Paris. Museum of the Army. Artillery excesses

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Paris, Army Museum. And now let's stop with a story about what you can see in Europe from the bus window and see what you can see there if you live at least a little there. Well, let's say, in the same Paris, if you arrive there in the afternoon of 13, and leave in the afternoon of 15 of July. Why are these days so important? So after 14, it’s Bastille Day, when a military parade is held in Paris and everything works. Macron ordered. “A holiday is a holiday, and an economy is an economy!” So ​​shops, cafes, and all museums work. And for free, which is certainly very important for a tourist. True, the Museum of the Middle Ages (Cluny Museum) for some reason still demanded money for entry, but it’s cheap there, so this expense can be completely neglected, and not every regular visitor to the VO site, if he, of course, ends up in Paris , go there - a place for an amateur. But it’s simply impossible to miss the “Army Museum”.


Today we have a story about artillery from the exposition of the Army Museum in Paris. Therefore, we start with a photograph of the entrance to the hall, where its samples are located. Looking at the open vents of the cannons exhibited in it, you involuntarily begin to respect everyone: those who created them, those who shot them, and those ... who shot them!




Getting to it is easy. You take the subway (line No.7), although you may have to make several transfers, you leave at the Latur-Mobur station (it was one of the Napoleonic military leaders), and here it is right in front of you. You can go to the "Military School", but go there longer.


Now I’ll go in there ...


The museum is located in the huge building of the House of Disabled. It was named so because King Louis XIV in 1670 built it to accommodate disabled soldiers and veterans, where they lived on full state support, however, they worked there in the workshops, doing what was feasible for themselves. Therefore, the Disabled House had everything: dormitories for sleeping, and dining rooms, and kitchens, and spacious workshops, and even fields for games. There is also a soldier’s church and the tomb of Napoleon herself. So he is buried, one might say, if not quite among his soldiers, then in any case quite close to their place of residence.


And this is not a museum exhibit at all, but the Griffon armored car of the army forces called to Paris to ensure law and order during the holiday. A year ago it was adopted, which, incidentally, was written in our military unit, and already today they were in large numbers at the Army Museum and in other places. It’s clear that just in case.



Well, in the air above the museum and the square in front of it, this helicopter was barraging throughout the parade.


The exposition of artillery guns - and today we will tell about them specifically - begins right at the entrance and continues inside the museum’s square courtyard, where the gun barrels and the guns themselves are located around its perimeter.


Such a mortar is standing there in the corner of the courtyard. And it is remarkable just because of the absence of any frills, that is, it is functional in a modern way. Well, and the firing range from it was changed with the help of many charges laid down in it according to a special table.



Peksan's naval bomb weapon. However, this is already the 19th century, when people began to realize that all these curls and coats of arms on gun trunks were completely useless!



This is a tool. View from above. There are no decorative excesses on it anymore.



The gun trunks displayed here in the courtyard do not at all look like that. The royal lily is reproduced in many on their trunks, which does not affect their quality in any way, but it makes it clear to everyone who these tools belong to and that this is nothing more than “the last argument of the kings”.

A few words, so, for "common development." The Museum was founded in the 1905 year, when the collections of the Artillery Museum and the Military History Museum were combined into one. Today, the Museum de la Arme has one of the world's richest collections of military installations in stories. It contains about 500 000 units weapons, armor, artillery, jewelry, emblems, paintings and photographs, which allows you to get acquainted with French military history from the Middle Ages to the end of World War II. Each year, two temporary exhibitions are held in it, and there is also a wide cultural program for concerts, lectures, film cycles and other events.


Since gun barrels in the XVI - XVIII centuries. cast from bronze, many of them look like real works of foundry art.



Coats of arms and emblems, mottos, faces of animals, “rosettes” and “curls” - the imagination of foundry craftsmen who tried to give their guns a unique look, knew no bounds. Then it was believed that the tools should not only be functional, but also beautiful. And how much extra bronze went to all these curls even can not be calculated.



Even the purely functional details of the gun barrel were sometimes given a completely fantastic look. Here is wingrad ...



And these are dolphins cast in the shape of crowned eagles!



Now we go inside and see here such a bombard of terrible appearance, consisting of two parts - the barrel and the charging chamber docked to it. Question: and as soon as such weapons were made? Since casting large trunks of bronze had not yet been mastered, and they could not cast iron, the tools were forged! This is generally surprising, if you think about it in much the same way as the Egyptians made stone blocks for their pyramids, only here for some reason no one calls for help from stellar aliens and immigrants from Hyperborea. Although it would be worth it, because this operation was the most difficult. At first, iron longitudinal strips were forged tightly adjacent to each other. Then they were joined together on a wooden cylindrical billet using blacksmithing. That is, this heavy pipe was heated in the furnace. Then it was put on a wooden blank, which, of course, burned and forged. And so many times, until a pipe came out of these very constrained bands. But in order to keep them stronger and the gas pressure would not burst them, another row was put on this pipe. Now from the iron rings. Which, in a heated state, were pulled onto the pipe and so cooled, compressing it during cooling.


The rows of rings worn on the trunk are clearly visible.


For example, the Belgian Rocket Greta bombard, manufactured using this technology in Ghent at the end of the 14th – beginning of the 15th centuries, had an inner layer of 32 longitudinal iron strips, and an outer one consisting of 41 welded ring of variable thickness, fitted close to one another . The caliber of this bombardment was about 600 mm, weight, according to various sources, from 11 to 16 tons (for some reason we have conflicting data), the length of the bore is about 3 meters, and the total is more than 4 meters. The weight of its stone core is determined precisely: 320 kg. The most interesting thing is that initially the charging chambers on such bombers were screwed in, for which holes for levers were provided for them. And quite often several chambers were made towards one bombard, obviously in order to increase its rate of fire. But ... First, you can imagine what it was like to do for this thread or some kind of bayonet mount. And secondly, in fact, this did not increase the rate of fire. The metal from the shot was heated, expanded, and it was already impossible to unscrew the chamber. It was necessary to wait for the bombard to cool or to water it abundantly.

Therefore, very soon both the scorers and the mortars simply began to cast from bronze like bells!


For example, the mortar bombard of the Order of Malta from the island of Rhodes (1480-1500), (“Museum of the Army”, Paris). It was commissioned by Pierre d'Aubusson and was used during the siege of Rhodes to defend the nearby approaches to the walls (100 - 200 m). One of the largest bombard surviving to this day. Could shoot granite cores weighing 260 kg. The weight of the bombard itself is 3325 kg.



In the center of the 200, a kilogram wrought iron bombard (around 1450 of the year) is also made of metal bars joined by hot forging and fastened with metal hoops. Could shoot six-kilogram stone cores. The total length is 82 cm. On it, as you can see, as well as on the mortar on the left, there are already pins that were not originally on the gun trunks. Right breech-loading falconet, one of the first breech-loading guns. There were also several charging chambers for him. But they were inserted into the barrel, and not screwed into it, but fixed in it with the help of a wedge. So the rate of fire of such a gun was quite high. True, it was not very convenient to service the falconet due to a gas breakthrough in the area of ​​the joint of the barrel and the chamber. However, such guns were a find for the ships of that time, which were small in size: in order to load them, it was not necessary to roll them out of the cannon port onto the deck.


All these weapons look very utilitarian. The masters who made them did not have time for embellishment. But as soon as the guns learned to cast from copper, bronze or cast iron, the situation immediately changed. Now the trunks began to decorate, and every master tried to surpass the beauty of the trunks of his guns of another.


For example, the gun’s barrel, completely covered with exquisite floral patterns.



At this gun, the barrel is not only covered with twisted flutes, but also a snake is cast on it, which, apparently, is associated with its name.



Snake close-up.



A popular motive was the mouth of a monster, from which came out either the muzzle of the trunk, or the very cut of the muzzle.



Accordingly, on the opposite side of the barrel, the trunk could have such an ending in the form of an animal muzzle. She also played the role of Wingrad, which was done through a hole for pulling the rope.



It is interesting that the museum exposition has a lot of gun barrel mock-ups, cast in bronze on a reduced scale and showing samples of cannon casting.


This material is called "artillery excesses" and this is due not only to the pretentiousness of cannon casting. The fact is that, having learned to cast trunks from bronze, the masters of the past thereby “untied their hands” and were given the opportunity to create the most unusual guns not only in shape but also in their design. Many of the samples of such unusual tools are shown in the Museum of the Army on mock-ups made of wood and metal, and very beautiful and accurate, made on a fairly large scale, allowing them to be well examined.


For example, a Turkish multi-barrel cannon. She has one main trunk and eight trunks located on its circumference of a smaller caliber. Why such a system is completely incomprehensible, however, it exists, and in metal.



And, apparently, this was not a whim of the master, but a peculiar trend, since such a multi-barrel bicaliber mortar was also made.



Ship gun with three channels in one triangular barrel.



An infantry gun on five channels at once.



The twelve-barrel "organ of death."


Paris. Museum of the Army. Artillery excesses

By the way, the fact that multi-barrel guns were very popular in the Middle Ages is evidenced by their numerous miniature images. The Siege of Reims by the Army of Edward III (1359). Thumbnail from The Chronicles of Froissart (National Library of France, Paris)



And here there is one trunk at the weapon, but this gun had to shoot with lentil shells. And not in the form of a disk, but in a completely modern form, being pointed in front. It’s just that in flight they didn’t rotate, so the accuracy of firing from such a gun could hardly be discussed.



Last we look at this: hand-held mortar grenade launchers. The wooden “arc” at the back is such a ... butt with a tip on the end. Rather, emphasis, since the recoil from a shot even with an 700 gram grenade was extremely high and it was simply impossible to shoot without emphasis. In particular with a flat fire. And so, the tail stuck a point into the ground and ... it was possible to shoot, and all the returns like a modern mortar went into the ground!


Today we say goodbye to the Army Museum in Paris. But in the following materials we will continue the story about this unique museum.

To be continued ...
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  1. +12
    11 August 2019 05: 34
    Yes, the author was lucky, there is something for a lover of the military to see.
    I, too, while being in the domestic capitals first thing in military museums: SA, Navy, Artillery. Patriot is no longer available, alas, far away.
    There is a small military museum in Tashkent, but the outdoor exposition was liquidated, a square was destroyed (!?). He drove both his son and grandson, it was interesting to the boys!
    1. AUL
      +3
      11 August 2019 10: 08
      When I happen to be in St. Petersburg, I definitely go to the Museum of Artillery, Engineering Troops and Signal Troops. I haven’t been to Paris, but I think our museum will not give in to Paris!
  2. +3
    11 August 2019 05: 47
    Yes, there were times when weapons were not just a "weapon of death", but also a "work of art"
  3. +2
    11 August 2019 06: 02
    In Kaunas, in the military museum, there is also a rich collection of tools - a coulevrin! And how many muskets and pistols are there !!!
    1. +4
      11 August 2019 14: 11
      My mother almost kicked me out of the Tula Museum of weapons ... crying
      1. +6
        11 August 2019 15: 06
        However, like many, from similar museums. The first thought when visiting: "Wow, damn it !!!", the second: "Can I live here for a while, please!" crying
        1. +2
          11 August 2019 15: 16
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          First thought when visiting: "Wow, damn it !!!"

          I walked there spellbound. Sabers, drafts, daggers ... Wow! ...
          I remember this one, beauties. And in Yasnaya Polyana daggers were sold at 11 rubles, they did not buy me ... crying For about a year in 83 it was about.
          1. +6
            11 August 2019 15: 26
            Good money, at that time, could live for a week. I have the most vivid impression of 82, a visit to the Trinity Sergius Lavra and the Toy Museum in Zagorsk.
            1. +1
              11 August 2019 15: 36
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Trinity of St. Sergius Lavra

              Is it Zagorsk or what? I fed pigeons there while my mother stood in line for the icon. And, beguiled, Trinity-Sergeyevskaya seems to be no sideways to Sergiev Posad ....
              1. +3
                11 August 2019 15: 48
                This is one locality that has repeatedly undergone renaming.
                1. +1
                  11 August 2019 15: 53
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  repeatedly renamed.

                  But nothing special. My hometown was originally called Bobriki, then - Stalinogorsk, then - Novomoskovsk ...
                  1. +2
                    11 August 2019 18: 59
                    Beavers are much more beautiful! Although this is a view from the side !!!
                    1. +1
                      11 August 2019 20: 26
                      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                      Beavers are much more beautiful!

                      Nah ... It’s according to the mutt, Prince Bobrinsky ... Or he was a count, I don’t remember exactly ... Yes, they all went, satraps ... laughing
                      1. +2
                        11 August 2019 20: 31
                        You know better!!!
                      2. +1
                        11 August 2019 20: 37
                        And why do I know better? recourse I, obtus, only stepped out of the stick into the museum. I remember: I am lying on the sofa, such a beautiful one, but a blackboard is knocking on my door, and says let's go to the museum!
                      3. +2
                        11 August 2019 21: 09
                        I'm a little about that! Names should be determined by local residents, not an uncle from the outside.
                        I throw two associations! In the third grade, then with a friend, today, with a sworn foe, they rushed to the local museum! Opens the watchman. You are a trifle pot-bellied!
                        To the museum!
                        What for?
                        Interesting!
                        Grandfather scratched the treuh, well, mark the boots and come in! I still remember the models of the plant, dam, mechanisms. Grandfather gave to touch everything with his own hands, twist, hold. Apparently he was bored. Poorly poorly tried to tell about the history of the city, but flourished when he began to tell how they trampled a dam, burned coal, cooked steel, poured forms ....
                        on the way back, I was imbued with the "spirit of metal" entered the camp 250, where they rolled a corner. Fortunately, no one had thought to enclose plants from children. And for a long time he looked like a red blank flying over a hundred meters on the rollers turned into a purple corner! The sight is bewitching ....!
                        The second association! For twenty years now, we have been protecting the right to call our rivers and mountains by their names, which have not been lowered from the top by the tomponims! For example, on all maps there is Nizhneserginskaya mountain, and we call it Sholum! Its two peaks are Cones, and the third is Kukan. A similar situation with the Tig River, with the filing of the area just as they did not try to rename it. And Atig and Sandy! But the locals stoically paint over the letter A! Leaving the Tig.
                        Regards, Vlad!
                      4. +1
                        11 August 2019 21: 16
                        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                        Opens the watchman. You are a trifle pot-bellied!
                        To the museum!
                        What for?
                        Interesting!
                        Grandfather scratched the treuh, well, mark the boots and come in!

                        And we have a fuck there. We wondered about the orders and stars of the hero of the USSR. They said that they did not raise the Star of the Hero, because how to whistle it can
                      5. 0
                        11 August 2019 21: 26
                        It’s sad, although the museum about which I spoke alas no longer exists! It was the property of the factory, bought a factory - bought a museum! They say the exhibits were taken to Revda! The museum building, one of the oldest in the city "factory manager" is slowly being destroyed! The building of the Old Plant Management was demolished, made parking! Hmm ......
                        Although what I am talking about, today they graded Frunze Street, tomorrow they will start digging it: “they are changing heating pipes”! Song!
                      6. 0
                        12 August 2019 11: 36
                        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                        Names should be determined by local residents, not an uncle from the outside.

                        How is it? Then the city should be governed by residents, and soldiers in the army. Do you participate in house management?

                        And, I understand, now democracy, every cook can and so on.
                      7. 0
                        12 August 2019 17: 10
                        Red Baron, many "participation" unfortunately I am directly prohibited by federal law !!!
                        Maybe that's right - out of politics! But hmm, it's easier for me to do than whine !!!
                        The last issue I deal with is the repair of a cracked floor slab in an apartment building! Ahead of the dawn to meet you are able to solve such problems .....!
                      8. +1
                        12 August 2019 17: 17
                        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                        The last issue I deal with is repairing a cracked floor slab in an apartment building!

                        Heh, like a friend mopped a ceiling with a mop, and they made repairs to her ... laughing
                      9. +1
                        12 August 2019 17: 25
                        uh, I hope not all plates break from this. we have a neighbor whose head is sick, to which all neighbors interfere with life, jumping and throwing weights on the floor. I don’t want any broken plates in the 17-story building.
                      10. +2
                        12 August 2019 17: 28
                        Quote: Red_Baron
                        uh, I hope not all plates break from this.

                        Nah .. But for the repairs she made money out ...
                      11. 0
                        12 August 2019 17: 22
                        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                        Maybe that's right - out of politics! But hmm, it's easier for me to do than whine !!!
                        The last issue I deal with is the repair of a cracked floor slab in an apartment building! Ahead of the dawn to meet you are able to solve such problems .....!

                        and whine and do not. The fact that you are active is my respect. But then all the more you should know what the division of labor, subordination, management, its levels and so on is. Everyone should do their own thing at their own level.
                      12. +2
                        12 August 2019 17: 39
                        Sorry for the cynicism of “You worked as a colonel?”
                        Alas, I will not wait when the floor slab collapses on my mother or her neighbors! I will not whine and crush the authorities that must and must! I just order I-beams and channel and beams. In the autumn I will unload the load on the slab by redoing the roof structure. In the spring I will fasten five channels through the load-bearing walls on each side. With the jacks I will raise the stove. I shove I-beams, I will lower a plate. And from above I will fasten it with channels. By May of next year, we’ll handle it. "Instances" plan to do a project only in May !!!
                      13. 0
                        12 August 2019 21: 29
                        Well, who can’t order, doesn’t know whether or not another mother has a son. They just die?
                        A guide to action should be either for everyone or someone will definitely be left overboard. And you know why, therefore, I don’t want to give anyone overboard.
                      14. +1
                        13 August 2019 04: 43
                        We ask for favors in the court with its subordination, house management and other levers of power having ...
                        I am ready to feed a homeless cat, but I’ll think twice about something for a person. For example, without shying away I will help the blind cross the road, I can out of three cars with rubble, dump one on the road in a lap, but before giving alms I will think twice.
                      15. +1
                        13 August 2019 12: 30
                        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                        We ask for favors in the court with its subordination, house management and other levers of power having ...

                        And where do those in power? :) If you consider the power of every small official and pass them by, then nothing will work for sure.
                        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                        but before giving alms I will think twice.

                        And I always give alms whenever possible. If people ask, it means they need to, and if someone deceives, well, let it be on his conscience.
  4. +5
    11 August 2019 06: 47
    This is a tool. View from above. There are no decorative excesses on it anymore.

    Is. wink From visiting the museum, the gun on the trunk of which the soldiers signed in Russian was remembered.


    Also German missiles V-1 and V-2.
  5. +2
    11 August 2019 07: 56
    But the masters somehow had to, with the generally equal characteristics of the tools, steal their goods.
  6. +5
    11 August 2019 07: 56
    Thanks for the clear images of "hand grenade launchers" with stop arcs! (I had to see them before, but somehow, in a "fuzzy" form ...) As for the "multi-barreled" guns (and even bicaliber ones ...), this is not "fantasy", not "a little crazy delirium master-gunner ", but the practical implementation of the following idea:" large-caliber "and, often, a longer barrel fired" in the main "... for example, during the siege of a fortress; and the "small-caliber short-barrels" (the area of ​​the "main" barrel) were in the "reserve" and were charged "on occasion" with buckshot ... ... But “what I didn’t know, I didn’t know that,” it’s about a foreign gun with a horizontal “profile” of the barrel! Now I do not understand the giggling of the Prussians over the captured "secret" howitzers of Shuvalov! request Themselves like that! It is also known about "our answer" to the "damned west": square (in the sense of cross-section ...) barrels for firing baked bricks! fellow (Although... what , now it seems to me that "square" trunks have met me in "not our" museums ... in the pictures! feel And what about "our" gun with a "prismatic" barrel, which was loaded with 3 cannonballs at once "on a plank"! ...

    And here is the "brick" weapon!

    Shuvalov's "secret" howitzer!

    As you can see, Russian cannon masters were also not bastard! Our museums have something to measure with "abroad"!
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    2. +4
      11 August 2019 12: 48
      The forerunner of the Shuvalov Unicorn depicted in the photo above, our craftsmen developed a twin-barrel cannon!

      True, the army rolled away from the mass production of this gun, preferring a gun with an oval bore, a spherical (later flat) charging chamber and a barrel of small elongation! The famous Unicorns have served in the Russian army for at least 100 years!
      Regards, Kote!
      1. +1
        11 August 2019 14: 44
        As a clarification: this 2-barreled "art. Installation" was then called "twins", which, however, does not change the essence ... Shuvalov "put his hands" on the appearance of "secret" howitzers ... The famous unicorns are also sometimes called ( were called) Shuvalov, but officers Danilov and Martynov "realized" them. Shuvalov unicorns began to be called both "Shuvalov" and "unicorns" because the tools were decorated with elements of Shuvalov's coat of arms - the image of a unicorn. In fairness, it should be said that Shuvalov contributed to the adoption of unicorns into the arsenal of the Russian army (hence the image of the Shuvalov unicorn on a gun ... an original type of art weapon. (A kind of howitzer cannon or howitzer cannon ...) .. Unicorns, due to their original qualities, "constructive" features, are worthy of writing a separate article about them!
  7. +2
    11 August 2019 08: 15
    this museum is magnificent hi
  8. +5
    11 August 2019 08: 49
    Thanks for the article, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    Interested in the original solution for reinforcing the cut of the trunk on the Rhodes mortar. Obviously not a decoration. I wonder what for?
  9. +3
    11 August 2019 09: 44
    In Corfu, on the old fortress, there are guns with performance characteristics on the plates - this is not a museum of course, but it is interesting to compare English, Russian, Turkish, French guns and mortars.
    In general, any weapon and armor in castles, museums in the world is very interesting to consider, because the most beautiful and rare samples are collected. The topic is simply inexhaustible.
    The ancient gatlings in the photo are good
  10. +3
    11 August 2019 09: 54
    no one calls for help from stellar aliens and immigrants from Hyperborea

    Now a new trend is the existence of an "antediluvian" civilization. By the way, videos infected with this fad and about old weapons are filming, of course, complete nonsense.
  11. +5
    11 August 2019 11: 56
    Quote from AUL
    our museum in Paris will not yield!

    They can not be compared! Theirs is the Army Museum. Ours is the Museum of Artillery.
  12. +5
    11 August 2019 11: 58
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    As you can see, the Russian masters of cannon business were not sewn too!

    And who says that "shita". But it is better to write about our museum in St. Petersburg ... to St. Petersburg citizens!
    1. +4
      11 August 2019 12: 56
      A month ago they visited him with N. Mikhailov, however, the purpose of the visit was not artillery.
      1. +3
        11 August 2019 13: 55
        И7
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        A month ago they visited him with N. Mikhailov, however, the purpose of the visit was not artillery.

        AND? What was the matter ?????
        1. +2
          11 August 2019 15: 10
          Quote: kalibr
          И7
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          A month ago they visited him with N. Mikhailov, however, the purpose of the visit was not artillery.

          AND? What was the matter ?????


          Hmm ...? You know how to make friends from Vyacheslav Olegovich! Why so harsh? And in relation to two people who always and everywhere support you! Neither photographs of Nikolai Mikhailov adorn your “maxim ballad”! Did not Anton Bazhenov intercede for your work on the villages of VO when you were on a voyage to Europe! Yes, it’s corny why, for example, you don’t require an “article” from me, if only because I have more opportunity to write them? And then on and laid out! You are wrong Vyacheslav Olegovich ...... it is impossible so ...... !!!
          Regards, Vlad!
          1. +4
            11 August 2019 15: 35
            I am terribly sorry, Vlad, but this claim to V.O. "past the cash register"! Absolutely!
          2. +3
            11 August 2019 15: 39
            Meanwhile, I, in turn, will ask you, where is the promised material about "gamayuns and picnics" promised a year ago?
            1. +2
              11 August 2019 15: 48
              On the first - perhaps I didn’t get it!
              On the second - there is such a thing!
              1. +4
                11 August 2019 16: 28
                According to the first, Nikolai has an extensive correspondence with various comrades, which he notifies me in a timely manner (good company, join in!)
                In the second, where? (Using Shpakovsky’s style and tone, and your answer to him).
        2. +3
          11 August 2019 15: 12
          For Nikolai. His theme, his idea, his photo. I only pointed out the little things that make sense to shoot, because "the devil is in the little things." But he appreciated my participation.
  13. +5
    11 August 2019 12: 01
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Obviously not a decoration. I wonder what for?

    I don’t know at 100%, but it seems to me that these are holes for attaching the wagons to unscrew it.
    1. +4
      11 August 2019 12: 20
      But it is very much even possible! If the "breech" is detachable. By the way, I didn't notice similar holes on it right away.
      1. +2
        11 August 2019 22: 02
        These are indeed lever sockets.

        This is the famous Dardanelles Gun - Dardanelles gun. Cast in bronze in 1464 by Munir Ali. Weight 16,8 tons, caliber 630 mm. The gun consists of two parts - the barrel and the charging chamber. For make-up, slots for levers on the barrel and chamber are provided. Rate of fire - 15 shots per day.
        Now located at Royal Armouries at Fort Nelson in Hepshire.
    2. +3
      11 August 2019 21: 54
      You are 100% right, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
  14. +5
    11 August 2019 12: 01
    Quote: Tlauicol
    In general, any weapon and armor in castles, museums in the world is very interesting to consider, because the most beautiful and rare samples are collected. The topic is simply inexhaustible.

    To be continued...
  15. +4
    11 August 2019 12: 19
    The guns of the Russian army captured by the French, alas, are there too.
    1. +6
      11 August 2019 13: 52
      And their guns, captured by us, are inside the Kremlin ... So we are even!
      1. +3
        11 August 2019 15: 01

        Do not stand! A folded "woodpile"!
        Regards, Kote!
        1. +3
          11 August 2019 15: 32
          For some reason Vereshchagin with his "Apotheosis of War" introduced himself.
          1. +4
            11 August 2019 15: 58
            Sergei! Look at the comment by Sergey "bubalik" under Skomorokhov's article about German helmets yesterday. This is the apotheosis of war.
        2. +3
          11 August 2019 18: 18
          Damn, guys, this is just metal, behind which are the thousands of human lives that created him and killed him. In the name of what and why?
  16. +3
    11 August 2019 13: 54
    Quote from AUL
    definitely go to the Artillery Museum

    I, too, but have not been to St. Petersburg for a long time ...
    1. +2
      11 August 2019 15: 16
      Damn, Vyacheslav Olegovich, take and eat!
      1. +2
        11 August 2019 16: 21
        Anton, well, you know my "customs" very well. We do not travel separately, which means that my wife and granddaughter will go besides me. And this is a voyage. This is money, and a lot. And what to choose? Europe with a vacation at sea or St. Petersburg, where we have all been several times.
        1. +2
          11 August 2019 16: 59
          I know. And yet, I recommend, mid-October, the very thing for visiting St. Petersburg
          1. +1
            11 August 2019 17: 35
            I agree! Earlier, when I published books in St. Petersburg, I went to you both in the winter, and in October, and in the spring ... How to work ... For several years in a row and at LETI for the PR students ’Olympiad.
    2. +3
      11 August 2019 17: 26
      And I have not been to Kirzhach, Saratov and Barcelona for a long time ...
      1. +4
        11 August 2019 17: 32
        This time, Anton, I did not go to Barcelona either. He could, but ... preferred to swim in the sea and go to Girona. And I have no regrets ... Girona was worth it. Saratov ... I somehow lived there for almost a month and then came several times ... more than Penza ... but all the advantages in my opinion ended there. The park there is very beautiful. This one, yes! Even the Volga was not impressed. Swam there, but ... next to the beach dump. Somewhere there is even a photo of this pig. The museum has knightly armor ... remake ...
        1. +3
          11 August 2019 17: 48
          Well, FIG knows where you swam in Saratov! There are several places: Zaton, city beach and Engels beach. I used everything. City beach on the island - taxis! Worse than Costa Bravo, but better than Rhodes.
        2. +3
          11 August 2019 18: 00
          Victory Park on Falcon Mountain is really impressive. The local history museum is interesting for its archaeological exposition. The satellite city of Engels is Pokrovskaya Sloboda, praised by the work of L. Kassil.
  17. +2
    11 August 2019 16: 27
    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
    Hmm ...? You know how to make friends from Vyacheslav Olegovich! Why so harsh? And in relation to two people who always and everywhere support you!

    Do not understand what I did wrong? And why am I doing this from them enemies ... Both write, both of them are interested. I offered them what they are interested in and capable of. And it’s not abrupt, it’s short. What can be offense for them here? I do not understand. Do you want to write about this yourself? I didn’t know ... I can’t remember everyone who is from St. Petersburg. Write, am I against it.
    1. +2
      11 August 2019 17: 21
      Nothing wrong, Vyacheslav Olegovich! Simply, Vlad doesn’t cut a somewhat situational chip.
      1. +3
        11 August 2019 17: 32
        There is one! Vyacheslav Olegovich sorry ...!
        1. +3
          11 August 2019 18: 03
          Yes, all right, dear Vladislav, what are we talking about ?!
          1. +1
            11 August 2019 18: 54
            The point is that the framework of the forum has become somewhat cramped. I understand you, I understand Vlad, but to combine these two concepts is beyond my power.
  18. +2
    11 August 2019 18: 05
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    City beach on the island - taxis!

    That's where I was and found ... an excellent garbage dump. "Show your film photo documents? I have them!" (Search for a long time!)
    1. +2
      11 August 2019 18: 34
      I do not need to present, I am somewhat familiar with Saratov and the dynamics of the city. Just name the year.
  19. +1
    11 August 2019 18: 15
    Thanks to atreleria, France at one time became the most powerful state in Europe, it had already forgotten which king it was, but it was temporary when Borgia began to intrigue.
    1. +4
      11 August 2019 18: 57
      Quote: marshes
      Thanks to atreleria, France at one time became the most powerful state in Europe, it had already forgotten which king it was, but it was temporary when Borgia began to intrigue.

      Francis I.
      Although the zenith of the French smooth-bore artillery falls on the era of Napoleon. But in general, he owes this to the last French monarchs, or rather their generals from artillery! The famous motto "The last argument of the kings" is just French !!!
      1. +2
        11 August 2019 20: 20
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Although the zenith of the French smooth-bore artillery falls on the era of Napoleon. But in general, he owes this to the last French monarchs, or rather their generals from artillery!

        My favorite film is The Last of the Mohicans, where the siege of the fort is taking place and the use of artillery, including mortars, is quite interesting.
        1. +3
          11 August 2019 20: 30
          In this film, the esteemed Swamp describes the era of the King of the Sun (Louis 14). The French at that time had the strongest siege artillery! By the way, the inscription "The last argument of the kings" appeared just at that time and with that king of France!
          1. +1
            11 August 2019 20: 33
            In principle, I am aware of US history, just in case laughing
            1. +3
              11 August 2019 20: 42
              Answered your comment without a second thought! Although the film itself simplifies the system of supplying trenches with the notorious mortars! According to the French fortification science, headed by Vaban, the mortars had to shoot from trenches of two meters deep, or because of ravelivins of a similar height! Although digging by all the rules in America? This is not far from the Turks !!!! laughing
              Maybe everything was shown and it was like in the movie! Regards, Vladislav!
  20. +3
    11 August 2019 18: 33
    Great museum! Great exposure! Respect to the author!
  21. +3
    11 August 2019 21: 46
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! hi Hello! From photos just a complete delight!
    In the sequel, I would very much like about the handgun and, if possible, more detailed.

    Regards, Cat.
  22. +3
    11 August 2019 21: 53
    Curious! But in museums, it’s often not the most popular, but rather the most exotic and fun decisions. Apparently, therefore, such a number of all sorts of multi-barrel and square trunks.
  23. 0
    11 August 2019 21: 58
    Quote: Sea Cat
    In the sequel, I would very much like about the handgun and, if possible, more detailed.

    Regards, Cat.

    With manual problems. Everything is under glass. Glass glare. You can’t shoot with a flash, it’s also almost impossible without a flash. So the story with the photo will be only about those rooms where it was possible to shoot.
    1. +2
      11 August 2019 22: 36
      Saved in the museum on glass. Several years ago I was in a "village" according to German concepts, city museum in German Braunschweig, Lower Saxony, because all the showcases are made of special glass. I shot without a flash - as if there was no glass at all. And the alarm - do not approach the wall with pictures closer than 60 cm. The alarm is immediately triggered.

      I was very pleased.
  24. +5
    11 August 2019 22: 27
    Making huge granite kernels for mortars is a rather long and, probably, expensive business.

    Near the fortress on the island of Rhodes, these artifacts lie in the parks. Somewhere 150-180 centimeters in diameter.

    What do you think they are for? This strong spherical iron cage is filled with stones. To bring ready-made cells and fill them with local stones is quite easy and cheap. At the turn of the time, when artillery began to replace catapults, such shells were used with trebuchet. It was easier and cheaper. But ... the walls of solid stone were probably better destroyed by granite kernels, but these artifacts, I think, by their mass on the roofs of what was inside the fortress, worked very destructively.

    The fortress looks quite intact.

    1. +1
      12 August 2019 08: 31
      Being on Rhodes, I saw similar things several times, but did not attach importance. thanks for the info
    2. 0
      14 August 2019 14: 20
      Very interesting. The first time I see this! Thank!
  25. +1
    12 August 2019 01: 33
    I welcome Vecheslav, I forgot about the priest, I apologize. But on a new topic, quite interesting, the combat marches of different armies will be interesting, although there you need to use the tube.
    Audio File, plus video is a 3D representation.
    My favorite march and with flutes is the British.
    And the Yankees changed a couple of notes.
  26. +1
    12 August 2019 01: 50
    Vecheslav Olegovich, it seems that you are covering everyone, why not look at the neighbors.
    Here are the Mari, I haven’t seen anything on the site at all. Although Yeshkin the cat, there are Yeshka and Baba Yaga from the folklore, have common roots.
    It is generally interesting here the Scots and the Irish use the Bagpipe, and Fino of the Ugric peoples has it.
  27. 0
    12 August 2019 07: 29
    Quote: marshes
    light all

    I'm not good at music ...
  28. +1
    12 August 2019 11: 57
    And it seems to me that this is not overkill.
    1 - the ebb of a gun is not so simple. Some in importance were as now a division of artillery systems. Not, if possible, of course. And why, having created a genius to the master, I think that I have not greatly exaggerated the creation did not decorate it, as a monument to his mastery.
    2 - the war only the last century has become more .... utilitarian ... or something. Prior to this, a war is physically already a war of armies, but morally still in many respects are soldiers and heroes.

    Still remember the ironic words
    "Where is my military uniform?
    - Please, Your Highness, please!
    - What about ?? Me - in this? Single-breasted? What are you? Do you know that no one is fighting in a single-breasted one now? "
    In memory of other words that we have absolutely nothing to fight.
    How could the main weapon be ignored and not appreciated? Do not give the appearance of appropriate significance.
    ps I understand that some moments without indicating centuries are quite controversial, but I think no one will find fault with this.
  29. 0
    12 August 2019 22: 10
    Brussels is still a good museum ....
  30. +1
    13 August 2019 06: 23
    Quote: Red_Baron
    war only the last century has become more .... utilitarian ... or something. Prior to this, a war is already physically a war of armies, but morally still in many respects warriors and heroes.

    The truth has spoken by your mouth!
  31. 0
    3 October 2019 23: 15
    Interesting. Thanks to the author for the article and the photo.

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