The Northern Fleet will receive the status of a separate military administrative unit

In the near future, the Northern Fleet will receive the status of a separate military-administrative unit of Russia, equating it with military districts. The draft decree, according to which these changes will be implemented, has already been developed and published on the portal of draft regulatory acts.

According to this decree, the Northern Fleet receives the status of a separate military administrative unit that is not part of separate military districts of Russia, but equal to them. Thus, the Northern Fleet will be equated with a military district. An explanatory note to the draft document states that such a reorganization will improve cooperation in solving defense problems in one of the most important strategic areas - the Arctic.

In relation to the new organizational and staff structure and management system of the RF Armed Forces, the Northern Fleet is vested with the powers of an interspecific strategic territorial association

- stated in the draft decree.

In April this year, the Ministry of Defense announced that if the draft decree was approved, the Northern Fleet would receive the legal status of an independent military administrative unit that was not part of the military districts of the Russian Armed Forces. By the same decree, territories where units are deployed will be assigned to him fleet - Komi Republic, Arkhangelsk, Murmansk regions and the Nenets Autonomous Okrug. Accordingly, these territories will be excluded from the service area of ​​the military districts of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

Recall that 1 December 2014, the Northern Fleet was withdrawn from the Western Military District and at its base the Arctic Joint Strategic Command was created, reinforced by forces and equipment of the Western, Central and Eastern military districts.

Comments

[Amateur]

Accordingly, these territories will be excluded from the service area of ​​the military districts of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

Has anyone understood anything from this sentence?
Or like VS Chernomyrdin: "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always."

[Piramidon]

Quote: Amateur

Has anyone understood anything from this sentence?

As I understand it, the Northern Fleet will be "powered" directly from the Ministry of Defense, and not through an intermediary-LenVO, as before. I believe that this should greatly improve the supply of the fleet, but as I remember, we always got "scraps" from the supply of the district. Something like this.

[kenig1]

Not Len. VO, and ZVO.

[Piramidon]

Quote: kenig1

Not Len. VO, and ZVO.

This is me out of habit. In my time, KSF was in the territory of the LenVO. He did not serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Dismissed from the ranks of the USSR Armed Forces in 1991. Even in the certificate of the veteran issued later, I have the Leningrad Military District.

[Errr]

The Leningrad Military District was disbanded in 2010.
The Joint Strategic Command North (sometimes the terms Arctic Forces and the Northern Military District are used) was created on December 1, 2014 to protect Russia's national interests in the Arctic. The new command was based on the Northern Fleet, withdrawn from the Western Military District.

[Nestorych]

Now services to protect data of the territory will be provided by the Federation Council with attached parts.)))

[Thrifty]

But won't this eventually lead to the appearance of the Northern Military Fleet LLC? This is more than possible in our country.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Amateur

Has anyone understood anything from this sentence?

So in the article there is an explanation:

According to this decree, the Northern Fleet receives the status of a separate military administrative unit that is not part of separate military districts of Russia, but equal to them. In this way Northern Fleet will be equated to a military district.

[Artemiy_2]

Now, if in addition to his status he would have received 5 more new frigates. But unfortunately GEM for Admiral Golovko will be ready only by the summer of 20 years

[Mikhail Drabkin]

You write Artemy_2

... GEM for Admiral Golovko will be ready only by the summer of 20 years

It's a good news!
Bad news about the engines "... only the sick and lazy did not discuss ..", and we did not forget, but already experienced and discussed.

[Artemiy_2]

The turbines are ready. Gearboxes are being tested on a star. In winter, the gearboxes will go to Saturn, where they will be assembled in a power plant. They will try again and in summer the power plant will go to the ship

[bayard]

He will soon receive another nuclear cruiser with striking power as 5 frigates "Admiral Golovko", and there the frigates will catch up.
The main thing is that planning, supply and personnel will be dealt with by sailors, and not tankers. I hope that the role of the commander in chief will rise.
And I would also like the Pacific Fleet to get a similar status ... and then the Black Sea.
In the meantime, we can wish the MO a speedy return to common sense.

[yehat]

at a time when, finally, the prospect of total integration of the military machine appeared on the horizon,
news comes out that by administrative fragmentation of forces improves interaction.

[bayard]

On the contrary, this is the first step towards a return to common sense. Crushing, this is when the Navy was fragmented into separate fleets and subordinated to the navies - i.e. counties. . . It’s like to command a tanker aviation ..... sorry, again, to the point ... commands ... Wonderful are your affairs Army
It is difficult to find logic in paradoxical decisions, but ... perhaps this is a cunning plan ... And returning the fleet to a naval beginning is good. It is right .
... Still, for the VKS to find a pilot, or air defense ... all the same, the radar, air defense system and combat fighter are very different from the tank ... and even more so from the bomber.
Help Ahura-Mazda (Lord of Reason) the leadership of the military state of Russia to stand on the path of Mazda and not leave it from now on until the end of the century.
... I forgot how "Amen" is in Sanskrit, but in Russian I will say - YES.

[Chaldon48]

What will it change for the better? Will management improve, bureaucratic fuss with supply and financing will decrease?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Chaldon48

Management will improve

First of all, the supply should improve. IMHO.

[VIT101]

Quote: Piramidon

First of all, the supply should improve. IMHO.

The most important thing, I think, is that the fleet will be commanded by sailors, and not land explorers.

[Piramidon]

Quote: VIT101

The most important thing, I think, is that the fleet will be commanded by sailors, and not land explorers.

At the expense of the command, you apparently do not know and frankly bent it. Never have a land army commanded a fleet. Any fleet commander was subject only to the Ministry of Defense. But the supply of the fleets was always carried out through the land intendants of the corresponding territorial districts and, damn it, according to the leftover principle. I experienced it myself. To get something, it was necessary to beat the thresholds of "green" services.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Piramidon

Never were the naval commanders of the fleet.

In the last war, the army team just commanded.
If we take the current time, then, for example, the Baltic Fleet is part of the ZVO.

The Baltic Fleet is the main training base for the Russian Navy and, along with the 1st Air Force and Air Defense Command, the Moscow and Leningrad Military Districts, became part of the created Western Military District.

Despite the fact that :

The commander of the ZVO troops subordinates all military units of the Russian Armed Forces deployed on the territory of the okrug, with the exception of the Strategic Missile Forces and the Airspace Forces.

And the commander of the Western Military District is our "tanker" - Colonel-General Alexander Zhuravlev.

The Northern Fleet was also part of the ZVO, until in 2014 it was withdrawn to a separate USC Sever.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alexey RA

If we take the current time, then, for example, the Baltic Fleet is part of the ZVO.

Don't confuse sour with mild. Being on the territory of the district and obeying its command are two big differences. I served my entire service at the KSF. We were never commanded by the Leningrad Military District, on whose territory we were. I didn't even know the name of the district commander. We were commanded up the stairs: Commander of the Northern Fleet - Commander of the Fleet - Minister of Defense. All. There were no "boots" in between.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Piramidon

I served all my service at KSF. The LenVO, in whose territory we were, never commanded us.

LenVO has long been gone. And the days of the independent naval command disappeared along with a full-fledged fleet.

Quote: Piramidon

Do not confuse sour with soft. Being in the district and obeying its command are two big differences.

According to information from the official site of the Ministry of Defense, the Northern and Baltic Fleets during its formation included the Northern Military District. Not stationed in, namely included.

The Western Military District (ZVO) was formed in September 2010 in accordance with the decree of the President of the Russian Federation of September 20, 2010 on the basis of two military districts - Moscow and Leningradsky. The Northern and Baltic Fleets and the 1st Air Force and Air Defense Command were also included in the ZVO.

And from there:

The commander of the ZVO troops subordinates all military formations of the types and arms of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation deployed in the okrug, with the exception of the Strategic Missile Forces and the Aerospace Defense Forces.

Quote: Piramidon

We were commanded up the stairs: Commander of the Northern Fleet - Commander of the Fleet - Minister of Defense. All. There were no "boots" in between.

It's all affairs of bygone days... And here is the situation for 2017:

On Thursday, June 15, Colonel-General Andrei Kartapolov, Commander of the Western Military District, arrived in the Kaliningrad Region to verify the combat training of the Baltic Fleet. On Thursday, June 15, said the head of the press service of the Western Military District Colonel Igor Muginov.

[UAZ 452]

Moreover, everything in the Kaliningrad enclave is directly subordinate to the command of the Baltic Fleet. And the sailors in "infantry" (as well as in aviation) matters are expected to understand something like tankers in the sea.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: UAZ 452

Moreover, everything in the Kaliningrad enclave is directly subordinate to the command of the Baltic Fleet. And the sailors in "infantry" (as well as in aviation) matters are expected to understand something like tankers in the sea.

Yes, I remember this wonderful reassignment. They wanted something better — to unite all forces under a single command, so that it wouldn’t be as usual: the fleet is responsible for this, the army is responsible for this, and nobody ... because the fleet thinks that the army is responsible for this, and army - that fleet. At the same time, the fleet partially gets into army affairs, and the army into naval affairs.
But it turned out - as always. The ground detachments from the headquarters of the Western Military District do not understand anything in naval affairs, but at the same time they command the BF sailors, who in turn do not understand anything in the affairs of the army, but command the land detachments in Kaliningrad. *double facepalm*

[KVU-NSVD]

According to this decree, the Northern Fleet receives the status of a separate military administrative unit that is not part of separate military districts of Russia, but equal to them.

Actually now it is. The addition of additional functions will not be worse. The operational eon of the Northern Fleet covers all approaches to Russia through the pole and all northern approaches (so far conditional, but so far)

[The Siberian barber]

Initially surprised leapfrog, with the subordination of the Fleets. In my opinion, this is a voluntary or involuntary sabotage, if you want

[Vladimir61]

The correct decision, taking into account its tasks and the presence of a significant number of coastal units, it should be an independent operational-strategic unit. The experience of the Second World War, this is only confirmation.

[The Siberian barber]

Unfortunately, often, we tend to step on the same rake (((

[UAZ 452]

Speaking about the WWII experience - what do you mean? Then the fleet (BF, Black Sea Fleet) was mainly engaged in the defense of its bases. One can admire the heroism of the "black pea jackets", but use trained naval specialists as infantry ...

[UAZ 452]

The consistency of the "ground", who was also instructed to lead the naval forces, as expected (all except those who are just authorized to make decisions of this scale) left much to be desired. But the example of Kaliningrad, where all the ground and air forces are subordinate to the Baltic Fleet, also convincingly demonstrates the loyalty of the opposite: the sailors, who were given the helm of the infantry and aviation, quickly bring them to the handle (the impressions of acquaintances who serve in those areas in senior officer positions).
However, the situation when everyone is doing their job according to the profile in which they studied is also not ideal: in our reality, even if the "infantry" headquarters and the naval headquarters stand next to each other, but the general chief will be in Moscow, without a shout from from the very top, the admiral will not even deign to call the general (and vice versa).

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Back and forth ... why did the other fleets offend?

[Beregovic_1]

The Arctic is priority - this is the first. Since the territories of three districts adjoin the Arctic Ocean, logistics and interaction are becoming more complicated. Therefore, to protect the interests of the Russian Federation in the Arctic, a separate command was created - USC SF. The second is the presence in the composition of the Federation Council of the NSF. here what should not be allowed is the leadership of the boots by these forces. According to this criterion, Pacific Fleet would also be withdrawn from under the Eastern Military District, but in its current state it is not capable of independently carrying out tasks ....

[Candidate of Military Sciences]

No matter how, in the end, there is still a "president" ...

[petrol cutter]

Someone's kind of dregs. A play on words. Withdrawn, introduced ... Is it good or bad? Living with SF let them talk. I have not been to those parts for a long time. A brother-in-law will lie with three boxes. He loves this thing.

[ruivit1988]

It would be better if the northern fleet received several brand new Leader destroyers.

[Popov Konstantin Ivanovich]

on autopilot I read how ... the status of a great nuclear power ... I almost went crazy

[RoTTor]

ANYWHERE!
The still not forgotten old, Soviet. It’s better!
However, at the rear - clothing, food and apartment depletion of the KSF, as well as the 10th Air Defense OA were in LenVO