Evaluation of the average salary in Russia from RIA Rating did not coincide with the official

RIA Rating presented the results of the study of the level of wages in the Russian Federation. As a result of the study, which was conducted by request of the RIA NewsIt turned out that almost a third (30%) of Russians working in the light industry do not exceed 15 thousand rubles per month. About 21% of Russians employed in areas such as tourism, catering, education, agriculture and forestry, also receive a salary below 15 thousand rubles.

Photo - at one of the plants

Russians with wages above 75 thousand rubles work in the field of mining, in the fishing and financial industries. The total share of receiving more than 75 thousand rubles per month in Russia does not exceed 12 percent.

An important estimate of the RIA Rating is that the average salary of a working person in the Russian Federation is approximately 30 thousand rubles. Recall that the official statistics, which is used in reports by government officials, suggests that the average salary in Russia exceeds 40 thousand rubles (amounted to 2018 of the year 42595 rubles). The difference is more than 12,5 thousands.

From the material RIA News:

The average salary of Russians for 20 years increased by 20 times and now amounts to 30 thousand rubles.

In response, one of the readers posted a comment.

Afonin582010: "This is not a salary increased, but the ruble fell. The bills are good."

Comments

[Mikhail m]

The author knows how the average, median and modal salaries differ? It seems that educational program should be organized. And about the Gini coefficient add a few words. By the way, the average salary is considered before taxes.

[210ox]

Well, but what does it have to do with it. Are the numbers more or less true, or will you say the opposite? Personally, I have the same average salary. And just 60% of those who work at the enterprise receive over 10 thousand.

[Tatar 174]

Quote: Michael m

The author knows how the average, median and modal salaries differ? It seems that educational program should be organized. And about the Gini coefficient add a few words. By the way, the average salary is considered before taxes.

Organize. Add. I never understood why these numbers are, because they, in addition to irritation, do not cause anything in the majority. Lies are the numbers!

[free]

Quote: Tartar 174

Quote: Michael m

The author knows how the average, median and modal salaries differ? It seems that educational program should be organized. And about the Gini coefficient add a few words. By the way, the average salary is considered before taxes.

Organize. Add. I never understood why these numbers are, because they, in addition to irritation, do not cause anything in the majority. Lies are the numbers!

But how else? All this talk about average salaries just blurs the difference between the profit of the owner of the enterprise and the salary of the wage worker, moreover, none of these talkers are in a hurry to discuss real salary (in the modern interpretation of purchasing power). It’s not necessary to calculate the average and the relative we’ll see that the income gap between rich and poor has grown. We don’t have to manipulate the figures of the nominal average salary (expressed in monetary units) but calculate the real one (expressed in how many goods can be purchased for the nominal salary) and we will see the real salary fall nominal. And from these calculations one can easily deduce how fair the model of society built by the bourgeoisie is without any Ginny coefficients.

[NKT]

Please tell us what is the concept of relative salary and how will you calculate it?

[free]

Quote: NKT

Please tell us what is the concept of relative salary and how will you calculate it?

Wages determined as a percentage of the capitalist's profit are comparative, relative wages.
K. Marx "Wages, price and profit. Hired labor and capital".

[Piramidon]

Quote: free

All this chatter about average salaries simply blurs the difference between the profit of the owner of the enterprise and the salary of the wage worker

[Berkut752]

This is the best example.

[DED_peer_DED]

I copied and pasted the screenshot into the "piggy bank of wisdom"

[Oden280]

The basis of capitalism in any country is the receipt of maximum profit by the owners of enterprises and organizations. Including due to lower wages for wage earners and the maximum reduction in various social programs. And all the structures and laws of states with such a system are imprisoned for this.
PS Just do not whine that it is time in the USSR. This will not happen anymore.

[CT-55_11-9009]

Quote: Oden280

PS Just do not whine that it is time in the USSR. This will not happen anymore.

First, "never" is spelled together. Secondly, never is a very long time. So why did you decide that the USSR will not be reborn in one form or another?

[Tatar 174]

The government likes to manipulate the figures of the so-called average salary and average pension - these figures are mainly and most important for the government, it builds its strategy and tactics on their basis. These figures are a way of complacency for him, or even an excuse to not do anything to increase real wages and pensions. If so, they can say: You have an average salary and a pension so-and-so and so high, so be happy and healthy, because it hurts a lot, because even the average salary for treatment may not be enough ... We will be healthy !

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Tatar 174

these figures are basically and most important for the government and are needed, it builds on their basis its strategy and tactics

Numerology, the corrupt girl of Zionism.

Numerology is a system of esoteric beliefs about the mystical connections of numbers with physical objects, processes and people's lives and their consciousness, which are interconnected and affect each other.
Numerology and numerological fortune-telling (like isopssephia) were popular among early mathematicians, such as the Pythagoreans, and are now not considered mathematical knowledge, as in the case of separation of alchemy from chemistry or astrology from astronomy.
The term is also used by those who believe in numerological principles, without even adhering to traditional numerology.

Wiki (C)

[tihonmarine]

With lies, the creation of the world began, because the Adam's apple was not simple, but artificial.

[krops777]

Organize. Add. I never understood why these numbers are, because they, in addition to irritation, do not cause anything in the majority. Lies are the numbers!

I agree, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Russians with salaries above 75 thousand rubles work in the field of mining, in the fishing and financial sectors.

And where are the energy, IT, and railway specialists.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: krops777

I agree, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Nope ....
Truth at the edges.

[Mikhail m]

Quote: Tatar 174

Organize. Add.

You are welcome. Likbez. Knowledge of arithmetic is enough.
http://newsland.com/community/5206/content/sredniaia-mediannaia-modalnaia-na-paltsakh-likbez/6439549

[Victor N]

Tatar 174: Your comment is very funny, but not original - many are annoyed by the logarithmic tables, some even by the multiplication table. Judge necessary to the extent of competence, sorry.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 210ox

Personally, I have the same average salary.

I have even more, but it is not official. Those. no sick leave or paid leave. I don't even think about retirement. But the friends of the "official" have an average salary of only a few, despite the fact that we have it 27 thousand rubles.

[Underwater hunter]

Literally, three weeks ago, the prosecutor’s office started calling and checking entrepreneurs for payments .. It turned out that everything was in accordance with the law, but it was recommended that the RFP be higher than in Russia (this is in Tatarstan). The RFL was increased (official part) but in fact, since personal income tax needs to be paid, it has decreased .. A week later, I read on mail, the average salary in Tatarstan has grown! That's how it is done .. And if the employer in our country will strictly abide by the laws and work in white .. then he will go broke very quickly ..

[U-58]

This is how they show the "fictitiousness" of the work of the regional authorities. The main thing is that the suit fits ..

[Cat man null]

Quote: Underwater Hunter

RFP increased (the official part), but in fact, since personal income tax needs to be paid, it decreased ..

Gray outline? The official - conditionally 15, the rest - in an envelope? Is the employer redneck?

Sometimes ...

Quote: Underwater Hunter

A week later, I read on mail, the average salary in Tatarstan has increased

The pepper is clear, only the "white" part is included in the statistics ... statistics about envelopes are not in the know

Quote: Underwater Hunter

And if the employer in our country will strictly abide by the laws and work in white .. then he will go broke very quickly ..

Blah blah blah. I myself work in a "white" office, purely entrepreneurial. Nothing until they go broke

[Berkut752]

[quote = Cat Man Null] Gray schema? An official - conditionally 15, the rest - in an envelope? Is the employer a goon?

Not in the envelope, only what they give.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Blah blah blah. I myself work in a "white" office, purely entrepreneurial. Nothing until they go broke

We sell your varieties only in case of over-profits.
Superprofits are over 100% of the margin.
This is only possible with a monopoly / corrupt business.

Well, if only you trade in sand.
Buying it at 50 rubles per cubic meter and selling at 700, and selling the private owner allegedly 10 cubic meters of dump truck for 10 thousand. Bring him no more than 7 cubes.
in such companies - yes - white RFP - easily.

well, or in grocery chains like a pyaterochka \ magnet, where the margin is more than 100% ...
The same is all white ...

[Underwater hunter]

Quote: SovAr238A

Well, if only you are trading in sand. Buying it at 50 rubles per cubic meter and selling at 700, and selling the private owner allegedly 10 cubic meters of dump truck for 10 thousand. bring him no more than 7 cubic meters. In such companies - yes - white RFP - easily.

Or maybe he provides information services? There and 900% of the profit may be ..

[DED_peer_DED]

The other day I was looking at prices on one of the sites of local stores selling spare parts and electronics boards from China. Compare prices (just went there ...).
A month ago, I took 10 small power boards for 75 rubles each. thing on Ali. So these local traders put a price tag of 1250 rubles on them. thing!
100% extra charge, say?
Yes, well .... - 937,5% extra charge!
And, after all - they live. Do not go broke ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Underwater Hunter

Literally, three weeks ago, the prosecutor’s office started calling and checking entrepreneurs for payments .. It turned out that everything was in accordance with the law, but it was recommended that the RFP be higher than in Russia (this is in Tatarstan). The RFL was increased (official part) but in fact, since personal income tax needs to be paid, it has decreased .. A week later, I read on mail, the average salary in Tatarstan has grown! That's how it is done .. And if the employer in our country will strictly abide by the laws and work in white .. then he will go broke very quickly ..

Naturally, to pay 40% of social programs for each salary.

[U-58]

And when it comes to retirement, you will immediately remember everything and say: the state, come on!
And where are your deductions to the budget and the FIU?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: U-58

And where are your deductions to the budget and the FIU?

Take an interest in whether it is realistic to find official work in Togliatti with at least an average salary. 18 - 20 edge.

[private person]

And not only in Togliatti in the whole Samara region there is no work, 18-20 is still good if it is also officially and social package.

[Nasrat]

Quote: U-58

And when it comes to retirement, you will immediately remember everything and say: the state, come on!

Now there are many such workers ... unfortunately. And for me, they don’t have a pension at all, they ate it, being able to earn and feed today's pensioners ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Nasr

Now there are many such workers ... unfortunately.

I would love to go to the official 30000 rubles. From 8 to 17, 5 \ 2. With social package.
But with us it’s almost not realistic, all the more so when you’re 47.
P.S. In the 18th year he "killed" his back, and did not work for a month. I was in the hospital for 2 weeks, I could not get up. Naturally, no sick leave. Here's the other side of this "freebie".

[U-58]

And how do you like "anti-freebie"?
Z / N my 50 "dirty".
The official working day is from 8 to 16:30.
So are we already at work at 6:40? And God forbid to go home at 6: 40 pm.
And Saturday work.
And Sundays are not uncommon.
Example: summer 2010, Sunday. On the street +34, in the workshop +38.
The time is 15 hours.
All those who are going home from summer cottages from 8 to 17, 5/2, and we pack our products in containers.
And tomorrow to work ....

[U-58]

So I am about the same.
I managed to slip on to the PC at the end of last year.
With 38 years of experience, I’m working right now.
Therefore, I did not receive indexation in January ...
my wife has not received it for 3 years, also working.
And this, of which there are many, more precisely to those of whom retired, was indexed.
Is this normal?
I, whining, still deduct, and add "those" ....

[private person]

Well, there is no official work, even if you crack, the wife is the seller in the store unofficially s / n 11000. Neither do you want to work, sit at home, master, master. Like this.

[yang174]

yeah ... again, they were not lucky with the people. they want to eat, dress \ shoes, feed the children. agree on gray and black salaries above 20k rubles ... not to sit on the official minimum

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: yang174

for gray and black salaries

Nothing ... cash will be covered soon.
Here, then, and - we will sing it in all throats.

[yang174]

they seem to lead to this, plus all the data will be digitized, up to biometrics

[210ox]

Yes, they ate it. It would be if they were paid for these very 70 colors. But even they are paid two times less. And even less. What ate, they would make ends meet.

[Mikhail m]

Quote: U-58

And where are your deductions to the budget and the FIU?

20% VAT, excise taxes do not count?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mikhail M

20% VAT, excise taxes do not count?

Moreover, they are paid even by children and senior citizens.

[Underwater hunter]

Quote: U-58

And when it comes to retirement, you will immediately remember everything and say: the state, come on!
And where are your deductions to the budget and the FIU?

Do you have confidence that you will survive to retirement and that it will not be canceled in 5 years?

[U-58]

I have been working pensioner for 8 months

[private person]

That's the whole joke you get in retirement and pension and salary. Yes, plus they also went to her in the old style of 60 or earlier. I have a retirement changer signed a contract for a year so he says if it weren’t for my son’s credit (bought an apartment) he wouldn’t work hard for a day after 60 no reaction. Everything has its time.

[U-58]

And you do not live on credit.
I've never taken loans.
I wanted a computer in 2002, so I saved up and bought it in 3 years.
This is called, stretch your legs on clothes.
I don’t have money for something, so I don’t buy it.
Needs need to be limited.
That is, as you receive, you live.
At the same time, of course, I have no reason to moan that de loans are stuck, there’s nothing to live on ...
There is something.
When my son needed to buy a room, did I drive him into a mortgage?
No shit!
All that was, all 950 thousand acquired in 20 years, was given to him in a swoop.
But .... I tried rolls for the first time on the day of the 60th anniversary - my son ordered.
I have never tried Shavermu-shaurmu and I do not know the difference between them.
The restaurant was the last time in 1991 in Feodosia.
Guys, you need to live modestly ......
Then you will have everything ...

[private person]

Well when it turns out to save, or rather, there is something. But, frankly speaking, you "drive" saving for a computer for three years and then 950 thousand. Since what year did you start saving?

[U-58]

No secrets: I began to "save" 950 thousand since 1997, having sold the company's shares for the then 10 million.
Stored in banks at interest.
At the same time, three banks "burned out" over the entire period.
And I didn’t touch these tenge, for the year 2000, when thieves all took out the apartment.
Saving up for the future of the son.
And why save up ?.
I’ve been spending holidays since 1993 at home — either my son was born, or a crisis of three days, then health ....
I do not drink vodka.
Therefore, the computer saved up from what was left of the salary.
My wife received frankly little all her life, so she adapted to put it off from what was .... So I saved up.
Comp for 30 for 000 was very good.
Yes, he works for me right now

[SovAr238A]

Quote: U-58

And you do not live on credit.
I've never taken loans.
I wanted a computer in 2002, so I saved up and bought it in 3 years.
This is called, stretch your legs on clothes.
I don’t have money for something, so I don’t buy it.
Needs need to be limited.
That is, as you receive, you live.
At the same time, of course, I have no reason to moan that de loans are stuck, there’s nothing to live on ...
There is something.
When my son needed to buy a room, did I drive him into a mortgage?
No shit!
All that was, all 950 thousand acquired in 20 years, was given to him in a swoop.
But .... I tried rolls for the first time on the day of the 60th anniversary - my son ordered.
I have never tried Shavermu-shaurmu and I do not know the difference between them.
The restaurant was the last time in 1991 in Feodosia.
Guys, you need to live modestly ......
Then you will have everything ...

why the hell to live like that ????

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: SovAr238A

why the hell to live like that ????

Sense of life wanted?
So he is clearly not in the grub and alcohol with tsatskami and piece of iron in addition.
As you understand, come in ...

[Underwater hunter]

Quote: U-58

Guys, you need to live modestly ...... Then you will have everything ...

Near Siberia, Putin’s helicopter crashed. All died, he alone was saved. The Siberian found him and drags him home on a sled.
Putin: “I would go to the hospital”

What are you, Vladimir Vladimirovich, how our clinic was closed, so now the hospital is 150 km away.
Is there anything to get to?
To get there, that is, there are no roads!
But how do you get?
We are waiting for spring, and there on boats, rafts.
Yeah. We have to call, they’ll come for me.
So, as the enterprise was destroyed, people began to drag everything in order to somehow feed their family and stole a telephone tower.
How do you live here ?!
And now we’ll get to the house, I’ll turn on the TV for you and you will see for yourself that we live well and we have no problems except Syria Venezuela and Ukraine ... no more ..

[Archivist Vasya]

Sorry to interrupt, I work for 20 clean (before taxes). Recently they transferred to another form of contract for a higher salary, but it doesn’t matter, in the future I plan to find a black salary - because as you correctly noted

Is there any certainty that you will survive to retirement and that it won’t be canceled in 5 years?

[dirk182]

So let's not) our "STATE" will find a way to take "ours". And the figures in the article are realistic. In my region, this is a valid white salary.

[private person]

And when it comes to retirement, you will immediately remember everything and say: the state, come on!
And where are your deductions to the budget and the FIU?

You will ask this question to the tax authorities and the authorities whose responsibility is to control these "small businessmen" who do not formalize people according to the official.

[U-58]

Yes, I’m trying to ask by voting in the elections for representatives of the left and national-patriotic forces.
This is for many other EPs with a guarantor - good, and jist - bad

[SovAr238A]

Quote: U-58

And when it comes to retirement, you will immediately remember everything and say: the state, come on!
And where are your deductions to the budget and the FIU?

And the example of my mother, who worked for almost 40 years in the foundry (the so-called "hot grid") - and received upon retirement - a monthly amount of 7800 rubles.
And any gypsy. not having worked a day - received 7200 rubles.


You should see my mother's tears ...
From such an injustice ...

[U-58]

"You should have seen my mother's tears ..."
I understand you and your mother very much.
It was the same with my mom.
And attempts to confirm the experience in Kiev in 60-65 years failed. Comrade Panov Ukrainians did not answer letters ...
The pension was small ...

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: U-58

You immediately remember everything and say: the state, come on!

Duc, it would be if we all retired one day at once .... then, yes ... butch could have happened. And so today is one, a week later another ....
"No, THEY will not get together - together, at the same time ..."
"We continue the meeting of the government ..." (C)
"And everything is so decorous and noble ... In the old way ..." (C) It can't be!

[insafufa]

I agree with you in our region that the average of 20-30 thousand is anything above 30 above the average already and there are no more than 10% of them. And above 60 receives no more than 3% of employees

[Sarmat Sanych]

Guys, well enough to drive the wave, do you believe in what you write? Does someone go out on the street? I remember how back in the 80s in our yard there was 1 clumsy machine, and in shops, apart from pasta and gnawed bones, you can stand in queues for 2 hours and not even take a blue chicken, and now there are mega-queues with full carts in Tapes, Ashanakh, Metro, etc. So "poorer" that there is no strength to go to the cafe, there are already five thousand five hundred couriers working in food delivery services... From a heap of countries come to work for us, there are 5 million ukrogaster workers here. Every year, about 30 million Russians have a rest at foreign resorts, and this is not our data but of foreign tour operators, is it "from a bad life"? Every year, Russians buy 70 million square meters of new housing alone. And the fact that we have 40% of the country in the gray works, which Rosstat takes into account these incomes? And half of the remaining 60% gets the second salary in an envelope. These hundreds of thousands of small car services, repairs of houses, furniture, computers, manicure and pedicure at home, bloggers, journalists, selling everything and everyone on the Internet annually for billions of dollars, etc. - what part is there "in white"? It was somehow necessary for a person to turn to the "tinsmith", so everyone was busy in the town, only brothers-Belarusians for 75 thousand helped. We shout "no money!", But it is impossible to drive up to park with your family on Friday and weekends to thousands of shopping centers throughout Russia, everything is occupied by millions of SUVs.

[210ox]

Look at how many cars in Africa are on the street and what they have in stores. This is not an indicator of a high quality of life.

[Sarmat Sanych]

I was away, so I do not immediately respond to the review. What do you think is the indicator if not cars, housing, food, clothes and electronics?) And by the way, I was a little bit in Africa, and my distant acquaintance was held up there back in the 2000s, there are not even the quantity and quality of cars thirsty there. The Russian car market is the third in Europe, the richest region of the planet. Even compared to the States and China.

[private person]

You compare life in, for example, in the regional capital and in some area of ​​this region. And then write that someone is driving a wave.

[Sarmat Sanych]

And where is the capital, I’m talking about the regional centers. I don’t even discuss Peter and Moscow; they are even higher in terms of infrastructure and personal savings than New York, Paris and Los Angeles.

[Aingof]

Where do you live. In Moscow in St. Petersburg? Almost all cars in my city used foreign cars 5 + years. The car is not a luxury for a long time. In addition, most of them are on credit. No need to give the number of cars as an example. Look at their quality and age and everything will fall into place.

[S-kerrigan]

In fact, age itself does not mean much - even if the car is 20-30 years old, but at the same time it is "watched", then of course in a number of aspects it will yield to the "young", but at the same time it will not be a bucket ...
I will not point a finger at my example, I’ll say about a more understandable-known one - to take the same Americans .... among them there are those who keep 70-80 cars courting, and people do not consider them trash.

[Sarmat Sanych]

I look specifically at their quality and age. And with regards to loans, they don’t take car loans for the latter, and the percentage of car loan delinquencies in Russia is less than 2%, so everything is logical for me.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

I remember how back in the 80s in our yard 1 clumsy machine stood

Oh, oh ... The Automotive God Witnesses came by.

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

I remember how back in the 80s in our

there was almost no motor vehicle ... On the main street it was possible to stand for 20-30 minutes and not a single truck or bus could be seen ...
[quote = I remember ... [/ quote]

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mikhail M

The author knows how the average, median and modal salaries differ?

The author most likely yes, but official sources probably no. And they will never publish data on the median wealth, because for them the level of the poor will be even higher.

[free]

Quote: Michael m

The author knows how the average, median and modal salaries differ? It seems that educational program should be organized. And about the Gini coefficient add a few words. By the way, the average salary is considered before taxes.

Like? I agree, but why do we need average, median and modal salarieswhen is nominal, real and relative?

[Simargl]

Quote: free

I agree, but why do we need the average, median and modal salaries when there is nominal, real and relative?

Everything is simpler: a statistical sample gives a fairly truthful picture (if the ranges are correct to take). And the average in the country is like in a hospital (where there is a morgue in the basement and a fever on the top floor).

[Eragon]

Quote: Michael m

The author knows how the average, median and modal salaries differ? It seems that educational program should be organized. And about the Gini coefficient add a few words. By the way, the average salary is considered before taxes.

Wherever you throw everywhere deceit, in other words, deceit. It is always surprising that the average salary is calculated before taxes. The salary - the salary to the employee - is what the employee received in his hands, in my opinion it is so right. And if, by law, I have a salary of 600000 rubles, taxes of 594000, then why do I need such a job. But the statistics will include 10000 dollars. To go nuts.

[DimDimych]

Quote: Mikhail M

The author knows how the average, median and modal salaries differ? It seems that educational program should be organized. And about the Gini coefficient add a few words. By the way, the average salary is considered before taxes.

Respected! Write your article taking into account the average, median and modal wages, and if it turns out to take into account the Gini coefficient (the Gini coefficient is a statistical indicator of the degree of stratification of society in a given country or region according to any studied criterion. It is used to assess economic inequality. - a short educational program), I will assume, that the members of the forum will be very grateful to you! I give you a plus in advance!

[vindigo]

Probably, it will be a lot of research and analytical work.

[den3080]

Quote: Michael m

The author knows how the average, median and modal salaries differ? It seems that educational program should be organized. And about the Gini coefficient add a few words. By the way, the average salary is considered before taxes.

It doesn’t matter what the salary is called and how these names differ, because these are notions of “European” educated statisticians.
It is important that in the wallet of people that arrives there monthly. This is the salary. And with her something in Russia is bad.
And the terms and clever calculations come from the evil one.

[New Year day]

Quote: Mikhail M

What is the difference between the average, median and modal salaries? It seems that educational program should be organized. And about the Gini coefficient add a few words.

What for this educational program when you get a salary and you understand what it will be enough for. There is always little money, but when it is enough, it’s already good

[Graz]

30 000 is far from a bad salary for the regions, in many cities her 10 years did not rise in many positions in professions

[svp67]

Quote: Graz

30 000 is far from a bad salary for the regions,

Yes, not bad, but the same is not enough. Moreover, it is AVERAGE ... And it’s not a secret to anyone that many people get less, much less.

[parusnik]

Of course it’s not bad, you can take a walk on a mortgage and take a car on credit and go to the city of Paris, satisfy spiritual needs, go to the Louvre Museum, go to the extremes in St. Petersburg to the Hermitage, maintain your health in the sanatorium and Doshirak .. And if you still find a part-time job you collect the same here and retire and life is successful .. There is only one thing, but if you are not optimized here and there ... at the peak of a successful life ... And then the law on the bankruptcy of individuals comes into force ...

[siberalt]

There will be no revolution in zakadnaya Russia; the population lives there. And in Moscow there is the Russian Guard, which is watching over the Moscow people. Where else are deputies and officials receiving a salary 20 times the minimum wage? Do I need to break my brains to understand who came up with such egregious income inequality, and who created such a pay system?

[Dechterev]

Quote: siberalt

receiving a salary 20 times the minimum wage?

as you can envy, it will not be enough for the needy officials even for tires from the Mercians on which they drive, but you are a monster!

[siberalt]

I repent, dear, I repent! Sorry, I won’t.

[Krasnodar]

And how much, in your opinion, does a gelding tire cost? )))
Take a look at Avito

[Dechterev]

Quote: Krasnodar

And how much, in your opinion, does a gelding tire cost? )))
Take a look at Avito

you suggest that such a person, convicted by the authorities will travel only in one meren? You sadist!

[Krasnodar]

Those exposed to power ride one. Wives, as a rule, former, on the second. Children in the third and fourth))

[Alf]

Quote: siberalt

Do I need to break my brains to understand who came up with such egregious income inequality, and who created such a wage system?

Bad Medvedev. Good Putin still does not know about it.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Alf

Bad Medvedev. Good Putin still does not know about it

Knows knows

[Destiny]

I agree, I found a ticket for 13 years, I shed a tear, how I, it turns out, lived well then. And why the fright "Russians with wages higher than 75 thousand rubles work in the field of mining,"? I am in this very sphere more than fifty dollars with the very I never received good weather on Thursday after the rain. No, well, if my and Sechin's salaries are added, the average temperature in the hospital will be very favorable ..

[K-612-O]

It should be noted that one thing is the white salary of state employees, in state-owned companies, large and medium enterprises, and another is the private sector in which the devil breaks his leg.

[VIT101]

Quote: K-612-O

and another private sector in which the devil breaks his leg

Indeed, the most problematic category. And those working on the medium and small private owners are the most disenfranchised and low paid. Half of them are not officially employed. No sick leave or vacation pay. In the regions there are 30 percent, if not more. The fate of these people does not bother the authorities. And they have nowhere to go.

[K-612-O]

And then what about the authorities? They will make a private trader pay the average salary in the region and taxes? So he will close the company and open a new one and so on in a circle, and there will be 2-3 people in it, and the rest on the black salary.

[Mikhail m]

Quote: VIT101

The fate of these people does not bother the authorities.

How not to care? And who was going to introduce a tax on parasites? And self-employed from the same series.

[Victor N]

The authorities are very worried about this, but they cannot completely cope with it: both the employers and the workers themselves impede in every way. The medicine is not invented.

[bessmertniy]

And there is a difference in food prices, etc. In Moscow and St. Petersburg they are not the highest, unlike salaries.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: K-612-O

It should be noted that one thing is the white salary of state employees, in state-owned companies, large and medium enterprises, and another is the private sector in which the devil breaks his leg.

And it is also said that + a complete social package.
I have never seen any social package at work, just all 15 years in the private sector.
True, sometimes I observed payment for the treatment of drinking or severely ill employees. No one provided hospitals.

[Eragon]

Quote: Graz

30 000 is far from a bad salary for the regions, in many cities her 10 years did not rise in many positions in professions

You know that 15000, that 30000 is not a salary for a modern country. At least 60000 and this is a minimal. I understand everything - economics, enemies, etc., but don’t say that 500 green is good. In many countries, unemployment benefits are 2 times greater.

[K-612-O]

Only there communal services and insurance are completely different, and there is no MHI for you.

[parusnik]

The average salary of Russians for 20 years increased by 20 times and now amounts to 30 thousand rubles.

- Here you have a daughter, on dresses and ice cream, and Lyuda for you - in! - on boots and lipsticks ... we will now ... sit hunger!
- Even you swung at 30 rubles, Nadyukha!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: parusnik

The average salary of Russians over 20 years increased by 20 times ......

- Here you have a daughter .....

Some kind of nonsense. As if the prices of food and clothes remained at the same previous level!
I remember the following --- the salary of my mother and her colleagues was 4500-6000 rubles. It seems that the allowance for the loss of the breadwinner was then 500 (?????) rubles
I remember that at 99m we walked around the market all day and bought me a jacket for 100 rubles, and my mother bought pants for 100 rubles. And what proportion now? Probably the jacket and trousers have become 20 times more expensive, at least.
I do not remember food prices at all.

[siberalt]

So, it is not the dollar that falls, but they come up with such a ruble exchange rate. For the rise of medium-sized businesses, as it were, and import substitution. Yeah. "Newspapers write, but we read and believe even .." A quote from a song by Willie Tokarev. He died at 84 yesterday. He was a good performer of the author's song and a cheerful man. Rest in peace to him.

[Krasnodar]

The kingdom to him be heaven! The end of an era, we are aging.

[Loess]

Quote: Reptiloid

I remember the following --- s / n for mom and her colleagues was 4500-6000r.

I remember 2002. Salary in 2000 rub. was considered normal. 4000 is big.

[Reptiloid]

In St. Petersburg. If you leave in the morning, at one or two nights come even seven days a week. Then my mother was without labor. I know that time was a lot of all kinds of deceptions, they just threw people, delayed their salaries, and then did not pay at all. And others took labor, and then did not pay and did not return the labor. And mother had some kind of northern benefits ....

Quote: Less

.... I remember the 2002th. Salary of 2000 rubles. was considered normal. 4000 is big.

[bald]

This is closer to realities, and if you take into account the number of unemployed (who want to work - but cannot find it, for many reasons) and share it with the real average salary indicated in the article, it turns out that it is a fur-bearing animal, and indeed it is.

[K-612-O]

It is only necessary to take into account the majority of the unemployed on typewriters for 4-5 lyam, whose handbags with hundreds of thousands in cash are twisted. The gray and black sectors are very extensive. Before the law on the self-employed, she earned 30-35 per month from her spouse and this was not taken into account anywhere.
And so for comparison on Rosatom, the average salary is 60-70 thousand, no one gets less than 30.

[insafufa]

I was offered to go to work in Rosatom with an RFP 85 in Belarus as an engineer for construction control. For 2 years on a contract so that this desire did not add breaks down with three children. It's easier to sit at home at 45

[K-612-O]

Everyone chooses for himself. I shook hands with 4 children, now at home, I work in Moscow, in Rosatom, though I’m not allowed to travel abroad, but it’s not annoying.

[yang174]

where else to work, who is not in Rosatom?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: bald

This is closer to realities, and if you take into account the number of unemployed (who want to work - but cannot find it, for many reasons) and share it with the real average salary indicated in the article, it turns out that it is a fur-bearing animal, and indeed it is.

You, you know, not everyone wants to work hard ... My friend, at 43, went to study to be a trolley bus driver ... Unlearned a year ... Now she works she receives an average of 60-65 thousand rubles .. Which is good for Sevastopol. There is a friend of the same age. All the time he achs and cries, as he is paid little. He works as a guard, after three days .. he gets 17 thousand rubles .. A healthy man, under two meters of growth. eats like an elephant .. Mom feeds .. not married, has not been and will not ... One does not want to live poorly and have to work hard, but walks with his head held high !!. ! Another also does not want to live poorly, but .... prefers to eat at the expense of mom ..

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 30 vis

have to work hard, but walks with his head held high !!.

Have you ever been hard? There you can’t just keep your head up high - you won’t spread your back in the evening.

[K-612-O]

Well then, you need to cover yourself with the sheet and go to the churchyard right away. So as not to strain.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: K-612-O

Well then, you need to cover yourself with the sheet and go to the churchyard right away.

Stupid, template answer. Are you ready for 40000 rubles. work 12 hours a day? At the construction site? Without a social package? And here in Togliatti there is practically no other work for that kind of money. Head hunter to help.

[Xnumx vis]

In the nineties, I worked at a construction site to get fed up .. For a penny ... I worked ... Of the equipment, only buckets and a shovel, a trowel of craftsmen .... Customers threw the whole team for money, they deceived .. I do not need to tell, how hard it is to work. It’s just harder to watch when there’s nothing to eat at home! A good builder worth its weight in gold has been and will be at all times! And walks with his head held high! The main thing is not to lose heart! Good luck to you !!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 30 vis

The main thing is not to lose heart! Good luck to you !!

I am trying. Have a nice one you too.

[bald]

This is of course a habit, there’s nothing to do (there are not so many true lazy people), that is, their meaning, and if it’s all gone, it’s shorter than burning life. And where did it begin? Who broke it off? - environment (not nature of course), but this is a difficult question, each has something different.

[K-612-O]

I agree, and there are quite a few second options, there are whiners who sit on the priest evenly and complain about how bad they feel, but they don’t want to move. Everyone owes them.

[insafufa]

Our trolley bus driver receives no more than 30 thousand and there is a constant staff turnover because it is only on profitable routes.

[Archivist Vasya]

Is the trolley bus driver hard work? Mindfulness, responsibility yes. But with the miner, for example, can not be compared.

[yang174]

Well, try to get up at 4 a.m. and 12 p.m. in a heat of 50 degrees ride. I worked in '96, s / n was more than that of many professionals. and there are no conditions, no s / n, so sit down and ride 20 tons with people. I'll see ....

[Archivist Vasya]

I don’t know where you got the 12-hour working day from, in your comment I answered a word about it, as well as about the heat of 50 (all the more so a couple of months of all, and that’s not always). So the miner is definitely harder.

[yang174]

a twelve-hour schedule with two breaks (at five in the morning at the depot, from 6 to 18-00 you work) the shift schedule goes from 6 to 9 in the morning, what schedule do you get yet. There are eight hours, there was also a three-shift with an overnight stay at the depot. on a trolley bus?
a couple of months of heat .... do you think your head though? try to ride in the sun without a konde, and better stop and talk to the carriers yourself, they will explain it for ease. while you are driving, my route lasted 1.10 one way (tour), respectively 2, 30 flight. 4 flights a day, it was a matter of passengers landing and shitting in the hatch of the driveshaft ...
said, ride first, and then reason. Is it hard to drive a trail? And I didn’t write a word about miners

[Archivist Vasya]

Your schedules are strange there, at least in Moscow a trolley / bus driver is not hard work, even in the absence of air conditioners.

[yang174]

and in Chelyabinsk, drivers get 30k, with processing

[Mountain shooter]

It varies greatly by region ... And in neighboring cities ... "Gray" salaries and other "income", of course, are not taken into account ... I tried to assess the purchasing power of the ruble of the USSR and the present ... For many positions it turned out - 1: 100 ... The penny of that time is like the ruble now. Even a dollar is 65 kopecks

[Brylevsky]

Also conducted a similar "reassessment." Now 1000 rubles approximately corresponds to 1 ruble in 1985 ... Region - Primorye. At that time I could live on one ruble for about two days ... not to “show off,” of course, but not to starve.

[Military Builder]

At that time I could live on one ruble for about two days ... not to “show off,” of course, but not to starve

it is if you sit on a salt sprat with potatoes then you can live for 3-4 days

[Krasnodar]

In the dining room to eat lunch 30 kopecks, sort of, was it worth it?

[Xnumx vis]

In the factory canteen, lunch cost 65 kopecks ... After an hour, do you remember eating or not .. Everything high-calorie was stolen by the workers of the canteen .. drying. utruska. the mouse and the right people ..

[Krasnodar]

well it is clear

[72jora72]

In the factory canteen, lunch cost 65 kopecks ... After an hour, do you remember eating or not .. Everything high-calorie was stolen by the workers of the canteen .. drying. utruska. the mouse and the right people ..

And in our "cafeteria", they were fed like slaughter, and very tasty. We boys ran after school, and the cooks' aunts fed us quietly for free.

[Michman]

Well, a thousand in Primorye, and now you can 2 days without problems + from the gun.

[Errr]

And I have been calling the ruble for a long time.)))

[bessmertniy]

The same Primorye. In 1985 there was a patch of about 140 rubles. I assure you that I’m not getting today 140. 000 times less. Then there was enough money. Now in debt to the housing and communal services, as in silk.

[Errr]

Quote: bessmertniy

In 1985 there was a patch of about 140 rubles. I assure you that I am not getting 140 today.

140 Soviet rubles (in 1985) with a very simplified version of the comparison can be equated to 14 thousand of the current Russian. About 140 thousand speech and can not be, because the transfer coefficient of one money to another in this case is about 100, and not about 1000. You were a little mistaken with the order (one zero in your argument is clearly superfluous).))) Otherwise, it’s hard for me to disagree with you.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Herrr

140 Soviet rubles (in 1985) with a very simplified version of the comparison can be equated to 14 thousand of the current Russian.

At 140 under the Union it was possible to live well, now at 14 tons. it is not real.

[Errr]

Until he became a father and 130 rubles was enough,
But since February 1985, it has become clearly not enough.)))
Miles sorry for the clumsy impromptu.)))
I have absolutely no reason to argue with you on this issue, because to argue with you in this particular case is the same as arguing with myself. But the truth of life is that for 14 thousand rubles. quite a lot of people live now. Circumstances are stronger than us. If someone suddenly tells you that he has a unique recipe for solving the problem of poverty even within the framework of one single country on the Planet and after that you suddenly have an irresistible urge to spit somewhere, then you can safely, with enough saliva, of course, do it two times. The second time is for me. I do not mind at all.)))

Quote: Ingvar 72

At 140 under the Union it was possible to live well

Here one could argue, but I will not. This is simply because "living well" is a very individual and extensible category.)))

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Herrr

One could argue here, but I won’t.

My mother and I lived at 120, until the 88th. At 16, I went to work.

Quote: Herrr

that he has a unique recipe for solving poverty

Industrialization, job creation, progressive taxes - these are the steps with which you can, if not solve the problem, but improve the situation.
In our country, import substitution looks like a simple change of foreign suppliers. We feed the Chinese, not ours.

[Errr]

Good wishes. There is no doubt. But who specifically intends to really improve the situation? That's the question. And where are the reserves at the expense of which all this is supposed to be done? Who exactly rolls up their sleeves and for what fraction of a small (as it was under the Bolsheviks) will go like a "real man" to raise everything, reconstruct, modernize, etc. etc.? In terms of concretization, I personally have only unanswered questions. And the devil, as everyone already knows, is in the details. In this "country of global plans" everything is somehow chronically convulsive.))) We are fighting with someone or something all the way. But that would still be half the trouble, well, we fight and fight, with whom it does not happen. The saddest thing in all this mess is that we are trying hard to fight our own discomforts with someone's hands, not at all our own, and for someone's money, which is also not our own. This is, apparently, from an excess of mind, not otherwise. It would be better for us to more often remember Bulgakov's Philip Filippovich, that is, Professor Preobrazhensky ...Therefore, my personal proposal for a real change in the situation in the country boils down to the mandatory participation of every citizen of the Russian Federation in elections to all levels of government and the most deliberate casting of his vote to a truly sensible candidate. Revolutions here are absolutely meaningless at the present historical stage, because literally all the necessary democratic institutions in our country have already been created, and a system better than a democratic one (with all its disadvantages) is not expected anywhere in the near future.
PS It would be nice for us just to return the election of judges, tk. from time to time, there are corrupt ones among them, and it is now almost impossible to remove a judge from office due to his global coverage up to the presidential administration and the impossibility of reaching the latter personally. The annual window dressing with answers to questions does not count due to real unreality))) being among the lucky ones asking about the case of "your honor" lying, appointed to the post by personal decree of the president himself.

[yang174]

will I take it, support?

[Mazuta]

Start with Chelyabinsk?

[yang174]

start immediately at the federal level. do not change anything at the local

[Errr]

If you see the goal, believe in yourself and do not notice obstacles, then the flag is in your hands! Why not?

[yang174]

that's for sure, and there is a wall

[72jora72]

140 Soviet rubles (in 1985) with a very simplified version of the comparison can be equated to 14 thousand of the current Russian.

_You could buy a moped for 140-180 rubles, now you can’t buy a moped for 14 tr .......

[Errr]

Quote: 72jora72

_You could buy a moped for 140-180 rubles, now you can’t buy a moped for 14 tr .......

Why is it so tragic. Bicycles "Desna", for example, "start" now from 7 thousand rubles, but 40 thousand rubles may not be enough for a mokik. It is a fact. But there is nothing surprising in view of the fact that at present the production of light motorcycles in our country (in Izhevsk) has rested in peace, unable to withstand competition with foreign countries.
And to compare old prices for domestic with current ones for import, it's like comparing sweets with shaggy.)))

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: 72jora72

140 Soviet rubles (in 1985) with a very simplified version of the comparison can be equated to 14 thousand of the current Russian.

_You could buy a moped for 140-180 rubles, now you can’t buy a moped for 14 tr .......

But for the twenty, which approximately without zeros is equal to 200 rubles of the USSR, you can take Gas 24 or VAZ Kopek! A good bike can cost as much as ... The most expensive bikes
1st place "Butterfly" Trek Madone. $ 500 ...
2nd place Trek Yoshitomo Nara Speed ​​Concept. $ 200 ...
3rd place Kaws Trek Madone. $ 160 ...
4th place Aurumania Crystal Edition Gold Bike. ...
5th place Trek Madone 7-Diamond Edition. ...
6th place of the Chrome Hearts x Cervelo Bike. ...
7th place 1890 Tiffany & Co. ...
8th place of the Montante Luxury Gold Collection. expensive car !

[Zaurbek]

Until 2013, it grew (salary) and in the dollar ... then it fell twice in the dollar .... now (I personally) are catching up only in 2013.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Zaurbek

Now (I personally) are catching up only in 2013.

It's about the same for me, only from the 14th expenses "slightly" increased, I bred. And children, as you know, want to eat.

[Zaurbek]

The same thing (taxes, children) .... and another moment, the position has since increased. Although plans and sales are in Euro ...

[Destiny]

The same situevina. Life has become better, life has become more fun .. Nothing but a nervous tic and the same nervous laughter do not cause such discussion topics. And even anger.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Zaurbek

Until 2013, it grew (salary) and in the dollar ... then it fell twice in the dollar .... now (I personally) are catching up only in 2013.

But somehow you can remember 1998-99. It will be sad. There was also a quick fall and slow growth afterwards.

[rotmistr60]

The average salary of Russians

Deriving something in between is as simple as possible, but how to tie it to real life is a big question?

[3vs]

I have long been proposing to make 20 a thousand rubles minimum, this is just a minimum per person to exist!
This should be at least 8-hour workday.
And take all taxes and deductions from exceeding the minimum wage.

If the authorities declare that their main task is to improve people's lives,
take and embody, I do not need awards, it’s a shame for the power!
If you don’t want to, there are people who are ready to work and not for a millionth
Silanova salary!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 3vs

And take all taxes and deductions from exceeding the minimum wage.

And necessarily a progressive taxation scale.

[Krasnodar]

Everyone who is not on the rollbacks will immediately run away. And the lion's share of “participants” in state tenders, too.

[3vs]

Nobody will run away, but most salaries will come out of the shadows.

[Krasnodar]

Two questions:
1) Why should they stay here?
2) Are you sure that with a progressive income tax, a social worker on a “white” salary will be beneficial for the founder? )))

[3vs]

"2) Are you sure that with a progressive income tax the social system for the" white "salary will be beneficial to the founder?))"
Everything must be considered!
And with what amounts should the progressive tax and the percentage of the tax itself begin.
In order not with a knife to the throat, but also "must have a conscience", we have enough programmers and mathematicians,
machine resources, judging by the delusions of universal labeling of goods, too, the main thing is will
in this case.

[Krasnodar]

That's it!
And if, with natural resources and the NI-potential of Russia built by the Bolsheviks, anyone would have considered anything here, except for the percent of the rollback and the monetary possibilities of a hardened brow, then in place of every Kursk there would be little Singapore, and the line for visas at the Russian Consulate in New York would exceed today's at the Amer embassy in Moscow. Therefore, nothing good will come of it.

[3vs]

"The queue for visas at the Russian consulate in New York" may appear if gomosyatina finally crushes normal people there, and in Russia there will be a ban on this ...

[Krasnodar]

This EU homosexual taxis, and even then, relatively. In the United States, half the population is aggressively against, the other do not care. But the gay president, at least for today, FIGs will be elected.

[3vs]

I’m talking about the prospect, if Don’t be thrown off, the tolerant quickly there their orders
they will ...
Well, EU migrants will teach life!

[Krasnodar]

Yes, Donya has nothing to do with it))
Half of the people there do not digest gays, even under Obama, even under Clintons
The other half is simply not interested in the orientation of the brow, or the Tolerasts or the gays themselves

[3vs]

I think, years 5-10 need to wait, and then we'll see ...

[Krasnodar]

But, in any case, the reason why people from there will run to Russia, it will not
A person needs a good education for children, good medicine, social guarantees such as a decent pension, etc. And gay pride parades and stuff are unpleasant, but no more. I had a friend in Israel - a lesbian girl, drop dead man, gave a full alignment of girls in my bachelor times and in general - good in all human qualities. But what and with whom she does in bed - I did not care.

[3vs]

Yes, how can I say, there is hope in the pack:
In the United States, a pastry chef who refused to bake a cake for a gay couple was acquitted.
“The US Supreme Court acquitted pastry chef Jack Phillips, who for religious reasons refused to make a special birthday cake for the wedding of two gay men.

In July of 2012, Charlie Craig and David Mullins decided to order a cake for their wedding (at that time the state of Colorado, where they lived, did not recognize same-sex marriage) from the popular Denver confectioner Jack Philips, owner of Masterpiece confectionery. Phillips - a deeply religious Christian - refused to make a special cake, offering Craig and Mullins to buy one of his ready-made ones.

The couple filed a complaint against Philips with the Civil Rights Commission. The commission ordered Philips to make wedding cakes for same-sex couples and attend a course of anti-discrimination lectures.

Phillips appealed the decision in court, lost and appealed. In December 2017, the case reached the US Supreme Court.

Today the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Philips by seven votes to two. The text of the judgment states that the confectioner's case is a special case and cannot be used to discriminate against members of the LGBT community. "
Source:
https://www.svoboda.org/a/29270941.html

Now, if there is - "The Supreme Court, by seven votes against two, ruled NOT in favor of Phillips.", Then it is time to pack your bags to Siberia, as many say, it will remain a piece of land untouched by the universal catastrophe ...

[ELEZKIY]

noodles on the ears. the average salary can only be calculated by separating the stratum of the rich from the total mass of the people. everyone knows that we have the rich and the super rich. so honestly and legislatively approve the methods of calculation. sr.zp of the majority will not go beyond 22-25tyr

[Mihail55]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

"Gray" salaries and other "income", of course, are not counted ..

To the very point !!!! Engineering with white salary at the minimum wage level is how ??? We live in complete lies ... pah!

[Cottodraton]

https://youtu.be/blBe6RbIkog
Interesting video.
I have from 27 to 000. All my friends are crooked, although more than half of the enterprises are the same.
Although, according to reports of the union, it is also about 45.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Cottodraton

https://youtu.be/blBe6RbIkog

Take off need non-stop, for objectivity. I’m sure that if in this mode to shoot a video in Tolyatti, the average salary (27000 rubles) will be 30% percent. 10-30% will be higher, the rest less.

[bessmertniy]

It must be assumed that 12,5 thousand rubles from the average salary are kickbacks for it to the beneficiary capitalist, thanking him for giving you work, and in the reports he shows that you skate like butter and cheese.

[rocket757]

About statistics, any, one thing can be said ..... people work there and they also want to eat bread and butter!
Who pays, that "music" and orders!
The working people are not having a sweet life, where a lot!
Everyone doesn’t fall into the komersants and officials, someone just needs to work, otherwise the country will bend faster than have time to grunt !!!! all at once, with the exception of hustlers, who dragged themselves somewhere straws.

[Dmitry Potapov]

And if you conduct a survey among parasite officials, then the average salary will be like in a fairy tale!

[Atenon]

So what? Even if it’s not 10000 or 100000, it’s not easier from this, it is important for everyone how much he receives.

[Chaldon48]

From a long picking in the nose and pension can up to 30000 rise.

[armata_armata]

They can rise up to 3 billion, depending on how the ruble depreciates ...

[Chaldon48]

I don’t know, do you remember or, but in 1993 you had a bill in denominations of 50000 rubles.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

The average salary, something like that comes out somewhere. Even if you work from product development, then here, they bring the salary to these indicators.

[Greenwood]

Only this salary cannot be called comfortable for life. It is especially offensive that it is often received by people who have worked for many years in the budgetary spheres and in production. And who, as a result, hear from our prime minister the sacred phrase "if you want to make money, go into business."

[Chaldon48]

Average salaries, this is someone to average with whom. In Soviet times, they liked to give as an example a joke allegedly spread by the United States: If you take two, and one ate 2 beefsteaks and the other none, then on average they ate one. So in my opinion and now it remains.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Yes, there is such a problem.

[pafegosoff]

"... it turned out that almost a third (30%) of Russians working in the light industry, the salary does not exceed 15 thousand rubles a month. About 21% of Russians employed in such areas as tourism, catering, education, agriculture and forestry farm, also receive a salary below 15 thousand rubles. "
Those. more than half of working Russians receive less than 15 thousand. Given that they have wives and children, in terms of the population, 75% of the total population lives at the limit of their possibilities and, as a rule, live on credit.

[Million]

Great power ..... Colossus with feet of clay

[Nestorych]

GDP - lies, theft, betrayal.

[Cympak]

There are still options: you can count with 13% of personal income tax, or you can without it, then people get their hands on

[tkoh]

Everyone has a small salary .... Only here in the yards you can’t get through because of expensive cars

[Victorio]

Quote: tkoh

Everyone has a small salary .... Only here in the yards you can’t get through because of expensive cars

===
there is one. but there is another, gouging and sloppiness. the plumber came from the managing company, and put 4 clamps on two meters of the pipe in the basement, instead of replacing it. and he replied to the claim that he was not going to do more for 15 thousand salaries.

[Alex66]

Yes, the campaign our power panties specifically fooled (threw pensioners) and is now trying to disguise this thing with perfume and cologne from statistics. Only really very scribbled in the old pants no perfume will help.

[andrei2911]

I live in the Smolensk region. I can say this - the bulk receives salaries in the region of 15 thousand. 20-25 thousand. This is already a very good salary and you can get such a job, basically, only by pull.

[andrei2911]

Quote: tkoh

Everyone has a small salary .... Only here in the yards you can’t get through because of expensive cars

Dear - is it a Ferrari, or what? All of these Hyundai and Skoda - credit, for which people pay for years.

[vindigo]

We have a lot of old Japanese.

[Mishka78]

And at this time:
1.

The condition of Russians in the top 10 richest citizens of the country, in total, increased by 10,8%. This is stated in a study by Bloomberg.
According to analysts, in Russia, the chairman of the Novatek board Leonid Mikhelson (he added $ 4,4 billion to his fortune), the member of the board of directors of Novatek and Sibur Gennady Timchenko (plus $ 4,1 billion) increased his fortune most of all. ) and the president of NK Lukoil Vagit Alekperov (plus $ 3,6 billion).

https://www.novayagazeta.ru/news/2018/10/18/146046-bloomberg-10-samyh-bogatyh-rossiyan-stali-esche-bogache-v-2018-godu

2.

For the I quarter of 2019, the total wealth of the richest Russians grew by $ 20,5 billion, it follows from the Bloomberg Billionaires Index (BBI) rating.

https://www.dp.ru/a/2019/04/01/Rossijskie_milliarderi_s

3.

From the beginning of the year, Russian billionaires became rich in $ 36,6 billion
None of the richest Russians has declined since the beginning of the year

https://www.rbc.ru/business/01/08/2019/5d42f9559a7947979a5491bd

Oh, you people are working, plowing instead of whining in your internet techs!

And then such vile research is published!

Respondents consider the Soviet government close to the people, strong and fair. The respondents perceive the current Russian government as criminal and bureaucratic

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/05/08/2019/5d47c4449a79477f6404a193?from=newsfeed

No matter how Rosstat does not try, no matter how they cover the mausoleum on May 9, and our vile people still remember and love the USSR!

[igorlvov]

IT people also get juniors from a piece of bucks, my little one went to St. Petersburg and started with that amount, with 40 pieces in white

[Greenwood]

In Moscow they get even more. Suggest everyone go to Moscow and St. Petersburg?

[Lexa-149]

The average salary of Russians for 20 years increased by 20 times and now amounts to 30 thousand rubles.

The survey was conducted in the Arbat-Kremlin and Rublev Federal Districts.

[senima56]

Well, just "the average temperature in the hospital"! I remember that Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev promised: "By 2000, every Soviet family should have in principle(this is a key word !!!) an apartment or a house! "That is, the same Mikhuil Sergeevich has an apartment and a house (maybe more ?!), and someone has nothing, but IN PRINCIPLE (2: 2 = 1) - yes! So it is with a salary - one million a month, ten others - 20 thousand, but IN PRINCIPLE (1 million: 10 = 100000) the "average salary" is 120 thousand!

[Victor N]

Comparable "average salaries" are for non-specialists. In fact, these are very different indicators, which should not coincide. We will be glad for those who receive high salaries, but these are very difficult industries and there are "heavy rubles" because there is a shortage of personnel.
Place of residence, specialty, skill level, intensity and labor productivity depend on us, and not on Rosstat. We always find how to justify ourselves and what others to blame. But you have to be honest with yourself. And it’s not worth speculating anyone.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Quote: Michael m

The author knows how the average, median and modal salaries differ? It seems that educational program should be organized. And about the Gini coefficient add a few words. By the way, the average salary is considered before taxes.

***
Anyone who receives a meager salary does not care "what is the difference between the average, median and modal salaries .... (которая) is considered before taxes ".... even with an educational program, even without an educational program ...

[tacet]

Anyone who receives a meager salary himself sought this.
1. Did not study ("there was no opportunity", rather desire)
2. He didn’t work, but attended work (that is, he spat on the result of his work from a high bell tower. And he is completely sure that he should be paid for visiting the enterprise. In real life, this individual receives REDUCED)
As a result, it has Wishlist on a cosmic scale with a complete lack of desire to make at least some kind of effort.
In reality, a responsible, thinking, willing to develop professionally employee must still be sought. (at best, it is 5-10% of the total mass). Accordingly, such people earn above average.

[fa2998]

Quote: Tatar 174

I never understood why these numbers are, because they, in addition to irritation, do not cause anything in the majority. Lies are the numbers!

Why calculate this average salary at all? Huge salaries of the "elite" have a great impact on the overall results.
I’m thinking of revealing the median salary (this is when half of the workers receive less, the other more.) I think this is an interesting method. I think we will have 15-20 thousand rubles. But at least 100500 million pay to the director, the result will not change.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Quote: tacet

Anyone who receives a meager salary himself sought this.
1. Did not study ("there was no opportunity", rather desire)
2. He didn’t work, but attended work (that is, he spat on the result of his work from a high bell tower. And he is completely sure that he should be paid for visiting the enterprise. In real life, this individual receives REDUCED)
As a result, it has Wishlist on a cosmic scale with a complete lack of desire to make at least some kind of effort.
In reality, a responsible, thinking, willing to develop professionally employee must still be sought. (at best, it is 5-10% of the total mass). Accordingly, such people earn above average.

***
1. Did not study ("there was no opportunity", rather desire).
Here you need to specifically understand that there are very different "stories":
- under the communists, only the lazy did not receive education;
- As for post-perestroika times, education was no longer a guarantor of either decent work or a career. Many with higher education began to perform unskilled work;
- in many places there is simply no work in other jobs with a decent salary ..
2. He didn’t work, but attended work (that is, he spat on the result of his work from a high bell tower. And he is completely sure that he should be paid for visiting the enterprise. In real life, this individual receives REDUCED)
- a radio factory was closed in the city (6 thousand qualified people worked) S-200, S-300 blocks were made, two concrete goods plants, KZRGO (leftovers) and so on;
- in the GOK, the number of people was reduced from 12-14 thousand people to 4,5-6 thousand people. The sweatshop system was strengthened to the detriment of "modernizing" production.
3. The city had 54 thousand people, and 38 thousand people remained.
3. The real responsible, thinking, willing to professionally develop the employee still need to look. (at best, it is 5-10% of the total mass).
- yes, only such people do not always manage to find work in the "provinces" ...
4. Accordingly, such people earn above average ... right ... like "Accordingly, such people earn below average" .... because there is simply no choice ....

[tacet]

So what keeps a qualified specialist in a given city? (He keeps himself there. It's his choice, so he can complain about himself). As for the "provinces" - I have 450 km to Muskva. With an average salary in our city of 30 rubles, the workers of my division earn from 40 to 60 (white). To represent the purchasing power of the salary, I will give an example - payments (communal services, etc.) - 8 per month; food (family of 4 people) - 16.

[Dr. Aibolit 66]

Meals for a family of 4 people 16000 per month ?! :))) Are you by any chance a relative of the ex-"minister" Sokolova ??? :)
What is it that turns out? The average bill is 533 rubles, divided by four ... :( It turns out just 133 or something per day ??? And what do you eat, if it's not a secret ?! :)))
Let me guess - "Doshirak" noodles three times a day (macaroshki, they cost the same everywhere) ?! :)))
Although ... Maybe you have breakfast-lunch-dinner at work, already "saving" ?!
And shoes, clothes? Probably do not wear out for many, many years ?! :)))
Do you happen to be a deputy from the State Duma?! ... :)))

[tacet]

Start cooking yourself, not go to the cafe

[fa2998]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Every year, about 30 million Russians relax in foreign resorts, and this is not our data, but foreign tour operators,

Well, this is like an average salary! With a population of 140 million (including infants and old women), EVERY RUSSIAN should have a rest in the Seychelles every 4 years.
Maybe the same people rest, and more than once a year. How many foreign passports did we get? Minority.

[UA3QHP]

Quote: Krasnodar

Naturally, to pay 40% of social programs for each salary.

30,2%

[Piramidon]

There is a lie, there is a blatant lie, and there are statistics.

[fif21]

It is not necessary to consider the average temperature in the hospital, but as follows: up to 10 thousand rubles, people, up to 20 thousand rubles, people, etc. But then it will be difficult to rub people on their comfortable life.

[LeonidL]

And how does hto take into account all the gray schemes and money in the envelope? Huh? You can’t go to the resort for 15 and you can’t buy a car. Why are there so many people in all the resorts of the world, Crimea, the Caucasus? Why is there so much car in every family that doesn’t drink everything, nowhere to put, there are not enough roads? And to look at the unemployed is such a nightmare! Only a week in the poor Bentley, a couple of cayenne and other Porsche with cadillacs and Mercians were stolen. How will they go to the exchange, receive benefits? Won that they would have used 000 billion to rush to rest abroad ... Poor, well, very, very poor country, Russia! Yeah.

[Dr. Aibolit 66]

Of course, you can’t go to the resort for 15 thousand ... :(
Delaying under the current "regime" is absolutely unrealistic! :( All the money goes to food and communal apartments. :(
Half of the country is starving, the debt load of the population is MONSTERY! :(
That's all the "achievements" of the Medvedev government - hypocrisy, nepotism and deception are everywhere! :(
And you don’t even look at all these Lexus and Cayenne, all this is an external gloss and gloss! :) Let this not mislead you! An expensive car doesn’t mean that a person is rich! :))) This often means that he VERY MUCH money owes to the bank!: (((But it's hard workers!
The so-called. "servants of the people" - rich people, but who always strive to boo at public expense!

[LeonidL]

You don't have to look at Lexus and cayenne, well, like they are not, so there is only one visibility, but what to do with the rest of the Russian car herd? When you go from Nizhny to Tver, there are two cars in each yard, and the houses are not frail. I'm not talking about Chelyabinsk, Moscow, Vladivostok, St. Petersburg ... Millionaires do not go to Turkish, Croatian and other budget beaches, so where are the hordes of Russian tourists and those who are just dying from there? and in fact also the Philippines, Thailand ... and further everywhere to the Crimea and the Caucasus. Even now, not millionaires, acquaintances every year, go abroad twice, now they decided to go to Brazil on a steamboat ... where do you live, dear? In the country of the victorious Maidan? In the Russian Federation, real workers and professionals now receive quite decent money both in the form of a salary and in an "envelope". You just need to be a cool specialist and drink less.

[Dr. Aibolit 66]

Buying essential goods + buying food on credit (!!!) - this is the apotheosis of "Putinism"! :(
This is such an economic "know-how" of Medvedev's bourgeois government! To squeeze the last juices out of the people, according to their bourgeois understanding - "did not fit into the market"! :(
Here he is the bestial grin of savage capitalism! :( The diet of unhappy pensioners in long-suffering Russia is many times worse than that of captured Wehrmacht soldiers !!! :(
Shame and disgrace! :(
We have never had a more indifferent "president", and I hope he never will again !!!
I propose to consider the experiment with the notorious "presidency" as UNSUCCESSFUL and EXTREMELY HARMFUL for the country!

[LeonidL]

From which finger do you suck our Svidomo information? You also write about eating salted hedgehogs and dried grasshoppers.

[DED_peer_DED]

Sarmat Sanych] I remember how back in the 80s there was 1 clumsy machine in our yard

Oh, oh ... The Automotive God Witnesses came by.

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

I remember how back in the 80s in our

there was almost no motor vehicle ... On the main street it was possible to stand for 20-30 minutes and not a single truck or bus could be seen ...
I remember ...

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Quote: tacet

So what keeps a qualified specialist in a given city? (He keeps himself there. It's his choice, so he can complain about himself). As for the "provinces" - I have 450 km to Muskva. With an average salary in our city of 30 rubles, the workers of my division earn from 40 to 60 (white). To represent the purchasing power of the salary, I will give an example - payments (communal services, etc.) - 8 per month; food (family of 4 people) - 16.

***
And in what city are they waiting for them with a salary so that they can rent an apartment, send them to their family, and live themselves?
Tell us where you can get 6 thousand people - graduates of communication institutes and technical schools, radio electronics, electrical engineers, and I will send them to you for employment in the specialty, so that they also get you from 40-60 thousand ...
And at the same time, several thousand engineers, technicians, and workers of the mining and processing enterprise were reduced ....
Here they are. qualified people became those same unskilled workers for 13-15 thousand a month - sellers, loaders, plumbers, electricians, janitors, etc. since there’s nowhere to work anymore like in networks, with private owners, in housing and communal services, in the budget.
PS 1) For one of your workers from 40 to 60 (white), in your own city three or four from 13-15 (black). Give the name of your city, I will prove that I am right.
2) We are in the province 1700 km from Moscow. The "prosperous" city of Kachkanar, the "prosperous" Sverdlovsk region (donor). The rest of many regions of the Russian Federation and cities in the region are much worse
3) We are talking about the "average salary" as well as the average temperature in the hospital!

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Quote: U-58

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Until he reaches retirement, there will be another ten pension reforms, and he will still receive a minimum pension.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Quote: K-612-O

And then what about the authorities? They will make a private trader pay the average salary in the region and taxes? So he will close the company and open a new one and so on in a circle, and there will be 2-3 people in it, and the rest on the black salary.

***
As soon as you become a private trader, but study the capital of K. Marx and 1C accounting, you will understand that after paying income tax, on property, VAT, personal income tax, PF, FFOMS, FSS, FP IP, and even rent, utility bills, Fuels and lubricants, etc., you don’t have anything left, then you’ll think hard ...

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Quote: igorlvov

IT people also get juniors from a piece of bucks, my little one went to St. Petersburg and started with that amount, with 40 pieces in white

***
When all IT specialists of Russia gather in Moscow and in St. Petersburg their salary will be 14 thousand