
                          Quote: Lipchanin
                          And they will raise as much as is necessary to destroy this object.

                          Yeah. It remains only to recall that in order to defeat one AUG, it was necessary to launch the MRA aviation regiment, that is, marine missile-carrying aviation equipped with the Tu-2M22, to the line of attack. Today, the VKS has as many as one such regiment (in numbers).
                          Quote: Lipchanin
                          Not much else

                          Well, yes, with projected losses of up to 80% ....
                          Quote: Lipchanin
                          I, too, had all the desire to speak with a person who is firmly convinced that the AUG is capable of causing irreparable damage.

                          I do not believe :)))) I - I know. AUG really can do a lot. It is possible to destroy the AUG, but it is difficult and requires, firstly, an appropriate outfit of forces, and secondly, the highest level of combat training. Alas, today we have problems with both. Individually, the pilots are now trained quite well, but such exercises as in the USSR, when the air division was alerted, and it had to fly to another fleet with its own forces and given it to carry out additional reconnaissance and AUG attack, are simply not carried out today.
                          And you - continue to believe what you want.
                        2. +1
                          August 11 2019
                          Oddly enough, but here I completely agree with Andrei!
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                      2. +3
                        August 11 2019
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

                        This is really nonsense.

                        Andrey! Stop throwing beads: THIS TROL seems to have never served anywhere! For all my picker with him, he did not write a single post with TTX or links to samples of equipment! And you are talking to him like a pro! No.
                        This Lipoid has been on the site for a week without a year, but already teaches you and me to "understand" the issues that you covered in your articles! He does not hear the voice of reason (militant incompetence!), And you are trying to convince him! negative
                        Is it worth, my friend, to waste your time and nerves on the troll !?
                        Maybe better .... leave him alone?
                        1. -1
                          August 12 2019
                          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                          This Lipoid without a year is a week on the site


                          Sit exactly when I first came to the site, such a character as a creeping Ripeloid and was not close. And why didn’t you answer already told you, but apparently you listen with your tail and therefore, until it reaches your head, it is forgotten.
                          But I repeat. I do not pay attention to anonymous letters and do not answer.
                          But the troll is you. You are driven out the door, you climb out the window.
                          I already told you in plain text that I do not see any reason to feel with you, but you climb on all branches.
                          So who was sticking? Who is sticky?
                          Sin in the vastness of the site
                        2. 0
                          August 12 2019
                          Quote: Lipchanin
                          Sit exactly when I first came to the site, such a character as a creeping Ripeloid and was not close.

                          You speak the truth, cursed!
                          There was a respected person with such a nickname, only he was written a little differently (Boa constrictor kaa) and the icon was absolutely cute in the form of a deer ... I respected him very much, there were pros to look for!
                          And here you are, "Life Guards Lieutenant of the Dragoon Regiment!" we discovered absolutely by accident: you did not shine with intelligence or originality of judgments - that is why you stayed in mud ... up to major status ...
                          So, go back to the mud and do not fool the head of normal people!
                        3. +2
                          August 12 2019
                          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                          Andrei! Stop throwing beads

                          So I'm not doing this for him - everything is clear with him, he saw with his own eyes all the US AUG when he flew around our planet on a satellite. "How beautiful is our savannah from a bird's eye view!" (c) But not all readers are regulars, and some of the newcomers to the site are simply not aware of naval affairs, for the sake of them, in fact, I got into this dispute.
                          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                          Is it worth, my friend, to waste your time and nerves on the troll !?

                          I will not hi drinks
          2. +2
            August 11 2019
            Quote: Teacher67
            US aircraft carrier from 80 to 100 aircraft for various purposes

            And all these planes together turn into a pile of scrap metal in the event that any shell hits the take-off of an aircraft carrier, and the ship itself is a large target for the VKS.
          3. SSR
            +6
            August 11 2019
            Quote: Teacher67
            On the US aircraft carrier from 80 to 100 aircraft for various purposes, a group of escort ships with cruise missiles, submarines, etc. And you say that it’s just a dish and an easy target.

            You are a little confused.
            It is one thing to catch the Black Sea "puddle" in the vastness of the oceans, where it will be difficult for their aircraft and ships to approach the shores of the Russian Federation at least 200-250 km.
          4. -1
            August 11 2019
            Quote: Teacher67
            US aircraft carrier from 80 to 100 aircraft for various purposes

            hi
            One hit on the deck and all 80 aircraft - trash (neither take off nor land). And as a target for GLS, an aircraft carrier is a sweetie.
        3. -4
          August 11 2019
          Quote: Ken71
          which itself may come to insufficiently democratic shores.

          He can come and come.
          But how to leave then. And his reserves are limited, that there are combustibles for aircraft, that bonbon for them
          Raiding is always easier than flying.
          1. -2
            August 11 2019
            And supply ships, therefore, can’t deliver anything ...
            1. -4
              August 11 2019
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              And supply ships, therefore, can’t deliver anything ...

              Where from? They’ll carry everything with them. And this is a limited supply. Yes, and they must be protected.
              Just imagine such a picture. You and a gang of armed to the teeth like-minded people came to a foreign city. Will you fight there a lot if they are already waiting for you?
              What will you do when ammunition runs out?
              Who will deliver them to you if they block you?
              And they won’t joke with you. Only destroy.
              How long will you fight in a foreign city?
              1. +1
                August 11 2019
                Quote: Lipchanin
                What will you do when ammunition runs out?

                What ammunition? In the case of modern strategy and weapons, everything will be over there in a few hours.
                1. -5
                  August 11 2019
                  Quote: kventinasd
                  In the case of modern strategy and weapons, everything will be over there in a few hours.

                  Here I am about that.
                  And they all go to the bottom. Friendly
              2. +7
                August 11 2019
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Where from? They’ll carry everything with them. And this is a limited supply. Yes, and they must be protected.

                Again "expert" in naval affairs!
                1. There is a support system, including a naval base around the globe (unlike us!) And a whole fleet of support ships (KKS are called), as well as weapons transport.
                2. Stop finally measuring the fleet with your infantry standards! There are no fences in the sea - there is room for all 360 *! You can maneuver and move, taking into account the enemy’s forces and the features of the water area (MTVD) in the direction you need. Therefore, the comparison with the gang is unpassend!
                3. If AMG goes to the area, then this is not a solitary voyage. This is an operation on a theater. And it will be supported and provided by all forces in the area: the Air Force, and air defense, and intelligence, and air forces, and everything that NATO has there.
                So, you do not know - do not meddle! Wake up more, sickly.
                1. -13
                  August 11 2019
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  1. There is a support system, including a naval base around the globe (unlike us!) And a whole fleet of support ships (KKS are called), as well as weapons transport.

                  Delirium expert, at least enter the topic at the beginning.
                  Which ball? We are talking about what will happen to him when he locks up with us.
                  2. Stop finally measuring the fleet with your infantry standards! There are no fences in the sea - there is room for all 360 *!

                  Will he threaten us from Africa?
                  Once again, the conversation is about ONE specific place.
                  3. If AMG goes to the area, then this is not a solitary voyage. This is an operation on a theater. And it will be supported and provided by all forces in the area: the Air Force, and air defense, and intelligence, and air forces, and everything that NATO has there.

                  And this is the THIRD WORLD WAR.
                  And this trough full of airplanes will fly first of all on all the expanses of the oceans.
                  1. +8
                    August 11 2019
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    at least enter the topic at the beginning. what will happen to him when he locks up with us
                    Look at the map of the WCH pool. Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria are NATO members. Their ports and naval base are at the disposal of NATO (USA). Perhaps Ukraine and Georgia will be helped "in a brotherly way" There will definitely not be problems with the supply ...
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Will he threaten us from Africa?
                    No, from the Sea of ​​Marmara. And destroyers like Arly Burke - right from Constanta can unload their ammunition. Moreover, if there are 2, then there will be more BC than the current RF Black Sea Fleet ...
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    And this trough full of airplanes will fly first on all expanses of the oceans.

                    And what are you, my dear friend, going to scare him, for example, off the coast of Argentina? Therefore, do not carry nonsense in the heat of a hurray-patriotic frenzy. Before "raping the clave" - ​​look at the calendar, specify the composition of the current fleet of the DMZ.
                    Expert ... damn it! am
                    1. -7
                      August 11 2019
                      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                      Look at the map of the WCH pool. Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria are NATO members. Their ports and naval base are at the disposal of NATO (USA). Perhaps Ukraine and Georgia will be helped "in a brotherly way" There will definitely not be problems with the supply ...

                      FSE, the bottom is broken belay
                      AUG in the Black Sea, this is something.
                      No words, only homeric laughter laughing
                      No, from the Sea of ​​Marmara. And destroyers like Arly Burke - right from Constanta can unload their ammunition. Moreover, if there are 2, then there will be more BC than the current RF Black Sea Fleet ...

                      We don’t play cards and therefore we don’t need to juggle.
                      What arly burke? Where did you hear about him, if we are talking about aircraft carriers?
                      More submarines drag here.
                      my friend

                      This is to your sexual partner.
                      Are you going to scare him, for example, off the coast of Argentina?

                      And what does he get me from there? belay
                      And why do I need him to scare him there? request
                      look at the holy calendar, specify the composition of the current fleet DMZ.

                      Now I have finally made sure that today is Sunday. laughing
                      Well, how about tomorrow with a hangover at work?
                      Or left a small grammar? laughing
                      1. +4
                        August 11 2019
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        AUG in the Black Sea, this is something.

                        What does the AUG have to do with it? Look at the composition of the participants in the World Cup exercises!
                        the US Navy has extensive experience in maintaining its permanent presence even in the most remote areas of the oceans, and therefore it will not be difficult for Washington to constantly keep in the Black Sea - on a rotational basis - 2 or 3 EM URO of the Arly Burke type or URO type cruiser Ticonderoga ”, which will carry on board from 100 to 200 cruise missiles“ Tomahawk ”, not counting anti-ship missiles“ Harpoon ”, SAM“ Standard ”and“ Sea RAM ”, ASROC PLUR, etc.

                        But the composition of the participants of the NATO exercises in the World Cup:
                        in the waters of the Black Sea located in the southern “underbelly” of Russia, 10 ships of the naval forces of the member countries were concentrated. Of these, four are part of the 1th Permanent Group of the NATO Navy (SNMG1):
                        - Spanish frigate URO Admiral Juan de Bourbon of the Alvaro de Bazan type, equipped with the American Aegis air defense system and air defense systems with a firing range of up to 170 km;
                        - American frigate URO "Taylor" (FFG-50) type "Oliver Hazard Perry";
                        - German frigate URO "Lubeck" - the last in a series of ships of the type "Bremen";
                        - Polish frigate General Casimir Pulaski - former American frigate URO Clark (FFG-11) of the Oliver Hazard Perry type.
                        Fifth ship, Canadian frigate URO "Ville de Quebec" type "Halifax" ...

                        And an urgent request - watch the "bazaar": you are no longer in the zone, so get used to communicating with cultured people! laughing
                        1. -4
                          August 11 2019
                          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                          What does the AUG have to do with it? Look at the composition of the participants in the World Cup exercises!

                          Yes, besides! I climbed into the middle of the conversation, I didn’t understand anything, but he piled above the roof of the village council.
                          The conversation was about AUG. But what kind of teachings and speeches weren’t about?
                          Where did we talk about other ships?
                          He came up with a question for himself, it’s not clear that he piled up himself, but he blamed me.
                          Find where, in addition to aircraft carriers, did they talk about other ships?
                          And an urgent request - watch the "bazaar"

                          And you need to follow this
                          With this "And what are you, my friend only to those about whom I said.
                          you are no longer in the zone

                          Well, in the zone you would definitely be for such words ...
                          get used to communicating with cultural people!

                          I don’t need to get used to it. I know how to talk with normal people.
                          YOU are not among them.
                          And therefore, do not fiddle with Claudia anymore, the eternal "ignore" on communication has imposed, even if you tie a knot, you will not hear a word
              3. +2
                August 11 2019
                It’s even strange how the Americans waged many years of war in the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic.
            2. +1
              August 11 2019
              Quote: Zeev Zeev
              And supply ships, therefore, can’t deliver anything ...

              I would give you my blood, but I need it myself ...
          2. -1
            August 12 2019
            Yes, good already! You better tell us how you became a "major" by registering in June of this year.
        4. -2
          August 11 2019
          Quote: Ken71
          This is an airfield with all services, warehouses and a support group that can itself come to insufficiently democratic shores.

          For the cost of this airfield, you can build several dozens of perimeter vast. Which will not go under water with planes from one rocket.
          1. -6
            August 11 2019
            Quote: Winnie76
            Which will not go under water with planes from one rocket.

            Or torpedoes
          2. +5
            August 11 2019
            Quote: Winnie76
            Which will not go under water with planes from one rocket.

            This is so .. But they also will not get away from a massive attack by the IOS, including concrete bombs and the cumulative damaging elements of cluster munitions! And then what will remain of your wonderful airfield? And then what will you fight, well, after RAU on airplanes based on it?
            Just do not need about missile defense / air defense ... They are the first to be destroyed: in all planned operations, this is the first stage of the BOOM BAA!
            AHA.
            1. -4
              August 11 2019
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              And then what will remain of your wonderful airfield?

              Storyteller laughing
              Yes, while they fly we will be picking our nose? Sit and wait when they arrive and do not raise their aircraft?
              And why talk about one airfield? No more in Russia? Will this AUG come so "out of order" and we will not be able to prepare?
              Only "Kashchenko" can come up with a more crazy plan to destroy our airfield laughing
              We FSE destroy, bonbyat everyone and FSE in a row and we sit and enjoy. All VKS sits at its airfields and watches live as hostages have fun laughing
          3. +7
            August 11 2019
            Quote: Winnie76
            For the cost of this airfield, you can build several dozens of perimeter vast.

            No need to dream. For the cost of American AB, you can build no more than 3 large land bases
            1. -2
              August 11 2019
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              12 billion bucks is the new Amer aircraft carrier WITHOUT accounting for the cost of aircraft, so there really will be enough to build a dozen airfields
              1. +4
                August 11 2019
                Quote: Graz
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                12 billion bucks is the new Amer aircraft carrier WITHOUT accounting for the cost of aircraft, so there really will be enough to build a dozen airfields

                Let me remind you that the cost of building the German Willy Brandt Berlin-Brandenburg Airport amounted to 7,3 billion euros. But the airport is still unfinished.
                Maybe some relatively small airfields can actually be built with a dozen. But the fact is that the military air base is much more expensive. These are special requirements for construction, and the size of the runway, and the corresponding equipment, and air defense cover, etc. etc.
        5. +1
          August 11 2019
          Quote: Ken71
          This is an airfield with all services, warehouses and a support group that can itself come to insufficiently democratic shores.

          The rescue of drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves. A curtain.
          1. +5
            August 11 2019
            Andrey is from Chelyabinsk, and Sasha, excuse me, BLOW KAA! You probably have a lot of free time, since you and the Lipchanin are fighting! tongue thankless job to get involved with an absolutely incompetent, stubborn urapatriot. Do not you know! hi
            1. 0
              August 11 2019
              Quote: Aerodrome
              thankless job to get involved with an absolutely incompetent, stubborn urapatriot.

              You speak the truth, friend! drinks
              I did not immediately recognize the void ... I even asked "in which regiment Lipoid served" - the answer is ZERO! It was then that "vague doubts began to torment me." And then he looked at Andrey's cut and understood - TROL!
              And what’s the most opposite - not a single send to the performance characteristics or technical samples - all by! But conceit - to the moon and back ...
              So, thanks for your understanding, we figured out this "sticky" situation.
              Sincerely, Boa. hi
            2. 0
              August 12 2019
              Quote: Aerodrome
              Andrey is from Chelyabinsk, and Sasha, excuse me, BLOW KAA! You probably have a lot of free time, since you and the Lipchanin are fighting!

              You are absolutely right:))))) soldier drinks
      3. -3
        August 11 2019
        Aircraft carriers are good against broads and to demonstrate strength and not against a serious opponent
      4. +4
        August 11 2019
        I ask my sofa, and he says: "all kinds of ships are good, all kinds of ships are needed."
      5. +6
        August 11 2019
        Quote: bmv04636
        not now they will explain to us here that the expert is wrong

        Do you seriously call an expert a person who talks about thousands of mines in the Black Sea? :))) Oh well
    4. +3
      August 11 2019
      If Russia and the US step on each other's tail. The main conflict will not unfold not in the Black Sea and not even in the oceans, but at the height of ballistic missiles and means of counteracting them! And not the fact that they will fly the shortest way through the Arctic !!!
      1. +1
        August 11 2019
        So Yes. But the beginning will be laid in a local conflict, which can turn into a global
    5. -14
      August 11 2019
      Well, this is the only fleet that can protect something
      1. +4
        August 11 2019
        And I thought that the northern one is the strongest ...
        1. -7
          August 11 2019
          The most ... but relative to our other fleets
    6. +5
      August 11 2019
      NATO is not able to do anything in the Black Sea, since after the installation of coastal missile systems in the Crimea, the entire water area is blocked, right up to the Turkish straits. And nothing can be done with the coastal complexes of the NATO ps Udins.
      1. -4
        August 11 2019
        How much do coastal complexes hit and how much do the same tomahawks beat?
        1. +2
          August 11 2019
          Quote: Teacher67
          How much do coastal complexes hit and how much do the same tomahawks beat?

          According to "Wikipedia" or according to real performance characteristics that no one will post to you?
          1. +2
            August 11 2019
            Well, I think the potential adversary is aware of their range, and obviously will not go to the distance of the shot.
            1. -3
              August 11 2019
              Quote: Teacher67
              and obviously will not go to the distance of the shot.

              And where will he shoot from then? Or does his rocket fly further?
              1. 0
                August 11 2019
                They will shoot tomahawks and jaesem at stationary targets. Pkr with such a range is not.
                About the bastions. There seems to be one division of 4 launchers and 8 missiles. I would not say that it is a lot
                1. 0
                  August 11 2019
                  Quote: RideMaster
                  There seems to be one division of 4 launch 8 missiles.

                  In the division - 24 anti-ship missiles. BC together with TZM: (12 SPU on 2 anti-ship missiles on each).
                  There were two divisions, until one was transferred to the SAR. But in 2016, he successfully worked on the BC. Therefore, there is experience in combat use.
                  1. 0
                    August 11 2019
                    The division has 4 launchers of 2 rockets each.
                    1. 0
                      August 11 2019
                      I don’t know for sure - I didn’t serve in BRAV, but when I was still serving, there weren’t any Bastions ... But this is what confuses:
                      On Sunday, Interfax, citing an unnamed source in the defense industry complex, said: “Damascus expects to receive at least two Bastion complexes, the ammunition of one complex may include up to 36 Yakhont missiles. The amount of the contract is estimated by the source at 300 million dollars.
                      http://periscope2.ru/2010/09/20/2703/
                      4 SPUs already carry 8 anti-ship missiles. And where are the transport-loading cars? The usual norm is 3 BC on the PU, or am I misunderstood something?
            2. +2
              August 11 2019
              Of course, they’re not kamikaze, and we won’t be put under attack either.
              1. -3
                August 11 2019
                Quote: vladcub
                Of course, they are not kamikazes, and neither will we

                Then why would they even come?
          2. -3
            August 11 2019
            Quote: Piramidon
            According to "Wikipedia" or according to real performance characteristics that no one will post to you?

            Stan, but where is the larger supply of missiles, on the AUG, or on the shore?
            1. +1
              August 11 2019
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Stan, but where is the larger supply of missiles, on the AUG, or on the shore?

              Why Stepan right away? This was not discussed. I answered on the topic of performance characteristics, and not on ammunition. request Your comment and question are not addressed.
              1. -4
                August 11 2019
                Quote: Piramidon
                Why Stepan right away?

                I didn’t want to officially.
                I answered on the topic of performance characteristics, and not on ammunition.

                I asked a little wrong question. excuse me hi
            2. +2
              August 11 2019
              What rockets? Tomahawk will be fine there. About the dagger is funny. So far, he is only in the words of PCR and hypersonic. Well, in terms of quantity I hope at least a dozen are.
        2. +1
          August 11 2019
          Quote: Teacher67
          How much do coastal complexes hit and how much do the same tomahawks beat?

          But you do not forget about Daggers, they are not in vain deployed in the south.
        3. SSR
          +3
          August 11 2019
          Quote: Teacher67
          how many beat the same tomahawks?

          Is it that not everyone has flown in Syria?
          Why doesn't our "Caliber" suit you?
          1. -2
            August 11 2019
            It is strange to explain this to a person from here. Tomogavk hits the stationary target with no caliber, if you mean PKD and the range is different.
        4. bar
          +3
          August 11 2019
          Gauges from the Caspian Sea to Syria seem to have flown. With such a range, he would block the Black Sea from there even along. About coastal and no conversation.
          1. 0
            August 11 2019
            You are going to beat with these calibers on aug. Urpatriotism must be controlled, but it turns out stupid.
            1. bar
              0
              August 11 2019
              Why are calibers worse than tomohawks? You can, of course, remember about the "dagger", but there are big doubts that they are available in sufficient quantities.
    7. +2
      August 11 2019
      Nobody knows what they’ll play on the eve of both world wars at sea. All the great ships of those wars mostly stood at bases or died ingloriously.
      1. -1
        August 11 2019
        All 8 missiles of the bastions are being shot at, yeah.
    8. 0
      August 11 2019
      There can be no military conflict in the Black Sea! That they, that we, simply take part in military exercises there and that’s it. A very large cargo turnover goes through the Black Sea and no one needs a war there spiritually. What to us, what to the NATO countries.
      1. +1
        August 11 2019
        Quote: Nycomed
        There can be no military conflict in the Black Sea! That they, that we, simply take part in military exercises there and that’s it. A very large cargo turnover goes through the Black Sea and no one needs a war there spiritually. What to us, what to the NATO countries.

        I wouldn’t be so self-confident. Relationship tensions are not just rhetoric. Do not forget about the human factor. The commander of an American ship under the gun of our systems may at some point incorrectly assess the situation and use weapons. And that’s it! And a chain reaction will go.
      2. -2
        August 11 2019
        Quote: Nycomed
        There can be no military conflict in the Black Sea!

        Can!
        But only in case, Attention!
        as a result of accidental sinking of a NATO ship unexploded mine

        That's it. Unexploded mines and sink the entire fleet of NATO, and this is war lol
        What does it mean that a person does not see the difference between mines laughing
        This is worse than the Belarusian Sea
      3. -3
        August 11 2019
        well don't tell the story remember
      4. +2
        August 11 2019
        Quote: Nycomed
        There can be no military conflict in the Black Sea! That they, that we, simply take part in military exercises there and that’s it. A very large cargo turnover goes through the Black Sea and no one needs a war there spiritually. What to us, what to the NATO countries.

        It is of course true, but it happens that a third party will be interested in a conflict.
        Who will give a guarantee that someone in the USA does not want to put a pig: administration, for political, economic, personal reasons?
        In EVERY COUNTRY, under ANY AUTHORITY will be dissatisfied, the whole point is what opportunities they have
    9. +5
      August 11 2019
      The United States appreciated a possible military conflict in the Black Sea

      Even the most pro-American expert cannot appreciate all the possibilities of a conflict, but I like the train of thought ... Especially about mines ...
      1. +1
        August 11 2019
        Directly suggest the direction of action of Russia. Install mines 2MV in the right places.
      2. -2
        August 11 2019
        Quote: ROSS 42
        . Especially about mines ...

        Unexploded!!!
        But drowned laughing
    10. +6
      August 11 2019
      you need to understand that all this is only due to the fact that Krymnash, otherwise it would be quite the opposite
      1. +7
        August 11 2019
        Nonsense. If our Crimea would not be theirs. And our fleet in the Black Sea would lose any initiative.
        1. 0
          August 11 2019
          so I am about the same, if you read the article, then it talks about the unconditional military advantage of Russia in the Black Sea, I noted thanks to what this advantage, and you agree with me starting with the word "stupidity"
      2. 0
        August 11 2019
        Quote: _Ugene_
        you need to understand that all this is only due to the fact that Krymnash, otherwise it would be quite the opposite

        he who seeks an occasion will always find it. As the saying goes ... you are to blame for the fact that I want to eat!
        1. +1
          August 11 2019
          Absolutely.
    11. +2
      August 11 2019
      Good opinion in such a magazine ...
    12. -2
      August 11 2019
      Surprisingly sound thoughts of the "expert"))
      Most likely a Russian Jew))
    13. +2
      August 11 2019
      You will laugh, and maybe some people will even fall off the chair, but this article by Holstein is a replica of the article by our esteemed Andrei from Chelyabinsk.
      And Goldstein himself was never an admiral, but an assistant professor at the Department of Strategic Studies of the Naval College.
      And of course, in puddles like the Black or Baltic Seas, any aircraft carrier has a cover by definition
      1. -5
        August 11 2019
        Quote: Ken71
        and assistant professor of strategic research at the naval college.

        College, is it if I'm not mistaken, in our technical school?
        Yeah ... Strong "expert"
        1. +5
          August 11 2019
          What other college? Naval War College is the coolest Navy officer training center in the United States and is directly supervised by the U.S. Department of Defense. Goldstein works as a professor there, teaches and does research work.

          https://nationalinterest.org/profile/lyle-j-goldstein

          https://www.usnwc.edu/

          Cool!
          1. -1
            August 11 2019
            Quote: Klim Chugunkin
            What other college?

            I didn't say the word "college".
            And in Russia, colleges, this is what in the USSR were technical schools
            1. +2
              August 11 2019
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: Klim Chugunkin
              What other college?

              I didn't say the word "college".
              And in Russia, colleges, this is what in the USSR were technical schools

              MVTU named after Bauman has the status of a university, although it stands for higher technical school, go and take a look at their logic
              1. -2
                August 11 2019
                Quote: 1976AG
                although it stands for Higher Technical School,

                Yes, it’s all about the word Higher.
                As far as I remember, in the days of the USSR, diplomas from Moscow State University, MGIMO, "Baumanki" and 1-2 more were recognized in the country. Which ones I don't remember exactly.
                And about the "technical school" .. Actually, I wanted to be ironic, to joke laughing
              2. 0
                August 11 2019
                MSTU named after Bauman, such a university, not a school, and not even an institution
      2. +1
        August 11 2019
        Quote: Ken71
        And of course, in puddles like the Black or Baltic Seas, any aircraft carrier has a cover by definition

        The same can be said about almost all the seas in the north, Baltic and eastern coast of the Mediterranean, and the Far East is also not weakly protected.
    14. +4
      August 11 2019
      Oooh cool in the National Interest article Goldstein refers to the Military Review - an article by Andrey from Chelyabinsk "The future of the US Navy: nuclear" supers "or light aircraft carriers?" By the way, under Goldstein's article, a sickly discussion is in full swing, it will be necessary to register, talk ...

      Generally speaking, the editors of BO need to think about making a normal English version. Hire a native speaker and translate the most authoritative and resonant articles into English. Do not google translate to English, Chinese, German and Spanish (sorry guys, but it really looks poor, not your level) but at least 10-20% of articles translate into normal English.
      1. -2
        August 11 2019
        Generally speaking, the editors of BO need to think about making a normal English version. Hire a native speaker and translate the most authoritative and resonant articles into English. Do not google translate to English, Chinese, German and Spanish (sorry guys, but it really looks poor, not your level) but at least 10-20% of articles translate into normal English.

        If you come from a computer - then there is a choice of language. Another question is how high quality it is, the Chinese with the Indians does not bother to add ....
        1. +1
          August 11 2019
          Well, I’m saying that google traslate generates translations there and it looks like complete trash. It is better to translate at least 10-20% of articles but into normal English.
          1. -1
            August 11 2019
            Well, I’m saying that google traslate generates translations there and it looks like complete trash

            Well then, yes, it's time to grow out of "baby pants" and hire high-quality translators, at least in 5 major languages ​​of the world.
      2. +3
        August 11 2019
        Quote: Klim Chugunkin
        Oooh cool in the National Interest article Goldstein refers to the Military Review - an article by Andrey from Chelyabinsk "The future of the US Navy: nuclear" supers "or light aircraft carriers?"

        Go crazy :)))) I'll have to read :)))))
        1. +2
          August 11 2019
          Congratulations! drinks Now through Holstein you can influence the formation of the US naval doctrine! soldier You will do stuffing! laughing
          1. +3
            August 11 2019
            Quote: Klim Chugunkin
            Now through Holstein you can influence the formation of the US naval doctrine!

            Well, here ITS persuade in my plans is definitely not included :))))
      3. 0
        August 11 2019
        Which is very characteristic of the level of "analytics" on this internet washer called NI
    15. +3
      August 11 2019
      Further, Goldstein, discussing the importance of aircraft carriers in modern warfare, comes to the conclusion that the American fleet should get rid of the "cult of large ships" and invest in the development of underwater weapons and unmanned vehicles.

      Goldstein is simply lobbying for the interests of manufacturers of submarine weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles.
      1. +1
        August 11 2019
        She herself thought that he was lobbying for the interests of certain circles.
    16. +2
      August 11 2019
      Quote: Teacher67
      How much do coastal complexes hit and how much do the same tomahawks beat?

      Eccentric. We will measure not tomahawks and balls, but Sarmatians. 80 Sarmatians are enough for the funeral of 20% of the US population.
      The aircraft carriers will have nowhere to pester.
      1. 0
        August 11 2019
        In your world, I look already and the Sarmatians are in service? For now, I suggest that the Sarmatians be measured with the latest Ukrainian nuclear missiles, Ukrainian-m1
    17. +4
      August 11 2019
      and it’s quite possible that an American ship will run into such a mine.

      Even if it runs into, it will quietly sink, the Americans will take the next package of sanctions and that’s all over.
      "expert" is already a curse. Why are aircraft carriers in the Black Sea? There are only airfields around.
    18. +1
      August 11 2019
      Reasonable words of a rational person!
      "do not climb - kill" (c) and yes: "who owns the Crimea, he owns the Sea" (c)
      I hope this will continue to be so.
      The Black Sea was called Russian in ancient times. By the way, I do not mind, if hypothetically, the ancient name would be returned)
      Py.Sy.Pros not take for Great Russian chauvinism))))
      1. -4
        August 11 2019
        Quote: The Siberian Barber
        .By the way, I do not mind, if hypothetically, the ancient name would be returned)

        Yes, even Akhaensky.
        In ancient times, the Scythians called the Black Sea "Akhaena" (dark sea)

        "Yes, Scythians - we! Yes, Asians - we,
        With slanting and greedy eyes! "
        Alexander Blok
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        -2
        August 11 2019
        Quote: The Siberian Barber
        Black Sea Russian, in the old days was called

        That was a long time ago. Now it’s rather Turkish
        1. 0
          August 11 2019
          Why? ) I do not see the dominance of the Turkish fleet at the World Cup, even if there are a lot of problems of the Black Sea Fleet, after the collapse of the USSR
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            0
            August 11 2019
            I do not see the dominance of the Turkish fleet at the World Cup

            It is enough for the Turkish fleet to dominate the straits. Nowadays, when they put international instruments on an instrument, there is little hope for a Montreux convention. Moreover, Turkey is in NATO, especially with Erdogan’s character.
            1. 0
              August 11 2019
              If you, about the fact that the Turks can miss a larger number of NATO ships?
              Such a development is quite possible, but at the moment there are no direct prerequisites.
              And, do not forget that the World Cup shoots us, along and across. Supostats, not fools, shove for slaughter.
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                0
                August 12 2019
                If desired, the World Cup and the Russian coast can be shot in the same way from the Turkish side. Moreover, the length of the Turkish coast is many times greater than the length of the Russian. And taking into account control over the straits of the World Cup, you can rather call it Turkish, and not Russian. That is exactly what I had in mind. The position of Russia in the World Cup strongly resembles that of Ukraine in the Azov.
    19. +1
      August 11 2019
      Over the past 5 years, a large number of military aircraft and helicopters have been seen in the sky over Kerch. There were exercises several times, but besides the exercises, on average once a week you notice something. It happens more often. And not just mi-xnumx. Dryers, MiGs, Miles, deck Kamovs, transport Ilyushins, and even the Berievs :) Single, deuces, fours, spans and circles :) In different colors. Beriav saw as many 8 pieces at a time :)

      It seems that Russia on the Black Sea has something to meet from the air of an adversary :)
    20. +1
      August 11 2019
      Everyone "drowns" for their own.
      Thank God that the military leaders understand that a serious war is now DANGEROUS and not profitable in all respects ..... slightly stretched out, on a defenseless enemy, the limit of their dreams ... except for those who are completely sick on their heads, of course.
      Everything is funnier with politicians, but there is mostly verbiage and nothing more.
    21. +1
      August 11 2019
      At least one clever man was found, it is a pity that he does not command the armed USA.
    22. +1
      August 11 2019
      Reasonable people are EVERYWHERE, as well as inadequate. I think that adequate people or relatively adequate, but not adequate, are more visible
    23. -2
      August 11 2019
      According to Goldstein, in the Black Sea there are thousands of mines left from the Second World War and it is quite possible that an American ship will run into such a mine

      This is not an expert, but some kind of clown
      He is sure that only American ships can destroy old mines.
      He doesn’t even know about the existence of NATO members in Romania and Bulgaria, but what about the possibility of basing Americans in Ukraine?
      Orosho at least heard about the existence of Turkey, but the fact that the States with Turkey beat pots is clearly not known
      1. -1
        August 11 2019
        Romania and Bulgaria are, but with the fleets there is not ah. The author logically left them behind the brackets.
        1. +1
          August 11 2019
          How about airfields? Also no?
          1. 0
            August 12 2019
            Nedoaerodromes, according to the notions of minke whales, are. Brought out of brackets.
            1. 0
              August 12 2019
              And subaerodromes by their concepts are what? You can’t take off from them?
              1. 0
                August 12 2019
                We will not consider the airfield as a jump ...
                A modern, full-fledged airfield, BASE, it is a huge, complex infrastructure, besides it is very expensive! Anywhere, the Yankees do not do this because it is expensive! And the small ... allies, there’s simply no money for that.
                This is not criticism, belittling, mind you. Just a statement of fact.
                1. 0
                  August 12 2019
                  Why not? and why you need to consider only the BASE, and not the base?
                  Airplanes can be safely based there in case of any need, providing most of the maintenance and repair, and if you need great opportunities for this, American bases in Europe can be easily reached.
                  It’s not a problem to stock up supplies, a developed railway and automobile network and the rest of the infrastructure.
                  The author of the original article, as I understand it, simply did not know what the Black Sea states exist, I only heard about Turkey.
                  ...
                  1. 0
                    August 12 2019
                    Quote: Avior
                    Why not?

                    Okay, the author is not aware that there are jump airfields on which you can bring MINIMUM of the necessary.
                    Quote: Avior
                    with the provision of most of the maintenance and repair, and if you need great opportunities for this, American bases in Europe are within easy reach.

                    A modern aircraft requires complicated and expensive maintenance! Nobody will drag everything necessary to the airfield of a jump ...
                    The value of such an airfield is not zero and is undoubtedly included in the plans.
                    1. 0
                      August 12 2019
                      I think you're exaggerating.
                      Most of the equipment for maintenance is quite mobile, and in Europe, especially
    24. +1
      August 11 2019
      "In principle, it is not difficult to imagine a war between the United States and Russia, started as a result of the accidental sinking of a NATO ship by an unexploded mine."

      This is if you first imagine the morons in command
    25. -4
      August 11 2019
      The SGA carrier fleet is good for cutting sea lanes such as the pirate fleet of its kind. Alas, it is no longer suitable for solving strategic tasks. Neither the Baltic nor the Black Sea nor the Pacific Ocean, and even more so from the North Arctic aircraft carriers of the SGA of Russia, can not physically threaten. Here is the current sadness. And Transport arteries cannot cut like this.
      1. 0
        August 11 2019
        Quote: bmv04636
        The SGA carrier fleet is good for cutting sea lanes such as the pirate fleet of its kind. Alas, it is no longer suitable for solving strategic tasks.

        Maxim Valerievich! Well, where were you when they "hooligans" in Libya and Iraq !?
        And, secondly, you need to amend the US naval doctrine: they still believe in all seriousness that the AVU are the second strategic echelon of the Navy in a "big" nuclear war. And the basis of the combat power of the general purpose forces of the Navy in the database with the use of conventional weapons ...
        So, I advise you to hurry up! And then - "the men don't know!" Yes
    26. 0
      August 11 2019
      So in the event of a conflict, the American fleet is unlikely to enter the Black Sea - this is stupid, but in the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean, far from the shores, they are kings, this is their primary task, and not to bomb the shores of all Bantustanov.
    27. 0
      August 11 2019
      In connection with the current situation in the world, a clash between Russia and the USA, for example, in the Black Sea, is quite likely, and this will not end with anything good for the American fleet

      Any conflict with Russia on the Black Sea and opponents begin to travel to the bottom.
      There, a priori, no one shines to "strain" us. request
    28. -1
      August 11 2019
      Quote: RideMaster
      In your world, I look already and the Sarmatians are in service? For now, I suggest that the Sarmatians be measured with the latest Ukrainian nuclear missiles, Ukrainian-m1

      If you have a desire to start today, then the one that is is enough for you. With a big hook.
    29. -1
      August 11 2019
      Quote: cormorant
      But quite recently a journalist from one proud but not far away country called the Russian fleet useless scrap metal with the letter "P". It turns out that he is not at all rusty and still not useless.

      This happened because he, this journalist, was a loser even in this very near country. Therefore, it was not far squared.
    30. -1
      August 11 2019
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Quote: cormorant
      It turns out that it is not rusty and yet not useless.

      According to a man who is sure that the Black Sea is still littered with thousands of mines laughing
      Our fleet, of course, is not useless, and indeed capable of destroying a few American ships at the World Cup, but the level of the article is AIDS-INFO.

      In order not to be at the level of speed yourself, you need evidence. Prove that ALL mines are neutralized. (for unpleasant sensations, you, in Chelyabinsk, have enough and one, accidentally left) and .....
    31. +1
      August 11 2019
      Quote: BoA KAA
      Quote: kit88
      due to the miserable burke?

      A ship is the sovereign territory of the flag under which it walks.
      On the ship crew. - on Burke (there are about 70 units in their ranks!) - full-time crew -337 people. of which - 23 officers. And how the Yankees relate to the losses of their military - not for me to tell you ...
      They will certainly answer. Massively and with all cruelty! And the question of the use of nuclear weapons will flow out of the escalation of the conflict ... As happened during the war against the DRV. Glory to the Almighty, we stopped at the time!

      In fact, it’s a shame to compare Russia with the DRV. It was said many years ago that what is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull.
      I do not think that Russia should be equated with a bull. Not Jupiter, yes, but not .... So, provocations like provocations in the Gulf of Tonkin will not work here.
    32. 0
      August 11 2019
      Nobody will fight with anyone !!!! Everything will be calmly decided in Zurich over a glass of 1964 "Petrus"!
    33. Cat
      0
      August 11 2019
      US Navy Should Get Rid of the Big Ship Cult

      This is according to Freud ... And how do they get rid of the inferiority complex?
    34. 0
      August 12 2019
      Quote: Nychego
      Quote: machinistvl
      then in the first hours it will grow into the third world, using nuclear weapons

      Is not a fact. The decision to use nuclear weapons is a matter of political will, and the children of the Russian political "elite" (well, they are not the best, therefore, the word elite without quotation marks is unused to them) will be hostages, as well as a huge part of the money stolen from the country. Even the commander-in-chief will hardly dare to go against these "elitists" who are ready to lose half of the country in exchange for maintaining their assets and: censored.

      In such a "key" then no one will come out to meet the amerovsky fleet! They will just pretend that nothing is happening! "Svoe" loot in American banks - it is certainly more expensive for all ranks! :(
    35. 0
      August 12 2019
      Quote: Gato
      US Navy Should Get Rid of the Big Ship Cult

      This is according to Freud ... And how do they get rid of the inferiority complex?

      They just have a complex of "super-races" - they are "MOST-MOST"! .. Squeeze such a "super-man" in the doorway - he will put such a bunch in his pants! .. I remember there was a case when the Americans came to us by deligation, the cowboy was one hedgehog until one drunken local gentleman gave him in his ear! The cops arrived, tied up a local, took him across the street, neighing as he hit the Yankees, but let him go!
      1. 0
        August 12 2019
        the most drown! coastal defense will shoot their pelvis in minutes
    36. +1
      August 12 2019
      Information for consideration ... From open sources .....
      Publisher and CEO of the American journal The National Interest
      Dmitry Konstantinovich Simis (Dmitry Simes), whose grandfather Misha Simis was kicked in 1937 from the leadership of the Industrial Bank of the USSR but also in the 50s who barked completely alive at the Soviet regime (by the way about bloody gebna and terror) ...
      Papa Kostya Simis is an employee of Radio Liberty ...
      In January 1973, at the age of twenty-five, he emigrated with his wife to the United States ...
      This is all for understanding who is the boss in this very “The National Interest”, and whether it is worth believing the grandson, son and the most ardent enemy of Russia Mitya Simis and the information of his publication ...
      By the way, on the First Federal Channel, they, with the same granddaughter of only Molotov - Slava Nikonov - broadcast in 2019 in the spirit of Russian-American understanding with elements of a telebridge ...

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