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Finca. From artisans to mass production

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And to you in the evening blue gloom
Often one sees the same thing:

Like someone in a tavern fight
Sadanul under the heart of a Finnish knife.
S. Yesenin


From Puuko to Bitch


After the revolution, the manufacture of knives of the Finnish type was carried out by numerous artels and single handicraftsmen. Production was put on stream and bloomed densely in the twenties. After the ban of gunshot weapons Finnish knives are becoming very popular in the criminal environment, which led to the final tightening of the article 182 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR from 1926 in 1935, where the manufacture, carrying, marketing, and storage of daggers, Finnish knives and other cold steel without the permission of the NKVD was punishable by up to 5 years.

Finca. From artisans to mass production

Typical artifact finca knot


Since Finland was part of the Russian Empire before the revolution (from the beginning of the 19th century), it is difficult to separate the knives of its production from other Russian ones, except for geographical and national characteristics.

There were quite a few Finnish-type knives; the very word “finca” in the USSR was used to name almost any knife related to what could hardly be called household-canteens. Finka were classic Finnish puuko-type knives, army knives HA-40, various crafts of zonov and factory craftsmen.

The fashion for the appearance of the knife has changed over time. It is quite easy to distinguish popular knives from the Second World War from handicrafts of the late 1980's - the beginning of the 1990's, when horrors appeared under the influence of Western films: "Die of envy, Rambo!"

The classic artel finca of the USSR of the 1920s differed from the typical Finnish of the same years, as a rule, with a more pronounced "pike" (the bevel curved to the cutting edge to the tip), the absence of dolly on the wedge, the presence of a ring on the front of the handle, and another shape of the handle and scabbard.

All the factors brought together make it easy to distinguish typical Soviet Finnish from Finnish. One example is the so-called finca-knot, mass-produced by the Zarya, Zvezda, and others.

The most common artelian Finn-knot had a blade about 130 mm long, a handle about 100 mm long, a wedge about 20 mm wide, a thickness at the base 4 mm, which gradually tapers towards the tip of the knife. A ring is put on the front of the handle, protecting it from cracking and filled with a compound or low-melting metal. The mounting of the handle of the fin was done through, with riveting at the end of the handle. The dimensions of the blade are believed to be divided by numbers depending on the length of the blade and began with No. 1 (the smallest) and higher. As for the sizes, there is no complete clarity, it happens that the wedge under No. 4 of one artel is more than the wedge of No. 5 of another, it seems that everyone had their own artel standards (as TU now), or the masters didn’t fool themselves by putting numbers, and they were just confused. And often there were no rooms.

At first glance, the rather unusual handle of a Finnish-bitch looks awkward and unusual to the touch, but behaves very well when used. I made a similar knife for testing with a minimum of tools, especially not observing the proportion of the blade, just to feel how it will behave in the hand. The findings are exceptionally positive, but this is a matter of taste.

A finca of this type was shown in the first Soviet sound film "A ticket to life" (was with Yashka Zhigan), filmed in 1931; there was a boy who was riding a hare to the Arctic to the Chelyuskins in the film "Once Upon a Summer"; a similar metal Said in the movie "The White Sun of the Desert."


Finka Yashka Zhigan from the movie "A ticket to life"


During World War II


During World War II, the production of knives broke out with renewed vigor. After toughening the legislation, universal and combat knives were sorely lacking, and every fighter needed them. Numerous factories and artels produced knives for the front, such as the HA-40. Even before the war, the Trud plant (Vacha) mastered the production of a diving knife (they put a rubber tire with a ribbed surface on the wooden handle of a Finnish knife and made rubber sheaths for it).


Finnish type knife. Factory "Labor", Vacha. A ribbed rubber tire was put on this type of knife, turning it into a “diver”


They produced knives for individual units: black knives of the Ural Volunteer Tank Corps, knives and daggers of the Izhora battalion. Well, in numerous repair shops, repair battalions and airfield maintenance battalions, the craftsmen arranged the production of a variety of finishes using improvised materials. It was during the Second World War that knives with typesetting handles made of plexiglass aircraft lanterns, multi-colored soap dishes and other similar material began to spread widely.


Finca-bitch since WWII



Garda on knives began to be used more widely


Craftsmen used material with broken equipment, for example, brace ribbons of planes went to knife blades. The forms of knives are very different, from simple classical to peeped by allies and opponents, those that came in the configuration for Lend-Lease products, and simply alterations from captured bayonet-knives. Finks were widely presented to friends and command personnel, made with commemorative engravings and inscriptions.




Major Korniliev’s knife



Blockade Finca with a homemade handle



Fink Lieutenant Colonel Dolgoborodov, NSh 48 SD them. Kalinina



Homemade with brass scabbard


Loafers-Finns, who were sitting in dugouts near Leningrad, gave out a very interesting product in the form of hammered aluminum scabbards made from the bodies of downed planes. Such sheaths were riveted from two halves of duralumin sheets, inside they were glued with cloth or leather. If the mass production of knives in Finland was limited to the production of simple scabbard from cardboard due to leather deficiency, then at the front it turned to the fullest. At the positions of the Finnish troops, the search engines found a mold for smelting the "fungus" (the base of the handle, the most popular among the Finns in those years), apparently made of a brass shell shell. Just like our craftsmen, the Finns used organics to set the hilt of their knives.


Finnish homemade war since the Second World War with aluminum scabbard



Similar knife



And with a wooden scabbard


After the war, the production of Finnish type knives in the USSR stalled. Artels switched to the production of peaceful products; by order of the Moscow Region, they released only sets for cooks. Although it is worth remembering that a folding garden knife was equipped with sanitary bags, and during the Second World War, according to some reports, the knife was used as a sling cutter. The production of Finnish became the priority of the sidelings from places not so distant up to the 90 of the last century and the result of a certain relaxation of the legislation on chemical weapons.

Photos honestly taken with the permission of A. A. Mack, author of editions on edged weapons and collector.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 10 August 2019 05: 14
    +8
    I had a Finnish woman from the "zone", beautiful, with a typesetting handle made of toothbrushes, with a guard, and a very decent blade .... but "left" under unknown circumstances, just disappeared ... apparently the "genes" worked and went into the escape... recourse
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 10 August 2019 07: 25
      +5
      History and review of the Finnish knife PUUKKO.
  2. garri-lin
    garri-lin 10 August 2019 06: 12
    +8
    The most beautiful of the presented is the signed "blo4adnaya finka" a little too long for a comfrey but will work. But the Finnish aluminum scabbard surprised. Ktch brought to the point of absurdity. There was really nothing to do.
    1. Mordvin 3
      10 August 2019 08: 21
      +5
      Quote: garri-lin
      The most beautiful of the presented is the signed "blo4adnaya finka" a little too long for a comfrey but will do.

      There is a wedge of 145 mm., And a handle - 95. Normal sizes. AT-40 has a wedge of 152 mm.

      And where they were released is not clear. Perhaps - at the Leningrad medical and instrumental plant "Krasnogvardeets".
      By the way, according to the latest data, a knife produced by ZIK, IMZ, NA-40, aka NR-40, aka "black knife", it is more correct to call it as an army knife of the sample 41 (GAU index 56-X-514), the documents "surfaced" literally 2 weeks ago.

    2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 August 2019 14: 50
      +2
      What can I say ... How they fought, such and the Finnish did! ...
  3. andrewkor
    andrewkor 10 August 2019 06: 12
    +6
    Inspired by childhood: "... In the yard I met a bully,
    He showed me his Finnish knife
    I almost fear with ... fear.
    Ah, Zhora, hold my mac! "
    FINCA, the same brand as a Kalashnikov assault rifle!
  4. bistrov.
    bistrov. 10 August 2019 07: 09
    -1
    All these so-called. "Finns" imitate the famous "scout's knife" in different versions, from the then "our poverty" ....
    Now on the Internet there are a great variety of knives: branded, and little-known, and artisanal, and factory production, and cheap, and for pretty decent money.
    Of the cheapest and relatively high-quality knives, I would note the Columbia knives - a powerful stainless steel blade up to 19 cm long, 5 mm thick, sharpened to razor sharpness, the handle is a continuation of the blade, the handle is made of epoxy-impregnated plywood with rivets and a rather weighty guard ... The production, of course, of our "partners" from the celestial empire. The price is purely symbolic for such a knife, I managed to get it for only 600 rubles. The only drawback is the hardness of steel on the Rockwell scale of only 40 units, which is also considered an advantage, since already with 42 units of hardness a knife is considered a "cold weapon". A very worthy knife for both domestic and applied purposes.
    1. Avior
      Avior 10 August 2019 07: 49
      +3
      And what are you doing with this "die with envy Rambo" knife?
      Neither cut sausages, nor peel potatoes, nor fish.

      I have the same Columbia, only the blade is shorter and the thickness is 2.4.
      Normal, comfortable knife for outings in nature.
      1. bistrov.
        bistrov. 10 August 2019 08: 13
        +1
        Quote: Avior
        Neither cut sausages, nor peel potatoes, nor fish.

        What do you go to "nature" "peel potatoes"? Indeed, it is inconvenient to peel potatoes with such a knife. And this knife handles sausage and fish easily. In addition, it can be used as a "hunting" one, you never know what "troubles" await you in desert places, and such a knife hanging on your belt , somehow adds confidence, although this "confidence" may be quite ghostly, by the way, if with any knife you are caught in the hunting grounds, an "official" can easily sew on an attempt to poaching and draw up an appropriate document, So, I do not advise keeping such knife in sight, even if you took his potatoes to peel.
        Personally, I throw it at the target, very durable, and it’s not a pity to beat for ridiculous money.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 10 August 2019 08: 41
          +4
          For hiking in the forest there is Mora. Well, a lot of options.
        2. Avior
          Avior 10 August 2019 08: 57
          +5
          Well, I usually don’t go out to cut people. hi
          I don’t throw mine, it’s a razor point, the end is thin, it’s convenient to cut the fish, and dreaming the tip will break off.
        3. Tank hard
          Tank hard 10 August 2019 13: 15
          +1
          Quote: bistrov.
          , by the way, if you are caught in the hunting grounds with any knife by an "official" you can easily sew an attempt to poaching and draw up an appropriate document,

          Yes?! Even if you have ROHA, hunt. ticket and "hunting permit" ?! feel
          1. bistrov.
            bistrov. 10 August 2019 20: 27
            0
            Quote: Tank Hard
            hunt. ticket and "hunting permit" ?!

            Who is talking about a ticket here?
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 10 August 2019 20: 33
              0
              Quote: bistrov.
              Who is talking about a ticket here?

              I. Otherwise, what are you doing there with weapons?
    2. bionik
      bionik 10 August 2019 10: 47
      +3
      Quote: bistrov.
      All these so-called. "Finns" imitate the famous "scout knife" in different versions,

      I got myself here for forestry NR-18 "Kizlyar" (modern interpretation of NR-40), sausage is not very thin to cut, (butt is almost 5mm), but for heaving, chopping chips.


    3. Tank hard
      Tank hard 10 August 2019 13: 09
      +1
      Quote: bistrov.
      All these so-called. "Finns" imitate the famous "scout's knife" in different versions, from the then "our poverty" ..

      Didn't the "scout's knife" go from the Finnish knife? wink
      1. Mordvin 3
        10 August 2019 19: 34
        +3
        Quote: Tank Hard
        Didn't the "scout's knife" go from the Finnish knife?

        And where else? ...
        Before being thrown into the German rear, three lieutenants came to us, ”says Mikhail Vladimirovich,“ on whose belts the Trud-Vach combat knives were fixed. We knew that in the town of Vacha there was the Trud artel, which supplied front-line soldiers with excellent knives. True, they were mostly scouts. But once during the storming of Budapest, we saw a lot of fighters with such knives. They turned out to be from the “officer assault battalion”, which fell not on those who were convicted at the front by a military tribunal, but on officers who were held captive; such battalions were formed in special test camps. Each "checked" was passed through yet another test purgatory - an officer assault battalion ....
        It turned out that these fighters were armed with scarce knives because they had to join the battle, where they could not do without stabbing. Before the attack, it was announced that Mount Gellert, behind which the Royal Palace stood, should be taken with one throw. Who during the attack lies on the ground, will be shot like a coward and an alarmist ....
        And now in front of me are three lieutenants with combat knives “Trud-Vacha” on their belts.

        “We saw these with the officers of the assault battalion,” said one of the Marines.

        “And we are from there.” The assault battalion was dismissed. The commanders left for new officers ...

        https://www.nakop.ru/topic/27516-geroi/?page=3
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        2. Tank hard
          Tank hard 10 August 2019 19: 55
          +1
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          And where else?

          The prototype of the famous "Finnish NKVD" was adopted by N.I. Yezhov. as a model for the Wachin finca: Swedish knives P. Holmberg were produced from about 1925-60.
          [media =https://i3.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/018682/18682543.jpg]
          1. Mordvin 3
            10 August 2019 20: 38
            +2
            Quote: Tank Hard
            The prototype of the famous "Finnish NKVD" was adopted by N.I. Yezhov. as a model for the Wachin finca: Swedish knives P. Holmberg were produced from about 1925-60.

            This is the reasoning of A.A. Maca. And whoever accepted what is there, no one knows for sure.

            This is from the 70's book.

            And this is the Finnish of our All-Union Warden Kalinin. Looks like? wink
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 10 August 2019 20: 48
              0
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              And this is the Finnish of our All-Union Warden Kalinin. Looks like?

              More like this, only the top of the handle is slightly different.
              [media =https://rusknife.com/topic/30576-%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B6-kauhavan-puukkotehdas/]
              1. Mordvin 3
                10 August 2019 20: 54
                +1
                And the tops are exactly the same as the Finnish NKVD ... what And what you refer to is not clear, there is a whole branch.
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 10 August 2019 20: 59
                  0
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  And what you refer to is not clear, there is a whole branch.

                  I tried on this, but my hands are hooks ... request
                  [media=https://rusknife.com/topic/30576-%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B6-kauhavan-puukkotehdas]
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    10 August 2019 21: 03
                    +2
                    Yes, you would at least insert a photo, or something ... There's a branch there. By the way, I am registered there, so it is unlikely that you will surprise me. drinks
                    1. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 10 August 2019 21: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      By the way, I am registered there, so it is unlikely that you will surprise me.

                      No, I'm on the Hansa. drinks
                2. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 10 August 2019 21: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  there is a whole branch

                  Pictured in the branch. but apparently I can’t make the link normally. feel
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    10 August 2019 21: 53
                    +3
                    Quote: Tank Hard
                    Pictured in the branch.

                    There are a lot of photos ... However, they are all in the same style, most often - a fungus, less often - barrels with horses ...
                    1. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 10 August 2019 21: 57
                      0
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      barrels with horse stables.

                      To change the pommel from the horse to the NKVD-shnoe, and it will be very similar to the "Kalinin" one. hi
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        10 August 2019 22: 02
                        +4
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        change from the horse to the NKVD-shnoe, and it will be very similar to the "Kalinin".

                        Nah .... There won't be .... crying By the way, I made the NKVD Finnish photo, and as I did, I measured the dimensions, I was surprised, exactly what happened. He was stunned. belay
                      2. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 10 August 2019 22: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Nah ... It won’t .... By the way, I did the NKVD Finnish photo, and as I did, I measured the dimensions, I was surprised, it turned out exactly. Himself stunned

                        Well, I won't argue. I'm not such a "Finnomaniac". From the Finns, I personally, I like the products of Comrade "Soviet Union" (his "irks" and alterations of bayonets (screwdrivers. So in general!) And Gusevskys., Both from the "Hansa". To the rest - I'm cold ... request
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        10 August 2019 22: 18
                        +3
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        I personally like the products of Comrade "Soviet Union"

                        He cannot catch the hilt. His blades are cool, no doubt, but with the hilt he gets in. IMHO, of course. Well, I don’t want to argue, I’ve only been doing 25 knives for years, and even now and then, from time to time, so when it is drunk in the head.
                      4. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 11 August 2019 18: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I’m only doing 25 years old knives

                        Wow! hi
                      5. Mordvin 3
                        11 August 2019 20: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Wow!

                        Yes, it just happened. At our enterprise, many knives were made. And I, immediately began to sharpen. The head of the shop goes: "Vovan, what are you doing?" Yes, so ... wink And then the bosses ordered me knives.
                      6. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 15 August 2019 20: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        His blades are cool, no doubt, but with the hilt he gets in. IMHO, of course.

                        And what is wrong with the arms? I have three of his products, and all the handles are credited in my opinion.
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                      8. Mordvin 3
                        10 August 2019 22: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Some items that I own.

                        Can you post a photo?
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                      12. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 11 August 2019 19: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Can you post a photo?


                        Finally it turned out to upload a photo.
                      13. Mordvin 3
                        11 August 2019 20: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Finally it turned out to upload a photo.

                        A quick glance - all remodels. feel
                      14. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 11 August 2019 21: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        A quick glance - all remodels.

                        Of course, these are Ermakov's "ants". Myrmidonets has the most credible handle ... But "on my pocket", I carry Coldsteel "voyager XL", "folding bowie" of a kind, relatively light, inertial opening, "correct" blade length, fits well into a pocket, a reliable lock. I don’t carry Fink. request
                      15. Mordvin 3
                        11 August 2019 21: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Of course, these are Ermakov's "ants".

                        I do not understand in principle ...
                      16. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 11 August 2019 21: 29
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I do not understand in principle ...

                        I like Valery Ermakov’s products [media = http: //guns.allzip.org/topic/143/2080460.html]
                        I have kama and bebut, kaltsbager, and comfrey from the Soviet Union. But I'm not interested in antiques. I am interested in "most effective" products, albeit a "remake". wink
  5. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 10 August 2019 07: 26
    +5
    Bravo, Vladimir! Great stuff!
    1. Mordvin 3
      10 August 2019 08: 41
      +6
      About the rubber product I do not know which number I myself did not very long ago recognize. Finca turns ... turns ... into a diving knife. wink

  6. Avior
    Avior 10 August 2019 07: 43
    +3
    Finca as a weapon is some kind of misunderstanding. There is no guard, it hit the bone, and your fingers are on the blade, your tendons are cut.
    Finca is a household knife, not a weapon.
    1. Mordvin 3
      10 August 2019 08: 30
      +7
      Quote: Avior
      Finca is a household knife, not a weapon.

      The Finns did not think so. We went to war with their knives.
      1. Avior
        Avior 10 August 2019 08: 48
        +1
        Well. This is the problem of the Finns, since they did not think of the guard.
        On the other hand, did they use it as a trench?
        A soldier doesn’t have to cut enemies, sausage or bread more often.
        Major Korniliev obviously was not going to cut the enemy with his knife either
      2. ver_
        ver_ 11 August 2019 10: 12
        0
        ..on fishlessness and cancer fish ..
        1. Mordvin 3
          11 August 2019 10: 23
          +2
          Quote: ver_
          and fish cancer ..

          Eeee .... And they made good fishes ...

          1. ver_
            ver_ 11 August 2019 10: 32
            0
            ... in WWII, scouts covered the blade with black special paint - so that there was no shine in the sun, or in the light of the moon ..
            1. Mordvin 3
              11 August 2019 10: 35
              +3
              Quote: ver_
              in WWII, scouts covered the blade with black special paint - so that there was no shine in the sun, or in the light of the moon ..

              Where did you get this? Never heard of this. And what kind of special paint is this?
              1. ver_
                ver_ 11 August 2019 10: 40
                -2
                ... I never was interested in these * trifles * ... It is far from always possible to get close to the sentry .., they used a knife as a throwing weapon ..
                1. Mordvin 3
                  11 August 2019 11: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: ver_
                  never interested in these * little things *.

                  There was no special paint. What for? As in fact, there were practically no stainless steel knives. They were in single copies, either home-made or gift (as for example - a dagger for the 14 anniversary of the Red Army).
                  Or self-made:
                  1. ver_
                    ver_ 11 August 2019 11: 05
                    0
                    ... I don’t think that gouache, or oil paint was used .. - it dried quickly ..
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      11 August 2019 11: 08
                      +2
                      Quote: ver_
                      ... I don’t think that gouache, or oil paint was used .. - it dried quickly ..

                      None used. Bullshit is all that.
                      1. ver_
                        ver_ 11 August 2019 11: 36
                        0
                        ... I don’t think they buried at the stake ...
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        11 August 2019 11: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: ver_
                        ... I don’t think they buried at the stake ...

                        Twenty five again .. winked There is no evidence of black knife blades. What for? Zlatoust and so could not cope with the plan for the production of knives, due to lack of working hands, they were constantly transferred to the production of shells.
                        For army knives, the mission was extremely high - 1 310 000 pieces. But the factory shipped to the front only 388 700 knives. In the report for 1943, the director of the plant, N. N. Shilin, explained that the plan was not fulfilled by the poor provision of labor. The workshop was half-staffed. However, they were often transferred to shell production. Demand for deliveries of 122-millimeter high-explosive shells was incomparably stricter than for cold steel.

                        https://zlatmuseum.ru/science/articles/c221220150822
                      3. ver_
                        ver_ 11 August 2019 12: 10
                        0
                        ... what the scouts at the front did was their business - there were always chemists at the front who could tell - burnishing can be chemical ... maybe in boiling oil ... In the blacksmith they burn the heated steel by cooling (quenching) in oil ... I believe that there are many ways to give a black look to steel, including the interaction of cold steel with some kind of salt solution that will create a black patina on the blade ..
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        11 August 2019 12: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: ver_
                        including the interaction of cold steel with some kind of salt solution that will create a black patina on the blade ..

                        Yes, sorry for the expression, just pos ... you need to urinate on carbon, it will turn black. This is how today's bullshit give new blades as old. Bury in the garden, urinate in that place for a couple of days, and voila, the wedge is black and covered with rust. Look, below someone showed a dagger with a brass guard and top. Heh, it's a pity the pictures are few, but the first impression is a fake.
                      5. ver_
                        ver_ 11 August 2019 12: 20
                        0
                        ... they didn’t start fighting in 1943 .. but hell knows from what time .. I don’t think that the Cossacks - plastunas (scouts) * shone * their knives with brilliance ...
                      6. Mordvin 3
                        11 August 2019 12: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: ver_
                        I don’t think that the Cossacks are plastunas (scouts) * shone * their knives with brilliance ...

                        And where did they get the knives from? Very interesting to me, please tell me.
                      7. ver_
                        ver_ 12 August 2019 02: 51
                        -1
                        ... the most affordable black ink on the front ...
    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 10 August 2019 08: 43
      +1
      Handle the barrel lightly and do not stab but cut. Normally finca is like a chill. And if you stab with two hands.
      1. Avior
        Avior 10 August 2019 09: 23
        -3
        Pricking with two hands and cutting, but not pricking, is this normal?
        I doubt it.
        Moreover, life got better - look at the pictures of military knives in the article
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 10 August 2019 09: 48
          +2
          The facts suggest otherwise. So much the worse for the facts. It is clear that the Finnish as a combat knife is not perfect. However, this did not prevent her from being used for this purpose. Plus, a correctly laced leather lanyard prevents your hand from coming off. There are options.
          1. Avior
            Avior 10 August 2019 12: 04
            -2
            What are the facts?
            Really combat knives got guards.
            And you can stab and scissors. Although imperfect
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 10 August 2019 12: 10
              +3
              And the facts that say that finca was in the pockets of most criminal elements. These people are marginalized and a knife for them is an element of survival. Why without guards? The fact that a combat knife with a guard, stops, dales is more convenient is that I agree with you. But a huge mass of people used ordinary Finnish and did not seek to replace it.
              1. Avior
                Avior 10 August 2019 12: 19
                +4
                I heard that some of the lessons went with cropped tendons as a result, and from there fingers were fan-shaped.
                It seems that until some time Fink was not considered a weapon, and it was convenient to wear a guard without a guard, and it was easier to pull it out of your pocket.
                Butterflies are sometimes considered to be cold weapons, and some are miscarriages, but this does not make them weapons in the classical sense.
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 10 August 2019 12: 41
                  +2
                  Everything is described in the article. And including the law against specifically Finns mentioned. In general, most weapons laws are absurd. What’s cold, what’s gunshot. Each specific weapon is a special case. I will save more each specific user is a special case. In children, we played with Finnish in the yard. They punched plywood. They wrapped the handle with cloth tape and beat. Tendons are intact.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 10 August 2019 12: 49
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                    I wrote a classic understanding.
                    The criminal code has its own views in accordance with its specific purpose.
                  2. German Titov
                    German Titov 10 August 2019 18: 38
                    +1
                    More deaths are not from "finches", but from kitchen knives. In the DPR, responsibility for wearing chemical weapons is not provided for. A friend presented a "finorez" (he did it himself), he did it himself. A kind of "combat-exhibition" sample. I called it "shark tooth". On hand and in "throwing" - with a bang. "It is a pity to take out to the street. So I go with a Swiss penknife. Every knife has its application. A bayonet knife (for everyone) is also available.
                    1. garri-lin
                      garri-lin 10 August 2019 18: 59
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                      Well, I have a five-bayonet bayonet, a couple of finishes of zone work, several tourists and meat cutters. This is due to the fact that the arm fits and is not used everyday.
              2. Avior
                Avior 10 August 2019 12: 21
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                Again, force was the lesson of those times was an important element of their lifestyle.
                Fashionable and practical, not the same thing.
            2. Mordvin 3
              10 August 2019 15: 22
              +4
              Quote: Avior
              What are the facts?

              I don’t remember, but in my opinion, somewhere in a company commander, "the Finn killed 18 of our soldiers.
            3. Mordvin 3
              10 August 2019 15: 54
              +4
              Quote: Avior
              Really combat knives got guards.

              Yes, the Finns did not want to acquire guards. The Finns have such a document: come with their knives to the recruiting station.
              1. Avior
                Avior 10 August 2019 16: 48
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                I looked at the Finnish combat knives of that time. All with guards, for example, the 1939 model of the year
                http://zonwar.ru/xolodnoe/bayonet_knife/Bayonet-knife_Finnish_1939_Mosin_rifle.html
                Yes, based on the classic Finnish knife.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  10 August 2019 20: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Avior
                  I looked at the Finnish combat knives of that time. All with guards, for example, the 1939 model of the year
                  http://zonwar.ru/xolodnoe/bayonet_knife/Bayonet-knife_Finnish_1939_Mosin_rifle.html

                  Yes, they simply threw them away, like our gas masks. Try to find a photo where the Finns went with bayonet-knives. But such - full.

              2. Avior
                Avior 10 August 2019 16: 50
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                And the fact that they came with their knives, they had problems with weapons, they pulled what they could.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  10 August 2019 19: 00
                  +4
                  Quote: Avior
                  And the fact that they came with their knives, they had problems with weapons, they pulled what they could.

                  Yes, the Finns only in the 1977 year or in the 79 (I do not remember exactly) introduced a ban on carrying a knife in the city.
                  And the fact that the Finns were ordered to come to the military enlistment office with their knives, as well as some kind of paper. Reluctance to look ... But Finns with Puuko are full.
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                    1. Mordvin 3
                      11 August 2019 01: 17
                      +1
                      Quote: Avior
                      But it was army knives that were with guards.
                      See, for example, the Finnish Army M19.

                      Their minuscule against the general background. I have seen. And he also saw how modern Finns are carrying classic puukos. Eeee ... You take an interest when the Finns began to produce an army knife. With a guard.
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 11 August 2019 07: 22
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                        At least since 1919, during the First World War, many were preoccupied.
                        It is not clear what the argument is about.
                        The fact that the Finns carried their knives with them is no dispute. Cut bread, salted cod there or something. Item of equipment.
                        On occasion, they could also kill someone n-be too.
                        But combat knives, which the very Finns developed exactly as a weapon, they were all with guards (as in the whole world, by the way), although the influence of the national knife is also traced.
                        But how much they really used in battle is a matter of tactics of warfare.
                        A cuckoo in an ambush a combat knife is only a burden, but an economic one is very useful.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        11 August 2019 08: 20
                        +4
                        Quote: Avior
                        But the combat knives, which the very Finns developed exactly as weapons, they were all with guards

                        Here are the Finnish army knives. Not all of them are with guards. recourse
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        11 August 2019 08: 30
                        +2
                        By the way, they had such:


                        Like ours ...
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 11 August 2019 08: 40
                        0
                        With a guard.
                        And not the commercial crafts of the Finnish colonel from the UN peacekeepers that you cited above.
                      5. Mordvin 3
                        11 August 2019 08: 45
                        +3
                        Quote: Avior
                        With a guard.

                        There were many times more without a guard.
                      6. Avior
                        Avior 11 August 2019 08: 48
                        0
                        It seems to have already discussed this.
                        So folding penknives in the pockets of soldiers can be classified as weapons.
                      7. Mordvin 3
                        11 August 2019 09: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: Avior
                        It seems to have already discussed this.

                        Yeah. Reluctance to look for a document according to which the Finns were ordered to come to the training camp with their knives. In general, I did not initially focus on the Finns, but on our Finns. Someone remembered about the movie "Once, in the summer"? No, nobody ...


                        Or Said’s knife? Also nobody. And by the way, Papanin had a finca with a grip, like Kovpak, with a similar ...
                      8. Avior
                        Avior 11 August 2019 08: 33
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                        After the Second World War, many realized that hand-to-hand combat with the saturation of troops with automatic weapons was a thing of the past, and army knives became universal rather than fighting.
                        Including the m95 that you brought.
                        http://nesusvet.narod.ru/txt/knife/knife_peltonen_sissipuukko.htm
                        And are you sure that he is in service?
                      9. Mordvin 3
                        11 August 2019 08: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: Avior
                        And are you sure that he is in service?

                        Nah ... But, in my opinion, that crap is what I showed above.
                      10. Zaits
                        Zaits 15 August 2019 00: 44
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                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Here are the Finnish army knives. Not all of them are with guards.


                        Strictly speaking, the one without a guard is generally a bayonet for the M60. As an army knife, the AKM bayonet-knife is not much more convenient.

                        And by the way, if it comes to that, the article also mixes a little (a couple of knives at the end of the article are still "puukko").

                        Well, do not confuse our Finns, wartime crafts, etc. with the classic Finnish "puukko" (direct translation of "puukko" from Finnish - just "knife"). The classic Finnish "puukko" is a universal working knife of a farmer, which later mutated into ordinary working knives such as Morowski, etc. I would call his edge a chisel type (on many specimens the point is specially raised, and the angle to the axis is more than 45 degrees), the knife itself is more adapted to planing and picking than to stabbing. And most of the Finnish soldiers in the photographs are ordinary farmers, just used to wearing such knives. And how many of them used their knives as weapons?

                        But the rest of the article is interesting, I read it with pleasure. Thank.

                        P.S. At home lies the pre-war puukko of factory production, brought from Helsingfors after the war by the grandfather of his wife. You take it in your hands and understand that this is the last thing you would take as a weapon. But for small household works - that’s it.
                      11. Mordvin 3
                        15 August 2019 01: 44
                        +1
                        Quote: Zaits
                        Well, do not confuse our Finns, wartime crafts, etc. with the classic Finnish "puukko" (direct translation of "puukko" from Finnish - just "knife"). The classic Finnish "puukko" is a universal working knife of a farmer, which later mutated into ordinary working knives such as Morowski, etc.

                        I know it. However, Finnish-type knives in pre-revolutionary Russia were not only called classic puuko. By the way, do not forget about leuco, the northern knife, also geographically Lapland refers to Finland. I kind of clearly wrote that in the USSR, the Finnish called the most different types of knives, and not just the classic puuko.

                        This book (from where the photo) was published by the All-Russian Research Institute of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR in the 70s [/ cen There are also pre-revolutionary photos where similar knives are called "knives of the Finnish type" in catalogs.
                        Quote: Zaits
                        But the rest of the article is interesting, I read it with pleasure. Thank.

                        Please.
                        Quote: Zaits
                        You take it in your hands and understand that this is the last thing you would take as a weapon. But for small household works - that’s it.

                        However. Collectors from Finland write that there are no military knives in Finland, each comes with his own, this is recorded in the book of a young fighter, but the Finns do not respect the bayonet-knives at all.
                        In general, I set the task to write not only about the classic puuko, but in general what was called "finka" in the USSR. hi
                      12. Zaits
                        Zaits 16 August 2019 22: 16
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                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I know it. However, Finnish-type knives in pre-revolutionary Russia were not only called classic puuko. By the way, do not forget about leuco, the northern knife, also geographically Lapland refers to Finland. I kind of clearly wrote that in the USSR, the Finnish called the most different types of knives, and not just the classic puuko.


                        You do not quite understand me. Not to say the exact opposite.
                        I mean that for all the external similarity, the classic puukko is very far from the "Finnish type" in all its diversity, which was formed in pre-revolutionary Russia.

                        Look at the puukko pre-war output. A thick and relatively narrow blade with large descent angles (even in perfectly preserved ones). And a very characteristic point, often converging at an angle of degrees of 60 or more relative to the axis of the blade. Very often there is a dol near the butt and thinning of the butt itself. Such a puukko is poorly adapted to stitching, but it is very convenient for them to wield as a chisel. Well, scrape, touch ...

                        That is, formally this puukko is also a Finnish type. But by appointment, he is not close to the Finns in their classical sense. In the prevailing understanding, the Finnish is also oriented toward using it as a weapon (how good it is for this is another question), but the classic puukko has never been. A common farmer tool. And these Finnish farm guys took their farm knives with them to the army. And obviously not as a weapon. Then they began to make knives, somewhat more suitable for something else. Although often obtained the same puukko, only worse.

                        So I didn’t have a single question about what you wrote about Finnish. The article is solid and very high quality.
                        And the remark concerned only that pair of puukko at the end of the article. In the sense that in the context they are clearly superfluous. No more.
                      13. Mordvin 3
                        16 August 2019 22: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: Zaits
                        And the remark concerned only that pair of puukko at the end of the article.

                        They simply made very interesting products, sitting in dugouts near Leningrad, using aluminum from crashed planes, so they could not resist, put them in for comparison with ours.
                        By the way, ours also often used knives, which at first glance can hardly be called military knives. This one was found in the boot of the deceased Red Army:
    3. Tank hard
      Tank hard 10 August 2019 13: 16
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      Finca as a weapon is some kind of misunderstanding. There is no guard, it hit the bone, and your fingers are on the blade, your tendons are cut.

      You just don’t know how to cook them ... request
    4. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 10 August 2019 18: 50
      +4
      Pukko - of course. In its classic form, it is designed for cutting movements. That is, you cut a piece of wood, for example, by cutting wood chips, and your hand moves backward along the handle, where the pucco has a convenient tide that prevents slipping.
      But the "finca-knot ... Thanks to the shape of the handle, when poking, the hand rests on this very knot in the back of the handle, that is, it prevents slipping ... the little finger! Also, such a handle is very comfortable when hitting with a reverse grip. On the other hand, it is also convenient to cut a piece of bread, or fix it in small pieces, say, to pick holes in a thick skin with it.
      Both modifications go well as all-rounders - both as a household and as a combat one, just the classic pukko is slightly modified, making the handle a little more oval, "with a belly." The grip of the hand immediately becomes stronger, and now you can hit with it without fear of slipping.
      Well, modern rubber-like black plastic ... beauty! It doesn’t shine, but the knife in his hand is like a glove.
      1. Mordvin 3
        10 August 2019 22: 09
        +4
        Quote: Mikhail3
        In general, the Finca knot is a combat device.

        Wooo ... And I'm talking about the same thing. Universal knife.
  7. Avior
    Avior 10 August 2019 08: 05
    -2
    And by the way, the end of the handle on Fink with a rise up is really inconvenient.
    I had such a Zekov job - I had to turn the handle upside down - it became a convenient knife.
    1. Mordvin 3
      10 August 2019 08: 36
      +5
      Quote: Avior
      And by the way, the end of the handle on Fink with a rise up is really inconvenient.

      I thought so too, until I did this to myself. It is quite convenient, albeit unusual at first.
      1. Avior
        Avior 10 August 2019 08: 51
        -2
        And you have it without overestimation, only a slight hint.
        Look at the first shot in the article and compare.
        1. Mordvin 3
          10 August 2019 09: 30
          +4
          These are artel finca, there was no certain standard.
          [Center]
          1. Avior
            Avior 10 August 2019 09: 53
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            Do you see different ones with yours?
            So I had something similar to this one, I turned the handle over - it became a completely comfortable knife
            1. Mordvin 3
              10 August 2019 16: 26
              +4
              Quote: Avior
              turned over - became quite a convenient knife

              It's not the same for everybody..
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      2. Zaits
        Zaits 16 August 2019 22: 30
        0
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        until I did this to myself

        I don’t know how to handle, but the blade turned out very beautiful.
        I saw something similar, but somehow simpler. Have you come up with?
        1. Mordvin 3
          16 August 2019 22: 55
          +1
          Quote: Zaits
          Have you come up with?

          Yes, he looked like a classic artel (there, a little higher, too, handsome in the photo), from the tools there was one Bulgarian and a drilling machine. Well, of course, a little to my taste, I didn’t take any exact templates. I made it on my knee. What happened is what happened. I like fishing only I take it, not counting the old folding hunter, made in the USSR.
  8. serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 10 August 2019 08: 22
    0
    Specially, in order to find out about REAL Finnish knives, I bought the magazine number * KALASHNIKOV *, I was not impressed, I expected something more formidable in appearance! but the knives are good! at the same time, I understood why I like the scary look of a homemade kitchen knife — it has puukko proportions — the length of the blade is equal to the length of the handle, and the length of the handle is equal to the width of the palm, there are many knives in the kitchen, but for all the work I choose it, it is sharp and good for grinding and sharpening holds for a long time
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 10 August 2019 08: 46
      +1
      Cloths from frame saws go well on such knives. Well, or railway tracks for metal, those that cut the rails. Rust only if careless. And steel is a beast.
      1. serg.shishkov2015
        serg.shishkov2015 10 August 2019 10: 12
        +1
        Two homemade knives - this and his * brother * appeared with us about 40 years ago and I don’t know what they are made of. I studied metal science in 86-88 on the Criminal Procedural Code, first as a plumber from a crumbling experimental team, and then as a turner and all my knowledge in this matter has long evaporated like alcohol in the sun
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 10 August 2019 10: 51
          +3
          Well, alcohol evaporates in the sun. It is necessary to recycle alcohol.
          1. serg.shishkov2015
            serg.shishkov2015 10 August 2019 10: 55
            +2
            I agree! I really like the smell of clean, but I never risked trying, even as a student in the Faculty of Biology and Chemistry!
  9. Plague doctor
    Plague doctor 10 August 2019 09: 36
    +2
    I never liked Finnish, I mean not the handicraft in the form of our homemade goods, but the classic Finnish. And the butt is thick, and the slopes are not convenient for cutting and planing, and the handle is not very comfortable. And also the sheath into which the knife enters about half of its handle looks ugly. But as they say it tastes and tastes ..... And so the article is interesting
  10. TatrA-50
    TatrA-50 10 August 2019 14: 27
    +3
    Here I got such a comfrey, without stamps. It was said that before belonged to his grandfather, a scout seaman.

    1. Mordvin 3
      10 August 2019 15: 29
      0
      Quote: TatrA-50
      Here I got such a comfrey, without stamps. It was said that before belonged to his grandfather, a scout seaman.


      Bullshit, I'm sorry, looks like a dagger of the Izhora battalion, but bullshit.
      1. TatrA-50
        TatrA-50 10 August 2019 16: 44
        +1
        Why bullshit? I don’t know much about knives, bayonets, and so on. the previous owner chopped the nails, there was no chipping, the thickness of the blade was about 4 mm
        1. Mordvin 3
          10 August 2019 19: 08
          +2
          Quote: TatrA-50
          Why bullshit?

          The dagger of the Izhora battalion was mounted on rivets. About through installation - there is no information.
  11. Tank hard
    Tank hard 10 August 2019 16: 18
    +3
    I read the comments about the fact that the Finnish knife is not a combat knife, there is no lanyard needed (where is the lanyard for Finnish knives ?!). Actually the video for VO participants, educational program on "Finnish grip" (aka screwdriver). I have women know how to hold such knives "correctly" when pricking, so as not to damage the hand. Please note that it is best to keep the blade flat parallel to the ground, and the cutting edge "inward, so that when pricking Pigs, the blade marvelously passed between the ribs and was not stuck in the bone. The video is not mine. hi
    1. Avior
      Avior 10 August 2019 19: 53
      +1
      No one doubts that a Finnish knife can kill a person.
      But we are talking about weapons, not a way to keep the logos
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 10 August 2019 20: 04
        +1
        Quote: Avior
        But we are talking about weapons, not a way to keep the logos

        A weapon does not make a weapon a name (like "combat knife"), and skills"the operator". wink
        1. Avior
          Avior 10 August 2019 23: 22
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          Tell the judge laughing
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 11 August 2019 19: 19
            0
            Quote: Avior
            Tell the judge

            We communicate in training ... feel
          2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
            Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 August 2019 15: 01
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            Well, first to the investigators, and then see and talk with the judge!
      2. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 10 August 2019 21: 50
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        You yourself slaughtered a pig? A person? A chicken’s head was slaughtered? Only honestly?
        1. Avior
          Avior 10 August 2019 23: 29
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          If you tell me, you had to cut a pig, you had to cut a chicken throat and chop it.
          Only they did not fight back, and the pig threw a loop on his leg in advance to turn it over, beforehand I focused and took the knife in my hand.
    2. Zaits
      Zaits 15 August 2019 01: 48
      0
      Quote: Tank Hard
      so that when injecting a pig, the blade marvelously passed between the ribs


      And what if a flask with cognac appears in front of the ribs? Etc., etc.
      Just don’t say that pigs don’t carry flasks.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 15 August 2019 20: 07
        +3
        Quote: Zaits
        And what if a flask with cognac appears in front of the ribs?

        And if suddenly a cuirass, bulletproof vest, laminated protection, a cast-iron frying pan, for example ... And if suddenly, a friend was not a friend, but ... wink
        Quote: Zaits
        Just don’t say that pigs don’t carry flasks.

        Yes, you can put on a pig anything, the owner would have wished .... request

        PS What questions, such and answers. feel
  12. Gogia
    Gogia 12 August 2019 19: 42
    +3
    Well, well, the "hot Finnish guys" went their separate ways
    It's just some kind of holiday ...
    Here's my crafting puukko with Helle Blade
    True, the tree is not northern, but rather amaranth.
    1. Zaits
      Zaits 15 August 2019 01: 27
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      Quote: Gogia
      Here's my crafting puukko with Helle Blade


      Handsomely. There is no doubt.

      But in general, not quite puukko. Rather, based on. The shape of the blade is purely modern, similar to the blades of modern working knives. But the understatement of the tip is clearly not the topic. In the end, taking into account the handle, much for the amateur.

      Here is my old unkillable Mora almost 30 years old and without any motives will still be more convenient and practical. Just a great working knife without any gadgets, no more. At the beginning of the 90s it cost me about $ 2 (on sale). And never arose the idea to replace with something else.

      Weak what to do such a thread, albeit not for $ 2?
  13. Captain45
    Captain45 17 August 2019 20: 58
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    In 2013 or 14 on "VO" there was an article from the magazine "Brother" "Finka, a thug legend", the author Wolf Mazur, in my opinion more fully presented, unfortunately did not keep the link.
  14. exo
    exo 22 August 2019 13: 43
    +1
    Well, if Andrei Arturovich allowed to use the epigraph and photo, then everything is in order;)
    Knives with a guard, excluding scouts, with a peculiar design, are more like knives of the "Norwegian type". I managed to hold in my hands a number of gift knives from our soldiers, for the command staff. They have a soul, but ergonomics are not very good. Even in comparison with the NA-40 (or as it turns out: the AN-41).
    1. Mordvin 3
      24 August 2019 04: 48
      +1
      Quote: exo
      allowed to use an epigraph

      Hello! For the photo, of course, many thanks to him, but what about Yesenin? winked
      Quote: exo
      It was possible to hold in hand a number of gift knives from our fighters, for the command staff. The soul is in them, but ergonomics are not very.

      Eh, I re-read it, I think that I didn’t really try. After all, I could write better and in more detail ... Hands-hookscrying

      Was that type held?
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 27 August 2019 05: 01
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        I read the article and comments! fellow
        Wonderful article, Vladimir! I regret that I missed it then, but read it only now!
        Snmki, explanations ----- good good
        Separately about the comments. This is not the first time I have noticed what good comments on your articles.
        You are able to cover the topic and bring people together. wink
  15. exo
    exo 24 August 2019 12: 05
    +1
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: exo
    allowed to use an epigraph

    Hello! For the photo, of course, many thanks to him, but what about Yesenin? winked
    Quote: exo
    It was possible to hold in hand a number of gift knives from our fighters, for the command staff. The soul is in them, but ergonomics are not very.

    Eh, I re-read it, I think that I didn’t really try. After all, I could write better and in more detail ... Hands-hookscrying

    Was that type held?

    As for Yesenin, I agree. It’s just used in a similar forum topic that you mention.
    Knife, based on the bitch, I don't remember something. But based on the "Siege Finn with a homemade handle", there were. And free variations on the theme of NA-40 and on knives of the Norwegian type. Variants without a guard (classic pukko) were not common.
    But my beauty, just the time of the Second World War