Russian historian ponders the question "who will keep the future"

One of the topics that have been discussed in our country for decades, is the theme of the "imminent collapse of the West."

This topic was almost constantly discussed during the existence of the Soviet Union. This topic is often raised quite often even now - after the collapse of the USSR, and "not having waited" for the collective West.

The TV Day channel also raises this topic, on the air of which the opinion of Russian historian Andrei Fursov is presented. The expert considers modern society and offers his vision of the question - which way the society will develop and who will ultimately succeed in such development.

Among the concepts used by Fursov: secondary saving simplification. Ancient Rome is given as an example in this situation. Rome, before the so-called crisis of the third century, experienced a certain change, having degenerated into a civilizational version, steadily existed for almost 200 years - despite the fact that the sunset of Rome could come much earlier.

Andrei Fursov also reflects on the economic “miracles” of the 20th century, when the economies of Germany and Japan, which had been reduced to zero, suddenly showed unprecedented growth and ultimately achieved incredible success. According to the historian, the miracle of the Soviet development option from 1945 to 1975 (approximately) years is included in this group. Moreover, according to Fursov, the cause of all these “miracles” can be considered the available and not wasted completely potential of the countries. He also provided economic breakthroughs, but the whole problem is that the potential is in any case dissected.

Historian: "And here the question already arises: who is who?"

Comments

[Amateur]

I read the article. I thought: what did the author and the moderator really want to say and understood;

Already tomorrow: a clash with Nibiru was suddenly announced (utro.ru)

[Underwater hunter]

Burying the dollar and the "decaying" economy for 30 years in my memory .. In my opinion, if the dollar collapses, then only when it will be beneficial to the American elite and another currency will simply come in its place. Achievements in industry, science, medicine and education should be considered the measure of the weight of any currency. Those countries where these areas are most developed will survive any financial crisis and become even stronger.

[Sunstorm]

Quote: Underwater Hunter

Burying the dollar and the "decaying" economy for 30 years in my memory .. In my opinion, if the dollar collapses, then only when it will be beneficial to the American elite and another currency will simply come in its place. Achievements in industry, science, medicine and education should be considered the measure of the weight of any currency. Those countries where these areas are most developed will survive any financial crisis and become even stronger.

It also seems to me that we will be buried earlier)

[Ali Kokand]

All post-Soviet countries in one way or another fit into the financial and economic system created by the West. No other way. One can expect the collapse of US finances, there are all the prerequisites for this, but financiers there are not done with a finger. Find a way out.

[Mikhail m]

And the dollar is already unknowingly about to collapse, having buried everyone under it. Against this background, the ruble has brilliant prospects.

[Gardamir]

Soon, the elections and the speech of this rebuilder are intended to show that the enemy is not asleep, but the Kremlin, in spite of sanctions, will be able to do everything ..
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[atos_kin]

The Soviet people of the Stalin era deserve immortality.

[tihonmarine]

I support and approve.

[rocket757]

The "miracle" was done by people! The main potential of any country.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

The "miracle" was done by people! The main potential of any country.

Soviet people wanted to restore the country, they wanted to win in everything! The song was ---- WE ARE BORN THAT TO MAKE A FABULOUS TALE!
16 years after such a war, a man was sent to SPACE! They created what no country had!

[rocket757]

Quote: Reptiloid

WE ARE BORN THAT TO MAKE A FABULOUS TALE!

Hi Dmitry
Any medal has TWO sides ..... and a fairy tale also has an antipode, drama! One cannot succeed without the other!
But, let's not talk about sad things, our ancestors COULD, and we, our descendants, still have to WATCH!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

..... our ancestors COULD, but we, our descendants still have to WATCH!

You need to know and be able to talk about the achievements of the Soviet people and the USSR. what happened! Good day, Victor!

[rocket757]

Quote: Reptiloid

what happened!

If you instill in everyone the knowledge of what happened !!! these, the current ones will not be able to twist their affairs without fear that for them everything will end badly!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

..... these, the current ones will not be able to twist their affairs without fear that for them everything will end badly!

Well yes! They have concerns! According to the polls, it turns out that there is interest in that time and respect for the USSR and Stalin. The liberalists are afraid of this, and that’s why it’s dirty!

[rocket757]

Quote: Reptiloid

Liberalists are afraid of this, and therefore slop!

Liber tusovka, this is an amorphous mass consisting at the same time, his Wishlist supports and voices. The primordial enemy, it’s all that the owner \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 'stole owner of everything, everything ... except for our SHOWERS, for now! But specifically targeting our descendants, in which the liber and other riffraff actively helps him.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

..... The original enemy, it’s all that the owner \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 'stole owner of everything, everything ... except for our SOULS, for now! But specifically targeting our descendants, what does the liber actively help him with? ..

Here on this topic was a very necessary article by Roman Skomorokhov. In the HISTORY section ---- About myths! First part. True, I didn’t read it right away because of work .... I don’t have to be late for the carpet part

[Chaldon48]

So it was in the USSR, and now, for almost 30, we are only trying to build something on this foundation, and the results so far are very modest.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Chaldon48

So it was in the USSR, and now, for almost 30, we are only trying to build something on this foundation, and the results so far are very modest.

I wanted to write this in a comment, but decided to leave good only ....
Somewhere on the site there is my poem Cold war, after the news of the Urengoy stake, I wrote. There is such an ending --- And a quarter century has passed,
Since we cheat ....
Fascists ---- where? Where are the Germans?
They reached Urengoy .....

[rocket757]

Quote: Chaldon48

So it was in the USSR, and now

And now they are actively engaged in cooling down the BUILDERS of the most reliable foundation that has been saving us for decades!
What an absurdity!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

..... And now they are actively engaged by cooling .....!

They can do nothing else, just spit poison. Nothing to say about your achievements!

[Revival]

Right now, they will run in and tell you about jeans, "coupon-card panties" and that you just do not want to notice those wonderful changes that are happening around right at every step

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Revival

...... they will tell you ........................... you just do not want to notice those wonderful changes, ......

For a long, long time I did not understand about the deficit, for several years they explained to me here .... And then, as I read about deliberately , but about the economist Leontiev ---- it became clear. Yes, as A.A. Zinoviev wrote letters to Gorbachev.
Unfortunately, I hear about remarkable changes about work from visitors from other regions. There is nowhere wonderful. So here I am very knowledgeable.
At the beginning of the century ----- our Leningrad region used to be very poor and there weren’t many opportunities to go here to work in St. Petersburg; I don’t know how in the USSR.
But now it’s better with the roads, and with work, and with the transit of shortfalls !!!!! Soon, their entire transit will turn into 000000000 !!!!!, all the Leningrad region will get!
But I want everything in the country to live well, and not islands of prosperity. I read that in the Novgorod region a school completely collapsed last year on the eve of September, and there they studied from different places, wrote that they would go somewhere else .....

[Chaldon48]

I will add just before Perestroika and partly during it at the Kometa plant, the older generation probably remembers the tape recorders of this brand. So there they made not only them, in particular, I worked in the department of microelectronic devices. So at this plant, precious metals were not spared. Now this plant is gone and for a long time, it was so "good" without any aviation "bombed" that all the archives "disappeared" and I do not receive a pension for working at this plant, although the products of this plant, I think, are still in warehouses and waiting in the wings.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Chaldon48

..... Now this plant is gone and for a long time, it was so "good" without any aviation "bombed" that all the archives "disappeared" and I do not receive a pension for my work at this plant, although the products of this plant, I think, are still still lie in warehouses and wait in the wings.

Something I heard about the loss of archives what to do .... if I remember, I’ll write ..... time has passed a lot since then .... it's a pity this experience.

[beeper]

Even a Komsomol (trade union, Communist party) ticket for paying membership dues from earnings, it seems, is advised to present in confirmation if there are no other documents for that working period ?!

[Reptiloid]

Yes, such recently appeared tips about the Komsomol and party tickets. A union? And the question is, where are those archives? After all, these tickets were on hand, and registration cards in the committee at work. Or in the district committees. Reflected there. My grandmother has overseen such a committee for LNPO for a long time ....
There were such words ---- to sue, and if the documents were lost through their fault, then disputes in favor of the plaintiff .. This was told to my mother when they retired. But the court did not get it. And how they delayed and tried to force them to rewrite the statement more than once, and then everything would have disappeared these months. Only the pension is still small, but she has the northern ones and retired earlier. And her friend, too, the minimum pension, too, with seayernye.

[beeper]

All the registration cards in the trash for a long time, probably, if not burned ?!
So many any leapfrogs and perturbations, the change of trade unions survived ...
When I was paying, my union card, which was stored in the factory trade union committee, was never found, although the trade unions have been regularly deducted from the salary all these years, now there are no signs!
And that trade union committee also does not exist - the deduction of trade dues is done by the accounting department "automatically", like a quitrent (like a "military tax"), without any report, membership card, registration cards and trade union meetings!
In a factory foundry I constantly meet dusty stacks of folders and papers from our, still Soviet years, archive-dragging (once from the office, along with papers from the tables, the factory owner’s passport was even dragged, almost burned .... howling was then !) for kindling firewood in a pouring ladle, they used to heat it with gas, now we saw factory poplars for firewood .... there are very few people and work left, with banderlogs everything collapses and dies!
The Nazis in ZRada hint that workers do not need to pay pensions, they must take care of themselves, and who else "under the Soviets" worked, they, they say, "worked for the occupiers" and are obliged to die for this under the fence and not "skigliti". ...

[Reptiloid]

There is nothing to say. I'm sorry.
So, and the parents of these Natsiks that flew from the moon, or what? They also worked under the USSR, and many also studied at that time. After all, nevertheless, they left one country.
We have many factories destroyed. Or turned into "abandoned". Or into business centers. I didn't think about their archives.
I’m far from retiring, I can’t even imagine, a little more than 30 years. I somehow don’t think about it and always work in a private enterprise and the working time is not limited by anything.
And the testimonies of living people, who worked with you?
Mom was offered to provide such witnesses ..... somehow forgot .... what. But, she said that this was not necessary, because everything was visible from her documents. True, she wrote some letters to the police, where they lived then, called a lot ....
Now, you can probably look for someone through the Internet .... We live just next to the pension fund, 5 minutes on foot, despite the fact that there are more than 500000 inhabitants in the area
And the other is not clear. Previously, they say all these pensions were issued in frames at work, they made inquiries. And there were no computers. But now it’s not so. And whether the pension fund makes any requests, I do not know. With an increased number of employees and total computerization.

[beeper]

Fair?! In the same way, in your years I did not think about retirement, I only listened abstractly to the gossip stories of our factory pre-pensioners and pensioners.
My mother was "children of war", with an underground miner's experience, after the war she worked in a mine and studied at the institute in vespers .... more than 40 years of work experience and even under the Soviet Union she found herself living a little on a Soviet miner's pension, and then, with "independence ", the Ukrainian authorities equalized everyone, regardless of their seniority, and even these beggarly pensions in the 90s and early 00s did not pay on time, they deliberately starved and in every possible way humiliated and broke our militants, with the psychology of Winners, Soviet old men-war and labor veterans, so that they were more nervous and quickly "exhaled" .... my dad, who survived the Nazi concentration camp and never surrendered even to terrible ailments, at the very beginning of the mocking "independence" after the collapse of the Soviet Union, he somehow immediately passed and died ...

By all the maximum Ukrainian standards, I have enough work experience, but, by age, the Ukrainian authorities will come up with how I can not live up to retirement, so as not to pay it!
The old sports training, psychological stability skills and the absence of bad habits, even despite past injuries and radiation, still allow me to stay in good shape and even perform hard physical work in the workplace .... but somehow I don’t see myself retired in the future, which something like this picture is not drawn to me, there is no successful intuitive foreboding ...
All the best and health to you and your family, dear aka Reptiloid!

[Reptiloid]

Thank you for your kind words, dear comrade. With respect to you and your life, your work. I'm ----- Dmitry.

[beeper]

PS Those natsyuki who are now in the ZRada (and their "front men" too) are already grown up children of the deribaners of our National Property - nomenklatura komrenagatov and their close servants, as well as legalized bandyugans and thieves, whoever you take! Diluted by the "wiped out" and ATO hucksters "who have risen" on armed robbery and looting!
They are accustomed to parasitizing with impunity on the working people and do not bear any responsibility for the future and the country, they are terribly far from the people, and therefore blather awkwardly!

[Reptiloid]

Maybe you heard, read, some words of our officials:
The state owes nothing
The state did not ask to give birth,
Drunks, parasites, who have a small pension,
Turn off the electricity for the poor at night ...
All these statements, their anger and aggression show that officials do not even understand that their place is not only the right to lead an easy life, but also the responsibility of responsibility for the people, for the population of the country!

[beeper]

Honestly, Dmitry, I already wrote about this in the comments to a very recent Article about "progressive social inequality" destroying Russia, including about snickering Russian bureaucrats, posted on the subsidiary VO site topcor.ru
Although I usually refrain from this, I think that this is “not my pig's business” - for me, a Ukrainian citizen, to interfere with criticism in Russian “processes LIKE Ukrainian ones (I still didn’t have enough“ under the gun ”of the Russian FSB and the Investigative Committee to get as if the "sight" of the Maidan is not enough!) "

[Reptiloid]

Yes, I also wrote it already. But we do not read everything! It is impossible to read everything. And as one local author said information should be condensed.
Respect !

[beeper]

Yes! Each hut has its own rattles! But there is also something in common - an "untouchable" parasitic "superstructure of" snickering "privatizers of the National Property with the" heirs "and the camarilla servants!
Mutually!