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Some details of the incident during missile tests near Severodvinsk are disclosed

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The incident at a military training ground in the Arkhangelsk region could be caused by tests of a launcher for a hypersonic missile. It is reported Lenta.ru with reference to own sources.




The explosion at the Severodvinsk military training ground occurred during the engineering and technical support of isotopic power sources in a liquid propulsion system.

The incident allegedly occurred on the territory of the 45th State Central Marine Naval Testing Ground fleet Russia: it is located 30 km from Severodvinsk.

According to currently available data, 5 employees of Rosatom state corporation were killed. Three received burns and injuries of varying severity. Information on this was officially confirmed by the organization’s press service.

According to representatives of the state corporation, all the wounded were taken to medical facilities, they are being helped. "Rosatom"Also confirms the cause of the explosion.

Immediately after the explosion, in the period from 11: 50 to 12: 20, a sharp increase in the radiation background was recorded in Severodvinsk, to 2 microsievert per hour. This was reported by Kommersant with reference to the head of the civil protection department of the city administration, Valentin Magomedov.

Further, the level began to decline sharply ... Currently, the radiation level is 0,1 microsievert per hour, there is no threat to the population.

- emphasized Magomedov. The publication also emphasizes that, according to Rospotrebnadzor, with an x-ray, for example, of food organs, the patient receives up to 3,3 millisievert for the procedure.

Also, immediately after the explosion, the Dvina Bay of the White Sea was closed for a month for free shipping. It is assumed that these measures were associated with the destruction of the rocket, during which tons of extremely toxic substances could appear in the water.

«Kommersant", With reference to one of the military sailors, claims that the fuel was asymmetric dimethylhydrazine (heptyl), which combined with an oxidizing agent: this was the cause of the explosion. It takes about a week to dissolve in water to a safe concentration of heptyl.

Presumably, the explosion occurred during testing of a mobile launcher for the Zircon hypersonic missile. About this writes the publication Lenta.ru with reference to its own sources. Officially, this kind of information is not confirmed.

Zircon is an anti-ship hypersonic missile with a range, according to various sources, from 400 to 1000 km. The last figure was voiced in February 2019 by Russian President Vladimir Putin. It is assumed that the Zircon will replace the heavy missile Granite.
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  1. Igor Shcherbina
    Igor Shcherbina 10 August 2019 08: 05
    -49
    The cause of the explosion, a violation of safety precautions, or neglect of official duties or lack of professionalism of engineers of the state corporation Rosatom? Or all together?
    1. Mooh
      Mooh 10 August 2019 08: 18
      +71
      And a new technique can explode without negligence and lack of professionalism. They are testing it in order to identify structural and manufacturing defects. Before announcing the guilty, it would be nice to at least a little figure out what exploded and why.
      1. Igor Shcherbina
        Igor Shcherbina 10 August 2019 08: 35
        -40
        And the explosion occurred because they discovered a new invention in rocket science? All incidents and accidents all their lives occurred in a complex violation, when a disaster occurred due to a chain of incorrect actions and violations.
        1. vasilii
          vasilii 10 August 2019 08: 45
          -13
          Rosatom reported an incident when working with isotopic sources
          The state corporation said that the incident occurred at a military training ground during the engineering and technical support of isotopic power sources in a liquid propulsion system. Five people died, three were injured.


          https://www.rbc.ru/society/10/08/2019/5d4de2469a7947421bd0afbd

          And now let's remember how we were confidently told that this was all a lie, a fake, and there was no radiation in Severodvinsk and could not be.
          1. K-612-O
            K-612-O 10 August 2019 08: 54
            +20
            This is really a lie. I wrote below about these elements.
            You better remember how everyone laughed and talked about fairy tales when they talked about these compact batteries for the first time.
            1. vasilii
              vasilii 10 August 2019 09: 10
              -17
              Quote: K-612-O
              You better remember how everyone laughed and talked about fairy tales when they talked about these compact batteries for the first time.

              It is not necessary to assume that people are unable to distinguish a radioisotope battery from a nuclear rocket engine.
              1. Mestny
                Mestny 10 August 2019 11: 20
                +22
                For the most part, people are unable to distinguish TV control panels from each other, and vice versa are only able to scream about what they read on the Internet.
                With the exception of a few specialists.
                1. Gogia
                  Gogia 10 August 2019 16: 44
                  +15
                  Radioisotope batteries are built on isotopes of alpha and beta decay. Its batteries are few. 30 km away. they will not give any background enhancement. If the background increase was in Severodvinsk - this is gamma radiation essno. So it became clear to all experts on what the accident happened there. Moreover, I do not think that radioisotope batteries are placed on zircon - there they are not needed. The return is scanty. Very fast currents are needed to quickly spin gyroscopes - only Lithium, Acid, Silver-Zinc, etc. can give them. batteries. Sorry for the guys. Usually sensible specialists ride on trials.
                  1. region58
                    region58 11 August 2019 01: 46
                    +2
                    Quote: Gogia
                    For quick spin gyroscopes

                    You want to say that in Russia, one of the few countries producing fiber-optic and laser gyroscopes, mechanical gyroscopes are putting promising products on developed ones? I do not believe (s) ...
                    1. Gogia
                      Gogia 11 August 2019 21: 51
                      0
                      I will not say which, because I do not know. However, I can say one thing: then isotopic batteries are all the more unnecessary - they will be perfectly replaced by cheap lithium or silver-zinc (compared to the price of isotopic)
                      1. region58
                        region58 11 August 2019 22: 23
                        0
                        Quote: Gogia
                        then isotopic batteries are all the more unnecessary - they will be perfectly replaced by cheap lithium or silver-zinc batteries (compared to the price of isotopic batteries)

                        They didn’t wonder why they quite find their application, despite their shortcomings? This is me, from afar, and irrespective of this case.
                  2. DED_peer_DED
                    DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 10: 42
                    0
                    Quote: Gogia
                    I do not think that radioisotope batteries are placed on zircon - there they are not needed.

                    At least one sensible comment.
                    Quote: Gogia
                    Silver zinc

                    Plusanul.
          2. wave
            wave 10 August 2019 08: 57
            -8
            Yes, there is such Valery Valery.
            I bet the Norwegians will soon bequeath with the Finns
            1. sir.jonn
              sir.jonn 10 August 2019 09: 08
              +6
              Quote: val
              Yes, there is such Valery Valery.
              I bet the Norwegians will soon bequeath with the Finns

              The wind on that day southeast blew and the release was insignificant, except perhaps in the epicenter nafonil.
              1. DED_peer_DED
                DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 10: 45
                0
                Like .... dirty bomb, it turned out. Locally, not much. Not the head of nuclear weapons exploded regularly. The engine smashed and littered.
          3. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 10 August 2019 08: 58
            -1
            Quote: vasilii
            And now let's remember how we were confidently told that this was all a lie, a fake, and there was no radiation in Severodvinsk and could not be.

            So the article says this
            Immediately after the explosion, from 11:50 to 12:20, a sharp increase in the radiation background was recorded in Severodvinsk, up to 2 microsievert per hour.

            Then the level began to decline sharply ... Currently, the radiation level is 0,1 microsievert per hour, there is no threat to the population.

            There was a slight short-term increase. Do you want to draw a parallel with Chernobyl?
            The publication also emphasizes that, according to Rospotrebnadzor, with an x-ray, for example, of the food organs, the patient receives up to 3,3 millisievert per procedure.
          4. Grits
            Grits 10 August 2019 09: 09
            +40
            Quote: vasilii
            And now let's remember how we were confidently told that this was all a lie, a fake, and there was no radiation in Severodvinsk and could not be.

            I lived and worked for a long time in Severodvinsk, and I know that it is useless to deceive residents of the city about radiation and to feed fakes. Do not forget that this is the Center for Atomic Shipbuilding, and what radiation is known to residents of Severodvinsk. Almost half of the city works in factories that are radiation hazardous facilities, many have their own dosimeters. Plus, at all walk-through plants, there are signs that, in addition to time, show the level of radiation background. They are very far visible.
            1. revnagan
              revnagan 10 August 2019 14: 45
              0
              Excuse me, here
              http://joyreactor.cc/17178
              dig an article on this state of emergency. Could you comment on it? What is the truth, what is not? Or maybe there is a special RHBZ here on the site?
          5. Ramzaj99
            Ramzaj99 10 August 2019 10: 37
            +2
            Quote: vasilii
            And now let's remember how we were confidently told that this was all a lie, a fake, and there was no radiation in Severodvinsk and could not be.

            "a report on a short-term increase in the background radiation. It clarified that at the time of publication, the background was normalized and the readings of the sensors did not exceed 0,11 microsievert per hour with the maximum allowable 0,6."
            With x-rays about 3.3. I see no reason to panic ........
            1. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 10 August 2019 11: 08
              +4
              Quote: Ramzaj99
              do not exceed 0,11 microsievert per hour with a maximum of 0,6.

              belaythe urban background is 0.9-0.12 microsievert / hour - we have dosimeters at all sites for receiving scrap of ferrous metals, and all the receivers have dosimeters and they measure this scrap every day and write it in a journal .....
              1. Ramzaj99
                Ramzaj99 10 August 2019 11: 17
                -6
                Quote: Tiksi-3
                Quote: Ramzaj99
                do not exceed 0,11 microsievert per hour with a maximum of 0,6.

                belaythe urban background is 0.9-0.12 microsievert / hour - we have dosimeters at all sites for receiving scrap of ferrous metals, and all the receivers have dosimeters and they measure this scrap every day and write it in a journal .....

                I don’t know what you have in landfills ......
                Information from "Press Service of the Severodvinsk Administration, 09.08.2019/16/42 XNUMX:XNUMX"
                1. Tiksi-3
                  Tiksi-3 10 August 2019 11: 32
                  +11
                  Quote: Ramzaj99
                  I don’t know what you have in landfills .....

                  You will see the landfill in your entrance .... and we have production sites for the collection, storage and recycling of ferrous and non-ferrous metal scrap, are regulated by GOSTs, and this activity is licensed, the radiation background is checked for every batch of goods received, the magazine data is transmitted in the structure of the Ministry of Emergencies in case the background is too high, the presence of such production sites in the city determines the statistics for all territories, and you are trying to be rude, is it harmful .... truncated?
                  Read the article carefully, it may help, although this case is special
                  1. Ramzaj99
                    Ramzaj99 10 August 2019 11: 53
                    -6
                    Quote: Tiksi-3
                    You will see the landfill in your entrance .... and we have production sites for the collection, storage and processing of scrap of ferrous and non-ferrous metals,

                    I have no idea which
                    you site, but in general it’s not interesting.
                    I gave the numbers from the official briefing. Believing these figures or not is a personal matter for everyone.
                    At the entrance, I have a very clean and even made repairs. Since a long time HOA and self-government.
                    it is harmful .... truncated?

                    Rudeness to a stranger is not a sign of the mind.
                    And to threaten, his complete absence ....
                    1. Tiksi-3
                      Tiksi-3 10 August 2019 11: 57
                      +2
                      Quote: Ramzaj99
                      I brought the numbers from the official briefing

                      I read the article carefully, unlike you
                      Quote: Ramzaj99
                      Rudeness to a stranger is not a sign of the mind.

                      Quote: Ramzaj99
                      I don’t know what you have in landfills ......

                      are you to yourself? ... very self-critical
                      Quote: Ramzaj99
                      And threaten

                      is this a warning to you about your rudeness, have you read the rules of VO at least once?
                      1. Ramzaj99
                        Ramzaj99 10 August 2019 12: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: Tiksi-3
                        is this a warning to you about your rudeness, have you read the rules of VO at least once?

                        1.. Rudeness was not. For the dump, if I offended, I apologize. In my understanding, taking iron is a dump of this particular iron.
                        2. I already have two hanging, I heard something.))
                        3. Therefore, the dialogue ends.
            2. revnagan
              revnagan 10 August 2019 14: 45
              0
              Or maybe you will comment on this:
              http://joyreactor.cc/17178
              Is that all wrong?
            3. freejack
              freejack 11 August 2019 21: 56
              0
              I see no reason to panic ........

              You don’t see ... Understanding, for the most part, they also understand everything ... But for a mammal, a liberoid, this free jam is for bread ... negative

              Now they will fart in all the speakers that it is Fokushima + Chernobyl x 10!

              Sorry for those who died - Eternal memory! hi
              And those are sorry for those who are now with burns - a quick recovery! hi
              To go first is to go through trial and error. Alas! hi
          6. Piramidon
            Piramidon 10 August 2019 10: 52
            +9
            Quote: vasilii
            And now let's remember how we were confidently told that this was all a lie, a fake, and there was no radiation in Severodvinsk and could not be.

            Even if the X-ray machine in a regional clinic is destroyed, a slight short-term increase in the radiation background in a small area will also occur. And here, after all, the scouts were almost screaming about the explosion of a nuclear warhead in a nuclear reactor at a nuclear power plant.
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 10 August 2019 11: 21
              +6
              For them, the main thing is to shout that the authorities are lying.
          7. lucul
            lucul 10 August 2019 11: 24
            +5
            And now let's remember how we were confidently told that this was all a lie, a fake, and there was no radiation in Severodvinsk and could not be.

            C'mon - the Americans were on the Moon, where the radiation is much more - and nothing, all the participants in the landing survived to the age of gray)))
            1. Charik
              Charik 12 August 2019 04: 24
              0
              they all died a long time ago, in my opinion Baz Aldrin last year 2 years ago
          8. Charik
            Charik 12 August 2019 04: 20
            -2
            as if Rosatom would tell the truth that it exploded
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 10 August 2019 10: 28
          +2
          Quote: Igor Shcherbina
          And the explosion occurred because they discovered a new invention in rocket science?

          Have you tried to read the article?
          The explosion allegedly occurred during test mobile launcher for hypersonic rocket "Zircon"
          1. lucul
            lucul 10 August 2019 10: 40
            +8
            Have you tried to read the article?

            Yes, the main thing for him to throw ...
            It will definitely be under a purely Russian nickname, some Ivan Ivanov. )))
        3. Pajamas
          Pajamas 12 August 2019 04: 20
          0
          Quote: Igor Shcherbina
          And the explosion occurred because they discovered a new invention in rocket science? All incidents and accidents all their lives occurred in a complex violation, when a disaster occurred due to a chain of incorrect actions and violations.


          Yes, they opened a new, experimental setup.
      2. Gogia
        Gogia 10 August 2019 16: 45
        +1
        For example, 1 out of 10 tests of engines for hydrogen peroxide ended with a baboom. The reason could be a speck of dust in the tank with an oxidizing agent.
      3. morgan_67
        morgan_67 11 August 2019 17: 04
        0
        "It is for this purpose and tested, in order to reveal" - negligence and lack of professionalism.
      4. Charik
        Charik 12 August 2019 04: 17
        0
        who declared guilty
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 August 2019 08: 52
      0
      You would serve in the NKVD, everywhere pests.
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 10 August 2019 08: 58
        +19
        I myself work at Rosatom at the moment and know what I'm saying. And by training a military chemist, and in the service he worked with radiation constantly. So I write critically and objectively, without idiots and hysteria
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 10 August 2019 09: 23
          +9
          The Americans have published satellite images and say that it was Petrel, not Zircon.
          while in Russia it was speculated that the explosion could have occurred during the test of the Russian Zircon hypersonic missile (3M22), the American side published satellite imagery, which, they believe, depicts the launcher of the Burevestnik missile system with a nuclear power plant (SSC-X-9 by NATO classification).

          http://in24.org/world/36925
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 10 August 2019 09: 39
            +1
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            The Americans have published satellite images and say that it was Petrel, not Zircon.
            while in Russia it was speculated that the explosion could have occurred during the test of the Russian Zircon hypersonic missile (3M22), the American side published satellite imagery, which, they believe, depicts the launcher of the Burevestnik missile system with a nuclear power plant (SSC-X-9 by NATO classification).

            http://in24.org/world/36925

            We learn the truth in 50 years.
            In general, in my opinion, RTGs are big boxes, maybe of course they came up with something compact that fits into a rocket ... But what lithiums do not suit?
            1. vasilii
              vasilii 10 August 2019 09: 53
              +5
              Quote: Vol4ara
              In general, in my view, RTGs are big boxes

              Radioisotope sources and in pacemakers are used, for example.
          2. vasilii
            vasilii 10 August 2019 09: 48
            +1
            It is better to give such messages with reference to the source, in this case it is Reuters.

            https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-blast-usa/u-s-based-experts-suspect-russia-blast-involved-nuclear-powered-missile-idUSKCN1UZ2H5

            And no one published satellite images for this particular case - rather, a piece of google maps was simply put into an article for illustration.
            1. vasilii
              vasilii 10 August 2019 10: 58
              +1
              Although I was still wrong, this is a satellite image showing the Serebryanka transport tanker, which is designed to collect and store radioactive waste. But not the fact that it is directly related to the explosion and release.

              https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk/status/1159617978641465344/photo/1
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 10 August 2019 09: 58
            -3
            That is, the Petrel YNVRD exploded. This is confirmed by the fact that before the start-up, the reactor installation itself is put into a pre-critical state - something happened to the control system and the reactor installation went into a critical state and an explosion occurred, in the process the fuel also added to the explosion power.
            1. slipped
              slipped 10 August 2019 10: 23
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              That is, the Petrel YNVRD exploded.


              About the radiative cooling of the LRE no, I have not heard. laughing The petrel exploded .... it must be.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 10 August 2019 10: 54
                0
                "About radiation cooling of rocket engine nope". What is this anyway? To "cool" the reactor assembly, rod inserts made of hafnium, cadmium and other materials can be used; in the pre-launch state, cooling can be carried out through special connectors on the rocket itself, through which liquid from the support vehicle is supplied to the cooling circuit, at the time of launch the liquid from the circuit cooling leaves, the connectors are closed, the supply pipes are disconnected, the decelerating rods leave the circuit, the reactor goes into a critical state, ttrd accelerates the rocket, the YAPVRD switches to cooling the reactor assembly by incoming air flows and supplied fuel.
            2. Piramidon
              Piramidon 10 August 2019 11: 05
              -2
              Quote: Vadim237
              That is, the Petrel YNVRD exploded

              Another "investigator"? No, the nuclear warhead of a missile on a nuclear submarine, which was moored to a floating nuclear power plant, exploded. What are you zadolbali, fakecomets. negative fool
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 10 August 2019 11: 27
                0
                Do not tell me what kind of "isotope power source" is this - which can explode with such force that it breaks the body of the rocket, the launcher and kills everyone in the area, moreover, it causes an increase in the radiation level from 0,10 μSv / hour to 2 μSv / hour ... on an area of ​​over 200 square kilometers.
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 10 August 2019 11: 31
                  +5
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Do not tell me what kind of "isotope power source" is this - which can explode with such force that it breaks the body of the rocket, the launcher and kills everyone in the area, moreover, it causes an increase in the radiation level from 0,10 μSv / hour to 2 μSv / hour ... on an area of ​​over 200 square kilometers.

                  It was not the RIIP that exploded, but the engine itself, as a result, this same power source was destroyed.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 10 August 2019 11: 51
                    0
                    Well, yes - the heptyl engine took it and exploded during transportation. But even this option does not explain this - "An increase in the radiation level from 0,10 µSv / h to 2 µSv / h. Over an area of ​​more than 200 square kilometers."
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 10 August 2019 12: 02
                      0
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      But even this option does not explain this.

                      I don’t know what happened there, but I doubt that in the event of the release of radioactive materials, the matter would be limited to raising the background by a couple of hours.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 10 August 2019 15: 30
                        0
                        Even as it can - and notice these indicators were shot in Severodvinsk 30 kilometers from the place of emergency.
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 10 August 2019 15: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        Still how can

                        The outbreak of radiation and the infection of RA with substances of the territory are two different things. In the second case, no one gets off a couple of hours.
                    2. Piramidon
                      Piramidon 10 August 2019 13: 02
                      0
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      during transportation he took and exploded

                      And where did you get that the explosion occurred during transportation? Fantasy and speculation?
                      Presumably explosion occurred during testing mobile launcher for the Zircon hypersonic missile.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 10 August 2019 15: 29
                        -2
                        "The explosion at the Severodvinsk military range took place in the course of engineering and technical support for isotope power sources on a liquid propulsion system." This is not in the process of being tested - but in transportation to the test site.
                      2. Piramidon
                        Piramidon 10 August 2019 15: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        "The explosion at the Severodvinsk military range took place in the course of engineering and technical support for isotope power sources on a liquid propulsion system." This is not in the process of being tested - but in transportation to the test site.

                        Do not confuse engineering and technical support, which means quality control, with transportation.
                      3. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 10 August 2019 16: 15
                        0
                        In any case, the product exploded - the consequences: the death of 5 people and contamination with radioactive dust of the territory within a radius of 30 kilometers.
                  2. DED_peer_DED
                    DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 10: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: Piramidon
                    It was not the RIIP that exploded, but the engine itself, as a result, this same power source was destroyed.

                    5 dead (and how many were not dead?) Rosatom employees when testing a rocket in which there was also some kind of "isotope battery"?
                    Is it not too much?
                    On unattended (almost) lighthouses still in the USSR, did they put these?
                    How many Rossatom employees went to the lighthouse to install batteries?
                2. K-612-O
                  K-612-O 11 August 2019 13: 05
                  +1
                  Who told you about the rocket then?
            3. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 10 August 2019 13: 19
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              That is, the Petrel YNVRD exploded

              Eprst! Where does this "extremely smart" insight come from? Just like that on the move, in a jump, determine that it was not just the "Petrel" that exploded, but that it was also equipped with a YAPVRD! Not YARDTT, not YATRD, not YAPuVRD, namely this "eklmn"! Finally, the obvious-incredible! request It remains only to convey to the enthusiastic listeners the scheme of the "Petrel" propulsion system, to "decipher" the abbreviation "YAPVRD"! And then we have to be perplexed: if this is a ramjet engine, then why is the "Petrel" subsonic !? fool
              PSA at the same time I would like to clarify, pliz, faq is the "radioactive background" so quickly back to normal !?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 10 August 2019 15: 26
                +3
                If you look at the photograph at the Petrel’s air intake
                there is also a speed of about 1000 kilometers per hour for a nuclear rocket-propelled engine - a nuclear ramjet engine, such a plan is more or less acceptable for mixing, burning fuel and removing heat from the circuit of the reactor assembly. The radiation level always goes down as decay products - not all short-lived ones make a significant contribution to the decrease in the radiation level by scattering by the wind and "Immediately after the explosion, in the period from 11:50 to 12:20, a sharp increase in the background radiation was recorded in Severodvinsk, up to 2 microsieverts per hour ". This city is located 30 kilometers from the accident site - the increase in radiation 20 times in 30 minutes - the accident site itself probably glows, in this situation. And about the explosion of an isotope power source that caused such a sharp increase in radiation over a vast territory - tell the grandmas.
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 10 August 2019 17: 55
                  0
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  If you look at the photograph at the Petrel’s air intake

                  But why ?!! Why ramjet? Why not a turbojet engine, not a PuVRD? (They also have air intakes ...)
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  nuclear ramjet engine of such a plan is less suitable for mixing, burning fuel and heat removal from the reactor assembly circuit.
                  Is a ramjet engine more acceptable? How? The thrust of the "vigorous" engine will depend on the product of the mass of the outflowing air and the outflow velocity (per second ...). In the case of YAPVRD, we will not touch the air mass for the time being ... we will "stop" at the "outflow". This parameter depends on the calorific value of the "fuel"; those. A small nuclear reactor should oh ... oh, how great it should be "hot-hot"! Here you have to worry a lot not only about radiation protection, but also about thermal ...! But even many "scientists" cannot imagine a scheme of a working nuclear engine (reactor), in particular, according to a ramjet engine, the required calorific value (terribly hot!) In the dimensions of a "Petrel", "low-radioactive" and within the "framework" of current technologies .. . (materials, sir!) The mass of exhaust air can be increased at a given speed characteristic of the KR using a "compressor on a turbine" (turbojet engine or turbojet engine) ... insufficient calorific value can be tried to "get around from the rear" by increasing the heating time using a special scheme one of the varieties of a pulsating jet engine (PuVRD). That is, I want to say that if a nuclear jet (rocket) engine is real, then a turbojet engine or a PuVRD scheme is more realistic for practical use than a ramjet engine at a subsonic flight speed of the KR ...
                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 10 August 2019 18: 12
                    -1
                    PS By the way, with any version of a nuclear rocket engine, in the event of an explosion, a "short-term" increase in radioactivity cannot be avoided!
                    1. DED_peer_DED
                      DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 10: 59
                      0
                      Quote: Nikolaevich I
                      By the way, with any version of a nuclear rocket engine, in the event of an explosion, a "short-term" increase in radioactivity cannot be avoided!

                      Get off.
                      If a non-nuclear explosion burst (if there was no reaction ...). Ah, it’s just scattered.
                      1. Nikolaevich I
                        Nikolaevich I 11 August 2019 12: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: DED_peer_DED
                        vigorous just scattered.

                        The difference in radioactive contamination between a nuclear explosion and "just scattered" - in the contaminated area ... (we do not pay attention to the composition of radioactive substances - the fact of radioactive contamination is important ...) With the help of modern equipment, even limited areas of radiation contamination are detected "from afar." ..
                      2. Alex_59
                        Alex_59 12 August 2019 09: 44
                        0
                        Quote: DED_peer_DED
                        Get off.
                        If a non-nuclear explosion burst

                        Neither Chernobyl nor Fukushima had a nuclear explosion, but everything was infected seriously and permanently. There was a nuclear explosion at the Totsky training ground, however, after 2-3 days, it was possible to spend several hours in the epicenter without protective equipment and there was no threat of catching an overdose (the training was visited at the epicenter, which was not prone to putting itself at risk).
                        This is so, information for consideration.
                  2. kuz363
                    kuz363 11 August 2019 08: 09
                    0
                    The longer the missile is in flight, the more time the enemy has to detect and bring it down
            4. DED_peer_DED
              DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 10: 51
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              that before starting up, the reactor installation itself is transferred to a pre-critical state -

              I doubt very much that SHE from it - starts.
              First you need to disperse something.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 11 August 2019 12: 11
                +1
                They accelerate the turbojet engine with an accelerator - I wrote about it above.
          4. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat 10 August 2019 10: 24
            -8
            Here you go.
            . Why did you give out the point of view of Yusovtsev? They said that it was hypersonic, which means that it was so. The patriot should not doubt, otherwise the break of the template and all that ... And in the USA they only lie ... yes ...
            1. maximum 8
              maximum 8 10 August 2019 10: 44
              -2
              Most likely, the Petrel engine exploded.
              "By coincidence, at the time of the fire, Rosatom employees were checking isotope power sources developed for a liquid-propellant rocket plant," the agency's source said.

              https://ria.ru/20190810/1557365082.html
              1. DED_peer_DED
                DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 11: 08
                -1
                Quote: maximum 8
                Most likely, the Petrel engine exploded.

                Most likely HE was just there. In the product.
                The starting engine exploded.
                Otherwise, radiation would be more.
            2. Charik
              Charik 12 August 2019 04: 28
              0
              yes they wrap up such a star
          5. Nikolka
            Nikolka 10 August 2019 12: 33
            +2
            Omnipresent Americans ... Why did they hide the pictures of the "Russian" Buk that MH17 shot down?
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 10 August 2019 11: 03
          0
          Quote: K-612-O
          So I write critically and objectively, without idiots and hysteria

          Our media can create an elephant from a fly, and make black from white.
        3. revnagan
          revnagan 10 August 2019 14: 48
          -1
          Excuse me, then I'm to you. Here I dug up an article:
          http://joyreactor.cc/17178
          What is true and what is not?
        4. kuz363
          kuz363 11 August 2019 08: 07
          0
          Well, look for another job for the disclosure of military secrets.
      2. lucul
        lucul 10 August 2019 10: 43
        +1
        You would serve in the NKVD, everywhere pests.

        And what is wrong ?
        Let me remind you that the former director of Nativ (from 1999 to 2006) Zvi Magen wrote a book in which he unequivocally stated that the entire Jewish movement in the Union was under control and in contact with the West.
        1. Private-K
          Private-K 10 August 2019 12: 05
          -1
          Can I have an exact reference?
          1. lucul
            lucul 10 August 2019 12: 12
            +2
            Can I have an exact reference?

            No problem
            1. Private-K
              Private-K 10 August 2019 15: 18
              +1
              Thank you.
        2. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 11: 09
          0
          Quote: lucul
          было

          Here you are, wrong ... laughing
    3. Charik
      Charik 12 August 2019 04: 17
      0
      the man wondered if they had made him look like he had written disgusting things about Russia
  2. Kramb
    Kramb 10 August 2019 08: 08
    -20
    Fuck, people drink iodine en masse ... and in the news "there is no threat to the population."
    1. BigBoss
      BigBoss 10 August 2019 08: 13
      -20
      Do you naive still believe our news ??? Russian TV has long surpassed TV in Soviet times.
      1. cniza
        cniza 10 August 2019 08: 18
        +4
        For the sake of money from advertising and other profits, they write and speak without a twinge of conscience just to make money, but what really? I'm afraid we won’t know.
      2. Charik
        Charik 12 August 2019 04: 32
        -1
        especially the first and 24
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 10 August 2019 08: 16
      +8
      Quote: Kramb
      Fuck, people drink iodine en masse ... and in the news "there is no threat to the population."

      So what? People and vodka are drinking in bulk.
      There would be a threat, the population would be evacuated.
      In Krasnoyarsk Territory, warehouses rushed, the population was evacuated and everything is in order, no one is hiding anything
      1. wave
        wave 10 August 2019 09: 00
        -29
        Dear, recall the May 1 demonstration in Kiev after Chernobyl?
        And the release of ruthenium at the lighthouse?
        People for power is dust, tradition .... women still give birth.
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 10 August 2019 09: 06
          +21
          I just don’t need about ruthenium, I work in this industry! With all your desire, ruthenium will not reach Europa from the Lighthouse, even if there is an ejection. With this fake browser.
          1. wave
            wave 10 August 2019 09: 13
            -20
            There were messages, the Lighthouse was silent. The French also wrote the Germans.
            1. K-612-O
              K-612-O 10 August 2019 09: 16
              +11
              The lighthouse did not keep silent, but immediately declared that this was nonsense. And once again I tell you, to Germany or France, even from the New Earth, after the explosions, almost nothing reached, and the isotope that lives for less than a month damn flew. Himself not funny?
              1. wave
                wave 10 August 2019 09: 39
                -16
                So now they said that nonsense, there is no radiation :-) :-) :-) :-)
                And what else can they say, "it's not us, they didn't serve us and were fired yesterday?"
          2. SSR
            SSR 10 August 2019 10: 44
            +5
            Quote: K-612-O
            I just don’t need about ruthenium, I work in this industry! With all your desire, ruthenium will not reach Europa from the Lighthouse, even if there is an ejection. With this fake browser.

            + already rutenoids tired of stuffing.

            Conclusion
            That, in fact, is the whole sensation. As expected, the IAEA did not confirm the version of the German department; there could not be otherwise. Radioactivity control points on the territory of Russia do not hide their data, you can really get acquainted with them online. The version of German "specialists" can be implemented in only one way: 106Ru immediately after its "leak in the South Urals" starts vertically up into outer space, and after planet Earth rotates the required number of degrees, it dives into Europe no less rapidly.


            http://geoenergetics.ru/2017/10/19/magate-stavit-tochku-v-skandale-vokrug-ruteniya/
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 10 August 2019 09: 07
          +3
          Quote: val
          Dear, recall the May 1 demonstration in Kiev after Chernobyl?

          Refer to your sexual partner.
          When asking a question, please indicate to whom.
          I do not consider anonymous letters and do not answer them
          For all questions of the May 1 demonstration, contact the leadership of the former USSR
          1. wave
            wave 10 August 2019 10: 01
            -16
            Concerned about?
            It happens, but I can’t help. :-)
        3. svp67
          svp67 10 August 2019 09: 16
          +6
          Quote: val
          Dear, recall the May 1 demonstration in Kiev after Chernobyl?

          So what? The main winds from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, while blowing towards Russia and Belarus, Kiev generally got a minimum. The most MINIMUM. And most importantly, after May 1 people left Kiev? And who didn’t live there?
          Quote: val
          And the release of ruthenium at the lighthouse?
          Well, well, who even said that it was "Lighthouse"? Yes, it was recorded next to him, but only due to the fact that there are a bunch of radiation monitoring stations in a circle, with such a density that you can hardly find anywhere on the planet. And the most interesting thing is that the level of this pollution there was less than over the same Romania.
          1. wave
            wave 10 August 2019 09: 41
            -12
            There is a map of the infection of Ukraine by cesium on the network. And syabram, yes, flew the most.
            But the Lighthouse has nothing to do with it. Not the first time.
            1. svp67
              svp67 10 August 2019 09: 48
              +2
              Quote: val
              There is a map of the infection of Ukraine by cesium on the network.

              Yes there is. In general, there are a lot of infection cards. The question is for what period of time this infection passed. Kiev got a lot from the Dnieper, this is when the infected water went through it, not only did it get to it.
              Quote: val
              And syabram, yes, flew the most.

              There is no reason to argue here, but Russia also got more from the Bryansk region than most regions of Ukraine, and certainly Kiev.
              Quote: val
              But the Lighthouse has nothing to do with it. Not the first time.

              Well, yes ... even the "radioactive trace" from it still passes like a "Kyshtym" one, but it is thanks to him that everything is under very tight control there. Under very much.
              So for the sake of illustration, from personal experience. Once, at the border of this zone, a machine was stopped and sent for decontamination, working on the territory of one of the enterprises of the nuclear industry and undergoing constant monitoring there without comment.
          2. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 10 August 2019 09: 55
            +3
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: val
            Dear, recall the May 1 demonstration in Kiev after Chernobyl?

            So what? The main winds from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, while blowing towards Russia and Belarus, Kiev generally got a minimum. The most MINIMUM. And most importantly, after May 1 people left Kiev? And who didn’t live there?

            It blew towards Belarus, only in Minsk the background was normal, and in Kiev it reached 5 x-rays with the usual 20 micro-roentgen ...
            And that Kiev was evacuated after the first of May? Can share information, write an article about the evacuation of Kiev after the first?
            1. svp67
              svp67 10 August 2019 10: 02
              +5
              Quote: Vol4ara
              It blew towards Belarus, only in Minsk the background was normal, and in Kiev it reached 5 x-rays with the usual 20 micro-roentgen ...

              This is the situation in Kiev in the 1986 year


              And here is the "strontium trace" of Chernobyl, it is clear who got the most ...

              And one more thing ...

              One thing I will say is that Minsk was very lucky, very much that you can’t say about Mogilev
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 10 August 2019 10: 15
                0
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: Vol4ara
                It blew towards Belarus, only in Minsk the background was normal, and in Kiev it reached 5 x-rays with the usual 20 micro-roentgen ...

                This is the situation in Kiev in the 1986 year


                And here is the "strontium trace" of Chernobyl, it is clear who got the most ...

                And one more thing ...

                One thing I will say is that Minsk was very lucky, very much that you can’t say about Mogilev

                That's right, but at 0.5 mph / h walking around the city is still not high. And the wind is like that, now it’s blowing there, in a minute it can blow here, they are such forecasts, they do not always come true
                1. svp67
                  svp67 10 August 2019 10: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Vol4ara
                  That's right, but in 0.5 mr / h, walking around the city is still not high

                  I agree.
        4. gsev
          gsev 10 August 2019 09: 22
          +3
          In general, the radiation level in the sanatorium on the Pripyat River a few weeks after the Chernobyl accident was not higher than what it usually was in the 1980s in the Krasnoyarsk-26 area. So no one can say for sure that the health of Kyivans suffered more from radiation or from the uncontrolled consumption of iodine preparations immediately after Chernobyl.
          1. svp67
            svp67 10 August 2019 10: 18
            +4
            Quote: gsev
            So no one can say for sure that the health of Kyivans suffered more from radiation or from the uncontrolled consumption of iodine preparations immediately after Chernobyl.

            Or from a sharp increase in the consumption of wine and vodka in that period
          2. tsvetkov1274
            tsvetkov1274 10 August 2019 11: 30
            0
            With "Nines"? hi
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 10 August 2019 12: 32
        +5
        Quote: Lipchanin
        So what? People and vodka are drinking in bulk.

        All the rules, the guys found each other:
        Quote: Kramb
        and in the news "there is no threat to the population."

        Quote: BigBoss
        Do you naive still believe our news ???

        And yes, there is a whole category of citizens who simply experience a pathological craving for "fried", a kind of carcinogenic drug addiction. One such yesterday here all day rushed along the "branches", drove a wave. And someone already initially "knows what's the matter" yes :
        Quote: val
        People for power is dust, tradition .... women still give birth.

        And such a foam rises around any incident. am
        1. KrokodilGena
          KrokodilGena 11 August 2019 00: 25
          0
          Well, yes, scattering nuclear waste and increasing radiation near settlements is such rubbish, foam! It is better that there Ukrainians discuss.
    3. Mouse
      Mouse 10 August 2019 08: 17
      +5
      Fuck, people massively drink iodine ...

      as our media will present, you’ll still not drink ... wink
    4. K-612-O
      K-612-O 10 August 2019 08: 18
      +19
      Our people are still the same. 200 micro-roentgen is nothing at all, I got 50-70 milirentgen every day in the service and this again is not above the norm, you get 3 mil-roentgen on a USB stick, you didn’t see that after that iodine ran to drink.
      And what is striking is such a hysterical state in the region in which more than 100 nuclear explosions were conducted.
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 10 August 2019 09: 03
        -5
        The background value of the radiation level in this area is 0.1 microsievert. The limit level at which an alarm is declared is 0.6 microsievert or 60 micro-roentgen. In Fukushima, the population was evacuated at such radiation levels. Here, a level of more than 3 times greater is recorded.
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 10 August 2019 09: 11
          +10
          It is only necessary to consider that such measures are taken if during the day there is no decrease in the value of radiation pollution or it increases and evacuation occurs, only in the area of ​​1 km from the source of infection
        2. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 10 August 2019 10: 04
          +4
          Quote: syndicalist
          The background value of the radiation level in this area is 0.1 microsievert. The limit level at which an alarm is declared is 0.6 microsievert or 60 micro-roentgen. In Fukushima, the population was evacuated at such radiation levels. Here, a level of more than 3 times greater is recorded.

          And you can source information about Fukushima and evacuation, because 60 micro-roentgen is nothing. On the granite embankment of St. Petersburg, 61 mcg on average, people stand at home and live on it, in the mountains an average of 30-40 mcg
      2. wave
        wave 10 August 2019 09: 16
        -1
        Background from 20 to 40 MICROREGEN.
        There is still a book in the Soviet NRB. They are registered there. Both for citizens and for NPP employees.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 10 August 2019 10: 02
          +3
          Dangerous levels of radiation for humans from 0,5 Sievert.
      3. tinkle
        tinkle 10 August 2019 19: 53
        +3
        I am a Severodvino, I know the situation from the inside. Tantrums in the internet are sitting. Most as before in the cottages, berries, fishing.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 10 August 2019 23: 34
          +2
          By the way, berries, mushrooms and fish are good capacitors for radioactive isotopes and heavy metals.
    5. bistrov.
      bistrov. 10 August 2019 08: 33
      +4
      On any pack of cigarettes it is directly written: - "smoking kills", but none of the smokers pays attention to this "threat", even women smoke, and then there are some 3 X-rays, you can get more from the luminous dial ...
      1. wave
        wave 10 August 2019 09: 03
        -5
        Oh well .... long removed such a dusting with ASF. But the indicator of the counter of shells is a plane phonite scary. My acquaintance bought one from me, they slowed down at customs in the Baltic states, it cracked so that all customs escaped :-)
    6. K-612-O
      K-612-O 10 August 2019 08: 42
      +7
      And, by the way, it is not necessary to drink iodine, but milk, with intolerance there is cottage cheese.
      1. PN
        PN 10 August 2019 08: 44
        -4
        Vodka. She helps too. And milk must be natural. Try to find good milk in the store ...
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 10 August 2019 09: 00
          +2
          Quote: PN
          Vodka. She helps too.

          Red wine
          1. PN
            PN 10 August 2019 10: 12
            +1
            Vodka, it’s more effective.
      2. wave
        wave 10 August 2019 09: 17
        -4
        The first three days to saturate the thyroid gland. In general, potassium iodide in the medicine cabinet for this.
    7. Rwmos
      Rwmos 10 August 2019 08: 51
      +20
      People massively drink iodine. because he listens a lot to different snowstorms in shit, by the way, which, by the way, is characteristic of mostly debilitating rains - they are not responsible for their words.
      Iodine makes sense to drink only if there was a release of radioactive IODINE! It accumulates in the thyroid gland. If there is no iodine (but don’t go to a fortuneteller) - this is absolutely not the case, red wine is better
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 10 August 2019 08: 54
        +18
        Quote: RWMos
        only if there was a release of radioactive IODINE!

        Which only in the reactors is working and then not immediately.
        But this cannot be explained to deer and provocateurs - at the first, horns grow directly from the brain, and the second at work here.
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 10 August 2019 10: 20
          +3
          Quote: Gray Brother
          Quote: RWMos
          only if there was a release of radioactive IODINE!

          Which only in the reactors is working and then not immediately.
          But this cannot be explained to deer and provocateurs - at the first, horns grow directly from the brain, and the second at work here.

          And then in case of failure of the reactor in the "iodine pit" with a drop in power, which happened in Chernobyl
    8. Cat man null
      Cat man null 10 August 2019 08: 52
      +11
      Quote: Kramb
      people massively drink iodine

      Does he drink exactly? And there is no one to measure the radiation, or what? I have, for example, since the 90s, "Pine" has been lying, just for every occasion ...

      Were there a really elevated background - now the entire Internet would be on your ears. And so - a couple of stuffing, and that's all ... somehow it doesn’t attract reliability request

      Although - what to take from a resident of Great Ukraine. Are you from there, are you, my friend? wink
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 10 August 2019 09: 01
        -2
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        You from there, so, buddy?

        Hmm ... negative
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 10 August 2019 09: 28
          +1
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Hmm ...

          There is such a thing - horse text. But being rude (directly) is forbidden here ... well, yes you are in the know laughing
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 10 August 2019 09: 35
            +1
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            well yes you are in the know

            Still would laughing hi
    9. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 August 2019 08: 53
      +9
      People with a fool and dichlorvos with beer drink.
    10. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 10 August 2019 09: 36
      +2
      Quote: Kramb
      Fuck, people drink iodine en masse ... and in the news "there is no threat to the population."

      Because the people are not educated in this area, and are afraid. If the decay product is not iodine 131, then drinking ordinary is useless
      1. wave
        wave 10 August 2019 09: 45
        -6
        Everything in stock :-)
        And if there is no information, proceed according to the Emergencies Ministry memo in the event of a nuclear accident.
        During the release in Chazhma, the information was from the military, the authorities were silent for a day.
    11. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 August 2019 11: 05
      +1
      Quote: Kramb
      people massively drink iodine

      Alcohol helps better.
    12. Piramidon
      Piramidon 10 August 2019 11: 12
      +4
      Quote: Kramb
      Fuck, people drink iodine en masse ... and in the news "there is no threat to the population."

      Not that people drink. As there Galich:
      And I’m being treated by Stolichnaya personally,
      So I don’t get mad:
      The source said that "Metropolitan"
      Very good for strontium!
      laughing
    13. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 11: 10
      0
      Quote: Kramb
      Fuck, people drink iodine en masse

      Dry?
      Or alcohol?
  3. acetophenone
    acetophenone 10 August 2019 08: 14
    +3
    Yes, it happens. Naturally, someone broke something. But, I will say from my own experience, there are no more or less complex tests without breaking the rules. Another thing is how much the employees assessed the risk. And such a competent specialist will always find a violation.
  4. olhon
    olhon 10 August 2019 08: 15
    0
    It is very strange that such a landfill is located near the village
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 10 August 2019 08: 25
      +6
      But is it strange that on Novaya Zemlya a nuclear test site is near the village?
    2. igordok
      igordok 10 August 2019 08: 51
      +7
      As a rule, n.p. to be near the landfill to service it.
  5. K-50
    K-50 10 August 2019 08: 15
    +3
    There is a thousandfold difference between a microsievert per hour and 3,3 millisievert per procedure. I don’t know what the dangerous dose of radiation is, I don’t remember already. sad
    "Proton" is just about to be decommissioned, and the rules for working with unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine (heptyl) fuel are already being lost.
    You need to be more careful and accurate. sad
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 10 August 2019 08: 24
      +11
      A dangerous dose of 5 x-rays (50 millisievert), so hello to our zhurnalyugam, illiterate, who are trying to create trash and panic from everything.
      1. PN
        PN 10 August 2019 08: 46
        0
        The North does not add health without radiation, so do not ulcerate.
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 10 August 2019 08: 51
          +9
          I just will not ulcerate, and even such a level of radiation is zilch. I have been missing a dose for 5 years every day in the service, now I sometimes go to Novaya Zemlya, for some reason nobody drinks iodine there either.
      2. wave
        wave 10 August 2019 09: 20
        -1
        Doses are different. You can get a hundred per month, or ten per minute. The second is much more dangerous.
        In general, instructed, began to show DP-5, run. And he started from 0,5 r.
      3. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 10 August 2019 10: 30
        -1
        Quote: K-612-O
        A dangerous dose of 5 x-rays (50 millisievert), so hello to our zhurnalyugam, illiterate, who are trying to create trash and panic from everything.

        For a resident of the emergency reactor compartment, maybe yes, but in general in Russia the maximum permissible background for the population is 65 mcr / h.
    2. bistrov.
      bistrov. 10 August 2019 08: 46
      +5
      Quote: K-50
      and the rules for working with fuel asymmetric dimethylhydrazine (heptyl) are already lost.

      It is doubtful that in the latest rocket, and even sea-based, heptyl is used, which is now being abandoned due to its exceptional toxicity.
      By the way, all my friends who were connected with working with him (the so-called tankers) held out on a military pension for no more than 10 years.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 10 August 2019 09: 17
        +3
        Quote: bistrov.
        It is doubtful that in the latest rocket, and even sea-based, heptyl is used,

        There is no question of a rocket, it is a launcher. To test it, it is not necessary to spend an expensive rocket - a rather cheap simulator, and it can work on anything.
        1. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 11: 14
          0
          Quote: Gray Brother
          a residually cheap simulator, and he can work on anything.

          And what do the representatives of Rossatom do there?
          Five dead and others like them?
      2. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 10 August 2019 10: 32
        +2
        Quote: bistrov.
        Quote: K-50
        and the rules for working with fuel asymmetric dimethylhydrazine (heptyl) are already lost.

        It is doubtful that in the latest rocket, and even sea-based, heptyl is used, which is now being abandoned due to its exceptional toxicity.
        By the way, all my friends who were connected with working with him (the so-called tankers) held out on a military pension for no more than 10 years.

        But it provides good traction, and in military equipment, efficiency is more important than environmental safety.
      3. K-50
        K-50 11 August 2019 20: 00
        0
        Quote: bistrov.
        It is surprising that in the latest rocket, and even sea-based, heptyl is used, which is now abandoned due to its exceptional toxicity.

        Kommersant, citing one of the military sailors, claims that the fuel was asymmetric dimethylhydrazine (heptyl), which combined with the oxidizing agent: this caused the explosion.

        From the text of the article. hi
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 August 2019 09: 09
      0
      Quote: K-50
      I really don’t know what is the dangerous dose of radiation, I don’t remember already

      The answer is simple in Chernobyl (not at the station) people received 350 mSv, 40000 mSv kyrdyk.
      1. wave
        wave 10 August 2019 09: 58
        -3
        Then the specialists operated on the sound.
        In everyday life, X-ray or BER.
        After Chernobyl went household type Bell, Pripyat with digitization in sound.
        And then the DP-5 and the individual drives in x-rays
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 10 August 2019 10: 06
        +2
        For a better understanding of radiation in life
  6. steelmaker
    steelmaker 10 August 2019 08: 18
    +10
    Now the technology is at such a level that the new, unbeknownst, is accompanied by the death of people unfortunately. So it was with atomic weapons and nuclear power plants, and space. My condolences to the families of the victims.
  7. Kramb
    Kramb 10 August 2019 08: 18
    -3
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Quote: Kramb
    Fuck, people drink iodine en masse ... and in the news "there is no threat to the population."

    There would be a threat, the population would be evacuated.

    In Chernobyl, too, "there was no threat to the population," only the authorities immediately evacuated their children from Kiev ... and the common people got them for distribution.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 10 August 2019 08: 30
      +15
      You would look at what level of infection there was, for starters.
      And radioisotope batteries, this is generally a very safe thing, can cause local pollution during destruction for a maximum of a day in a radius of no more than 100 meters.
      And on the question of the dose, you will be in the sun in the summer if you catch sunbathing 10 times more than 2 microsievert, but again, no one remembers this and does not want to know.
      1. wave
        wave 10 August 2019 09: 23
        -8
        Are RTGs safe?
        And when the Cosmos from orbit to Canada came up :-)
        Here they were delighted :-)
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 10 August 2019 10: 05
          +9
          These are already far from the elements without plutonium! Do not know the topic, do not fit.
        2. KCA
          KCA 10 August 2019 10: 14
          +4
          If you are such a specialist, why do you write nonsense? Or is it only audible pieces from the sofa? Which RTEG has fallen to Canada? Is this, in your opinion, RITEG?

          Cosmos-954 was equipped with a BES-5 nuclear power plant, also known under the code name Buk, from which a side-view radar was powered. The electric power of the installation was 3 kW at a thermal power of 100 kW, and the maximum service life of BES-5 was 124 (according to other sources, 135) days. The double-circuit installation had a BR-5A fast neutron reactor and a thermoelectric generator; the coolant of both circuits is sodium-potassium eutectic, the temperature in the first circuit is 700 ° C, in the second - 350 ° C. The weight of the entire installation is about 900 kg
          1. DED_peer_DED
            DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 11: 18
            0
            Quote: KCA
            Cosmos-954 was equipped with a BES-5 nuclear power plant,

            Dimensions ...?
            1. KCA
              KCA 11 August 2019 11: 34
              0
              Is your search disabled? Something like this, you yourself will find more details, the layout:

              1. DED_peer_DED
                DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 11: 38
                -2
                Sizes?
                And where to stick it in a rocket?
                You saw the size of a rocket to launch satellites into Earth orbit, have you seen?
                Compare?
                1. KCA
                  KCA 11 August 2019 15: 06
                  0
                  I see, I see how bubbles went through the puddle into which you farted, the Salyut-6 station, like Cosmos-954, launched in 1977, dimensions - length 14,4 meters, diameter 4,15 meters
                2. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 11 August 2019 16: 46
                  0
                  Quote: DED_peer_DED
                  Sizes?

                  Zhenya! Well you, right thing, how small! So much for the sizes, so you don’t ... get bored!
                  Cosmos-954 was equipped with a BES-5 nuclear power plant, also known under the code name Buk, from which a side-view radar was powered. The electric power of the installation was 3 kW at a thermal power of 100 kW, and the maximum service life of BES-5 was 124 (according to other sources, 135) days. The double-circuit installation had a BR-5A fast neutron reactor and a thermoelectric generator; the coolant of both circuits is sodium-potassium eutectic, the temperature in the first circuit is 700 ° C, in the second - 350 ° C. The weight of the entire installation is about 900 kg
      2. wave
        wave 10 August 2019 09: 50
        -4
        Fluro-annual dose.
        X-ray is five times more.
        Flight by plane at an altitude of 10 km 10 hours, a six-month dose.
        X-ray of teeth on an old apparatus, in general. Cover your eggs with a rug or tubing. They tried to introduce ind exposure cards for citizens in 2005, refused. So as not to scare.
      3. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 11: 17
        0
        So.
        Throw the X-ray machine into the trash, and then more radiation will come.
        But the battery cannot sniff.
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 10 August 2019 08: 54
      +4
      Quote: Kramb
      Kramb

    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 10 August 2019 09: 24
      -1
      Quote: Kramb
      In Chernobyl, too, "there was no threat to the population," only the authorities immediately evacuated their children from Kiev ... and the common people got them for distribution.

      Yes, that you put Chernobyl as an example ?? When it was?
      The country is different, the time is different, people are different.
      And the authorities are no longer there.
      And under what "distribution" did the people get?
      1. KrokodilGena
        KrokodilGena 11 August 2019 00: 38
        0
        Quote: Lipchanin
        The country is different, the time is different, people are different.

        In what sense is different, the name ?? Or in relation to citizens? As they spat on citizens and their health, it remained.
  8. Korpus
    Korpus 10 August 2019 08: 28
    +1
    Something often in Russia began to explode and burn, flood .. And against this background, the "protests" of those jumping in Moscow ...
    August has always been difficult for Russia!
    in Severodvinsk, a sharp increase in the radiation background was recorded, up to 2 microsievert per hour. It is reported by Kommersant

    I really liked this, the "merchants" are always aware of everything that concerns our military-industrial complex, etc. They want protests with beards to start in Severodvinsk ..)))) And it's cold there "gentlemen" and "Viskar" are not particularly appreciated in stores .. bully
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 11: 19
      0
      Quote: Korpus
      August has always been difficult for Russia!

      The month is to blame ....
      Ah, I thought ....
      Not.....
      A month, He is like that.
  9. Earthshaker
    Earthshaker 10 August 2019 08: 29
    -4
    Yes, if heptyl and amyl are true, then this is sad. As we lagged behind in the development of solid fuels, we lag behind.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 10 August 2019 09: 27
      +2
      Quote: Earthshaker
      As we lagged behind in the development of solid fuels, we lag behind.

      And who was trying to catch up?
      We almost always relied specifically on liquid fuel
      1. Earthshaker
        Earthshaker 10 August 2019 09: 59
        +2
        But not for cruise missiles. For ICBMs, a stretch of liquid fuel can be justified. For RCC, it is operational hemorrhoids and a danger to the environment and crew.
  10. Kramb
    Kramb 10 August 2019 08: 37
    -14
    Quote: K-612-O
    You would look at what level of infection there was, for starters.
    And radioisotope batteries, this is generally a very safe thing, can cause local pollution during destruction for a maximum of a day in a radius of not more than 100 meters

    In Severodvinsk, the local military strongly recommended the people to close windows and doors and drink iodine ... "of course, there is nothing dangerous for the population" ... I thought the times of Chernobyl and Fukushima are long gone and the leaders of the countries made the appropriate conclusions ... yeah, but things are still there ...
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 10 August 2019 08: 45
      +8
      Quote: Kramb
      and drink iodine

      Could not say that. fool This is a fake really down level.
      Quote: Kramb
      close windows and doors

      It could - heptyl is a very poisonous thing.
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 10 August 2019 08: 46
      +11
      Where did you get this? The military said damn whom, to you personally? Or handed over the daughter of the Crimean officer? In Severodvinsk, for example, one of the largest repositories of Navy spent nuclear fuel, and again, no one died out and did not drink iodine en masse for 50 years.
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 10 August 2019 09: 30
        +9
        Through the Internet, some deliberately disseminate inaccurate data. They create outright nonsense.
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 10 August 2019 09: 28
      +6
      Quote: Kramb
      In Severodvinsk, the local military strictly recommended that people close windows and doors and drink iodine ...

      Well, where does this "news" come from?
      Not from the "censor"?
    4. Ramzaj99
      Ramzaj99 10 August 2019 10: 52
      +5
      Quote: Kramb
      In Severodvinsk, the local military strictly recommended that people close windows and doors and drink iodine

      You from Kharkov certainly know better that there in Severodvinsk)))))))))))))))))
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    6. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 11: 20
      0
      Quote: Kramb
      In Severodvinsk, the local military strictly recommended to the people

      How long have you arrived?
  11. Berkut24
    Berkut24 10 August 2019 08: 41
    +8
    We need to wait for an official explanation. Kommersant is still bullshit.
  12. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 10 August 2019 08: 49
    +8
    Quote: Kramb
    Quote: K-612-O
    You would look at what level of infection there was, for starters.
    And radioisotope batteries, this is generally a very safe thing, can cause local pollution during destruction for a maximum of a day in a radius of not more than 100 meters

    In Severodvinsk, the local military strongly recommended the people to close windows and doors and drink iodine ... "of course, there is nothing dangerous for the population" ... I thought the times of Chernobyl and Fukushima are long gone and the leaders of the countries made the appropriate conclusions ... yeah, but things are still there ...

    Well, yes, from Ukraine it is more visible what is happening in Russia :))) Especially at Russian landfills in the north.
  13. wave
    wave 10 August 2019 08: 54
    -20
    The photo is impressive.
    An explosion at a loshariko-bearing factory.
    While the killer of aircraft carriers is not killing what was planned.
    The topic of the relationship of heptyl with radiation is not disclosed.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 10 August 2019 09: 03
      +11
      How are you? Where are they now?
      1. wave
        wave 10 August 2019 09: 53
        -9
        Yes, somehow spinning.
        We are waiting for a straight line of Putin on the cardiogram. :-)
  14. Kramb
    Kramb 10 August 2019 09: 02
    -17
    Quote: kot28.ru

    Well, yes, from Ukraine it is more visible what is happening in Russia :)))

    And what is the best head position in the sand? Perhaps the trouble will pass by?
    Little damn you problems, you understand that every second is important in such things? Oncology after radiation infection is kranty, it is endless surgery and chemotherapy ... God forbid this.
    Or as with the fires in your Siberia, let it burn itself out because it’s expensive to put out ... but as always, there are no guilty parties in Russia?
    1. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 10 August 2019 09: 20
      +4
      I’m talking about: you there in your Ukraine constantly know more about what is happening in Russia, only all your knowledge is at the level of fakes and stuffing, like the hysteria that your brothers have been pumping up after a fire in Kemerovo. in Siberia? ukropatriota :))) We lost ourselves in 2014, now you will be jumping for a long time.
    2. Korpus
      Korpus 10 August 2019 09: 20
      +5
      Quote: Kramb
      Quote: kot28.ru

      Well, yes, from Ukraine it is more visible what is happening in Russia :)))

      And what is the best head position in the sand? Perhaps the trouble will pass by?
      Little damn you problems, you understand that every second is important in such things? Oncology after radiation infection is kranty, it is endless surgery and chemotherapy ... God forbid this.
      Or as with the fires in your Siberia, let it burn itself out because it’s expensive to put out ... but as always, there are no guilty parties in Russia?

      Andrei spent 3 years in storage rooms and then opened up to VO ..)))) And how many more of you are here?
    3. wave
      wave 10 August 2019 09: 26
      -3
      You see, people just fear not to post it.
      After all, they plant them and are fined for it.
      Therefore, they are angry.
      1. kot28.ru
        kot28.ru 10 August 2019 09: 57
        +4
        Something I didn’t hear that a journalist from the echo of Moscow, a new one, was planted. Although, you read a lot, there is no censor, and there are no other apostrophes and it begins: in Russia, “along the roads, the dead with braids stand ...” (c)
    4. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 10 August 2019 12: 08
      +7
      Quote: Kramb
      And what is the best head position in the sand?

      No, better than you - in the ass!
    5. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 11: 23
      +1
      Oncology after radiation infection is krants, it is endless surgery and chemotherapy ...
      You have forgotten one more "treatment" procedure for cancer, Radiation therapy.
    6. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 11: 25
      0
      Quote: Kramb
      Oncology after radiation infection is kranty, it is endless surgery and chemotherapy ..

      You forgot to mention one more "medical" procedure for cancer, radiation therapy.
      Somehow it is used.
  15. gorenina91
    gorenina91 10 August 2019 09: 09
    -2
    "Immediately after the explosion, in the period from 11:50 to 12:20, a sharp increase in the radiation background was recorded in Severodvinsk, up to 2 microsieverts per hour."
    ---------------------------------------------
    -When, what time did the explosion happen ??? - And what is the specific cause of the explosion? -Some strange "information" ...
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 10 August 2019 09: 30
      +1
      Quote: gorenina91
      -And what is the specific cause of the explosion?

      Well, who will tell you about the reason when the investigation has not really started
  16. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 10 August 2019 09: 23
    +8
    What more iodine and vodka! How much can you reprint this nonsense! Someone came up with this, but popular rumor picked up. And then people drink iodine and get a chemical burn of the esophagus.
    Once and for all, remember to prevent the ingestion of radioactive iodine - 131, potassium iodide (used in iodized salt) is used, but even then there is an effect if it is taken either 12 hours before. Or an hour after. Yes, and it is needed in the number of micrograms, and not to whip from the pharmacy bubbles.
    And about vodka.
    When living tissues are irradiated with ionizing radiation, free radicals are formed in them, which destroy proteins and DNA in cells, which led either to the death of the cell, or, even worse, its malignant transformation. Red wine contains antioxidants that neutralize free radicals. For example, vitamin C and a bunch of other substances have the same effect. But the most important thing. Antioxidants should already be in the body during irradiation, after which it makes no sense. Because free radicals have already "done their dirty work".
  17. commander
    commander 10 August 2019 09: 40
    +3
    Indeed, the country is different, people are also different, but no better than the old ones. But the "cars" every summer of some devil revolt. Why is this: from May to September? And the peak is in July-August. And, mind you, remember the statistics - annually.
  18. Sergeantpro
    Sergeantpro 10 August 2019 09: 44
    +4
    Quote: syndicalist
    The background value of the radiation level in this area is 0.1 microsievert. The limit level at which an alarm is declared is 0.6 microsievert or 60 micro-roentgen. In Fukushima, the population was evacuated at such radiation levels. Here, a level of more than 3 times greater is recorded.

    This is where they told you about Fukushima?
  19. Sergeantpro
    Sergeantpro 10 August 2019 09: 48
    +6
    Great public. The investigation has just begun, and all those present have already identified the reasons and the object on which the explosion occurred. Why do we need the opinions of experts and investigation teams? Ah, foreign media also help us to know the light of truth. Well, like the one where Assad poisons the population of his country with sarin.
    Adults, it seems, are sitting and bleating like a herd of sheep. Himself is not funny?
    1. commander
      commander 10 August 2019 09: 57
      +1
      Because the weather is bad, rain, wind, everyone is sitting in front of the tablet.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 August 2019 10: 15
      +4
      It’s just that everything is obvious. The RTG, like the fuel cell, as well as the betavoltatic battery, even if it’s large, cannot physically cause such an explosion that can destroy the machine and the container for transporting the product itself - but the reactor installation, although small in critical condition, will be able to.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 10 August 2019 12: 31
        +6
        Quote: Vadim237
        but the reactor installation, although small in critical condition, will be able to.

        There are indirect signs:
        1. In the closed zone is the special vessel Serebryanka, designed to handle liquid radioactive waste and to transport spent nuclear fuel.
        2. Excessively zealous EMERCOM of Russia managed to croak about an increase in background radiation. (Now they are scared of the prosecution for untimely bringing the situation in an emergency! So they act "strictly according to the instructions")
        3. The water area of ​​the White Sea adjacent to the landfill is closed for navigation.
        4. The specialists of "Rosatom" were killed, not the Moscow tetlotechnics ...
        5. An attempt to shift the background into on-board isotopic batteries ... looks awkward.
        Therefore, most likely, a catastrophe occurred while trying to launch a product from a launcher previously delivered from the Novaya Zemlya landfill. Yes, the remote control could be hybrid, I admit that even on the basis of heptyl as fuel for ACCELERATION STAGE or the entire marching engine. But there was no doubt that there was a child prodigy from Rosatom. And these were clearly not isotopic elements.
        IMHO.
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 10 August 2019 17: 01
          +2
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: Vadim237
          but the reactor installation, although small in critical condition, will be able to.

          There are indirect signs:
          1. In the closed zone is the special vessel Serebryanka, designed to handle liquid radioactive waste and to transport spent nuclear fuel.
          2. Excessively zealous EMERCOM of Russia managed to croak about an increase in background radiation. (Now they are scared of the prosecution for untimely bringing the situation in an emergency! So they act "strictly according to the instructions")
          3. The water area of ​​the White Sea adjacent to the landfill is closed for navigation.
          4. The specialists of "Rosatom" were killed, not the Moscow tetlotechnics ...
          5. An attempt to shift the background into on-board isotopic batteries ... looks awkward.
          Therefore, most likely, a catastrophe occurred while trying to launch a product from a launcher previously delivered from the Novaya Zemlya landfill. Yes, the remote control could be hybrid, I admit that even on the basis of heptyl as fuel for ACCELERATION STAGE or the entire marching engine. But there was no doubt that there was a child prodigy from Rosatom. And these were clearly not isotopic elements.
          IMHO.

          And someone in the know why do radioisotope sources in a rocket? She is not a satellite or a lighthouse. Start is made with PU, the external power source, further from the engine directly to the rocket itself. Would it be straight-through or solid fuel entirely could still be understood .... And how will the backup source and lithium cells come down
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 10 August 2019 18: 16
            -1
            Quote: Vol4ara
            And as a backup source and lithium cells come down

            It is logical! You "+" for quick wits ... bully
          2. K-612-O
            K-612-O 11 August 2019 13: 21
            0
            And how interesting is the power of the circuits from a jet engine? Do not smack nonsense, please.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 11 August 2019 16: 52
              0
              Quote: K-612-O
              And how interesting is the power of the circuits from a jet engine?

              Andrey, if you take an interest, you will find:
              By diverting part of the gas to a turbogenerator ... And in RD-180, so there, in general, part of the dvigl power is taken to the generator ... and the second chamber sits on it. yes
        2. K-612-O
          K-612-O 11 August 2019 13: 19
          0
          Did Kamensky personally tell you this? Do not push, everything is completely as it was officially said, and the batteries really were, only new ones at all.
      2. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 11 August 2019 11: 29
        -2
        Quote: Vadim237
        but the reactor installation, although small in critical condition, will be able to.

        Well, it’s unlikely that a rocket will start from it. And for various reasons, it is unlikely.
    3. EGERb
      EGERb 10 August 2019 10: 38
      -1
      And you that the experts will give a true conclusion ???))))
  20. Sergeantpro
    Sergeantpro 10 August 2019 09: 57
    +2
    Quote: Servisinzhener
    What more iodine and vodka! How much can you reprint this nonsense! Someone came up with this, but popular rumor picked up. And then people drink iodine and get a chemical burn of the esophagus.
    Once and for all, remember to prevent the ingestion of radioactive iodine - 131, potassium iodide (used in iodized salt) is used, but even then there is an effect if it is taken either 12 hours before. Or an hour after. Yes, and it is needed in the number of micrograms, and not to whip from the pharmacy bubbles.
    And about vodka.
    When living tissues are irradiated with ionizing radiation, free radicals are formed in them, which destroy proteins and DNA in cells, which led either to the death of the cell, or, even worse, its malignant transformation. Red wine contains antioxidants that neutralize free radicals. For example, vitamin C and a bunch of other substances have the same effect. But the most important thing. Antioxidants should already be in the body during irradiation, after which it makes no sense. Because free radicals have already "done their dirty work".

    Such life hacks should be sold for money and only to adequate people. Although trying to explain that vodka exacerbates the effects of ionizing radiation, and you need to contact specialists instead of lacquering useless iodine ... Well, it's such an occupation.
  21. Sergeantpro
    Sergeantpro 10 August 2019 09: 59
    +5
    Quote: commander
    Because the weather is bad, rain, wind, everyone is sitting in front of the tablet.

    Damn, it would be better if they turned off the light, you see, and demography would have straightened.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 10 August 2019 10: 45
      +1
      Now irrelevant, a lot of contraceptives.)
  22. sibiryak.vitya
    sibiryak.vitya 10 August 2019 10: 05
    +3
    Quote: vasilii
    Rosatom reported an incident when working with isotopic sources
    The state corporation said that the incident occurred at a military training ground during the engineering and technical support of isotopic power sources in a liquid propulsion system. Five people died, three were injured.


    https://www.rbc.ru/society/10/08/2019/5d4de2469a7947421bd0afbd

    And now let's remember how we were confidently told that this was all a lie, a fake, and there was no radiation in Severodvinsk and could not be.

    Now think (if there is anything) that raising the radiation to a safe level was still in the test area. A message about a safe level was about the area of ​​Severodvinsk, located at a decent distance.
    Would you like to have a chat, or show your non-competency?
    Congratulations, I managed both.
  23. Candidate of Military Sciences
    Candidate of Military Sciences 10 August 2019 10: 16
    +1
    About such things now we need to tell the truth, and not keep silent. You should not be afraid of panic, the dead people were doing a worthy cause. And it was not connected with commerce in any way! .. It is very unpleasant to learn about people who gave their lives for their Motherland from the newspaper "Kommersant" and similar sources ... Speculation and gossip that are generated by third-party media in pursuit of ratings and fame , much more harmful than the truth about the causes of death of people who were burned alive.
  24. Rus_Balt
    Rus_Balt 10 August 2019 10: 24
    -5
    The professional level is falling rapidly, proved by RosKosmos and RosAtom. Taiga is on fire - they do not extinguish, it is not economically viable. The extinguishing technique is demonstrated only at parades, but how to do it is under repair (BU-200).
    I'm interested in something else. Are they doing tests with nuclear components? Why are there RosAtom employees on missile tests? Heptyl is not a radioactive material, so where does the burst of radiation come from in an explosion? And when it all sank in the water - the radioactivity decreased, BUT - it hasn't gone anywhere, all this shit, together with heptyl, now floats in the water!
    At this rate, soon "pops" will begin at nuclear power plants and ship repair enterprises serving nuclear submarines.
    But, do not worry - everyone will be delivered to medical institutions and they will be helped, treated, as after Chernobyl.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 August 2019 11: 05
      +5
      Fires are not only extinguished by the Be 200, the professional level of Rosatom employees does not raise questions, and no claps will start at nuclear power plants and nuclear submarines - the accident occurred at a test site.
    2. Candidate of Military Sciences
      Candidate of Military Sciences 11 August 2019 06: 11
      0
      Your "political review" contradicts the facts - ... are you another cheap alarmist? You sculpt nonsense without any imagination - your nuclear power plant and ship repair enterprises are on the same level.
      I think you should contact your doctor for new pills or your curator for a new training manual.
    3. K-612-O
      K-612-O 11 August 2019 13: 24
      +1
      Do not touch the professional level of Rosatom employees! They’re not picking up ads there.
  25. Kramb
    Kramb 10 August 2019 10: 27
    -5
    Quote: kot28.ru
    I’m talking about: you there in your Ukraine constantly know more about what is happening in Russia, only all your knowledge is at the level of fakes and stuffing, like the hysteria that your brothers have been pumping up after a fire in Kemerovo. in Siberia? ukropatriota :))) We lost ourselves in 2014, now you will be jumping for a long time.

    We know because we watch the media and not only ours. All the media in the world have written about this horror, even China. And your media is shamefully silent, although we are talking about human lives. For the sake of justice, our media are also silent about incidents in Ukraine, and we learn news from foreign media, including Russian ones.
    As for the fires in Siberia, it has already been recognized as a global environmental catastrophe that will affect everyone on our mainland.
    At one time we believed the authorities of the USSR, as you now do with yours, and it ended with the irradiation of a lot of people here, in Belarus and here. Now I see the same "rake" in Russia as in the days of the USSR.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 August 2019 11: 08
      +2
      In the USSR, they were generally silent about the accidents, take the same Lighthouse, the explosion of a nuclear submarine reactor in Chizhma Bay in 1985, two unsuccessful underground nuclear explosions with emissions of Globus 1 and Croton 5 and much more, until recently no one knew about it.
      1. svp67
        svp67 10 August 2019 11: 12
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        The USSR generally kept silent about the accidents,

        You might think that in other countries at that time everything was different ...
    2. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 10 August 2019 11: 25
      +1
      Your media pay more attention to the United States. About Russia they write more often tales that you believe in. Did you want to get the info in the first hours? They gave it to you, a businessman, some more. With a bunch of guesses and other things. Nobody knows about the reliability of information nowadays He doesn’t care. The main thing is to crow first, get money. Next, he will be forgotten. Russian media speak more than enough about events in Russia. About Ukraine they speak only on channel 1 and 2, and even that is an order of magnitude less than 5 years ago. Russia is more worried than its own country. I suppose you are just a trolley, well, of those whom Sharia called gunboats.
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 10 August 2019 12: 04
      +2
      Quote: Kramb
      We know because we watch the media and not only ours.

      Is this the one that gave the riots in Greece to Russia?
    4. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 10 August 2019 17: 59
      0
      Quote: Kramb
      Quote: kot28.ru
      I’m talking about: you there in your Ukraine constantly know more about what is happening in Russia, only all your knowledge is at the level of fakes and stuffing, like the hysteria that your brothers have been pumping up after a fire in Kemerovo. in Siberia? ukropatriota :))) We lost ourselves in 2014, now you will be jumping for a long time.

      We know because we watch the media and not only ours. All the media in the world have written about this horror, even China. And your media is shamefully silent, although we are talking about human lives. For the sake of justice, our media are also silent about incidents in Ukraine, and we learn news from foreign media, including Russian ones.
      As for the fires in Siberia, it has already been recognized as a global environmental catastrophe that will affect everyone on our mainland.
      At one time we believed the authorities of the USSR, as you now do with yours, and it ended with the irradiation of a lot of people here, in Belarus and here. Now I see the same "rake" in Russia as in the days of the USSR.

      Do your media write about emergency stops of nuclear power plants in Ukraine due to Westinghouse fuel? Or do they all have the rite?
  26. EGERb
    EGERb 10 August 2019 10: 35
    -1
    Well, if Rosatom deals with comments, and gives answers about the emergency, then an emergency happened from the petrels. It has a nuclear engine. Isotopic power sources are written in black and white .....
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 10 August 2019 10: 50
      +2
      Quote: EGERb
      It has a nuclear engine. Isotopic power sources are written in black and white ...

      The power source is not a motor. The battery is a power source. The engine is not a battery.

      Uff ... tired of explaining laughing
      1. EGERb
        EGERb 10 August 2019 10: 54
        +1
        Yes, I understood everything perfectly))) and I read the article more than once already)))) isotope power sources are not installed on zircon, this is just in case for general development))))
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 10 August 2019 18: 10
          -2
          Quote: EGERb
          Yes, I understood everything perfectly))) and I read the article more than once already)))) isotope power sources are not installed on zircon, this is just in case for general development))))

          Designer zircon? Where did the firewood come from?
  27. EGERb
    EGERb 10 August 2019 11: 04
    -2
    Here is https://warfiles.ru/204451-rosatom-kosvenno-priznal-vzryv-rakety-burevestnik-s-yadernym-dvigatelem.html
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 August 2019 11: 40
      -1
      The version is such that the YAPVRD control or cooling system "grunted" for the reactor assembly without cooling, literally a few minutes it takes to heat up and explode.
    2. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 10 August 2019 18: 14
      -1
      Quote: EGERb
      Here is https://warfiles.ru/204451-rosatom-kosvenno-priznal-vzryv-rakety-burevestnik-s-yadernym-dvigatelem.html

      We turn on the logic of the kindergarten level: 5 people cannot die from a blast of riteg, BUT! Eureka! From a fuel explosion, rockets can
  28. EGERb
    EGERb 10 August 2019 11: 07
    0
    https://vk.com/wall-28121566_623201
  29. sibiryak.vitya
    sibiryak.vitya 10 August 2019 12: 00
    0
    Quote: Rus_Balt
    The professional level is falling rapidly, proved by RosKosmos and RosAtom. Taiga is on fire - they do not extinguish, it is not economically viable. The extinguishing technique is demonstrated only at parades, but how to do it is under repair (BU-200).
    I'm interested in something else. Are they doing tests with nuclear components? Why are there RosAtom employees on missile tests? Heptyl is not a radioactive material, so where does the burst of radiation come from in an explosion? And when it all sank in the water - the radioactivity decreased, BUT - it hasn't gone anywhere, all this shit, together with heptyl, now floats in the water!
    At this rate, soon "pops" will begin at nuclear power plants and ship repair enterprises serving nuclear submarines.
    But, do not worry - everyone will be delivered to medical institutions and they will be helped, treated, as after Chernobyl.

    Especially talented, I repeat that the installation uses an isotopic energy source. Tell me why this is necessary at all? To ensure an unattended start over a long period of time. . Hence the Rosatomites at the start of some kind of rocket.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 10 August 2019 18: 24
      0
      Quote: sibiryak.vitya
      Quote: Rus_Balt
      The professional level is falling rapidly, proved by RosKosmos and RosAtom. Taiga is on fire - they do not extinguish, it is not economically viable. The extinguishing technique is demonstrated only at parades, but how to do it is under repair (BU-200).
      I'm interested in something else. Are they doing tests with nuclear components? Why are there RosAtom employees on missile tests? Heptyl is not a radioactive material, so where does the burst of radiation come from in an explosion? And when it all sank in the water - the radioactivity decreased, BUT - it hasn't gone anywhere, all this shit, together with heptyl, now floats in the water!
      At this rate, soon "pops" will begin at nuclear power plants and ship repair enterprises serving nuclear submarines.
      But, do not worry - everyone will be delivered to medical institutions and they will be helped, treated, as after Chernobyl.

      Especially talented, I repeat that the installation uses an isotopic energy source. Tell me why this is necessary at all? To ensure an unattended start over a long period of time. . Hence the Rosatomites at the start of some kind of rocket.

      Can't the rocket get power from the launcher? And what size should they be in order to raise the background of 200 km to 30 micrograms.
      1. adept666
        adept666 12 August 2019 11: 29
        0
        Can't the rocket get power from the launcher? And what size should they be in order to raise the background of 200 km to 30 micrograms.

        And who told you that the isotopic energy source was on the product itself, and not on the shipping container / launch pad, etc.?
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 12 August 2019 11: 40
          0
          Quote: adept666
          Can't the rocket get power from the launcher? And what size should they be in order to raise the background of 200 km to 30 micrograms.

          And who told you that the isotopic energy source was on the product itself, and not on the shipping container / launch pad, etc.?

          And who told you no? Do you turn on the diesel generator at home or power household appliances from the outlet? .... Here I am about the same thing, why the heck is it needed when it is a landfill, not an uninhabited island, and even on an uninhabited island a diesel generator is easier than a rite if you do not intend build a lighthouse there
  30. Old26
    Old26 10 August 2019 12: 01
    +4
    Also, immediately after the explosion, the Dvina Bay of the White Sea was closed for a month for free shipping. It is assumed that these measures were associated with the destruction of the rocket, during which tons of extremely toxic substances could appear in the water.

    Well, actually there was information that not the whole Gulf of Dvina was closed, but the site adjacent to the landfill

    Kommersant, citing one of the military sailors, claims that the fuel was asymmetric dimethylhydrazine (heptyl), which combined with the oxidizing agent: this caused the explosion. It takes about a week to dissolve in water to a safe concentration of heptyl.


    Heptyl? And what was tested there, what kind of sea rocket, so that there was this pair of rocket fuel components.?

    There are currently three options voiced
    1. Explosion of "Zircon" on a mobile launcher. Although then it is not clear, albeit short-term, but the release of radiation. Let experts who know more about isotope sources say whether such an increase is possible with the destruction of such a source or not.

    2. The explosion of "Zircon" on the nuclear submarine. Very unlikely. Such tests would be carried out at a training ground, and not near the coast.

    3. Explosion of "Petrel" on the ground launcher. Moreover, the Americans have already published satellite images on which a launcher is located on the shore, identified by them as the launcher of the SSC-X-9 missile, that is, the "Petrel"
    We will wait, and not make hasty conclusions
    1. Rus_Balt
      Rus_Balt 10 August 2019 12: 31
      +1
      That's right! We will wait for more accurate images from American satellites and an analysis of the situation from foreign resources. In their native country - they still will not say anything, well, at least some kind of parade was not started under radiation, as in Ukraine during the Chernobyl explosion - then there was no reason for concern and everything was wonderful in the Country of Soviets))).
      Time goes by and only wretchedness does not change - first in the USSR, and then in the Russian Federation.
  31. sibiryak.vitya
    sibiryak.vitya 10 August 2019 12: 09
    +2
    Quote: Kramb
    Quote: kot28.ru
    I’m talking about: you there in your Ukraine constantly know more about what is happening in Russia, only all your knowledge is at the level of fakes and stuffing, like the hysteria that your brothers have been pumping up after a fire in Kemerovo. in Siberia? ukropatriota :))) We lost ourselves in 2014, now you will be jumping for a long time.

    We know because we watch the media and not only ours. All the media in the world have written about this horror, even China. And your media is shamefully silent, although we are talking about human lives. For the sake of justice, our media are also silent about incidents in Ukraine, and we learn news from foreign media, including Russian ones.
    As for the fires in Siberia, it has already been recognized as a global environmental catastrophe that will affect everyone on our mainland.
    At one time we believed the authorities of the USSR, as you now do with yours, and it ended with the irradiation of a lot of people here, in Belarus and here. Now I see the same "rake" in Russia as in the days of the USSR.

    A convenient position was taken by this hoopoe. With the letter R. Accident at Chernobyl. Culprits in the USSR. The war in Ukraine. Culprits in Russia. Natural fires in Russia. Russia is to blame. Fires in California. Nature is to blame. Not for nothing you are considered crazy. Almost without exception.
    1. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 10 August 2019 12: 19
      -1
      and such people are to blame for everything. In particular, when they are representatives of Ukraine, they certainly have to blame for everything Russian, Russia, personally the ruler of Russia (whoever it is). And they themselves only demand, they think that everyone should of something.
  32. Angrybeard
    Angrybeard 10 August 2019 12: 15
    0
    The Pinlos write a petrel, the Ministry of Defense something about an isotopic battery. Go figure it out. In Iran, too, a lot of things were exploding under the nuclear program. Then it turned out saboteurs.
  33. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 10 August 2019 12: 45
    -1
    Immediately after the explosion, from 11:50 to 12:20, a sharp increase in the radiation background was recorded in Severodvinsk, up to 2 microsievert per hour ...
    ... Presumably, the explosion occurred during tests of a mobile launcher for the Zircon hypersonic missile.

    With what fright can the radiation background grow during testing? Is there a nuclear rocket engine or we don’t know something?
    Or, most likely, the nonsense of our journalism. We have them ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 August 2019 15: 38
      0
      "There that, a nuclear rocket engine was tested" - With a 90% probability it can be argued that this is so.
  34. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 10 August 2019 13: 03
    +2
    Quote: PhD in Military Science
    It is very unpleasant to learn about people who gave their lives for their homeland from the Kommersant newspaper and similar sources.

    You are absolutely right. It would be much more impressive if an official statement of the type appeared: "Date, At the test site near Severodvinsk, during testing of military equipment, an explosion of rocket fuel components occurred. 5 people died, 3 specialists were injured of varying severity. The consequences of the incident were eliminated. Environmental situation in the area of ​​the test site. and the radiation background is normal. The competent authorities are investigating the fact of the explosion and the reasons that caused it. The Government of the Russian Federation expresses condolences to the families and friends of the victims, and will take all measures to ensure the speedy recovery of the injured employees of Rosatom. "
    So it would be more honest and less misunderstanding would be. Again, there would be no need to invent what and how to respond to requests from foreign embassies.
  35. sibiryak.vitya
    sibiryak.vitya 10 August 2019 13: 47
    +1
    Quote: Angrybeard
    The Pinlos write a petrel, the Ministry of Defense something about an isotopic battery. Go figure it out. In Iran, too, a lot of things were exploding under the nuclear program. Then it turned out saboteurs.

    And why can not both be true? Battery in the launch complex, to ensure long-term readiness for launch, and even in unattended mode? And what flies is so log and fly, but with some other task and trajectory.
  36. Muxalet
    Muxalet 10 August 2019 13: 50
    +4
    Millisievert is measured by how much a person grabbed the radiation. The fluorography procedure lasts 1 \ 60sec = 3.3 millisievert, and the background was, damn it, at least 30 minutes .... Imagine the situation that you are irradiated with fluorography for 30 minutes. into place 1 \ 60seconds. Here there is defamation with the substitution of concepts. 3,3 is approximately 660 microroentgen at the norm of 17, the permissible dose of 0,6 millisievert is a further threat to life, you need to be evacuated. The Ministry of Emergency Situations probably didn’t let it go too close ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 August 2019 15: 45
      0
      What interests me most is the level of radiation at the site itself and where the fallout went.
  37. sibiryak.vitya
    sibiryak.vitya 10 August 2019 13: 51
    0
    Quote: Nikolka
    Omnipresent Americans ... Why did they hide the pictures of the "Russian" Buk that MH17 shot down?

    So, that’s why they haven’t died yet, because they lie at every turn.
    1. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 10 August 2019 14: 21
      +1
      They simply do not have pictures of the Russian "Buk". And they do not want to publish what they have, because they have a stigma not only in a cannon, but in shit.
  38. E.S.
    E.S. 10 August 2019 14: 23
    0
    Quote: Kramb
    Fuck, people drink iodine en masse ... and in the news "there is no threat to the population."

    If you list everything that people drink,
    it’s easy to come to the conclusion that the end of the world happened with the invasion of reptilians, the Earth getting into the Black Hole and a crash on facebook
  39. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 10 August 2019 14: 50
    0
    It’s a pity, of course, people, but this is a new technique and you need to learn how to work with it, not everything can be foreseen when you experience a new one.
  40. Operator
    Operator 10 August 2019 14: 58
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    betavoltatic battery

    It is quite possible that the explosion of the liquid fuel of the Zircon launch booster destroyed the beta-voltaic battery used as an onboard power supply for the cruise missile.

    The semiconductor beta-voltaic battery runs on fast electrons from the radioactive decay of the nickel-63 isotope and has 30 times the capacity of lithium-ion.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 August 2019 15: 49
      +1
      Such a source of energy will not give you - such a sharp increase in radiation on an area of ​​more than 200 square kilometers
      1. Operator
        Operator 10 August 2019 17: 28
        0
        Well, then I don’t know - the Burevestnik cruise missile with a ground-based YSU, in theory, should not be tested at the naval training ground.

        In any case, during depressurization of the reactor cooling circuit in the ramjet heating chamber, only the coolant - lead will leak, and it will not be transported through the air.

        Although the Americans slander that allegedly traces of a radioactive element of technetium were allegedly recorded in the air - maybe lead under the influence of neutron radiation from the reactor transmutes into this element?
  41. Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev 10 August 2019 14: 58
    -4
    And in the cartoon, she flew .... and then some kind of test. How so? After that, can I believe it?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 August 2019 15: 43
      +1
      In the cartoon, you could be shown a test model to test the aerodynamic qualities - and not already created and tested missile.
  42. fa2998
    fa2998 10 August 2019 15: 16
    0
    Quote: MooH
    And a new technique can explode without negligence and lack of professionalism. They are testing it in order to identify structural and manufacturing defects. Before announcing the guilty, it would be nice to at least a little figure out what exploded and why.

    Yes, it explodes! But Russia has such open spaces that many thousand square kilometers have a population density of LESS THAN 1 PEOPLE. KM.KV. Look at the special map. There are vast polygons and there is no need to conduct tests with radioactive components near cities. hi
  43. Gadsky pope
    Gadsky pope 10 August 2019 15: 39
    -1
    Photo from Achinsk .... Something the European Agency about the jump in radiation is silent .... https://remap.jrc.ec.europa.eu/GammaDoseRates.aspx Online map of monitoring the radiation situation ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 August 2019 16: 22
      -1
      Probably because the wind is blowing in a southeast direction.
  44. Reader 2013
    Reader 2013 10 August 2019 19: 02
    -2
    what nits on the population do not care at all
  45. sibiryak.vitya
    sibiryak.vitya 10 August 2019 23: 08
    0
    Quote: Vol4ara
    Quote: sibiryak.vitya
    Quote: Rus_Balt
    The professional level is falling rapidly, proved by RosKosmos and RosAtom. Taiga is on fire - they do not extinguish, it is not economically viable. The extinguishing technique is demonstrated only at parades, but how to do it is under repair (BU-200).
    I'm interested in something else. Are they doing tests with nuclear components? Why are there RosAtom employees on missile tests? Heptyl is not a radioactive material, so where does the burst of radiation come from in an explosion? And when it all sank in the water - the radioactivity decreased, BUT - it hasn't gone anywhere, all this shit, together with heptyl, now floats in the water!
    At this rate, soon "pops" will begin at nuclear power plants and ship repair enterprises serving nuclear submarines.
    But, do not worry - everyone will be delivered to medical institutions and they will be helped, treated, as after Chernobyl.

    Especially talented, I repeat that the installation uses an isotopic energy source. Tell me why this is necessary at all? To ensure an unattended start over a long period of time. . Hence the Rosatomites at the start of some kind of rocket.

    Can't the rocket get power from the launcher? And what size should they be in order to raise the background of 200 km to 30 micrograms.

    And in flight, will she eat firewood? Electric things are different .... And such a source can produce standby current for many years. And the racket all this time is able to quickly start.
    An abnormal fuel leak burned the launch pad, at least what could burn out, threw the testers into the sea (they say so). Offshore launch platform. It seems they are preparing to install on ships. Clear business, experienced, still crude, no one will drag on the deck.
    Sorry for the people. So, the tests will roll back, and they will try a lot at first. Bringing to mind.

    The source will give what is needed if it has an active substance not less than the intended one. Reactions with these diabolical materials proceed according to their arithmetic; there two plus two is not equal to 4.
  46. Kramb
    Kramb 11 August 2019 11: 36
    0
    Quote: DED_peer_DED
    Quote: Kramb
    Oncology after radiation infection is kranty, it is endless surgery and chemotherapy ..

    You forgot to mention one more "medical" procedure for cancer, radiation therapy.
    Somehow it is used.

    Depending on oncology.
  47. Bryanskiy_Volk
    Bryanskiy_Volk 11 August 2019 13: 48
    0
    Slid to repost from the info-wash tape.ru negative
    1. Pereturbatsiya1
      Pereturbatsiya1 12 August 2019 02: 17
      0
      But what if the media from the selected pool is either silent or lying?
  48. AKS-U
    AKS-U 11 August 2019 21: 13
    0
    - "Lenta.ru with reference to its own sources."
    - "The incident supposedly happened ..."
    - "Kommersant", with reference to one of the sailors ... "
    _ "Presumably the explosion occurred during testing ..."
    Some "high-likes". The truth is hidden.
  49. Pereturbatsiya1
    Pereturbatsiya1 12 August 2019 02: 15
    0
    All this is an indicator of the place of the Russian Federation according to such criteria,

    as the level of science, technology and industry.

    For lack of sufficient funds to build a powerful over and underwater fleet,

    are forced to cook on their knees some kind of "asymmetric answers".

    In the absence of sufficient resources and equipment for laying over the US bases, or

    at least the formation of a constantly rotating group of ships / submarines

    in neutral waters off the coast of the United States, you have to sculpt some crafts based

    on "new physical principles".

    But no arguing against reality -

    A powerful country (and especially an empire) must have:

    1. A powerful economy.
    2. High scientific and technical potential (in the complex, and not shreds, as in the Russian Federation).
    3. A powerful production base (to provide the military-industrial complex with everything you need), with products of the appropriate level (so that you do not have to scrape what you need on all the Chinese "bottom").
    4. A patriotic leadership, from the president to the last petty bureaucrat.
    Without houses in Miami, accounts in Switzerland, and UK citizenship.

    And so on, similar tragedies will occur. There is Losharik, here is Petrel.
    And people should give their lives for someone’s imperial attempts against the backdrop of absolute pygmy.
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    2. Pereturbatsiya1
      Pereturbatsiya1 12 August 2019 13: 05
      0
      Well, minus a comment. What's next?

      This allowed to raise the Russian Federation to a level higher than the specified?

      The Russian Federation has the means and opportunities to lay around the US bases, to create a real
      "mirror response"? Or the opportunity to create a truly powerful over- and submarine fleet?

      Has the number of compradors simply "working in Russia", but not living in its interests and future, decreased?

      I am amazed at this childishness of some of the local commentators. Minusanul, and everything, life was a success.
  50. Pereturbatsiya1
    Pereturbatsiya1 12 August 2019 02: 21
    0
    Quote: Old26
    We will wait, and not make hasty conclusions


    Do you think you / they will be told the truth?
    Rather, they will once again make up a euphemic excuse.