Chernobyl Bribes, vodka, smoking reactor

Cinema. I deliberately put off a review of the odious series Chernobyl. Indeed, since the time has passed since the premiere, it has only become clearer that this propaganda creation is capable of existing in an artificially created conjuncture. Only in it, in the stream of laudatory speeches of the liberals, who, in the best traditions of Goebbels, a thousand times repeated the lie that became true, the series "Chernobyl" in general can become something worthy of attention. But the further we move away from the fashionable Chernobyl theme, the more the flow of accusations against Russia increases, the more often activists scratch the helmets of the riot police, and the next Internet garbage dump publishes an “investigation” about our native Mordor, the duller the halo of “glory” of the Chernobyl painting ".




Cinematic "cranberries" can be different. There is an elegant "cranberry", gently and even lovingly infused with cognac. Such a “sticky” response from the screen in the voice of Sean Connery: “Holodrig”, or the roar of “iron Arnie”: “Cocainum”. This "cranberry" is obtained if in the director's chair a patented American like Walter Hill, for whom Russia (USSR, Russian Empire) is an alluring exotic. And, to be honest, we even like such a berry: we willingly parse it into quotes, making fun of the close-sighted Yankees.

But there is another “cranberry”, which the creators insist on a home-grown farmer's moonshine, from the smell of which even the hair in the nose straightens. Such products require the hands of true villagers, burned in farm perversions and preferably suffering from all migrant complexes of the third grade, unable to realize themselves in their native land. And there were a lot of such people after the collapse of the USSR. So, Dora Khomyak, a native of Kremenchug, became the main consultant of the Chernobyl series. And it doesn’t matter that due to age and education, the Hamster could not know anything about the Chernobyl events. The main thing is that she was an ideologically faithful villager who knew a lot about farm sivuha. They also say that principled Madame Aleksievich, who “licked” iron Felix to a state of sugar candy, in Soviet times, also contributed to the recipe for this fierce first-person.

Chernobyl Bribes, vodka, smoking reactor

They were shown the "truth"


Great anti-Soviet show


The mini-series, which specific film critics, without having time to watch the last series, instantly dubbed “ingenious,” was filmed by Hollywood artisans of a very average hand. The director was the Swede Johan Renk, for the time being added to the filming of series and numerous clips of mastodons of foreign pop music Beyoncé and Madonna. The screenwriter was the king of “farting” jokes of the whole series “Very scary movie” Craig Mazin, who was precisely “inspired” by the collaborative hallucinations of the Hamster Road.

And the last fact should not be surprised, because Ukrainian migrants in the heat of the next round of Russophobia quickly found a warm place in Hollywood. For example, one of such migrant descendants with the scent of collaboration by the name of George Mendeliuk in the 2017 year managed for his hack about the “Holodomor” “Harvest of the Devil” to shake the whole 20 million dollars out of pin-up movie companies. The picture failed, but the sediment remained.

It makes no sense to talk about the historicity of the Chernobyl series, because from the stage of creation to the stage of installation of the finished product, everything was subject to classical propaganda according to the canons of Dr. Goebbels. The series, in fact, is a collection of wild anti-Soviet gossip from the category “away from the watchful eye of KGC”, stitched by allegedly secret revelations of Professor Legasov, who actually took an active part in the liquidation of the Chernobyl accident. And already at this level, the picture begins to desperately slip. After all, no matter how agitated frenzy our "sworn friends" would fight, the plot of a work of art must possess internal logic and be whole. However, there are more holes in it than in a colander.


"Drive the chervonets." “But I have a fifty dollars.” - “But I have a change!”


For example, in the picture, a decent timing is reserved for an anonymous party worker, who was remembered by the viewer with an enchanting speech demanding to “cut off telephone lines” of Pripyat. The old man “black angel” hovers on the screen, causing strained horror to the participants of the show. But this does not move the plot. Moreover, having rolled onto the screen such a powerful in its caricature image of a “communist” with rustling tiles, the authors immediately leaked it. Crazy grandfather will no longer please the viewer with the salute of his hallucinations.

The universe of the totalitarian “scoop”, born in the inflamed imagination of the scriptwriter and his consultants, is also flowing openly. So, in a super-guarded hospital with dying liquidators, in which KG is sitting in each ward under each bed and replacing infected urine with fresh and safe in breaks between denunciations, you can go for a small fraction. Anyone who wants to seize the moment of the omnipotence of the omnipotent totalitarian system by putting the chervonets to the doctor can make a real voyage in the wards. And, of course, everybody drinks vodka around the clock and makes brawls.


First vodka, and then a fight ... Or vice versa?


And again: packaging is our everything


Many near-political film critics, eager to fall into the rapids of fashion trends, were flooded with the praise of the painstaking work of production artists who selected the surroundings of the film and put it in a kind of facade of the series. In fact, the facade masking the current pipes in the house was built in detail. In search of artifacts of a more developed civilization, the Chernobyl team traveled all the scales of modern limitrophs - Ukraine and Lithuania, where, incidentally, the shooting took place.

And here lies one of the scams cleverly tested by the creators of the series. Such a thoroughly licked work on the facade is by no means a meticulous reconstruction of everyday life and the atmosphere of thirty years ago, but a manipulation of the picture. Over the course of thirty years, neither the infrastructure, nor the buildings, nor the artifacts obtained by the film team have been repaired or modernized. Poor life, crumbling apartments, roads that dissolve underfoot, dilapidated doors and cracked plaster - these are wholly and completely evidence of the degradation of the post-Soviet Limitrophs.


No tea, only vodka


We are not looking at the USSR at the end of the 80's, but at Ukraine and Lithuania in the first quarter of the 21 century. Moreover, part of the shootings took place at the Lithuanian Ignalina NPP, which not only has not been modernized, but has been actively and completely legitimately sawn into metal since the 2010 year! By the way, now the Lithuanians have started a small business on the fans of the series - they carry Western tourists to the rapidly falling apart ruins of the Union.

And all this elegantly fell on the roughly used tools of the director as an artist from the cinema. Previously, screenwriters and directors had been sophisticated in revealing the characters of the antagonists, putting together a mosaic of depression from the absurdity of what was happening, the ineffectiveness of the resistance to harsh reality and the escalation of suspense, during which light and sound were only small strokes in the big picture, because to paint a picture with the human emotions of the actors is a true work of art .

But the average man made a big leap from the 90's in terms of a drop in taste and educational level. Therefore, modern authors, having discarded thin brushes, arm themselves with a roller and a thick layer smear hopeless dull grayness across the screen, letting through even the treacherous sun ray treacherously framed into the frame, turning it into the breath of the GULAG. The deliberate grayness, multiplied by carefully collected Soviet junk, which was last cleaned in the 1987 year, gave a breathtaking effect, affecting the fragile and uneducated brains of the inhabitants, especially its minor part, which was admired by the "accuracy of Soviet life."


A simple member of the USSR Academy of Sciences is with you on the wire. Our tiles cracked, the ceiling fell off and the reactor smokes


Oddly enough, but, apparently, the general atmosphere in the team of the series was truly “their own”. The composer also appeared to be similar to artists and cameramen, who periodically jammed on the minor key of the synthesizer, while the grayness of Mordor poured out onto the viewer.

The actors did not go too far. No, the author does not at all consider Stellan Skarsgård with his “silver bear”, Emily Watson, the nominee for the American gold candy, and Jared Harris as bad actors. But embedded in the all-consuming gray reality of “Soviet hell”, pulsating with horror, hysteria and idiocy with each of its shots, the acting team made me angry and grimacing personally to heartburn. Seeing close-up the face of the next master, cramped or concreted with “shock,” in the sickening greenish-gray filter of the camera is not for the faint of heart.

But all this in no way will stop the army of fans, tamed by a critical mass of "independent" crowds of great film critics like Venediktov and his rational brother Anton Dolin.

Propaganda, you say?


But why do the ears of Western propaganda seem to us everywhere? Okay, let’s leave the artistic “virtues” alone. And let's move on to sad reality. Firstly, any cinematic process is a commercial enterprise. Only in the universe of free artists, where the wolves are full, and the sheep are not only whole, but also happy, no one intervenes in the art process, but simply works as an ATM. Thus, in reality, the sale of a product is bound to be profitable. For example, the series "Game of Thrones" of the HBO channel (the same channel that produced Chernobyl), the last episode of which was released in May of this year, is still virtually non-existent on the network - only for money. But Chernobyl, released in June, was uploaded to the World Wide Web almost instantly. Even now, to watch the "Game" for free, you will spend half an hour time, but for the "Chernobyl" long searches will not be needed.


No propaganda noooo ...


Secondly, the rating of the Chernobyl series jumped sharply on all Internet portals not only coincided with the wave of admiring the new masterpiece raised by pro-Western resources, but also quickly left behind a dozen cult TV series, overgrown with a true army of fans: from the designated “Games” to “ A real detective "and" Breaking Bad. "

Thirdly, at the start of Chernobyl production, the HBO channel was acquired by AT&T. In parallel, no less interesting events took place with the scandalous and almost bankrupt company Westinghouse Electric, which recently contributed to the introduction of some amendments to the administrative division of the territory of Japan related to the Fukushima nuclear power plant. Brookfield Infrastructure suddenly bought Westinghouse Electric. And, of course, by pure coincidence, the aforementioned AT&T announced a strategic alliance with Brookfield Infrastructure. And, of course, in view of the striking coincidence of disinterested activists and independent experts, the gray-green shots of Chernobyl pop up on posters and materials on the network at the mention of Rosatom (a monopolist in the nuclear market), and the near-by philistine grabs his heart.
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  1. Mikhail Drabkin 11 August 2019 05: 37 New
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    This is an anti-Soviet, Russophobian series in the traditions of the Cold War.

    False in detail, bias of images.

    The true image of selflessness, heroism and courage of subordinates .... such an accident could be stopped only in the USSR. Criticism of the channels of power that denied the severity of the accident, were afraid of decisions, shifting responsibility, and saving careers is justified.

    Sorry, sorry for the dead and sick. Sorry for the country. The Chernobyl accident is a metaphor for the destruction of the USSR by incompetence and betrayal of power, seeking the approval of the West.
    1. Andrey Shmelev 11 August 2019 11: 09 New
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      The Chernobyl accident is a metaphor for the destruction of the USSR by incompetence and betrayal of power


      I don’t like everything, I agree, “vodka and the KGB” are clearly superfluous. Naked miners are also superfluous. And their desire to beat the minister was slightly moved forward 3 years: from 1989 to 1986. And so on. etc. But, are you seriously sure that without such details as “vodka and the KGB” this film would have been missed “in their West”? In general, for a Western film about the USSR - the maximum possible objectivity.

      I do not say that the film is wonderful. And I’m not going to. But ... name the good films about Chernobyl shot in Russia.

      The series with his wife watched three times. We completely agree that the authors of the film completely agree with you:
      "The Chernobyl accident is a metaphor for the destruction of the USSR by incompetence and betrayal of power."
      So they made the film exactly how this metaphor is. What is the problem?

      Answer them with a deed: shoot the talented and objective TV series "Fukushima"



      this idea is not the first year, by the way: gash the game, but rather, a whole series
      1. g1v2 11 August 2019 11: 32 New
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        The problem is that this is a purely propaganda craft. Moreover, the blow in it does not go to the deceased USSR, as it is thought to be praising it. Propaganda is aimed at modern Russia in the first place. To rejoice at the weapons that beat you and admire them - in my opinion, terry masochism.
        1. Andrey Shmelev 11 August 2019 11: 44 New
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          And I'm not happy.

          But I’m not Kaptsov, who writes like "all German military equipment is rubbish, because it served Hitler." On the contrary, I object to him that the Me-262, Sturmgever, Panzershrek, etc. etc. - a breakthrough, it is very unfortunate that many types of German technology were not then in the USSR

          The meaning of what I wrote: the series was made very talented, you can’t argue with this, it will be great if domestic films are made with such talent, and they will be more objective

          But so far we have nothing comparable, and this is very bad
          1. Digital error 12 August 2019 21: 44 New
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            Quote: Andrei Shmelev
            they will be more objective

            Will not. Because the film will be financed by liberals with the goal of making a commercially successful product.
            And in a commercially successful Russian product there should be a bang-patriotism and a “strawberry”.
            1. Andrey Shmelev 12 August 2019 22: 09 New
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              And in a commercially successful Russian product there should be a bang-patriotism and a “strawberry”.


              most likely that the majority of domestic film makers are so selected that they won’t pull a good film

              the author of the film, with the exception of rare geniuses, projects himself in his characters
              neither hero nor character is enough for the heroes

              they will not be able, how much do not give them money / do not threaten camps
          2. Digital error 12 August 2019 22: 07 New
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            Quote: Andrei Shmelev
            we have nothing comparable, and this is very bad

            Yes, but not in the form of a video. You can read the notes of Academician Legasov, and for balance - memoirs of ordinary liquidators of the accident, Soviet (Russian) statistics on the incidence and pollution of territories, the history of the adoption of certain decisions, the declassified archives of the KGB of the Ukrainian SSR for the 1986 year.
            Yes, it’s long and boring - but you’ll find out the truth.
            1. Andrey Shmelev 12 August 2019 22: 14 New
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              Yes it's long and boring


              small personal example:
              I had a chance to work a bit at factory number 92, in the cabinet allocated to me I posted a photo of Grabin, even if only one recognized him

              Are you talking about Legasov's tapes ... eh
              1. Digital error 12 August 2019 22: 18 New
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                Quote: Andrei Shmelev
                Are you talking about Legasov's tapes

                That is life. If anything, the records are available on the Internet in textual form. "Military Review" - a set-off for exposing another "Chernukha", albeit beautifully shot. By the way, of the three "divers" who walked in total darkness under the reactor waist-deep in radioactive water - two are still alive, and the third died at the age of 65 years - in full accordance with the new retirement age hi
                1. Andrey Shmelev 12 August 2019 22: 35 New
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                  If anything - records are available on the Internet in textual form


                  read, thanks;) very surprised that the "whistleblowers" did not read
      2. Catfish 11 August 2019 22: 25 New
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        I can not imagine this game in Japanese, without a Russian mat, it will not work. wink drinks
      3. 210ox 13 August 2019 09: 09 New
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        I watched it once, it’s a good emetic. Disgust is not a film. And yes, tell me at least ONE good film. Not about the Chernobyl shot in our country. And the film is not about metamorphosis. Then the situation at the station was completely different.
        1. Andrey Shmelev 14 August 2019 20: 23 New
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          good emetic


          but write me the conditions of implementation and regulatory actions of personnel for RBMK-1000 for each item:

          OCR 31-45
          OCR 26-30
          OCR 16-25
          OCR 15
          AZ-1
          AZ-2

          and yet, don’t tell me when exactly the AZ-5 is pressed with reference to the governing documents

          here we will discuss objectivity;)
  2. Comrade 11 August 2019 05: 44 New
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    modern authors, having discarded their thin brushes, arm themselves with a roller and with a bold layer smear hopeless dull grayness across the screen, letting through even the treacherous sun ray treacherously framed into the frame, turning it into the breath of the GULAG. The deliberate grayness, multiplied by carefully collected Soviet junk, which was last cleaned in the 1987 year, gave a breathtaking effect, affecting the fragile and uneducated brains of the inhabitants, especially its minor part, which was admired by the "accuracy of Soviet life."

    Now, when to me, who was born and raised in the Soviet Union, thirty-year-old boys authoritatively tell me how terribly they lived in the “scoop”, what poverty was all around and wretchedness, elderly people then vividly come to mind, before whose eyes the “remodelers” smeared feces 1930 years.
    And when people, whose youth fell in the second half of the 1930's, said that in reality everything was different, to me, due to stupidity and youth I had seen the “Repentance” and read the “Lights”, their words seemed an exaggeration.
    And decades passed, and I myself was in their place. Young people tell tales in my face that they don’t believe when I say that this is nonsense.
    In fact, professional fighters against “totalitarianism” with their propaganda have been consciously trying for decades to break the link between generations.
    Having realized what is happening, my wife and I contrast these liberal-democratic efforts with sincere conversations with children about the great past of our Motherland, about its cultural and technical heritage, and it works.
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    2. Digital error 12 August 2019 22: 23 New
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      Quote: Comrade
      professional fighters against "totalitarianism" have been consciously trying for decades to break the link between generations with their propaganda

      Now one cannot disrespect “fighters” - they are offended, you can get a fine. I shake my hand and wish you long healthy years hi
    3. dali 16 August 2019 11: 56 New
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      Quote: Comrade
      Now, when I, who was born and raised in the Soviet Union, thirty-year-old boys authoritatively tell me how terribly lived in the “scoop”, what poverty was around and wretchedness
      On the site there is one city unknown from under the nickname Mestny, broadcasts that supposedly there were a lot of hard workers in the USSR, especially in the village they did not know anything but vodka, quilted jackets, tarpaulin boots ... and ate only potatoes and gray pasta and ate pickles, and meat only on big holidays ...
  3. rotmistr60 11 August 2019 05: 57 New
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    Great anti-Soviet show
    The author is right. Neither add nor add. Somehow they showed interviews with participants in those tragic events that this film was shown to. An unambiguous opinion - an outright lie giving away by anti-Soviet, a direct humiliation of the honor and dignity of the liquidators.
    1. 777-3-59-97 11 August 2019 11: 44 New
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      And in what way they humiliate the honor and dignity of the liquidators in the series. Tell me. Very interesting.
      1. Albert1988 13 August 2019 15: 40 New
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        And in what way they humiliate the honor and dignity of the liquidators in the series. Tell me. Very interesting.

        And you watch the series, and then compare it with the actions of real liquidators! Fortunately, everything is well-planned and the interview is on YouTube. Someone was shown a coward and a fool. someone ram and a coward, Dyatlova, an ambiguous personality, generally smeared so that it becomes embarrassing! Legasov, who very rigidly defended the need for certain decisions, including those before the powers that be, was portrayed as a frightened naive, etc. The Tula miners were shown openly by a gang of gopots from the Old Harlem type ghetto (well, they draw as they can), and the Donetsk miners were not shown at all — they were not, or else “democratically natsya” would be offended ... Well, of course, everyone was just shown to everyone drunks guzzling vodaru directly from the throat in a workplace, a post, before a shift, etc.
        And there it is, very often ...
  4. Amateur 11 August 2019 05: 57 New
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    This anti-Soviet / anti-Russian lubok has long passed. For a couple of weeks, people were admiring / indignant. And already everyone forgot about him. But what the author wants to tell us with his article, for example, I did not understand.
    Or
    The mini-series, which specific film critics, not having time to watch the last series, instantly dubbed "brilliant",
    do you need a little bit of advertising and excitement to talk about a forgotten "movie" again?
    1. Krasnoyarsk 11 August 2019 11: 09 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      do you need a little bit of advertising and excitement to talk about a forgotten "movie" again?

      I suppose you are right. Criticism should be on time, not after some time. I didn’t watch the film, so I can’t fully judge this article, although there is a belief that the author is right in his assessments. This conviction is based on watching Western films about the USSR. They are all the same and, I believe, Chernobyl is no exception. The only thing that the author did not have enough for the final defeat of the film was knowledge about the work of the liquidators of the consequences of the accident, about their life, food, payment for their work and many other "little things" that contradict what is shown in the film.
      1. depressant 11 August 2019 12: 31 New
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        I explain.
        The author wants to say that the State Department does not sleep, but carefully, tirelessly and persistently works to destroy the unity of our society. Only a few of the older generation left for permanent residence abroad. There are few who curse the USSR with conviction. The bulk of the elders is a powerful adhesion of present-day Russia, its glue, which creates an idea among young people that they are the heirs of a great country, they have reason to be proud of themselves, and therefore the achievements of the new Russia.
        But then, in order to destroy the current Russia, in the eyes of young generations it is necessary to destroy the idea of ​​the greatness of the Soviet people, which means the obligatory blood relationship with them, forming the tradition of devotion to the country. Young, you are not heirs! Because to be the heir of this - that which we show you - is humiliating.
        The gap with the positive essence of the past with the simultaneous protrusion of its negative sides, often invented, generally reduces the self-esteem of the living young generations and becomes one of the factors of their radicalization. Indeed, who can be happy that his father, for example, is a murderer, a rapist, and even a drunkard and a rowdy in addition?
        For this purpose, false films are introduced into Western films about the Union, which at first glance seem to be insignificant, it seems that they should not affect the general idea of ​​people of that time, but at the subconscious level they can reduce it to negative. Incorrectly uttered an inappropriate word, a vulgar gesture that was not expected, fleeting tactlessness, and you already lose confidence in the person whom you have always trusted. Perhaps it will even cause you a persistent disgust ...
        Some of the contemporary Russian films accomplish the same task as Hollywood.
        1. Krasnoyarsk 11 August 2019 14: 13 New
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          Quote: depressant
          I explain.

          Excuse me, are you this to me?
          If to me, then so many words were wasted in vain. I knew all this even before I came to the VO website.
          1. depressant 11 August 2019 16: 49 New
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            No, this is not for you, Krasnoyarsk :-))
            This is a dilettante. It's just that I always try to modestly attach myself at the end of a finished branch. It turned out unsuccessfully. Excuse me. He did not understand what the author wanted to say with his article. Sorry again.
            1. Krasnoyarsk 11 August 2019 16: 55 New
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              Quote: depressant
              No, this is not for you, Krasnoyarsk :-))

              Lyudmila Yakovlevna, forgive me and you for my harshness. love
              1. depressant 11 August 2019 18: 23 New
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                Nothing, there are always misunderstandings on the forum love
  5. Lipchanin 11 August 2019 05: 58 New
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    Yeah. I imagine a howl that would have been raised in the West if we had removed even the smallest bit of it about the tragedy at Fukushima
    Do not feed these "crap" honey, but give them the opportunity to dance on their bones and shit on their graves.
    Nasty and sickening
    1. Rwmos 11 August 2019 06: 50 New
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      Incidentally, for comedies in bulk. About one Fitzgerald, rammed a container ship, you can shoot a funky comedy. and without exaggeration. Sassanaya command center with tape sealed with radar, a senior officer on the bridge, putting a bolt on everything and doing fuss with left papers, a watch officer who quarreled with the previous sheep and therefore decided not to report that a container ship was hiding on them, or rather, they his course has gone ... The very fact that the navigator is already 2 of the year the navigator is SIMPLY NOT floating in a pack of Belomor ... The fact is that when after an accident the officer was tested on the BASIS of navigation. all failed - no one did very well, the average score is 59% ... That is, downs from the street ... And that's all - it's true
      https://warhead.su/2019/01/15/plavuchiy-fakap-pochemu-esminets-fitsdzherald-stolknulsya-s-konteynerovozom
      Take the camera - and take pictures, all by the facts, you don’t need to exaggerate anything, as in this daub. about which article. And the comedy will be - to urge!
      So I easily draw a dozen more. For example, about Vogtl NPP, which is built by 400 of stoned downs (again, a fact, the commission revealed exactly that during a sudden inspection at a construction site). Or about a research institute in the USA, where for the sake of a selfie Hiroshima didn’t arrange for a small one. Move your hand and that’s it.
      1. The Siberian barber 11 August 2019 10: 42 New
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        Ministry of Culture does not allocate such money
    2. Alex_You 11 August 2019 07: 00 New
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      Alas, hands from one place to remove something like that, we only know about third-rate serials about cops and bandits.
      1. Lipchanin 11 August 2019 07: 34 New
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        Alas, hands from one place to take something like that,

        Like them?
        You must respect yourself.
        1. Zoomlion 12 August 2019 18: 22 New
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          The enemy must be beaten with his own weapon. What’s respect here? If they don’t respect us, then why should we respect them?
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  6. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 05: 58 New
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    Good series. Honest and correct. The atmosphere of the late USSR is shown perfectly, the dirt and dullness of the Soviet system is shown even better.
    1. bistrov. 11 August 2019 06: 40 New
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      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      dirt and dullness of the Soviet system

      Yeah, "dumber" today is unlikely to be found in history.
      1. Mordvin 3 11 August 2019 07: 23 New
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        Quote: bistrov.
        Yeah, "dumber" today is unlikely to be found in history.

        It just seems so. Today, at one end of the world, Bush choked on a bagel, while at the other they are already discussing what dad gave him in the eye. The cost of information flow.
    2. svp67 11 August 2019 07: 16 New
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      Quote: Zeev Zeev
      Honest and correct. The atmosphere of the late USSR is shown perfectly, the dirt and dullness of the Soviet system is shown even better.

      Well, yes, yes, it’s more visible from Israel. Speak honest. But how many machine gunners did we have in the streets, as they showed in it? And at the expense of the atmosphere, I don’t know where and how you breathed, I had the honor to communicate with the atomic scientists, they all “eliminated” something somewhere. They did not drive them to this with the help of machine guns. They did what they loved, to which they dedicated their lives. And they knew very well what awaited them. But the fact of the matter is that high professionalism helped them to carry out tasks with minimal harm to themselves. So, they were all there, at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, and they do not call this series anything but “chernukha”. And I believe them.
      1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 07: 27 New
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        Soviet reality was even more chernukha than shown. By the way, where is the show where gunmen on the streets are shown? Looks like I missed this moment, although I watched the series twice (once for myself, the second with my father-in-law, translating for him from Hebrew). And for that matter, it’s just the liquidators (nuclear scientists, workers, firefighters, military, the same miners) who are shown from the most positive side, like people who are ready to risk their lives and health in order to save others.
        1. svp67 11 August 2019 07: 31 New
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          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          By the way, where is the show where gunmen on the streets are shown?

          Oh ... Have you watched it at all?
          Quote: Zeev Zeev
          And for that matter, it’s just the liquidators (nuclear scientists, workers, firefighters, military, the same miners) who are shown from the most positive side, like people who are ready to risk their lives and health in order to save others.

          Yeah, always drunk, around vodka, even in the academician’s office on the table, not a decanter of water, but a bottle ...
          1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 07: 41 New
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            And what other means did the liquidators have for the withdrawal of radionuclides, except for vodka? Red wine, as doctors recommend? So "dry law", "the fight against alcoholism", red wine figs you will find.
            And if somewhere there were still machine gunners in the streets, besides the scene with the miners, please recall.
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              And what other means did the liquidators have for the withdrawal of radionuclides, except for vodka? Red wine, as doctors recommend? So "dry law", "the fight against alcoholism", red wine figs you will find.

              Sorry, but it was just that he was brought there, and indeed in large quantities. Even a joke on this topic was that when checking a blood test in a medical institution, this blood (I forgot the brand) did not detect BLOOD. And from strong, not vodka, but they used moonshine. You understand the dry law, was ...
              1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 08: 23 New
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                Prohibition was outside the Zone. All my acquaintances, the liquidators (all three), just mention that there was at least vodka pouring in, although they were only allowed to drink after the shift. And wine was just a shortage, although it could be obtained by pull.
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                  All my acquaintances, the liquidators (all three), just mention that there was at least vodka pouring in, although they were only allowed to drink after the shift. And wine was just a shortage, although it could be obtained by pull.

                  Well, well, here everyone believes in his own.
              2. hohol95 11 August 2019 22: 28 New
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                Vermouth!

                In your vermouth .... and so on.
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                  Vermouth!

                  Honestly, I don’t remember. I remember that the muck was still that, and it seems from Moldova. Although deliveries could be from different parts of the USSR
            2. Mordvin 3 11 August 2019 12: 02 New
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              you will find red wine figs.

              Before the fig and there was more. I remember how baht at the enterprise at that time each employee was given 8 bottles of wine for the New Year holidays. I stole a syringe slowly.
        2. Pilat2009 11 August 2019 08: 38 New
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          By the way, where is the show where gunmen on the streets are shown?

          There was a story there when an engineer was driven into the reactor to see, under a convoy of a machine gunner.
          In general, despite the abundance of inconsistencies and cliches, the series hooked.
          Still in this thread I recommend the series "Moths"
          1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 08: 54 New
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            Not under guard, but accompanied by a soldier of the internal troops from the station’s security. I don’t remember something, so that that engineer would be poked in the back with a barrel.
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              so that engineer would be poked in the back with a barrel.

              Well, so unobtrusively escorted and even stood at the door on the roof
              1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 12: 27 New
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                Hm. In place of the head of security, I would single out a couple of fighters and a full set of chemical protection for escort.
                1. Pilat2009 11 August 2019 13: 54 New
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                  In place of the chief of security, I would single out a couple of fighters for escort

                  Why not to run away? So in history he himself went to see the scale of destruction and the state of the reactor
                  1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 14: 20 New
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                    To help him go through the destroyed premises and pull out in case of injury.
                    1. Pilat2009 11 August 2019 16: 50 New
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                      To help him go through the destroyed premises and pull out in case of injury

                      He went in the first minutes after the explosion, when there were no explosives at the station. There was a VOKhR at the entrance. And chemical protection kits were also not only respirators and clothes of the operators. Even there were no dosimeters for large doses (one was faulty, the other failed)
                      1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 18: 01 New
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                        How, really at the station there were no dosimeters for large doses? How is it in the series such a fact is missed? Although no, they did not miss it at all. And very well shown. And the lack of chemical protection at the station showed. And even a woman from VOHR, who was sitting at a substation and caught a lethal dose, was mentioned. Sorry forgot her name.
            2. svp67 12 August 2019 05: 03 New
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              Not under guard, but accompanied by a soldier of the internal troops from the station’s security.

              Something I did not see much joy on the face of that engineer, for that soldier the face of the Terminator. Well, and now the most important thing, and why did you need a soldier there, and even in a PSH uniform, which absorbs dust like a sponge, in that case radioactive, although they were perfectly prepared for such an emergency and equipped with protective equipment. What did he guard there and why did he go with this engineer? In fact, it turns out that he escorted him
              1. Zeev Zeev 12 August 2019 06: 16 New
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                Well, I would also not be very happy to go through the emergency nuclear power plant to the reactor.
                1. svp67 12 August 2019 06: 27 New
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                  Well, I would also not be very happy to go through the emergency nuclear power plant to the reactor.

                  You know, I talked with people like that who have worked in the nuclear industry all their lives. These people perfectly understood what they were doing and what threats they were threatened with, but they didn’t when they didn’t evade work to eliminate various accidents at nuclear power plants, including the Chernobyl nuclear power plant.
                  So what, that, but they perfectly understood the responsibility that lay on their shoulders and in front of other people
                  1. Zeev Zeev 12 August 2019 07: 59 New
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                    These same people hid the technical problems of RBMK.
                    1. balunn 12 August 2019 10: 31 New
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                      Nobody hid the technical problems of RBMK. They simply did not attach much importance to this. At that time, no one could have imagined that the chain of events would lead to such a result. In other words, it could not have occurred to any of the engineers that in manual mode all reactor protection would be disabled.
                      1. Zeev Zeev 12 August 2019 10: 42 New
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                        I could be wrong, but it seems that such a possibility was considered in the report on the accident at the Leningrad NPP. Moreover, unlike the film, it was not a secret at all
                      2. balunn 12 August 2019 11: 06 New
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                        You can’t even imagine how much time should pass from the moment of publication of the report until the moment of making changes to the design documentation and replacement of equipment at nuclear power plants. A year is a minimum.
                        Fukushima also opened her eyes to many things.
                      3. Zeev Zeev 12 August 2019 11: 57 New
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                        But ten years passed and did not pay any attention to the report. Moreover, it was not even distributed among the chief engineers and directors of other nuclear power plants with reactors of this type. Which quite expectedly led to disaster.
                        And do not compare Chernobyl with Fukushima. There was no 9.6 earthquake and tsunami in Chernobyl.
                2. svp67 12 August 2019 11: 10 New
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                  These same people hid the technical problems of RBMK.

                  No one really hid it, they simply did not assume that circumstances could turn out like this, that everything would be against. These same reactors were the first-born. Look, the Angles, that’s how their “assemblies” were, in the first reactors they pushed with punches, moreover, they threw them into the sump manually, and sometimes with a shovel, if they fell in the wrong direction ... and nothing. And our RBKM, in comparison with them, were better
                  1. Zeev Zeev 12 August 2019 12: 02 New
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                    The accident at the fourth unit was the THIRD accident with rupture of channels on reactors of this type. And the reactor was not the first; RBMK was launched in 1973.
                  2. balunn 12 August 2019 15: 59 New
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                    And before RBMK there were reactors of type I, EGP, AMB .... RBMK is a logical continuation of uranium-graphite reactors. The accident did not occur due to rupture of channels, but a combination of factors that led to disaster. The chief engineers and managers of the nuclear power plant cannot make design changes without coordination with the developers of the reactor installation.
                  3. Zeev Zeev 12 August 2019 16: 01 New
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                    Changes cannot be entered. But they can know the conditions under which the probability of an accident is high. And prevent them.
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                    Changes cannot be entered. But they can know the conditions under which the probability of an accident is high. And prevent them.

                    For mother’s nuclear physicists on vacation, I’ll leave this link:
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC9Cr8l7AsA&t=1s
                    Listen to a competent person - a direct participant in the events and a good friend of Academician Legasov ...
              2. Albert1988 13 August 2019 15: 57 New
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                The accident at the fourth unit was the THIRD accident with rupture of channels on reactors of this type.

                Not the third, but the second - the first, after which it was the very "end effect" (though exclusively as a local phenomenon) that was revealed - was at the Leningrad NPP, after which at the initiative of Tom Petrovich Nikolaev, the chief engineer of the NPP, at Leningrad NPP and KNPP, an additional protection system was put into operation. activated by the button АЗ5 - additional shortened boron rods entering the active zone from below, thereby blocking the "end effect". What is important - such a system was also introduced at the first and second Chernobyl NPP units, only the 3rd and 4th were left without it ...
              3. Zeev Zeev 13 August 2019 16: 11 New
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                So after all, when the AZ5 was pressed, an explosion occurred.
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                So after all, when the AZ5 was pressed, an explosion occurred.

                And first you listen to Academician Asmolov, what he says - what happened there and from what, but to show his ignorance is your business, but those around you will "make fun of you" (tm)
                I threw the link above ...
              5. Zeev Zeev 13 August 2019 16: 13 New
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                I advise you to read the report for the IAEA.
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                I advise you to read the report for the IAEA.

                And first you look at the interview with Asmolov, he sets out the same thing. only briefly and clearly, for amateurs even understandable.

                So I advise you - FIRST, listen to Asmolov’s interview, and then for such serious documents as the report before the IAEA, take it - then there will be more understanding ...
      2. Constructor68 14 August 2019 09: 52 New
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        For a Jew, the whole point boils down to poking at the problems of the USSR and the Russian Federation. If the same problems (or God forbid worse) occur with partners, then this is "well, it happens, then it’s the technique to break" ...
  • Pilat2009 12 August 2019 16: 19 New
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    Well, I would also not be very happy to go through the emergency nuclear power plant to the reactor.

    So everyone was not happy there but walked. By the way, during the earthquake in Armenia, the staff just ran away and had to deliver specialists from other stations by plane
  • Albert1988 13 August 2019 15: 49 New
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    Soviet reality was even more chernukha than shown.

    "To whom do you soar your brains, Kazyulsky! You are not at Privoz!" (Tm)
    Here to whom, to whom are you really rubbing it now? No. 0 year old? so we all had parents living in the USSR, and all that life and "reality" they know and remember well what happened and how. What was bad and what was good. So leave your "fairy tales" to Ukrainian emigrants to America in the 5th generation - they will not choke, well, and maybe, on your immigrant "mound" discuss "how terrible it was in the USSR" - amuse emigrant complexes ...
    1. Zeev Zeev 13 August 2019 16: 03 New
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      And I myself lived in the USSR.
      1. Albert1988 13 August 2019 16: 09 New
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        And I myself lived in the USSR.

        My father lived in the USSR, my mother lived in the USSR, my grandmothers and grandfathers lived in the USSR (and grandfathers on the part of my father and his cousin remembered the 33rd and 37th years well), my many uncles who emigrated around the world lived in the USSR ... And most of them have no romantic illusions about the Soviet system, especially its late period. And the nonsense that you are broadcasting here does not match the word at all, with the fact that so many people say that they are neither convinced communists nor just admirers of Sophia Vlasovna.
        Therefore, I give you advice - stop talking nonsense, or go to a more suitable place, for example, to the censor - the local guys will listen to you hanging their ears and opening their mouths ...
        1. Zeev Zeev 13 August 2019 16: 12 New
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          What exactly does not match?
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            What exactly does not match?

            ALL...
            1. Zeev Zeev 13 August 2019 16: 26 New
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              That is, the USSR was an ideal country with personal freedom, bright courtyards, comfortable apartments, tasty food and comfortable beautiful clothes. There was no shortage, hatred, xenophobia, crime ... Everything was fine, and it collapsed exclusively at the direction of the State Department. I advise you to ask parents one question. What color were their sandals in kindergarten.
              1. Albert1988 13 August 2019 17: 07 New
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                That is, the USSR was an ideal country with personal freedom, bright courtyards, comfortable apartments, tasty food and comfortable beautiful clothes. There was no shortage, hatred, xenophobia, crime ... Everything was fine, and it collapsed exclusively at the direction of the State Department. I advise you to ask parents one question. What color were their sandals in kindergarten.

                Dear, you wrote nonsense then that now.
                Life in the USSR was, to put it mildly, not rich, but stable. Yes - there was that notorious deficit, but it wasn’t always there - scarce times began in the second half-end of the 70s, when the stagnation of the Soviet system due to stagnation in the leadership had already begun to show itself seriously. Clothing in the USSR was not what modern Yudashkins and co, yes, it was "all the same", there were moments of frank "horror" - especially women's underwear)))) But, nevertheless. the main problem was not quality but accessibility (again at a certain period) and low diversity.
                As for the food - yes, the food was delicious. If only because the cheese was cheese from milk, and not a cheese product from something unknown, the same baby food was made in strict accordance with the norms and recommendations of the Institute of Baby Food, and again it is not clear from what with a cloud of preservatives. like now ...
                Yes, there was not enough meat, because they did not buy black Angus in Canada, yes, there were no 50 varieties of sausage ...
                I know all this. And, relatively speaking, what color were the sandals in my mother’s kindergarten, I have an idea.
                Nevertheless, there were no bad roads in the USSR — they appeared in large numbers only in the eighties. The yards were clean and tidy, all had attractions for children, which, incidentally, had successfully survived right up to the late nineties, the benefit was metal)))) In the USSR there was no notorious murmur in the yards, because all people with the corresponding inclinations knew that in which case they will fly in and will be shook for 15 days or even more, and parents will have problems and will then pour even more. In general, the crime rate in the USSR was orders of magnitude lower than now.
                Regarding "xenophobia" - yes, there was the same "Brezhnev" anti-Semitism - I still see its consequences, this, in fact, is the main reason that some "emigrants" are so contaminated by the mere mention of the "damn scoop." But at the same time, in the USSR, Armenians lived nearby. Azerbaijanis. Jews, Russians, and a bunch of other nationalities and all respected each other and were in the warmest relations, often in kinship ...

                So, although I did not live in the USSR, I have an idea of ​​the life there.

                By the way, the bureaucracy and rudeness of officials of the Soviet era have successfully survived and are feeling good under capitalism hi
                1. Zeev Zeev 13 August 2019 18: 08 New
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                  Oh neighing wassat
                  Starting from the "normal" roads (I immediately remembered the joke about the potholes), continuing with meat (on the shelves of the store there was most often a "soup set", tails, hooves, pork heads and a "blue bird" with a scallop, and normal meat only happened before the holidays or in the bazaar), clean yards and cozy (asphalt paths in our yard were laid two years after construction, and without a curb and in a couple of months, the paths not only cracked due to poor quality of asphalt, but they also broke off along the edge, and the Soviet sandbox with an iron slide where the paint and got off after the first rain and the wheels dug into the ground are generally a fairy tale).
                  Youth crime is also a separate issue with miscreants, bicycle chains, fights “yard to yard”, “district to district”, “fighting against boys”. Port “three axes” and grandmother’s moonshine with a guitar on a bench or in a kindergarten, hugging behind garages, a police children's room (if there wasn’t anything, it was drugs to Afghanistan and homeless people).
                  And the crime rate was really "less." Because "not in a patsansky style" because of a broken nose or a cut in the cops go, and the district policeman did not record half the crimes, so as not to spoil the statistics. And no one opened a case for Bulbash, Khokhla, Khach, Zhid. By the way, I repeat, because of my appearance, no one considered me a Jew, I was a "Georgian" for everyone (and my Belarus friend was a "gypsy"), so I won’t be able to push him to "Brezhnev’s anti-Semitism".
                  Well, about the “delicious Soviet food” with milk diluted at the factory (the cream and kefir were also valid), sweets on candy fat (God forbid to know its composition), unbaked bread, oak Poshekhonsky cheese (which was different from the “Dutch” not taste, but the lack of holes) I better not say anything.
                  And this is not the 1980s, it was the whole of the USSR.
                2. Albert1988 13 August 2019 19: 02 New
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                  And this is not the 1980s, it was the whole of the USSR.

                  Then why, you, dear, are you describing the 80s to me? Maybe from the fact that besides the 80s they didn’t see anything “USSR-ovsky”? wink
                  Although why am I surprised that I am described here as an "alternative" USSR, even if some people now live in "alternative" Russia for me?
                  I won’t comment on everything. I’ll tell you about crime - crime was lower precisely in relation to serious crimes - murders, robberies, etc. Even taking into account the Khrushchev’s amnesty!
                  In general, you remind me of such funny American freaks who, living in some kind of "ghetto-for-color" type neighborhood, are making life in the United States, measuring the whole country with the standards of their "native slums."

                  But in essence the topic of the article - the problem is that the “life in the USSR” shown in the series has nothing to do with the realities of that time and is a collection of very old Western cliches about “KG” and the like. And the problem is not that it is propaganda, the problem is that they think this way, they live in such a paradigm of perception, because if you show that a catastrophe of such proportions was really not predictable, that the "fault of the system" is not in malicious intent , and in the banal headache and wear and tear of the system itself, that if you show that if you show that the system coped with such a catastrophe unrealistically quickly, mitigating the consequences as much as possible, then the Western audience will experience such cognitive dissonance that they simply cannot perceive what they saw ... They don’t understand there that it is about Russians and, especially, about the USSR ...

                  What really warps the series is this. that the series itself is writhing a serious mine and constantly discusses the "price of lies", etc., that is, it claims to be true. At the same time, its creators on the blue eye say that there is fiction in the series. In my opinion, this is an amazingly illustrative illustration of the total schizophrenic "postmodern" way of thinking ...
  • Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 08: 12 New
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    By the way, I remembered when I saw machine gunners in the USSR on the streets. In our district, in 1987, a child was brutally murdered (the second in a year, as it turned out later), and the soldiers of the local garrison were combing the nearby forest with machine guns.
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      and the soldiers of the local garrison were combing the nearby forest with machine guns.

      Judging by the logic of this series, you would have to see how these soldiers would automatically drive civilians from the locals ahead of themselves, and behind these machine gunners would be people in the form of the KGB ..
      1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 08: 48 New
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        I'm not talking about the logic of the series, but about Soviet reality.
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          I'm not talking about the logic of the series, but about Soviet reality.

          So, according to the logic of the series, it should be just that. And now he called his classmate back; he spent six months in that “zone” as the commander of the liquidation unit. and so he once again confirmed that it was tight with vodka, basically they themselves cooked something or found in the villages, he even had a couple of cases when his "partisans" received poisoning from such "finds".
          1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 09: 57 New
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            So, sappers, firefighters and supplies were better supplied (these are my familiar liquidators).
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              So, sappers, firefighters and supplies were better supplied (these are my familiar liquidators).

              Well, what about atomic scientists? Nuclear industry professionals?
              Yes, and on the account of the series, here are a few frames from this film in 10 minutes. Count how many soldiers there got into him, I specially allocated them






              And when I saw this frame,

              remembered that it reminded me: "Seventeen moments of spring." It was exactly like that and around every corner, according to the essayist. HBO even here could not come up with their own ... mediocrity
              And this is generally ...

              What about this? Episode in a helicopter. Two GBshniki in uniform, so much so that the academician is threatened that they will throw him out of the helicopter if he does not begin to give "evidence"
              And do you think that was just the way it was?
              1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 10: 21 New
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                I find it strange that there is no weapon at the NPP guard during an emergency. The same fans should stand with pouches in the field uniform and with machine guns. And Shcherbina’s sense of humor does not surprise me at all.
                1. svp67 11 August 2019 10: 23 New
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                  I find it strange that there is no weapon at the NPP guard during an emergency.

                  And they had it. Only the BB battalion guarded the station PER and access to it. But not every corner was her fighter, much less in a conference room. They just wouldn’t have enough people
                  1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 10: 32 New
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                    The perimeter is good, but do not need to guard the entrance, headquarters and control room?
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                    Quote: Zeev Zeev
                    The perimeter is good, but do not need to guard the entrance, headquarters and control room?

                    It’s not so easy to get there and internal security posts, they are different.
                    Quote: Zeev Zeev
                    I don’t remember something, so that that engineer would be poked in the back with a barrel.

                    How do you rate this?

                    And shots filled with concrete of coffins, and even with relatives? What is this for?
                    Well, there are stories of the same relatives who did not fill the coffins with concrete ...
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                    How do you rate this?

                    The pilot on the fighter amused.
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                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    The pilot on the fighter amused.

                    What about facial expression?
                  5. Cat man null 11 August 2019 10: 48 New
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                    What about facial expression?

                    Facial expression may vary. And the cap is worn specifically for a wonderful request

                    PS: robot, "guardian of morality" - specifically zadolbal. "Author-> Author-> Author" laughing
              2. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 12: 22 New
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                The scene with the Minister of Coal Industry is self-interposed to heighten the drama. What Craig Mazin admitted the day after the release of the series. And just here the cool Soviet machos are shown, who do not care about the angry shouts of the authorities, but do not care about the lives of other people. By the way, in a couple of years, it was the miners who launched the first mass strikes in the USSR.
                About concrete and relatives. We remember that this is a feature film, not a documentary? By the way, vandalism at the graves of the liquidators, when they shot photos from the monuments, is also not shown in the film
              3. Waddimm 11 August 2019 12: 54 New
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                About concrete and relatives. We remember that this is a feature film

                Oh, so fiction explains everything? Well then, this is a masterpiece !!! And all the other fictions bring down on artistry! A ride!
                Verdict: an article from HBO has little to do with what it really was, because it is a feature film with a very creative approach by the authors! It is clearly of a propagandistic nature and is based on stamps thirty years ago!
              4. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 13: 07 New
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                Graves poured with concrete? Poured. Coffins were closed? Closed. Did the authorities lie? And how. And everything else is also true. For some reason, all claims are fixated on three or four scenes.
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                On your
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                And everything else is also true.

                I allow myself to quote the author of the article: "The series, in fact, is a collection of wild anti-Soviet gossip ...", and how much "everything is right" can only be commented on by the liquidators themselves, and not personally from the series of "my acquaintances".
              6. svp67 11 August 2019 17: 41 New
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                Quote: Zeev Zeev
                Graves poured with concrete? Poured.

                Yes, flooded. By making a pad. And they did it without the cynicism that is shown in the film. So the monument was erected? Erected. Of concrete? Concrete
                Quote: Zeev Zeev
                Coffins were closed? Closed.

                Yes, just like the people who died during the "Sverdlovsk tragedy"
                Quote: Zeev Zeev
                For some reason, all claims are fixated on three or four scenes.

                Claims to the atmosphere of the film and to the many little things that are only escalating.
                Why do not they make films about their accidents at the same nuclear facilities. Why are there no films about the death of their nuclear submarines, are they dearer and closer to them?
              7. Pilat2009 12 August 2019 22: 45 New
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                Why do not they make films about their accidents at the same nuclear facilities.

                "Chinese Syndrome" movie
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                "Chinese Syndrome" movie

                Chinese syndrome ... laughing
                And why do not they remove the Fukushima syndrome ... belay
                Or is it not politically correct ?! belay
      2. Amateur 11 August 2019 12: 55 New
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        The scene with the Minister of Coal Industry is self-interposed to heighten the drama.

        This scene was inserted to reinforce cretinism.
        In 1985 to 1991, Minister of Coal Industry of the USSR Mikhail Ivanovich Shchadov.
        He began his career at the age of 15. After graduating from a technical school, he received distribution to the mine and was appointed mechanic of the mine site, from May 1949 the head of the site, then deputy chief mechanic of the mine. After graduating from the Higher Engineering Courses, he was the chief engineer of mines, and since 1955, he was the head of mines. Manager of the Mamslyda Trust (1960-1963). Since 1966 he worked at the Vostsibugol plant as a deputy chief, then as the head of the plant, then as the general director of Vostsibugol Production Association. Deputy Minister (1977), First Deputy Minister (1981),

        Such people, having gone through all the stages of hard mining work, do not go to hard workers under the protection of machine gunners. But miners with unwashed hands and faces on the surface do not go.
        And another question to a colleague from Israel
        although I watched the series twice (once for myself, the second with my father-in-law, translating from Hebrew for him)

        The Russian version appeared almost immediately. It was not easier to show her.?
      3. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 13: 08 New
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        My TV is not connected to the Internet (only YouTube is), I myself watched on a computer, and father-in-law on a TV.
      4. Doctor 11 August 2019 15: 39 New
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        Such people, having gone through all the stages of hard mining work, do not go to hard workers under the protection of machine gunners.

        Moreover, he personally supervised the work of miners in Chernobyl. And then also in Armenia at the earthquake.
        http://www.ugolinfo.ru/Free/spec2007.pdf
    2. svp67 11 August 2019 17: 32 New
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      By the way, in a couple of years, it was the miners who launched the first mass strikes in the USSR.

      But do not remember what they demanded? Changes in power or salary payments?
    3. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 17: 46 New
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      On July 10, 1989, about 300 miners in Mezhdurechensk refused to go down to the mine and presented the administration with about 20 demands. The main ones were related to remuneration in the evening and at night, with the establishment of a single day off, the provision of mines and miners with detergents and food during work underground.
      And then there was this:
      The requirements of the inter-mine strike committee developed at the Vorgashorskaya mine for presentation to the government commission that arrived in Vorkuta. These requirements were read out at a rally of many thousands on July 21, 1989. [2]

      “REQUIREMENTS OF THE INTER-MINE DENTAL COMMITTEE COMMITTEE OF VORKUTA CITY MINERS”

      Cancel the elections to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR from public organizations.
      Cancel the article in the USSR Constitution on the leading and guiding role of the party.
      Direct and secret elections of the Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, chairmen of local Councils, and heads of city and district departments of the Ministry of the Interior on an alternative basis.
      To abolish the practice of depriving deputies of the word of deputies at sessions and congresses of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR by voting. Each deputy has the right to vote, regardless of the majority opinion. These issues are resolved at the second congress of people's deputies.
      To express distrust to Comrade Shchadov and Srebny as industry leaders who have failed to pursue an effective, balanced economic and social policy. To abolish the ongoing formalism and red tape in the work of the apparatus of the ministry.
      To invite People's Deputies of the USSR, Comrades Maximov and Lushnikov, to raise a question at the next session of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR about the work of the MUP of the USSR in ensuring an effective, balanced economic and social policy in the industry and about an immediate reduction of the apparatus of the ministry by 40%.
      We suggest that the Supreme Soviet of the USSR invite the economist Leontyev V.V. to the country to develop a specific economic model for the country to overcome the economic crisis.
      Provide full economic and legal independence to the mines.
      Eliminate the Vorkutaugol association.
      Pay for night and evening work in the amount of 40 and 20% of centralized funds.
      Set a common day off - Sunday.
      Return the size of the north and the coefficient that existed before March 1, 1960 (100% and 1,8), and extend them to all direct earnings.
      Make wages for the entire stay in the mine (mark "descent" and "exit").
      Reduce the retirement age for women working in the North, engaged in the processing and shipment of coal, to 45 years - with a total experience of 20 years, in harmful conditions - 10 years.
      Enter for women working on the technological complex of the surface, a 6-hour working day (shipping, processing and transportation).
      For miners of the Arctic to establish a retirement age of 45 years with an underground experience of 10 years.
      For young men and women living in the North for 5 years or more, upon admission to work to pay the northern allowances immediately and in full, and up to 5 years - differentiated by years.
      Transfer coal sales organizations to mines.
      We ask the Supreme Soviet of the USSR to enact a law requiring the Ministry of Railways to compensate enterprises 100% of the damage to the cost of production for short delivery of wagons and in excess of the state order (under the contract), the delivery should only be in working wagons.
      For workers working in the UVF on a sample of the breed, who have a vacation of 45 days, set 60 days.
      Set 70% of pensions of total earnings, but not less than 300 rubles (to miners).
      When calculating a pension, take any five years from the service at the request of the employee.
      The 25% currency received for export sales should be made available to the STK mine.
      To ask the Supreme Soviet of the USSR for an early resolution of the issue of the status of a people's deputy (before the second congress).
      Save the northern allowances for the calculation and transfer of workers and employees from one enterprise to another, as well as for any layoffs.
      Disciplinary charter to abolish and eliminate MPC (permanent TB commissions).
      When renting housing in Vorkuta, provide housing in other regions for 2 months free of charge.
      Pay northern allowances to non-working pensioners living in the North. The pension amount is adjusted annually as the cost of living changes.
      Ensure the supply of Vorkuta through Glavsevertorg.
      To provide winter season goods in sufficient quantity and assortment, especially for children.
      Cancel deductions of alimony from the northern allowances if the children live in the south.
      To resume the construction of ZKPD-2 to expedite the solution of housing problems in Vorkuta, the right to distribute construction materials to local Councils.
      At 20 years of underground experience, retirement without age restrictions.
      To accelerate the construction and commissioning by the 4th quarter of 1990 of the inter-mine dispensary in the village. Worgashore.
      Grant the right to distribute leave to plots.
      Repeal the current decree of the Council of Ministers on the relationship between wage growth and labor productivity.
      To solve the environmental problems of Vorkuta (thermal power plant, cement plant, poultry farm, etc.) by 1990-91.
      Set the duration of leave for miners - 60 days, and all other surface workers - 45. Provide holidays and calculate average earnings based on a 5-day working week.
      For residents of the Far North, once every three years, provide free travel on vacation, and every year - give days on the road at their own expense.
      Paying for tickets on the actual use of vehicles for travel on vacation.
      Payment by strikers on the basis of the calculation of the assigned tariff rates, salaries from centralized funds and adjust the production and penetration plan for the days of the strike.
      In case of any persecution of the participants of the strike by the administration, decisions shall be made in agreement with the strike committee.
      Revoke the privileges of the administration and party apparatus at all levels of our state.
      We ask the Chairman of the Supreme Council to answer the basic requirements of the miners of the Arctic on television
    4. svp67 11 August 2019 18: 01 New
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      On 10 of July, 1989 of the year, near the 300 miners of Mezhdurechensk refused to go down to the mine and presented the administration with about 20 requirements.
      And I understand that they were all rolled into concrete?
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    But do not remember what they demanded? Changes in power or salary payments?

    Soaps and footcloths for them, bad people, were not enough.
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    Soaps and footcloths for them, bad people, were not enough.

    "Northern allowances" they were then deprived ...
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    "Northern allowances" they were then deprived ...

    I don’t remember that. What year was that? And then they both in the 90 and 93 th helmets pounded on the asphalt, woodpeckers.
  • Albert1988 14 August 2019 00: 35 New
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    And Shcherbina’s sense of humor does not surprise me at all.

    What is the same sense of humor? Shcherbina is real and that. what was shown in the film - in general, two different people, the film is not even painted by a Soviet official, the stereotypical American cinema "evil stern bureaucrat of the muzzle brick" is painted.
    Hmm, a resident of the USSR was found ...
  • Bastinda 11 August 2019 07: 30 New
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    I didn’t see it; I’m in the series neither dirt nor stupidity. Cowards and careerists, bribe takers, are at all times.
    What I saw:
    - A great country that was able to evacuate the city in 36 hours. (is this possible now?)
    - The heroism of firefighters, in civil defense lessons at school, everyone studied the consequences of nuclear explosions, and roughly knew where they were going. (is this possible now?)
    - A clear liquidation of the accident, the necessary lead, boron, transport, and all this in a matter of days are supplied. (is this possible now?)
    - The heroic work of the liquidators, miners, accident liquidation managers. (is this possible now?)
    - Well, of course, not without the cranberries, the naked miners, vodka on occasion and without.

    I am sure that if Chernobyl happened now, with the current "effective" managers, the collapse of the country's civil defense, army, morality and conscience, the consequences would be an order of magnitude worse.
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      Quote: Bastinda

      - A great country that was able to evacuate the city in 36 hours. (is this possible now?)
      - Heroism of firefighters, in civil defense lessons at school,.

      A month ago, our warehouses exploded, so a city with a population of 55000 evacuated itself within 5-6 hours, the warriors and cops escaped. Respect for firefighters did not run away after the warriors and cops, but fought fires under flying shells if they hadn’t burned the floor of the city. People showed themselves from different directions: someone returned three or three times to the city under shells to transport people, while someone didn’t put anyone in a half-empty car. Who fed and distributed water, and who inflated the price of water 2-3 times. In general, in such stressful situations, both heroes and scum appear more convexly than in everyday life. At the expense of the film, you can long, tedious and petty inaccuracies and resent the film as the author wrote, or you can shoot your own strong film about Chernobyl, where there was the heroism of the liquidators and the domestic rubbish and scum from the authorities. It is enough to recall the demonstrations of people who were not informed about the disaster in Chernobyl.
      1. Evil echo 11 August 2019 09: 23 New
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        We have no one to shoot. Assign the same Fedor, such a shnyaga will succeed.
        1. Vadim237 11 August 2019 11: 36 New
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          This was already entrusted to Stalingrad - it turned out "They Fought for Katya" The Germans fought for a trip to Indian prostitutes.
      2. Mestny 11 August 2019 10: 32 New
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        Judging by the jargon - a furious fighter with cutting?
        As you know, "warriors and cops" are not needed.
        Quote: Semurg
        At the expense of the film, you can long, tedious and petty inaccuracies and resent the film as the author wrote, or you can shoot your own strong film about Chernobyl

        Well, try to take off about the "warehouses exploded."
        I am sure it will turn out the same flow, which is known in half with pus and saliva.
        You fighters do not work differently. That's why she is fighting, all means are good.
        1. Semurg 11 August 2019 11: 19 New
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          Judging by komenty, the flow of something in half with pus is a fierce defender of cutting tongue Fighters and cops should perform the service, and not run ahead of civilians during evacuation. They are like people under oath and in custody of civilians.
          1. Mestny 11 August 2019 11: 51 New
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            Did you see how they ran? Filmed a video?
            Or on the Internet told the same?
            1. Mordvin 3 11 August 2019 11: 55 New
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              Civilians were draping. Military and cops are unlikely.
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                He writes just about the "military and the cops." Applying contemptuous teenage jargon. But he saw nothing.
                Well, what other features are needed to complete the portrait?
                1. Mordvin 3 11 August 2019 12: 11 New
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                  Well, what other features are needed to complete the portrait?

                  I agree, the features are not very. By the way, somehow I tried to put the weather on the 1986 on the map in May, it did not work out. Our Roshydromettsentr weather at that time - like a cow tongue licked. I found on the import site that while in our Tula region it rained all May, Muscovites had a dry day.
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                  But he saw nothing.

                  And on the basis of what is such a conclusion? Oh yes psychic probably laughing
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                Civilians were draping. Military and cops are unlikely.

                Unfortunately, except for firefighters, everyone was draping. The funniest thing is as a couple of colonels who arrived in a jeep with claims, like who's sowing panic here? Roadside fell into dust when a rocket from a hail fell nearby and all the windows on the jeep burst. laughing And the first two days people survived thanks to other people and volunteers, and where were the Ministry of Emergencies and their NZ for such cases, one god knows.
                1. Mordvin 3 11 August 2019 13: 25 New
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                  Unfortunately, except for firefighters, everyone was draping.

                  Civil draped, fact. Military? I do not believe. No one really knows what radiation is. My teeth are falling out - is radiation to blame? A member is not like twenty years old - is that radiation too?
                  1. Semurg 11 August 2019 17: 51 New
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                    Believe, not believe it, as one person said, a purely personal decision. Radiation and its impact on human health today is a fairly well-studied area, including thanks to Chernobyl.
  • Lipchanin 11 August 2019 07: 35 New
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    the dirt and dullness of the Soviet system is shown even better.

    It seems that you have absorbed all this.
    And all the good things passed by and did not linger
    1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 07: 47 New
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      But what was so good in the USSR that it should have been delayed? Only real, and not from the film "Guest from the Future"?
      1. Lipchanin 11 August 2019 07: 54 New
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        But what was so good in the USSR that it should have been delayed?

        And everyone sees only what he wants to see.
        Clean the file system in the brain, delete garbage, that’s good and good will remain
        1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 08: 06 New
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          Well, tell me, the son of workers from a residential area of ​​a rather small (285 thousand people in 1989) industrial city in the BSSR, what could be so good there?
          1. Lipchanin 11 August 2019 08: 17 New
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            what so good could i see there?

            Kindergarten, school, Pioneer camp. Continue?
            Free education, free medicine. Continue?
            Yes, I see no use. The head is a solid negative and not a gram of positive.
            And to slander your homeland, this is the last thing and it seems to me that you are the most ordinary, banal troll
            The answer is one and he is the last
            1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 08: 43 New
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              Well, let's remember all this in order.
              A) Kindergarten - the cries of the nannies if you don’t sleep at Quiet Hour, yesterday’s pasta casserole, milk with froth, obligatory panty hoses (no pantyhose was taken to the kindergarten in the morning), shared toilet without toilets, smelling of bleach, semolina porridge with lumps (brrr ) ... Of the good - an amazing teacher, kind and caring.
              B) School - a fountain pen with eternal blots and breaking feathers (first or second grade), gym shoes, a satchel with hard leatherette straps, dried fruit compote, a primary school teacher with hatred in the eyes, and indeed the attitude of most teachers stupid person "to everyone in the class, slaps from that teacher, eternal fights at breaks, terrible uncomfortable shape, shift, walking in the gym on physical education classes in a shooting gallery (we had an underground shooting gallery in our school), a dusty football field with shreds of grass ... Again, a toilet without a toilet and toilet paper. Of the good ones - sausage in pastry and cocoa without foam, a music teacher, a math teacher, a school principal, strict but fair.
              Continue?
              1. Mestny 11 August 2019 10: 39 New
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                No, everything is clear. The sausage was not veal.
                You're just out of luck. You turned out badly, fed nekosherno, the Russian teacher looked with hating eyes at the poor Jewish boy.
                All your sausage claims have been known since the days of the USSR. But then you weren’t very let go. Now the thing is different - he left when he wanted. Well, it would seem - everything, I found myself a better place, leave me alone.
                So no, the gulf of mud continues.
                1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 10: 49 New
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                  The sausage was just delicious and the dough was baked. In the station cafe, the same sausage was worse.
                  By the way, the teacher (Belarus, if that) hated almost all the boys in the class, to see she had some kind of trauma in relations with the male sex. And the problem is not just anti-Semitism (because of my appearance, I was always mistaken for the “Georgian”, as all Caucasians were called then). The problem was with children.
                2. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 10: 55 New
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                  I don’t understand something. Do you live in the USSR?
                  1. Mestny 11 August 2019 11: 41 New
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                    In a sense, yes. Russia is the direct heir to the USSR. The lion's share of what we live in, where we get electricity, the roads we travel on - all from the USSR.
                    1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 12: 25 New
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                      Yeah. And autobahns in Germany from the Third Reich, Hitler began to build them in 1933. And what follows from this that the current Federal Republic of Germany is the successor of the Nazis?
                    2. Doctor 11 August 2019 16: 06 New
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                      And what follows from this that the current Federal Republic of Germany is the successor of the Nazis?

                      Of course. They all remember.

                      A friend moved to Germany for permanent residence. Two stories.

                      Bavaria, a banquet after a medical symposium, talk. Usually they are silent about the war, but then they started talking. A friend also said something about the Victory Parade.
                      There is deathly silence at the table right away, the young German opposite looks up from his plate and says: "We will never forgive you for throwing our banners on the ground at the mausoleum."

                      The bus, an arrogant Asian immigrant at the exit, repels an elderly German woman. She makes a remark to him.
                      He replied: "Be quiet, soon we will be here more than you."
                      She followed him: "There were many Jews too ..."
                    3. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 16: 15 New
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                      I really like to listen to stories, but quite rarely I believe in them. Since I communicate very closely with the Germans.
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                      I really like to listen to stories, but quite rarely I believe in them. Since I communicate very closely with the Germans.

                      Do you believe Vladimir Pozner? Review his film with Urgant, "German Puzzle."
                      A German will never tell you what he will say to another German.
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                      Of course of course
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        Continue?

        Ah ah, how unlucky you were in your youth. I only have positive memories from kindergarten. Yes, I have no complaints about the school, you know, they harden. The Russian teacher put me three, but now I write correctly, unlike the victims of the Unified State Exam. At work, one comrade wrote a statement with three errors. Yes, at school we washed the floor after class, and now specially trained people wash the floors. Maybe this is right, everyone should do their own thing. By the way, I don’t remember the fountain pens.
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 20 August 2019 12: 04 New
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          I went to school in Nizhny Novgorod (then it was Gorky) in 1969 - and after the first quarter, for the New Year holidays, we CANCELED ink pens and the transition to ballpoint pens began. And he graduated from school already in the city of Poltava (Ukraine) - here in 1978 there was a wild struggle with ballpoint pens and schoolchildren were forced to use only automatic ink pens (closed type, with a piston, like modern Parker or its analogues). So understand the Ministry of Education of the USSR! ...
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        ... and success, good luck, snow in winter and winter holidays, collection of waste paper and scrap metal, community work days, (sometimes) good grades, school friendships, fights around the corner, first love ?! I won’t believe that you had anything from this list! Just, sorry, I won’t believe it.
  • Waddimm 11 August 2019 08: 08 New
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    everyone sees only what he wants to see

    It makes no sense to answer the questions of people who do not need an answer. It is important to those who run away to prove to themselves that he was right. Our answers are not interesting to him.
    1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 08: 45 New
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      I actually left much after the USSR
      1. Waddimm 11 August 2019 10: 06 New
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        I actually left much after the USSR

        Then it all changes! You amazingly accurately carried through your life terrible memories of the Soviet Gulag with branches in kindergarten and school! How could I forget about the terrible milk with froth and semolina in the morning? !!!
        Quote: Zeev Zeev
        eternal brawl at recess

        Admit it, you were beaten by classmates?
        1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 10: 26 New
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          I admit - we all amicably beat each other's faces with the full connivance of the teachers. Because they did not care about us (with rare exceptions).
          And the disgusting Soviet school and preschool food (by the way, in the pioneer camp they fed more deliciously, although also not a fountain) is just another stroke to the rest of the shortcomings.
      2. Winnie76 11 August 2019 10: 20 New
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        I actually left much after the USSR

        It was necessary before, but thanks anyway. If all you remember is good, it's sausage and cocoa.
        1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 10: 30 New
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          So in the USSR there was no normal life for a simple person. Although it may have been somewhere, somewhere in Moscow or Minsk, the planned economy supplied them all the same according to completely different standards. Although my wife in Minsk also remembers the Soviet era as a quiet obscenity, albeit from a privileged family of a worker at a sanatorium.
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            So in the USSR there was no normal life for a simple person.

            Here's another thing and for such lies in Russia, they “quietly” hate the Jews ... you are setting up God's chosen people against yourself !!!
      3. Mestny 11 August 2019 10: 41 New
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        Actually, anyway.
        The key is to leave.
        And here we are. Do not bother us and climb here with our judgments and advice.
        1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 10: 52 New
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          But I didn’t leave Russia. Moreover, I have never been to Russia. And it's about the USSR.
          1. Mestny 11 August 2019 11: 44 New
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            Especially.
            I didn’t leave Russia, I never lived in it, but I give away advice and judgments about how wrong it is to the right and to the left.
            1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 12: 23 New
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              Did I say somewhere in this discussion about Russia?
  • Valery Valery 11 August 2019 06: 39 New
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    For the whole West (the "civilized world") we are randomly formed, not accidentally extinct atavism. You cannot talk about us differently. If the truth is told about us, then their Western comic life will turn into a very obvious bubble.
  • bistrov. 11 August 2019 06: 44 New
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    A warrant officer why pouches from a Mosin rifle? According to American directors, was the Soviet Army armed with Mosin rifles in 86?
    1. Ross xnumx 11 August 2019 07: 36 New
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      Quote: bistrov.
      In 86, was the Soviet Army armed with Mosin rifles?

      She also wore an incomprehensible uniform ... She rented in the Bundeswehr ...
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        We look at real photos of the liquidators. Chemical troops form
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      Quote: bistrov.
      According to American directors, was the Soviet Army armed with Mosin rifles in 86?

      Yes, they are on the drum such "details"
      How about that?
      1. Zeev Zeev 11 August 2019 08: 12 New
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        And can you find out from which movie?
      2. Vadim237 11 August 2019 11: 38 New
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        Yes, this shot is real thrash.
        1. Lipchanin 11 August 2019 11: 42 New
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          Yes, this shot is real thrash.

          Yes, if you delve into it, you can’t find it there either.
          I always found that in films, with a twinkle of an eye, AKs turned into M16.
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        Yes, they are on the drum such "details"

        Thank you, laughed, hehe ...., there is a "quilted jacket" here, it is known that this is a purely Soviet invention, of a later period, it was most widely used in the 60s, well, that’s amer for us ... um ....
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      Mosin rifles were in stock in case of war until 2003. In the film, they were given to a group of reservists who were sent to shoot dogs in a settlement.
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      A warrant officer why pouches from a Mosin rifle? According to American directors, was the Soviet Army armed with Mosin rifles in 86?

      You will be surprised, but in the warehouses and Mosin rifles lie also PPSh and much more
      1. bistrov. 14 August 2019 13: 07 New
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        You will be surprised but in the warehouses and Mosin rifles lie

        Yes, I know about the "rifle" and about the "PPSh", which, incidentally, were in service in some units until 1970, the sniper "mosin", I am sure, are still stored in the arsenals, for the accuracy and range of the shot "mosin" modern sniper systems have not surpassed.
  • parusnik 11 August 2019 06: 55 New
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    Brainwashing. Here and the whole tale of the film.
    1. Lipchanin 11 August 2019 07: 41 New
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      Quote: parusnik
      Brainwashing. Here and the whole tale of the film.

      Yes, not washing.
      This is a piece of dirt thrown at us and our albeit tragic story page.
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        Yes, not washing.

        Why not rinse ... you can rinse with anything ... and holy water and sewer
  • Ross xnumx 11 August 2019 07: 31 New
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    I have already spoken out about the series of Russophobia and anti-Sovietism - I will not repeat myself. I can advise the author not to step several times at the same time and after telling with surprise that this is shit. We have plenty of stinking stinks. Who lived at that time remembers all Soviet life, and not ... what is put on public display by the precedent of documentary.
    IN! The discussion of such series has gone forever. Why repeat it?
    hi
  • Gardamir 11 August 2019 07: 43 New
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    So of course the author is a plus. That's just we live in a country where anti-Sovietism, the main ideology. So why be surprised that such films are accepted.
    We have a famous artist and sculptor Evgenia Vasilyeva who organizes exhibitions with taxpayers' money and nothing.
    1. Mestny 11 August 2019 11: 36 New
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      No, not the main one.
      We live in a country in which there is no ideology at all. That is, if you want to write and talk about the beautiful USSR, speak. write. Do you want the opposite - please.
      1. Cat man null 11 August 2019 11: 46 New
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        Quote: Mestny
        We live in a country in which there is no ideology at all

        Not this way. There is no "main", "solely correct" ideology imposed by the state.

        But ideology itself, it ... cannot but eat laughing
        1. Mestny 11 August 2019 11: 48 New
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          So we are just talking about the imposed state.
          Communists, for example, want what was communist; liberals, on the contrary.
          Where do those who disagree (and there are approximately 50 to 50) do not say either.
      2. Gardamir 11 August 2019 12: 59 New
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        . That is, if you want to write and talk about the beautiful USSR, speak. write. Do you want the opposite - please
        Here I agree with you 50%. Yes, at the household level you want to write, you want not to write. But on the state, which alone is Medinsky. And then the state is now more cunning, it does not proclaim its line, it bends it into a quiet one.
  • Bastinda 11 August 2019 08: 11 New
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    A month ago, our warehouses exploded, so a city with a population of 55000 evacuated itself within 5-6 hours, the warriors and cops escaped.

    That's it. And where was the power? Where was the whole "power vertical"? You just confirmed my opinion that now such an organized work is not possible.
    In general, the nit-picking for the series, in the article, are frankly petty. "The tile broke off, the interior is not the same."
    And the worst thing in the series is a comparison of "that" Great Country, and today ...
    1. Mestny 11 August 2019 11: 37 New
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      Power fighters like the show?
      Expected.
      Domestic wrestlers and the authors of the series have the same ideological inspiration.
  • orcinus 11 August 2019 09: 39 New
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    begin to minus, gentlemen, comrades) For starters, I'm not a drop or centimeter is not a liberal in my horizons! But! ... Firstly, the article itself is written in the same “political” colors and stamps. The second-mentioned “Dunya” was only one of many consultants, the author took a lot from the interviews and videos of V. Starodubtsev and other real participants in the events (some points are just a copy, you can reconsider yourself). Yes, cranberries in the form of naked miners, drunk liquidators and grandfather “commies” (look at the net, as Bruchanov behaved for the first time after the disaster and how he threatened the staff talking about the real extent of the accident), but in general, the Western audience perceives the picture is not like the 4th part of The Lord of the Rings, but as the story of ordinary people who became heroes (read the reviews both under the series and under the director’s podcast). The technical features of the cause-effect relationship of the disaster and the elimination of consequences are practically consistent with the real ones. After watching the series, I ask myself: "And who has prevented us from filming our normal version, without miserable actors, with a normal script, in natural scenery for over 30 years?" Now the TV channel "Russia" or "NTV", I don’t remember, they sowed their own and are preparing for release, look at the trailer on the network and evaluate that there is a complete meat grinder for intelligence. The author, by the way, himself “sins” a little riding on his ears: the last free series of “Game of Thrones” does not need to be looked for “for half an hour” - everything is quietly located, like thousands of other tapes. And yet, dear lovers of the search for "propaganda" in all films, it’s not such films that do more harm to the country's prestige, but a huge stream of slag on our TV in the form of series, talk shows and our poor artists. I have paid a lot and pay attention to the history of this Avraia itself, reviewed a lot of interviews, including after the series’s release, I’ll say one thing - a holy place is never empty, you didn’t create something of your own, you get someone else! p.s. people writing are very amused: "I didn’t watch, but I think that is a bad series"))))
    1. Mestny 11 August 2019 11: 39 New
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      No, what are you. Of course, no propaganda exists.
      It’s just honest people in the West who want us to bring the Truth.
      1. orcinus 11 August 2019 13: 43 New
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        it’s just that we are engaged in counter-propaganda by such resonators as the author or people who haven’t watched at all, but who write with an important look) there’s no article! I would like to stall the series, so I would interview the liquidators and prototypes (those who are still alive) of the characters. And, by the way, the main roles, in my opinion, were played well, just many of us do not want to look at ourselves from the side of self-criticism.
        1. Andrey Shmelev 11 August 2019 14: 54 New
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          it’s just that we are engaged in counter-propaganda ... people who have not watched at all, but who write with an important look)


          I agree completely, stupid denials - the best advertisement for enemy propaganda
        2. Rurikovich 11 August 2019 16: 39 New
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          Quote: orcinus
          simply, many of us do not want to look at ourselves from the side of self-criticism.

          We look at ourselves self-critically in comedies, where we make fun of our own vices.
          It is interesting to look at the "astronaut" on the "World" with earflaps in the "Armagedlon"? Or would you like to watch this episode with pleasure, to laugh at yourself ???
          But this is a supply from the same side, one field of berries yes
          request
          1. orcinus 11 August 2019 18: 28 New
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            is it funny to look at O. Tabakov, who is cutting off feathers from the headdress of the leader in “The Man from the Capuchin Boulevard”, with scissors? We have a classic, but I think the Native American will twist at the temple
            1. Rurikovich 11 August 2019 18: 41 New
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              "Man ...." is a comedy. The plot is invented.
              Chernobyl is a drama. The plot is based on real events.
              PS Native Americans, are those now on the brink of genocide who have no rights? request
              1. orcinus 11 August 2019 19: 29 New
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                hear me! I am against the square-headed “political criticism”! the text is full of base cliches - about houses with the situation in the Baltic states, about Ignalinskaya NPP, about faces - I can show such photos from my once “hero city” of Saratov, is there any desire ?! Where is the same article about our series "Soldiers", the series "Border. Taiga novel", the teleopus "Officers" (not Soviet classics, but the serial production of the year 2005)? Where is the same analysis with demotivators? My main message is that you need to start with yourself! And the series, I repeat, aroused genuine interest in the topic among the Western audience and in 90% of cases deep respect for ordinary Soviet people! And the last, why in the "holy" Soviet time they did not give the star of the hero Legasov? Nevertheless, it was "right"! Read, watch the interview.
                1. Rurikovich 11 August 2019 20: 25 New
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                  In something you are right. You can express your opinion - you have every right to do so. You can also write an article in response to your opponent (such as the Me-262 battle). So if the series aroused interest in the West, I personally do not. And for some reason right away. Intuition probably ....
                  I can hear you well smile That's why I'm waiting for your article in response to the East wind wink
                  And my comments on the film are just my opinion hi
                  1. Andrey Shmelev 11 August 2019 22: 15 New
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                    good evening, Andrey!

                    frankly, a number of stamps outraged me

                    but, for example, the same technical details are presented, but my opinion (although I know very little about reactors and the causes of the accident) is extremely simple and logical
                    also, I think, the plot is very interesting, in some cases the shooting is simply brilliantly executed

                    the film is exceptionally talented, even though it has propaganda ... so thin and so strong

                    in general, be sure to pay attention ... "trophy teams";)

                    hi
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                      Quote: Andrei Shmelev
                      even though it has propaganda ... so subtle and so strong

                      hi
                      So I say that the devil is in the details .... winked smile
  • Rurikovich 11 August 2019 09: 41 New
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    Author as always hi
    But to be honest - I did not look! And now, even more so, I will not watch. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO WATCH WHAT IT IS REMOVING ABOUT US NOT US !!!!
    Everybody runs and walks - now, we didn’t take it off, but they did it about Chernobyl, they opened our eyes .... Critics of all kinds of pluses instructed ... “Loving” USSR are also noted by their arguments about the credibility of those times ..... Bullshit all this .... Personally, I will not watch this creation. I do not want. For me, the devil is always in the details. And after the petition of one it’s black ... sorry, the African-American woman that the film is discriminatory, because there are no color films in it and it’s not worth watching.
    Personally, I was always suspicious of the fact that the type was shot based on real events. For you can remove it in different ways - through the eyes of real liquidators, real heroes, or through the eyes of ancestors and dissatisfied. These will be different films. Absolutely. Here is the presentation of material on Chernobyl, and even more so from there, for me it is by no means reliable. I found the era of the USSR, I have my own memories of it and I do not want to see (even if only by reviews) how the truth about that time is distorted.
    Therefore, I am a fan of science fiction, because it is a priori fiction and you know in advance that you are watching what the writers' brains drew. You can still see the presentation of material in which thread of a thriller or drama based on real events, because there can be reports from forensic investigators there and the circle of people involved in the event is extremely narrow - you don’t think much of it.
    But the Chernobyl disaster went through thousands of people and their opinions may be different. It is extremely dangerous to build a truthful film about such an event, because contradictions cannot be avoided. And the calls to perceive the film in a way that is beneficial to someone (such as patriotism, such as the truth) do not want to - anyway, the eye will cling to the details ....
    I would advise in response to make a series about the genocide of the Indians in America and would look at the reaction of liberal-pro-Western defectors about presenting the real truth from the side ... smile
    Bullshit "Chernobyl" I will not watch ... That's it.
    1. Andrey Shmelev 11 August 2019 14: 51 New
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      I would advise in response to make a series about the genocide of the Indians in America


      plus 100500 drinks good
    2. Pilat2009 12 August 2019 23: 18 New
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      Quote: Rurikovich
      Bullshit "Chernobyl" I will not watch

      I didn’t look, but I reproach. Well, you can see the “Chronicle of difficult victories” then. Or “The Battle of Chernobyl”
  • BISMARCK94 11 August 2019 09: 42 New
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    We are waiting for our "masterpiece". The series is artistic, and every rivet has already been licked for authenticity. There were also doors with intercoms and plastic windows with hanging condos, it is strange that their author did not mention.
    1. Vadim237 11 August 2019 11: 41 New
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      Well, the Ukrainian masterpiece is already there - the test drama turned out
    2. Mestny 11 August 2019 11: 47 New
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      Our domestic fighters with the regime will immediately pour dirt on ANY domestic series.
      Whatever the Badcomedian in half with the Goblin will again rave on their channels.
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        Since there is a reason - there are normal films, but there is garbage on "real events according to secret documents" such as Stalingrad, Movement to the Top, Indestructible, T 34.
  • Operator 11 August 2019 12: 00 New
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    Quote: Andrei Shmelev
    The meaning of what I wrote: the series is made very talented

    You are a linguist, so write about the "talented" series, but don’t get into the technology - you are stuck with your copy-paste of stamps of shaggy years of release.
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      You are a linguist, so write about "talented" series, but do not meddle in technology


      I'm so stupid that I needed more than one higher education;)
      translator - this is so, the probable opponent in the original understand;)
      PS. minus is not mine, but
  • Amateur 11 August 2019 13: 00 New
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    to the son of workers from a sleeping area

    Your arrived. Previously, only the "daughter of an officer" of the USSR / Russia poured mud on the mud, now the son has also appeared. angry
  • tank64rus 11 August 2019 13: 00 New
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    Okay, with this series in the West they did what they had to do. There is no our series therefore this film appeared in the West. This year, on April 26, there was not even a word about the media about the anniversary of the Chernobyl accident. This month, rations have not been transferred to disabled liquidators so far, they say the Defense Ministry has no money, but you hold on. Therefore, one can speak of the machinations of the West, but one must also look at oneself.
  • Rus_Balt 11 August 2019 14: 13 New
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    That is why it is necessary to shoot our domestic TV shows and show the whole world the truth, as it was in fact, so that the West would not remove its speculation and its false propaganda! Why did they start shooting their series about Chernobyl only after the Western version came out?
    After Chernobyl, the same thing happened with Kursk - in the west they removed their version of events related to Kursk. Why are we lagging behind again? Why admit this informational vacuum? Why can’t we make our own, truthful and explaining all events and actions film or series? After all, are there any film materials, documentary materials, eyewitnesses of these events? What prevents to make a film about those events on the basis of our documentary materials on the rescue of Kursk?
  • Earthshaker 11 August 2019 16: 13 New
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    The dogs are barking, the caravan is on.
    Don't like the show? Create a better series about the bad Americans who drowned the Scorpio nuclear submarines. But we are weak and there is no money, we barely hold on.
  • Sadam 11 August 2019 19: 05 New
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    Well, your review of the film is so-so. 3 times Goebels was mentioned about propaganda fumes ..)) the positive side of this series is that I spent a week in YouTube reviewing all these documentaries about Legasov Pripyat reactor .... and millions of people so wanted to figure it out .... it's a shame that the Russians did not make such a film
  • Doliva63 11 August 2019 19: 42 New
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    Quote: Zeev Zeev
    Well, let's remember all this in order.
    A) Kindergarten - the cries of the nannies if you don’t sleep at Quiet Hour, yesterday’s pasta casserole, milk with froth, obligatory panty hoses (no pantyhose was taken to the kindergarten in the morning), shared toilet without toilets, smelling of bleach, semolina porridge with lumps (brrr ) ... Of the good - an amazing teacher, kind and caring.
    B) School - a fountain pen with eternal blots and breaking feathers (first or second grade), gym shoes, a satchel with hard leatherette straps, dried fruit compote, a primary school teacher with hatred in the eyes, and indeed the attitude of most teachers stupid person "to everyone in the class, slaps from that teacher, eternal fights at breaks, terrible uncomfortable shape, shift, walking in the gym on physical education classes in a shooting gallery (we had an underground shooting gallery in our school), a dusty football field with shreds of grass ... Again, a toilet without a toilet and toilet paper. Of the good ones - sausage in pastry and cocoa without foam, a music teacher, a math teacher, a school principal, strict but fair.
    Continue?

    Well, come on, troll.
    1. I was kicked out of kindergarten for constant hooliganism. I do not regret;
    2. The fountain pens in the school were beautiful, only the ink froze, but this is no longer in elementary school. And then the teacher was young, her eyes burned, until 21 o’clock it was possible to go to her house, there are any problems with the tasks.
    My childhood was happy. It was in the USSR.
  • Snigir 11 August 2019 20: 19 New
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    It is a pity that the series showed only the tip of the iceberg of the tragedy that was happening at that time in Ukraine.

    Let schoolchildren mess me up, but I remember how at that time they drove Kiev residents to a rally in honor of the 1 of May hi
    1. dgonni 12 August 2019 11: 16 New
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      Well, let's say this! At the May Day parade, no one drove, everything was standard as all the years before that! But the fact that the top officials quickly sent relatives and children away from Kiev was.
      In general, the film caught the era, respect for costume designers. Bloopers like bare miners without pants? But how can a director show in one episode that they worked without protection in contaminated water? I have a good friend who then served in GO as a senior lieutenant and interacted with these miners. So he always remembers the general’s phrase that all the guys pumped out the water. If the floor of Ukraine and Belarus hadn’t been deflated, Russia wouldn’t have existed!
    2. svp67 20 August 2019 09: 33 New
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      Let schoolchildren mess me up, but I remember how at that time they drove Kiev residents to a rally in honor of the 1 of May

      I have not been a student for a long time, so my "minus" to you is from a pensioner. What do you remember? How did the machine gunners drive them to such meetings? But how do you do it now, you don’t know and don’t want to remember?
  • sabotage 11 August 2019 20: 26 New
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    KG, AM. In addition to fans of conspiracy theories, reptilians and other puzzles, it is worthwhile to highlight a separate group. This group includes the majority of male Russians aged 40 years and older. They are sincerely convinced that everything that is created in the West is evil, and that it is created for the sole purpose of destroying Russia. By their tenacity, they, like the author of the article, resemble the narrow-minded religious fanatics. It’s to such self-confident people that they sell MMM shares, drive them into the pyramids of network marketing, invest in heavy loans for cars and mortgages, and bred for co-financing pensions.

    Believe me, everyone does not care about Russia. She sells her resources for money, and everyone is happy with everything. Or do you think that if a NATO soldier comes and captures Russia, then the extraction and transportation of resources will become free? Stop thinking about delirium.

    Great series, great script, amazing work on costumes and interiors. And do not look for deep meaning where it does not exist. Well do not like vodka on the academician's table? Well deficit, where did he get Jamison 18 year old or Hennessy? Just drank a little for antistress. This is normal, but he doesn’t have to drive a car, but invent non-standard solutions. This will not have a significant effect on performance, but it will help the mental state.
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      This is called paranoid schizophrenia.
    2. Catfish 11 August 2019 22: 22 New
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      This group includes the majority of male Russians aged 40 years and older. They are sincerely convinced that everything that is created in the West is evil, and that it is created for the sole purpose of destroying Russia.


      I am much more than forty, my friends, respectively, too, are all “male Russians” and none of us believes that “everything that is created in the West is evil, etc.” So, we are very grateful for having piled us in one heap with reptilians and MMM fans.

      You are nevertheless more careful with generalizations, you can stumble inadvertently, it will be insulting ... hi
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        You are nevertheless more careful with generalizations, you can stumble inadvertently, it will be insulting ...

        Apparently, you are not the majority. I did not write that absolutely everything.
    3. Cat man null 11 August 2019 22: 29 New
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      Quote: sabotage
      Great series, great script, amazing work on costumes and interiors. And do not look for deep meaning where it does not exist

      Pepsi generation on the march negative

      Quote: sabotage
      KG, AM

      In yes
      1. balunn 12 August 2019 10: 55 New
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        Who, what he wanted to see, he saw! And the series really turned out to be strong (not without cranberries of course), but this is a strong series.
      2. sabotage 12 August 2019 20: 02 New
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        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Pepsi generation on the march

        The fact is that most people are averse to critical thinking and take everything at face value. Life is not enough to explain to such people all the mistakes and inaccuracies that culture reproduces.

        Events for filmmakers and TV series creators are sets, and famous events are used to attract the attention of an audience. And if this audience is not able to distinguish real events from fiction, then these are the problems of their education, upbringing and intellectual development. But not the malicious intent of the authors.

        Threat. What are bad suits? Are the interiors not Soviet? The series is not exciting? Essentially have something to say? Or is there nothing besides cheap methods of self-assertion?
        1. Cat man null 12 August 2019 21: 10 New
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          You originally wrote nonsense, and continue to persist in it. Yes, right away, to make it clear - I do not care deeply about the film itself. It is no worse and no better than other Western crafts on "Russian" topics.

          Quote: sabotage
          Believe me, everyone does not care about Russia. She sells her resources for money, and everyone is happy with everything. Or do you think that if a NATO soldier comes and captures Russia, then the extraction and transportation of resources will become free?

          It (mining and transportation) will become much cheaper. Because the "NATO" will not be spent, for example, on the fact that you contain like "creative youth" wink

          So I completely agree with the comrade Catfish - try to think more, and only then write something, and even more so - to say. That ride on the Internet, in life, may respond completely unnecessary to you, ahem, sensations yes
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      Believe me, everyone does not care about Russia.

      No, of course I understand - but what is it to be like that and think so - well, well, well, they, wowooh - you're just a "genius" in the flesh !!! laughing
  • Kostadinov 12 August 2019 10: 27 New
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    So in the USSR there was no normal life for a simple person.

    In Bulgaria (NRB), too, the “normal” life of a simple person did not beat. This is now a “normal” life when 25% of the able-bodied population left the country to work and 50% of the remaining cannot heat themselves in the winter and do not have access to medicine. I don’t mention about holidays at sea, theater, books, sports. They remained for them in the distant "abnormal" past.
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    In Japan, Fokushima-which, still draining the radio octaves into the ocean goes ... And silence.
  • yehat 12 August 2019 11: 26 New
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    Quote: Michael Drabkin
    This is an anti-Soviet, Russophobian series in the traditions of the Cold War.
    False in detail, bias of images.

    no, this film is not in the tradition of the cold war. This is another level - an extremely careful selection of surroundings,
    masking completely fake images. There was no such thing in the Cold War - there were comical sentries with balalaikas at the post (Jame Bond). And here they are trying to portray the "truth" so that you believe that the picture is equal to the essence of what is happening.
    Quote: Michael Drabkin
    Criticism of the channels of power is fair

    But what should the authorities say? What is all gone? Silence was indeed, but not total, as it is loved in the light of democracy. Ask in the USA what percentage of the election the fascist party gained before ww2 or how Hawaii was annexed by deceit and arms.
    Quote: Michael Drabkin
    it is a metaphor for the destruction of the USSR by incompetence and betrayal of power, seeking the approval of the West.

    This is completely different. And the West only participated here very indirectly - personnel problems after ww2.
    1. dgonni 12 August 2019 14: 32 New
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      Yes, this is a completely different level of elaboration of the entourage, for it is HBO and not Columbia picchers! Therefore, their series can be watched in a year and in 10 years. They have a very meticulous approach to reproducing the spirit of the era!
      Power should not have been lying! And ask any liquidator or anyone who worked in the zone, what dose he actually received! Everyone had metering cards, like dosimeters. Anyone will tell you that the comma must be moved to the right one position at least! For civilians who lived in the zone, I am simply silent. In the 10 and 30-kilometer zone there were regular buses that carried all this dirt to cities and towns. Then these indelible buses were buried in a repository in the zone, since it was impossible to wash them even for internal use.
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    Quote: dgonni
    to reproduce the spirit of the era!

    you do not hear me. They created a completely false spirit of the era and crossed with pseudo-real pictures,
    to make it easier for you to believe. A delusional bottle of vodka on the table instead of tea against the background of real shots from Chernobyl is the main idea of ​​the whole picture. Complete substitutions and manipulations.
    If you shoot a film about Chicago or Harlem or hundreds of other problematic places in this style and show them to schoolchildren every day, no one will ever think of emigrating to the United States.
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      about gansters, Americans have already shot so much

      "Taxi Driver", "Casino", "Nice Guys", "Raging Bull".
  • Rplay 12 August 2019 16: 05 New
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    Yesterday, my wife and I watched the series.
    Well, cranberries are enough. But, but ...
    I wanted to write a lot of letters ...
    Let them take and take off better !!!!
    I didn’t grab the colic from laughing with NTV’s answer.
    Hollywood knows how to make entertaining movies, and many want documentaries from them. What ??
    Well, they like to think that our starships work on vodka - and with them.
    Have a wave! It was clear that no one from the dream factory would ever meticulously recreate everything. This is a sight, not a report in the Magate.
    Let the Ministry of Culture remove something like that. With a good picture, a game of actors, a great script.
  • yehat 12 August 2019 16: 30 New
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    Quote: Rplay
    Let the Ministry of Culture remove something like that. With a good picture, a game of actors, a great script.

    the government is not interested in films that create respect for the history of the USSR.
  • Red Moskovit 12 August 2019 16: 59 New
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    A few more words about the series ...
    https://red-mskt.livejournal.com/33638.html
  • Jager 13 August 2019 14: 18 New
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    You can relate to this series as you like, but ... none of ours has shot better.
    Yes, cranberries are present, propaganda is present. But in general, not bad.
    The authors deliberately “leaked” the end of the series without showing the outcome of the liquidators' work, replacing the final with Legasov’s trip to the KGB’s “Pativen”.
    The moment the appearance of the bare miners was puzzled. I expected them to start farting in the best traditions of toilet humor. At least they didn’t get it. And thanks for that.

    Our country has a great history, full of heroism and great achievements.
    It’s like, but my favorite film is “They Fought for the Motherland”. Shukshin and Nikulin are incomparable there. And no vodka, bloody commissars and other garbage. And there is no beloved "realism." But it’s not the picture that takes the soul, but the game of heroes.
  • Operator 13 August 2019 16: 29 New
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    Quote: Albert1988
    in the first and second Chernobyl units, such a system was also introduced, only the 3 and 4 were left without it

    Did the director and chief engineer of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant know the reasons for installing such a system in two of the four reactors of his plant?
    1. Doctor 14 August 2019 20: 58 New
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      Did the director and chief engineer of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant know the reasons for installing such a system in two of the four reactors of his plant?

      The big question is whether such a system was actually installed on 1,2 reactors, and indeed at the Leningrad NPP.
      The series shows work to eliminate the accident, but there is almost nothing about its causes.
      This was best described by the direct participant and one of the main culprits of the accident Anatoly Stepanovich Dyatlov in the book "Chernobyl - as it was." He held the post of deputy chief engineer of the station, at the time of the accident he was a senior at the power unit.
      He talks in detail about the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, the structure of the reactor, personnel, and every minute he analyzes the situation and the prerequisites with the citation of guidance documents. He does not mention any additional systems at the time of the accident. All design changes were made after the accident.
  • Jack O'Neill 14 August 2019 11: 24 New
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    That's what, but running into Chernobyl from HBO is such a thing.
    The series is very objective, more objective than we would shoot ourselves. Yes, funny and funny, but it is.
    We would have vodka in every frame, and melted for advertising purposes. Chernobyl has a lot of shots with vodka, because it was really drunk for “preventive” purposes. Then people thought that vodka removes radiation.
    I have already watched the 3 series, today I’ll watch the rest.
    1. dali 16 August 2019 12: 43 New
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      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      The series is very objective, more objective than we would shoot ourselves.

      Did you participate in the liquidation of the accident ?! belay