Ukraine intends to purchase EMB-314 Super Tucano turboprop attack aircraft

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Ukraine is considering the purchase of Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano turboprop combat training aircraft in Brazil. A delegation of the Ukrainian Air Force has already arrived in Sao Paulo. This is reported by the Brazilian web resource Infodefensa.com.

Ukraine intends to purchase EMB-314 Super Tucano turboprop attack aircraft




According to the portal, a delegation of the Ukrainian Air Force, led by their commander, Colonel General Sergey Drozdov, arrived in Brazilian Sao Paulo, where she held talks with the leadership of the military division of the Brazilian company Embraer. The negotiation issue is the possibility of acquiring the Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano turboprop combat training aircraft.

It is reported that the commander in chief of the Ukrainian Air Force flew on an A-29 (EMB-314 Super Tucano) aircraft from the 3rd squadron of the 3rd aviation Brazilian Air Force groups at Campo Grande airbase.

The details of the negotiations were not disclosed, however, it is known that Ukraine intends to purchase aircraft through the United States and through American funding under the same program under which these aircraft were delivered to Afghanistan, Lebanon and Nigeria.

According to Brazilians, Ukraine considers Super Tucano aircraft as a fairly cheap and affordable version of a combat aircraft against the backdrop of more expensive American and European aircraft for the use of aircraft in the demarcation zone in the Donbass. At the same time, it is assumed that before delivery the aircraft will be partially modernized for the use of Soviet-style ammunition, as well as equipped with modern electronic equipment, which would make it possible to use them in the conflict zone.

The number of aircraft that Ukraine intends to acquire is not reported.
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  1. -51
    6 August 2019 18: 51
    Super Toucanchik is an excellent counterguerrilla aircraft. A good choice!
    1. +57
      6 August 2019 18: 57
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Super Toucanchik is an excellent counterguerrilla aircraft. A good choice!

      and great flying target
      1. -87
        6 August 2019 18: 59
        and great flying target

        No more than Su-25.
        1. +36
          6 August 2019 19: 06
          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          No more than Su-25.

          The "Rook" actually has 2 engines and it means that it is at least 2 times tenacious.
          1. -50
            6 August 2019 19: 07
            The "Rook" actually has 2 engines and it means that it is at least 2 times tenacious.

            Sometimes it saves, sometimes not.
            Here, depending on how the missiles arrive and what they knock out.
            1. +39
              6 August 2019 19: 16
              Rook is actually a plane with armored vehicles .. "flying tank"
              1. +22
                6 August 2019 19: 50
                According to Brazilians, Ukraine considers Super Tucano aircraft as a fairly cheap and affordable version of a combat aircraft against the backdrop of more expensive American and European

                They rolled down to propeller airplanes)) Maybe they can offer the MiG - 3 batch cheaper. We’ll sell the technology, and we will localize production in Sumeria itself))
                1. +4
                  6 August 2019 20: 29
                  Quote: krot
                  Maybe they should offer the party Mig - 3 cheaper ..

                  Do not revolt No.
                  It’s like gas through third countries laughing
                2. +6
                  6 August 2019 21: 46
                  [/ Quote]
                  They rolled up to propeller-driven aircraft)) Maybe they should offer the MiG-3 batch cheaper. We’ll sell the technology and localize the production in the Sumeria itself)) [/ quote]

                  Fundamentally, they won’t buy it, firstly it’s a fighter, secondly it’s Soviet and thirdly they need an attack aircraft. rather they will buy in mattresses in some sort of private museum * used * Republik P-47D Thunderbolt or some kind of Hellcat and a bunch of hvar to them
                  1. +16
                    7 August 2019 05: 59
                    No, you're wrong. They will be sweeter and more patriotic than Junkers Ju 87.
                    1. +4
                      7 August 2019 12: 28
                      No, * the owners * are not the same, the Germans will not sell them anything laughing
                3. +5
                  6 August 2019 22: 49
                  Following them in Mexico, carts will be purchased
                  1. 0
                    7 August 2019 01: 55
                    Of course the cars of the "Rostovites" .. But through Brazil where there are many wild monkeys.
                4. +40
                  6 August 2019 22: 54
                  And once there they built the AN-225 Mriya ... The history of Ukraine’s aviation industry ended with the purchase of SuperTukano turboprops. Take the corpse away ...
                  1. +5
                    7 August 2019 09: 32
                    Quote: cormorant
                    purchase of turbo-prop SuperTukano

                    correct decision
                    as they say - according to Senka and a hat
                  2. +9
                    7 August 2019 13: 23
                    Quote: cormorant
                    And once there they built the AN-225 Mriya ... The history of Ukraine’s aviation industry ended with the purchase of SuperTukano turboprops. Take the corpse away ...

                    Yeah ... Once upon a time in Ukraine aircraft carriers, tanks, ballistic missiles, the largest aircraft in the world were built ... The additional ones were reordered.
                5. +6
                  6 August 2019 23: 09
                  The descendants of ancient ukrov themselves can not buy anything, live in begging. Why they don’t understand the planes, in the Donbass it will not work out, the loss of statehood is then inevitable. Most likely, the United States, passing a gesheft through itself, wants to tweak a little budget. Decommissioned coast guard ships from the same opera.
                6. +4
                  6 August 2019 23: 57
                  Quote: krot
                  According to Brazilians, Ukraine considers Super Tucano aircraft as a fairly cheap and affordable version of a combat aircraft against the backdrop of more expensive American and European

                  They rolled down to propeller airplanes)) Maybe they can offer the MiG - 3 batch cheaper. We’ll sell the technology, and we will localize production in Sumeria itself))

                  I do not really believe that the Brazilian will buy)))
                  So .. affiliated guys, with a smart look, go to the resorts, at the state expense and surcharges))
                7. 0
                  7 August 2019 00: 38
                  Mig 3 is painfully cool, but An2 is the most.
                8. 0
                  7 August 2019 00: 50
                  Quote: krot
                  Maybe they should offer the party Mig - 3 cheaper ..

                  It is more reasonable to offer IL-2
                9. 0
                  7 August 2019 05: 14
                  But I wonder how much the Su-25 and the same IL-10 are worth. And use from an economic point of view: operational costs, combat effectiveness, etc.? And given the modern content?
                  1. +3
                    7 August 2019 18: 29
                    Quote: Andrey NM
                    But I wonder how much the Su-25 and the same IL-10

                    I don’t know how much it costs, but according to the official data of the Afghan Air Force, the Mi-8 flight hour is $ 1000, and the Super Tukano flight hour is $ 600.
                10. The comment was deleted.
              2. 0
                7 August 2019 10: 37
                only a cabin and one engine.
            2. -2
              6 August 2019 20: 28
              Quote: Jack O'Neill
              Here, depending on how the missiles arrive and what they knock out.

              Are you serious?
              Then it may be that planes do not fly at all, otherwise the SAM will fly in the wrong place?
              1. -14
                6 August 2019 21: 51
                Are you serious?
                Then it may be that planes do not fly at all, otherwise the SAM will fly in the wrong place?

                Maybe, but the question is not for me, but for those who have all the "flying targets".
                There is always a risk of catching something.
          2. -1
            7 August 2019 09: 30
            Quote: Lipchanin
            n tenacious at least 2 times

            soon at 22
        2. KCA
          +45
          6 August 2019 19: 31
          SU-25 after being hit by "Stinger", at the base, flew
          1. -37
            6 August 2019 21: 52
            SU-25 after being hit by "Stinger", at the base, flew


            He did not fly.
            1. KCA
              +7
              7 August 2019 02: 09
              As they say, you know better, maybe he didn’t reach the base, but made a soft landing, even the chassis didn’t fly off, you won’t deny it?
        3. +8
          6 August 2019 19: 35
          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          and great flying target

          No more than Su-25.

          You know better, tell me something
          1. 0
            6 August 2019 23: 58
            On hardly!)) There posts, as an axiom))
        4. +33
          6 August 2019 20: 05
          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          No more than Su-25.

          in size, of course, smaller than the Su-25, but do not compare warm to soft. Su-25 is an order of magnitude more difficult goal. It is also a factor of speed and maneuverability and armor protection. Tukanchik is an ersatz that is suitable only for patrolling and dispersing marginals. Donbass beats him and spit it out.
          1. +6
            6 August 2019 20: 27
            Yes, and 25-small! But how harnesses are hung on him, one wonders how it all flies! I saw our, Luhansk Rook. . There’s nothing to look at! L-39-quite comparable in length. Although rook-wide!)))
          2. +1
            6 August 2019 20: 32
            Quote: avdkrd
            Tukanchik is an ersatz that is suitable only for patrolling and dispersing marginals.

            And the classification of the machine speaks for itself. Training combat. i.e. it is primarily a training
          3. -15
            6 August 2019 21: 53
            Tukanchik is an ersatz that is suitable only for patrolling and dispersing marginals. Donbass beats him and spit it out.

            Suddenly, but I wrote that he was counter-guerrilla.
            1. +7
              6 August 2019 23: 26
              I mean, drive banderlog for caches? Sorry, I didn’t understand right away.
          4. +5
            6 August 2019 22: 04
            Probably, "Toucans" are good against them "Geril", whatever they are called there, but in reality they are often illiterate junkies. Against such people, this is a very serious thing, but if the enemy has good air defense systems and, most importantly, knows how to use it
            1. +2
              6 August 2019 23: 07
              A drug addict, if they are Colombian, has the highest quality mercenaries. Cocaine grandmother enough for this))
              1. +4
                6 August 2019 23: 31
                A drug addict, if they are Colombian, has the highest quality mercenaries. Cocaine grandmother enough for this))
                This does not stop them from breathing in batches in Yemen, where they are recruited by the Saudis and emirates ......
                1. +2
                  6 August 2019 23: 35
                  laughing
                  These are not the mercenaries that the Saudis and other Zalivnikoa
        5. A5V
          +21
          6 August 2019 20: 23
          Yeah, compare with Thunderbolt. The Su-25 is a full-fledged attack aircraft specially designed for operation in conditions of strong opposition from enemy air defenses. "Super Tucano" - originally a trainer, which can be used as a light attack aircraft. Such planes can be useful in low-intensity conflicts, fighting small partisan or sabotage groups, drug trafficking, etc. It can be used, for example, as a reconnaissance aircraft or a patrol aircraft. But definitely not like an attack aircraft on a territory stuffed with MANPADS and anti-aircraft installations.

          In terms of survivability, there is a gap between them. The Su-25 is much better armored, has two engines (moreover, spaced apart from each other), its vital systems are also protected and duplicated by capacity. In Super Tucano, all protection comes down to a small cockpit armor.
          1. -32
            6 August 2019 21: 55
            Yeah, compare with Thunderbolt. Su-25 is a full-fledged attack aircraft, specially developed for operation in the conditions of strong opposition to enemy air defense.

            Brad.

            But it’s certainly not like an attack aircraft on a territory stuffed with MANPADS and anti-aircraft installations.

            Like the Su-25. Although, this applies to any attack aircraft ...

            In Super Tucano, all protection comes down to a small cockpit armor.

            No one argues.
            1. A5V
              +14
              6 August 2019 23: 14
              This "nonsense" is written in almost any book or article devoted to this aircraft.

              Any attack aircraft of the Su-25, A-9 or anti-tank A-10 type is essentially designed to operate in conditions of a strong enemy air defense. Well, simply, because the concept of an attack aircraft usually assumes a long stay above the front line, replete with various air defense systems (from MANPADS to assault rifles), and even at a low altitude, where it is easier to hit the plane. Therefore, such aircraft have good survivability: high strength, good armor, spaced-apart and protected key systems, etc. Su-25 and A-10 withstood the impact of missiles. "Super Tucano" is unlikely to be able to repeat this, Very unlikely. Although he does not need it, tk. aircraft of a different type.
          2. -1
            7 August 2019 02: 00
            And a very small pilot anus compressed to the point.
        6. +11
          6 August 2019 20: 29
          No, well, comparing these cars is like comparing an ATV with an armored personnel carrier. The first, of course, has an advantage in small size, but in the conditions of the war in the Donbas, sending it to an attack means "feeding a bird" to the ZSU ears and other shooters, not to mention MANPADS.
        7. +6
          6 August 2019 20: 31
          You are either stupid, which I doubt, or a troll. Your opinion is interesting to the pan-and-panhead, and there you have a place. And here, justify caressing, or sniff and choke silently ......
        8. +1
          7 August 2019 20: 58
          There are quite a few photos of the damage to the Su-25, the Tushkan will not stand this. Let them take, we get these. As for me, on the front line is more dangerous than a turntable.
      2. +18
        6 August 2019 19: 03
        Super Toucanchik is an excellent counterguerrilla aircraft.


        Against the partisans of Latin America, yes.

        and great flying target


        For the armies of the DNI and LC. Or recall how many aircraft lost in the 2014 year of aviation?
        1. -31
          6 August 2019 19: 06
          Against the partisans of Latin America, yes.

          If the zone is not saturated with MANPADS, then in the Donbass it is quite.

          For the armies of the DNI and LC. Or recall how many aircraft lost in the 2014 year of aviation?

          They landed both Su-25 and Mi-24. MANPADS do not allow everyone to fly.
          1. 0
            6 August 2019 22: 06
            How can it be in war - "if the zone is not saturated with MANPADS"
      3. -3
        6 August 2019 19: 53
        Helicopters fly like that! Although the targets are also excellent
        1. +3
          7 August 2019 07: 14
          since 2014 helicopters do not fly)))
      4. +1
        7 August 2019 21: 26
        Quote: Balu
        and great flying target

        Not really. For IR GOS, it is not an easy target. It is a turboprop, it has much less hot parts from the outside, and the exhaust is diluted with a cold stream from the propeller. There is no red-hot jet nozzle and a huge jet of hot gas.
        It is necessary to aim at this either visually or by radar.
    2. +21
      6 August 2019 18: 59
      I would say "anti-vodikar". With a small hint of the existence of air defense, the aircraft is useless.
      1. -17
        6 August 2019 19: 01
        I would say "anti-vodikar". With a small hint of the existence of air defense, the aircraft is useless.

        The same with helicopters. What we are going to do?
        1. +9
          6 August 2019 19: 08
          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          The same with helicopters. What we are going to do?

          Are you sure? We’ll omit the installation of turntables on the turntable now for helicopter over-the-body radars, but do you doubt the same mobility and maneuverability of helicopters?
          1. -17
            6 August 2019 19: 11
            Are you sure? We’ll omit the installation of turntables on the turntable now for helicopter over-the-body radars, but do you doubt the same mobility and maneuverability of helicopters?

            Show me where the "overhead radars" are


            But do you doubt the same mobility and maneuverability of helicopters?

            Not. Why do you think so?
            1. +17
              6 August 2019 19: 18
              Quote: Jack O'Neill
              Show me where the "overhead radars" are

              Well, take a look ...

              These will search for targets, and those without such radars will hit them, including by the jump method, because of obstacles and from a hovering position. A plane cannot repeat such a maneuver
              Quote: Jack O'Neill
              Not. Why do you think so?

              And with the fact that their super-maneuverability is their main advantage in relation to the plane in the fight against air defense systems
              1. -12
                6 August 2019 21: 57
                Mi-28 direct dominance in the Donbass.
        2. +10
          6 August 2019 19: 09
          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          The same with helicopters. What we are going to do

          And to cover the attack aircraft with aircraft ..... because serious air defense is not everywhere and especially not everyone has it! But fighter aircraft for attack aircraft and helicopters full kirdyk!
          Let’s get back to that .... the toucan against the barmaley, quite, quite!
          1. -13
            6 August 2019 19: 13
            But fighter aircraft for attack aircraft and helicopters full kirdyk!

            By itself. But fortunately, partisans, as a rule, do not have fighter aircraft. Although Tsesna can go on a ram.
            1. +5
              6 August 2019 19: 18
              Tsesna is nimble, but speed and stuff aren’t ah .... even a helicopter can beat off if it notices on time!
              1. -6
                6 August 2019 21: 57
                Tsesna is nimble, but speed and stuff aren’t ah .... even a helicopter can beat off if it notices on time!

                About Cesna was sarcasm.
                1. +1
                  7 August 2019 08: 19
                  Quote: Jack O'Neill
                  About Cesna was sarcasm.

                  Who will understand those "barmaleevs, partisans" ??? The passenger Boeing was also not a military product, but it crashed so, sho waves went around the world!
                  1. +1
                    7 August 2019 12: 01
                    Who will understand those "barmaleevs, partisans" ???

                    Another barmaley, partisans.)
        3. +5
          6 August 2019 19: 23
          Give up. And do not waste the hryvnia on all sorts of nonsense.
        4. +11
          6 August 2019 20: 46
          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          The same with helicopters. What we are going to do?

          With such? Nothing lol
          1. 0
            6 August 2019 22: 11
            This is the first time I see a helicopter on tracks. In my opinion this is a fantasy of the artist
            1. +5
              6 August 2019 22: 35
              Quote: Astra wild
              In my opinion this is a fantasy of the artist

              More like a photoshop :)
              1. +3
                6 August 2019 23: 30
                Greetings, Ivan. It seems that the photoshop is spiritually close to us.
          2. 0
            7 August 2019 02: 27
            Interesting thing, Photoshop
      2. +5
        6 August 2019 20: 30
        While in the LPR there was no air defense, such machines, if they were from the Europeans, they would have done troubles! Now it’s just a training plane!
      3. 0
        7 August 2019 00: 50
        Yes, in Afghanistan, in the presence of MZA and MANPADS, the Majahideen had rooks as the main "arm length" along with artillery. Don't write nonsense.
    3. +1
      6 August 2019 18: 59
      There is no trace of BRICS. I do not think that under Dilma this would be possible. Our Russian Foreign Ministry does not say anything at least that it is not in the spirit of our partnership and an unwanted deal? Anglo-Saxons usually do this. Oh well, let them buy this stuff. This is not our reliable Su-25 with titanium armor, this is a new piloting school, and new spare parts, and weapons. All this time, money and nerves.
      1. +4
        6 August 2019 19: 11
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Our Russian Foreign Ministry will not say anything at least that it is not in the spirit of our partnership

        And what kind of RF in general, like other countries, have the right to indicate to another country what to buy?
        Do you want to make fools of the Russian Federation when they poke our nose into this "statement"?
        Anglo-Saxons usually do this.

        And they always look like fools
        1. 0
          8 August 2019 13: 06
          Quote: Lipchanin
          And they always look like fools

          As with the Turks hi
      2. +13
        6 August 2019 19: 16
        There is no trace of BRICS

        Do you know why? Because it never existed this of your BRICS, nowhere except nonsense in the press.
      3. +8
        6 August 2019 21: 00
        Brix was created as an economic platform where trade issues were solved, the rest is the speculation of Iksperdov and other talkers
    4. +11
      6 August 2019 19: 05
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Super Toucanchik is an excellent counterguerrilla aircraft. A good choice!

      Well, yes, only the partisans remained as a target in Ukraine to find for them.
      1. HAM
        +3
        6 August 2019 19: 25
        That's just the point - in Kuev they already know that the partisans will appear, here they are getting ready ...
      2. +2
        6 August 2019 22: 05
        And also the jungle in addition! How about without jungle jerboa?
      3. +1
        8 August 2019 13: 07
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Jack O'Neill
        Super Toucanchik is an excellent counterguerrilla aircraft. A good choice!

        Well, yes, only the partisans remained as a target in Ukraine to find for them.

        And Ukraine is far from Brazil in terms of climate!
    5. +2
      6 August 2019 19: 12
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Super Toucanchik is an excellent counterguerrilla aircraft. A good choice!

      Yeah, they will storm from 3,5 km: D
      1. +11
        6 August 2019 20: 21
        Why with a 3,5 ceiling of 10, it’s quite a plane



        large scheme https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Embraer-Super-Tucano.jpg?x95136
        1. 0
          7 August 2019 09: 25
          Quote: Pajama
          Why with a 3,5 ceiling of 10, it’s quite a plane



          large scheme https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Embraer-Super-Tucano.jpg?x95136

          The ceiling may be 10, and the main MANPADS 3
          1. 0
            7 August 2019 17: 25
            Willow has 4 500m,
            1. -1
              7 August 2019 21: 38
              Quote: Pajama
              Willow has 4 500m,

              The willow yes, but not the fact that the DNI have them
    6. +5
      6 August 2019 20: 48
      Super Toucanchik is an excellent counterguerrilla aircraft. A good choice!

      To the first shilka laughing
      1. +1
        7 August 2019 00: 24
        By the way, by the way, I also thought about shilka0))))))) A better tunguska) 00
    7. +8
      6 August 2019 21: 25
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      A good choice!

      There is an option even better.
      1. +1
        6 August 2019 23: 11
        Here the commentator delivers no less than maize)))
    8. +2
      6 August 2019 21: 57
      Are there partisans on the outskirts ??)))
      1. +3
        6 August 2019 22: 30
        Lexey Today, 21:57 NEW

        Are there partisans on the outskirts ??)))


        Today, partisans, alas, no. Bandera won ...

        I’m not sure that any of the words used above is not obscene in VO.
        1. 0
          7 August 2019 22: 12
          Not sure - do not write (joke) And what is wrong with my words?
          1. +2
            7 August 2019 23: 38
            Yes, this is a new feature of the anti-robot robot. He adds this to the posts of those whom he suspects of circumventing the antimat.
    9. +3
      6 August 2019 22: 04
      Oh Tse Dilo! Number more - at a cheaper price. This is from hopelessness. What rolls in Africa and Afghanistan will not ride in the Donbass near the Russian Federation, under its umbrella, air defense and missile defense.
    10. +2
      7 August 2019 00: 48
      And its price is "excellent", about 15 lyamas .... For this money, you can buy a normal attack aircraft ... Although they will not pay ...
    11. -1
      7 August 2019 02: 13
      Well done! Now log in and go to the grantee’s degradant account!) And then you can send it to the grantor, the day was not in vain;)!
    12. 0
      7 August 2019 08: 00
      In Russia, in the Grudinin Design Bureau there are developments that are much better than the "Super Tucano". In addition, "Super Tucano" is not very suitable for the European TVD.
    13. 0
      7 August 2019 09: 03
      With one caveat - against the guerrillas AT ALL who do not have any means of air defense and with one rusty machine for the detachment.
      1. 0
        7 August 2019 18: 33
        Quote: Yrec
        With one caveat - against the guerrillas AT ALL who do not have any means of air defense and with one rusty machine for the detachment.

        Afghanistan and Yemen show the opposite.
    14. 0
      7 August 2019 10: 53
      Iudobandera got partisans? Probably in the Carpathians.
    15. +1
      7 August 2019 12: 24
      You can’t give fools and sticks to hands.
    16. +4
      7 August 2019 15: 56
      What will they be minded for? Indeed, the Toucan is indeed a very dangerous aircraft. In the conditions of war in the Donbass it will show itself very well. The choice is really good. Minus, only because it was bought not by us, but by dill .. At least it's stupid. True, the Toucans will not be easy either. People’s police and corps are not poorly equipped with air defense systems. But the enemy is dangerous.
      1. +2
        7 August 2019 18: 38
        Quote: shark
        Why are they minded?

        Because we have some sick attitude towards "anti-guerrilla aircraft." And for some reason they are trying to compare them with heavy attack aircraft, when in fact they are a cheap and quite effective analogue of modern attack helicopters / attack UAVs. And when using VTO, they are capable of striking beyond the range of MANPADS. Not to mention lower costs for pilot training, economy and greater speed. Among the minuses: there is no radar station similar to those on modern attack helicopters and there is no possibility to perform maneuvers available to helicopters (vertical takeoff and landing, hovering, etc.).
    17. 0
      7 August 2019 19: 57
      Welcome to the battlefield! - said ZU, "Arrows", "Needles" and other light anti-aircraft systems.
      The pan-gunheads, as always thought with a saucepan - Tukan, is a counter-guerrilla attack aircraft against a lightly armed enemy and having nothing stronger than an RPG.
      1. 0
        8 August 2019 13: 03
        Let's see what you say when the link of very low-noise Toucans appears on the treetops of a forest belt in low-level flight. At the same time, giving a volley of NURS. No, of course, the Arrows and Needles will start to activate, aim, and in the end they will knock someone ... But how many lives will it cost?
        1. 0
          8 August 2019 18: 02
          The lifespan of these attack aircraft on the battlefield, or even so, unexpectedly because of the trees, will be an order of magnitude lower than that of the same SU-25s - even on them, the saucepans were afraid to "work" from low altitudes. But their speed and armor and weapons are much better. For the jungle, the Toucan can ride, but for the forest-steppe plain there is no longer.
          But, in general, this is their problem. Who is the doctor ... I won’t even regret it.
    18. 0
      8 August 2019 17: 21
      This is a piece of flying low-speed and unarmored garbage for 20 million. In the conditions of Donbass, they and 5 will not extend minutes over LBS. Even without northerners with their bagels and turtles. Glad for ukrov, I hope they will buy more. For all
  2. wow
    +4
    6 August 2019 18: 55
    And "pennies e" !? Or are they again expecting to be presented ...?
    1. +7
      6 August 2019 18: 59
      Ukraine intends to purchase aircraft through the United States and through American funding under the same program under which these aircraft were delivered to Afghanistan, Lebanon and Nigeria.
      1. +1
        6 August 2019 22: 31
        Northern Somalia 404.

        I’m not sure that any of the words used above is not obscene in VO.
    2. 0
      6 August 2019 19: 04
      wow
      You forget who their main sponsor is. It will be necessary, the United States will print them as much as necessary. They will find "pennies" or again get into debt. They are no strangers.
  3. +7
    6 August 2019 18: 55
    Yeah ... not what, power is progressing :) next time they will buy war chariots.
    1. 0
      6 August 2019 19: 00
      It is reported that the commander of the Ukrainian Air Force flew on an A-29 (EMB-314 Super Tucano) aircraft from the 3rd squadron of the 3rd Brazilian Air Force group at Campo Grande airbase.

      Those. skakuasy alone is no longer able to fly over the ocean. I will not say that it pleases, I just want to note the degradation, which is progressing exponentially.
    2. +3
      6 August 2019 20: 10
      Quote: Labrador
      :) Next time they will buy war chariots.
      Well, before the war chariot they still have stages ...
    3. +1
      6 August 2019 22: 19
      So they themselves export super-duper tanks, and Israel does not export its "Merkava". My son told me that the Israeli Merkava is a "chariot".
  4. +10
    6 August 2019 18: 56
    The details of the negotiations were not disclosed, however, it is known that Ukraine intends to purchase aircraft through the United States and through American funding under the same program under which these aircraft were delivered to Afghanistan, Lebanon and Nigeria.
    Here it is the real place of dill, between Afghanistan and Nigeria. SUGS
  5. +1
    6 August 2019 18: 56
    I do not like the term "counterguerrilla". Concepts are substituted.

    But the decision itself is sound. It is only necessary to produce such aircraft, and not to purchase.
    1. +2
      6 August 2019 19: 17
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      But the decision itself is sound. It is only necessary to produce such aircraft, and not to purchase.

      Where to produce?
      Do they have a manufacturing base for this?
      And what weapons have they "produced" for all their "independence"?
      Solid zilch and fakes.
      They even plainly cannot modernize old Soviet weapons.
      The last squeak of "modernization" is a heavy machine gun with a silencer from a moped, or have you seen a motorcycle?
      1. 0
        6 August 2019 20: 15
        For each production there is a minimum expedient lot. If you don’t bother with high-tech, then pieces of 10-15 conventional IL-10m2 per year can be done a lot where.
        1. 0
          6 August 2019 20: 40
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          a year you can do a lot where.

          On the knee?
          They really can’t repair anything, but you are talking about production.
          Where they will take the slipways under the "Toucan"
          1. +2
            6 August 2019 21: 20
            It is to collect - yes, on the knee. They cannot repair high-tech machines, which the whole USSR used to work on. Assembling a light single-engine aircraft is much simpler. A slipway and other equipment is not very expensive (no higher than the retail price of one toucan).

            Moreover, not even "Toucans" to collect, but something even simpler. The range of "Tukan" is enough to fly to bomb Donetsk from Lvov, which is redundant. And its price, to put it mildly ...

            So if you initially design a single-engine light car on your own or at least not unique (that is, bought in Europe and China, to choose from) the element base ...


            But the fact of the matter is that modern Ukraine does not need any aviation whatsoever, therefore there is not much difference on what to develop the budget for.
            1. +1
              6 August 2019 22: 24
              They are in this regard a different opinion. They even plan to fly into space. Probably sleepwalkers will learn gopaku?
              1. 0
                6 August 2019 22: 27
                Yes, I do not care about politics. I am interested in technical solutions. So hopak is not hopak, but screw attack aircraft with a minimum budget - an interesting and real idea, even for Ukraine.
    2. +2
      6 August 2019 21: 01
      But the decision itself is sound. It is only necessary to produce such aircraft, and not to purchase.

      Yes, the solution is good, I think quickly with these miracle attack aircraft and pilots will go out trained lol
  6. +4
    6 August 2019 18: 57
    For the lack of attack aircraft (Su-25 does not count, there are few of them and they are in poor condition), Ukraine decided to radically solve the problem in the Donbass. The car is not expensive, proven. I hope Brazil does not sell. Otherwise, we will see them in the sky above Donetsk or Lugansk ... Zelensky is more and more disappointed, he apparently does not need peace
    1. +6
      6 August 2019 19: 05
      Zelensky is disappointing more and more, he apparently does not need peace

      How can a puppet disappoint? She voices what they say to her. That's all.
      1. 0
        7 August 2019 23: 47
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        She voices what they say to her. That's all.

        This is actually true in any country. Do you think Trump himself came up with the INF Treaty to cancel? Who would allow him to make such decisions.
        ANY "leader" of the state is just a TV show host, his task is to make a smart face and speak clever phrases into the camera, the meaning of which he himself often does not understand.

        Except Kim Jong-un, of course.
    2. 0
      6 August 2019 19: 19
      Quote: Magic Archer
      apparently he doesn’t need peace

      What kind of world to talk about if they buy
      which would enable them to be involved in the conflict zone.
    3. +2
      6 August 2019 19: 44
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Zelensky is disappointing more and more, he apparently does not need peace

      he needs a show named him
      1. -1
        6 August 2019 20: 41
        Quote: Balu
        he needs a show named him

        Already in full swing
  7. +2
    6 August 2019 18: 59
    Ukraine intends to acquire aircraft through the United States and through American funding. Looks like free cheese.
  8. +6
    6 August 2019 19: 00
    Shameful, what was their aviation industry ...?
    Well, I think the air defense forces of Novorossia will be happy to meet them and click from all types of weapons .. Hold on to Donbass!
  9. +5
    6 August 2019 19: 06
    These are the Antonov manufacturers - will they buy these toys? Well, Krajina survived! :-)
    1. +1
      6 August 2019 20: 05
      What do you want if to purchase at least some competencies for the Antonov company in the production of UAVs in Ukraine, 6 Turkish drones bought? What these figures, the same Turchinov, spoke directly.
  10. +1
    6 August 2019 19: 08
    Is that a banter?
  11. +7
    6 August 2019 19: 09
    A good aircraft, just as a target for ZSU-2-23 or Shilka suitable. And the Shell will be where to frolic.
    1. 0
      6 August 2019 19: 11
      Quote: Ros 56
      just as a target for ZSU-2-23 or Shilka will do.

      And for MANPADS and C-10 ... so in general
      1. +2
        6 August 2019 19: 12
        So I do not mind. hi soldier
      2. +5
        6 August 2019 19: 48
        Tucano has a good set of high-precision weapons for reconciliation outside the MANPADS and MZA range, for him systems of the class "Wasp" and above will be a problem, and they will be a problem for fighters. This aircraft was created for a different reconciliation tactic than the SU 25. Therefore, they are not worth comparing. Guided bombs will be used from altitudes of 6000-7000 meters and from a range of 15-20 km. Optics on Tucano is excellent. It would be more correct to call it not a ground attack aircraft, in the Soviet sense, but a light attack aircraft. In this regard, he is the best.
        1. 0
          6 August 2019 20: 38
          Description Super Toucano.
          Maximum combat load - 1500 kg. It is possible to use short-range guided air-to-air missiles (AIM-9 class). It is also possible to use freely falling or adjustable bombs Mk 81 (119 kg up to 10 bombs) or Mk 82 (227 kg up to 5 bombs). In addition, the installation of SBAT-70/19 or LAU-68 launch blocks for 70 mm unguided aircraft missiles is possible.


          Flight specifications EMB 314 Super Tucano:
          Overall dimensions: length - 11,3 m, height - 3,97 m, wing span - 11,14 m, wing area - 19,4 m2.
          Empty weight - 3200 kg.
          Maximum take-off weight - 5200 kg.
          The power plant is a Pratt & Whitney PT6A-68/3 theater with a capacity of 1600 hp.
          The maximum speed is 590 km / h.
          Cruising speed - 520 km / h.
          Stalling speed - 148 km / h.
          Practical range - 1330 km.
          Ferry range - 2850 km.
          Combat radius of action - 550 km (with a full combat load 1500 kg).
          Practical ceiling - 10 670 m.
          Gun-guns - 2x12,7-mm machine gun in the wing, you can additionally install a 20-mm gun under the fuselage or another 2x12,7-mm / 4X7,62-mm machine gun on the wing nodes of the suspension
          Combat load - up to 1500 kg on 5 suspension units, including air-to-air UR, or free-fall and adjustable bombs, or 70-mm NAR.
          Crew - 1-2 person.

          https://topwar.ru/134626-brazilskiy-il-2-legkiy-turbovintovoy-shturmovik-embraer-emb-314-super-tucano.html
        2. +3
          6 August 2019 21: 03
          Tucano has a good set of precision weapons for reconciliation outside the MANPADS and MZA

          If there wasn’t enough money for a normal attack aircraft, money for precision weapons will be found laughing
          1. 0
            6 August 2019 21: 27
            According to the calculations of the Americans, according to the results of, “Desert Storm,” the use of precision weapons proved to be more economical. The Brazilians have their own kits for converting conventional bombs into controlled bombs and they can be used with Tucano. The price of one set is $ 25000, plus $ 3000 for the new MK 82, and probably, taking into account the alteration, the price of one guided bomb based on the MK 82 will not exceed $ 35000, estimated. American JDAMs cost even less. Buying 2000 units, for example, will not be an overwhelming task for Ukraine, 70 million. But how reconciliation of 2000 guided bombs will affect the balance of power, let the experts comment. Then Tukano is not an attack aircraft in the usual Soviet sense, it was created for another. Yes, and from whom today you can buy a normal, in your opinion, attack aircraft, no one has been producing them for a long time.
            1. +5
              6 August 2019 22: 00
              According to the calculations of the Americans, according to the results of, “Desert Storm,” the use of precision weapons proved to be more economical.

              Yes, of course, the only question is which of the corporations as a result calculated this;)
              The purchase of let’s say 2000 units will not be an overwhelming task for Ukraine, 70 million

              At the same time, it is assumed that before delivery the aircraft will be partially modernized for the use of Soviet-style ammunition, as well as equipped with modern electronic equipment, which would make it possible to use them in the conflict zone.

              That is why Ukraine and asks them to upgrade using the ammunition of the neighboring sample ...
              And of course, for the sake of 2000 guided bombs, it is worth buying a piston maize, because it is much cheaper than upgrading a couple of Su-25s that still remain wink
              1. 0
                6 August 2019 23: 00
                I am not a specialist in military aviation, but several years ago in one case I was interested in the economic aspect of wars, including the feasibility of modernizing certain types of weapons. From there and the information. So SU 25 cannot be modernized for reconciliation of guided bombs, well, except for those that are guided by GPS, due to the particular sighting system in the nose. Not even the most advanced Russian modernization of SM 3, nor the sufficiently advanced Georgian-Israeli modernization, Scorpio, had such a function. A hanging container is also not an option due to the rather primitive, for a modern airplane, electronic filling. For Russia, with its still large fleet of the 25s, modernization to the level of a light bomber, as it is now used, is justified, and there are enough other inhabitants of the WTO. For Ukraine, with its fleet of a couple of dozen sides, and it is still not known in what condition it is, such a modernization is probably not advisable. Although to buy Tukano and remake to reconcile Soviet unguided ammunition will be the height of moronity. Perhaps it was due to the use of missiles. This makes some sense.
                1. 0
                  7 August 2019 00: 11
                  All other things being equal, the USA has delivered about 26 units to Afghanistan all the time, for $ 560M. How many planes will Ukraine receive? In Afghanistan, once used a freely falling landmine with laser guidance and rudders - GBU-58 Paveway II

                  And here is what NATO coordinator writes about using Super Tucano
                  "Afghan Air Force is still not capable of using Joint Direct Attack Munitions, or JDAMs, which autonomously guide a bomb via GPS to a target's coordinates. Instead, the bombs had to be guided by a laser“ spot. ”- https: // www.airforcetimes.com/flashpoints/2018/01/27/in-another-first-afghan-pilots-are-now-firing-laser-guided-bombs/

                  Tobish can’t use GPS guidance, so we only have laser guidance from high-precision, and accordingly the gunner (any). Clouds, rain, smoke and that we all sit at home? if free-falling ammunition, then 1500kg is not a fountain, but not a little, in the dive mode - suicide, and from 5000-6000 m, you can get into your own. Not a candle to God, not a damn poker,
                  Here is a sofa IMHO
                  1. +1
                    7 August 2019 06: 59
                    If there is cloud or rain, then there is nothing to do with SU 25-especially, it is not all-weather, due to the lack of a radar. Well, you can put a thermal imager, but experience shows that even after that it is impossible to use it normally at night. He is out of date, maybe this is why no one in the world is producing such aircraft. And the Tukano class is just gaining momentum.
                    1. +2
                      7 August 2019 11: 17
                      And I don’t argue with the fact that Super Tucano is a very solid plane, we discussed specifically the use of high-precision weapons on it and the possibility of its use in specific conditions, a specific conflict. For other tasks, reconnaissance, patrol, training, driving caravans with drugs, it’s possible to drop high-precision ammunition as a point mission, but above the battlefield where there is something more than 7,62 I can’t imagine it ..
  12. +3
    6 August 2019 19: 20
    Ukraine is considering the purchase of Embraer EMB-314 Super Tucano turboprop combat training aircraft in Brazil

    Ukraine intends to purchase aircraft through the United States and through American funding under the same program under which these aircraft were delivered to Afghanistan, Lebanon and Nigeria.

    The title of the article does not correspond to the content in any way. The article should be titled: "If Uncle Sam gives bucks, then maybe a plane will appear in Ukraine, designed to drive drug dealers in the jungle."
  13. +2
    6 August 2019 19: 22
    Well, did a turboprop airplane fly on pistons? (See article title)
    1. +3
      6 August 2019 21: 05
      Well, did a turboprop airplane fly on pistons? (See article title)

      Well, apparently the author of the article and the diesel engine is also ignited by spark plugs))).
      Sometimes ...
    2. 0
      8 August 2019 03: 41
      "Ukraine intends to purchase EMB-314 Super Tucano turboprop attack aircraft"
      reading an article in the early morning of August 8th - probably corrected already
  14. +2
    6 August 2019 19: 38
    Embraer makes good enough planes that I really respect (no offense to the superjet).
    And modern piston aviation is clearly underestimated around the world, I always dreamed that a large fleet of aircraft with a glider such as MiG-3, LaG-5, etc. made of composite materials, modern avionics was available at the Russian Air Force. Due to the low cost, their small area, and hence their visibility, very low flight altitudes, such aircraft can cause HUGE problems even in a modern DB theater, and waking them up is not as easy as it might seem, especially when it's a huge flock like mosquitoes flying into the enemy’s position.
    1. +7
      6 August 2019 19: 55
      Sergei...
      Piston over the battlefield .. this is the loss in flight ...
      1. +1
        6 August 2019 20: 51
        Piston over the battlefield .. this is a loss in flight composition ..

        I welcome Dmitry, I agree about the losses, but the point is that the plane itself is cheap, and the training of flight personnel is simplified, but again, this is almost my childhood imagination, so I do not insist on it))) )
        By the way, I now read for these planes what Ukrainians write, they are also not enthusiastic.
        It turns out that the Brazilian plane (this is understandable) costs $ 14 mln, but they are produced in the USA, which are going to transfer them to Ukraine on credit, but already for $ 18 mln.
        So they scratch their turnips there too, on the one hand cheap and cheerful (2 times cheaper than a helicopter), but on the other:
        A-understand that from bred for money.
        They need weapons according to NATO standards, which they really do not want to. it’s necessary to use your own Soviet one in bulk.
        In the same way, like you, they complain about the layered air defense of the LDNR and, as a result, huge losses (the aircraft was developed as counterguerrilla, and in the LDNR not quite partisans.
    2. 0
      6 August 2019 20: 17
      Quote: Bshkaus
      And modern piston aviation is clearly underestimated around the world, I always dreamed that a large fleet of aircraft with a glider such as MiG-3, LaG-5, etc. made of composite materials, modern avionics was available at the Russian Air Force. Due to the low cost, their small area, and hence their visibility, very low flight altitudes, such aircraft can cause HUGE problems even in a modern DB theater, and waking them up is not as easy as it might seem, especially when it's a huge flock like mosquitoes flying into the enemy’s position.


      AND FIRE!

      better look at the pictures well, that's true, maybe they will give food for the mind, it is necessary not only to move the "pistons" but also to wiggle
      1. +2
        6 August 2019 21: 29
        better look at the pictures well, that's true, maybe they will give food for the mind, it is necessary not only to move the "pistons" but also to wiggle

        The fact that you tried to kick me - I realized that
        But the relationship between my comment and your answer, to be honest, did not catch: /
        If not difficult, in expanded form, explain:
        a-relation of my statement regarding the price of piston aircraft and the tactics of applying them on the battlefield and your picture.
        If I’ve already posted a picture, I ask you to give it a detailed comment, what is shown on it, what type of engine it is, and if this is a new invention, then what is its fundamental difference from classical schemes.
        I will be grateful.
        1. 0
          6 August 2019 22: 02
          Sergei
          The "comrade" is apparently "being clever" about this engine (Pratt & Whitney Canada PW100), if I'm not mistaken ... But why, I don't understand ..
          1. 0
            6 August 2019 22: 48
            The comrade is probably being clever about the fact that the topic of piston aircraft has nothing to do with the topic of Ukraine's possible acquisition of an EMB-314 Super Tucano aircraft, whose engine is a Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6 turboprop. Anyone who, before taking on faith the propaganda headline about the "piston" aircraft, checked the facts on the Internet, would immediately see that the aircraft is not piston. And I would have seen a picture from a Wikipedia article about his engine.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_Canada_PT6
            1. +1
              6 August 2019 23: 20
              What does TVD change, by and large, for a given type of aircraft?
              1. 0
                6 August 2019 23: 40
                He changes that everyone who taunted this plane here thanks to the fake headline taunted it because it was supposedly piston.
                1. 0
                  6 August 2019 23: 45
                  Well, I’ll ask differently ...
                  The fact that he is a TV, not a piston, will help him greatly over the battlefield?
                  1. -1
                    7 August 2019 00: 16
                    And does a theater instead of a piston help civilian aircraft, without a battlefield?
                    That's at least as it helps Super Tucano, even before the battlefield. And it’s better to ask the US Army about the battlefield, they know why they produce and use it, better than others.
                  2. 0
                    7 August 2019 02: 27
                    Quote: NN52
                    Well, I’ll ask differently ...
                    The fact that he is a TV, not a piston, will help him greatly over the battlefield?

                    suggest a piston engine and discuss - weight, power, rate of climb, or do you also think that
                    Quote: Bshkaus
                    And modern piston aviation is clearly underestimated around the world, I always dreamed that a large fleet of aircraft with a glider such as MiG-3, LaG-5, etc. made of composite materials, modern avionics was available at the Russian Air Force. Due to their low cost, their small area, and therefore their visibility, very low flight altitudes, such aircraft can cause HUGE problems even in a modern DB theater, and waking them up is not as easy as it might seem, especially when it's a huge flock like mosquitoes hitting an enemy position


                    Any piston of a similar mass will be 3 times less "thrusting", of course, a theater of 1600hp over the battlefield and a 6t machine with a piston engine of 500hp, there is no difference. One horse per 12kg, where did you get the idea that it will take off at all, in principle, you will reach along the highway ... ... with a whole flock, a mosquito, just be careful - many composites are fragile. All over the world underestimate and here you are - rolled, FUROR!
                    1. +1
                      7 August 2019 21: 18
                      Pajamas

                      Everything, I seem to begin to understand yesterday's comment, an engine with a thrust of less than one, we no longer consider the engine;)))
                      The fact that he is a TV, not a piston, will help him greatly over the battlefield?

                      Yes, it doesn’t help, they will fall no less often than armored personnel carriers and tanks are burning, but the price is comparable to tanks and armored personnel carriers (in any case, cheaper than helicopters). And saving a pilot in such an airplane, and with modern technologies, is much easier:
                      firstly, this is an armored capsule as on IL-2
                      secondly, not even an ejection seat, but shooting like on a K-52 (no one has yet been ejected alive, but mannequins fly very effectively).
                      thirdly, you can put a parachute on the glider itself, it seems like they are already deploying it on small airplanes in the Civil Air Fleet, in any case I saw beautiful booklets.
                      So on such a plane it may be more fun than in a helicopter (with the exception of K-52).
                      I repeat - this is my fantasy.
                      In general, we are entering the era of unmanned aerial vehicles))))
                      1. 0
                        7 August 2019 22: 13
                        You have a flight of imagination about which you are writing now, and in the first message you even drew tactics, so I will repeat about piston engines - a piston engine of this dimension of an aircraft in 6 tons will not raise, and you also want an armored capsule. Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-68C - weight 260 kg -1600 hp
                        Piston RED A03- weight 330 kg -500 hp Yak-152, are you going to fight on it? The armored capsule?
                        IL-2 is twice as large, the climb rate is 10 m / s versus 17 for toucans, the ceiling is almost the entire in the MANPADS zone (6000) with a radius of 700 km

                        What do you mean the unmanned aircraft zone, they exist now, the person will be inside for 70 years or even 100 for a long time, just see how many years they plan to use the existing types, despite the fact that the next generation will still be able to pilot people.
    3. 0
      7 August 2019 21: 54
      Quote: Bshkaus
      waking them up isn't so easy

      Wake up means "wake up".
      1. 0
        8 August 2019 22: 13
        Wake up means "wake up".

        I have already explained this many times: I type in the blind with ten fingers, so I often forget. Therefore, it turns out that I’m just sitting in front of the computer with my hands on the keyboard and just thinking, I don’t even know what hands are typing there. I only look at the monitor so that there would not be a big disaster. So such costs are quite common. Once I was called a foreigner at all just because I printed the number not in numbers, but in words)))
        a reciprocating engine of such an aircraft dimension of 6 tons will not lift, and you also want an armored capsule.

        To be honest, I don’t even delve into the characteristics of the engines, of course, the power will increase the take-off weight, but in the Great Patriotic War they coped with the piston ones as well. The question is what tasks. If you fly on a small airplane and shoot everything that moves on the ground with a machine gun - this is one thing, if you drop any kind of ODAB-500 - this is completely different.
        Since I unwittingly became a "defender of piston aircraft" (although I didn’t even think), I’ll ask a question to which I don’t know the answer, but what is the difference in the price and technology (complexity) of manufacturing a piston and turboprop engine?
        For example, at one time he was consulting a life support companion who wanted to climb 10 km on a hang glider and jump with a parachute from there. On his hang glider, he installed a car engine from Mitsubishi (which I don’t remember), but as he assured, this was the most powerful hang glider in the Russian Federation. True, it all ended in failure, but this is a completely different story. I wanted to bring this example to the fact that the hang glider was 3-seater, which means that theoretically it could raise the pilot and another 100 kg bomb, the acena of the aircraft was a couple of millions. I think that after a week of training, I would also have learned to easily terrorize if not granular US air defense, then some grannies for sure;). My idea is reduced to a minimum price and simplicity based on modern technology.
  15. +2
    6 August 2019 19: 40
    The news is bad. This prodigy is not against the DNR, they have air defense, and from a regular rifleman they can very well bring down this. He is against his own peaceful people. Destroy their unarmed population when the hunger and cold riots begin. Pinochet.
  16. +2
    6 August 2019 19: 40
    Reciprocating?
    1. 0
      6 August 2019 20: 08
      So they understand that in case of war you need a cheap mass plane, the loss of which is insignificant. The experience of the 2014 campaign suggests.
      1. +2
        6 August 2019 21: 34
        It’s like a theater
        1. -4
          6 August 2019 22: 23
          Well, most do not know English. It seems that the site still do not know about Google. recourse
          In 1-2 minutes, I not only found out that this "funny" (piston, according to the Ministry of Defense) aircraft is in service with the US Army and is produced there at a joint venture with the Brazilians, but I also learned that its Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6 engine the same turboprop as on the largest Israeli high-altitude UAV Eitan. And that the avionics there is from the Israeli Elbit Systems.
          1. +1
            7 August 2019 07: 56
            Quote: nesmeshimenya
            Well, most do not know English. It seems that the site still do not know about Google. recourse
            In 1-2 minutes, I not only found out that this "funny" (piston, according to the Ministry of Defense) aircraft is in service with the US Army and is produced there at a joint venture with the Brazilians, but I also learned that its Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6 engine the same turboprop as on the largest Israeli high-altitude UAV Eitan. And that the avionics there is from the Israeli Elbit Systems.

            2 minuses indicate that you are "wrong"
            everyone knows, everyone understands, almost everyone trusts the authors, they are never mistaken. winked
            the main thing in these topics is to agree.
          2. 0
            7 August 2019 11: 32
            You are sure that it is in the arsenal of the US Army, it interested me, but I did not find the data, except for the Navy renting one for evaluation. Black Water had another, but they are private traders.
            1. 0
              7 August 2019 13: 19
              This is what I meant. I have no other data.
              And another article from which I realized that these aircraft are only formally Afghan. Where and how to apply them decide SOCOM (Special Operations Command)
              https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-us-special-forces-would-love-29-super-tucano-62102
  17. Owl
    +1
    6 August 2019 19: 48
    This means that Donetsk and Lugansk should seriously consider the "acquisition" of the Pantsir-S air defense missile system.
    1. +1
      6 August 2019 20: 00
      It is strange that this was not taken care of in advance. Although in theory there and "Shilka" should be enough.
      1. 0
        7 August 2019 23: 58
        Modified Shilka only. With a new radar and a new digital SLA.
  18. -1
    6 August 2019 19: 50
    And spears and bows, poorly ordered?
    1. +1
      6 August 2019 20: 01
      Quote: O. Bender
      And spears and bows, poorly ordered?

      This is a secret weapon, they do not show anyone
      1. 0
        6 August 2019 20: 43
        Quote: Balu
        This is a secret weapon, they do not show anyone

        There is more secret
      2. +3
        6 August 2019 22: 28
        These are mask shows.
        A series of masks in the army was shot in our unit, the parade ground, the dining room and the barracks and the stadium were shot, sometimes I look with nostalgia smile
  19. +3
    6 August 2019 19: 58
    And so the question is, why do they need them?
    A full-fledged combat aircraft cannot fly over Donbas, it is immediately shot down, and even more so nothing shines on this turboprop maize.
  20. +3
    6 August 2019 19: 58
    How lovely. When I was subscribing the magazine "ZVO" in my youth, I read that there seems to be a Brazilian attack aircraft "Pukkara". Also a very nice car. True, it was twenty-five years ago. But it may have survived ...
    1. +5
      6 August 2019 20: 20
      Argentine, still at the Falklands fought, but so-so. Optics and electronics in those years were not quite perfect.
      1. +3
        6 August 2019 21: 04
        Right I say well at the dawn of distant youth it was. As I remember right now, the photo was yellow. Such a charm ... Well, optics, electronics ... If UAs are going to fight with such equipment, then spend the racket on knocking down these units ... No.
        Yes, and pilots degraded to such a level and wanting to be ditched from for example DShK ingloriously No.
        1. -1
          6 August 2019 21: 32
          Well, Tukano and Pukara are quite different in combat capabilities. All the same, the difference in the creation time of 30 years or more is significant.
    2. +1
      6 August 2019 20: 34
      Actually, the FMA IA 58 Pucará is an Argentine attack aircraft .... wink
      http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/folkl/pucara/pucara.html
    3. 0
      7 August 2019 06: 50
      She will be more powerful. 4x20mm and 2 turbo turbo. The main difference is the suspension containers TsU and corr bombs. The British complained about the poor capture of the GOS MANPADS ...
  21. +1
    6 August 2019 20: 12
    Aircraft building Ukraine - Mythical bubble! She is dead, and therefore rushing around ... r. global purchasers trying to buy ready-made cheap aircraft new or used. True, there is no money of their own, if only the IMF is begged
  22. +2
    6 August 2019 20: 14
    Clear progress is noticeable, or vice versa. I remember after the Maidan they were going to buy F 15-16-18. The latter used, like Canada even offered to sell, but they refused, citing expensive service. Not so long ago there was information that they wanted to build (under license) Chinese Hongdu L-15, apparently also did not grow together. Now this option, although it would be more logical to take the Czech Aero L-159 ALCA, they also had L - 39. Apparently the next step will be the development of the latest multifunctional stealth pepelats based on An - 2.
    1. 0
      6 August 2019 21: 13
      Po-2 will be launched, with the Melitopol engine for constipation
    2. 0
      6 August 2019 22: 25
      Talk about the L-15 has been going on for a long time.
      Unlike the Yak-130, the L-15 is supersonic due to the engines of the Sichev engine.
  23. 0
    6 August 2019 20: 34
    Quote: Jack O'Neill
    The "Rook" actually has 2 engines and it means that it is at least 2 times tenacious.

    Sometimes it saves, sometimes not.
    Here, depending on how the missiles arrive and what they knock out.

    And then what does IL-2 not suit them?
    And business ... scratch museums and close their eyes to "decommunization" ...
    1. 0
      7 August 2019 06: 52
      TV3-117 stick and go.
      1. 0
        8 August 2019 00: 01
        For the aircraft version of TV3, the propeller is made in the occupying country. And without a propeller "it will not take off"
  24. 0
    6 August 2019 20: 36
    Afghanistan, Lebanon, Nigeria and Ukraine! What is Nigeria doing on this list ?!))
  25. -4
    6 August 2019 20: 38
    piston attack aircraft
    - everything's clear with you.
    A plane, IMHO, is good.
  26. +2
    6 August 2019 20: 46
    Ukraine intends to purchase piston attack aircraft EMB-314 Super Tucano
    No need to rush. Henschel is the best stormtrooper for Ruins and no markings are required. feel
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  28. +2
    6 August 2019 21: 04
    Wonderful ..
    Brazilian rotorcraft, Polish armored cars and ancient American guard, Czech infantry fighting vehicles. And only the little shavers clamped the diving suits, the villains were taken away laughing
    No, the direct road goes to NATO fool
  29. 0
    6 August 2019 21: 21
    To control the border, drug trafficking, identify light sabotage groups normal airplane. For Donbass ...... well, well. Or he climb 8-10km, then the efficiency, and if below 3km then the problem.
    1. 0
      8 August 2019 12: 15
      Usually he patrols and complements helicopters on strike missions. Carrier of bombs and high-quality optics.
      1. 0
        8 August 2019 17: 38
        Yes, thanks) I read for it.
  30. +1
    6 August 2019 21: 24
    Let them buy it: part of it will then be ours - so that there is something for Bandera to drive through the forests of Western Ukraine.
  31. +1
    6 August 2019 21: 32
    I have doubts that the Americans will be ready to buy Brazilian planes for Ukraine for their money. It doesn't look like Trump. They have their own trash in the cemetery in the desert.
    1. -3
      6 August 2019 21: 51
      His US Army for himself (surprise fellow ) purchases and produces under license at the facilities of Sierra Nevada Corporation. If they buy with US money, they will order there.
    2. -1
      6 August 2019 22: 24
      Embraer recently bought a Boeing company .... So Trampush at business ...
      1. 0
        7 August 2019 10: 02
        Boeing bought a controlling stake in the joint production of commercial aircraft, not Embraer at all.
        https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3657162.html
  32. 0
    6 August 2019 21: 44
    Soon they will buy carts on the outskirts))))
  33. 0
    6 August 2019 21: 52
    The aircraft is suitable only to drive the Papuans. And so with portable air defense systems they will overwhelm.
  34. 0
    6 August 2019 22: 03
    Oh Tse Dilo! Number more - at a cheaper price. This is from hopelessness. What rolls in Africa and Afghanistan will not ride in the Donbass near the Russian Federation, under its umbrella, air defense and missile defense.
  35. -2
    6 August 2019 22: 04
    If they get it, then a little, for a lot, the Americans will not give money. I wonder where they are going to buy aviation gasoline, kerosene for a piston engine is worthless.
    1. -1
      6 August 2019 23: 33
      In Belarus?
    2. -1
      7 August 2019 07: 59
      Quote: Chaldon48
      aviation gasoline, kerosene for a piston engine is not good.

      in Kremenchug
    3. 0
      7 August 2019 08: 17
      Gasoline, if desired, can be bought at any gas station, and, by the way, the "engine" there is TURBOJET.
  36. 0
    6 August 2019 22: 22
    This, of course, is far from the Su-25, one engine, no armor, a propeller, but on the whole an airplane with a good reputation.
    I had to read that the GOS with IR guidance was captured noticeably worse than the reactive ones, I don’t know if it was true.
    If so, then MANPADS will be difficult to apply.
    1. 0
      8 August 2019 00: 07
      Yes, airplanes with propellers shine much less in IR than jet ones. So against this pepelats complexes with radar guidance are better suited. Tunguska just right. An arrow with a photo-contrast sight is also suitable.
      1. 0
        8 August 2019 00: 43
        A turboprop airplane is both a propeller airplane and a jet airplane.)
        1. 0
          8 August 2019 09: 58
          This in the early theater was a jet nozzle, which gave some thrust due to gases that were not fully exhausted in the turbine. Modern engines are much more perfect, the efficiency is higher, and there is nothing left to throw into the nozzle. If you look at the airplane under discussion, you will see it has a small exhaust pipe in front, and that’s it.
  37. +1
    6 August 2019 22: 37
    "...through the USA and at the expense of American funding within the framework of the same program under which these aircraft were supplied to Afghanistan, Lebanon and Nigeria. ", key, the Americans are defending their interest. The aircraft will stand quietly and rust, there will be no money for operation.
  38. -3
    6 August 2019 22: 47
    Let's remember the 2nd world war. The Germans had ground-based air defense (small arms and cannon) at their best (neither the USSR, nor the allies seemed a little), even the rudiments of MANPADS (Luftfaust A, B, Fliegerfaust). Piston aircraft (Il-2 attack aircraft and so on ... U-87) also ironed the ground. Now attempts to throw caps on Super Tucano will cost "a lot of blood", without the cover of fighters Tucano will drink a lot of blood ... but only in capable hands.
    1. -1
      7 August 2019 08: 04
      Probably, with "pieces" it is not necessary to compare "Tucano", different cars. But that they are necessary is unambiguous.
      1. +1
        7 August 2019 20: 43
        IL-2, U-87 - piston machines that, worked, on the ground. We need to recall the stories of veterans from both sides. Without covering their anti-aircraft fighters, an organized raid of 50-60 IL vehicles or Pieces, destroying an object, or clearing a certain territory from enemy troops. In Vietnam, similar piston aircraft used the same napalm ... An attack of 50-60, Tukano, will not stop the ZSU-23-2 (one or two), a couple of MANPADS will help little, too, relying on several DShKs is also not worth it ... hi
        1. 0
          8 August 2019 00: 12
          When such a heap approaches the target, muffle the GPS, muffle the connection to them, and put a smoke exhaust. There are no radars on them for bombing, they will circle, leave bombs anywhere and fly home those whom the Tungusks and shells do not have time to get.
  39. -3
    6 August 2019 23: 12
    An urgent shipment of the Yak-3 and La-9)))))))) is necessary to the Donbass and Lugansk. Excuse will be - one hundred percent! )) ... Donbass will then be asked - where are you from? And they will answer - the echo of war ......)))))
  40. 0
    6 August 2019 23: 14
    The Ukrainian gpsu has long been used in the protection of the state border by the Austrian diamond; the APU can adopt the experience of using light-engine aircraft for use in the atomic energy zone https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d2/ae/10/d2ae1078bada1d06b50f332d46728bd3.jpg
  41. 0
    6 August 2019 23: 26
    and once they knew how to build airplanes themselves ...
    it turns out - Brazil is now more technologically advanced than Ukraine. Arrived.
  42. +1
    6 August 2019 23: 29
    Then localized in Ukraine, the version of this air miracle will be called Super Pucano. And the loss of the link will be voiced in the news like this - Ukraine again tore Pucano.
  43. +4
    6 August 2019 23: 53
    The author of this "note in the wall newspaper" would decide: an attack aircraft-piston or turboprop !? request wink
  44. 0
    7 August 2019 00: 25
    Who knows how much the toucan is "influenced" by MANPADS and MZA?
  45. 0
    7 August 2019 00: 33
    So intends to buy, or still beg? And then the title of the article differs in meaning from the text.
  46. 0
    7 August 2019 00: 57
    I wonder how much they will buy ... here, from Honduras, there are as many as 2 toucans, from Nigeria 12. How many of these corn-makers will be bought by the USA for Ukraine remains a mystery.
  47. 0
    7 August 2019 05: 53
    It is noteworthy that Super Tucano is in service with countries that have never seen ... snow. Those. an extremely heat-loving airplane may be. Europeans have a similar Pilatus PC-9, but the truth is much more expensive.
    And yes, if Ze uses aviation in the East, then it will become impossible to talk about any Ukrainian hulks sunk by terrorists.
  48. -2
    7 August 2019 07: 53
    A good choice. By the way, our design bureau should also take care of something similar.
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  50. 0
    7 August 2019 08: 45
    here he is this plane
    1. 0
      7 August 2019 09: 27
      In the splash picture, yes, but the video features his American classmate AT-6, not the Tucano.
  51. -1
    7 August 2019 09: 25
    I wouldn’t be surprised if Tukanchiki will be used not in the Lugansk and Donetsk regions, but, say, in the Carpathian region against Bandera. They played their role, became waste material, and such material is removed first from the political scene, and then deeper, i.e. into the ground. What to do? The fate of stormtroopers is the same in all centuries and under all rulers. And in the dense forests of Transcarpathia, Tucanchiki would be exactly what was needed. Moreover, it is necessary not only for Ukraine, but also for Russia.
  52. -1
    7 August 2019 14: 47
    Why are they? It's easier to attach wings to the pots.))
  53. 0
    7 August 2019 14: 51
    I don’t know how effective such an aircraft will be in the conditions of the war in Donbass. It is precisely because of the presence of MANPADS and air defense systems in the republics. Ukrainian media posted various materials with photographs of the Osa air defense system and the Pantsyr-S1 air defense system on the streets of Lugansk. And it’s better not to interfere with such complexes of Tucano. And if the DPR has a Buk air defense system... it’s not the same ROM without missiles that everyone has known about since ’14. Or at least SOU. Then you can forget about using Toucans.
  54. 0
    7 August 2019 16: 37
    Quote: Jack O'Neill
    Super Toucanchik is an excellent counterguerrilla aircraft. A good choice!

    The Super Tucano is only good for chasing savages with spears. If the partisans have MANPADS, they will fall to the ground. I think the Voentorg will take care to provide the Donetsk residents with such a device. hi
  55. 0
    7 August 2019 19: 59
    In fact, this Brazilian company was bought by the United States long ago, so impoverished Ukraine again decided to benefit rich Americans
    1. +1
      8 August 2019 13: 43
      Someone here already commented on this. The company remains Brazilian; the Americans bought one of the divisions, a joint American-Brazilian production.
      1. 0
        11 August 2019 08: 10
        I agree there was a mistake, Boeing bought 80% of the company that produces commercial aircraft.
  56. 0
    7 August 2019 20: 00
    Well, Banderland buys planes in Brazil. Let them buy another batch of wild monkeys so that it won’t be so boring. Although, on the other hand, traveling back and forth is at the state expense, again - travel allowances. Why not go?
  57. 0
    8 August 2019 00: 10
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH0-ueiSZA0
    So the AN-2 is also not capable of doing this? The aviation industry has completely collapsed. Learn from the North Koreans, skakuas.
  58. 0
    8 August 2019 02: 53
    AUTHOR TOUCANO NOT PISTON. UCHI MAT PART.
  59. 0
    8 August 2019 06: 29
    ....a shame....
  60. 0
    8 August 2019 07: 17
    By the time they learn to fly it, they will kill half of the toucans.
  61. 0
    8 August 2019 07: 26
    People! You reason like warriors. And Bandera’s scum are not warriors, but punishers. And they fought well only with civilians. It is with this psychology that they want to have these planes.
    To terrorize civilians. It is clear to anyone that this plane is not a survivor over the battlefield. And the Banderlogs are dumb and dumb to die.
  62. 0
    8 August 2019 07: 43
    the plane is good against the Papuans, who do not have MANPADS. As soon as the MANPADS appear, this super-Tuscan will become a white fur-bearing animal.
  63. 0
    8 August 2019 09: 27
    Let's see. Sounds like crazy. But if you remember about Libya with three Ukrainian planes, Afghanistan (according to the wiki, 26 planes are planned there), Colombia where the United States is present, then perhaps a platform is being formed for training pilots to participate in local conflicts, and everything is organized at the expense of Ukraine.
  64. 0
    8 August 2019 11: 33
    [quote=forumow]Boeing bought a controlling stake in the joint production of commercial aircraft, not Embraer at all.
    I could be wrong, but some of the latest toucans were developed jointly with the United States and the condition of the Americans was that only American pilots would use them in Brazil (on a contract basis) or that Brazilian pilots had to undergo special training in the United States, which also implied a contract." into the load."
  65. 0
    8 August 2019 12: 13
    I think that the pan-heads are not very concerned about losses in manpower, rather there is an opportunity to buy cheaper and more aircraft, and then come what may...
  66. 0
    8 August 2019 15: 43
    How much money are Banderlogs going to use to buy planes? In addition, the plane also requires land, which will cost 10 times more, not to mention flight and technical personnel, who will have to be trained for months. So this is all projection.
    1. 0
      8 August 2019 16: 08
      The Air Force budget is quite large.
  67. 0
    8 August 2019 15: 54
    As I understand it, they want to replace attack helicopters with these attack aircraft. Cheaper to operate and quite effective.
    1. 0
      8 August 2019 16: 07
      Nobody wants anything. Another “trend”, another drink.
  68. 0
    8 August 2019 16: 06
    Just now I noticed the words “piston” in the title.
  69. 0
    8 August 2019 18: 22
    Ukrainians exchanged another piece of junk for 2 wagons of lard and jumps.
    Piston engine. What year of manufacture, what resource is left (used), where can I get spare parts? So I understand that this is subsonic aircraft? Most importantly, who are attack aircraft with piston engines against? Against jet SUs and MiGs?
  70. 0
    9 August 2019 09: 43
    Soon they will go to Papua New Guinea for a shipment of bows, arrows and slings.

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