Weakness is strength. With such a yuan, no dollar is scary!

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Washington said Beijing did


We have been scared for so long by the coming fall of the dollar that it was not at all scary. Characteristically, Washington did not dare to make any direct statement that the dollar would be nice to lower. Such maxims were left to the analysts of leading banks, and only as a last resort - to representatives of the Fed. However, for a long time, everything was limited to hints and half-hints.





Beijing, without warning, did exactly what Washington was threatening. Now, from the People’s Bank of the Celestial Empire and even from the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China, they can say as much as they like that no manipulation of rates by China is carried out, and the decrease in the renminbi is caused by objective factors. However, you won’t go against the facts.

On August 5, the People’s Bank of China lowered the renminbi (more precisely, renminbi, this is the official name of the Chinese currency) to the dollar to a minimum: the average exchange rate at the level is 6,9225 per dollar. This almost immediately followed by a drop in exchanges below the key mark of 7 yuan per dollar.

The Chinese authorities commented on the fall of the national currency with a statement that “trade protectionism” and increased tariffs on Chinese goods in global markets are to blame. According to experts, the fact that the addressee claims the United States, no one doubts.

After China actually allowed the yuan to fall to the dollar below 7 yuan, the US president said: "This is called" currency manipulation. " Federal Reserve, do you hear? This is a serious violation that will weaken China significantly over time! ”



Recall, the other day, the American administration introduced 10-percent duties on Chinese goods for an impressive amount of 300 billion dollars. This measure will begin to operate on September 1, and the US President called the reason for it the failure of Beijing to fulfill promises to increase purchases of American agricultural products.

In response to this news, signifying the abolition of all ceasefires in the trade war with China, financial markets around the world have collapsed. The first Asian sites collapsed, and after them the American indices sank. After oil quotes fell immediately by seven percent, a stronger dollar became almost inevitable. Against this background, a targeted depreciation of the renminbi might not be necessary.

And a very small yuan!


The reasons for the constant attacks by the US administration and the Fed on the Chinese Central Bank are well known: the regular weakening of the renminbi has given and is giving significant competitive advantages to Chinese products.

In recent years, the yuan has depreciated against the dollar three times, and only slightly strengthened once - at the end of the 2017 year, by 6,2%. At the same time, in 2015, the yuan fell against the dollar by 6%, in 2016, by another 6,7%, and at the same time updated several minimum values ​​at once for eight and a half years. Finally, in the last 2018 year, the yuan rate again fell to the dollar - by 5,1%.

Weakness is strength. With such a yuan, no dollar is scary!


The immediate reason for President Trump's speech was the fact that over the weekend, the Chinese currency broke the key threshold of 7 yuan per dollar for the first time in more than ten years. On Monday, as soon as Washington was lit up with its accusations, the head of the country's central bank And Gang hastened to declare that China would not use the yuan as a tool to deal with external shocks. Among them, Comrade I named trade disputes.

The statement of the main Chinese banker was published on the website of the People’s Bank of China, and it is clearly stated that the PRC "will not participate in the competitive devaluation of the renminbi." Moreover, the authorities "will maintain stability and consistency in the policy of foreign exchange regulation."



It is not entirely clear why it was necessary to justify oneself who directly calls the presence of communist China on the world market an inevitable evil. And this is with extremely strict state regulation of the economy and finance of the country. Are the Chinese comrades afraid of falling under sanctions or being expelled from the WTO? But this, as the classic says, cannot be, because it can never be.

Today is Hong Kong, tomorrow is Iran


It should be noted that even before the decision on the September duties was made, Trump tried to arrange something like blackmail for the Chinese opponents, saying that the trade agreement should be signed before the fall of 2020. That is, before his possible re-election in the presidential election. Otherwise, the terms of the transaction will be more stringent in the future, Trump threatened. An additional factor of pressure on opponents in the trade wars was the decision to lower the Fed discount rate.

The fall of the renminbi is unlikely to be a direct response to such pressure. However, one cannot but give credit to the Chinese bankers for the fact that they are so skillfully able to turn the almost inevitable defeat into victory. After all, it is possible that the Chinese leadership was forced to go on term games with the yuan, among other things, by the difficult situation in Hong Kong, which could spoil almost everything in the established mechanism for financial support of all Chinese foreign trade.

It is by no means accidental on the same site of the NBK that the renminbi is currently at an acceptable level in accordance with China's fundamental economic indicators and market demand and supply. So says the head of the NBK, who at the same time noted that the central bank has experience and the ability to maintain stable operation of the foreign exchange market.

The Chinese government, usually unhurried in its decisions, immediately answered Trump's harsh criticism even more harshly. And much more specifically. Bloomberg reported that it had already ordered Chinese state-owned companies to suspend US imports of agricultural products. Well, the next step in opposition to Washington could well be a decision to increase oil purchases from Iran, which the Iranian media have already managed to tell, and not without their usual anti-American sarcasm.

Will the dollar win back on the ruble?


Monday became one of the blackest on Wall Street. This year, such a strong drop in quotations has not yet been noted. In conditions of moderate but stable growth of the American economy, the loss per day of 3-3,5 percent is a lot. And the forced purchase of US bonds, a recognized reserve asset, overturned all the calculations for at least a minimal weakening of the dollar, which Trump and the Fed so craved.

However, the US Federal Reserve is to some extent to blame for itself, since it did not support a one-time reduction in rates by any statements that the reduction will continue. It seems that the People’s Bank of China has decided to take advantage of even such an insignificant factor.

Having received a blow below the belt from China, the Donald Trump administration is already in a hurry to recoup on someone else. And since she already has practically nothing to take from Iran, Russia may well become the addressee. Moreover, Trump one way or another needs to “excuse himself” from accusations of having ties with the Russians and readiness for a constant dialogue with the Russian leader.



The next package of anti-Russian sanctions tied to the "Skripals case", which seems to be bothering everyone, could be regarded as a very serious blow if it were not a blow to the void. The fact is that the first and main sanction (restrictions on operations with the Russian public debt) is very selective and concerns only the initial placement of foreign currency bonds.

That is, ruble bonds can be bought by anyone and any number. The clarification of the sanctions package says: "The ban does not apply to bonds or loans denominated in rubles" and the sanctions "do not prohibit US banks from participating in the secondary market of Russian sovereign debt."

In addition to such, frankly, strange manipulations regarding our debt securities, the new sanctions provide for another “technical” ban on the financing of the Russian government by the IMF and the World Bank. But for almost ten years now we have had almost no relationship with them.

What’s called, they’ve settled and forgotten, we don’t even want to listen to the recommendations. But President Trump and his colleagues are ready to ban even the World Bank and IMF, that is, "providing the Russian authorities with" technical "assistance." By such help, as a rule, we mean just all sorts of consultations on macroeconomic policy. Including the notorious detailed IMF reports.

Once upon a time, pressure on Russia through loans from the IMF and World Bank was indeed very strong. Our budget simply burned and burst without regular tranches, although for some reason each of these tranches was invariably accompanied by an increase in construction activity in a number of elite villages near Moscow.
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  1. -8
    7 August 2019 05: 00
    oh, how much snowstorm is inspired, but there is still no winter, if the author believes that a depreciation of the renminbi will help China, I propose to see what will happen to him in 20 years, I don’t want to talk about the stocks, the drop was small, and they were not far from the peak
    1. +10
      7 August 2019 05: 34
      Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
      oh, how much snowstorm is inspired, but there is still no winter, if the author believes that a depreciation of the renminbi will help China, I propose to see what will happen to him in 20 years, I don’t want to talk about the stocks, the drop was small, and they were not far from the peak

      In the long term, this action does not threaten China. Trump duties have increased the price of Chinese goods by 10% for AMERICAN consumers. China reduced the renminbi by 7%, reducing the cost of its manufactured goods on the foreign market by the same 7%, i.e. for American consumers, their price has not changed. The only thing this leads to is a decrease in the availability of imported goods for the Chinese population, but the CCP will be able to agree with it. For all other countries except the USA, Chinese goods will fall in price by 7%. As an antidote to Trump's Wishlist, it is an ideal solution that shows the limited capabilities of the United States, and therefore - repeating such sanctions for the United States becomes pointless. This is not Russia, which simply does not pay attention to the sanctions imposed against it, therefore, it is possible to introduce more and more new ones against it, although in essence there is no sense in them laughing
      1. -4
        7 August 2019 05: 40
        Quote: Cube123
        Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
        oh, how much snowstorm is inspired, but there is still no winter, if the author believes that a depreciation of the renminbi will help China, I propose to see what will happen to him in 20 years, I don’t want to talk about the stocks, the drop was small, and they were not far from the peak

        In the long term, this action does not threaten China. Trump duties have increased the price of Chinese goods by 10% for AMERICAN consumers. China reduced the renminbi by 7%, reducing the cost of its manufactured goods on the foreign market by the same 7%, i.e. for American consumers, the price has not changed. The only thing this leads to is a decrease in the availability of imported goods for the Chinese population, but the CCP will be able to agree with it. For all other countries except the USA, Chinese goods will fall in price by 7%. As an antidote to Trump's Wishlist, it is an ideal solution that shows the limited capabilities of the United States, and therefore - repeating such sanctions for the United States becomes pointless. This is not Russia, which simply does not pay attention to the sanctions imposed against it, therefore, it is possible to introduce more and more new ones against it, although in essence there is no sense in them laughing

        1) Do you know that duties still bring money to the budget of the country that introduced it? 2) Yes, we generally sanctions on the drum only to our economists do not say that
        1. +6
          7 August 2019 05: 46
          Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
          1) Do you know that duties still bring money to the budget of the country that introduced it?

          I know, but in this case it is more important that for American consumers the price tags in stores for the duty-free will not change, and therefore the total volume of their purchases will not change. The rest of the Chinese goods will fall in price by 7%, which will make them even more competitive and they will be bought even more. China's surplus in trade with the United States will increase even more. And Trump got the result completely opposite to what he wanted. And in the US budget, these additional weather duties will not do.
          1. +2
            7 August 2019 06: 40
            Yes, I don’t argue here, the deficit is still growing, but I would like to look at the results at least in 5 years
            1. +5
              7 August 2019 07: 05
              Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
              Yes, I don’t argue here, the deficit is still growing, but I would like to look at the results at least in 5 years

              Yes, everything will be fine. China can afford such an action. A feature of China is that it imports mainly luxury goods. Consumer goods all their own. Therefore, the decrease in the value of the renminbi will be felt only by those who buy luxury goods in China, while the bulk of the population will not even know about it. In Russia, however, consumer goods are imported, so a similar step will affect the bulk of the population. Therefore, in Russia such a move is dangerous for the government, but in China - no.
              1. +2
                7 August 2019 07: 14
                true energy China buys more and more
                1. +2
                  7 August 2019 07: 18
                  Energy prices can be offset by increased foreign trade surpluses. This allows you to accumulate foreign currency and direct these surpluses to subsidizing purchases of certain groups of goods.
                  1. -2
                    7 August 2019 08: 02
                    compensate for what I'm talking about
                  2. -1
                    7 August 2019 08: 04
                    they’ve had quite a shortage for quite some time, you know
            2. 0
              7 August 2019 07: 59
              And why the blow only to the US and the dollar? Except the USA, the rest of the world (including us) do not buy Chinese goods? It turns out that China, by depreciating the renminbi, dealt a blow to the whole world and they become an obstacle to the development of the economy of all countries ...
        2. +3
          7 August 2019 07: 58
          Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
          1) Do you know that duties still bring money to the budget of the country that introduced it?

          And the response from China puts American agricultural producers on four bones and leads to their bankruptcy and job cuts in the industry. This action takes place on the eve of harvesting for which loans were taken and the volumes of which were planned taking into account deliveries to China. Farmers and corporations will have to feed the marmots and gophers. In anticipation of the presidential campaign in the United States, this is not the most thoughtful step.
          1. 0
            7 August 2019 08: 03
            yes poor US farmers, 150 billion dollars from sales, they are bankrupt
            1. +4
              7 August 2019 08: 16
              Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
              yes poor US farmers, 150 billion dollars from sales, they are bankrupt

              It is easy to lose the Chinese market, but to go back when the vacant niche is occupied by other suppliers is much more difficult, incl. the problem of American farmers is becoming long-term. You can feed hungry Africa, but it has no money, and mattresses have never been seen in the implementation of "free" humanitarian operations worth billions of dollars.
      2. 0
        7 August 2019 15: 59
        Quote: Cube123
        For all other countries except the USA, Chinese goods will fall in price by 7%

        then, in order to maintain balance (the PRC economy is not oriented), other countries must lower the rate of their currency in order to prevent increased competition from manufacturers from the PRC !!!!!
    2. 0
      8 August 2019 00: 25
      Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
      depreciation of the renminbi will help China, I propose to see what will happen to it in 20 years

      Where can I see such a movie?
      Or "the donkey dies"?
  2. -4
    7 August 2019 05: 26
    Well, it’s not free, because they devalued the Yuan, you have to pay for everything, and such a policy artificially lowering the currency for China will cost billions of the same dollars ....
    1. +1
      7 August 2019 16: 00
      Quote: Dechterev
      you have to pay for everything, and such a policy artificially lowering the currency for China will cost billions of the same dollars ....

      decode your thought, not in dollars, but in conditional food (for example, potatoes)
      1. -2
        8 August 2019 03: 13
        Quote: NEOZ
        Quote: Dechterev
        you have to pay for everything, and such a policy artificially lowering the currency for China will cost billions of the same dollars ....

        decode your thought, not in dollars, but in conditional food (for example, potatoes)

        Contact the Central Bank of China for decryption. After all, he artificially supports the yuan.
        1. +1
          8 August 2019 10: 28
          Quote: Dechterev
          Contact the Central Bank of China for decryption.

          I summarize: you can’t confirm your words. respectively, you write only slogans !!!!
          those. blah blah blah........
  3. +3
    7 August 2019 05: 49
    Trump and colleagues are ready to ban the World Bank and IMF even this, that is, "the provision of" technical "assistance to the Russian authorities."
    And that's good. T.N. "aid" from the IMF in the 90s is still buzzing, and today's "recommendations" to our liberal financiers do not benefit the country.
  4. +4
    7 August 2019 07: 06
    Hmm, China is fighting for the American consumer .. smile And by American methods ...
  5. 0
    7 August 2019 08: 09
    China, Venezuela, Syria and Ukraine. I would like it to be like in the Soviet program Vremya, about 1/6 articles on VO were allocated for international news. And the rest of the decisions of the president of the government, then the news from the fields and the factory, the next "successes" in the construction of capitalism. Then our Russian achievements in the international situation, then one little article like this "their customs".
    In the meantime, it turns out that we live like this, every time it is so according to the situation. Either everything is bad, because sanctions, or everything is good, because sanctions do not affect.
  6. +3
    7 August 2019 08: 37
    Let’s tell by the example of our factory operating in China for more than 10 years. When we started to transfer production to China, the wage of a worker in Israel howled on average about $ 1000, in China $ 80. Today the salary in China is $ 1100, we have $ 1200. In China, salaries are growing at an average of 8% per year. Engineers in China today get more than in Israel.

    Now the most interesting. We used to produce in China and sell all over the world. Low ArEmbi (yuan) was profitable since we paid salaries in RMB, and the products were sold for dollars. Most customers are now in China and pay for products at RMB. Conditionally, the drop or strengthening of RMB does not affect the cost or profit. Equipment and most components are not bought in China. Accordingly, the price of it has risen. Total profit fell.

    China won in the short term, in the long term it drove itself into a hole.
    1. 0
      7 August 2019 08: 51
      Quote: professor
      China won in the short term, in the long term it drove itself into a hole.

      The domestic salary in China is not in dollars, but in yuan. Therefore, it will also decrease by 7% in dollar terms. But in the domestic market, the cost of goods will also decrease by 7%, so the standard of living of the majority of the population will not change. And this will not cause any long-term pit. On the contrary, it will again become more profitable to order production in China.
      1. -1
        7 August 2019 10: 36
        Quote: Cube123
        But in the domestic market, the cost of goods will also decrease by 7%,

        Why does it decrease? They do not have a peg directly to the dollar.

        But it can increase: imported energy resources in RMB will rise in price, as well as imported components.

        z / board does not change.
        1. 0
          7 August 2019 12: 53
          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: Cube123
          But in the domestic market, the cost of goods will also decrease by 7%,

          Why does it decrease? They do not have a peg directly to the dollar.

          If the price of goods in yuan does not change, and the yuan against the dollar decreases by 7%, then the price of these goods in dollar terms reduced by 7%.
          1. 0
            7 August 2019 13: 02
            Quote: Cube123
            If the price in yuan for goods does not change, and the yuan against the dollar decreases by 7%, then the price of goods in dollar expression is reduced by 7%.

            What does the dollar have to do with it?
            in the domestic market, goods are sold for RMB.

            And the price of goods on the domestic market iswill increasebecause energy is bought for more expensive Dollars
            1. 0
              8 August 2019 07: 55
              Quote: Olgovich
              What does the dollar have to do with it?
              in the domestic market, goods are sold for RMB.

              Despite the fact that we are talking about a decrease in the yuan against the dollar.

              And in terms of energy - China imports less than half of its oil consumption. Therefore, there is no linear dependence of the cost of energy on the renminbi exchange rate. And the share of the cost of energy in the final cost of goods is far from 100%
              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Нефтяная_промышленность_Китая
              1. -2
                8 August 2019 09: 19
                Quote: Cube123
                Despite the fact that we are talking about reducing the renminbi in relation to the dollar.

                belay
                You yourself -forgot? We are talking about
                Quote: Cube123
                in the domestic market the cost of goods will also decrease by 7%

                What does not correspond to reality.
                Quote: Cube123
                And in terms of energy - China imports less than half of its oil consumption.

                Isn't that enough? belay Is gas not an energy carrier? In total, China purchased overseas in 2018. 90,39 million tons of natural gas, including liquefied natural gas (LNG), which 31,9% morethan in 2017 and much more own production
                Quote: Cube123
                Therefore, there is no linear dependence of the cost of energy on the renminbi exchange rate.

                there is also the most direct one: it follows from arithmetic — half will rise in price or all oil — the price as a whole — will rise anyway
                Quote: Cube123
                And the share of the cost of energy in the final cost of goods far from 100%

                What are you saying?
                1. 0
                  8 August 2019 09: 54
                  Good troll negative

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Quote: Cube123
                  in the domestic market, the value of goods will also decrease by 7%

                  What does not correspond to reality

                  In dollars - it will decrease. In RMB - will not change (+/-).

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Quote: Cube123
                  And the share of the cost of energy in the final cost of goods is far from 100%

                  What are you saying?

                  Yes, they tell you that there is no (in nature) product in which the cost of energy spent on its production would be 100%.

                  Disprove wink
                  1. -2
                    8 August 2019 10: 12
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Good troll

                    belay good rave
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    In dollars - it will decrease. .

                    We talked about YUAN, cm. above: read first, then speak.
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    In RMB - will not change (+/-).

                    Will grow because the cost of IMPORT energy carriers, IMPORT raw materials and IMPORT equipment — in RMB — will increase
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Yes, they tell you that there is no (in nature) product in which the cost of energy spent on its production would be 100%.

                    And the Volga flows into the Caspian Sea. wink
                    WHO claimed the opposite, imagine!

                    But the weight of the value of the goods is compulsory. The growth of a part is the growth in general. What's not clear?
                    1. 0
                      8 August 2019 11: 12
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      We talked about YUAN, cm. above: read first, then speak

                      What did you think about when you spoke - you better know. Topikstarter clearly explained to you:

                      Quote: Cube123
                      ... we say about the decline of the yuan against the dollar...

                      Do you have a problem reading? Or with reading comprehension?

                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Will grow because the cost of IMPORT energy carriers, IMPORT raw materials and IMPORT equipment — in RMB — will increase

                      Your persistence, but for peaceful purposes (s). Yes, it grows, grows ... the question is - how much, and whether the "ordinary Chinese" will notice it.

                      Quote: Olgovich
                      The weight of the value of the goods is compulsory. Growth of parts — growth in general

                      A bit of math:

                      1. Let 100% of the cost of production of goods is the value consumed in the production imported raw materials and energy (it’s already ridiculous. But for a pessimistic assessment - it’ll do).
                      2. Energy carriers (all-all) went up, like the dollar, by 7% (GYYY ...).

                      The question is how much (in the limit) can the price of goods in the domestic market of China rise in price? In RMB, yes, otherwise you will start to get confused again laughing
                      1. -2
                        8 August 2019 11: 46
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Och there inyou thought when they say - you better know. Topikstarter clearly explained to you:

                        Quote: Cube123
                        ... we are talking about a decline in the renminbi against the dollar ...


                        What you thought is unknown lol but topicsarter leads to:
                        Kubik123 (Andrey) Yesterday, 08: 51
                        0

                        Quote: professor
                        China won in the short term, in the long term it drove itself into a hole.

                        But in the domestic market the cost of goods will also decrease by 7%

                        At least it HAS now reached what the conversation was about, where did you get in without knowing where?

                        Или:
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Do you have a problem reading? Or with reading comprehension?

                        request
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Your persistence, but for peaceful purposes (s). Yes, grow, grow ... the question is how much, and whether the "ordinary Chinese" will notice it.

                        Yeah, look at the book, see ... lol

                        : The question, as we see, was completely OTHER:in the domestic market, the cost of goods will also decrease by 7%,.

                        What in fact, as it turns out, is complete nonsense.
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        A bit of math:

                        1. Let 100% of the cost of production of goods comprise the cost of imported raw materials and energy carriers consumed in the production (it’s already ridiculous. But for a pessimistic assessment, it’ll do).
                        2. Energy (all-all) rose, like the dollar, by 7% (GYYY ...).

                        The question is how much (in the limit) can rise in price of goods in the domestic market of China? In RMB, yes, otherwise you will start to get confused again

                        1. "GYYY" - what is it with you? request
                        2. Product will rise in price , and will not fall in price by 7% (which the opponent claimed).
                        Judging by the "mathematics", it finally reached you.
                      2. +1
                        8 August 2019 12: 09
                        And you are stubborn ... well, not to say otherwise laughing

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        topiksarter leads to:

                        Quote: Cube123
                        ... living standards of the majority of the population will not change. And this will not cause any long-term pit. On the contrary, it will again become more profitable to order production in China

                        This is the answer to:

                        Quote: professor
                        China won in the short run, driven itself into the pit in the long run

                        Everything else is a discussion of this thesis, um, top starter. Perhaps indisputable, but quite logical.

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        The product will rise in price, and will not fall in price by 7% (as claimed by the opponent)

                        In yuan in the limit - Yes. But, I repeat (for those who are on an armored train, GYYY) - there are no such "marginal goods" in nature.

                        "Will become cheaper" - it was about the dollar price.

                        By the way, according to the same Professor,

                        Quote: professor
                        In China, wages are growing at an average of 8% per year

                        So ordinary Chinese man will not feel anything. Professor - wrong, Cube123 - right. And here you are ... went for a walk.

                        PS: you yourself

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        topiksarter

                        ZZY: better argue with Boris, there you get at least funny Yes
                      3. 0
                        8 August 2019 12: 35
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        And you are stubborn ... well, not to say otherwise

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        topiksarter leads to:

                        Quote: Cube123
                        ... the standard of living of the majority of the population will not change. And this will not cause any long-term pit. On the contrary, it will again become more profitable to order production in China

                        This is the answer to:

                        Quote: professor
                        China won in the short run, driven itself into the pit in the long run

                        Everything else is a discussion of this thesis, um, top starter. Perhaps indisputable, but quite logical.

                        I discussed the specific part of his statement with Kubik "on reducing the cost of goods in the domestic market". Everything.

                        Got it?
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        In RMB, in the limit - Yes... But, I repeat (for those on an armored train, GYYY) - there are no such "marginal goods" in nature.

                        Without any limits, yes. And it is in RMB that it will increase, because domestic prices are in RMB
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        "Will become cheaper" - it was about the dollar price.

                        we are talking about DOMESTIC prices, i.e. about the price in yuan. Will rise in price
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        So the ordinary Chinese will not feel anything ..

                        belay lol
                        You, too, "will not feel" if you raise prices with a salary and ..... prices. lol And so would-feel- growth. Those. could buy more. Am I clearly spelling out?
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        And here you are ... went for a walk.

                        And "You weren't standing here" (c) - in general Yes
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        ZZY: better argue with Boris, there you get at least funny

                        and you-"train for .... Cats Man null"(c) -will be funny hi
      2. +3
        7 August 2019 11: 06
        Quote: Cube123
        Quote: professor
        China won in the short term, in the long term it drove itself into a hole.

        The domestic salary in China is not in dollars, but in yuan. Therefore, it will also decrease by 7% in dollar terms. But in the domestic market, the cost of goods will also decrease by 7%, so the standard of living of the majority of the population will not change. And this will not cause any long-term pit. On the contrary, it will again become more profitable to order production in China.

        The cost of goods will not decrease. A manufacturer in China buys both raw materials and equipment abroad. Replacing with Chinese is not so simple. About high-tech equipment generally keep quiet. Costs will go to the price.

        Quote: Cat Man Null
        The yuan is a completely liquid "commodity", I value Chinese goods in yuan - has not changed, where are the losses?

        Liquid goods per minute do not lose 7% of their value.

        Quote: kapitan92
        With the dedollarization, the Central Bank reduced its share in dollars, increasing in yuan from 2,3% to 14,2%. We bought yuan at an average of 6,3. At 7.08 it fell to 7,09 per dollar, which means that "money" in yuan "fell in price", hence the losses of the Central Bank of Russia. According to the forecasts of financiers, the Chinese will "lower" the yuan to 7,4, which means that the losses of our Central Bank will grow by another 1,5 -1,8 billion dollars. I am sure that I have explained to you quite clearly.

        good
    2. -3
      7 August 2019 10: 33
      prohvessor, and who told you that the dollar will not be "forced" to drop? And with a drop in exports from mattress, the question of who drove whom and where ...
    3. +2
      7 August 2019 10: 36
      Quote: professor
      China won in the short term, in the long term it drove itself into a hole.

      Honestly, I'm more interested in what kind of hole our Bank of Russia has driven itself into.
      The panic spurt into the Chinese yuan, undertaken by the Bank of Russia last year, continues to bear fruit.
      In two days, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation lost 1,8 billion dollars in the gold reserves of Russia, due to the devaluation of the renminbi. The Central Bank of the Russian Federation invested 14,2% of reserves in the RMB, or $ 67 billion at the beginning of the year, raising the level of reserves from 2,3 to 14,2%
      The accumulated losses from the de-dollarization of gold reserves and their hasty transfer to China are approaching $ 8 billion, from the second half of 2018.
      1. -3
        7 August 2019 10: 48
        Quote: kapitan92
        CBR invested 14,2% of reserves in RMB, or 67 billion

        Between January and May, 2019 reached a trade between Russia and China 42,46 billion dollars.


        It's over six months wink

        The yuan is a completely liquid "commodity", I value in yuan for Chinese goods - it has not changed, where are the losses?

        Quote: kapitan92
        Accumulated losses from de-dollarization of gold reserves and their hasty transfer to China are approaching 8 billion dollars

        Yeah. And you can still count in parrots ...
        1. +1
          7 August 2019 11: 01
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Between January and May 2019, trade between Russia and China reached $ 42,46 billion.

          This is all great, only what relation does the turnover have to the composition of the gold reserves of Russia?
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          The yuan is a completely liquid "commodity", I value Chinese goods in yuan - has not changed, where are the losses?

          Of course liquid, it even enters the pool of reserve currencies of the world.
          "Again twenty five" (pog). You will figure out for yourself what is the gold reserves of Russia and the price of Chinese goods!
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          where are the losses?

          With the dedollarization, the Central Bank reduced its share in dollars, increasing in yuan from 2,3% to 14,2%. We bought yuan at an average of 6,3. At 7.08 it fell to 7,09 per dollar, which means that "money" in yuan "fell in price", hence the losses of the Central Bank of Russia. According to the forecasts of financiers, the Chinese will "lower" the yuan to 7,4, which means that the losses of our Central Bank will grow by another 1,5 -1,8 billion dollars. I am sure that I have explained to you quite clearly.


          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Yeah. And you can still count in parrots ...

          Can! If there will be a pegging of the cost of the parrot to gold or a buck. laughing
          1. -2
            7 August 2019 11: 42
            Quote: kapitan92
            I am sure that I explained it to you quite intelligibly

            At the level of elementary mathematics and at this point in time - everything is correct.

            Quote: kapitan92
            You figure out for yourself what the gold reserves of Russia and the price of Chinese goods

            Let's figure it out together?

            Gold reserves - these are gold and foreign exchange reserves. Replenished by the receipt of foreign currency (from foreign trade) and purchases of precious metals (of the same gold) - mainly domestic.

            The size of gold reserves is estimated (according to an old habit) in dollars. Accordingly, with the fall of the renminbi to the dollar, the size of the gold and foreign currency reserves (in dollars) decreases.

            At the same time: no one bothers to withdraw these "yuan" from the gold reserves and use it for trade with China. Well no? The volume of trade, as it were, allows ...
            Prices for Chinese goods in RMB have not changed. So no?
            That is, if you look "from this point of view" - we, as it were, have not lost anything. Well no?

            And there are fluctuations in dollar prices for everything, even for gold.

            Quote: kapitan92
            If there will be a peg pricing to gold or bucks

            laughing good laughing
            1. -2
              7 August 2019 13: 10
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              At the same time: no one bothers to withdraw these "yuan" from the gold reserves and use it for trade with China. Well no? The volume of trade, as it were, allows ...
              Prices for Chinese goods in RMB have not changed. So no?
              That is, if you look "from this point of view" - we, as it were, have not lost anything. Well no?

              Yes. Is logical.

              But I still think there will be some losses: imported energy carriers will increase in price, which will also affect the cost of goods.
            2. 0
              7 August 2019 15: 40
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Let's figure it out together?

              Gold reserves - these are gold and foreign exchange reserves. Replenished by the receipt of foreign currency (from foreign trade) and purchases of precious metals (of the same gold) - mainly domestic.

              Let's. Gold reserves of Russia consist of: monetary gold, drag. metals and drag. stones, cash, deposits and loans (both domestically and abroad), special drawing rights, debt securities of other states, shares of highly profitable non-residents, etc.
              Previously, gold reserves were created in gold, now it is a pool of currencies and securities, drag. metals and stones.
              Gold reserves are replenished, including through foreign trade (mainly hydrocarbons), the purchase of gold, the actions of the Central Bank abroad with securities. Take Treasury for example, these debt obligations of the states were also included in the gold reserves of Russia.


              Quote: Cat Man Null
              The size of the gold and foreign currency reserves is estimated (according to an old habit) in dollars. Accordingly, with the fall of the renminbi to the dollar, the size of the gold and foreign currency reserves (in dollars) decreases.

              That's right. The Central Bank bought 6,3, and now the yuan has fallen to 7,09. Since mid-2018, at the fall of the yuan, the Central Bank has already lost (exchange rate difference) about 8 billion bucks.

              Quote: Cat Man Null
              At the same time: no one bothers to withdraw these "yuan" from the gold reserves and use it for trade with China. Well no?

              The fact is that after the announcement of the policy of avoiding settlements in dollars, the Central Bank "lowered" the share of the dollar in the gold and foreign exchange reserves and raised it in yuan from 2,5% to 14,2%. The structure of gold and foreign exchange reserves has changed, in addition, the Central Bank raised the share of the Japanese currency in its composition. Diversification, so to speak! To what extent it was economically justified, I cannot say, it is necessary to have the information of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, or our financiers have saluted and did it.
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              That is, if you look "from this point of view" - we, as it were, nothing and
              lost. Well no?

              You and I are nothing, but the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is about 8 billion, for now! But there is a "common" pocket !!! laughing
              Something like that! hi
              1. -3
                7 August 2019 16: 04
                Quote: kapitan92
                Something like that

                You did not answer the most interesting question:

                Quote: Cat Man Null
                no one bothers to withdraw these "yuan" from the gold reserves and use it for trade with China. Well no?

                So that? Well no? wink
                1. 0
                  7 August 2019 19: 49
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  You did not answer the most interesting question:

                  I'm not the head of the Central Bank of Russia. Our constitution is so "confused" about this "fourth" branch of power that the devil himself will break his leg. Look here: Here is paragraph 2 of article 75:

                  “Protecting and ensuring the stability of the ruble is the main function of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which it carries out independently of other government bodies.”
                  This is a public authority, as indicated by the word "others."

                  This idea is even more clearly formulated in the Federal Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation”. In article 1 of this law we read:

                  “Functions and powers provided for by the Constitution of the Russian Federation and this Federal Law, The Bank of Russia carries out independently of other federal bodies of state power, bodies of state power of the subjects of the Russian Federation and local governments. ”
                  Article 2 of the Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation” contains the following curious wording:

                  "The state is not liable for the obligations of the Bank of Russia, and the Bank of Russia - for the obligations of the state."

                  Here it is: the Bank of Russia is a federal government body (as it follows from Article 1 of the said law), and article 2 says that this government body is not responsible for the obligations of the state! And the most clumsy, this same article of the law explains:

                  «The Bank of Russia exercises authority over the possession, use and disposal of Bank of Russia property, including the Bank of Russia gold and currency reserves. Withdrawal and encumbrance of obligations of the specified property without the consent of the Bank of Russia are not allowed. ”
                  Here it is! The head of government, Mr. Medvedev, loves to proudly report to us that the country's foreign exchange reserves are growing. That today they have exceeded the bar of $ 400 billion. And it turns out that these are not the reserves of the Russian Federation, and not even the government, but the “gold and foreign exchange reserves of the Bank of Russia”. Which, perhaps, is not going to share these reserves with either the Russian Federation or the Government of the Russian Federation.. laughing
                  1. +1
                    7 August 2019 20: 06
                    Paneslaaaa ... sad

                    100500 times this has already been rubbed here ... The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is as independent of the Russian Federation as much as the US Federal Reserve is from the United States. I.e somewhat independent belay

                    What is the fact that this one is essentially the Central Banks of the respective countries. Just a thing.

                    Quote: kapitan92
                    ... it turns out that these are not the reserves of the Russian Federation, and not even the government, but “the gold and foreign exchange reserves of the Bank of Russia”. Which, perhaps, is not going to share these reserves with either the Russian Federation or the government of the Russian Federation ...

                    Nonsense. These are assets of the Russian Federation, but none of the (real) "branches of power" can directly manage them. And this, by the way, is correct.

                    Okay. Something we went to the side, you don’t want to talk about the yuan ... but sorry, it was interesting.
                    1. 0
                      7 August 2019 20: 16
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Okay. Something we went to the side, you don’t want to talk about the yuan ... but sorry, it was interesting.

                      Roman, I answered your question.
                      I quote myself:
                      “The Bank of Russia exercises authority over the possession, use and disposal of the property of the Bank of Russia, including gold and currency reserves of the Bank of Russia. Withdrawal and encumbrance of obligations of the specified property without the consent of the Bank of Russia are not allowed. ” hi
              2. 0
                8 August 2019 07: 18
                Quote: kapitan92
                So to say diversification! I can’t say how economically feasible this was, I need to have the Central Bank of Russia info, or our financiers took it and did it.

                Not "so to speak", but EXACTLY diversification. One falls, the other grows. The Central Bank invested about the same in gold as in the yuan, according to your estimates. And gold in the last week alone has grown by 6,5% https://www.finam.ru/profile/tovary/gold

                And over the year, its growth is 26% https://www.finam.ru/profile/tovary/gold/tehanalys-live-new/


                А investments in dollars can simply be simultaneously arrested by the United States, as happened with Venezuela, Iran, Libya ... And now this is a net loss!

                Therefore, do not worry, the Central Bank is doing everything right, just quietly "without noise and dust" laughing
      2. -3
        8 August 2019 03: 13
        Quote: kapitan92
        Honestly, I'm more interested in what kind of hole our Bank of Russia has driven itself into.

        Where, from Olympus or what? And in general, he did not drive, but continued the planned, constant descent.
    4. +1
      7 August 2019 16: 03
      Quote: professor
      China won in the short term, in the long term it drove itself into a hole.

      he didn’t drive himself anywhere, do not invent.
  7. +1
    7 August 2019 08: 58
    Something analysts in the article are not enough. I would even say that she is not there at all. But the author is like a Doctor of Economics? Where are the conclusions? "Is Omerige kranny or not?" A lot of water has been poured, but nothing in the case. What policy should we pursue?
    1. +1
      7 August 2019 10: 34
      to us, rinse the banana skin and wait ... when it swims ...
      1. 0
        7 August 2019 14: 35
        Subtly))) not everyone will understand)
  8. +4
    7 August 2019 09: 26
    American markets have fallen, the dollar has grown ... It seems that if the US falls apart, the dollar in Russia will still grow)
    1. 0
      7 August 2019 10: 35
      this is a speculative leap, let's see the movie next.
    2. -1
      7 August 2019 15: 33
      At the slightest specter of a crisis, the dollar is being bought up in tons.
      Therefore, it does not fall.
      This is already a reflex
  9. +1
    7 August 2019 09: 29
    SPEAK it a lot .....
    But really DO, this is more ......
  10. +1
    7 August 2019 11: 18
    The main silence is that the Russian Federation suffered from the fall of the yuan by 1,8 lard, which transferred part of its gold reserves to the yuan!)
    1. -1
      7 August 2019 16: 06
      Quote: Nestorych
      1,8 lard suffered from the Russian Federation, which transferred part of its gold reserves to the yuan!

      war without loss does not happen!
      ps
      if there were dollars in zvr, then the Americans could just reset them .....
  11. +1
    7 August 2019 12: 29
    China has a problem, but not directly related to inflation - it
    in the division of incomes - contrasts on the Ginny index in China
    it’s already huge now and inflation only strengthens them, and in such conditions it’s not easy to keep the nation united. Performances in Hong Kong and Shinjian will soon seem like flowers.
    It takes a very great will and wisdom to go through these phenomena without big losses.
  12. 0
    7 August 2019 13: 00
    in fact, this is a Chinese greeting to the whole world, even ashamed of our economic "growth". At the same time, proof of the effectiveness of the Chinese model of communism.
  13. -2
    7 August 2019 15: 29
    Great replacement for the dollar.
    You keep such a millionaire in RMB.
    Oops and lose 7%
    1. -3
      7 August 2019 15: 36
      It seems to be a shot in the foot.

      With such "games", what confidence in the yuan.
      1. 0
        7 August 2019 16: 08
        Quote: maden.usmanow
        With such "games", what confidence in the yuan.

        ask Venezuela / Iraq / Libya what currency they invested !!!!!!
        1. -1
          8 August 2019 03: 21
          Quote: NEOZ
          Quote: maden.usmanow
          With such "games", what confidence in the yuan.

          ask Venezuela / Iraq / Libya what currency they invested !!!!!!

          right role model belay
  14. 0
    7 August 2019 15: 42
    How to manipulate its currency, even China has a lot to learn from our Central Bank. Who perfectly learned to "earn" on the depreciation of the ruble. But this has a detrimental effect on the well-being of the population. So, that there is nothing good in such tactics - NO
    1. -1
      7 August 2019 15: 57
      Quote: svp67
      So, there’s nothing good in such tactics - NO

      Sergey, they have already explained a couple of times why this will not affect the Chinese. Literate, by the way, people explained - the same Cube123.
      1. 0
        7 August 2019 16: 21
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Sergey, they have already explained a couple of times why this will not affect the Chinese.

        From a one-time use of such tactics, maybe not, but if they start to really "abuse" this, it will affect, cannot but affect. Forgive me, but if you are forced to make purchases abroad, at an ever higher price, then you will be more and more expensive to sell it inside the country. And China is largely dependent on purchases from abroad, the same energy and food
        1. +1
          9 August 2019 04: 56
          Quote: svp67
          From a one-time use of such tactics, maybe not, but if they start to really "abuse" this, it will affect, cannot but affect.

          Sergey, and no one even says that the everyday use of such tactics is good. It's about using such tactics as defense and attack weapons in a trade war that the non-Chinese started. A kind of subtle hint at a thick circumstance: "you will continue, you will make yourself worse." This is where the skill comes in.
  15. These are dangerous games, since they can negatively affect all its players, including Russia. The slowdown in the economy of the European Union and China will lead to a decrease in demand for raw materials, which will hit domestic exports. In addition, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, denominated in renminbi, began to “steal”. Due to the depreciation of the renminbi, Russia has already lost 1,8 billion dollars in dollar terms. And if Beijing continues its policy of weakening the yuan, the losses of our country could begin to amount to tens of billions. Recall that Russia withdrew about 100 billion dollars from US securities (DEDOLLARIZATION) last year by investing them in euros, yen and yuan. The volume of investments in Chinese currency amounted to about 44 billion dollars.
    1. +1
      9 August 2019 07: 39
      Would you stop nonsense to write.

      Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve
      Due to the depreciation of the renminbi, in dollar terms, Russia has already lost 1,8 billion in August

      Well, lost ... so what? What is panic about?

      International reserves of the Russian Federation:


      On 02.08.2019: $ 516,8 billion. Losses on the yuan - 0.4%. Is this a cause for panic? wink

      Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve
      if Beijing continues its policy of weakening the yuan, the losses of our country may begin to amount to tens of billions

      And if a brick falls on you, then you will hardly be able to "analyze". The logic of your assumption is preserved, mind you.

      Count how much China should devalue the yuan so that the losses would "amount to tens of billions". And then try to think.

      Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve
      Recall that Russia withdrew about 100 billion from US securities last year (DEDOLLARIZATION)

      Thanks, Cap laughing

      Estessno, it was necessary to leave in bucks. Dedollarization? No no no need laughing
      1. +1
        9 August 2019 08: 47
        Roman, in terms of discussing tactics and strategies laughing for some reason I remembered the "song about the scapegoat" of the unforgettable Vladimir Semenovich
  16. Quote: Cat Man Null
    Would you stop nonsense to write.

    Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve
    Due to the depreciation of the renminbi, in dollar terms, Russia has already lost 1,8 billion in August

    Well, lost ... so what? What is panic about?

    International reserves of the Russian Federation:


    On 02.08.2019: $ 516,8 billion. Losses on the yuan - 0.4%. Is this a cause for panic? wink

    Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve
    if Beijing continues its policy of weakening the yuan, the losses of our country may begin to amount to tens of billions

    And if a brick falls on you, then you will hardly be able to "analyze". The logic of your assumption is preserved, mind you.

    Count how much China should devalue the yuan so that the losses would "amount to tens of billions". And then try to think.

    Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve
    Recall that Russia withdrew about 100 billion from US securities last year (DEDOLLARIZATION)

    Thanks, Cap laughing

    Estessno, it was necessary to leave in bucks. Dedollarization? No no no need laughing

    ***
    1. . There is no panic. There is an analysis of the situation. Consider, not in isolation, the last fall of the renminbi, but in conjunction with other events ... as world philosophy teaches ... and logic as the primary attribute of philosophy.
    2. Once you study the loss of the Central Bank, at least in 2017-2019, at least from:
    - Convert Euros to dollars in 2017;
    - Convert dollars to yuan in 2017-2019;
    - falling gold prices 2019;
    - from reorganization of banks,
    so come back to continue the discussion about the benefits of loss, which you unleashed out of the blue.
    3. And if a brick falls on me (on you or someone else) it has nothing to do with the topic.
    Your logic is not something that is not saved, it is missing. For if Beijing continues its policy of weakening the renminbi, the losses of our country could begin to amount to tens of billions, a long further war of sanctions, tariffs, duties, excise taxes and currencies between the USA and China, a slowdown in trade between the USA and China and a drop in their GDP growth, respectively, falling prices for oil, gas, metals, etc., imported from Russia against the backdrop of stagnation in Russia caused by external and internal factors.
    4. I did not write that "Estessno, I should have left it in bucks. De-dollarization? No, no, don't." This was written by you ... as well as other nonsense (if you won't be correct, I'll communicate with you in your language!)
    5. If I wrote what would have to be done, I would write like this:
    5.1. Reduce the export of capital.
    .2. Partially use capital. 1) + NWF + RZB + PFR + accumulation of citizens for domestic investments in science, technology, industry, agriculture, infrastructure, education, job creation, etc., and not invest in foreign currencies.
    6. Money should work for their country, their state, their population, and not lie in the form of other people's papers and digital data at dubious interest in the pantries, on the servers of their own and other banks.
    1. +2
      9 August 2019 09: 00
      Quote: Lieutenant Colonel USSR Air Force in stock
      For if Beijing continues its policy of weakening the renminbi, the losses of our country can begin to amount to tens of billions, a prolonged further war of sanctions, tariffs, duties, excise taxes and currencies between the USA and China, a slowdown in trade between the USA and China and a drop in their GDP growth, respectively, a drop in oil, gas, metals and other prices imported from Russia amid stagnation in Russia caused by external and internal factors.

      Efim, understand the simple thing. There are currently no losses. Russia itself can decide from which components to assemble gold reserves. And nothing prevents, for example, now buying in China for the renminbi absolutely the same amount of goods as before the depreciation of the renminbi. Their absolute volume has not changed. Losses will occur only if it becomes necessary to sell these yuan for dollars, and to buy something for these dollars. This is a completely different story.
    2. -1
      9 August 2019 10: 08
      Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve
      if Beijing continues its policy of weakening the yuan, the loss of our country can start to be tens of billions

      However ... the second time already ... You are just a miracle, I already want to see you laughing

      Here's a children's puzzle for you: The yuan was devalued by 7%, while the Central Bank of the Russian Federation lost $ 1.8 billion. How much should the yuan be devalued so that the Central Bank’s losses amounted to $ 20 billion?

      Let's assume that "two is a bunch", you write about "tens" there.

      When you decide - come in, talk Yes
  17. Quote: Cube123
    Quote: Lieutenant Colonel USSR Air Force in stock
    For if Beijing continues its policy of weakening the renminbi, the losses of our country can begin to amount to tens of billions, a prolonged further war of sanctions, tariffs, duties, excise taxes and currencies between the USA and China, a slowdown in trade between the USA and China and a drop in their GDP growth, respectively, a drop in oil, gas, metals and other prices imported from Russia amid stagnation in Russia caused by external and internal factors.

    Efim, understand the simple thing. There are currently no losses. Russia itself can decide from which components to assemble gold reserves. And nothing prevents, for example, now buying in China for the renminbi absolutely the same amount of goods as before the depreciation of the renminbi. Their absolute volume has not changed. Losses will occur only if it becomes necessary to sell these yuan for dollars, and to buy something for these dollars. This is a completely different story.

    ***
    1) It is enough to calculate the complex losses of the Central Bank, at least in 2017-2019, at least, from:
    - Convert Euros to dollars in 2017;
    - Convert dollars to yuan in 2017-2019;
    - falling gold prices 2019;
    - from the reorganization of banks, but in the internet there are figures of these losses, against the background of the imposed sanctions, stagnation, so that "At present there are no losses." have become "At the present time (2017-2019) there are losses" and, undoubtedly, will be in the future.
    2) "And nothing prevents, for example, now to buy in China for the yuan is absolutely the same amount of goods as before the fall of the yuan." Partially true, 12-15% of trade between the RF and the PRC is carried out in their currencies.
    But, any fall in national currencies causes, sooner or later, an internal price increase in China.
    3) Earlier, I helped one Russian factory in its acquisition of equipment in China. So all prices were not in RMB, not in rubles, but in euros. The risks of concluding contracts in stable currencies are less than in two unstable ones. Any commercial entities will try to trade in dollars and euros.
    3) The STATE of the Russian Federation (in the form of state structures) in the STATE of the PRC has previously bought on the basis of, for example, Government Decision No. 556 of 05.05.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX in which the procedure for planning and making public procurement by customers who work abroad is normalized.
    The Regulation on the features of planning and procurement by customers operating in a foreign country states:
    1. To determine the following features of procurement planning by customers operating in the territory of a foreign state (hereinafter referred to as customers):
    a) customers have the right to plan their purchases in US dollars * through the formation, approval and maintenance of a procurement plan for goods.
    * That is, of course, sellers will try to buy in dollars, and this right is given to customers (government agencies of the Russian Federation).
    1. -1
      9 August 2019 10: 51
      Efim, the problem with your reasoning is that you mix several absolutely dissimilar concepts in them. The Central Bank of the Russian Federation does not conduct commercial activities, therefore, the losses listed by you have the form of "paper profits / losses". Those. profit / loss that has nothing to do with real life. It's like selling one share on the stock exchange at a price higher than the market price, you can get "paper profit" from increasing the company's capitalization by tens of billions of dollars. But in reality, such a profit cannot be obtained in money, since there is no buyer willing to pay REAL money for this share out of pocket at a non-market price.

      The only function of gold reserves formed by the Central Bank is to serve as collateral for the issue of the ruble. They are not used for cash payments. Yes, the fall of the renminbi should reduce the amount of securities issued by the Central Bank, but a 6,5% increase in gold, also in gold reserves over the past week, made possible not a reduction, but a significant increase in permissible emissions. And the dollar, in relation to gold, generally lost a quarter of its value over the year. And what has this changed in real life? Only the numbers on the computer screens have changed.
  18. Quote: Cube123
    Efim, the problem with your reasoning is that you mix several absolutely dissimilar concepts in them. The Central Bank of the Russian Federation does not conduct commercial activities, therefore, the losses listed by you have the form of "paper profits / losses". Those. profit / loss that has nothing to do with real life. It's like selling one share on the stock exchange at a price higher than the market price, you can get "paper profit" from increasing the company's capitalization by tens of billions of dollars. But in reality, such a profit cannot be obtained in money, since there is no buyer willing to pay REAL money for this share out of pocket at a non-market price.

    The only function of gold reserves formed by the Central Bank is to serve as collateral for the issue of the ruble. They are not used for cash payments. Yes, the fall of the renminbi should reduce the amount of securities issued by the Central Bank, but a 6,5% increase in gold, also in gold reserves over the past week, made possible not a reduction, but a significant increase in permissible emissions. And the dollar, in relation to gold, generally lost a quarter of its value over the year. And what has this changed in real life? Only the numbers on the computer screens have changed.

    ***
    So, the fall of June reduced the gold reserves. At least say something. A strange blessing.
    Yes, I understand that, based on your logic, the ruble needs to be dropped a few more times and happiness will come ... for the people.
    1. +1
      10 August 2019 08: 17
      Quote: Lieutenant Colonel USSR Air Force in stock
      So, the fall of June reduced the gold reserves. At least say something. A strange blessing.
      Yes, I understand that, based on your logic, the ruble needs to be dropped a few more times and happiness will come ... for the people.

      Yefim, do not distort. I haven’t written anywhere that this is good. I tried to explain to you that the fall of the renminbi did not bring real losses for Russia.

      You want to consider the issue through reducing gold reserves. You are welcome. Yes, if gold had not increased, then the fall of the yuan would have reduced the gold reserves. By 0,7% (the product of the value of the renminbi falling by its share in gold reserves). Are you satisfied? In order to win back the CBR, it would have to either reduce the issue by 0,7%, or lower the ruble by the same 0,7%. That’s all - there are no other consequences. The growth of gold made even this unnecessary.

      Give a simple example from my logic. There is a segment. Its length can be measured in inches, it can be measured in centimeters. The numbers will be different, but the segment is the same. It will not become longer, nor shorter, nor worse, nor better from the fact that it was measured in inches, and not in centimeters.

      The fall of the yuan did not bring real losses to Russia. For the same yuan today, you can buy exactly the same amount of goods as before the fall in the rate. And now about the "happiness that has come wink ": For the same ruble, you can now buy 7% more goods in China.

      Now about the dollar. In a year, in relation to gold, it lost a quarter in a year, in 20 years only 15% of its value remained of it, since 1971 less than 2% of it has remained, in a hundred years - less than XNUMX%. In the investment world, such securities are called "junk". Would you like to calculate what losses have brought investments in the dollar all over the planet? But they are the foundation of the external welfare of the United States.
  19. Quote: Cube123
    if gold had not increased, then the fall of the yuan would have reduced the gold reserves.

    Banal buchaltery:
    1. Gold Growth - Income.
    2. The fall of the ruble and the renminbi. Consumption
    3. The growth of gold in the fall of the ruble and RMB is the income from the growth of gold and expenses in the fall of the ruble and RMB in relation to world currencies.
    4. As a result of 3) Revenues minus expenses Expenses are profit.
    5. In any case, at least on the forehead, at least on the forehead: Profit decreased by the amount of expenses. And these are losses in the renminbi compared to the possible profit level, for example, in euros ... and all because of the fall of the ruble and the renminbi.
    Since the article and discussions were about yuan, I wrote about the yuan. But also about the ruble exchange rate.
    6. Once you have added gold, then you need to look in the complex and for other components:
    - taking into account the growth in the value of gold purchased at prices below today's https://www.calc.ru/dinamika-Gold.html, and above current prices http://global-finances.ru/zolotovalyutnyie-rezervyi-rossii/;
    - on profits from hateful growth in the value of the dollar and the euro against the ruble in the gold and foreign currency reserves and from the current receipts of dollars and euros to the treasury at a higher rate against the ruble;
    - for losses with a fall in the cost of oil;
    - for losses from falling value of metals
    - on tax, customs and other revenues to the treasury .. etc. with very huge calculations of income, expenses and profits in the complex.
    This has already gone beyond the topic under discussion:
    "Weakness is strength. With such a yuan, no dollar is scary!"
    whose antilogic is such that
    "Weakness is strength. With such a ruble, no dollar is terrible!", Which means that the ruble must be brought down to infinity and this is a blessing ...
    and people will see an increase in the cost of living with the fall of the ruble, an increase in the cost of goods and services with an increase in exports from Russia, an increase in the cost of imported and domestic products in Russia itself ... and they will run and buy dollars and euros in order to save their savings.
    1. +1
      10 August 2019 11: 38
      A wonderful method of discussion: first, think up for the interlocutor that he did not say, and then convince him that specifically this is not right laughing
      Quote: Lieutenant Colonel USSR Air Force in stock
      "Weakness is strength. With such a yuan, no dollar is scary!"
      whose antilogic is such that
      "Weakness is strength. With such a ruble, no dollar is terrible!", Which means that the ruble must be brought down to infinity and this is a blessing ...

      ...
      Quote: Lieutenant Colonel USSR Air Force in stock
      and people will see an increase in the cost of living with the fall of the ruble, an increase in the cost of goods and services with an increase in exports from Russia, an increase in the cost of imported and domestic products in Russia itself ... and they will run and buy dollars and euros in order to save their savings.

      Yes, someday their financial literacy will increase and they will start to think with their own heads.

      And modern financial life is generally unfair. Its essence was formulated by the English mathematician and writer Lewis Carroll in the XNUMXth century in "Alice in Wonderland": "You have to run very fast to stay put." The whole modern economy is built on this principle. The one who runs faster wins. drinks

      Compensated for you someone else's minus.
  20. Quote: Cube123
    A wonderful method of discussion: first, think up for the interlocutor that he did not say, and then convince him that specifically this is not right laughing
    Quote: Lieutenant Colonel USSR Air Force in stock
    "Weakness is strength. With such a yuan, no dollar is scary!"
    whose antilogic is such that
    "Weakness is strength. With such a ruble, no dollar is terrible!", Which means that the ruble must be brought down to infinity and this is a blessing ...

    ...
    Quote: Lieutenant Colonel USSR Air Force in stock
    and people will see an increase in the cost of living with the fall of the ruble, an increase in the cost of goods and services with an increase in exports from Russia, an increase in the cost of imported and domestic products in Russia itself ... and they will run and buy dollars and euros in order to save their savings.

    Yes, someday their financial literacy will increase and they will start to think with their own heads.

    And modern financial life is generally unfair. Its essence was formulated by the English mathematician and writer Lewis Carroll in the XNUMXth century in "Alice in Wonderland": "You have to run very fast to stay put." The whole modern economy is built on this principle. The one who runs faster wins. drinks
    Compensated for you someone else's minus.


    1. I often quote this phrase from L. Carroll myself.
    2. "Weakness is strength. With such a yuan, no dollar is scary!", The question of who benefits from this and who loses, there are different sides of the process, different positive and negative aspects.
    3. I am fine with financial literacy: I do not keep all the eggs from my poultry farm in one basket.

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