Ankara will never recognize Crimea as Russian. Erdogan repays for C-400

Turkish President Recep Erdogan said that his country has not recognized and will never recognize Crimea as Russian. Ankara did not particularly hide its position on the Crimean peninsula, but against the backdrop of increasing cooperation between Turkey and Russia, the words of the head of state are rather offensive.




Why Erdogan does not want to recognize Crimea as Russian


The words that Turkey does not recognize the Crimean peninsula as Russian were made during the meeting of Recep Erdogan with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky. It is clear that Erdogan has his own plans for relations with Ukraine. After all, Ukraine in any case remains one of the Black Sea states and its ties with Turkey are really close. Actually, Zelensky heard what he wanted to hear. But Erdogan did not show the slightest tact in relation to Russia, with which cooperation has so far developed quite successfully.

Erdogan didn’t just have to avoid the Crimean question in his conversation with Zelensky or at least not make clear statements. But he chose a harsh statement, designed not even for Zelensky or Putin, but for the West. It is unprofitable for the Turkish president to completely break off relations with the West, with the European Union, so he wanted to demonstrate that Turkey did not come under Russian influence and the purchase of C-400 does not mean anything.

Ankara will never recognize Crimea as Russian. Erdogan repays for C-400


In Turkey, as you know, they are actively speculating on the Crimean Tatar issue. What can be done, more than two centuries have passed since the entry of Crimea into Russia, and for Turkish nationalists this fact itself is still offensive. After all, before the annexation of Crimea, the Black Sea was actually the internal Turkish. But everything is changing, empires are crumbling, but for Recep Erdogan with his neo-Ottoman ambitions, the Crimean question remains very painful.

In addition, in Turkey itself there is a fairly large diaspora of the descendants of the Crimean Tatar Muhajirs who did not want to live in the Russian Empire and moved to Asia Minor. They, for obvious reasons, have historical resentment against the Russian state and they expect that the Turkish authorities will support them and this resentment to share and strongly support anti-Russian aspirations. The number of the Crimean Tatar community in Turkey, according to various sources, ranges from 500 thousand to 6 million people. But it is safe to say that today there are more Crimean Tatars and their descendants in Turkey than in Russia and especially in Ukraine.

Of course, the ideal for the Turkish side would be the creation, if not of a Crimean Tatar state, then of broad Crimean Tatar autonomy on the territory of the peninsula. But Erdogan and his entourage are well aware that this is an unattainable goal, especially if Crimea is part of Russia. But as part of Ukraine, on the basis of the anti-Russian hysteria of the Ukrainian authorities, such a development of events could well have been realized.



Not Turkey to raise the issue of Crimea


Although during the twenty-three years that Crimea was part of the sovereign Ukrainian state, the situation of the Crimean Tatars did not change in any way. Yes, there was a certain group of representatives of the Crimean Tatar people who received some benefits, profited from their political activities, but for ordinary residents of the Crimean Tatar nationality in Russia it even got better.

It is no accident that the representatives of the Crimean Tatar public themselves reacted quite sharply to Erdogan's words.

Before making statements regarding the Crimean Tatars and the status of Crimea, Erdogan should at least ask about the mood of the Crimean Tatars themselves in Crimea and start a dialogue with representatives of the people from Crimea, and not with the outcasts who escaped from Crimea,

- said the head of the Crimean national-cultural autonomy of the Crimean Tatars Eyvaz Umerov.

By the way, unlike Ukraine, Russia has rich experience in building relations with Muslim and Turkic peoples. The Russian Federation includes a number of national republics with the titular Turkic peoples. Representatives of Turkic and Muslim peoples in Russia have brilliant career prospects. In contrast, by the way, from the same Ukraine, in Russia they quietly rose to ministerial posts.

The return of Crimea to Russia provided the Crimean Tatars with an opportunity for much closer interaction with the related peoples of Russia, integration into the Russian Muslim community. Post-Soviet Ukraine did not and could not provide Crimean Tatars with any of this. Therefore, Eyvaz Umerov recommended Erdogan to first take an interest in the moods of the Crimean Tatars themselves, and only then draw some conclusions.

Moreover, the Crimean Tatars themselves, like the Ukrainians, in the game that both the West and Turkey are playing against Russia have only the role of pawns, which can be neglected, which can simply be sent for slaughter. Fortunately, an increasing part of the Crimean Tatar activists themselves understand this.

But in Ankara they see what they want to see. And at the meeting between Erdogan and Zelensky, by the way, Mr. Mustafa Dzhemilev was also present. This man in Soviet times was the “human rights activist No. 1” from the Crimean Tatars, the leader of the national movement, spent many years in Soviet prisons. He hates Russia with all his heart and, naturally, in 2014 he immediately took a pro-Ukrainian position.

In addition to the primordial ideological hatred of Russia, Dzhemilev perfectly understood that after the reunification of Crimea with Russia, he would lose the opportunities that he possessed when the peninsula became part of Ukraine. In Russia, by the way, Dzhemilev is on the federal wanted list for extremist activities; he was arrested in absentia by the Kiev District Court of Simferopol. That is, to be completely frank, except Zelensky, Erdogan also met with a man who is a state criminal for Russia.

By the way, do not forget that the multinational Crimea has a very ancient history and the Crimean Tatars there are not an indigenous ethnic group. Crimea is the historical land not only of the Crimean Tatars, but also of the Greeks, Crimean Armenians, Karaites, Crimeans. And for the Russian people, Crimea is also their native land. It is only part of Russia for almost two and a half centuries, and the history of the Slavs in Crimea has more than a thousand years.

And if we recall that before Russia there was a Crimean Khanate in Crimea, then why not remember that before the Khanate, which appeared after the invasion of the Mongol-Tatar troops in Crimea, the Orthodox principality of Gotia (Theodoro) and the ancient Russian Tmutarakan principality, the Genoese were in Crimea trading post, Byzantine Chersonesus? The descendants of the Crimean Armenians and Greeks, by the way, have not disappeared anywhere and also have every right to call the Crimean Peninsula their native land.

Someone, but not Ankara, should raise the question of the original affiliation or the indigenous population of certain territories in the Mediterranean and Black Sea regions. At one time, the Christian civilization of Asia Minor was destroyed by the Seljuks and Ottomans, and the Greek and Armenian populations were either destroyed, forcibly converted to Islam, or forced out of the Turkish state. By the way, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, which has existed for fifty years with the connivance of the NATO countries, of which Turkey and Greece are members, for some reason does not make Erdogan want to speculate on the originality of the island of Cyprus.

How to answer Erdogan


Erdogan’s words about Crimea’s belonging once again showed that Turkey cannot be considered an ally or even a neutral partner of Russia. For example, India, Angola or Indonesia can be neutral with respect to Russia - those countries that have no common borders with us, have no common past. Turkey is an active and ambitious country, with a claim to some special role in the Black Sea region, offended by Russia for the loss of vast territories in the Black Sea and the Balkans. After all, whatever you say, it was thanks to Russia that the Ottomans at one time lost not only the Crimea, but also the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus, their possessions on the Balkan Peninsula. And it would be naive to think that in modern Turkey they forgot about it.

The strategic interests of Russia and Turkey do not coincide at all and will not coincide. It is beneficial for us when Erdogan tries to demonstrate his independence from the USA or Europe, but that’s all. And then between Russia and Turkey, deep contradictions begin.

Turkey never hid its aspirations to play the role of such a spiritual and ideological leader for the entire Turkic-speaking world. Since the collapse of the USSR, Turkish emissaries have been very active in the Turkic-speaking regions of Russia, in the Muslim republics of the North Caucasus. Erdogan is interested in if not independent Crimea, then Crimea as part of a weak state, to which Turkey can dictate its terms. And Ukraine, for lack of it, is best suited for this role.

As for the Crimea, Turkey will be much more principled in the Crimean issue than the countries of Europe and even the USA. After all, the USA, Great Britain, France, Germany do not have a historical, emotionally filled connection with Crimea. The peninsula is not symbolic for them, it is not connected with the history of the rise and decline of these states. And it is no accident that in 2018 the Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu even criticized the European countries, which, in his opinion, began to forget about the problem of the Crimean peninsula.

But Russia can and should answer Erdogan to his boorish attacks. The Turkish president welcomes the extremist leaders who are wanted in Russia - please, there is the Kurdistan Workers Party and its leaders. What prevents them from meeting? To discuss the situation in Turkish Kurdistan? And this is just one of the possible answers to the actions of the Turkish president.

There are economic levers. When Russia imposed economic sanctions against Turkey, Ankara suffered much more than our country. In the end, our tourists can relax in other countries - the world is big, but for Turkey it will not be possible to replace the same number of Russian tourists with visiting tourists from other countries.

However, in Turkey itself, politicians oriented towards good neighborly relations with Russia are well aware that Erdogan must openly recognize Crimea as Russian. Such an idea was made, for example, by one of the oldest Turkish politicians, the head of the Turkish party Vatan ("Homeland") Dogu Perincek (pictured).

Erdogan understands that Crimea belongs to Russia. For the further development of our relations, it remains only to openly say this to the people,

- emphasizes Perincek.

Sooner or later, Turkey will still have to finally decide on its place in world politics. And if Turkey wants to develop relations with its neighbors, and not play the role of an American puppet, in which case one of the first blows can be inflicted, it is time for it to abandon anti-Russian rhetoric.
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  1. Svarog 12 August 2019 15: 07 New
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    Ankara will never recognize Crimea as Russian

    Never say never..
    1. Tatyana 12 August 2019 15: 23 New
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      Ankara will never recognize Crimea as Russian. Erdogan repays for C-400

      I warned about this all the time and I say!

      What the hell did Russia need Erdogan to sell C-400 for ?!

      Erdogan will also go to our war with our entire C-400 all of Turkey! He has enough "mind" for it! Sultan in Fez!
      1. Svarog 12 August 2019 15: 39 New
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        Quote: Tatiana
        What the hell did Russia need Erdogan to sell C-400 for ?!

        This question is really not clear, especially considering that it is on credit. It is hoped that the technical characteristics of the C400 for the Turks are underestimated ..
        1. Barmaleyka 12 August 2019 16: 30 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          that the technical characteristics of the C400 for the Turks are underestimated ..

          in fact, as if for all military complexes that are delivered for the cordon, there are export options
          1. truba 12 August 2019 16: 43 New
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            Why are everyone so attached to the c400? why doesn’t anyone remember that Russia has been building nuclear power plants in Turkey for a long time, and this is completely different money) and this is normal for Turkey to go to that very club)
            1. Harry.km 12 August 2019 17: 38 New
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              Quote: truba
              Russia has long been building nuclear power plants in Turkey, and this is completely different money

              And these are completely different loans))) With this nuclear power plant it is even funnier than with the S-400, although at one time the ersatz patriots vigorously admired the expansion of Rosatom to the south. But there, firstly, everything is on credit, and secondly, Russia is responsible for everything even, for the safety of the area where the nuclear power plant is located, with all the consequences ... But the area there is far from calm.
              1. ccsr 12 August 2019 21: 27 New
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                Quote: Harry.km
                With this nuclear power plant it is even funnier than with the S-400, although at one time the ersatz patriots vigorously admired the expansion of the Rosatom to the south. But there firstly everything is on credit,

                Actually, interest is paid for using a loan. But this is not even the point, but the fact that thanks to the interstate agreement, the Turkish government acts as a guarantor of his return. But this is not the main thing - the most important thing is that we have loaded our capacities for the production and construction of nuclear power plants, and this has a favorable effect on our entire economy, including the entire GDP.
                Quote: Harry.km
                And the area there is far from calm.

                So there are no their quiet areas - calm Bulgaria threw us, and now what?
                1. Harry.km 12 August 2019 21: 42 New
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                  Quote: ccsr
                  Actually, interest is paid for using a loan.

                  Quite true in the case of Akkuyu 3% for 30 years. Ukraine acted as a guarantor for a gas loan, so what? Where is the money? For some reason, the Japanese refused to build the second Sinop NPP according to such a scheme ... And indeed no one in the world builds NPPs on the principle of "build-own-operate" and even with tariffs fixed for 25 years (in my opinion, such term) electricity. Oh yes ... and another 50% of the revenue should be given to the very government that acts as a guarantor. That is, we will write off a loan to ourselves. The Turks, except for this very guarantee, do not invest a cent.
                  1. Barmaleyka 12 August 2019 22: 07 New
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                    Quote: Harry.km
                    in the case of Akkuy, 3% for 30 years.

                    CONTRACT WILL BE?? !!!!
                  2. ccsr 13 August 2019 12: 27 New
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                    Quote: Harry.km
                    Quite true in the case of Akkuyu 3% for 30 years.

                    This is a normal percentage, American securities at the same level.
                    Quote: Harry.km
                    Ukraine acted as a guarantor for a gas loan, so what? Where is the money?

                    And who told you that they were written off? Moreover, time will pass, crazy people in Ukraine will decrease, and then they themselves will come to ask for money, including with us. So this still does not mean anything, because the credit history of the state affects the rating, and this is a strong whip for Ukraine.
                    Quote: Harry.km
                    And indeed, no one in the world is building nuclear power plants on the principle of "build-own-operate-operate" and even with electricity tariffs fixed for 25 years (in my opinion, such a period).

                    And now what follows from this? You apparently forget that Turkey has the largest economic potential, twice the population of Ukraine and our gas pipelines are also important to them, so there will always be leverage.
                    Quote: Harry.km
                    The Turks, except for this very guarantee, do not invest a cent.

                    This is just a pilot project on our part - Turkey will need a few more of these nuclear power plants, so we’re not such coots when they plant the first station cheaply and for their money.
                2. kuz363 13 August 2019 09: 59 New
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                  Actually, the Ukrainian government was also the guarantor of the return of the loan of 3 billion.!
              2. truba 12 August 2019 21: 34 New
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                Is it possible that proofs are all on credit? And what's so funny about selling the c400? And in my opinion the fact that under our protection is a matter of course, there a bunch of valuable personnel work
                1. Harry.km 12 August 2019 21: 53 New
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                  And in my opinion the fact that under our protection is a matter of course

                  This is exactly in your opinion. And the protection of such objects implies not only the protection of the perimeter and barrels with solarium. And how many our guards will have to hold there and at what price such protection will come to us if Mersin is the main province of compact Kurdish residence, 70 km to Syria. We have banned the passage of aircraft over nuclear power plants, and who will carry out the air defense of the Akkuyu facility? Straight, and the desire to write that C400 will be ... those that are also on credit and with truncated characteristics, as it has been written more than once in the comments. That is, for the protection of a virtually Russian facility, we supply a cropped complex. Or is it still full? And who will recruit staff and how? You are aware that there already found cracks in the foundation, but the host is engaged in the construction of bricks.
                  1. Barmaleyka 12 August 2019 22: 06 New
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                    . We have banned the passage of aircraft over nuclear power plants, and who will carry out the air defense of the Akkuyu facility?

                    Once again, the contract in the studio otherwise it's all OBS
                  2. Simargl 13 August 2019 12: 33 New
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                    Are you aware that there already found cracks in the foundation,
                    ff course!
                    “Cracks appeared last year during the selection of concrete mix, that is, during the trial pouring of concrete. Cracks can occur at the stage of mixture selection, this is a normal workflow."- explained RBC a source at Rosatom, adding that as a result a mixture was selected that eliminates the appearance of cracks.
                    And what?

                    Quote: Harry.km
                    and just the construction of bricks, the host is engaged.
                    Everything, practically, that relates to reactor safety is a monolith, without a single brick.
              3. Barmaleyka 12 August 2019 22: 04 New
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                Quote: Harry.km
                But there firstly everything is on credit

                pay on a loan?
                Quote: Harry.km
                and secondly, Russia is responsible for everything even, for the safety of the area where the nuclear power plant is located, with all the consequences ... But the area there is far from calm.

                Can you bring the clauses of the contract?
                1. truba 12 August 2019 23: 01 New
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                  Yes, he can’t do anything, just talk, for him this is the level of construction of the shopping center, Turkey is preparing a nuclear program for itself, and the person is worried about the air defense of the facility
                2. Harry.km 13 August 2019 15: 55 New
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                  Can you bring the clauses of the contract?

                  Dear, excuse me for my audacity, but why do you need a contract?)))) If you knew the intricacies of such documents, then I’m sure you wouldn’t suffer from nonsense in the comments. Well, if you want and the moderators will not erase, then I will give you a link to the entire contract. Read, analyze ... Consider this basic agreement.
                  http://asozd2.duma.gov.ru/main.nsf/%28Spravka%29?OpenAgent&RN=433159-5&
                  1. Harry.km 13 August 2019 15: 59 New
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                    this is a basic agreement

                    And here on this link
                    http://www.proatom.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3715
                    you can read what the experts say and compare with the agreement. Fortunately, a link to the official version is available (see above)
          2. Alf
            Alf 13 August 2019 08: 22 New
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            Quote: Barmaleyka
            in fact, as if for all military complexes that are delivered for the cordon, there are export options

            So it was in the days of the Empire, now it is not necessary.
        2. Alf
          Alf 13 August 2019 08: 21 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          It is hoped that the technical characteristics of the C400 for the Turks are underestimated ..

          All that remains is to hope.
      2. Same lech 12 August 2019 15: 51 New
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        Turkish Sultan now swears friendship to GDP smile naturally holding a scimitar behind his back ready to stick Putin in the back ... I hope Vladimir Vladimirovich is ready to apply a judoka technique in response.
        1. Doliva63 12 August 2019 17: 23 New
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          Quote: The same Lech
          Turkish Sultan now swears friendship to GDP smile naturally holding a scimitar behind his back ready to stick Putin in the back ... I hope Vladimir Vladimirovich is ready to apply a judoka technique in response.

          In my opinion, in sports judo there is no weapon at all, so it won’t pull against the scimitar laughing
          1. Fan-fan 12 August 2019 20: 03 New
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            apply judo technique in response.

            So it’s always like this, only in response, only to wait for when they first begin, but they cannot act ahead of our time? Even the capture of the Crimea was a reaction to the first move of the Americans in Ukraine, i.e. Putin simply answered, snapped at their attack. Putin does not seem to be able to prevent their actions. And for Erdogan, it is high time for Putin to hold the same scimitar behind his back. And the author agrees that Erdogan humiliates Putin by such actions.
          2. Barmaleyka 12 August 2019 22: 05 New
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            Quote: Doliva63
            In my opinion, in sports judo

            Are you sure that I was afraid of PU only studied a sports option?
            1. Doliva63 13 August 2019 16: 43 New
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              Quote: Barmaleyka
              Quote: Doliva63
              In my opinion, in sports judo

              Are you sure that I was afraid of PU only studied a sports option?

              I think it’s unlikely that the KGB kept a separate instructor for Putin laughing And before the KGB, yes, only a "sports option."
        2. PPD
          PPD 12 August 2019 20: 29 New
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          And that only Putin Judo owns. Can't find anyone else?
          Given that this is politics, not sparring?
        3. kapitan92 12 August 2019 20: 59 New
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          Quote: The same Lech
          Turkish Sultan now swears friendship to GDP smile naturally holding a scimitar behind his back ready to stick Putin in the back ... I hope Vladimir Vladimirovich is ready to apply a judoka technique in response.

          He is not up to it, he thinks about the rating !!! fellow
      3. Mikhail m 12 August 2019 15: 53 New
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        Erdogan will also go to our war with our entire S-400 all over Turkey!

        I would like to know how he will do it? Even if you do not consider our experts to be complete idiots who disinterestedly present weapons to the enemy against themselves.
        1. Fan-fan 12 August 2019 20: 06 New
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          How? Of course, he will not trample on Russia, but in Turkey he can easily unleash a war, Idlib he has already captured and has experience of war against us, remember the downed Su24. And now we can’t tuck into Idlib, we need to ask Erdoan for permission.
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          Alf 13 August 2019 08: 25 New
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          Quote: Michael m
          Even if you do not consider our experts to be complete idiots who disinterestedly present weapons to the enemy against themselves.

          And to decide which weapons to sell, normal or castrated, will specialists and someone higher?
      4. Barmaleyka 12 August 2019 16: 28 New
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        Quote: Tatiana
        What the hell did Russia need Erdogan to sell C-400 for ?!

        would not sell we sold our systems Americans
        Quote: Tatiana
        Erdogan will also go to our war with our entire S-400 all over Turkey!

        I don’t even see the point
      5. Klingon 12 August 2019 16: 36 New
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        beyond that to embroil Turkey with the stripes and NATO. And the more they quarrel, the better for Russia. Therefore, we should also sell Erdogan and Su-35.
        But the S-400 is still an export option and the ability to turn it off by our own electronic warfare means is of course provided.
        This is a game several moves ahead, you need to think strategically and not with momentary decisions.
        And by the way, I would, in the place of our leadership, whisper to Erdogan’s ear between things about the tourism business.
        And then, no matter how long we would have to wait for our tourists again for a long time and then at the Antalya airport, meet flowers and champagne laughing
      6. To be or not to be 12 August 2019 17: 05 New
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        1. Turkey will never go to war with Russia.
        Even in World War II she had the mind not to fight
        And for now, she is a member of NATO.
        Yes, she has been fighting the Kurds for more than a dozen years and no end is visible. And tied by them.
        With Greece, not all Thank God. Eternal problems from = Aegean islands
        Yes, and economically not ready for a big war
        2. Why sold the S-400
        -arms market. (the eternal struggle for sales markets) The Turkish market has already partially become available to the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation and the blow to the military-industrial complex of the USA is not for nothing that they were shaking badly ..

        -in the same plan, the service and improvement of the air defense system will be Russian, and this
        interaction
        - design, development and manufacturing of the complex is paid
        - somehow BV Putin answered the correspondent’s question: “Why does the Russian Federation sell modern weapons?” His answer was ... we sell such weapons. Which we have an order of magnitude better
        3 In Crimea. It is ridiculous to expect his recognition from Turkey. Yes, and does it need this recognition ??
        This is Turkey’s non-recognition of Crimea as Russia. Russia will play with the Turks more than once ....
        4. Judging by the events in Turkey, the United States will not leave Erdogan alone and will again prepare some muck And then he needs a reliable situational ally ...
      7. Cocaine 12 August 2019 18: 09 New
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        Quote: Tatiana
        I warned about this all the time and I say!
        What the hell did Russia need Erdogan to sell C-400 for ?!

        This is an export version of Tatyana and you do not need to worry so much. Russia already has the S-500, etc. on the way.

        Quote: Tatiana
        Erdogan will also go to our war with our entire C-400 all of Turkey! He has enough "mind" for it! Sultan in Fez!

        I’m afraid, judging by the hostilities against the Kurds .. But how intriguing is possible, judging by how he smiles with Zelensky-Israel and even signed something (will they broadcast the 95th quarter in Turkey?))))
        Everything will be fine Tatyana love It’s difficult for Russia now, but they give two unbeaten for a beaten
      8. Shelest2000 12 August 2019 19: 02 New
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        What the hell did Russia need Erdogan to sell C-400 for ?!

        Just a business. Nothing personal.
      9. Victor N 12 August 2019 19: 31 New
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        Trusting the Turks is the height of naivety, to say the least. I don’t understand how the Russians risk going to Turkey on vacation, eating their food (????) ..... They have driven us into slavery for hundreds of years and mocked them. I don’t think they’ve been reborn great.
        1. Cat man null 12 August 2019 22: 26 New
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          I don’t understand how the Russians risk going to Turkey on vacation, eating their food

          Nice banter, plus good
        2. kuz363 13 August 2019 10: 02 New
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          No risk! Safer than in the Caucasus.
      10. ProkletyiPirat 12 August 2019 21: 29 New
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        Quote: Tatiana
        What the hell did Russia need Erdogan to sell C-400 for ?!

        Then because of this
        1) we received the money (order)
        2) we conducted a spectacular advertisement
        3) we gave the Turks the opportunity to put pressure on NATO in order to obtain benefits (for the Turks, direct is beneficial for us indirect)
        Now attention is a question, but What WE (RF) will receive from the recognition of Crimea as part of the Russian Federation by Turkey? PMSM is beneficial to us in this, no, if you see any benefit then write.
        1. Tatyana 12 August 2019 23: 53 New
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          Quote: ProkletyiPirat
          Now, the question is, what will WE (the Russian Federation) receive from the recognition of Crimea as part of the Russian Federation by Turkey? PMSM is beneficial to us in this, no, if you see any benefit then write.
          Why don’t you understand when everything is clear, like God's day ?!

          First of all. In order to start a PREVENTIVE war, the aggressor needs to fulfill 2 important conditions according to the classical rules of warfare:
          1. Find active allies in the war to attack the victim country of aggression, and also find countries that are guaranteed to take a neutral position in the war and not take the side of the victim country, i.e. will also take a PASSIVE participation in the war on the side of the aggressor.
          Naturally, each ally - a participant in the aggression - will be promised their "dividends" - basically the expansion of their own territories and vital resources due to capture from the victim country.
          2. The "tops" of the aggressor country must obtain from their people and the world community approval and consent to an aggressive war against the victim country, giving its predatory war a form of just retribution for the victim country. For this, the aggressors need to demonize the victim country in the eyes of the entire world community.

          This is what Erdogan is doing, not recognizing the Russian Crimea as RUSSIAN and thereby pushing Ukraine and the NATO / Pentagon to war with the Russian Federation!

          By the way, Poroshenko long ago promised Erdogan to lease Crimea to Turkey for financial and armed (Turkish militants) Turkey’s support of the unruly Kiev against Russia in organizing the blockade of Russian Crimea and returning it to Ukraine! And such support by Erdogan is already secretly so go differently to Ukraine!
          1. ProkletyiPirat 13 August 2019 00: 47 New
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            HMMM Tatyana, and you thought how “fair retaliation” would be perceived when Turkey refuses to transfer Crimea to Ukraine? Moreover, why should Erdagan use the Crimean-Ukrainian occasion if it is much more profitable to use the Crimean Tatar occasion because he will have no problems with the slogans “return Crimea to the Ukrainians, you promised, you’re liberators!”
            But most importantly, I asked What is the benefit of Russia from the recognition of Crimea from Turkey? you have not answered this question, because what prevents to terminate the contract? moreover, on completely legitimate grounds, for example, to organize a mini-revolution of a soft sense, “allegedly” displace Erdogan and break off some of the agreements signed by him. In general, there would be an opportunity to capture, and there was no reason to find a problem, in extreme cases, you can create it. Here it’s even much more profitable to recognize in order to divert attention, and the ability to knock out preferences for recognition is also not bad. But we come back to What is the benefit of Russia from the recognition of Crimea from Turkey? and the benefits are real, not imaginary.
            1. Tatyana 13 August 2019 02: 01 New
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              Yes, Erdogan is not going to return anything to anyone if Turkey grabs Crimea!

              Ukraine is a bankrupt country and keeps afloat only thanks exclusively to the United States and partly to Germany.
              Now Zelensky will adopt a law on the sale of land - and geopolitically it will be done away with Ukraine. It will be territorially sold out and broken up.
              At the same time, Erdogan has secretly paid Poroshenko for the rental of Crimea by Turkey for 50 years.
              Here in the Crimea and not only Turkey’s competitive interests with the United States clearly clash. The cooling of relations between Erdogan and the United States on the purchase of C-400 also has this - Crimean - background.
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              But most importantly, I asked what is the benefit of Russia from the recognition of Crimea from Turkey?
              I answered you. That, according to paragraph 2 of the rules for unleashing a war against Russia, the recognition of Crimea by Russia does not give aggressors a reason to demonize Russia in the eyes of the world community, which disrupts the aggressor’s plans to unleash TMV against Russia with impunity, with all the ensuing favorable consequences for Russia.
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                Yes, Erdogan is not going to

                And judging by your logic, he is going to shoot himself in the leg, in the sense of declaring a holy liberation war with the subsequent expropriation of the Crimea. As for me, he is not so stupid, and the "liberation war of the oppressed peoples" is much more profitable for the neo-Ottoman.

                Quote: Tatiana
                I answered you.

                Papers they are such pieces of paper ... If necessary, Turkey is easier and more effective to raise the topic of the capture of Crimea from the Russian Empire and restore the "historical justice of a divided people." Well, or at worst, raise the sacraques on the topic of oppressed small nationalities and start the process of their liberation. That is, if you still don’t understand, Turkey, recognizing the Crimea, if necessary, will still be able to organize a cause for war, because the Russian Federation doesn’t make any difference to “desire” such recognition ... In general, they recognize it well, they don’t recognize it, it’s also good. ..
                1. Tatyana 13 August 2019 04: 05 New
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                  You asked me
                  Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                  What is the benefit of Russia from the recognition of Crimea from Turkey?
                  I just answered this question for you. Prevention of a war of aggression on Russia.

                  As for Erdogan and Turkey.
                  Erdogan pursues his own electoral goals. Moreover, speaking about the interests of the Crimean Tatars, he actually Machiavellian means primarily the interests of the "Tatar" diaspora of Turkey itself for resettlement in Crimea. Namely, the resettlement of assimilated Turkish Tatars in the Crimea with the aim of deceiving the indigenous Tatar population in Crimea itself.

                  Erdogan, as he was obsessed, still remains obsessed with the consistent implementation of the revival of the former Ottoman Empire - all the way to the territory of the Balkans.
                  Erdogan is an inveterate Turkish nationalist who sees himself only as the Sultan of the Neo-Ottoman Empire.
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                    Quote: Tatiana
                    You asked me
                    Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                    What is the benefit of Russia from the recognition of Crimea from Turkey?
                    I just answered this question for you. Prevention of a war of aggression on Russia.

                    Well, I’ve already painted more than once that this is personally your self-deception, and that your self-deception has no benefit for the Russian Federation.
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Erdogan is an inveterate Turkish nationalist who sees himself only as the Sultan of the Neo-Ottoman Empire.

                    Well, then what? Well, he wants, let him want, as they say "to want is not harmful, it is harmful not to want" So personally, I personally respect him for this, because I think that this is a reasonable position for the supreme ruler (regardless of the legal designation of his position). Well, it’s all better than what any Mosque countries have to do with neighbors at the first request of the “master”. Yes, and all sorts of attacks there \ non-aggression depends not so much on Turkey and NATO as on ourselves.
                    1. Tatyana 13 August 2019 15: 37 New
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                      Quote: ProkletyiPirat
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                      Erdogan is an inveterate Turkish nationalist who sees himself only as the Sultan of the Neo-Ottoman Empire.
                      Well, then what? Well, he wants, let him want, as they say, “wanting is not harmful, it’s harmful not to want”. So I personally respect him for that because I think that this is a reasonable position for the supreme ruler (regardless of the legal designation of his position). Well, it’s all better than what any Mosque countries have to do with neighbors at the first request of the “master”.

                      According to your logic, you and Hitler are also able to justify.
                      Your logic is strange! Do not find? And here I find.
                      1. ccsr 13 August 2019 19: 54 New
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                        According to your logic, you and Hitler are also able to justify.

                        Until June 22, we had an Agreement with him, so do not speculate with this example.
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        According to your logic, you and Hitler are also able to justify.

                        Until June 22, we had an Agreement with him, so do not speculate with this example.

                        And what do you want to prove to me, saying that I supposedly speculate in your opinion?
                        Do you think that - Erdogan has no imperial neo-Ottoman ambitions - and exactly the same as Hitler's nationalist in Germany did ?!

                        Well, the Soviet Union and Hitler had a forced peace treaty before the Second World War, since the Western "allies" of the USSR against Germany simply "secretly" threw the USSR, having previously concluded a peace treaty with Germany against the USSR secret from the USSR.

                        The conclusion of a peace treaty between the USSR and Hitler Germany in such conditions allowed the USSR to simply delay the military offensive of Germany against the USSR and nothing more - i.e. allowed to delay the start of the war of Germany against the USSR and move its state borders away from Soviet territory, but not to cancel the war itself, as such, - Germany with Soviet Russia!

                        The same thing happens with Turkish Erdogan as Hitler!
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        And what do you want to prove to me, saying that I supposedly speculate in your opinion?

                        At least by putting Erdogan on a par with Hitler, they just brought the Fuhrer as an argument, hinting at the consequences.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Do you think that - Erdogan has no imperial neo-Ottoman ambitions - and exactly the same as Hitler's nationalist in Germany did ?!

                        We do not care about them - we are a nuclear power capable of destroying any country in the world, and on this basis we must apply to all the shtetl kings.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        The conclusion of a peace treaty between the USSR and Hitler Germany in such conditions allowed the USSR to simply delay the military offensive of Germany against the USSR and nothing more - i.e. allowed to delay the start of the war of Germany against the USSR

                        No educational program - I know this question no worse than you.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        The same thing happens with Turkish Erdogan as Hitler!

                        Do you even understand that your example is clearly inadequate in relation to today's Russia?
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        The same thing happens with Turkish Erdogan as Hitler!
                        Do you even understand that your example is clearly inadequate in relation to today's Russia?
                        Do not say nonsense!

                        Hitler with his Germany actually did not act alone, but was led against the USSR in alliance with European countries and under the control of US intelligence.

                        You, too, are a "wise guy" to me - you have found yourself the geopolitically "lonely" Erdogan and Turkey, as a single country!
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Hitler with his Germany actually did not act alone, but was led against the USSR in alliance with European countries and under the control of US intelligence.

                        And what does this prove in the current situation, when Russia itself can destroy the United States with all its special services?
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        You, too, are a "wise guy" to me - you have found Erdogan and Turkey, as a single country!

                        I did not find him. It’s just that your argument against him reminds me of the theses of the regional propagandist in his speech on some seedy collective farm on the topic of whether there is life on Mars.
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        You, too, are a "wise guy" to me - you found Erdogan and Turkey, as a single country! I did not find him.
                        It’s just that your argument against him reminds me of the theses of the regional propagandist in his speech on some seedy collective farm on the topic of whether there is life on Mars.

                        Regarding my definition of the geopolitical essence of Erdogan and his Turkey, do not get out in front of me like a living one in a hot pan!
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Regarding my definition of the geopolitical essence of Erdogan and his Turkey, do not get out in front of me like a living one in a hot pan!

                        And in my thoughts there was no way to challenge you - who can argue with the "ingenious" analyst ...
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Regarding my definition of the geopolitical essence of Erdogan and his Turkey, do not get out in front of me like a living one in a hot pan!

                        And in my thoughts there was no way to challenge you - who can argue with the "ingenious" analyst ...

                        Well, thank God! - that you, at last in your "capitulation" in front of me, at least recognized this in me! (Joke.)
  • kuz363 13 August 2019 10: 03 New
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    You Tanya will have time to retire until you wait for the collapse of Ukraine!
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      Quote: kuz363
      You Tanya will have time to retire until you wait for the collapse of Ukraine!

      So it has already happened, and you did not notice the separation of the Crimea and New Russia ....
  • ccsr 13 August 2019 12: 41 New
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    Quote: Tatiana
    This is what Erdogan is doing, not recognizing the Russian Crimea as RUSSIAN and thereby pushing Ukraine and the NATO / Pentagon to war with the Russian Federation!

    Actually, we don’t give a damn whether Erdogan admits Crimea or not, but I assure you that a huge amount of Turkish goods are on the shelves of Crimean stores that go there directly from Turkish producers who are spit on international sanctions.
    There is no need to escalate the situation with Erdogan, especially since nothing depends on him in NATO.
    The main thing is to use its contradictions with the Europeans in our favor, paying less attention to the mouse fuss of Ukraine.
    1. Tatyana 13 August 2019 15: 16 New
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      Quote: ccsr
      I assure you that a huge amount of Turkish goods are on the shelves of Crimean shops, which go there directly from Turkish producers, who spit on international sanctions.

      This reminds us of the 1990 years, when under Gorbachev and especially during the EBNovskoy privatization, domestic industry rose and collapsed in the country, and the population in the country ran out of money. The famous period of shuttles began, but it was not from a good life and not from the well-being of the country's economy!
      People survived at the expense of goods from shuttles, mainly from Turkey, Poland, and China.
      Our markets were littered with low-quality and inexpensive goods from Turkey from small producers - it was impossible to pass them by dealers.

      Do you mean exactly such trade in Ukraine with Turkey with consumer goods from Turkish SMALL manufacturers?

      The well-being of the Turkish population in those years from putting such shuttle trade on stream from the Russian Federation then rose fairly!

      If yes, then I’ll say that - according to your remark - it can be stated that in Ukraine now NEPman's shuttle 1990 years are flourishing in the economy, and not the 2019 year in Russia.
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        Quote: Tatiana
        Do you mean exactly such trade in Ukraine with Turkey with consumer goods from Turkish SMALL manufacturers?

        I mean the sale of Turkish goods, industrial and agricultural, in Russian Crimea. By the way, not only small manufacturers trade there, judging by some European brands of clothing that are sewn in Turkey.
        Quote: Tatiana
        If yes, then I’ll say that - according to your remark - it can be stated that in Ukraine now NEPman's shuttle 1990 years are flourishing in the economy, and not the 2019 year in Russia.

        I actually did not write about Ukraine, but about the current Crimea. I can’t say anything about shuttles - deliveries are large-scale, and can’t do without trucks and containers.
        1. Tatyana 14 August 2019 00: 33 New
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          Quote: ccsr
          I actually did not write about Ukraine, but about the current Crimea. I can’t say anything about shuttles - deliveries are large-scale, and can’t do without trucks and containers.

          So in Crimea, for Turkish goods, “shuttle” communications were established even when Crimea was Ukrainian.
          And now in the Russian Crimea, the welfare of the inhabitants has increased. But there are few enterprises. So it is not surprising that trade with Turkey in consumer goods is still developing there.
          In Russia itself, there is no such excitement, as it was before, on Turkish goods.

          In addition, the constructed Crimean bridge will also have a beneficial effect on the development of the economy of Crimea itself and the strengthening of relations between Crimeans and Russia.
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            Quote: Tatiana
            So in Crimea, for Turkish goods, “shuttle” communications were established even when Crimea was Ukrainian.

            For a long time there hasn’t been such shuttle trade as it was under Ukraine, now there are different scales of trade.
            Quote: Tatiana
            In Russia itself, there is no such excitement, as it was before, on Turkish goods.

            This is a consequence of logistics in the first place, and the fact that the Chinese have pressed many manufacturers.
            Quote: Tatiana
            In addition, the constructed Crimean bridge will also have a beneficial effect on the development of the economy of Crimea itself and the strengthening of relations between Crimeans and Russia.

            Who would argue ...
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              Quote: ccsr
              Quote: Tatiana
              So in Crimea, for Turkish goods, “shuttle” communications were established even when Crimea was Ukrainian.
              For a long time there hasn’t been such shuttle trade as it was under Ukraine, now there are different scales of trade.
              You, apparently, misunderstood me. Namely.

              Those who were successful business shuttles long ago opened their own shopping centers and privatized local sales markets.
              The business does not stand still, otherwise it will die and other enterprising users will take its place.
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  • Esso 13 August 2019 08: 09 New
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    Ankara will never recognize Crimea as Russian. Erdogan repays for C-400

    I warned about this all the time and I say!

    What the hell did Russia need Erdogan to sell C-400 for ?!

    Erdogan will also go to our war with our entire C-400 all of Turkey! He has enough "mind" for it! Sultan in Fez!

    Ankara recognizes Crimea only when we recognize the Turkish Republic of Cyprus. It's okay that ours made a deal about the S-400. Do not write nonsense about the war. Do not forget that what we sell has other characteristics, unlike what comes to our armaments. Next, Erdogan tried to fight with us what happened, we know that he is far from being a politician and a merchant. Our military and designer have long envisioned attempts to use equipment sold abroad against our armed forces.
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    Correctly done !.
    “Sooner or later, Turkey will still have to finally decide on its place in world politics” - and I think it will not be in Russia's favor. But now he has something to fight with the Russian Su57.
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      Quote: morgan_67
      “Sooner or later, Turkey will still have to finally decide on its place in world politics” - and I think it will not be in Russia's favor. But now he has something to fight with the Russian Su57.

      In fact, if they decide to fight our Su-57s, then I’m sure that Russian systems will not be able to participate in this. Why - guess for yourself ...
  • g1v2 12 August 2019 15: 25 New
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    Turkey recognizes him Russian only in case of a serious exchange. For example, if on the other hand there will be Adjara or part of Syria or Iraq. Without this, the Turks will obviously not refuse claims to the Crimea. Moreover, there are more Crimean Tatars in Turkey than in Crimea. He didn’t say anything new. We do not recognize northern Cyprus and the occupation of part of Syria - they do not recognize Crimea. request
    Moreover, the Turks had a reason to be offended. In Syria, our VKS in recent months have seriously thinned formations controlled by the Turks. Th Turks have reason to say their FI. However, the dog barks - the caravan goes on. request
    1. depressant 12 August 2019 16: 41 New
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      Crimea has been conquered since ancient times. One or the other inhabitants of the Mediterranean. Who won, he belonged to that. We defeated the Ottomans 200 years ago. And now Crimea is rightfully victorious. And then the Turks have an insult, but I must have her understanding. Fumbled - no! But she found out that reckoning with the insults of each loser was more expensive for herself.
      1. g1v2 12 August 2019 16: 48 New
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        Understanding others is always helpful. At a minimum, this helps predict their actions. The Turks are important to us, so such injections will be released on the brakes. Not that problem. We have much more serious things at stake.
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          Here they begin to recognize the Crimea or not. Yes, they cannot and when they signed the Crimean world they agreed to "possess Russia for all eternity." And as soon as "not Russia%, he automatically returns to the Turks.
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            Quote: tracer
            Here they begin to recognize the Crimea or not. Yes, they cannot and when they signed the Crimean world they agreed to "possess Russia for all eternity." And as soon as "not Russia%, he automatically returns to the Turks.

            Precisely, in 1791, Turkey already recognized Crimea as Russian, what else is needed?
        2. depressant 12 August 2019 17: 37 New
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          Under the narrow-minded point of view, I ironically mean sympathy for the loser, in this regard - the realization of my deep immorality and how I should be ashamed of an honest victory over him, then - making a public apology for winning a very long-standing war, returning prize - so what? It's ridiculous! It was and was, passed, drove back in Sultan times. What stupid whims of the Turks? It is not my, layman's task - to reckon with insults, the origin of which makes me frankly amazed at its absurdity. But the diplomatic corps and government structures - yes, even with a sigh, they show understanding with whom they are dealing. Inadequate countries around us - full, look around! And each requires something, exposing resentment and bills for them. And, in my opinion, the state structures of Russia are coping with the task, demonstrating stoic understanding and patience in dealing with inadequacies.
          And the government only needed to understand how to extend the sovereignty of Russia to Crimea so that the departed banks would return there. This seems to be harder than understanding the touchy Erdogan. And it is the reason for his unhealthy revival on the Crimean occasion.
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            "A dagger is good for whoever has it." You see, here sneeze on the recognition or unrecognition of the Crimea. WHAT A HAT. Let saliva strangle.
    2. Aviator_ 12 August 2019 21: 36 New
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      Let Adzharia be squeezed from the Georgians, it will soon be 30 years as not ours.
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        They are getting ready. request Turks are moving en masse there. The border is partially open. Turkish business buys Batumi essentially. Another 5-10 years, and the Turks will have to wait for the next color revolution to occupy Adjara.
  • fuel oil 13 August 2019 09: 41 New
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    With such "friends", enemies are not needed ... This country always has a scimitar ready.
  • kuz363 13 August 2019 09: 57 New
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    Turks have their own dignity, unlike Russians
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      Quote: kuz363
      Turks have their own dignity, unlike Russians

      You have not encountered them in business, that's why you believe in such stupidity.
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    That's for sure, I agree with you. They will take the stripes once again undersulted for tilibonchiki - it will conquer differently. I think, even with all disrespect for the undersultan, he understands that he does not NEED NATO or Europe. Only as a convenient springboard for minke whales. No more.
  • Terenin 13 August 2019 22: 38 New
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    Ankara will never recognize Crimea as Russian

    Never ever..

    By the way, didn’t I hear from Erdogan that Crimea is Ukrainian?
  • Gardamir 12 August 2019 15: 09 New
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    Erdogan repays for C-400
    Yes, like that. In Russia, the best diplomacy. We have all the geniuses of foreign policy !.
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      Quote: Gardamir
      We have all the geniuses of foreign policy !.

      Especially a lot of "geniuses" in the inside .. only the team of Dimon what is it worth .. gifted people .. wassat
  • Nikolay87 12 August 2019 15: 13 New
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    I paid for S-400 not with tomatoes. And what he thinks about the Crimea - we will survive. So that
    1. Fan-fan 12 August 2019 20: 24 New
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      Well, I haven’t paid yet, because according to the contract, first deliveries and real tests, and only then payment.
  • Ramzay121 12 August 2019 15: 15 New
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    But has Russia already recognized Northern Cyprus? And anyway, who recognized the Russian Crimea?
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      If not everyone recognized their own. There is no Lukoil in the Crimea, no Sberbank. But they were before the referendum ...
      1. Ross xnumx 12 August 2019 17: 33 New
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        Quote: Bacha
        If not everyone recognized their own.

        yes good
        I was looking for my option and found it in your answer. (+)
        Does something have to change from whether Erdoогan recognizes the Russian Crimea as Russian? Yes, a flag in his hands and a fez on his head. Ask the inhabitants of the peninsula themselves - what is more important for them: recognition of the head of Turkey or the status of Russian land? For "complete happiness", they will finally solve the issue of the transport supply of Crimea with the mainland, provide themselves with fresh water and energy. They were only five years in the state, and even Moscow was not immediately built ...
        But the fact that the Russian structures (Sberbank in particular) ignored the Crimea is most likely a game with intermediaries. there are inconveniences, ways to resolve them too ...
        hi
      2. Svarog 12 August 2019 18: 29 New
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        If not everyone recognized their own.

        It’s already long been clear that they are not our own .. The absurd situation turns out, the elite looks west in the mouth, and we are broadcasting about “enemies” and patriotism through federal channels, and even broadcasters are all either non-citizens or have residence permits .
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      And anyway, who recognized the Russian Crimea?

      Remember how the Russians responded to the threat that their horde?
      "And us army!"
    3. Victor N 12 August 2019 19: 42 New
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      And why is Erdogan worse than Lukashenko?
  • igorbrsv 12 August 2019 15: 17 New
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    Smoke without fire. Erdogan did not hide the fact that he did not recognize Crimea as Russian. No one recognized him. What difference does it make request
    Well, to Zelensky, Erdogan, too, about bracelets with the names of the sailors detained by us, said that Zelensky would not have enough hands. That now he has “betrayed” us, and Ukraine “has betrayed us, and the United States threw from the S-400 you understand request so chtoli comes out?
    1. Ross xnumx 12 August 2019 17: 40 New
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      Quote: igorbrsv

      Smoke without fire.
      Erdogan did not hide the fact that he did not recognize Crimea as Russian.
      No one recognized him.
      What difference does it make

      Why are you talking about Recep? As for the Crimea:

      hi
      1. Cat man null 12 August 2019 17: 55 New
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        As for the Crimea

        And in Antarctica (not recognized) - penguins, go and have been questioned? laughing
  • Avior 12 August 2019 15: 18 New
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    . Neutral to Russia may be, for example, India, Angola or Indonesia

    Did they recognize Crimea as Russian?
    As for the Turks, the Chinese or the Iranians, they are all on their minds, and as friends of Russia to write them down is to deceive yourself
  • brat07 12 August 2019 15: 26 New
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    Turkish President Recep Erdogan said that his country has not recognized and will never recognize Crimea as Russian.

    Well, who would doubt it.

    Erdogan didn’t just have to avoid the Crimean question in his conversation with Zelensky or at least not make clear statements. But he chose a harsh statement, designed not even for Zelensky or Putin, but for the West. It is unprofitable for the Turkish president to completely break off relations with the West, with the European Union, so he wanted to demonstrate that Turkey did not come under Russian influence and the purchase of C-400 does not mean anything.

    And here, as it seems to me, the very essence of Erdogan’s policy is the desire to "sit on two chairs."
    1. Sunstorm 12 August 2019 16: 11 New
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      Quote: brat07
      And here, as it seems to me, the very essence of Erdogan’s policy is the desire to "sit on two chairs."

      This is a mistake. He has 1 chair of his own, and by it (chair) he understands all the lands inhabited by "Turks", so based on this, he acts very consistently.
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        Quote: Sunstorm
        Quote: brat07
        And here, as it seems to me, the very essence of Erdogan’s policy is the desire to "sit on two chairs."

        This is a mistake. He has 1 chair of his own, and by it (chair) he understands all the lands inhabited by "Turks", so based on this, he acts very consistently.

        You're right. My "comparison" is not entirely "correct." I wanted to say that Erdogan would like to “play two violins at once.” (Each has his own “music”) IMHO.
  • Lipchanin 12 August 2019 15: 28 New
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    The words that Turkey does not recognize the Crimean peninsula as Russian were made during the meeting of Recep Erdogan with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky.

    Well, and how will this affect the situation of Crimea? No way, And by and large, we all do not care what he said.
    They did not recognize South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Transnistria, and in the world there are a lot of unrecognized things. So what? Has life stopped there? And they also do not care about recognition. Recognition, or non-recognition, is all a political game. A kind of trade. Today they do not recognize, tomorrow the political situation has changed, they immediately recognize it. And vice versa. There are plenty of such cases.
    So that life goes on
  • Rustic i ...... 12 August 2019 15: 37 New
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    Is it worth recognizing Constantinople as Istanbul?
  • Elysium 12 August 2019 15: 40 New
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    Erdogan may not recognize. But he will one day leave.
  • Sibguest 12 August 2019 15: 51 New
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    "Sooner or later, Turkey will still have to finally decide on its place in world politics."
    I can not agree with this thesis.
    Turkey, due to the mentality and "personal hostility to common sense" of the leadership (of this country) and most hoteliers, is unlikely to decide on its place in world politics in the foreseeable future.
    Well - the Turkish flag in their hands, the Turkish drum - around the neck, and under the Turkish march - into the garden! (everything - to the garden)!
    And let them eat their wooden vegetables and fruits.
    Let every swaggering European who has decided to taste "Turkish hospitality" in the resorts be happy - because it is clearly visible how their resort business is becoming more and more degraded and how more and more vile the Turks are towards tourists from our country.

    As for the sale of the S-400 and the "sudden" interest in our Su-35s, let them buy it.
    One of the compatriots correctly noted (below): they were not calculated by tomatoes.
    And the “all-fenders” should drink Valerian: we will not sell the most advanced weapons to anyone until our troops and navy are equipped .... and when we start selling “over the hill” - we’ll come up with even more advanced weapons.
    1. German Titov 12 August 2019 21: 29 New
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      Let them rejoice that the celebration of Airborne Forces Day was not postponed to Turkey.
  • parusnik 12 August 2019 15: 53 New
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    Ankara will never recognize Crimea as Russian. Erdogan repays for C-400
    ... And gas through the Turkish stream will pay for the NPP and nothing personal, only business .. And Crimea does not recognize Russia ... It enters NATO .. ​​It is not going to leave this block .. it is fraught .. Nooo, maybe it will recognize when buy Russian tomatoes, consumer goods ... laughing
  • Sunstorm 12 August 2019 16: 09 New
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    “East is a delicate matter”, so yes, “never say never” is relevant ... who would have thought 5 years ago that Turkey would go to the peak of the USA and buy Russian weapons?
  • Masha 12 August 2019 16: 10 New
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    still ... with great pleasure Erdogan would recognize Crimea as Turkish ... but figs to you ... wink
    1. Mordvin 3 12 August 2019 16: 16 New
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      Quote: Masha
      Erdogan would recognize Crimea as Turkish ... but figs to you ...

      I don’t understand why the Turks didn’t declare Crimea their own according to the collapse of the USSR ... After all, there are documents about this ...
      1. depressant 12 August 2019 16: 49 New
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        Documents ... Our Crimea is rightfully strong. That was and will continue to be so.
      2. Masha 12 August 2019 16: 52 New
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        why the Turks did not declare Crimea their disintegration of the USSR ... After all, there are documents about this.

        obviously aware that this is a losing option ...
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          Quote: Masha
          obviously aware that this is a losing option ...

          There the USA hatched ..
          Like this:

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            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            There the USA hatched ..

            and broke off .... wink
      3. Doliva63 12 August 2019 17: 34 New
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Masha
        Erdogan would recognize Crimea as Turkish ... but figs to you ...

        I don’t understand why the Turks didn’t declare Crimea their own according to the collapse of the USSR ... After all, there are documents about this ...

        There are documents that in the 18th century the Turks recognized Crimea as the territory of Russia, and did not meet others.
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        No, this is a myth, there are no such documents
  • yehat 12 August 2019 16: 21 New
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    There is one historical precedent or story (I know if it’s true or not).
    Stalin is asked why you are friends with Churchill; he also stigmatizes communism at every turn!
    And Vissarionych answers - it doesn’t matter what he says, it matters what he does.
    1. German Titov 12 August 2019 21: 25 New
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      Alas! Such as "Koba" no longer do. In 2014, the "esbichi" went to their father, looked at the portrait of I.V. Stalin, waved his hand and left. So until the death of his father and did not touch.
  • Igor Shcherbina 12 August 2019 16: 26 New
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    Conclusions have long been necessary, they are our “partners”, they are shitty, they only understand the power when we turned off the oxygen to Turkey, they immediately began to draw the right conclusions, we should keep Turkey at a distance, and always put pressure on her pain points to make her feel. Turkey has a Kurdish problem, it is always necessary to conduct a diplomatic dialogue with them, use all means, economic, political, prepare the opposition, and finance, only in this way.
    1. tracer 12 August 2019 17: 59 New
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      The Sultan is obliged to the President of Russia with his carcass. If not for him, he would have been torn to pieces long ago as Gaddafi.
  • dolfi1 12 August 2019 16: 29 New
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    The author contradicts himself. On the one hand, he correctly understands that Turkey is more likely just "sometimes a fellow traveler" than an ally, everyone depends on the situation. On the other hand, there is hope that Turkey "will finally determine its place in world politics." But Turkey doesn’t want anyone, this is its policy - to sit on all the chairs at the same time.
  • capsid 12 August 2019 16: 35 New
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    Quote: g1v2
    Turkey recognizes him Russian only in case of a serious exchange. For example, if on the other hand there will be Adjara or part of Syria or Iraq. Without this, the Turks will obviously not refuse claims to the Crimea. Moreover, there are more Crimean Tatars in Turkey than in Crimea. He didn’t say anything new. We do not recognize northern Cyprus and the occupation of part of Syria - they do not recognize Crimea. request
    Moreover, the Turks had a reason to be offended. In Syria, our VKS in recent months have seriously thinned formations controlled by the Turks. Th Turks have reason to say their FI. However, the dog barks - the caravan goes on. request

    Its not exchanged, you think like a traitor.
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      Its not exchanged, you think like a traitor.

      Please, clearly state your "thought"
      My minus.
  • afrikanez 12 August 2019 16: 39 New
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    You might think that someone was waiting for a different answer from Erdogan, regarding the Crimea. recourse
  • Ros 56 12 August 2019 16: 58 New
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    And hto this Ankara, fuck it up. Yes, they go all the way to the south. At one time they could not protect, now do not open your mouth, yes. laughing
  • K-50 12 August 2019 17: 02 New
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    Turkish President Recep Erdogan said that his country has not recognized and will never recognize Crimea as Russian.

    And we will turn off the gas for them and transfer the S-400 “for prevention”. Let them stand in the form of iron. fellow lol
  • bogart047 12 August 2019 17: 25 New
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    these are just words, so as not to anger even more Europe and the United States. In fact, the Turks quarreled strongly from the United States over the S-400. Or maybe they’ll buy something else. These are actions, not words. Pay attention to real things, not diplomatic equivocations
    1. Fan-fan 12 August 2019 20: 32 New
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      But the real things are that Turkey has captured the Syrian province of Idlib and is not going to leave there.
    2. brat07 13 August 2019 01: 32 New
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      These are actions, not words.
      .
      In my opinion, a politician is judged not only by his actions, but also by his words.
      "You have to answer for the bazaar." Well, at least in foreign policy.IMHO.
      1. bogart047 13 August 2019 11: 14 New
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        let's recall Putin’s words that in the Crimea there weren’t military personnel of the Russian Federation, but unidentified men) Then he still said it as it was, and before that he played his part in words, but in reality it was different
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          let's remember Putin’s words that in the Crimea there were not servicemen of the Russian Federation, but unidentified men)

          Something I do not remember such a statement, given the base of the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea.
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            googol to help
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              Quote: bogart047
              googol to help

              So they lied ...
        2. brat07 13 August 2019 23: 21 New
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          Quote: bogart047
          let's recall Putin’s words that in the Crimea there weren’t military personnel of the Russian Federation, but unidentified men) Then he still said it as it was, and before that he played his part in words, but in reality it was different

          Yes, I agree with you, but he nevertheless acknowledged that:
          Putin said that the "green men" were in the Crimea
          Anastasia LEONOVA
          The truth opened during the Straight Line
          17.04.14 13:44

          "Polite people" stood behind the self-defense of Crimea
          "Polite people" stood behind the self-defense of Crimea
          During the “Direct Line” with the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, the host came up with a question via sms about who were those young people in Crimea whom they saw there before and after the referendum.

          “This is about the green men,” the host explained.

          Vladimir Putin answered this question:

          “We should have created all the conditions for the free expression of the will of the Crimeans,” the President said. “We had to make sure that there were no tanks in Crimea, as is happening in the South-East of Ukraine, so that there are no nationalists.” Of course, our troops stood behind the back of Crimean self-defense so that there would be no provocations. It was impossible to help people express their opinions differently. In Crimea, more than 20 thousand Russian troops, there are warehouses with ammunition. It was necessary to protect people from the possibility of using these weapons.

          SOURCE KP.RU
          1. ccsr 14 August 2019 12: 17 New
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            Of course, our troops stood behind the back of Crimean self-defense so that there would be no provocations.

            So the president admits that these were our military personnel, and not what one author came up with here:
            Quote: bogart047
            let's remember Putin’s words that in the Crimea there weren’t military personnel of the Russian Federation,
            1. Antares 15 August 2019 11: 36 New
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              Quote: ccsr
              So the president admits that these were our military personnel, and not what one author came up with here:

              the chronology of the words politics is

              .. they didn’t take it, the form was bought at the store by local people, of course, ours were behind us, we never denied participation ....
              evolution is evident.
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                .. they didn’t take it, the form was bought at the store by local people, of course, ours were behind us, we never denied participation ....

                This applies to the self-defense forces of Crimea, and not to the Russian military, which were introduced to protect parts of the Black Sea Fleet. The plan for covering our naval bases in Crimea was AGREED with the General Staff of Ukraine, and therefore the APU silently looked at this input, without any resistance. So it’s not a matter of evolution, but the fact that people who are illiterate in military affairs don’t even know that the troops of the Southern Military District were obliged to enter the Crimea in agreement with the Ukrainian government, if only situations of threat to our naval bases and civilians from the composition of family members of military personnel. This was done at the time of the coup in Kiev, which came under the assessment of an emergency, which is why the APU silently looked at the entry of Russian troops into the territory of Crimea and did not offer resistance.
  • Goldmitro 12 August 2019 17: 36 New
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    Erdogan’s words about Crimea’s belonging once again showed that Turkey cannot be considered an ally or even a neutral partner of Russia.

    The strategic interests of Russia and Turkey do not coincide at all and will not coincide.

    We should always proceed from this in our relations with Turkey: only clear practicality, no sushi-pusi and Erdogan’s frank rudeness to be able to answer in a way that would no longer be common! We have opportunities for this!
  • samarin1969 12 August 2019 18: 24 New
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    The author somehow circumvented the gas interests of the Kremlin in Turkey. Without them, Erdogan would not have been so categorical. He has big problems in the economy. His party has an influential opposition that is oriented toward the United States.
    Unfortunately, in the Russian Federation it is difficult to separate the interests of TNK Gazprom and the Russian Foreign Ministry.

    Erdogan hardly reads VO. But even without this, he understands that Turkey’s ambitions will inevitably lead to an increase in confrontation with Russia.
  • demo 12 August 2019 19: 47 New
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    It is time for Putin to declare that we will never recognize the absence of the right of the Kurdish people to create their own state.
    This statement does not oblige to anything, but gives a clear understanding of the fact that Russia is either honest or not worth starting.
    I doubt one thing that Putin has enough courage.
  • NF68 12 August 2019 20: 42 New
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    From the fact that Turkey recognized or did not recognize Crimea as Russian, nothing will change anyway.
  • Chaldon48 12 August 2019 21: 07 New
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    So you need to put pressure on Turkey hard, and sometimes hit the most painful places, so that you remember that what they gave yesterday can be taken away today.
  • German Titov 12 August 2019 21: 14 New
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    To each Erdogan, a sailor Peter Koshka. And the Turks according to F. Ushakov and P. Nakhimov.
  • Aviator_ 12 August 2019 21: 30 New
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    A sensible article, albeit somewhat verbose. Indeed, why not talk with the PKK leaders? Anyway, in Idlib, Turkey does nothing according to the agreements.
  • dmmyak40 12 August 2019 22: 32 New
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    Guys, how did you not yet understand that it is IMPOSSIBLE to take seriously the words of a politician said publicly! This is for general use. Only. Just words. For Svidomo, USA, Britons and other "crap" Russia.
    See not the facts. About the S-400, gas, etc. I will not speak. Better appreciate how our I-62, Tu-154, An-124, Il-76 dangle through airspace into Syria.
    1. Orkraider 12 August 2019 23: 36 New
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      Quote: dmmyak40
      Guys, how did you not yet understand that it is IMPOSSIBLE to take seriously the words of a politician said publicly! This is for general use. Only. Just words. For Svidomo, USA, Britons and other "crap" Russia.
      See not the facts. About the S-400, gas, etc. I will not speak. Better appreciate how our I-62, Tu-154, An-124, Il-76 dangle through airspace into Syria.

      Clearly said! And noticed.
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      Interesting, thanks!
  • Sergey49 12 August 2019 23: 37 New
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    It is hard to expect otherwise. Turkey is a rival to Russia for influence in the Caucasus and the Middle East, and now in Ukraine.
    On the example of a downed aircraft, Turkey was convinced that Russia does not have a clear position on protecting national interests. Plus, Russia has a conflict with the West, thanks to which Turkey can even sit on Russia's head without return.
    In such a situation, Erdogan quite pragmatically scores points in Ukraine and in the West without losing anything in Russia. Reasonable behavior for the leader of the patriot of his country.
    If Russia had reacted harshly to the infringement of its interests, Erdogan would have taken a more balanced position.
    1. dmmyak40 13 August 2019 00: 07 New
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      Try to look at any event not from the point of view of "he is like this to me, but I will give it right between the eyes", but from the position of "who benefits from it" and "bulldogs under the carpet".
      What did Turkey want to get down by su-24? Make Russia leave Syria? Did not work out. Refuse Assad’s support? Also no. But if you connect in one chain the attack on our bomber with an attempted coup d'etat in Turkey, then the idea of ​​an attempt by the pro-American (pro-Gülen) military to push Turkey and Russia between their foreheads does not look silly.
      What should Russia have done in response to the downing and killing of a pilot? To kill Karlov? Use tactical nuclear weapons in Istanbul and Ankara or Ingerlik? Introduce sanctions on vegetables? Close tourist flow? It could be. From the point of view of banal erudition and a simple citizen of the country. True, who is very worried and worried about her.
      But the politician will do it differently: he understands perfectly well that the life of a drying navigator cannot be returned. And this jamb of Turkey (and the USA) needs to be used for their own purposes and exchanged for something useful. And there is reason to believe that our president is doing this.
      Answer the question: which of the NATO countries allows the BTA of Russia to fly over its territory? Poland? Germany? Czech Republic? But over Turkey, our transporters shuttle almost every day. Turkish customs officers checking the contents of the boards? I don’t know, perhaps, but, apparently, very fluently: at an altitude of 11 meters it is very cold ...
      And think about cooling relations between Turkey and the United States and NATO countries. To split in this office is very expensive. And the precedent of successful butting with the United States and cooperation with our country in the field of military-technical cooperation will generally be a beacon for many.
      Dig deeper into the root, and leave the tops to others.
      1. Sergey49 13 August 2019 12: 24 New
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        Actually, Turkey, shooting down a plane, wanted to declare itself a full-fledged player in Syria and achieved its goal. She solves her tasks in the north without looking at Russia.
        What answer would I like? Well, not a tomato blockade and even a short one. Minimum gap in diplomatic relations. By the way, I am well aware that Russia has absolutely no leverage over Turkey. And the fact that without Turkey the operation in Syria will be covered with a copper basin.
        At my level, I don’t see a solution to the problem, but I also don’t like your position, when you declare every spit in the face like an airplane shot down by Turkey or Israel, or capture a ship by North Korea in neutral waters, our victory or a cunning multi-port.
        Now I am following Iran - a ship was seized from him, he answered in a mirror multiple (my plan for Turkey and Israel). Britain wiped out, the United States in doubt. After the US election, it will become clear whether Iran behaved correctly or not.
        As for the alleged split, the darlings only scoff.
        1. dmmyak40 13 August 2019 22: 03 New
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          Your point of view is balanced enough and does not give extreme. Ready to agree with part of what was said. I often also want my country to respond in the same way as the United States. BUT, this "this is not our method", we must go the other way. Although at one time, Nicholas I promised to send a million spectators in gray overcoats ... And he got his way.
          Turkey. What will the gap in diplomatic relations give? Just a demonstration of our position? Can. And then what? Exchange of the death of the Su-24 and the navigator for a simple gap? Will we communicate with Georgia through Switzerland? Here the situation is like in chess: exchanging pieces for quality.
          1. Sergey49 13 August 2019 22: 56 New
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            Well, let's say Turkey was forgiven for the sake of Syria and this is not a sign of weakness, but a clever combination. What about Israel? What was replaced by the lives of the Russian military?
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            Although at one time, Nicholas I promised to send a million spectators in gray overcoats ... And he got his way.

            briefly yes (the play was filmed)
            in the long run, it threw Paris into the arms of a longtime rival, London, and Palmerston easily formed an alliance.
            With such statements, one of the leading countries in Europe is fraught ... Especially if you do not have allies. But opponents do.
  • nafanal 13 August 2019 00: 40 New
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    Yes, and the dog with him .. Let him not recognize .. In fact, he is Russian .. Well, they sold him a toy-S-400 .. What would the child not amuse ... just to pay ..
  • Klim chugunkin 13 August 2019 01: 45 New
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    After 4 months, the Turkish Stream will be launched. Full capacity - 30 billion m3 per year. So by the way ...
    1. ccsr 13 August 2019 12: 51 New
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      After 4 months, the Turkish Stream will be launched. Full capacity - 30 billion m3 per year. So by the way ...

      By the way, we have somehow forgotten that since 2002 our gas has been supplied to Turkey via the Blue Stream:

      On December 30, 2002, the Blue Stream gas pipeline was commissioned. Industrial gas supplies through the gas pipeline began in February 2003. Construction costs amounted to $ 3,2 billion. Construction was carried out by the Russian-Italian company Blue Stream Pipeline Company B.V., which was equally owned by Gazprom and Italian Eni. Now this company is the owner of the offshore section of the gas pipeline, including the Beregovaya compressor station in Arkhipo-Osipovka (one of the most powerful in the world).
      The gas supply contract with the Turkish side was drawn up on a take-or-pay basis (if the planned supply volumes were not selected, Turkey would have to pay the entire planned volume).
      It was planned that in 2010 the gas pipeline will reach full capacity (16 billion m³ of gas per year). In October 2014, it was decided to increase the capacity of the gas pipeline to 19 billion cubic meters of gas per year due to the modernization of the Beregovaya compressor station and the Durusu receiving terminal [2].
      They considered plans to build a continuation of the pipeline to Israel, Italy, as well as expanding the capacity of the "pipe" in 2 times - up to 32 billion m³ per year.
  • pylon101 13 August 2019 04: 41 New
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    Well, somehow it’s not reigning to be offended by Erdogan.
    The author himself explained everything and put it on the shelves.
    Unlike China, Persia or Russia, whose statehood was not interrupted, the Young Turks, led by Ataturk, created a new secular state. It is not legally connected with the empire, which, the Ottoman Empire, never recognized Crimea as Russian.
    Atatürk came to Lenin for nothing so soon. In essence, he concluded a pact that Turkey would recognize Crimea as part of Russia (whatever Comrade Lenin would have created there), but made sure that the new Russia would not support the creation of Kurdish statehood.
    Actually, in many respects, precisely because of this, the Kurds balk without their own state.
    Erdogan already violated the constitution of the Republic of Turkey and Ataturk’s testament a hundred times. And if the military in Turkey fulfilled their duty to preserve the republic of Ataturk, then Erdogan would have already been executed.
    But as they say, we also warned him about the coup.
    One way or another, Erdogan is the successor of the Ottomans.
    We need to use it, but not be offended childishly at his statements.
    Which Crimea? Discover the constitution of the Russian Federation. There is the Republic of Crimea. The question is closed, at least as long as Russia exists.
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      Well, somehow it’s not reigning to be offended by Erdogan.

      I completely agree with this assessment - this is not to respect yourself, if we take into account the opinion of some local kings in the big game of geopolitics. The main thing is that our Crimea is in our minds, and the rest of the opinions can be wiped off.
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    Why Erdogan does not want to recognize Crimea as Russian

    Ze has such a happy dupe, he believes that Er supported him, but they consider him theirs, and when at the Outskirts the Mejlis mongrel went to lick their heels in Istanbul, Ze probably doesn’t know.
  • Lyapis 13 August 2019 09: 08 New
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    Well, let’s recall for the sake of completeness, for example, Belarus also did not recognize Crimea as Russian ... And this, for a minute, is a union state, which the Russian Federation does not have closer. request
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      Quote: Lyapis
      Well, let’s recall for the sake of completeness, for example, Belarus also did not recognize Crimea as Russian ... And this, for a minute, is a union state, which the Russian Federation does not have closer. request

      This cunning man "our friend Lukashenko" wink
  • _Krechet_ 13 August 2019 10: 02 New
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    Interpretation depends on the situation.
    In one case, "Turkey will never recognize the annexation of Crimea by Russia."
    In another "Turkey never recognizes annexation (fact of annexation) of Crimea by Russia. "

    What Turkey means, everyone is free to choose for himself. But she can at any moment explain how to understand her statements.
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    Nyatyatya, Nyatyashya ... What a whining!
  • ROBIN-SON 13 August 2019 11: 31 New
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    The article is not about anything. He, that before the purchase, promised Putin to tell everyone that he would recognize Crimea as Russian? And for the Crimea, many thanks to Yeltsin. According to Kravchuk, Ukrainians were ready to give everything for independence. But Boris didn’t even give a hint about Crimea. Why?
  • DimerVladimer 13 August 2019 11: 59 New
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    In Turkey, as you know, they actively speculate on the Crimean Tatar issue

    It would be strange if they did not.
    After the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Empire, most of the Crimean Tatars left Crimea and left for Turkey.
    Until the 1783th century, the Crimean Tatars immigrated from Crimea to Turkey in three waves: the first wave arose after the annexation of Crimea to the Russian Empire in 1853, the second after the Crimean War of 1856-1877 and the third after the Russo-Turkish War of 1878.

    in the period from the end of the 20th to the 1s of the 800th century, at least 000 people left Crimea. Crimean Tatars and their descendants began to play a very significant role in the socio-political, economic and cultural life of the Ottoman Empire, forming a diaspora.
    So for Turkey, where the Crimean Tatar population has deep roots, a powerful ethnic diaspora, the annexation of the Crimea will never be a settled issue and it would be strange not to take this into account.
  • Mavrikiy 13 August 2019 15: 36 New
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    But Russia can and should answer Erdogan to his boorish attacks. The Turkish president welcomes the extremist leaders who are wanted in Russia - please, there is the Kurdistan Workers Party and its leaders. What prevents them from meeting? To discuss the situation in Turkish Kurdistan? And this is just one of the possible answers to the actions of the Turkish president.
    Our meeting with the PKK is interference in the internal affairs of Turkey, yes, but Erdogan’s meeting with Dzhemilev can be interpreted in the same way.
    Dzhemilev perfectly understood that after the reunification of Crimea with Russia, he would lose the opportunities that he had during the entry of the peninsula into Ukraine. In Russia, by the way, Dzhemilev is on the federal wanted list for extremist activities; he was arrested in absentia by the Kiev District Court of Simferopol.

    On the other hand, what do we want from him, did we recognize the Northern Cyprus TR? It may require bash-on-bash. And rudeness, so the east, who stands stronger, he sits stronger. repeat
  • evgen1221 13 August 2019 16: 26 New
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    Each politician, in a personal meeting with another politician and under the camera, says what his opponent will like, and there’s nothing to shout. It’s the main thing, but in words everything that you want can be spun. The Turks want to milk all the Ukrainians like a fool and lie with three boxes and do what you like, in short, they are the essence of world politics. Someone who believes the word is the one who endured. And our GDP is no exception.
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    Turkey paid the S-400 with currency and a tie for those maintenance and the purchase of ammunition, it is strange that you do not understand this)
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    Quote: German Titov
    Let them rejoice that the celebration of Airborne Forces Day was not postponed to Turkey.

    For the celebration of Eid al-Adha to Moscow squares moved))
    I basically do not mind))
  • Ostup bender 14 August 2019 18: 20 New
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    America bought through a third party the samples of new enemy weapons necessary for comparative tests at the proving grounds.
    Who owes what to anyone? Paid off with green papers, so you can forget.
  • Konatantin 1992 15 August 2019 05: 09 New
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    Well, why? expressed extreme concern there, or else what is our Foreign Ministry? The country endured, shaky ... and we’ll sell something else, like they wanted SU-35.
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    kig 15 August 2019 10: 09 New
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    For the S-400 they pay in dollars, not promises.
  • Megamarcel 16 August 2019 17: 56 New
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    Turk cannot be trusted - A.V. Suvorov. But in general, Turkey is increasing its influence within Russia. It is possible that the supply with 400 is a consequence of this growth, and not at all a successful transaction conducted by Rosoboronexport.
  • NordUral 17 August 2019 21: 23 New
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    And how can he admit it, because in his mind Crimea is Turkish.
  • certero 19 August 2019 08: 37 New
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    Russia absolutely does not need recognition by Turkey. Because in politics always: - "I tell you to you."
    In response, Russia will have to recognize part of Cyprus as Turkish. But we don’t need this.