The first Su-30СМ1 fighters will go into the troops in the 2020 year

The upgraded Su-30СМ1 aircraft will begin to enter the VKS from next year, the Ministry of Defense has already ordered the first batch of advanced fighters. This is reported by "Izvestia" with reference to the military department.

The first modernized multifunctional Su-30СМ1 fighters will begin to enter the VKS from next year, and serial deliveries will begin in the 2021 year. The first two aircraft delivered to the troops will be used to train pilots, the first squadron, completely re-equipped with a new aircraft, will appear in 2021. Further, it is planned to modernize the entire existing Su-30СМ fleet to the level of Su-30СМ1.

The Ministry of Defense noted that the upgraded Su-30СМ1 was created taking into account the operation and experience gained during the operation in Syria. As previously reported, the new fighters are largely unified with the Su-35. The upgraded version received engines AL-41F1С. This engine has increased power and a controlled thrust vector, as well as four times longer life and reduced fuel consumption. In addition, a new radar station with a phased array H035 Irbis is installed on the fighter. The aircraft also received new ammunition - KAB-250 adjustable bombs and X-59MK2 air-to-surface missiles.

The upgraded aircraft has increased cruising speed, less fuel consumption, increased flight time. But it is much more important that now the aircraft is unified with the Su-35 and this makes their repair easier and cheaper. The new radar will make the Su-30СМ1 more effective in any combat environment. It is on the radar that all the characteristics of the aircraft as an air fighter depend

- said military expert Anton Lavrov.

Comments

[Zaurbek]

It’s time already to install Belka during modernization on Su30 / 35 ... the enemy does all this.

[kjhg]

Radar with AFAR is more efficient, but also much more expensive. Perhaps it will still be installed during the second stage of modernization, say, to the Su-30SM2 version. Two years ago, the Indians were offered a project to modernize the Su-2MKI to the Super Sukhoi version, where the Al-30F41S engines and a radar with AFAR would stand. If in the future the Indians sign this contract, it will allow to recoup the development of a radar with AFAR and reduce the cost of it for our videoconferencing.

[voyaka uh]

Squirrel does not fit in size on the Su-30 and 35

[kit88]

Quote: voyaka uh

Squirrel does not fit in size on the Su-30 and 35

Alarms your statement.
Let me ask you which block fits in the Su-57 and does not fit in the Su-30 and 35?

[voyaka uh]

For a long time, during some discussion of Russian radars, I asked / wondered: why the AFAR Belar radar is not installed on the Su-35.
It would be logical, in my opinion. And I received the answer: "I would be happy, but physically impossible. It is necessary to redo the fuselage."

[Grigory_45]

Quote: voyaka uh

And he received the answer: "I would be happy, but physically impossible. It is necessary to redo the fuselage."

strange answer. The Squirrel's canvas will be even a little less than the Irbis canvas. There may be problems when installing the antennas of the side-view system - yes, there is no way without serious revision of the fuselage. Well, they can not be installed.

[Maxwrx]

I read that everything is simpler - Russia still cannot do serial AFAR. And what is being done will go to SU-57. Then when they learn, they will do more modernization, again the engine from the su-57 will still be installed

[Zaurbek]

Strange, Su35 is bigger than Su57 ... maybe what kind of cooling system? And so the radar fairing is 1,5 times more.

[Sky strike fighter]

In addition, a new radar station with a phased antenna array N035 "Irbis" is being installed on the fighter.

It is more promising to put AFAR Zhuk-AM.PFAR N035 "Irbis" is not resistant to interference.

The aircraft also received new ammunition - KAB-250 corrected aerial bombs and Kh-59MK2 air-to-surface missiles.

X-59MK2 is our answer JAASM, Scalp. Surely it will be possible to use from the Su-30CM1 and Grom-E1, Grom-E2 is our version of JDAM. Well, KAB-500, KAB-1500.

[Nevsky_ZU]

And what will now be the difference between Su-30СМ1 from su-35? The presence of the second pilot-operator?
Isn't the principle of synergy between the pilot and the computer, as a prologue to the Su-35, laid on the Su-57?
Now the second pilot on the Su-30СМ1 will click the seeds during the flight or what ?!
I hope the Su-34 will begin to modernize.

[bober1982]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Now the co-pilot on the Su-30СМ1

On the Su-30 navigator, and not the second pilot, there is a difference.

[Zaurbek]

Isn't it two pilots?

[bober1982]

In ChVVAKUSH they prepare navigators, including on the Su-30, there is no second pilot on it.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: bober1982

In ChVVAKUSH they prepare navigators, including on the Su-30, there is no second pilot on it.

Yes, where does the second pilot, are you a bookworm or something ?! Ok, let it be not the operator, but the navigator. Second person! Answer the question, don't play the terminology.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: bober1982

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Now the co-pilot on the Su-30СМ1

On the Su-30 navigator, and not the second pilot, there is a difference.

I designated him as an operator. Do you like to argue for checkers? But you never answered. If the Su-30SM1 is included in the Su-35 niche as a result of modernization. What's the difference then? Or avionics and onboard equipment on the Su-35 will not be transferred to the Su-30SM1, although the Irbis radar and engine are already an application for the Su-35 duplication. Will the Su-35 be upgraded, or will it finally be replaced by the Su-57?

[Zaurbek]

The difference is that with the operator / navigator, theoretically, you can replace Su34 .....

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Zaurbek

The difference is that with the operator / navigator, theoretically, you can replace Su34 .....

Thank you so much. This is what I wanted to hear.

[Zaurbek]

If ours give birth to a hanging container TSU

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Zaurbek

If ours give birth to a hanging container TSU

Well, that’s already easier I think.

[sivuch]

You should not think so. It is very difficult to give birth to a hanging container with optronics. The peregrine falcon flies with a bang, and no one has really seen the NIIPPvsky T220 yet. Although, of course, they will bring it, it is simply necessary

[sivuch]

Try to hang the Owl or SAP-30 under the Su-35 (or Su-14)

[bober1982]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

I designated it as an operator

There are no operators there, this is not the second cup on the Tu-16

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: bober1982

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

I designated it as an operator

There are no operators there, this is not the second cup on the Tu-16

Everything is clear with you, go to work as a teacher at school, they will give you red paste to the pen.

[bober1982]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

But you never answered

What didn’t I answer? - how do I know what the difference is, probably, that there is no navigator on the Su-35.

[Zaurbek]

Autonomy is different flight.

[Sky strike fighter]

If the Su-30SM1 is included in the Su-35 niche as a result of modernization. What's the difference then? Or avionics and on-board equipment on the Su-35 will not be transferred to the Su-30SM1, although the Irbis radar and engine are already an application to duplicate the Su-35. Will the Su-35 be upgraded, or will it finally be replaced by the Su-57?

We didn’t make a twin from Su-35С, we decided to go from the opposite and endow the twin with Su-30СМ in the version of Su-30СМ1 onboard radar and engines from Su-35С. There will be no modernization of the Su-35С. They will switch to the Su-57. The Su-30СМ1 is a multi-functional spark including ground work, the Su-35С is a fighter for gaining air superiority, the Su-57 is a new generation machine combining these two functions. have Su-57 been made for so many years? And Irbis is a good radar for Su-30СМ1, at least according to the developer.

Our institute has developed and brought to serial implementation five systems with phased array, including the "Irbis" for the Su-35S fighter of the "4 ++" generation. This is an invaluable experience. At least in terms of detection range, "Irbis" surpasses all known in the world airborne radars with conventional phased antenna arrays and with AFAR.

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/106204/

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

We didn’t make a twin from Su-35С, we decided to go from the opposite and endow the twin with Su-30СМ in the version of Su-30СМ1 onboard radar and engines from Su-35С. There will be no modernization of the Su-35С. They will switch to the Su-57. The Su-30СМ1 is a multi-functional spark including ground work, the Su-35С is a fighter for gaining air superiority, the Su-57 is a new generation machine combining these two functions. have Su-57 been made for so many years? And Irbis is a good radar for Su-30СМ1, at least according to the developer.

I also thank you for the answer, and that you do not find fault with the terminology. And clearly and more than voluminously answered.

[Herman 4223]

The difference is that the su-30 can be used as an aerial combat control aircraft. The operator is not distracted by piloting, take control and management of the air situation.

[tomket]

Quote: bober1982

On the Su-30 navigator, and not the second pilot, there is a difference.

Does the navigator on the Su-30 perform purely navigational tasks? Or is he sitting there waiting for a hanging sighting container?

[bober1982]

Quote: tomket

Does the navigator on the Su-30 perform purely navigational tasks?

Yes, and whose? They flew to An-26 and Tu-134 at the school, they did not hold either the control knobs or the helm, aerodynamics do not know (as it should be for a real navigator), then graduate, Lipetsk center, regiment - where they will quickly learn how to solve navigational problems.

[tomket]

Quote: bober1982

Yes, and whose? They flew to An-26 and Tu-134 at the school, they did not hold either the control knobs or the helm, aerodynamics do not know (as it should be for a real navigator), then graduate, Lipetsk center, regiment - where they will quickly learn how to solve navigational problems.

And why didn’t they enter the engineer and radio operator-gunner on the Su-30 then?

[sivuch]

Then the stewardess

[bober1982]

Quote: tomket

And why didn’t they enter the engineer and radio operator-gunner on the Su-30 then?

Su-30, still not Tu-95

[tomket]

Quote: bober1982

Su-30, still not Tu-95

But for some reason they pushed the navigator there (if he is of course the navigator, and not the weapons operator)

[Grigory_45]

Quote: tomket

But for some reason they pushed the navigator there (if he is of course the navigator, and not the weapons operator)

navigator operator. It performs the same functions as the second crew member in foreign matches.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

They wrote nonsense about "clicking seeds".

One pilot is enough for a plane that is more a fighter to gain superiority in the air like a Su-35, in addition, with one pilot such a plane is lighter, which means maneuverable, and for attacking ground and sea targets it’s also better to be covered by air defense when one pilot controls the plane and not be distracted by the use of weapons, so as not to miss the attack on your plane and take countermeasures in time, and the navigator uses the weapon without being distracted by piloting.

In fact, Su-30СМ1 is the same Su-35, only more intended for work on the ground. Su-35 can do this too, but on Su-30СМ1 it will be much more efficient.

[Zaurbek]

30 she herself can search for targets and bomb herself.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

They wrote nonsense about "clicking seeds".

One pilot is enough for a plane that is more a fighter to gain superiority in the air like a Su-35, in addition, with one pilot such a plane is lighter, which means maneuverable, and for attacking ground and sea targets it’s also better to be covered by air defense when one pilot controls the plane and not be distracted by the use of weapons, so as not to miss the attack on your plane and take countermeasures in time, and the navigator uses the weapon without being distracted by piloting.

In fact, Su-30СМ1 is the same Su-35, only more intended for work on the ground. Su-35 can do this too, but on Su-30СМ1 it will be much more efficient.

He understood me best, i.e. my question was fully answered by the user with a nickname Sky strike fighter. No wonder he has a fighter on his avatar))
Another commentator found fault that I called the navigator "co-pilot-operator", but you personally did not see my main message:
1. The fate of Su-35 after su-30СМ1 appear?
2. If the Su-30СМ1 is pulled by the engine and radar to the Su-35, in which the concept is based on the 5 generation fighter, where there is almost a unity of the pilot and the on-board computer, then what will remain of the work for the navigator of the Su-30СМ1 then? After all, it is logical that after the engine and radar from the Su-35, its avionics will pass to the su-30СМ1? After all, it is logical that more and more tasks are performed by the computer, otherwise why do we need Su-57 and its forerunner Su-35?
Here are actually my main questions and thoughts.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The use of weapons will be vseravno for the person, and here is the second person in the Su-30SM1 just for this and needed. To hit targets, sometimes multiple, on the ground, and even so as not to hurt their own, which are a few hundred meters from these targets, is much more difficult than attacking a single target in the air.

And the Su-35 will be more used as a fighter.

They are doing everything right.

[tomket]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

In fact, Su-30СМ1 is the same Su-35, only more intended for work on the ground. Su-35 can do this too, but on Su-30СМ1 it will be much more efficient.

And due to what will the Su-30СМ1 work more efficiently then? Does it have any systems or will be, which are not on the Su-35? Or simply because there is an additional pair of eyes of the navigator, which does not affect the control of the aircraft or weapons?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

That is the Su-30SM1 - this is another pair of eyes and a pair of hands that are not distracted by piloting, but use weapons for ground targets.

[PROXOR]

Let me say it easier. Su35 is a fighter of gaining air supremacy. Su-30SM1 is a multi-functional fighter. His area of ​​activity is air, land and water (the goals for which he can work WELL).

[NEOZ]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

And what will now be the difference between the Su-30SM1 and Su-35?

the difference will be that in the VKS there will be better cars !!!!

[abc_alex]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Now the second pilot on the Su-30CM1 will click the seeds during the flight or what?

If my memory serves me right, then the second crew member on the Su-30 acts in the interests not of the board itself, but of the link. Initially, the Su-30 is a unit coordinating machine capable of controlling the followers during the battle. Then, for India, this feature was turned into more branching opportunities for work on the ground. So the second in the cockpit of the Su-30 will always have something to do.

[Yuriy77]

I wonder how the PGO on the Su-30SM1 will work, coupled with engines with OBT?

[Zaurbek]

What's the problem? On Su30cm and so there is OVT. Just another

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Yuri77

I wonder how the PGO on the Su-30SM1 will work, coupled with engines with OBT?

on the Su-30SM and so are the engines with a controlled thrust vector AL-31FP

[abc_alex]

PGO creates vortex flows on the upper surface of the wing. This reduces the flow rate on this surface, which is equivalent to an increase in lift. It has an extremely indirect relation to machine control. Will work fine.

[VO3A]

No need to talk about what you do not know ... Hint: there is such a term, direct control of aerodynamic force ... Read and study ....

[abc_alex]

Dear, there are people who are trying in simple words to explain the complex, and there are people trying to demonstrate their superiority by throwing terms at the opponent. You can explain more simply mechanism PGO work - explain. But you don’t need to throw terms in them and there is someone to throw without you.
Sincerely.

[VO3A]

http://old.as-club.ru/kurs3/aero/html/kurs_908_0.html
There, you’ll just figure it out yourself ...

[Livonetc]

increased flight time.

Apparently I mean three in one?
Magnification:
- flight duration
- flight range
- term of operation

[Mikhail Drabkin]

1. Radio engineering, this is movement in the right direction.
However, this radar, with HEADLIGHT, operates on the same frequency. And AFAR - at many frequencies ... it is difficult to suppress electronic warfare devices.

..... in other news - “The American leadership on how to“ defeat Russia in the hybrid war ”, created back in 2016, was recently published on the Internet, writes The National Interest ...” writes Izvestia, August 6, 2019

“.. The US military reference notes that Russia adopted Washington’s approach, which envisages covering the battlefield with manned and unmanned sensor systems to detect enemy forces that can then be destroyed by aircraft and artillery.
At the same time, the guide states that the new tactics of Moscow supposedly involve not just military operations, but also attracting the population of opposing countries to their side .... "

https://iz.ru/906833/2019-08-06/smi-rasskazali-o-soderzhanii-sekretnogo-spravochnika-ssha-po-voine-s-rf

[lopuhan2006]

Ugh, ugh would not jinx it. Finally, someday we will come to unification. You look, and we’ll get to the fleet ...... probably, although this admiral’s adder cannot be turned over.

[RideMaster]

Here right now there is progress on the example of the pot. 4 years ago I wrote on what was done in the north then, and the others there laughed supposedly nonsense. But right now, all this goes. Need 3 ships in total.

Corvette 16 winged 24 redoubts
Frigate 32 winged 32 redoubts 16 s-400
Destroyer 64 winged 48 redoubts 48 s-400
Optimal options. Well, one shell of each ha of course

[tomket]

Quote: lopuhan2006

Ugh, ugh would not jinx it. Finally, someday we will come to unification. You look and get to the fleet

When there was a stand saying that they only need Su, but MiG is not, unification was one of the main arguments, but hey, it only appears to be ....

[lopuhan2006]

I'm not talking about MiGs) There are a lot of different dryers for today. And 27, and M2, and 30, and 35. And according to the MiGs, my philistine opinion is that the competitor Su should be, albeit not direct. The military budget, by definition, cannot be cheap, but it can be effective.

[pavelty]

"Flight duration" what kind of animal is this?)

[sivuch]

Prosecutors usually set deadlines

[RideMaster]

Without afar or whatever it is.
Although the engine with the su 35s is excellent.