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Israel introduced three smart technology armored technology demonstrators

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The Israeli Ministry of Defense presented three demonstration models of promising “smart” armored vehicles with two crew members and artificial intelligence. Part of the technology will be implemented in the new Merkava. It is reported by the publication Israel Defense.




The Department of Arms Development and Technological Infrastructure at the Israeli Ministry of Defense (MAPAT) presented three experimental models of new generation armored vehicles developed as part of the Carmel project.

Three of the country's largest defense concerns presented their vision of the future: Elbit Systems, Taasia Avirit (IAI) and Rafael. It is expected that it is on the basis of these samples that a new combat vehicle will be developed, some of the technologies, presumably, can get a new tank, the need for which has been discussed several times in recent years.

Companies are developing their prototypes as part of the Carmel program - it provides for the creation of a combat platform with two crew members, automation of most functions, as well as an overview on 360 °. In addition, tankers should receive intelligence in real time and have a complete picture of what is happening on the battlefield: that is, implementing the principles of network-centricity.

All three companies in their conceptual models showed a different approach to solving the tasks, and also demonstrated a number of other promising technologies that should form the basis of new guided and autonomous combat vehicles.

A new look at the future of armored vehicles


The Carmel program was launched three years ago as a multi-year plan to develop advanced technologies for future combat vehicles. One of the goals of the program is to justify new conceptual solutions that should use artificial intelligence, advanced sensors, hybrid engines, process automation (navigation and movement, target detection and capture, fire contact, protection) in promising platforms, and so on.


Elbit Systems Technology Demonstrator


The Elbit Systems concept is based on technology developed for the fifth-generation F-35 multi-role fighter. An armored car or a tank of the future, in Elbit's view, is controlled by two fighters in Iron Vision helmets: they allow you to control how a tankso him weapons, including reconnaissance and strike UAVs. As with the F-35, the helmet makes the tank “transparent” to the crew. Also in the management of the tank involved an artificial intelligence system (AI).


Rafael Technology Demonstrator


In turn, Rafael implemented the concept of a “transparent cab”, giving an overview on the 360 ° without helmets. The crew receives information and controls the machine using modern touch screens. The Rafael development includes a number of the company's latest developments, including the BNET and KAZ Trophy communications system, Spyke anti-tank systems, a tank condition monitoring system, and a number of other technologies. Technologies are controlled through an AI system, thanks to which the tank is able to detect and neutralize several targets at once.


IAI Technology Demonstrator


IAI, in turn, proposed a concept based on the technology of unmanned vehicles already available in the company, which are widely used both in the IDF and in the world. The Carmel system from this concern is a bit like a video game. For control, a panoramic screen and a joystick are used, artificial intelligence and automatic target selection are actively involved. AI identifies the most significant threats, helps highlight the most important incoming information, is able to autonomously control a machine in a difficult combat situation.

Elements used in technology demonstrators were mounted on old BTR M113 platforms. However, according to the IDF press service, it is expected that at least some of them will be implemented in the draft new version of the Merkava 4 Barak tank - it should be off the assembly line in the next three years.

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  1. svp67
    svp67 5 August 2019 08: 14
    +2
    Well, that's the Israeli answer to our "Armata". Yes, and one can envy the Israelis, they will choose the best of the three presented samples, and not take what the ONLY developer has to offer.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 5 August 2019 08: 35
      +14
      This is just demonstrator. Based on which in the future maybe will be created etc.
      But we must envy them right now, because again everything is bad with us (in the presence of a real product).
      Who would doubt that.
      1. svp67
        svp67 5 August 2019 08: 40
        +5
        Quote: Mestny
        But we must envy them right now, because again everything is bad with us (in the presence of a real product).

        If there is an experimental product that does not yet satisfy the military, but is crammed with industry, so it’s profitable for them
      2. armata_armata
        armata_armata 5 August 2019 08: 42
        +7
        And when it comes to retirement

        To envy, not to envy, but cameras with LCD panels could also be attached to the T-72, since you couldn’t see money for the armature, everything would have been easier for the crew
        1. svp67
          svp67 5 August 2019 09: 17
          -1
          Quote: armata_armata
          but cameras with LCD panels could also be attached to the t-72, since there wasn’t any money for the armature, the whole crew would have lived easier

          Already attached.
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 6 August 2019 10: 36
            -1
            Quote: svp67
            Already attached.

            well?)) Does the T-72 or T-90 have an all-round visibility system? Or did you decide to call her an unfortunate rear view camera?
            On those tanks, there is still no GOP MP (with a steering wheel, the mechvod obviously worked better), no satellite navigation systems, no target tracking machine, no KAZ, and much more.
        2. okko077
          okko077 5 August 2019 13: 21
          -10
          Jews very beautifully lay ... You can believe in their next tales, but you can not believe .... It all depends on the concept of using tanks in a modern war, which they profess ... But not a word about it ... That's why you can weave and invent anything you like .... Don’t envy us, our usual T-72 tank is almost ready for the latest concept of network-centric war with minimal modifications .... But they don’t have tanks in service .... Let them not fussing ... Creative success ....
          1. okko077
            okko077 5 August 2019 14: 30
            -4
            Does it look like we have a Jewish site? I have the advantage of Russian tanks, but they minus me ... But nothing changes from this .... our tanks have a modernization potential, but they do not have it ....
            1. svp67
              svp67 5 August 2019 16: 39
              +9
              Quote: okko077
              Does it look like we have a Jewish site?

              No, it seems you are saying a lot of stupidity
              1. okko077
                okko077 5 August 2019 17: 03
                -4
                They say in the market, I affirm ... Disagree, ask, disagree, give arguments ... But not so empty, superficial ....
                1. svp67
                  svp67 5 August 2019 17: 07
                  +4
                  Quote: okko077
                  And not so empty, superficial ....

                  Well, then tell us how our T-72s are ready for network-centric warfare, but the Israeli Merkavas are not ...
                  1. okko077
                    okko077 5 August 2019 17: 13
                    -3
                    Our tanks have an automatic loader and a tank that easily turns into an unmanned one at a position .... Operated from outside, or simply remotely ... It becomes attached to the terrain, guides and uses external target designation ... And a tank can be without surveillance means, only a target designation channel ... enough for a start?
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 5 August 2019 17: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: okko077
                      Our tanks have an automatic loader

                      Sorry, but this is not enough to turn it unmanned.
                      Quote: okko077
                      It is attached to the terrain, guided and uses external target designation ...

                      How? This requires special equipment.
                      With the same success, you can equip the "Merkava" with automatic loading, especially since the equipment for such wars has already been partially installed on it, then the alteration will not take much time.
                      1. okko077
                        okko077 5 August 2019 18: 13
                        0
                        It is necessary to distinguish between the installation of steering drives and the simplest electronics, from remaking iron and changing the layout ... The latter also requires large expenses, up to the inexpediency of remaking ... Special equipment sounds loud ...
                      2. svp67
                        svp67 5 August 2019 18: 34
                        +3
                        Quote: okko077
                        from remaking iron and changing the layout ...

                        Sorry, but you overestimate the complexity of this process on Merkava. It already has a projectile feed mechanism

                        And our tank AZs and MZs have either survived a half-century anniversary, or are close to it, and have changed little over these half a century, so it requires a good modernization for a long time.
                      3. okko077
                        okko077 5 August 2019 18: 50
                        0
                        There is no concept of "complexity" ... The main thing is how much it costs and the justification of expediency ... And what do they want to achieve, that is, for what types of military operations this technique is sharpened, how it will be used to win ..
                      4. svp67
                        svp67 5 August 2019 18: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: okko077
                        The main thing is how much is the rationale for expediency ... And what do they want to achieve, that is, under what types of military operations is this technique ground, how will it be used to defeat ..

                        But now I don’t understand anything at all. And with regard to our technology, you did not ask such a question?
                      5. okko077
                        okko077 5 August 2019 19: 10
                        -1
                        This is the most important thing, each solves a problem in his own way ... within the framework of his concept ..
                        For example, the American approach to modern warfare is not the only one ... It has many shortcomings, their network-centric approaches are not entirely effective ..., the declared results can be achieved in simpler ways ....
                      6. atalef
                        atalef 5 August 2019 19: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: okko077
                        For example, the American approach to modern warfare is not the only one ... It has many shortcomings, their network-centric approaches are not entirely effective ..., the declared results can be achieved in simpler ways ....

                        Well, I would like to listen to the continuation of your deep thoughts.
                        Especially in what the American network-centric approaches are not effective and how they can be achieved more simply.
                      7. okko077
                        okko077 5 August 2019 19: 45
                        -2
                        Is that all? Do you need an advanced degree or title? "And the key to the apartment where the money is ..."
                      8. atalef
                        atalef 5 August 2019 20: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: okko077
                        And everything?

                        Anything you can answer?
                        Quote: okko077
                        Do you need a degree, or title?

                        It would be good if both of them - you have all the same neither one nor the other
                        Quote: okko077
                        "And the key to the apartment where the money is ..."

                        lol
                      9. Private-K
                        Private-K 6 August 2019 09: 51
                        +1
                        Sorry, but this is not enough to turn it unmanned.

                        Of course. But this strictly binding condition. No AZ / MZ - no remote control of the combat vehicle.
                        Russians with AZ / MZ have the most respected experience in the world. They have been doing this for half a century. A lot of various variations have been accumulated, of which at least 7 in mass production (on the T-64, on the T-72, on the T-80, on the Msta-S, on the BMP-1 / BMD-1, on the BMP-3, on the BMD -4).
                        The T-14 is the next latest AZ / MZ - the 8th. ACS Coalition-SV - the 9th drill-case variant ... In the storekeepers of the design bureaus there are ready-made AZ / MZ of other types: the same crazy Burlak (such as on Leclerka but with an easily replaceable storage unit), protected by the AZ / MZ on the Dragun BMP and etc.
                        And what does Israel have on this score? Nothing but old immigrant specialists and access to Soviet old models.
                        ----
                        You can stuff almost any tank with electronic gadgets. Only these gadgets are auxiliary Pribluda.
                      10. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 6 August 2019 10: 46
                        -1
                        Quote: Private-K
                        You can stuff almost any tank with electronic gadgets.

                        Well, why don't they stuff it? It is the "pribludy", as you have deigned to express it, that bring the technique to a qualitatively new level.
                    2. atalef
                      atalef 5 August 2019 19: 41
                      +1
                      Quote: okko077
                      Our tanks have an automatic loader and the tank easily turns into an unmanned one in position.

                      as ?
                      Quote: okko077
                      .Can from outside, or just remotely ..

                      what is the difference and again bring the doc. What system turns it?
                      Quote: okko077
                      It is attached to the terrain, oriented and uses external target designation ..

                      myself?
                      Quote: okko077
                      . And a tank can be without surveillance means, only a target designation channel ... enough for a start?

                      of course, first, bring the docks to the above
                      1. okko077
                        okko077 5 August 2019 23: 10
                        -1
                        Docks, to whom? Do you even understand the meaning of the word "network-centric"? What is the American approach? What is our concept?
                    3. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 6 August 2019 10: 42
                      -1
                      Quote: okko077
                      It is controlled from outside, or simply remotely ... It is attached to the terrain, guided and uses external target designation ... And the tank can be without surveillance means, only a target designation channel ..

                      None of this in our tanks (T-72/80/90) NO
                      Quote: okko077
                      Our tanks have an automatic loader

                      Is that all? It is too little. AZ without the help of the operator or commander, even the shell and the charge will not load - you need to push the button with the handles. And so in everything - everywhere with pens. And turn the tower, and lift the barrel, and turn on the gear. A tank cannot be a drone without a VERY SERIOUS refinement. Not to mention the main problem - extremely low situational awareness.
                      You either do not own the question at all, or you intentionally write nonsense.
                      1. okko077
                        okko077 8 August 2019 17: 38
                        0
                        And what can they write on an open site? Only the second option!
            2. Evil echo
              Evil echo 5 August 2019 17: 49
              -1
              You are right, and here the "conspiracy" of marshals is still progressing. Their opinion is only one correct.
              1. okko077
                okko077 5 August 2019 18: 23
                0
                What "marshals" ... There are very few people with knowledge and their own positions ... Some teapots ... You can count the normal ones on your fingers, and they rarely appear ...
                1. Evil echo
                  Evil echo 5 August 2019 19: 57
                  +2
                  It is difficult to agree with this. I just observe some "high-ranking officials" who "rule" in all topics (it understands the videoconferencing, and in tanks, and in a ship and other structure, and I won't say anything about historical events) and their comments are only correct.
      3. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 5 August 2019 11: 20
        +5
        Some details of these demonstrators are already quite actively used and sold.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 5 August 2019 08: 36
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      Well, that's the Israeli answer to our "Armata". Yes, and one can envy the Israelis, they will choose the best of the three presented samples, and not take what the ONLY developer has to offer.

      This is not even an answer, but a few concept ideas. We believe that the MK-4 with a number of upgrades will be in service until the 2050 year. Therefore, the draft of a new heavy platform will not appear before 2030 of the year.
      By the way, they are planning to see the presented ideas in iron, too, not earlier than in 10 years.
      1. svp67
        svp67 5 August 2019 08: 43
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        This is not even an answer, but a few concept ideas.

        So the "Armata", for the most part a concept, and what will go to the troops, it is not yet known
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        We believe that the MK-4 with a number of upgrades will be in service until the 2050 year.

        So we are not going to refuse from the T-72 and T-80 tank families for a long time.
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Therefore, the draft of a new heavy platform will not appear before 2030 of the year.

        Judging by the world situation, I would not be so pessimistic. Israel may need a "new" heavy platform very soon.
        1. atalef
          atalef 5 August 2019 19: 42
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          Judging by the world situation, I would not be so pessimistic. Israel may need a "new" heavy platform very soon.

          as far as I heard MK-4 is the last heavy tank.
          A new concept - easier, smaller crew, autonomy.
          The next one will be completely unmanned.
          1. svp67
            svp67 5 August 2019 20: 03
            0
            Quote: atalef
            A new concept - easier, smaller crew, autonomy.
            The next one will be completely unmanned.

      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 5 August 2019 10: 15
        +2
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        By the way, they are planning to see the presented ideas in iron, too, not earlier than in 10 years.

        "Self-critical" and true! hi Promising to get married and getting married is not the same thing! wink As one friend of mine used to say, "Household calculations often do not coincide with the market price!" And concepts can "cheat"! Once it was decided that in the "age of cybernetics" Adyn Cholovik would be able to detect, observe, shoot and pilot ... and this is how the concept of a single-seat attack helicopter in the "face" of the Ka-50 appeared ... But some time passed and the concept was pushed back while "somewhere in the corner" ... Somewhere in the 60s of the last century they tried to "build" "2-seater" tanks in the USSR; since some "tovarischi" decided that this would be enough ... but nevertheless stopped, in the end, on a crew of 3 tankers ...
      3. okko077
        okko077 5 August 2019 13: 46
        -5
        You have ideas, but there is no platform for these ideas .... MK-4 is not suitable ... We even have the T-72 suitable, as a platform, for the latest network-centric ideas, just implement ....
        1. Dechterev
          Dechterev 5 August 2019 15: 17
          +2
          Quote: okko077
          You have ideas, but there is no platform for these ideas .... MK-4 is not suitable ... We even have the T-72 suitable, as a platform, for the latest network-centric ideas, just implement ....

          not suitable for what? fool
        2. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 5 August 2019 19: 18
          +2
          Quote: okko077
          network-centric

          you love this word, admit it!

          ps is the word dummy. It’s easy to have armies that are well managed but better.
          Americans at the academy invented and you repeat.
          1. okko077
            okko077 8 August 2019 17: 29
            0
            At 41, they also thought of German tank wedges ... I’m not an ass, these are my beliefs and knowledge .. To love, a dummy, a word - you swim finely ......
        3. atalef
          atalef 5 August 2019 19: 44
          +1
          Quote: okko077
          You have ideas, but there is no platform for these ideas .... MK-4 is not suitable ... We even have a T-72

          how do you always have proofs in your pocket?
          Disarm before the party
      4. Rt-xnumx
        Rt-xnumx 10 August 2019 10: 09
        0
        draft new heavyоloi

        Dear Aron, heavy is written through ё. (Rosenthal).
        From the word heavyе.
        And I read your answers with interest.
    3. Winnie76
      Winnie76 5 August 2019 09: 08
      -4
      Quote: svp67
      Well, that's the Israeli answer to our "Armata". And you can envy the Israelis

      They can be "envied" if the Americans cover the supply of engines, and the Germans cover the guns. And regarding the AI ​​in the tank, the author delivered. Firstly, before AI to humanity as before the Moon, and secondly, the cost will be like that of the F-35.
      1. svp67
        svp67 5 August 2019 09: 19
        +3
        Quote: Winnie76
        secondly, the cost will be like F-35

        This doesn’t stop the Israelis very much ... they know very well that all these investments will pay off in the first battle
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 5 August 2019 15: 07
          -3
          In the war against the Arabs, .... or the Papuans?
          1. svp67
            svp67 5 August 2019 16: 38
            +2
            Quote: VO3A
            In the war against the Arabs, .... or the Papuans?

            Persians are not friends to them ...
          2. atalef
            atalef 5 August 2019 19: 45
            +2
            Quote: VO3A
            In the war against the Arabs, .... or the Papuans?

            Well, it depends on how you call them in Syria.
            1. okko077
              okko077 7 August 2019 16: 24
              0
              I call them the defenders of my country, including from the Zionists ...
      2. Professor
        Professor 5 August 2019 09: 30
        +7
        Quote: Winnie76
        Quote: svp67
        Well, that's the Israeli answer to our "Armata". And you can envy the Israelis

        They can be "envied" if the Americans cover the supply of engines, and the Germans cover the guns. And regarding the AI ​​in the tank, the author delivered. Firstly, before AI to humanity as before the Moon, and secondly, the cost will be like that of the F-35.

        Ok engines. Although German, they are made in the USA. But what about the Israeli gun manufactured in Israel?
        1. Winnie76
          Winnie76 5 August 2019 14: 17
          -3
          Quote: Professor
          Ok engines. Although German, they are made in the USA. But what about the Israeli gun manufactured in Israel?

          The same thing changes))))))))))
    4. Astronaut
      Astronaut 5 August 2019 09: 38
      -3
      Do the Israelis, in addition to the manufacturer Merkava, have manufacturers of tanks? Enlighten, I apparently missed something. He only knew that Merkava was a half American tank, but it turns out they have three more of their own laughing
    5. Maz
      Maz 5 August 2019 12: 16
      -7
      For the desert, it's just the best option
    6. Maz
      Maz 5 August 2019 12: 28
      -12
      The main thing is that it does not work out as with the high technology of the iron dome: 30 soldiers from the "Iron Dome" crews are sick with cancer and demand to check the connection between the service and this not at all easy disease. In general, another blow to the genius of Israeli military equipment, and from the inside ... Correspondent of the 13th channel of the Israeli TV Adam Shafir said that 30 soldiers serving in the air defense units of the Israeli Air Force suffer from cancer.

      Most of these soldiers served in the calculations of the Iron Dome missile defense system.

      Soldiers demand from the state to check the connection between their illness and service in the air defense units.

      It is assumed that the disease was the result of exposure to radar.
  2. Magic archer
    Magic archer 5 August 2019 08: 15
    0
    The cars look inconspicuous to put it mildly. It is clear that these are just demonstrators, but they could, at least for beauty, have covered them with some screens) but seriously, I think the Jews will create a good car for their theater of operations. I hope that the concept of a "transparent" cockpit will be implemented in our country, for example, on the Armata and the Su-57. And yes, it is very interesting to see what will surprise you in the new Carrot. With each new modification, the tank is really improved.
    1. Professor
      Professor 5 August 2019 08: 26
      +5
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Cars look mildly inconspicuous. It’s clear that these are just demonstrators, but they could be covered with screens for the sake of beauty) but seriously, I think the Jews will create a good car for their theater.

      This is a technology demonstrator that can be implemented on another platform. For example, Namer or Eitan. The platform here is secondary.
      https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/293812.html
      https://david-2.livejournal.com/555548.html
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 5 August 2019 08: 33
    +1
    What about "Negro Joe"? Or what is the name of the Jewish loader?
    Bliiin! How many copies of AZ vs "Negro Joe" are broken !!!
    Here we are not democratic automatic loaders! The towers fly through the air because of them, but decent, democratic tanks have no such effect.
    Three goose is hard to pull.
    And here...
    Generally 2 in the carriage.
    Outsourcing goose will come pull. Yeah!
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 5 August 2019 08: 38
      +2
      Israel in its tanks made AZ and Negro Joe. I chose both options at the same time.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 5 August 2019 08: 39
        -2
        Quote: BlackMokona
        Israel in its tanks made AZ and Negro Joe. I chose both options at the same time.

        Az without a black man doesn’t hoot! Generally!
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 5 August 2019 08: 41
          +1
          After the AZ was shot, the Negro Jury snuffles.
          In general, they solve the problem of both the tired Negro Joe and the empty machine with its small ammunition and different wedges.
          In exchange for additional reserved volume
          Well, in AZ, shells still need to be laid between fights
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 5 August 2019 09: 00
      +5
      Quote: Victor_B
      What about "Negro Joe"? Or what is the name of the Jewish loader?

      Charger of what? 30mm automatic gun? The CARMEL project is a concept for armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles and infantry logistics vehicles.
      1. Maz
        Maz 5 August 2019 12: 18
        -4
        And what about mercavuu then gurgled? What did they say for her and three years later in a series?
  4. Victor_B
    Victor_B 5 August 2019 08: 46
    +1
    Quote: BlackMokona
    Well, in AZ, shells still need to be laid between fights

    And in the absence of analogs of a 2-person armored troop-carrier, will these two tank members be laid? And pull the goose?
    This is because we have a problem! Hard ... Poor ... The Committee of Soldiers' Mothers is saddened ...
    And in Israel, miraculous heroes!
    I demand an answer to the Israeli military!
    (Well, who else but me will take care of the Israeli tankmen?)
  5. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 5 August 2019 09: 00
    +2
    Thinking out loud. I look at the new electronic advances in land military equipment and see that more and more "camera eyes" and other extensions "sticking out" in all directions appear on it, and my own personal experience unobtrusively whispers: how will it all survive in the present? battle. Take the same tank - if the tank cannot be knocked out, it can be blinded (and turned into a tractor) by demolishing all protruding bells and whistles or smearing the camera eyes with paint from balls of paintball guns. For now, or maybe I'm wrong, this whole novelty is designed to fight a weak opponent, and not with an equal or stronger one ... Or maybe my personal experience is in vain?)))
    1. armata_armata
      armata_armata 5 August 2019 09: 04
      +6
      personal experience, unobtrusively whispers: how will this all survive in a real battle

      Well, then viewing gaps in technology have already been considered fighting for 100 years and there are no problems, but what's the difference if there is a mirror jump or a camera behind them?
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 5 August 2019 09: 32
        -2
        So I’m talking about this, only with the difference that the re-scopes (triplexes) are part of the machine, not sticking out in all directions of the camera eye. Maybe it's time to return to the buckshot to demolish all these electronic add-ons?
        1. armata_armata
          armata_armata 5 August 2019 09: 35
          +1
          So I'm talking about it, only with the difference that the re-scopes (triplexes) are part of the machine, and not the camera eyes sticking out in all directions

          This is a concept, on real military equipment, all cameras are built into beggars and covered with bulletproof glass, so something to demolish will be very problematic
        2. Klingon
          Klingon 5 August 2019 09: 47
          +3
          I think the ancient Shilka is quite able to plan all the protruding elements and turn a promising platform into a smooth object of postmodernism wassat
          1. Dechterev
            Dechterev 5 August 2019 15: 23
            +2
            Quote: Klingon
            I think the ancient Shilka is quite able to plan all the protruding elements and turn a promising platform into a smooth object of postmodernism wassat

            Is the immortal shilka or something? at how she teleports unnoticed for stuffed with electronics, with its own UAV tank ???
            1. Klingon
              Klingon 5 August 2019 16: 17
              0
              Naturally not, I'm so, about the capabilities of 23-4 trunks. By the way, you can insert a new radar into Shilka, some kind of AI, screw some kind of hinged armor and you’ll get yourself a cart
              1. Dechterev
                Dechterev 5 August 2019 18: 11
                0
                the same can be said about triplexes, which actually also weaken the armor. Nevertheless, it will not be possible to dislodge everything even magically appearing to the shilka.
                1. Klingon
                  Klingon 5 August 2019 21: 09
                  +1
                  Yes, I'm not talking about everything straight, well, there will be triplexes, God bless them, but all sorts of protruding panoramic sights, cameras, etc. it will completely blow itself. If you give the queue with high-explosive fragmentation shells, then more or less protruding raffling
    2. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 5 August 2019 19: 26
      +2
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      Take the same tank - if you can’t knock out a tank, you can dazzle it (and turn it into a tractor) by tearing down all the sticking-up bells and whistles or by coating the camera eyes with paint from paintball balls.

      and if the paintball balls run out you can just spit the eye.

      I was thinking that if you had ever watched at least a company of tanks (even during exercises), you would have understood that a tank in battle and even a frightening thing coming at you.
      it's not up to paintball.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 5 August 2019 23: 05
        +1
        Why did I need to watch if I, as part of a tank company, was performing a combat mission in one of the hot spots. Why am I afraid of a tank, if I myself went through a tank run-in as a cadet of a military school, and then, serving in a training course, taught soldiers not to be afraid of a tank and not only by running-in, but taught them how to find the weak points of the tank, including how to blind a tank with the help of soldiers poncho ... Believe me, a tank is a very vulnerable technique in close combat, especially when it is without infantry cover. So all these electronic innovations must be tested in combat with a strong enemy with strong anti-tank and electronic warfare equipment, but most importantly with a well-trained infantryman, artilleryman and colleague tanker. In the meantime, all the experience of this electronics is being tested by Israel, and by us, and by other countries on a weaker enemy. And the greatest mistake is to make a breakthrough machine out of a "universal soldier" who can be destroyed with one shell or mine. Maybe I'm wrong, or maybe someone who disagrees with me is wrong - a battle, a real battle will be the best indicator of a new approach to armored vehicles of the future.
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 6 August 2019 06: 35
          0
          Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
          Believe me, a tank is a very vulnerable melee vehicle, especially when it is without infantry cover.

          I believe in it. but such gifts are rare.
          unless in Syria today.
    3. atalef
      atalef 5 August 2019 19: 49
      +1
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      . So far, or maybe I'm wrong, this whole novelty is designed to fight against a weak opponent, and not with an equal or stronger one ... Or maybe my personal experience is worried in vain?)

      Well, if you look at your comments, then it seems to me with personal experience that you have something wrong.
      Can you say
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 5 August 2019 23: 10
        0
        Judging by your comment, you have figurative thinking - like a child who has not yet learned how to formulate thoughts well in words and use personal arguments to refute or support someone else’s opinion ... although what kind of argument can be given to the generation of iPhones and computer games ...
  6. dentist
    dentist 5 August 2019 09: 55
    +2
    The main thing is that the computer in the heat of battle does not hang and does not reboot))
  7. tank64rus
    tank64rus 5 August 2019 10: 01
    +3
    Reconnaissance and fire system for armament of a tank RF patent №105422,
    RF patent №2612037, Intelligence and fire weapons complex BMOP
    RF Patent No. 2658517, Highly protected tank with a control complex for combat robots and UAVs RF Patent No. 26669248. As long as we do not have the implementation of our intellectual property in the Russian Federation and it is managed by "effective managers" it will be so.
  8. riwas
    riwas 5 August 2019 10: 12
    +1
    Carmel can work without a driver - in autonomous, unmanned mode, as well as as a reconnaissance robot.
    http://mignews.com/news/technology/040819_202509_31193.html
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 5 August 2019 11: 11
    +2
    Light tanks must be made unmanned - remotely controlled. The armor either holds the ATGM or not. And the all-round view will not help here. Tankers will die.
    Therefore, these operating time should be on an unmanned light tank.
    1. Maz
      Maz 5 August 2019 12: 22
      -8
      Correctly! Unmanned! We have just the money for this business and the rap is enough. He took control and was your drone, but it will be ours. Or will it be just a bunch of metal
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 5 August 2019 14: 14
        +2
        Quote: Maz
        He took control and was your drone, but it will be ours. Or will it be just a bunch of metal

        You can’t take Jews with your bare hands. Will be controlled with the help of a smart armored cable. There is a tank at one end of the cable, and an AI in a special helmet and a glass cabin will sit on the other end.
      2. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 5 August 2019 14: 36
        0
        This is if you can intercept.
      3. Dechterev
        Dechterev 5 August 2019 15: 29
        +1
        Quote: Maz
        Correctly! Unmanned! We have just the money for this business and the rap is enough. He took control and was your drone, but it will be ours. Or will it be just a bunch of metal

        and what specific "rab" will do all this? The tale is certainly good, but more specifically, comrade, express yourself.
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 5 August 2019 19: 29
          +2
          Quote: Dechterev
          Quote: Maz
          Correctly! Unmanned! We have just the money for this business and the rap is enough. He took control and was your drone, but it will be ours. Or will it be just a bunch of metal

          and what specific "rab" will do all this? The tale is certainly good, but more specifically, comrade, express yourself.

          Maza has permission from the administration not to express it explicitly and twice to the implementer is not adequate.

          he also receives milk for harmful work. Sent to Israel illegally.
          1. atalef
            atalef 5 August 2019 19: 53
            +2
            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            he also receives milk for harmful work. sent to Israel illegally

            well yes - elusive joe laughing
        2. Klingon
          Klingon 5 August 2019 21: 18
          0
          Yes, at least let's say the same carpool. The Iranians seem to have planted a mattress UAV with it. The car park is certainly not new, there are more advanced modern facilities.
          I think the frequency range is not difficult to select. Or do you want to say that this Carmel will be controlled by fiber? What kind of Israeli TV tank? (There were such people in the USSR at the end of the 30s, if I am not mistaken on the basis of the T-26 and BT-7)
      4. atalef
        atalef 5 August 2019 19: 51
        +2
        Quote: Maz
        Correctly! Unmanned! We have just the money for this business and the rap is enough.

        maz - who do we have it with?
        Have you already left the promised one?
  10. Jean jella
    Jean jella 5 August 2019 12: 47
    0
    What is not heard of unmanned Armata?