Europe from the window of the bus. The Unthinkable 2

On the field Tanks rumbled
The soldiers went to the last battle,

A young commander
Carried with a broken head.
A blank hit the tank.
Goodbye, dear crew!
Four corpses near the tank
Complement the morning landscape.
Soviet military song "Tanks rumbled across the field." It is considered popular


To the West and back on the bus. To begin with, a certificate from Wikipedia, which, as you know, knows everything or almost everything, although not always at the proper level. And yet. We read: "Operation" Unthinkable "(Eng. Operation Unthinkable) is the code name for two plans (offensive, then defensive) in the event of a military conflict between, on the one hand, the British Empire and the United States, and, on the other hand, the USSR, developed in the spring in the summer of 1945 of the year. Both plans were developed on the instructions of Prime Minister Winston Churchill by the Joint Planning Headquarters of the British War Cabinet, in the deepest secrecy, even from other headquarters. ” Readers of VO love to cite this plan as an example of the treachery of Western allies. However, in reality there is nothing of the kind. Just foresight and state wisdom. Always, as you know, only yours are betrayed, and история He knows many examples. So Churchill decided to hedge himself on the same occasion and did the right thing. It’s just that this plan has been made public, but our plans to continue the advance to the Atlantic Ocean are still classified. Indeed, a huge part of our documents on the war remains a mystery behind seven seals, and it is supposed to open it only ... in the 2045 year. However, now we’ll be talking about something completely different ...


The BT-7 tank maneuvers the ditch. But did he overcome it?


Imagine that you are riding in a comfortable bus through the territory of modern Poland, Germany, Austria, and then you get the idea that it might happen that our tanks again rush to the same places to the West. Well, you never know what, right? It seems that we do not have a reason for this, but after all, were we preparing to wash our boots in the waves of the Atlantic Ocean? We prepared, and even wrote more than once, about how our T-80, capable of refueling at any gas station, would rush along the highway there to the West and in three would reach Brittany. It was so? It was! Did such plans exist in our General Staff? They should have existed, otherwise for what there people would receive ranks and salaries. Everything needs to be foreseen! Because 41 should not be repeated. But how can a tank breakthrough be realized in the next operation ... well, let's say, let's call it The Unthinkable 2? Let's look at all the pros and cons.

Europe from the window of the bus. The Unthinkable 2

High-speed tank BT-7, lined in the fields


As you know, in the era of the USSR, our country before the war with Hitler had more tanks than all other countries of the world combined. Where did they all go then, we won’t find out here, only to note that there were a lot of them. The Warsaw Pact had even more tanks, and then the frontier of advanced tank formations was very close to West Germany. Now there is none of this.


German soldiers visiting the Soviet heavy tank T-35, lined up on the highway Verba village - Ptichye village (Ukraine)


Tanks can move both on rough terrain (but not on any), and on the highway. The experience of recent local wars shows that it is the highway that is preferable in all respects. Especially if the army has high-speed wheeled vehicles with artillery comparable in power to tank. France has a lot of such cars, and why, understandably. There is a beautiful road network and nearby are the same roads in Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy and Spain.


Soviet heavy tank KV-2 abandoned in Zolochev (now Lvovskaya street) during the withdrawal


Tanks that move through fields and forests, force meridional rivers and bypass numerous swamps cannot be developed at high speed. Fuel consumption will be increased. And it will be necessary to bring him up for something. There are no gas stations in the forest.


Tank BT-7 at the road near Vyazma. High speed did not save him!


So again the highway. Beautiful western highways, of which there are a lot. But the trouble is, there are also a lot of concrete bridges crossing these highways. What are they like? Oh, these are structures of very different designs, which usually rely on concrete supports. Rows of one, two, three, four, and finally five pillars that stand under the bridges in one or two rows. The supports are very different: rectangular solid concrete blocks (you think why such a thickness of the support is under a small, in fact, bridge), round columns - five in two rows between the carriageways. One column, installed directly in the middle of the six-lane highway on the “island” - in short, the bridges there are for every taste.


Tanks on the streets of Grozny, 1995 year


The retaining walls are also different. There are vertical, lined with stone. There are sloping and also with stone cladding.

Highways themselves are also frequent, especially in Austria, Italy and Switzerland pass over bridges. And the highway there dive into the tunnels. From Monte Carlo to Genoa there are so many of them that I lost counting a dozen. And many are very long. That is, from a military point of view, we are faced with ideal obstacles for the enemy’s motorized equipment moving westward along these highways. It is enough to blow up a couple of these tunnels and bridges and ... you can get to the same Genoa and Marseille only by sea, and this is unrealistic from the word at all.


And this is a wrecked tank on a flat terrain. Also Chechnya ...


It is difficult to say whether the builders of these bridges provided for the early mining of these tunnels, but personally, I would ... foresee. I would have put explosives into the arches right at the time of construction and would have brought the button for their detonation into the briefcase of the Prime Minister or Minister of Defense. “Russians are coming” - and bang-bang, the road is closed!


Georgian Т72В in North Ossetia, 2008


But back to the perpendicular bridges. I am not a specialist in mine-demolition business, but it’s obvious that if enemy tanks advance along the highway, it’s enough to bring down such a highway or pedestrian bridge onto the carriageway of the road below it to completely block any movement on it. To do this, it is necessary to undermine its supports - one, two, four, six, ten, and blow up the bridge itself near the retaining walls with charges of directed action, so that it collapses down and clogs the passage tightly. Enemy tanks simply will not be able to remove this obstacle. There will not be enough shells to shoot, but to move ... they will be able to move them, but only if they have special equipment with drop ramps. In such a way as to enable tanks to cross this bridge. That is, on one bridge you will need two such ramps. And there will be extremely many bridges on our way, as was already emphasized above. So, as part of the assault columns, not only tanks and missile-artillery anti-aircraft defense systems will have to go, but also such vehicles. And in large numbers. Because any hitch near such a collapsed bridge will play into the hands of the enemy and will make it possible to deliver rocket-bombing strikes on the technique that has piled up on the highway. Well, undermining all bridges will make the roads expensive for all types of equipment simply useless and make it crawl through fields, forests, mountains and rivers, through minefields, under fire from ATGMs, combat helicopters, drones and tanks that have already been dug in, not to mention artillery and RNO. Such defense can be suppressed only by using nuclear weaponbut ... it is ruled out because it will immediately lead to a global nuclear conflict, in which there will simply be no winners. That is, today tanks cannot defend the defense of the Western allies in Europe through forests and fields. Well, and the roads, as you can easily see, are easy to make impassable, and even turn them into traps for vehicles that hit them.


Padded Ukrainian armored vehicles on the highway


So, striking in the European theater of war both in the central (Poland, Germany, France) and the south (Poland, Austria, Italy, France, and then Spain still lies there, and the road to them lies through the Pyrenees), care should be taken to ensure that our equipment moves ... along the highway and at maximum speed, and so that the adversaries crossing their bridges cannot undermine. And here again, an interesting question arises: are they mined right now or not? Because if mined, then all efforts to prevent their undermining are doomed to failure. If not, then ... the attack of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles on highways should be preceded by a raid of air assault helicopters to the entire depth of the operation, even if it will be several thousand kilometers. Many bridges, many helicopters and many landing groups. All of them should be landed near bridges and tunnels with at least 10 people, equipped with supplies of food, ammunition and communications.


Damaged tank in the forest. Dynamoreactive armor didn’t help him either.


The task of these groups is simple: to prevent the destruction of the bridge and keep it until the approach of our military units! They should be equipped with air defense systems, ATGMs, grenade launchers and machine guns. Combat helicopters must be assigned to the groups, taking off as soon as a request for fire support comes from one or another group. That is, again, there should be many such helicopters. And the actions of the landing groups and the helicopters supporting them must be rehearsed in advance during the maneuvers.


Padded tank T-64 APU


As you can see, the task of both a “preemptive” and a preventive strike by Russian troops on a modern European theater of operations is a task of exceptional complexity. Without a doubt, our military experts have all this in mind, at least they should have, well, at least as the very visionary and very cautious Mr. Churchill. Because it was not without reason that there was a saying that the army is usually best prepared for the past war, but not for the one that it will need to lead now or in the future. I would very much like, given all the above, that these words would remain so with words!


But it could be a highway to Warsaw or Berlin ...


To be continued ...
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  1. hohol95 13 August 2019 15: 14 New
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    Carefully, carefully pronouncing the words, Sherbak sang on the motive of a miner's song about a young horse-drawn horse:
    Motors flames burn,
    And the tower is licked with tongues.
    Destiny, I accept the challenge
    With her hand shaking.
    We will be extracted from the wreckage,
    Raise the frame on your hands,
    And the volleys of tower guns
    They lead us to the last journey
    And telegrams will fly here.
    To relatives, acquaintances to notify,
    That their son will never return
    And she won’t come to stay ...
    In the corner, the mother-old woman will cry,
    The father wipes off a tear with his hand,
    And dear does not know,
    Which tanker was the end.
    And there will be a dusty card
    On the shelf of forgotten books,
    In tank form, with shoulder straps,
    And he is not her fiancé anymore.
    Farewell, Marousia dear,
    And you, KV, my brother,
    I will not see you again,
    I lay with a broken head ...

    Victor Alexandrovich Kurochkin
    In war as in war
    1. Nicholas C. 13 August 2019 15: 48 New
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      Quote: Vyacheslav Shpakovsky
      I am not an expert ...

      Shpakovsky, who had deflected the army, imagined himself to be the General Staff and is making plans for the military capture of Europe ...
      It is worth paying attention to the thrown details. In my opinion, the next portion of Russophobia from the specified author.
      1. hohol95 13 August 2019 15: 54 New
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        Everything will be like F. Dick’s in “The Second Model”!
        Maybe they have completely devastated the enemy trenches and will soon take over for us, eh? - the major grinned.
        “One of the robots, such as those with appendages, climbed into the bunker last week with the Asians,” said Captain Weimar, “and managed to finish off a good platoon of soldiers before they managed to get rid of it.
        “How do you know that?” - Hendricks turned to him.
        - I was told about this ...
        “Moonbase, sir!” - the communications officer shouted at that moment.

        We get to the English Channel, and then Elon Musk invents the "screamers" and screw it to the moon!
        And that’s it. everyone will die!
        1. nickname7 17 August 2019 19: 59 New
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          Let's get to the English Channel

          Already reached a long time ago, every 5 elite real estate in Britain was bought by Russians.
          1. hohol95 17 August 2019 20: 54 New
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            So they didn’t get there, but already crossed the English Channel.
      2. Den717 13 August 2019 20: 41 New
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        Quote: Nikolay S.
        Shpakovsky, who had deflected the army, imagined himself to be the General Staff and is making plans for the military capture of Europe ...

        I agree to all 100. This painting of tasks, goals and other nonsense of puberty touches. A kind of literate .... repeat
      3. AUL
        AUL 13 August 2019 21: 56 New
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        Quote: Nikolay S.
        Shpakovsky, who had deflected the army, imagined himself to be the General Staff and is making plans for the military capture of Europe ...

        So he, as it were, on the contrary, dissuades him from this! True, we were not going to seem to be!
        1. bayard 14 August 2019 12: 42 New
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          Shpakovsky dissuades from a preemptive (!) Strike. Say - "do not dare, you will all be blown up in tunnels and shot on the roads", and most importantly - "in no case use nuclear weapons, this is not kosher, it can kill good people."
          And to "not attack" the "terrible and beautiful" Europe exactly until it is ready and does not attack itself - suddenly and insidiously, as always. And in no case do not use nuclear weapons !!!
          You need to "humble yourself, repent and die" ...
          Or maybe THAT, what Shpakovsky is so afraid of and is the key to success?
          Of course, not tank breakthroughs in tunnels and overpasses, but what he fears most for his adored ones. Yes, yes - it is the unlimited use of nuclear weapons in all its varieties, including tectonic and causing mega-tsunamis.
          It is UNLIMITED.
          And the leadership of the West should know about it.
          For only the FEAR of complete annihilation acts on them sobering.
          And the tanks will go later.
          Unless otherwise.
      4. Olgovich 14 August 2019 09: 00 New
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        Quote: Nikolay S.
        It is worth paying attention to the thrown details. In my opinion, the next portion of Russophobia from the specified author.

        I did not find Russophobia, but the arguments about the “irresistible” fields (!) And the forests of Europe, ideally lined, smooth, provided with roads and clearings, are bewildering.

        Generally strange thoughts of the author during ... a peaceful trip to Europe ... by bus .. belay recourse
        1. jjj
          jjj 14 August 2019 13: 03 New
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          When I was traveling from St. Petersburg through Minsk, Warsaw, Berlin to Hamburg, I came to the conclusion that the European territories are very friendly for our tanks. And there are many gas stations, and different roads, and the surroundings are even. And our tank units were already walking there.
          An old joke about the fact that if all the Soviet people suddenly went to Europe, then in tanks, it’s already at the genetic level
          1. Olgovich 14 August 2019 13: 14 New
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            Quote: jjj
            what European territories are aboutvery friendly for our tanks

            the same observations, traveled several times to Europe.

            There are even forests with clearings, roads, clean, not to mention the fields .....
      5. Starover_Z 20 August 2019 09: 14 New
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        Quote: Nikolay S.
        makes plans for the military capture of Europe ...

        Why do we need it now? Former "allies" in the ATS together, for green candy wrappers spread to NATO. Even the Union republics restored and developed after the Great Patriotic War at the expense of Russia and its people did not give a damn about it ...
        So why should we go to the English Channel, whom and why free?
        If someone is combing his hair and wants to fight, then just fight back with all, as mentioned earlier, proletarian hatred and sparing nothing, as in the past war all cultural heritage was preserved throughout Europe!
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    2. Nitochkin 13 August 2019 16: 51 New
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      By the way, Viktor Kurochkin has a book called Iron Rain. She is not as famous as the story "In the war, as in the war", but also very strong. About the initial period of the Second World War and also about tankers.
    3. serg.shishkov2015 14 August 2019 09: 53 New
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      This song was one of the favorites in my student dorm, Then I managed to read a book
  2. Prisoner 13 August 2019 15: 21 New
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    No need to continue. What for?
  3. Operator 13 August 2019 15: 22 New
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    “Operation“ Unthinkable ”is the code name of two plans (offensive, then defensive). Both plans were developed on the instructions of Prime Minister Winston Churchill by the Joint Planning Headquarters of the British War Cabinet. Readers of VO love to cite this plan as an example of the treachery of Western allies. However, in reality there is nothing of the kind. Just foresight and state wisdom. Always, as you know, only their

    Bravo, Vyacheslav - so you agree that in developing the first plan, Britain betrayed the USSR. But at the same time, you obviously suffer from mental bifurcation: betrayal by Britain is state wisdom, and betrayal of Britain is unconditional deceit on the part of the USSR, USA, China, India, further down the list laughing
    1. Operator 13 August 2019 15: 44 New
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      As Poland, on the eve of September 1, it should be doubly pleasant to recall the manifestation of state wisdom by Britain and France when these states refused to fulfill their allied obligations to Poland after the attack of the Third Reich.

      "In time to betray - it means to anticipate," - the universal European slogan laughing
    2. bbss 18 August 2019 23: 59 New
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      The Supreme has never had any illusions about the allies.
  4. Wedmak 13 August 2019 15: 27 New
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    The question of why we march to the Atlantic by storm remained unspoken. Mass tank wedges ended their epic with the advent of MLRS and anti-tank systems.
    1. tihonmarine 13 August 2019 17: 58 New
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      Marching, and even on bridges that fall (as if through a swamp easier). It seems either to the genius plan of Generalisimus, or to the series "Popadanets".
    2. DWG1905 14 August 2019 11: 50 New
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      When the tank army enters the breakthrough of the front line, the ATGMs will not help, but you still need to get from the MLRS (and then have time to reload until you cover them), their efficiency is not very good. And then the tanks alone do not fight, enemy fire is carried out to the entire depth of the front-line operation by all means and means. In reality, the Soviet Army would have endured. Normal fighters are only Germans, the French are in doubt, Italians - the Dutch and other Greeks they need it. The Americans would not have time to transfer troops to Europe if they advanced from the borders of the GDR. In fact, if you manage to break the resistance of the Americans and Germans, the rest are not a problem. Not always the quantity goes into quality. But this is history, now from the point of view of borders we are in a state of 1942-43, this is a problem. Moreover, normal fighters Poles and Germans (all) are against us, the rest are not threats. Americans will not get their hands dirty. If we seriously consider the creation of the European Army, they will try again in ten years (in the third).
      1. Wedmak 14 August 2019 14: 55 New
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        ATGM tank breakthrough enters front line not help

        It may not help much, but there will be many victims among the attackers.
        and you still have to get from the MLRS (and then have time to recharge until they’ve covered) the efficiency of them is not very.

        The drone leads to accumulations of equipment and personnel. The same Tornado strikes at 90 km ... A smaller hurricane ... Nitshey’s efficiency is not very good - several dozens of tons of explosives with fragments onto an area of ​​tens of hectares suddenly flies from the clear sky! And shelter is almost impossible.
        In reality, the Soviet Army would have endured.

        In reality, the Kyrgyz Republic will carry us from all the nearest carriers, while we will be crossing bridges and fords.
        Americans wouldn’t have time to transfer troops to Europe

        And they don’t need to. They need a mess in Europe and preferably up to northern Africa and India. If it spreads to China and the South Asian countries, they will be in chocolate in general. I think no need to explain why.
    3. kanskebron 14 August 2019 21: 15 New
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      Mass tank wedges ended their epic with the advent of MLRS and anti-tank systems.

      Is not a fact. After processing the TNW area, there will not be many who will use RZSO and ATGMs.
      1. Wedmak 15 August 2019 06: 33 New
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        And why do we need terrain after TNW processing? Well, tanks will pass, they have protection, and then what? Decades to wait until all isotopes fall apart?
  5. Blue fox 13 August 2019 15: 27 New
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    The opinion is curious, but in this case, the need for the defender to leave the same bridges and tunnels, not all, of course, to maneuver his forces and means, while exploding others, is wedged into the logic of the aggressor and the defender, but the aggressor just has to find such strategically important points and in every possible way try to capture them. It was already, the Remagen bridge - when the Allied tanks made their way to him in an unbelievable time and suddenly. And just without tanks, then he would not be kept.
    PS Strategically important bridges are not mined in peacetime, but everything is provided for this - there is a mining scheme, places for explosive charges are provided, and even a low-current network at the facility can be used to undermine.
  6. To be or not to be 13 August 2019 15: 31 New
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    .. "well, let's say let's call it" Unthinkable 2 "?
    why so many letters ?? .. and about anything ..
    Isn't that the point: "The British operation" The Unthinkable "was planned for the summer of 1945, and its goal was to instantly defeat parts of the Red Army .."
    Only now on the contrary do you want? It smells like something bad. ..
  7. sevryuk 13 August 2019 15: 33 New
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    Mdaaa ... I have to postpone the last throw to Lisbon. And why among the illustrations there are no ISs in front of the Brandenburg Gate?
  8. akarfoxhound 13 August 2019 15: 33 New
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    "We all will die!!!" "Do not go west, Russians! Otherwise we woo!" and other crap ...
    A strong feeling of the translation of an imported article "from behind a hill". As if Brussels made to order. :)
    There is one thing, but, for some reason, our enemies stick their noses at us, and not vice versa.
    1. Lipchanin 13 August 2019 16: 02 New
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      Quote: akarfoxhound
      There is one thing, but, for some reason, our enemies stick their noses at us, and not vice versa.

  9. Keyser soze 13 August 2019 15: 48 New
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    God, what tanks .... in the world there are 15K nuclear bombs and missiles. Or more ..... 3-6 hours and hello to the Neolithic.
    1. Alf
      Alf 13 August 2019 15: 58 New
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      Quote: Keyser Soze
      God, what tanks .... in the world there are 15K nuclear bombs and missiles. Or more ..... 3-6 hours and hello to the Neolithic.

      And what do you think, if our tanks were to rush to Europe in the 80th, would the NATO troops immediately launch a nuclear strike? They are also not alternatively gifted, for they understand very well that the very first use of nuclear weapons will cause a "domino effect" and the history of civilization will end in a couple of hours. In 2MB, all countries had chemical weapons, but no one dared to use it.
      1. Keyser soze 13 August 2019 16: 19 New
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        And what do you think, if our tanks would rush to Europe in the 80, would the NATO troops immediately launch a nuclear strike?


        Well, obviously I think so. A modern non-nuclear war between great forces is impossible. And what to catch Russian tanks in radioactive Lisbon is not very clear ...
        1. To be or not to be 13 August 2019 16: 36 New
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          No, not right away.
          During the NATO Allied exercises in Europe, when the threat of a breakthrough by the Airborne Forces of the NATO main defensive line, they switched to the use of tactical nuclear weapons
          1. Keyser soze 13 August 2019 16: 50 New
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            in Europe with the threat of a breakthrough by the airborne forces of the main defensive line


            Probably, I am not familiar with the NATO documents of that time, but if tactical has gone, then the strategic take-off is not far off. The Caribbean crisis was experienced by chance, but there were people in the USA who wanted to poke a button right away. And the Russian troops in Cuba, like the submarines, had permission to use atomic weapons at their discretion. So I think that we won’t survive the tank attack on Europe or Moscow.

            Although who knows - I have a Metro at hand ... I’ll take Kalash and I will wet the mutants ... laughing
            1. To be or not to be 13 August 2019 16: 54 New
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              In your mind, read on the internet about the teachings of "Able Archer-83" hi
      2. Kronos 13 August 2019 16: 52 New
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        Chemical weapons did not have such a damaging property as nuclear, secondly all these armada of tanks are destroyed by aviation and cruise missiles that the Israelis have repeatedly done, for example, or now in Syria
        1. Alf
          Alf 13 August 2019 18: 33 New
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          Quote: Kronos
          secondly, all these armada of tanks are destroyed by aircraft and cruise missiles

          And did anyone cover these armada?
          1. Krasnodar 13 August 2019 21: 39 New
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            In 1973, during an Egyptian attempt to advance deep into Sinai, 80 of the 250 EMNIPs lost in that attack were generally destroyed by Hale Avira helicopters. The Egyptians tried to cover them with aviation, but lost the air battles to the Israelis, whose planes were on duty in the air.
            1. Alf
              Alf 13 August 2019 21: 44 New
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              Quote: Krasnodar
              In 1973, during an Egyptian attempt to advance deep into Sinai, 80 of the 250 EMNIPs lost in that attack were generally destroyed by Hale Avira helicopters. The Egyptians tried to cover them with aviation, but lost the air battles to the Israelis, whose planes were on duty in the air.

              I agree, but the Egyptian-73 aviation and the USSR-80 aviation and air defense in the Northern Fleet are "somewhat" different things.
              1. Krasnodar 13 August 2019 21: 48 New
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                What is better than the Egyptians - of course, that the training of Hale Avir pilots was better than the American - was written in the States, but how it would be in reality (Glory to Gd that was not) is unknown.
      3. Sasha_rulevoy 13 August 2019 23: 49 New
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        Quote: Alf
        the first use of nuclear weapons will cause a "domino effect"


        The difference between ICBMs and TNWs is that only the ex-facto will know about the second. Say, we reported to Brezhnev that the Minutemans had flown out of America. It is clear that in half an hour Moscow and Brezhnev himself will not be. He has nothing to lose, he presses the red button, if so, there will be no more New York, Washington and Nixon either. But if they reported to Brezhnev, “Davy Crockett” was shot at Belfeld and destroyed the tank company, what would make him sad, did he have few tank companies?

        The limiting factor on the use of tactical nuclear weapons would most likely be: for the Soviets, the need to preserve the road infrastructure, plus the propaganda effect, we say, we are delivering the proletariat. And for NATO, the same psychological factor is obvious, especially for West German soldiers, I think it’s not very happy for them to fire at their territory.
    2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 14 August 2019 09: 51 New
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      ... yes, and we are again in the Neolithic! But unlike the past Neolithians, we will know the milestones of the development of the past civilization of this planet. Though it will please!
    3. kanskebron 14 August 2019 21: 20 New
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      God, what tanks .... in the world there are 15K nuclear bombs and missiles. Or more ..... 3-6 hours and hello to the Neolithic.

      Do not exaggerate, a rollback to a maximum of the 18th century and then not for long.
  10. Trilobite Master 13 August 2019 15: 51 New
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    Good afternoon, Vyacheslav Olegovich. hi
    Strange, however, thoughts visit you on vacation. smile
    It is difficult to disagree about Churchill, as well as about the plans of the USSR to reach the Atlantic. But about the rest ...
    The number of natural obstacles in Europe over three quarters of a century is unlikely to have increased significantly, but the number of roads and bridges has become much greater. smile
    However, if you mean that in three days we do not have time to reach Brest, I will not argue - we will not have time. Although, in my opinion, no one, in general, is going to, except for the most repulsed. fool
    And so, in general, any obstacle can become insurmountable, but only if it is steadily and skillfully defended. Under Peter there is a rivulet called Nazia. Replay, every ten meters - chicken ford. So her two and a half years neither our nor the Germans could pass. Everything is relative. smile
    1. Captain45 17 August 2019 20: 27 New
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      Quote: Trilobite Master
      Good afternoon, Vyacheslav Olegovich. hi
      Strange, however, thoughts visit you on vacation.


      Captain45 (Yuri) 5 5 August 2019 17: 52

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      And where does the operation unthinkable?

      I venture to suggest, based on historical facts - the operation "The Unthinkable" was planned by W. Churchill and the plan was to liberate Europe from the Red Army using parts of the Wehrmacht that surrendered to the British-American troops. Perhaps the Caliber colleague suggests that, under the guise of car excursions, mass transfer of Russian citizens to Europe and thereby put it before the fact that they say it’s too late to drink Borjomi gerra and pans, Russia tuta - hend hoh! laughing

      Well, a little was mistaken, he doesn’t offer buses, but to visit Europe on tanks. It’s also nice, a new kind of bla-bla-car. Chur my idea, I have money from it.
  11. Alexey RA 13 August 2019 15: 52 New
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    It is difficult to say whether the builders of these bridges provided for the early mining of these tunnels, but personally, I would ... foresee. I would have put explosives into the arches right at the time of construction and would have brought the button for their detonation into the briefcase of the Prime Minister or Minister of Defense. “Russians are coming” - and bang-bang, the road is closed!

    And here it is not necessary to guess and think out anything. In the Soviet ZVO of the late 80s there was an article about engineering barriers on the roads of Western Europe - EMNIP, using the example of Germany. It stated that all the major bridges on the roads under the project had mine wells for placing explosive charges in the threatened period. On the autobahns, there were rows of manholes closed by hatches for the installation of troughs. And the engineer-sapper units of NATO had a standard scheme for installing charges on the roads, which ensured the creation of a PT-ditch, which was difficult even for tracked vehicles, after undermining. And of course, the article mentioned the notorious nuclear mines ...
    1. Operator 13 August 2019 16: 12 New
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      I remember that article in the ZVO, after I read it, I immediately thought - and to use Soviet autobahns on Soviet tanks, because farmland and forests are the most suitable for Russian armored vehicles imprisoned on the roads.

      But the Soviet Army didn’t even plan to storm the Alps and Pyrenees after the tank skating rink of the flat territories of Germany, Denmark, Benelux and France, since in this case the mountainous Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Spain and Portugal would themselves declare unconditional surrender.
      1. Alexey RA 13 August 2019 17: 57 New
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        Quote: Operator
        I remember that article in the ZVO, after I read it, I immediately thought - and to use Soviet autobahns on Soviet tanks, because farmland and forests are the most suitable for Russian armored vehicles imprisoned on the roads.

        Tanks need a rear. We need ammunition and fuel. Repair needed. And the rear of the division is large and wheeled. And pushing a convoy with shells or fuel through the capillaries of local roads is hemorrhoids, especially considering the dimensions of the driveways and the carrying capacity of the bridges.

        I remember how we at the department laid a conditional route for one S-125 division. Between the positions - 20 kilometers in a straight line. And about 70 km along the roads - because on one road we do not fit under the bridge, on the other road - we risk drowning the UNK and diesel engine along with the bridge.
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          It was necessary to lay in a straight line: the author posted test pictures of Polish farmland in front of suburban cottages - he really pulls to drive caterpillars around all this European splendor laughing
          1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 14 August 2019 10: 36 New
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            .... harmful you, however! ...
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        Quote: Operator
        the most for domestic armored vehicles imprisoned on the roads.

        Off-road is increased fuel consumption + increased risk of breakage + reduced speed. A person can go through any dirt and potholes, but "for some reason" prefers to go along the road.
        1. Operator 13 August 2019 18: 46 New
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          Europian farmland = our roads laughing
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            Alf 13 August 2019 18: 53 New
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            Quote: Operator
            Europian farmland = our roads laughing

            Something tells me that this is not Russia.



            1. Operator 13 August 2019 19: 01 New
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              You simply did not look on the sides of suburban European roads: the farmland located there is a wonderful tank track up to 100 meters wide.
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                Alf 13 August 2019 19: 41 New
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                You simply did not look on the sides of suburban European roads: the farmland located there is a wonderful tank track up to 100 meters wide.

                But why did the above go in the wrong direction? laughing
                1. Operator 13 August 2019 20: 12 New
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                  In peacetime it will cost a lot to roam around farmland and roadside cottages, and in wartime the same thing is absolutely free - the passage of a tank battalion along the roadside line of low-rise buildings creates an excellent paved road for wheeled vehicles (you can not be afraid of nuclear mines) bully
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                    Alf 13 August 2019 20: 15 New
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                    Quote: Operator
                    In peacetime it will cost a lot to roam around farmland and roadside cottages, and in wartime the same thing is absolutely free - the passage of a tank battalion along the roadside line of low-rise buildings creates an excellent paved road for wheeled vehicles (you can not be afraid of nuclear mines) bully

                    Have you seen the primer BEFORE the passage of the tank column and AFTER? There are only potholes, and if it’s also through building, then there’s nothing for the wheeled vehicles to do there, if only it is necessary to load the work of the repairmen by the ears.
                    1. Operator 13 August 2019 20: 19 New
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                      So I also propose to lay a pillar way along the line of cottages laughing
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                        Alf 13 August 2019 20: 21 New
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                        Quote: Operator
                        So I also propose to lay a pillar way along the line of cottages laughing

                        Actually, speaking of repairmen, I meant the parts on wheels rembat.
                      2. Operator 13 August 2019 20: 25 New
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                        There is no problem - in front of the cottages there is a tank battalion, followed by all sorts of self-propelled guns, IMRs and ARVs, then BMP bags and wheeled vehicles closes the column.
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                        Quote: Operator
                        There is no problem - in front of the cottages there is a tank battalion, followed by all sorts of self-propelled guns, IMRs and ARVs, then BMP bags and wheeled vehicles closes the column.

                        I will not argue, you know better.
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                        In fact, in Poland and Germany in flat areas on farmland there is an ultra-thick network of secondary roads with hard (including grader) pavement - with the aim of operating agricultural machinery in any weather.

                        Therefore, moving around the territory of these countries outside the main roads with battalion tactical groups in wartime will be easy and pleasant (after cleansing with tactical nuclear weapons, of course).

                        The movement of the rear units is possible on non-main public roads with asphalt / concrete pavement after engineering reconnaissance.

                        The main public roads are likely to be mined, incl. nuclear mines.

                        The creation of column roads by destroying low-rise roadside buildings aims to bypass blockages and mined sections on roads.

                        In addition, in the epicenters of nuclear explosions and surrounding areas, instead of low-rise buildings, there will be continuous fields of gravel (see Hiroshima and Nagasaki).
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                        Quote: Operator
                        it will be easy and pleasant (after stripping with tactical nuclear weapons, of course).

                        It is unlikely. It’s “great” to go when you know that everything is glowing outside, and God forbid, a gap will form somewhere.
                      6. Operator 13 August 2019 22: 11 New
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                        It’s not a fact that it will glow - with an air explosion of a two-stage thermonuclear charge at an altitude of 1,5 km, radiation, incl. induced, absent.

                        100-Ktn charge weighs 100 kg and in this regard can be used as a tactical special warhead of rocket launchers of the Smerch MLRS, aircraft missiles and planning bombs. The radius of the shock wave is twice that of the 20-Ktn nuclear charges used in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

                        And there is also an 250-CTN thermonuclear charge weighing 140 kg with a radius of destruction of 3,5 times larger bully
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          I doubt it very much ...
  • turbris 13 August 2019 15: 59 New
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    Is this fantasy or just nonsense?
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      Alf 13 August 2019 20: 16 New
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      Quote: turbris
      Is this fantasy or just nonsense?

      Neither one nor the other. This is Shpakovsky. "No one knows where Benny ends and where the police begin."
      1. Krasnodar 13 August 2019 21: 42 New
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        Knowledgeable people said that the police end where Benya begins laughing
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        But having thrown the dermets on the fan, he highpaned for a hundred and fifty comments - over there how people got excited. And their content is unlikely to dissuade our Archistratigus from continuing.
  • hohol95 13 August 2019 16: 00 New
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    JAN 4, 2015
    Switzerland refused to mine its bridges and tunnels in the Alps
    GENEVA, January 3. / Corr. TASS Konstantin Pribytkov.
    Switzerland abandoned the long-term mining of its bridges, tunnels and roads due to a change in defense strategy. This was reported on January 4 by the Swiss Radio and Television RTS (RTS), citing sources in the armed forces of the country.
    According to the publication, the seizure of explosives, laid down in the 70s of the last century at the height of the Cold War, was fully completed at the end of 2014. The demolition of infrastructure and major highways in the Alps was to impede the advancement of the enemy in the event of armed conflict. Mining was carried out in the First and Second World Wars, in which neutral Switzerland did not participate, but was ready to defend itself in the event of an invasion. After World War II, several hundred objects remained mined.
    "Mine bookmarking strategy is out of date"
    According to information posted on the website of the Swiss Federal Department of Defense, Population and Sports, the strategy for laying permanent mines is “now out of date”. In 1991, the seizure of explosives began, due to the changing conditions in the field of international security, as well as considerations of economy. In addition, it became possible to "achieve the same result using mobile means." However, the military took 23 years to fully complete the clearance. Such a long period is explained by the complexity of the task and the fact that the army had a limited number of specialists.
    As Gerhard Wiss, a former head of the defense department of the Swiss army, said in an interview with the Basler Zeitung newspaper, in particular, the Saint-Gotthard, Simplonsky and Lötschberg tunnels were mined. In 2001, a fire broke out in the Saint-Gotthard Tunnel, as a result of which 11 people burned and suffocated with smoke. The epicenter of the fire was not far from where the explosives were laid, Wiss said. However, he assured, all necessary security measures had been taken and the mines did not explode.
  • IQ12NHJ21az 13 August 2019 16: 12 New
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    I did not understand what the article was about. Tolley in 2019, Russian tanks to (the English Channel, Lisbon, London?) Will not reach, roofing felts in the 60s, our generals did not understand anything in strategy and tactics! How scary to live, what Russians are aggressive and dumb! The reasoning of a very young man with a very poor knowledge of history and Western books and technically illiterate. It’s good that there are still few such PEOPLE, but if our education continues to be so, then there will be a lot of such, very
    1. Operator 13 August 2019 16: 18 New
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      The author of an article of the order of 70 years, Ph.D. in specialty "History of the CPSU", in life - a fighter with the Soviet regime (which he won in a specific settlement of Penza) laughing
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      Alf 13 August 2019 18: 43 New
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      Quote: IQ12NHJ21az
      a very young man

      Just Shpakovsky old man, but otherwise you are right. He has some kind of inexplicable caveman hatred for Russia.
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        Quote: Alf
        Quote: IQ12NHJ21az
        a very young man

        Just Shpakovsky old man, but otherwise you are right. He has some kind of inexplicable caveman hatred for Russia.

        Probably Polish roots are affected, although there is one last name from the Pole.
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          Alf 13 August 2019 19: 12 New
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          Quote: Hiking
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: IQ12NHJ21az
          a very young man

          Just Shpakovsky old man, but otherwise you are right. He has some kind of inexplicable caveman hatred for Russia.

          Probably Polish roots are affected, although there is one last name from the Pole.

          This mystery is great.
          1. Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 19: 17 New
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            This mystery is great.

            What is another secret? Vyacheslav Olegovich himself said that his grandfather was a Polish general. what
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              Alf 13 August 2019 19: 23 New
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              What is another secret? Vyacheslav Olegovich himself said that his grandfather was a Polish general.

              And how to connect with this HIS statement?

              Quote: Operator
              To you as having to do with Poland

              What kind?
              1. Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 19: 35 New
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                Quote: Alf
                What kind?

                And let comrade Shpakovsky himself will say. It seems that his grandfather - a Polish general, his mother - taught the politics of the CPSU, he taught the history of the CPSU ... And at the same time he was selling jeans ... laughing
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                  Alf 13 August 2019 19: 40 New
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                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  he himself taught the history of the CPSU ... And at the same time, he sold jeans ...

                  This is what I especially like in some "fighters against the regime." On even days we teach “as it should”, on odd days we do “as it should not.”
  • Avior 13 August 2019 16: 23 New
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    . It is difficult to say whether the builders of these bridges provided for the early mining of these tunnels, but personally, I would ... foresee.

    Even as provided.
    Back in Soviet times, I read a large article on this subject in ZVO.
    Special chambers in supports are provided, volumes of explosives and so on are calculated.
    In a threatened period, charges are laid.
    And just under the autobahn in certain places there are such cameras.
    1. Alexey RA 13 August 2019 17: 58 New
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      I look, that article in ZVO was remembered by many. smile
      1. Avior 13 August 2019 20: 58 New
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        Yes, now I read the comments, I saw. smile
        She then made a strong impression on me, although when I first picked up ZVO itself, too, like a revelation, I had not read anything like it before
  • Mavrikiy 13 August 2019 16: 36 New
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    And this is a wrecked tank on a flat terrain. Also Chechnya ...
    The author, as with eyes, glasses ?, but you need to encyclopedia what plain is.
    But back to the perpendicular bridges. I am not a specialist in mine-demolition business, however, it is obvious that in case of enemy tanks attacking along the highway, it is enough to bring down such a highway or pedestrian bridge onto the carriageway of the road below it to completely block any movement on it. To do this, it is necessary to undermine its supports - one, two, four, six, ten, and blow up the bridge itself near the retaining walls with charges of directional action, so that it collapses down and clogs the passage tightly. Enemy tanks simply will not be able to remove this obstacle. There won't be enough shells to shoot, but to move ... they can move them,
    Bridge of the rocky road. In general, class 5-6.
  • evgic 13 August 2019 16: 37 New
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    The nonsense is not connected. Why is the photo of the broken tanks not clear, and why only Soviet? About that article is also not clear. Why wrote is not clear
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      Quote: evgic
      and why only Soviet?

      And at Shpakovsky only Soviet-Russian technology breaks down and is destroyed.
    2. Okolotochny 19 August 2019 17: 12 New
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      And the photo "Georgian Tank in NORTH OSSETIA, CARL!", IN NORTH !!! "Valiant Georgian army" stormed Vladikavkaz ???
  • shubin 13 August 2019 16: 42 New
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    What was that? belay
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      Alf 13 August 2019 18: 45 New
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      Quote: shubin
      What was that? belay

      You never know what on vacation in the morning ghosts.
      1. Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 21: 15 New
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        You never know what on vacation in the morning ghosts.

        He only arrived from Italy by bus, probably tired. crying
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          Alf 13 August 2019 21: 16 New
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          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: Alf
          You never know what on vacation in the morning ghosts.

          He only arrived from Italy by bus, probably tired. crying

          Yes, and grappa is strong ...
          1. Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 21: 20 New
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            Yes, and grappa is strong ...

            In, but I think, why is Vyacheslav Olegovich on the bus traveling all the time? Not only as he goes around drinking establishments. laughing
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              Alf 13 August 2019 21: 21 New
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              In, but I think, why is Vyacheslav Olegovich on the bus traveling all the time? Not only as he goes around drinking establishments.

              You can’t drive.
  • Ros 56 13 August 2019 16: 48 New
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    Can't you cross the highway next to the bridge? And engineer-sapper battalions are not comparable with WWII sappers for equipment. In short, the continuation can not be written.
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      Alf 13 August 2019 18: 46 New
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      Quote: Ros 56
      In short, the continuation can not be written.

      Or else will be, oh, oh, oh!
  • Kronos 13 August 2019 16: 54 New
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    In the first part, the author promised to connect one with the other, but it didn’t work out about anything
  • hohol95 13 August 2019 16: 56 New
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    Eh Churchill, Churchill -
    “Even before the end of the war, when the Germans surrendered in hundreds of thousands, I told Field Marshal Montgomery to ensure that German weapons were collected so that they could then be distributed again to German soldiers and, if the Soviets continue the offensive, act together. ”
  • hohol95 13 August 2019 17: 02 New
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    The Russians, as always by their existence, FORCE democratic Europeans to come up with different plans to "pacify the eastern barbarians"!
    repin.info
    BELARUSIAN ENGLISH ALLIES ARMED VERMAHTA FOUNDED SOLDIERS
    This gloomy event went down in the history of the northernmost German land, Schleswig-Goldstein, which borders Denmark, under the name "Hunting for Soviet POWs" - a mysterious hunt, like a legend. . The short but hot battle at the outskirts of Hartenholm has witnesses, but no archives found documents confirming the conduct of a military operation here in early May 1945. There are five graves where the “Russians” who died that morning near the town are buried, but who and why killed them are only versions. What were the names of these soldiers, whose graves are only numbers, no one knows ...
    Strange as it may seem, the former ... Nazi paratrooper tried to disclose the secret of the execution near Hartenholm a few years ago. Today, another Wehrmacht soldier in the past, and now the director of the memorial near Hartenholm, Gerhard Hoch, agreed to tell FACTS about what happened. The eyewitness accounts collected by him and the versions of historians shed gloomy, but nevertheless at least some light on one of the most mysterious events of the end of World War II.
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    Did the author even see a map of the road network in Europe? You can get from Warsaw to Berlin in almost 50 ways. This in Siberia may have one road for 500 kilometers of taiga, and even that is not passable for 9 months a year. And in Europe there is no place to even get lost ... In an hour you will go out onto some road that the Romans began to build there ...
  • Elysium 13 August 2019 17: 11 New
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    What is the article about? The author wanted to go over the tactics of tank attacks on the European theater of war, given the pros and cons?
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      Quote: Elysium
      What is the article about? The author wanted to go over the tactics of tank attacks on the European theater of war, given the pros and cons?

      And the author did not take into account that tanks are far from everything that the same GSVG had at its disposal. He is not a military man in the past, but a “historian” of the CPSU laughing
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        So in the World of Tanks there is no such thing. lol
  • K-50 13 August 2019 18: 13 New
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    What nonsense !!! fellow
    It was especially killed that the landing should be thrown as far as almost to the English Channel and at each bridge lol
  • Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 18: 33 New
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    I read the article and did not understand anything that Shpakovsky wrote. request
  • Spnsr 13 August 2019 18: 44 New
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    Shpakovsky ardent Russophobe.
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    Nevertheless, you read and set the click. That's enough for you!
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    Quote: Operator
    To you as having to do with Poland

    What kind?
    1. Operator 13 August 2019 20: 14 New
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      Surname and stepfather seems to have served in the Polish Army? laughing
  • kalibr 13 August 2019 18: 55 New
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    Strong sense of translation of an imported article "from behind a hill"

    Have you personally read a lot of clumpy articles on similar topics?
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    Quote: Trilobite Master
    Strange, however, thoughts visit you on vacation.

    Yes, really ... But thoughts. Judging by some, only words visit the comments ...
  • kalibr 13 August 2019 18: 59 New
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    Quote: K-50
    and at each bridge

    Do you need only some?
  • kalibr 13 August 2019 19: 02 New
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    Quote: Operator
    and the betrayal of Britain is unconditional deceit on the part of the USSR, USA, China, India, further down the list

    And where about this in the material?
  • Captan78 13 August 2019 19: 02 New
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    I read the article and there was a feeling of deja vu ... It was in this vein that Rezun wrote his historical works, aka Suvorov. And also a lover of alternative history, Tom Clancy, who is also a storyteller by the way
    1. Mordvin 3 13 August 2019 19: 27 New
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      Tom Clancy

      Yes, this type bought a guide to naval affairs, and began to compose his verses. Like this one ... Lee Child. He was fired, so he began to write about Jack Reacher. wink
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    and why only Soviet?

    And at Shpakovsky only Soviet-Russian technology breaks down and is destroyed.

    Because the article is about us, not about them. It seems to be easily explained? Or is it still not?
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    I read the article and there was a feeling of deja vu ...

    Wonderful! So it arose, yes?
  • Rwmos 13 August 2019 19: 36 New
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    The defense of Europe is not bridges, but the fact that there is nothing to take there - war is economically disadvantageous. What can the Russian Federation capture from Germany? The company Baer AG? What's the point? She does not produce anything like that. what can produce a Ferraine plant
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      The defense of Europe is not bridges, but the fact that there is nothing to take there - war is economically disadvantageous.

      Any war of extermination is not economically viable. But if the goal is simply to put Europe “on the headstock”, then it’s enough to tackle the demonstratively neo-fascist bantustans of the Baltic states and the Eurogays themselves crawl with money in their teeth.
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    The author confused the site by typing his thoughts on VO. IN May, for those who believe in the words of the late Zakharchenko, “we’ll be in Kiev for three days, and near the English Channel in two weeks.” all the same they want to crash, so that the whole world is in ruin.
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    Yes, this type bought a guide to naval affairs, and began to compose his verses

    And composes well? Is it being printed?
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    To you as having to do with Poland

    What kind?

    Well then, what?
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    Quote: To be or not to be
    Only now on the contrary do you want? It smells like something bad. .

    I want to? Is it clear from the article that I want?
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      Is it clear from the article that I want?

      So we can’t understand. A set of words of a militant technically illiterate Russophobe.
  • kalibr 13 August 2019 19: 52 New
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    Styopa, repeated many times: I am all the same, that Russian, that American, that Chinese .... If smart! Here I have a persistent phobia for fools. I understand, of course, that their 80% of every population plus or minus a number of percent back and forth, and that you won’t be able to beat the lash with a whip. But anyway...
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    Quote: Nikolay S.
    Quote: Vyacheslav Shpakovsky
    I am not an expert ...

    Shpakovsky, who had deflected the army, imagined himself to be the General Staff and is making plans for the military capture of Europe ...
    It is worth paying attention to the thrown details. In my opinion, the next portion of Russophobia from the specified author.

    You forgot to write, Nikolai, how I still won the competition for the best toy for serial production in 1980 on the 110 anniversary of the birth of Lenin, which stood with a poster at a rally in Penza in support of Yeltsin, and also changed my name ... usually you put it all out - and here for some reason only that, ah-ah!
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      Alf 13 August 2019 20: 31 New
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      that stood with a poster at a rally in Penza in support of Yeltsin,

      And some also against the wind .. spit.
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    Why did I read this ??
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    Here one of our sworn friends from that part of the world where the sun sets will read it, let it wring its hands in despair and lament: “What is this done, good people!” Even note liberals in Russia are wondering how much more agile it is to drive tanks to the Atlantic Sea, how much effort is needed for this, and what dangers can lie in wait in this difficult matter!
    And then he will understand that this article was not written somewhere, but on a tourist bus and it will dawn on me: - so that's why insidious Russians come to them! We thought that they admire the beauties, and they thought of everything, damned!
    To impose sanctions against them and not to let Europe suffer so that they get tired on the road, do not write anything horrible, and do not build terrible plans!
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      Do not remember who Suvorov mentioned as “tourists”, “curious” and other similar words?))
  • kalibr 13 August 2019 21: 31 New
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    Quote: Jager
    Why did I read this ??

    Why not, why! But because literate! Well, the deep meaning inherent in the written text is not immediately recognized. And sometimes it is never known!
  • kalibr 13 August 2019 21: 32 New
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    Quote: Alf
    And some also against the wind .. spit.

    Okay, they spit ... urinate, and then walk in wet boots. That's what happens ...
  • kalibr 13 August 2019 21: 34 New
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    Quote: Alf
    So we can’t understand.

    Isn't that your personal problem? Even here people were found and quite a lot understood everything correctly. Why do you think that you have been given everything to understand?
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    And what does this have to do with me personally? Maybe your grandfather or father were the scoopers in the cesspool? What does this have to do with you personally? Or do you, Andrei, measure people with a set of letters in their designation? Make no mistake, there has already been such a thing in history ...
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    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    And let comrade Shpakovsky himself will say. It seems that his grandfather - a Polish general, his mother - taught the politics of the CPSU, he taught the history of the CPSU ... And at the same time he was selling jeans ...

    How do our people love myths, huh? Now also the grandfather general ... Well, well! And I’ll write you this: “Great minds discuss ideas. Middle minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people. ”― Eleanor Roosevelt. There is, however, another version of this saying, in my opinion, more accurate, but there is a word forbidden in VO.