In Russia, offered a list of domestic software to replace foreign

In Russia, a list of Russian software has been proposed that can replace foreign software on computers with Windows and MacOS operating systems. Writes about it TASS with reference to the Internet Development Institute.

The non-profit organization Internet Development Institute has proposed a list of Russian programs and applications that can replace foreign counterparts in the eight categories most demanded by Internet users.

The Institute singled out browsers and search engines, cloud storage, email clients, maps, document editors, instant messengers, digital TV and music services. The organization’s experts determined that Russian manufacturers are adequately represented in 6 from 8 categories.

It is noted that these recommendations apply to personal computers. In the list of browsers and search engines, IRI identified Yandex.Browser, Sputnik, and Rambler, which, according to experts, rival Safari and Microsoft Edge. Yandex.Disk and Cloud Mail.ru compete with iCloud and One Drive, and Yandex.Maps application with MacOS and Windows Maps.

A successful alternative to Pages and Microsoft Office is called the My Office application of Russian manufacturers, in the digital TV segment Ivi.ru and Amediateka applications. At the same time, both instant messengers and email browsers do not have noticeable advantages over Western counterparts.

The Internet Development Institute believes that promoting Russian services at the state level is a way to provide new opportunities for local software developers. Therefore, experts of the organization believe that these programs should be reinstalled on technology. The Director General of Iran, Sergey Petrov, is trying to convince the press of this.

Officials do not support the initiative to force the pre-installation of Russian software

At the same time, Tatyana Radchenko, deputy head of the Analytical Center under the Government of the Russian Federation, previously stated that such an initiative does not find support among market participants. In her opinion, this mode of distribution hinders the development of competitiveness.

The Ministry of Communications of the Russian Federation also does not yet see the possibility of implementing such a program. Representatives of the ministry note that there are many more questions than answers. The agency will look for an alternative opportunity to support Russian software manufacturers. In the meantime, the ministry is developing such proposals.

Comments

[ancestors from Don]

I do not cease to admire our Chinese comrades, the Americans did not have time to roll Android on their huavei, so they already scammed their software and wiped the nose of the extortionists.

[AU Ivanov.]

Well, yes, on the basis of Linux, it's your own, Chinese.

[Ural-4320]

In fact, Linux is not entirely American, because the world community writes it, including Russian programmers. Another thing is that there are more foreign co-authors there. However, open source code gives you the opportunity to write your own vision of a module / program / library with a given functionality. And in the course of the play, nothing prevents and change the logic of work.
Make a fork (branch) from some version of the system and rewrite it in your own way. It turns out your system.
Look at Zorin OS's own desktop with buns and gingerbread cookies, which the author decided to see. And how much more of his code is there only the author knows.

[ivan19]

In fact, the Open Source Community does not really do anything: all significant kernel improvements are made by commerce (RedHat, SUSE, etc.). In fact, the rights to the Linux kernel (without which nothing would work) belong to Torvalds, who has been bitten by liberalism for a long time. Well, etc.
Arguments about "domestic software" such as AltLinux or AstraLinux are frankly ridiculous. We hung cloth-thin ruffles on an imported skirt - and here you are, a "domestic product": D
Separate affection is caused by "domestic" products of the nightmare name and "myofez" (clumsy, completely indigestible something) - a little more than completely dependent on M $ (at least - at the level of frameworks, the build environment and library sets), or "Yandex Browser "/" sputniks ", which are dumb add-ons to the Chrome core ...
We do not have anything domestic in our IT - and there will not be, at least, until a domestic OS is developed, which does not depend in any way on Linux or M $. And about "opensyrts community" - this is for little girls. Not funny in any way and never. No one will do anything sensible for free - and normal code tests also cost money (sometimes more than the code itself).
Zadolbal already idiotic IRI with its "innovations" and "news" ... "stupid people, XXXXX ..." (c) Why is it impossible to "master" the budget on the quiet, why all this public insanity?

[Piramidon]

Quote: ivan19

"myofez"

Che that "lexicon" was recalled.

[poquello]

Quote: ivan19

In fact, the Open Source Community does not really do anything: all significant kernel improvements are made by commerce (RedHat, SUSE, etc.). In fact, the rights to the Linux kernel (without which nothing would work) belong to Torvalds, who has been bitten by liberalism for a long time. Well, etc.

and what is it for? Torvalds will ban the core?

Quote: ivan19

Arguments about "domestic software" such as AltLinux or AstraLinux are frankly ridiculous. We hung cloth-thin ruffles on an imported skirt - and here you are, a "domestic product": D

they have the right and the right thing to do, just instead of these meetings it would be worth supporting somehow, then they’ll do more

[ivan19]

Torvalds can easily arrange a tantrum, which easily leads to the next sanctions. Denmark, SP2 - doesn't it remind you of anything? :) Well, the ban from the side of Torvalds easily turn an aster / eagle / al into a pumpkin. Alt, in fact, is a pumpkin, the aster did not see.
"They have the right", of course, according to the Civil Code of the Russian Federation - there is generally a very amusing interpretation of copyright. Which does not do (technologically, in the first place) all these products "domestic products". To support them already and so support, they eat public money with pleasure and in three throats ("School Linux", "distribution for the military", etc. - all this is for money). The sadness is that the mountain, once again, gives birth and gives birth to mice.
Money should not be invested in these garbage dumps, but in a normal education. With the Unified State Exam, they only give us a similar "domestic product".

[ak747]

I support education, but there is a problem. The problem is that under the current situation, the results of "normal education" (first of all, the most promising cadres) will very quickly migrate overseas. The point is not only that there is more liberda in the IT sphere than among turners and tractor drivers, but also because no one will pay 8-10 thousand or more dollars a month in Russia - there is nothing, even if Abramovich is dispossessed.
And we will only have to spend on this education. The Americans may be "stupid", but they set up an efficient pump for pumping the brains.

[Alex Justice]

And we will only have to spend on this education. The Americans may be "stupid", but they set up an efficient pump for pumping the brains.

And what prevents Russia from pumping brains to Russia? On Peter 1 and Catherine, all European talents worked.

[Alf]

Quote: Alex Justice

And what prevents Russia from pumping brains to Russia? On Peter 1 and Catherine, all European talents worked.

Lack of political will, well, as usual - "no money"

[Mestny]

Separate affection is caused by "domestic" products of the nightmare name and "myofez" (clumsy, completely indigestible something) - a little more than completely dependent on M $ (at least - at the level of frameworks, the build environment and library sets), or "Yandex Browser "/" sputniks ", which are dumb add-ons to the Chrome core ...

How old are you?
Yours are going tomorrow, not here.

[ivan19]

Surely more than you think. Where "mine" gathers - you probably don't know. I guess what you mean by "mine" - and frankly amazed at your knowledge. You read about "domestic product" in the news, I felt this shit with my hands. Therefore, just take my word for it - I would be ashamed to hang "made in Russia" on this, because it's a shame. Red-eyed people do more and better than alto or aster. The latter so stupidly took RSA (idea), inserted hosted encryption into it with the help of that very mother - and voila, "independent crypt". OMG, nothing to say. Yes, RSA is theoretically substantiated, including ours - however, it was technologically created “with them”. What am I trying to explain to people like you die-hard. We had good ideas, are and will be. The trouble is that they do not reach the stage of implementation in our country. And yes - another super-domestic super-product from the super-domestic manufacturer Infotex is the good old iptables with hosted encryption screwed on. Right here "domestic technologies" from all cracks already climb. This is the only reason why their hardware firewall on Intel Atom (the Chinese have such "servers" cost about 10-15K, in fact, from there the infotex takes them) costs 100K.
And if you still have to turn up the heat: all this "domestic software" is classified by a special "committee". For example, for "office products" (where, thanks to Medvedev's decree, server OSs suddenly got to), we have (again - suddenly) the same "myofez. The main beneficiary is Rostelecom (a familiar name?) , and by compatibility - suddenly banned. Through the efforts of myofes :) With the magic formula "it is impossible to establish the country of origin" (which is not surprising, yes). Similarly, Ms. Kaspersky strangles any antiviruses and firewalls to the same mother :)
"Hurray-ism" should be treated, perhaps with electricity. He has nothing to do with patriotism. To treat me - just to blunt pussy, I have been working in IT for more than 30 years, and I am not playing solitaire, but I am engaged in the automation of large systems. Therefore, I don’t need to tell me about "domestic solutions", when the hardware is completely Chinese, and the main software is American (and a little European), shells and services for which are written by the Indians (often for a cup of rice, it is a sin to pay more for such qualifications). Domestic IT technologies died out along with the USSR. Yes, and there were a little bit of them.

[regulus]

He wrote well on the case, but no one here will understand you. This is not a hubr.

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: ivan19

Surely more than you think. Where "mine" gathers - you probably don't know. I guess what you mean by "mine" - and frankly amazed at your knowledge. You read about "domestic product" in the news, I felt this shit with my hands. Therefore, just take my word for it - I would be ashamed to hang "made in Russia" on this, because it's a shame. Red-eyed people do more and better than alto or aster. The latter so stupidly took RSA (idea), inserted hosted encryption into it with the help of that very mother - and voila, "independent crypt". OMG, nothing to say. Yes, RSA is theoretically substantiated, including ours - however, it was technologically created “with them”. What am I trying to explain to people like you die-hard. We had good ideas, are and will be. The trouble is that they do not reach the stage of implementation in our country. And yes - another super-domestic super-product from the super-domestic manufacturer Infotex is the good old iptables with hosted encryption screwed on. Right here "domestic technologies" from all cracks already climb. This is the only reason why their hardware firewall on Intel Atom (the Chinese have such "servers" cost about 10-15K, in fact, from there the infotex takes them) costs 100K.
And if you still have to turn up the heat: all this "domestic software" is classified by a special "committee". For example, for "office products" (where, thanks to Medvedev's decree, server OSs suddenly got to), we have (again - suddenly) the same "myofez. The main beneficiary is Rostelecom (a familiar name?) , and by compatibility - suddenly banned. Through the efforts of myofes :) With the magic formula "it is impossible to establish the country of origin" (which is not surprising, yes). Similarly, Ms. Kaspersky strangles any antiviruses and firewalls to the same mother :)
"Hurray-ism" should be treated, perhaps with electricity. He has nothing to do with patriotism. To treat me - just to blunt pussy, I have been working in IT for more than 30 years, and I am not playing solitaire, but I am engaged in the automation of large systems. Therefore, I don’t need to tell me about "domestic solutions", when the hardware is completely Chinese, and the main software is American (and a little European), shells and services for which are written by the Indians (often for a cup of rice, it is a sin to pay more for such qualifications). Domestic IT technologies died out along with the USSR. Yes, and there were a little bit of them.

my regards...

[ak747]

I doubt very much about my own axis. It takes a lot of specialists, a lot of money, and a large audience of potential users in order to pass the "baptism of fire" faster and to start writing useful software for it.

At one time, it was not someone else who managed the mobile OS, but Microsoft itself. Windows Phone did not take off. There is one non-alternative Android left.

[vka]

Now it’s clear that you don’t know the principle of work

[Korpus]

Quote: Ancestors from the Don

I do not cease to admire our Chinese comrades, the Americans did not have time to roll Android on their huavei, so they already scammed their software and wiped the nose of the extortionists.

Well done, they’re quick to respond .. And in Russia everyone is pulling, wait for everything to collapse with this Windows on a signal .Ekh of Russia, until the thunder strikes again

[Gray brother]

Quote: Korpus

Well done, they’re quick to respond .. And in Russia everyone is pulling

"At the SPIEF 2019 forum it became known that Huawei is testing its smartphones on the Russian operating system Aurora, and the Minister of Digital Development and Communications Konstantin Noskov discussed this transition with Huawei CEO Guo Ping. The topic was also raised at Vladimir Putin's meeting with Head of the People's Republic of China Xi Jinping. "
https://hightech.fm/2019/06/13/aurora-huawei

[Korpus]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: Korpus

Well done, they’re quick to respond .. And in Russia everyone is pulling

"At the SPIEF 2019 forum it became known that Huawei is testing its smartphones on the Russian operating system Aurora, and the Minister of Digital Development and Communications Konstantin Noskov discussed this transition with Huawei CEO Guo Ping. The topic was also raised at Vladimir Putin's meeting with Head of the People's Republic of China Xi Jinping. "
https://hightech.fm/2019/06/13/aurora-huawei

We will deal with the Chinese ..! But from the USA it’s all in any way OSes have become impudent and ask everything (it’s kind of official)
Let's wait, that our accounts will be reset to zero and Russia has no money! he he

[poquello]

Quote: Gray Brother

Huawei is testing the operation of its smartphones on the Russian operating system Aurora,

can test and tests, but the Chinese said about the harmony os

[Gray brother]

Quote: poquello

but the Chinese said about harmony wasps

Everything is still foggy of course, but one does not interfere with the other.

[poquello]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: poquello

but the Chinese said about harmony wasps

Everything is still foggy of course, but one does not interfere with the other.

I agree, the main thing is how they beautifully googled

[Gray brother]

Quote: poquello

googal

I heard something that the Americans kind of turned on the back - they sensed what it smells like.

[poquello]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: poquello

googal

I heard something that the Americans kind of turned on the back - they sensed what it smells like.

Since August 19, in news such as updates for android on huvei end

[Gray brother]

Quote: poquello

Since August 19, in news such as updates for android on huvei end

So I invented it myself))) Maybe there was about the continuation of the supply of chips - I heard a ring, but I don’t know where it is)))

[poquello]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: poquello

Since August 19, in news such as updates for android on huvei end

So I invented it myself))) Maybe there was about the continuation of the supply of chips - I heard a ring, but I don’t know where it is)))

Yes, no, Trump tryndit something there about the continuation of negotiations, but the processes are generally parallel, the Chinese have outplayed them

[Gray brother]

Quote: poquello

Trump something tryndit there about the continuation of negotiations

The Americans have nothing to catch on chips there at all, the Chinese are doing their own and the Kuomintang is supplying them with them - in:
"TAIPEI, 25 May 2019
Taiwanese company TSMC will continue to supply chips to Chinese company Huawei following the entry into force of US sanctions against the company. Nikkei Asian Review reports. "

[Pereira]

let's wait, that with this Windows everything will crash on a signal

.
I have a disk with a seven in my zahashnik.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Pereira

I have a disk with a seven in my zahashnik.

and I have pig and somewhere else the disc with the fourth NT is hanging

[phakic]

Archlinux with two thousandths)))) Why those drives ....

[poquello]

Quote: phake

Archlinux with two thousandth))))

Well, altlux is quite a

Quote: phake

Why are those disks ....

what do you mean why? and what?

[aiden]

Similarly. Arch linux - more than 10 years of work, has never been reinstalled. And it works like a clock. It will die only when the hardy sprinkle. I am a supporter of setting up a system for myself, and not that someone’s crooked hands do it, especially the crooked hands of our manufacturers of sawn OS

[poquello]

Quote: aiden

Similarly. Arch linux - more than 10 years of work, has never been reinstalled. And it works like a clock. It will die only when the hardy sprinkle. I am a supporter of setting up a system for myself, and not that someone’s crooked hands do it, especially the crooked hands of our manufacturers of sawn OS

mm, and now on modern versions of the weyland x is screwed on, too, yourself?

[aiden]

Why screw them then? I put waylang + cinnamon on the server on the freebies. Even ege victims can do it

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: phake

Why are those disks ....

that would be Oh, lie, do not ask

[Alex Justice]

I have a disk with a seven in my zahashnik.

Top ten deleted. There is nothing better than seven.

[aiden]

In two hours I will make my wasps as well as Huawei. They took AOSP (this is a free version of Android) stuck their shell and presented it as a finished product. Repeat this, a lot of mind is not necessary.

[poquello]

Quote: aiden

In two hours I will make my wasps as well as Huawei. They took AOSP (this is a free version of Android) stuck their shell and presented it as a finished product. Repeat this, a lot of mind is not necessary.

And androyd how did you do it? they took Linux, stuck it in their shell, changed the names of some system files

[aiden]

Well yes. But worth noting google there still a bunch of their libraries and software wrote. Developed a dalwick / art virtual machine, etc. And who would not go on Google, but it should be an example of what an IT company should be. The best specialists from around the world are there. And Google does not claim that it is an American OS. And by the way, Google also bought an android from Rubin. But if we take the half-dead state that he acquired and what he turned into, then this is earth and heaven.

[poquello]

Quote: aiden

But worth noting google there still a bunch of their libraries and software wrote.

by definition, google also adapted it to telephone processors, but this does not cancel the basis of Linux

[aiden]

Well, if you go further, then Linux starts with unix

[poquello]

Quote: aiden

Well, if you go further, then Linux starts with unix

Well, as if Unix is ​​already IMHO principles, like dos

[Zaurbek]

you can’t do it in half a year ... it was probably done.

[morgan_67]

"they have already mastered their software" - they have been working on this system since 2012.
"They [Huawei] already have the system, but they are not ready [to launch it]," University of Hong Kong professor Wong Kam Fai told AFP. "It would be ideal to have three more years."
It is only in Russia that they quickly mastery and then the rockets explode.

[Keyser soze]

so they have already plowed their software and wiped the nose of the ransomware.

This is not for smartphones, first. The second, it only rolls in China where Google services are not used. And in Europe, their sales fell catastrophically. It's a pity, I want to buy their phone for myself, but without the additional services of Google it will not be useful.

[LeonidL]

You need to start not with applications but with OSes.

[Rwmos]

Naked OS Aurora is. It won’t go anywhere - there are no applications, what for who needs a bare OS? A screensaver to admire?

[Gray brother]

Quote: RWMos

no applications

No app store. The system supports android applications.

[poquello]

Quote: RWMos

Naked OS Aurora is. It won’t go anywhere - there are no applications, what for who needs a bare OS? A screensaver to admire?

maybe you’ll better chew it, this is Linux, all Linux applications for assembly

[Starover_Z]

Quote: LeonidL

You need to start not with applications but with OSes.

And you need to bind network switching to them. Although you still need to sculpt one, with the increase in miniaturization, the problems of bookmarks in hardware iron only increase.

[LeonidL]

Only all your own and verified, otherwise you should not tease geese. Iron + operating system + applications. (On Linux, you can at least check something more or less)

[paul3390]

And why did they decide that Yandex, Rambler and Mail are Russian companies ???

[_Ugene_]

yes, unfortunately these Russian companies are actually not entirely Russian, and some are not Russian at all

[Ural-4320]

... and suddenly, the thought comes that state-owned enterprises are still needed.

[Den717]

At the last meeting of the higher headquarters for the ACS units, the task was set to switch to domestic software in the next two years. Those. , not a discussion of problems, but gave the command to reinstall. So it will be carried out in the required amount. This order was given at the regional level for all state and municipal institutions and enterprises. Chinese comrades should not be admired, because today they launch in test mode, it has been done for a long time. It just somehow happened that the Yankees were late again. - began to press the huavei, when she became ready to repel a collision in this direction. We also plan something similar, namely OS Aurora. No one can predict when the states will decide to blackmail us
its software product. But that it will be, few doubt.

[syndicalist]

But that it will be, few doubt.

Allow me to doubt it. How many such meetings were there on armature, pak-fa and so on? So what? Amazing successes?

[Den717]

Quote: syndicalist

Allow me to doubt it.

Doubt about what? That the tasks were set at the meeting? Stupid. It is a fact. Is it that they will be fulfilled? In two years we will see .... All doubts are resolved by life. You, I think, are talking about armature and pak-fa at the level of advertising brochures and statements on the Internet. To talk about the enormity of success, you must learn to distinguish between success and failure, for a start. Bending over from cold and hunger, having an enemy at Stalingrad, the country believed in victory and made plans for the post-war future. Do you want to doubt? No problem, doubt as much as you like. You can immediately sprinkle ashes on your head - "everything is gone, it's gone ... whether the polymers ...!"

[syndicalist]

No, I can believe that next year, Armats will go to the army in thousands, replacing obsolete equipment, and planes of 5th generation will plow into the sky. But, here, the fact that as a result of some meetings we will have a modern mass Russian processor or operating system, sorry, no.

[LeonidL]

Why thousands of "Armats" ????? With whom did they deign to fight in the next decade? The answer is unequivocal - asymmetric, not aimed at winning at any cost, but preventing an attack by threatening a possible price. The best victory for the army is to keep the peace. An army is strong when a potential aggressor is afraid of it, and not by herds of never-used iron monsters.

[tracer]

Forgot to report to you personally?

[Candidate of Military Sciences]

Do not "lament" like that, everything is fine there. And with fittings and with everything else - the question is under control. However, if you are just an alarmist, then continue) Looks cool, especially for those who are in the subject.

[Non liberoid Russian]

the author of the text forgot to add that all "domestic" software was developed in those imported software environments and / or on their basis, from which they are so eager to get away

[Gray brother]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

and / or based on them,

You won’t believe it, but Andrew is also developed on the basis of Linux.

[aiden]

The same aurora is a Finnish sailfish bought. And proudly called domestic development. There patriotic only money, wallpaper and pre-installed garbage from applications that only interferes with the normal operation of the device

[poquello]

Quote: aiden

The same aurora is a Finnish sailfish bought.

Oh!

Sailfish is essentially the direct descendant of the Meego operating system. You may have managed to see her in the Nokia N9. Meego is real Linux, which, in addition to the kernel, has a familiar set of components such as Systemd, Pulseaudio and Wayland

[aiden]

Wayland and systemd weren’t at that time

[LeonidL]

Base base is different. There are bases, for example, machine language (assemblers) which, at least whose one, is universal and international. You can of course get into assembler, but you can after all check the source. Iron firmware is another matter, it's more complicated there.

[Rwmos]

It is definitely necessary to promote Russian software. And state structures are forced to transplant him. It’s just necessary that not only 1С, but 5-6 companies deal with such software, then there will be a normal product

[Den717]

Quote: RWMos

It’s just necessary that not only 1C, but 5-6 companies should deal with such software, then there will be a normal product

The list of software manufacturers in Russia includes 82 companies and groups of companies. Enough? And when the transition from Microsoft, at least in the state and municipal sectors, happens, these companies will multiply like rabbits.

[aiden]

For government agencies, you need to make the OS and distribute it for free. You can save so much money.

[Rwmos]

The problem is that developers will then also be paid ... "Free" And they will run away. No, dear friend, here it is precisely necessary to develop our own software market. And again, if you pay - only then there will be competition for the supply of software, for example, to schools. It doesn’t smell like millions, billions, there is something to cling to, and why code a training course, for example

[vadson]

the problem is not only that, okay, the OS should write the floor of trouble. where to get firewood for at least cars installed in state offices? these are hundreds and thousands, and even tens of thousands of drivers must be written. who will do this? iron manufacturers? Yes, they are still not writing all the firewood for the penguin, but here for a million computers in which different hardware must be written for the driver. conclusion - neither print nor video nor network nor a bunch of everything will work

[aiden]

Do you think their crooked developers are writing? Proprietary Linux drivers from the device manufacturer are taken. Do not exaggerate the work of these mediocrity. They give alien as theirs

[rocket757]

We still have "beards" and something else will not start to cut, business will not get off the ground!

[Vadim02rus]

I often meet people, mostly young people - didn’t work? Well, figs with him. There is no desire to understand and solve the problem.

[rocket757]

A whole department of such !!! with the rarest exception!
Most have to grind that it is necessary to solve the problem, and not look for workarounds, shirk to the side .... as they like to call it, a creative approach ???
How to hammer into them ???? That covering up the "hole" from the outside, without finding out the reasons for its appearance, always leads to bad results!

[evgen1221]

Of course it’s important, but I would also like to see my available PC accessories.

[Gray brother]

Quote: evgen1221

I would like to see my available PC accessories.

The point is small - to make them cheaper than the Chinese do. There is nothing more affordable than the Chinese now.

[Operator]

It is high time for the "Russian" minister of communications to resign.

[Masha]

as always ... swinging for a long time, when to harness?

[Candidate of Military Sciences]

Well, finally, at least something, the presidential decree about it came out in 2005! ... I will say one thing - do not give up! Do not cope - bury the whole country!

[Ural-4320]

And who should start? There was a time when people at the domestic base cloned ZX Spectrum, Apple II, PDP-11, and now, even with tons of information about these devices, few in Russia are capable of this. The emulators on the Raspberry Pie are foreign, some experiments are again foreign. The domestic version of Arduino started well, but now there is no mention of it.
Elbrus is very cool, but it turned out clumsy in terms of "for people".

[Candidate of Military Sciences]

Therefore, I say - do not quit. A worthwhile thing is always hard at the beginning.
But you have too many doubts, it never happens in life.
Without sacrifices, there is no success at all - give them a good fight. And the breeders here, and the hucksters there. Now there is a good chance for this. There will be no other chances. Do not have time - you will see only damage and collapse. I have been waiting for this chance all my life, I did not sit idly by, I was ready and did quite a lot for this ... but did not wait, now it's too late. ... And you will succeed, you just stop whining ...
Act, arrange a good "fight" for everyone who does not understand that the independence of the choice of technological development, ESPECIALLY IN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION NOW, cannot be exchanged for ready-made foreign solutions. Now everything has become obvious and there is time and money to change the situation.
Act, you won’t have to regret it, nor will you be sad about your wasted life.
I believe that this will happen, as a result, many of you will become famous people not only in your country. And none of those who decide will ever regret the path traveled towards the goals for which it’s worth going to work in the morning, ... for which it’s worth living.

[ak747]

The element base of the 80s was different from the modern one just like the I-16 from the Su-35. 80 and 86 processors who only in the world did not rivet. And now only Intel and AMD are left to the whole world.
The increasing complexity of technology leads to higher prices for production, and it leads to inevitable monopolization.

[Irokez]

There are still Baikals and Elbrus and you know about it, but for some reason they were silent, and silence is a distortion of truth and reality akin to deception.

[no one]

There is enough Russian software in our country, but it's all only for Windows and Apple. We do not have a computer developed in Russia. I generally keep quiet about phones, one continuous import.

In the list of browsers and search engines, IRI singled out Yandex.Browser, Sputnik and Rambler

Among the search engines I choose Yandex, it is better than Google. But among the browsers I choose Mozila, Opera and Vivaldi, these browsers suit me.

Safari and Microsoft Edge

Is anyone else using them?

[Gray brother]

Quote: ninguem

Is anyone else using them?

Edge corporations use some corporations whose installation of third-party software is tightly cut off by the security policy.
A normal person will not use this devilry.

[Ural-4320]

Yandex regularly shakes with the correctness of the search: a week can show what you are looking for, the next can show weather on Mars by a very simple request.

[syndicalist]

Yandex and mail.ru should generally be equated with viruses for their persistence in advertising and self-installation. You’ll also remove horseradish!

[Gray brother]

Quote: Ural-4320

Yandex regularly shakes with the correctness of the search:

Google is cooler in this regard.
In Google images, first type "spring in Russia" and then type "spring in Ukraine" and compare the search results. I guarantee - get joked.

[Alex Justice]

In Google images, first type "spring in Russia", and then type "spring in Ukraine" and compare the search results.

Frantic propaganda

[Barmaleyka]

In the list of browsers and search engines, IRI singled out Yandex.Browser Rambler

I can’t laugh and since then Chromium has become domestic software? !!!

[Oleg Zorin]

Personally, I, as a user, use the software that is convenient for me. I do not look domestic or foreign. A phone with 3-4 GB of RAM allows you to painlessly stop almost everything that is crammed in it initially and put your own.

[Saxahorse]

All these lobbyists have already got it .. I began to use Yandex three times less often since they began to shine their annoying window every time they start, "replace the browser." Normal users want any pre-installed and especially non-removable applications to be banned completely. I myself will somehow figure out what I want to see in my smartphone.

[Clueless]

"In the list of browsers and search engines, IRI highlighted Yandex.Browser, Sputnik and Rambler, which, according to experts, compete with Safari and Microsoft Edge" - I did not even read further :) This is the same as declaring that VAZ decided to compete with .. garden cart.
When you write such nonsense, do you even see how much Safari and Microsoft keep the market in browsers.

[ak747]

Not a cart, but some Citroen and Fiat.
At the same time, he kept silent about Hyundai, KIA and VW Polo being snapped like pies.

[Clueless]

"and the Yandex.Maps application - maps on MacOS and Windows Maps." ... I've seen so many teapots that I didn't even know about maps from Apple and Windows :)) No, I certainly knew that they were, but didn’t see who uses them :))

[Mestny]

I look in the comments came running juvenile computer experts.
Expected.

[Mentat]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: poquello

Trump something tryndit there about the continuation of negotiations

The Americans have nothing to catch on chips there at all, the Chinese are doing their own and the Kuomintang is supplying them with them - in:
"TAIPEI, 25 May 2019
Taiwanese company TSMC will continue to supply chips to Chinese company Huawei following the entry into force of US sanctions against the company. Nikkei Asian Review reports. "

What do you mean "there is nothing to catch"? Everything that China uses in the manufacture of products going to the global market is a licensed copy of Western chips. If, for example, Arm shuts off oxygen, all production will simply end. The problem for Americans from the other end is that this is a loss of money, that products have to be produced somewhere. And production in other places, for example, in Vietnam or India, is only in the planning process. Companies have already approached Trump with a request to lift the sanctions. This is an initiative of American companies that are not eager to pay for geopolitics from corporate budgets.

[Mentat]

Quote: ninguem

We do not have a computer developed in Russia.

Actually, there is Elbrus, and in fact is an example of Russia's capabilities in developing such complex products, which for some reason is very little talked about. The performance is comparable with computers on Intel processors. With a difference in budgets, this is a tremendous achievement.

[ak747]

Comparable in native mode. Elbrus use VLIW architecture with a very long team.
In x86 compatibility mode, they noticeably lose.

If we are considering proces for the S-400, then this is normal. And if for mass use - it won’t work. No one will rewrite the office, browser and World of Tanks under Elbrus.

[Irokez]

In your words, you always feel some kind of decadent mood and criticism of what our country is trying to do.
Any kind of development is subject to criticism of the type of expensive, slow, not popular, and so on, and at the same time it’s necessary. But when you listen to the feeling, come that everything is bad and we have already lagged behind for the rest of our lives and DO NOT DO ANYTHING because we will not catch up and everything sucks.
You’ll already decide whether you are a liberal and the West will help us, or you’ll still be a constructive and sensible critic with faith in the best for the fatherland, but then you don’t need to spread your own, started and only trying to get on your feet because negative thoughts and messages are a brake on people that doing something good and wholesome. If you do nothing, then nothing will ever be done. His first will never be better than what is already in the world, but if you start to catch up, you know you can once catch up, and even overtake and become a leader.
Did Bill Gates do his own MS-DOS? I bought the base one from another chela and mocked it to fit my own, Apple put ideas into Screw. Anyway, right now, where is something specifically national? Yes, nowhere, the whole world copies and steals from the whole world and applies to itself and it turns out that all the developers, but only some very smart and tricky ones, having captured the market, promote their own (picking all the best from the world) posing as purely their own development and skim the cream .
Linux is a very good alternative to all US monopalists in terms of both OS and software. The monopolists feel this and will always put sticks in the wheels of the alternative processes, but there is nothing eternal and the alternative will go to the masses and the main thing is that these monopalists again do not seize this alternative and take control and profit from it.

[sibiryak.vitya]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

Well, yes, on the basis of Linux, it's your own, Chinese.

And whose radio? Russian or Italian?
What about the phone? What about electricity? What about genetics? What nonsense is to appropriate nationality to knowledge.

[sibiryak.vitya]

Quote: Bad

"In the list of browsers and search engines, IRI highlighted Yandex.Browser, Sputnik and Rambler, which, according to experts, compete with Safari and Microsoft Edge" - I did not even read further :) This is the same as declaring that VAZ decided to compete with .. garden cart.
When you write such nonsense, do you even see how much Safari and Microsoft keep the market in browsers.

If the concerts of the Modern Shaker go much more than to Vivaldi, this does not mean that the scumbag is more talented and has made more Antonio for the culture.
Apparently, you are one of those who are dying of the sight of Malevich’s Black Square, thinking about the depth and breadth of the philosophy of this piece of dirty canvas. Unaware. that he was mocking people like you. For such, the main thing is to be in the stream. And it doesn’t matter that it can be a jet from a toilet.

[sibiryak.vitya]

Quote: ivan19

In fact, the Open Source Community does not really do anything: all significant kernel improvements are made by commerce (RedHat, SUSE, etc.). In fact, the rights to the Linux kernel (without which nothing would work) belong to Torvalds, who has been bitten by liberalism for a long time. Well, etc.
Arguments about "domestic software" such as AltLinux or AstraLinux are frankly ridiculous. We hung cloth-thin ruffles on an imported skirt - and here you are, a "domestic product": D
Separate affection is caused by "domestic" products of the nightmare name and "myofez" (clumsy, completely indigestible something) - a little more than completely dependent on M $ (at least - at the level of frameworks, the build environment and library sets), or "Yandex Browser "/" sputniks ", which are dumb add-ons to the Chrome core ...
We do not have anything domestic in our IT - and there will not be, at least, until a domestic OS is developed, which does not depend in any way on Linux or M $. And about "opensyrts community" - this is for little girls. Not funny in any way and never. No one will do anything sensible for free - and normal code tests also cost money (sometimes more than the code itself).
Zadolbal already idiotic IRI with its "innovations" and "news" ... "stupid people, XXXXX ..." (c) Why is it impossible to "master" the budget on the quiet, why all this public insanity?

Pravdorub and the Democrat: Whose invention is RADIO? Who invented the letter A? What the hell are the shit to nonsense - the author’s priority disappears after a very certain period of time. Or is there a desire to put his hand on the use of the wheel?

[aiden]

How many Russian supporters put a minus here. I just wish you to have these items on your computers and at the same time you have no alternative. Russian pseudo OS, forks of free software purchased by you. And then to see the demotivator or meme - the third day went ...

[sibiryak.vitya]

Quote: ivan19

Torvalds can easily arrange a tantrum, which easily leads to the next sanctions. Denmark, SP2 - doesn't it remind you of anything? :) Well, the ban from the side of Torvalds easily turn an aster / eagle / al into a pumpkin. Alt, in fact, is a pumpkin, the aster did not see.
"They have the right", of course, according to the Civil Code of the Russian Federation - there is generally a very amusing interpretation of copyright. Which does not do (technologically, in the first place) all these products "domestic products". To support them already and so support, they eat public money with pleasure and in three throats ("School Linux", "distribution for the military", etc. - all this is for money). The sadness is that the mountain, once again, gives birth and gives birth to mice.
Money should not be invested in these garbage dumps, but in a normal education. With the Unified State Exam, they only give us a similar "domestic product".

No, you are crazy.
Arrange a tantrum and put the whole world in cancer. Indicate the number of the patent with which this person can arrange this. And protest thousands of parallel existing scriptures that have formal differences that do not give anyone the right to absolute authority of the product owner.

[Al_lexx]

Like everything is buzzing. But moving from an MS office to something else for office workers is like switching to other calculation systems, instead of meters and kilograms. Bogged down too deep ...

[ak747]

Therefore, by the way, Microsoft for a long time was loyal to the fact that every first Windows was pirated. Bait.

[sibiryak.vitya]

Quote: ivan19

Surely more than you think. Where "mine" gathers - you probably don't know. I guess what you mean by "mine" - and frankly amazed at your knowledge. You read about "domestic product" in the news, I felt this shit with my hands. Therefore, just take my word for it - I would be ashamed to hang "made in Russia" on this, because it's a shame. Red-eyed people do more and better than alto or aster. The latter so stupidly took RSA (idea), inserted hosted encryption into it with the help of that very mother - and voila, "independent crypt". OMG, nothing to say. Yes, RSA is theoretically substantiated, including ours - however, it was technologically created “with them”. What am I trying to explain to people like you die-hard. We had good ideas, are and will be. The trouble is that they do not reach the stage of implementation in our country. And yes - another super-domestic super-product from the super-domestic manufacturer Infotex is the good old iptables with hosted encryption screwed on. Right here "domestic technologies" from all cracks already climb. This is the only reason why their hardware firewall on Intel Atom (the Chinese have such "servers" cost about 10-15K, in fact, from there the infotex takes them) costs 100K.
And if you still have to turn up the heat: all this "domestic software" is classified by a special "committee". For example, for "office products" (where, thanks to Medvedev's decree, server OSs suddenly got to), we have (again - suddenly) the same "myofez. The main beneficiary is Rostelecom (a familiar name?) , and by compatibility - suddenly banned. Through the efforts of myofes :) With the magic formula "it is impossible to establish the country of origin" (which is not surprising, yes). Similarly, Ms. Kaspersky strangles any antiviruses and firewalls to the same mother :)
"Hurray-ism" should be treated, perhaps with electricity. He has nothing to do with patriotism. To treat me - just to blunt pussy, I have been working in IT for more than 30 years, and I am not playing solitaire, but I am engaged in the automation of large systems. Therefore, I don’t need to tell me about "domestic solutions", when the hardware is completely Chinese, and the main software is American (and a little European), shells and services for which are written by the Indians (often for a cup of rice, it is a sin to pay more for such qualifications). Domestic IT technologies died out along with the USSR. Yes, and there were a little bit of them.

While you walked in short pants and more on the pot, we were on the level. Perhaps not quite the first, but there was no shame.
When the time of your snotty youth passed, that damn thing started. Aren't you the biggest 30 year old specialists present to blame? Be silent louder. It will be right.

[sibiryak.vitya]

Quote: Pereira

let's wait, that with this Windows everything will crash on a signal

.
I have a disk with a seven in my zahashnik.

I have Vinda 95, 98, HP, 7. The comp is old, dual core, it doesn’t need a new one.

[sibiryak.vitya]

Quote: aiden

Well, if you go further, then Linux starts with unix

Sheer nonsense. Everything comes from the Greek Calends.

[sibiryak.vitya]

Quote: Not a liberoid Russian

the author of the text forgot to add that all "domestic" software was developed in those imported software environments and / or on their basis, from which they are so eager to get away

And who said that for this you need to reinvent the wheel, the alphabet, and re-build the triangle of Archimedes? The important thing is not what language the thing is written in, but who is its owner. Who has the document in hand and who has the right to allow or prohibit. Yes, let the Chinese try to show someone sanctions for using gunpowder. They will be sent so far that they ....

[sibiryak.vitya]

Damn old. Pythagoras, not Archimedes. I missed the time, and adjustment became impossible.

[Chaldon48]

Still, the prices for software would be dropped, otherwise the OS costs almost a third of the cost of a PC.

[ak747]

The Institute for Internet Development appears to be familiar with the Internet on the "Rabinovich sang" principle.

Microsoft Edge is the most popular browser for downloading other browsers, taking over from the bad memory of Internet Explorer. And Safari is a browser for glamorous macs, which are more than weakly distributed in Russia, because they are exorbitant compared to a Windows self-assembled computer and they don’t upgrade anymore.
Where have the most popular browsers - Chrome, Opera and Firefox - gone? Of the "alternatives" mentioned, only the Yandex browser is more or less used, but that one did not lie next to the "big three" either.

Yandex maps, Yandex disk and other Yandex services compete with Google Maps, Google Drive, etc.
As for the Office - the overwhelming majority of users have Microsoft Office in the "trophy" version.

I didn't understand about messengers at all. The once popular QIP seems to have died with ICQ. Of WhatsApp, Viber and Telegram, only the latter is associated with Russia, but it cannot be considered Russian, if only for the reason that it was "blocked" by Roskomnadzor.

[Tarasios]

Quote: Ancestors from the Don

I do not cease to admire our Chinese comrades, the Americans did not have time to roll Android on their huavei, so they already scammed their software and wiped the nose of the extortionists.

Huawei has been sawing its operating system since 2012, but yes, it looks like "the Americans did not have time" :)
By the way, that Android, that the operating system from Huawei (I don’t remember the name, I’m too lazy to look for it), that the "superoperating system from Russian developers to replace Windows" are developed on the basis of Linux. This is so, speaking of "cool developers"
As for Mile ru and Yandex, they, in due time, regularly placed so many nasty things on computers that with their single name cause persistent heartburn. To me, as the owner of a service center, treating client computers from this muck brought me income, but this fact does not make this muck nicer).
So I look at these "analogues" with great doubt.

[Tarasios]

Quote: ak747

The once-popular QIP seems to have died with ICQ.

here, in Ukraine, as Gunpowder blocked the "Russian threat", so QIP and ICQ were blocked. I had to transfer business contacts to Skype. Skype, after "processing by Microsoft" - has become a cumbersome inhibited shnyaga, in which ordinary users could hardly register on their own.
I still have QIP on my computer (stubbornness + nostalgia, there was a good messenger). Sometimes I even launch - just the point? .. Nobody is already in it ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Of course, it is necessary to support Russian software manufacturers, the question is only in what form.

It is certainly not necessary to force everyone to transfer only to Russian software, but some benefits such as zeroing the income tax, canceling VAT for such manufacturers should be done.

Let them work create a competitive product in the field of software, promote it in our market and in foreign markets, but they will have to be screwed up how they get on their feet and earn steady income tax.

If we buy some kind of software from foreign manufacturers (like any other product), we simply give money abroad, when we buy a Russian analogue, this money remains in our economy and is returned to us through the exchange chain.

[Mentat]

Quote: ak747

Comparable in native mode. Elbrus use VLIW architecture with a very long team.
In x86 compatibility mode, they noticeably lose.

If we are considering proces for the S-400, then this is normal. And if for mass use - it won’t work. No one will rewrite the office, browser and World of Tanks under Elbrus.

You just do not know. There is an "office and browser" for Elbrus, as well as other working software.
To drive WoT there is x86. These are not "people's computers", obviously, at least for now.

[Zaurbek]

Well, the Office is then in the State-owned enterprises and Skype for conferences can be replaced ?!

[Metallurg_2]

a list of Russian software is proposed that can replace foreign software on computers with Windows and MacOS operating systems

And they did not consider replacing them with Windows and MacOS domestic analogues, as the initial version?

[leoni53]

Russophobian Rambler? More than strange Russian software.

[Maxim_ms]

Only Yandex is driving the industry.
The rest of the proposed crap is complete.

And as for the managers, they didn’t write the truth on telegrams in the top, they could not block the RCU.