Tanks of Ukraine: present and future

On the Ukrainian Internet resource "Apostrof" appeared an interview with the director of the Kharkov plant named after Malysheva "Will there be a" tank of the future "in Ukraine: what kind of combat vehicles are created for the army", as it were, revealing the state and prospects of Ukrainian tank building. The interview described the “new products” of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, the T-64BM Bulat, T-84U Oplot tanks and the promising tank "Note". It should be noted that the interview is given by the director of the plant, which is far from developing tanks and their characteristics, like any director, he has only one task: to mass-produce what is ordered to him. The development of the tank is KB them. Morozov, and it determines the appearance, characteristics of tanks and prospects for their development. Therefore, the opinion of the director of the plant should be treated with caution, he simply does not know and does not understand many things, and gives out the wishful thinking.




The article describes the state and prospects of Ukrainian tank construction in rainbow colors. At one time, I had to develop prototypes of today's Ukrainian tanks, and I have a good idea of ​​what characteristics and capabilities they have. I can immediately say that these tanks had an excellent Soviet past, now the deplorable Ukrainian present and the future will be the same.

The article highly appreciates the Ukrainian T-84 tank, the modernized Soviet T-64BM Bulat tank, the "most advanced" T-84U Oplot tank and the promising Nota tank.

How did the T-84 tank appear


Consider what these tanks are. The T-84 tank is a complete copy of the Soviet production T-80UD tank. This is the last modification of the T-80U tank, adopted for service in the 1984 year. In accordance with the draft government decree prepared in 1990, all tank plants were to gradually move to the production of this tank, but the Union collapsed and this was not implemented. The tank was mass-produced at the plant. Malysheva until the 1992 year.

The T-84 tank appeared in 1996 when Ukraine entered into a contract with Pakistan for the supply of 320 tanks. Under this contract, the T-80UD was renamed due to the fact that the task was to transfer the entire Russian configuration of the tank to Ukrainian. This problem was solved, and deliveries to Pakistan mainly came with Ukrainian equipment.

The T-80UD tank was equipped with an 6TDF diesel engine with 1000 horsepower, with the 2A46M gun, the Irtysh gunner’s sighting system, the Reflex guided weapon system, the Agat-S commander’s sighting system and the Utes closed anti-aircraft gun.

Ukraine was not able to independently produce this tank, most of the components were supplied from Russia. This was especially true of guns and sighting systems, without which the tank could not be released. Several accidents helped to realize a closed tank production cycle in Ukraine.

In 1990, in connection with the preparation of mass production of the T-80UD tank and the expansion of the production of components for it, it was decided to launch the production of the Irtysh sighting system, the Reflex rocket laser guidance channel and the Agat-S sighting complex, in addition to the Vologda Optical-Mechanical plant at the Cherkasy Optical and Mechanical Plant "Fotopribor" and all the documentation was transferred to this plant. So in Ukraine, before the collapse of the Union, own production of the most advanced tank sighting systems at that time appeared, which Ukraine was not able to independently develop and produce.

No one has ever been involved in the development and production of cannons of any caliber in Ukraine, but in KHKBM there was a full set of documentation for the 2A46M gun. The breech of the gun was reproduced by the plant to them. Malysheva. For the production of trunks, special equipment and technology was needed, which was not there. They found equipment at several Ukrainian enterprises and commissioned them to organize the production of trunks. It was impossible to do this without technology, the most interesting thing is that the technology was transferred from the Perm Cannon Plant. Moreover, the specialists of this plant were sent to Ukraine for a special fee, and with their help the production of barrels was now organized for the Ukrainian gun KBA-3. So Russia with its own hands has grown a competitor in the production of guns in Ukraine.

There was no documentation for the Reflex missile in Ukraine; the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau made an attempt to develop such a missile, but they were engaged in very large missiles and could not develop such a "small" one. This work was entrusted to the Kiev design bureau Luch, which had previously taken part in the development of aircraft missiles. Having already had the documentation and production of the Reflex rocket laser guidance channel, they have been trying to repeat this rocket for more than ten years and as a result have developed and launched the Combat rocket, which in its characteristics corresponds to the Reflex rocket. This rocket became the prototypes of a whole family of rockets produced in Ukraine for various types of military equipment.

All electronics, most of the documentation for which was also reproduced at Kharkov enterprises that produced electronics for the Soviet space-rocket complex. The gun’s hydraulic stabilizer was reproduced at the FED plant, which had excellent technology for the production of hydraulic machines for aviation.

As a result, the complete set of the tank was reproduced and put into production with the money of the Pakistani contract. So it was possible to repeat the Soviet T-80UD tank and pass it off as a new Ukrainian development of the T-84 tank.

Upgraded T-64BV tank


In Ukraine, at the end of the 90's, a project was implemented to modernize the Soviet T-64BV tank, mass-produced in the 1976-1984 years, which received the Bulat T-64BM index. The modernization consisted in bringing its characteristics to the T-84 level, with the installation of the sighting system of the gunner “Irtysh”, the sighting system of the commander “Agat-S”, the replacement of the guided weapon system “Cobra” with “Reflex”, which have already received Ukrainian names and indices, a set dynamic protection "Knife", upgraded night sight gunner "Buran", installing an 5TDFM engine with 850 horsepower. or 6TD-1 power 1000 hp

At the beginning of the 2000, 10 of such tanks were modernized; the tank was never launched into mass production. With the outbreak of war in the Donbass, a small batch of T-64BV tanks was modernized, but it was no longer possible to massively upgrade tanks due to the collapse of tank production and lack of funding.

Tank T-84U "Hold"


As if the new Ukrainian T-84U Oplot tank was developed in 2011 as a further development of the T-84 tank. It was distinguished by the installation of an 6TD-2Е engine with an output of 1200 hp, an auxiliary diesel power plant with an output of 10 kW, a welded turret, Duplet dynamic protection, a gunner’s thermal imaging sight with imported components, a commander’s panoramic sight with a laser rangefinder and a thermal imaging channel, a navigation system with a tablet displaying information working on GPS / GLONASS satellite navigation signals, an optoelectronic counteraction system based on the Soviet Blind system.

In total, one T-84U Oplot tank was launched. It was not possible to organize mass production due to the collapse of industry and the lack of funding. In the 2011 year, a contract was signed with Thailand for the supply of 49 of these tanks, which was hardly completed only in the 2018 year.

The upgraded tank T-64 BM “Bulat” and T-84 in terms of firepower and mobility at the level of the Russian tank T-72 B3 with the sighting system of the gunner Sosna U, the sighting system of the commander Agat-S and the engine power 1000 hp ., as well as at the T-90 level with the sighting system of the gunner "Irtysh-Reflex", the sighting system of the commander "Agat-C" and the engine power 1000 hp

The T-84U Oplot tank at the level of the T-90СМ tank with the gunner’s sighting system Sosna U, a panorama of the commander of Falcon Eye and an 1130 horsepower engine.

Myths about the tank "Note"


The director of the plant tells some idle speculations about the promising Ukrainian tank Nota, not knowing and not understanding the essence of the problem. He says that the project of the Nota tank was still being developed in the Soviet Union with an uninhabited tower, the drawings were transferred to Moscow and the tank was repeated there, making the Armata. It’s hard to even come up with such nonsense; fairy tales are purely in the Ukrainian style.

I am a participant in the development of the last Soviet Boxer tank, which has nothing to do with Note. Work on the Boxer tank was discontinued in 1991 due to the collapse of the Union and the inability to conduct such complex and expensive developments in Ukraine. It was development work with the manufacture of several prototypes, but the design bureau was in another state and the work was canceled.

The Boxer tank was a classic layout with an inhabited tower and a semi-extended gun. The concept of the tank was well known in the Ministry of Defense, its project was considered and defended there with the participation of representatives of the Ministry of Defense, Kubinka, VNIITM, there was no secret for specialists, moreover, the development of many components and systems of the tank was carried out in Russia.

The documentation for the tank was not transferred to Moscow until 1995, at that time I was still working in the design bureau. Perhaps, during the implementation of the Pakistani contract, something could have been betrayed for help in its implementation, but there was no particular need for this, too much time passed. After the collapse of the Union, the project of the promising tank “Object 195” was developed at UVZ at the beginning of the 90's, it used many ideas, components and systems of the Boxer tank, 152-mm semi-remote gun, sighting systems, TIUS and a number of other systems developed for the tank Boxer by Russian enterprises. The difference was in an uninhabited tower and the placement of the crew in a capsule in the tank body. In 2009, this project was abandoned and the Armata project was launched with a different concept.

The mythical stories that a promising new tank is being developed in Ukraine can only be perceived as a joke. There are neither resources nor opportunities for this. The tank is developing not only a tank design bureau, but a mass of allies without which it cannot be created. There are no such allies in Ukraine today, there is global devastation in science and industry, what tanks are there!

At the end of the 90’s, the KGBM carried out search research work “Nota” to search for the concept of the tank of the future and nothing more. One of the participants in this project has already written on the Internet that they painted pictures of tanks, no one seriously worked on them, and moreover, the design of the tank and all its components and systems was not developed. This is done in any design bureau and even by amateurs, there is little sense in it. This work ended long ago with nothing, tanks create teams of specialists in various industries, and this is possible only in a strong and wealthy state, and not in a poor and crumbling Ukraine.

Prospects for Ukrainian tank building


The tank building school in the KKBM is still preserved, but it went to the wrong state. Without serious economic, scientific and industrial power, nobody needs this. In Soviet times, masterpieces of tank building were created there. At the Soviet backlog in the 90, when industry had not yet collapsed, it was possible to maintain that level and upgrade tanks, achieving good performance. With today's devastation, it is impossible to even reproduce what was in the near future and this will be lost.

So far, you can still upgrade previously released tanks, bringing them to the level of T-84 (T-80UD), but this is not for long. There will soon be no one to produce components.

The T-84BM Bulat and T-84U Oplot tanks are not in the Ukrainian army for two reasons: firstly, it is impossible to establish their serial production due to the collapse of industry; secondly, Ukraine does not need such sophisticated tanks with high performance and cost in military operations in the Donbass, and therefore they are not in demand. Nobody will now let Ukraine into the foreign arms market; nobody needs a competitor there. In this regard, the prospects for Ukrainian tank construction are very deplorable.
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  1. andrewkor 5 August 2019 05: 22 New
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    One title, without reading the article itself, you can guess who the author is.
    His political reviews are also good. It is strange only that on Russian TV, where there are all sorts of inadequacies with an independent one, they do not call such an expert who was tired of the Nazis.
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 5 August 2019 10: 41 New
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      The author does not always indicate reliable data. I will quote the author:
      In Ukraine, at the end of the 90's, a project was implemented to modernize the Soviet T-64BV tank, mass-produced in the 1976-1984 years, which received the Bulat T-64BM index. The modernization consisted in bringing its characteristics to the T-84 level, with the installation of the sighting system of the gunner "Irtysh", the sighting system of the commander "Agat-S", the replacement of the guided weapon system "Cobra" with "Reflex", which have already received Ukrainian names and indices dynamic protection "Knife", upgraded night sight gunner "Buran", installing an 5TDFM engine with 850 horsepower. or 6TD-1 power 1000 hp At the beginning of the 2000, 10 of such tanks were modernized; the tank was never launched into mass production. With the outbreak of war in the Donbass, a small batch of T-64BV tanks was modernized, but it was no longer possible to massively upgrade tanks due to the collapse of tank production and lack of funding.

      So the T-64BM “Bulat” did not produce 10 tanks, as the author writes, it is known about the 92-released copies of the T-64БМ, of which 91 entered the 1th brigade, and the 1 tank was sent to the National Guard of Ukraine. In the period from 1.07.2014 to the end of September of the same year, in the Donbass, only the 1-I brigade destroyed 17 T-64BM Bulat tanks. It is also worth noting the T-64 of the 2017 model of the year, which is an analog of the T-72б3. The main upgrade that Bulat needed was a new sight with a thermal imager for the gunner - the target detection range was increased to 5km (it was 800 m), and the recognition range to 4km (it was 400 m). Moreover, in any weather and time of day, and not like the old one only in the afternoon. They put the “Shield” on tanks, modified with experience in the Donbass, the “Knife” from Bulatov and Oplotov. The T-64 of the 2017 model of the year, unlike the T-72Б3, has a closed machine-gun mount. Tanks will be upgraded in Kharkov in three shifts, about 100 tanks have already been upgraded. They have reserves. In the 1985 year, they came up with a modification of the T-64BV, in the 1987 year they made new 600 pieces. T-64BV actually from the very beginning (since the collapse of the USSR) was the main and most numerous APU tank. Unsurprisingly, it was designed and made in Kharkov, and after the withdrawal of troops from the GDR many tanks were left in Ukraine.
      By the beginning of 1989, the group (troops in the German Democratic Republic) included 5 armies, uniting 11 tank and 8 motorized infantry formations, not counting individual units (the predominant type of tanks is indicated in brackets).
      Panzer divisions, staffing by 328 tanks:
      7 Guards (T-64); 10 Guards (T-80); 11 Guards (T-80); 12 Guards (T-64); 25 (T-64); 32 Guards (T-64); 47 Guards (T-64); 79 Guards (T-80).
      Panzer divisions, staffing by 250 tanks:
      9 (T-80); 16 Guards (T-80); 90 Guards (T-80). Motorized rifle divisions, staffing by 214 tanks:
      20 Guards (T-80); 21 (T-80); 27 Guards (T-80); 35 (T-80); 39 Guards (T-80); 57 Guards (T-64); 94 Guards (T-64); 207 (T-80).

      http://otvaga2004.ru/tanki/v-stroyu/razvertyvanie-v-gsvgzgv/
    2. mmaxx 6 August 2019 17: 56 New
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      We will sympathize with the author. But we will not sympathize and be sad about the Ukrainian tank industry. This country has been yelling for about 20 years that it will join NATO. And all the sworn friends of Russia with their mongrel gathered in NATO. And Ukraine is trying to earn a place mongrel, barking earlier and louder than all. The most interesting thing is that people are inclined to this idea more and more.
      There is no Kharkov plant - and to hell with it. No Ukrainian tanks - either. Good thing not. Even the body to level and normal. And we are pleased to read about any failed projects. We love the story. About tanks, etc.
  2. Grits 5 August 2019 05: 26 New
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    History will judge everything, and I’m sure that Kharkov will be either as a People’s Republic of Hungary, or as part of Novorosii, or as part of Russia. That's just the legendary tank factory and tank design bureau will be gone.
    1. rybalkin-igor 5 August 2019 11: 31 New
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      Kharkov will be where it is now, in Ukraine. Stop dreaming. Hundreds of thousands of immigrants from the USSR live in the USA, including Russians, but for some reason nobody organizes the New York People's Republic there. There, all Russians are happy with everything. Just like in Kharkov or, say, Zaporozhye. The fact is that the Russians in Ukraine are only by origin, but in fact they are long ago citizens of Ukraine and worry about it no less than we do for Russia. It is their Homeland, good or bad, but Homeland.
      1. Sancho_SP 5 August 2019 11: 54 New
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        I think that the long-term existence of Ukraine as such is being called into question.

        There are many likely scenarios.
      2. neri73-r 5 August 2019 12: 01 New
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        Quote: rybalkin-igor
        It is their Homeland, good or bad, but Homeland.

        We all have one homeland - RI, USSR, Russia will be, everything will return to square one (C)!
        1. revnagan 5 August 2019 13: 14 New
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          Quote: neri73-r
          We all have one homeland - RI, USSR, Russia will be,

          And why do you sign for “all of us?” I have the homeland of the USSR, no tsarist RI, no capitalist oligarchic RF. I don’t know, I don’t know.
          1. neri73-r 5 August 2019 13: 32 New
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            Quote: revnagan
            And why do you sign for “all of us?” I have the homeland of the USSR, no tsarist RI, no capitalist oligarchic RF. I don’t know, I don’t know.

            In my opinion, Homeland is a little more than tsarism, communism and capitalism! hi
            1. Red_Baron 5 August 2019 13: 56 New
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              Correctly argue, in my opinion.
            2. revnagan 5 August 2019 18: 07 New
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              Quote: neri73-r
              In my opinion

              Do you think your view is the only true one and has the right to exist? And it’s not about the political system, but about the existence of a particular state in a specific historical period. Were the Bolsheviks patriots of Russia? Yes. Were they patriots of tsarist or capitalist Russia? No. For they are such Russia is the worst enemy. So either the USSR or nothing. The homeland is the USSR, Russia, the Russian Federation, with its oligarchs, capitalists, nioc plutocrats.
              1. Red_Baron 5 August 2019 20: 11 New
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                Quote: revnagan
                Yes. Were they patriots of tsarist or capitalist Russia? No. For them, Russia is their worst enemy. So either the USSR or nothing. The homeland is the USSR, Russia, the Russian Federation, with its oligarchs, capitalists, nioc plutocrats.

                You confuse the country and the state. These are slightly different things.
            3. freejack 5 August 2019 19: 13 New
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              In my opinion, Homeland is a little more

              In the top ten!)) You "plus"! OUR lands should be saved, but cleansed of them from all kinds of rubbish - the ultra-left and the ultra-right, their own and temporarily departed .... And so ....

              They all fought - and the boyars, and executive committees and oligarchs .... This does not matter! Break through! hi
      3. Red_Baron 5 August 2019 12: 20 New
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        So no one judges whether she is good or bad. There is a fact that criminal acts have occurred as a result of which genocide of its own inhabitants is essentially going on in the country.
        Kharkov was one of the first where local activists rebelled against the similar, only there they were crushed by visitors. But at the same time, time and energy won for Donetsk.
        And in vain do you think that Russia does not like Ukraine. Many simply confuse the current state with the country. The country is even loved.
        1. revnagan 5 August 2019 18: 11 New
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          Quote: Red_Baron
          And in vain do you think that Russia does not like Ukraine.

          "Do elephant pigs love piglets, and HOW do they love them?"
          A. Miln "Winnie the Pooh and all-all-all."
          Quote: Red_Baron
          The country is even loved.

          Yeah, especially its assets and territory. Our oil platforms, bowels and so on ... So you don’t have to sing war songs about love.
          1. Red_Baron 5 August 2019 20: 08 New
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            I took my first steps in life on a train to Dnepropetrovsk, not the Dnieper. My relatives live there. Although I myself am a Muscovite. He studied according to the words on the Shevchenko monument. In the evenings in the village near Dnepropetrovsk they looked at the lights of the passing boats Rocket and small motor ships. Some of the girls that I loved and love live in Ukraine. When we communicate with friends, colleagues, just with people in some kind of associations, the question doesn’t arise who is where from. Well, Ukrainian, and well, what's the matter. There are people who have a brain distortion among Ukrainians in relation to us or Russians in relation to Ukrainians, but they stand out because they are exceptions. When Ukraine is blamed for something, it’s some kind of frantic nationalists or similar, not very healthy people.
            You don’t understand what you’re saying. What assets and territory? The same Ukraine always has Russia. Or do you think that a Ukrainian cannot create his own business with us, a Ukrainian oligarch to buy something? Or can an ordinary person not come to us? And everywhere it will be the same as everything, no different. At least to come to visit, at least live.
            Maybe I don’t understand something and they will correct me, but here is a Petersburger, Siberian, Ukrainian, archangel-townsman or someone else who has something that stands out and cuts his eyes, hearing. All their people, all the same, all Russian. Well, ok, if you don’t like to be called Russian, let there be Ukrainians, I also don’t see a problem here and some kind of infringement on you.
            You make the problem out of what, artificially. Just someone is profitable and you are being driven. And even here it’s hard to blame you when this is constantly pumped.
            And what kind of Ukrainian oil platforms are you talking about? In my wildness I do not know a single one.
      4. Ingvar 72 5 August 2019 14: 36 New
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        Quote: rybalkin-igor
        . It is their Homeland, good or bad, but Homeland.

        Their homeland is Russia, which was artificially torn into three parts. Ukrainization began at the end of the 19th century, in the bowels of the General Staff of Kaiser Germany. Now we are all measured by the princes, who are more primordial. As in the riddle about the chicken and the egg.
        1. Red_Baron 5 August 2019 15: 02 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Now we are all measured by the princes, who are more primordial. As in the riddle about the chicken and the egg.

          I agree with everything except this. Unfortunately, there were no significant discussions about who was starving more, who died more during the Great Patriotic War and who were more initial, until this discussion topic was artificially thrown into the heads of our brothers.
          I am sure that this is a continuation of that artificial tearing. Like many other points.
  3. Amateur 5 August 2019 05: 54 New
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    The apotheosis of evaluating Ukrainian tanks gave me real pleasure:
    In addition, we have an advantage over Russian tanks - this is a reverse speed of 35 km / h. This is a very useful option. Suppose you went out into the field, shot off, after which you don’t have to turn around and go to cover - you can quickly “hide” in reverse. Russian tanks have a reverse speed of only 5 km / h.
    (General Director of the Kharkov plant named after Malyshev (2016-2019) ALEXANDER KHLAN)

    Ukrainian tank "Oplot" - the very best to drape from the battlefield!
    In June, you were dismissed as director of the plant named after Malysheva. Why did it happen so?
    - They did not renew the contract with me without explaining the reasons.

    wassat
    1. svp67 5 August 2019 06: 23 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      The apotheosis of evaluating Ukrainian tanks gave me real pleasure:

      And what did you see wrong here? Quite an adequate and correct statement, only he had to indicate which tanks they were ...
      Quote: Amateur
      Ukrainian tank "Oplot" - the very best to drape from the battlefield!

      Well, if you understand that, then of course. In general, this is an increase in the maneuverability of the tank on the battlefield. Not as a superfluous characteristic and property
      1. Amateur 5 August 2019 06: 37 New
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        In general, this is an increase in tank maneuverability on the battlefield

        Reverse without some kind of rear view at a speed of 35 km / h can only "heroes for fat" and after the burned glass of buryak
        1. svp67 5 August 2019 07: 15 New
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          Quote: Amateur
          Reverse without some kind of rear view at a speed of 35 km / h can only "heroes for fat" and after the burned glass of buryak

          This can be said only by “true amateurs” who have never had experience in controlling a tank.
          Watch this video and tell me, what do NATO tankers use?
          1. Amateur 5 August 2019 07: 21 New
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            I don’t know about NATO. Well, you try to conduct an experiment. Sit in your car and try to drive in reverse gear with a maximum speed of at least 1 km. Good luck! good
            1. svp67 5 August 2019 07: 36 New
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              Quote: Amateur
              I don’t know about NATO. Well, you try to conduct an experiment. Sit in your car and try to drive in reverse gear with a maximum speed of at least 1 km. Good luck!

              Dear, I’m not just in my own car, I dashed enough in the tanks at one time, including backing up. And I know, and most importantly I know how to do it. So that all your statements are simply ridiculous for me. You really are an "amateur" who wants to discuss the issue, absolutely not knowing what he is discussing.
              1. Amateur 5 August 2019 07: 43 New
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                Good luck and further success in viewing the artistic work of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine! drinks
                1. svp67 5 August 2019 08: 02 New
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                  Quote: Amateur
                  Good luck and further success in viewing the artistic work of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine!

                  Thank. And I wish you a more responsible attitude to the comments and not argue with people who are professionals in these matters.
                  And, in order to successfully fight against someone, you must first thoroughly study it, so your wish for further success is ACCEPTED
                  1. Red_Baron 5 August 2019 12: 22 New
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                    But he did not argue. A person does not have the slightest idea about the topic of the dispute, but he has a very great desire to throw out his ... mmmm thoughts what he thinks about Ukraine, who is stupid and doesn’t understand well and that’s all.
              2. carstorm 11 5 August 2019 08: 20 New
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                Well, if so, then you should know that the movement on the tank and on the car has one big difference. a sense of speed by a person is different. when marching at an average speed of 35 km, it feels like about 100 by car .. when reversing, the spatial orientation also changes and therefore reversing is done only through commands given to the mechanics. installing reverse cameras will help little. well parking only. in any other case, you have nowhere to apply this speed in reverse. for you can move only directly without the possibility of maneuver. in battle, there’s no one to watch the front and commands too. how do you imagine it?
                1. svp67 5 August 2019 08: 28 New
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                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  Well, if so then you should know that the movement on the tank

                  That's right, it remains to wonder when and at what distance is such a movement required? When, it’s clear here that they would have to leave their position or leave the line of fire, that is, not for long-term movement, but for maneuvering.
                  Therefore, the distance of such movement will be measured in tens of meters, but not as kilometers
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  in battle, there’s no one to watch the front and commands too. how do you imagine it?
                  And here excuse me, it all depends on the crew’s training and how is it not who to give the team to, but the commander for what? Only receive money for the post? No, who’s who, and the commander that you want the “squirrel in the wheel”, that means spin and don’t forget that you’re responsible for other people's lives
                2. Mazuta 5 August 2019 12: 44 New
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                  Why argue with the obvious ?!
                  Standard NATO exercise.
                  And the speed is not 2 km / h ...
                  The ability to move zh provided by "reverse". The inclusion of higher gears, at least among the Germans, on the L-1 is specifically limited ...
              3. rybalkin-igor 5 August 2019 11: 39 New
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                Now I definitely made sure that you worked as a deputy for this director and that you personally wrote all the speeches to him. He himself would not have been able to think of such a thing, apparently the peasant was all the same adequate, and therefore he was fired.
                1. Red_Baron 5 August 2019 12: 26 New
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                  That is, a person who understands something better than you and does not run to run slogans on command is wrong in something or even is guilty before you? In a terrible world you live, because everything is almost all around you.
                  Before you write nonsense, you would refute at least one thesis svp67 and we would see if you are right.
          2. evgenii67 5 August 2019 09: 55 New
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            I don’t know, if we invite Western “colleagues” and Ukrainians to their tanks on our tanks, our winners will surely win again, but if we include the “reverse gear” element in the tank biathlon, then our chances are zero
            1. Red_Baron 5 August 2019 14: 03 New
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              Tank biathlon is generally a specific action. This is not a question of realism, any special exercises. For them, if necessary, come up with a separate discipline. I think this is generally an extremely wise notion. All the elements of a tank biathlon are not too complicated and even the most inexperienced can reach the finish line, but I know there are talents who need a spare tank. At the same time, they perfectly demonstrate the advantages of modernized machines.
          3. tracer 6 August 2019 03: 13 New
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            I have an unhealthy reaction to tanks with crosses and German on the air. What did aphids get from grandfather? Hand looking for a bunch of grenades itself.
      2. rybalkin-igor 5 August 2019 11: 36 New
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        Do you even imagine how you can go in reverse without seeing anything at a speed of 35 km / h? Are you also from Ukraine? Accidentally did not work as a deputy for this director?
        1. Red_Baron 5 August 2019 12: 28 New
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          And what does the phrase "you are also from Ukraine?" Do you have any particular manifestation of hatred towards its inhabitants?
          And you can move at least 100km per hour, if the technique allows. You are not on the route to go at such a speed but to make a maneuver of several meters.
          1. Aqela 5 August 2019 17: 47 New
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            Andrei, please do not pay attention to this figure with one gyrus and that one is chauvinistic. taking into account that Little Russians and Great Russians are the essence of a single people’s branch, we should expect that our “Natsiks” are not very different from all kinds of “bandelogs”, except for the color of the flags. am
            In this discussion topic, I doubt that the T-72 can reverse at a speed of 1 km / h. Something will not be enough ... request recourse
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              Thank you, Oleg!
              Quote: Aqela
              In this discussion topic, I doubt that the T-72 can reverse at a speed of 1 km / h. Something will not be enough ...

              As far as I know 5 km / h.
          2. carstorm 11 5 August 2019 19: 53 New
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            you can put panties over your head but just why? you understand at such a speed you can only move directly and in fact the only thing in which it will help is to quickly roll back into relief. but you do not see it and do not feel this relief. Well, it's impossible physically. all of these videos are certainly super and anyone can know for sure that there are no obstacles in the front. but during the battle you do not have such information. and the tanks do not back up from under the fire. it’s a stupid target that can’t even maneuver. it’s good of course that there is such an opportunity, but in reality you won’t use it anyway. It’s like I have an L in my car that I haven’t turned on in my life. maybe someday a single car it will come in handy once or twice. but in 99.9 cases of the use of tanks, they will move directly and go out of the fire maneuvering.
        2. mmaxx 6 August 2019 17: 43 New
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          Given the fact that behind the tank the infantry tries to hide, this is a very useful property. To Bandera ub:%?:% People did not have time to escape, while they will be crushed.
  4. LeonidL 5 August 2019 06: 16 New
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    I read and remembered a long-seen picture of one Russian artist-Wanderer "Everything is in the past ..." Or in other words: "Everything was already and was overgrown with past." Because such a rear-speed.
  5. Monar 5 August 2019 07: 00 New
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    In 2011, a contract was signed with Thailand for the supply of 49 of these tanks, which was hardly completed only in 2018.

    49 tanks with difficulty in 8 years. Yes, and under a foreign contract, which implies a 100% guarantee of payment. Surely another part was paid right away.
    That’s all the prospects for tank building in Ukraine. Europe does not need their tanks. The rest may be a trifle which they will buy. But, given how Ukraine fulfills its obligations, it is very doubtful. One thing remains. To modernize the remaining from the USSR. But the supply of possibilities is not unlimited. Dead end.
    1. oprovergatel 5 August 2019 16: 30 New
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      Well why

      They can still sell Soviet-made fifty-sixty-year-old Soviet-made cars to all kinds of Mugambia, as they did before, they can still. There, in some African states, the T-34s will be torn off with their hands. Although the most liquid stocks were sold out in the previous 20 years, now there are mostly rusty cases with rotten stuffing left on the storage sites, podshamanivanie such is much more expensive.

      But about the production of new tanks, or even the normal sawing of old sixty-fours and eighties into Bulaty and Oploty, that's all. Too expensive and beyond the power of modern Ukrainian tank building. One normal tank sight with a thermal imager costs a couple of tens of millions of rubles. And there is such a good car and a small cart.
      1. Monar 5 August 2019 19: 10 New
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        I don’t know how much a tank sight costs. But my humble opinion. How much new in the T-64 do not shove, the base will remain. With its advantages and disadvantages.
        Well, you’re talking about rusty warehouses in vain. The hull and tower do not care. But to clean the grinder and hang up the modern body kit ... It will be a worthy instance of BTT. Well, this is the maximum of Ukraine.
        1. oprovergatel 27 August 2019 08: 51 New
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          You probably read the sentence inattentively. There further, after the “rusty hulls” there is still a “rotten filling”, and this is the key!

          In tanks, quite a while ago, the price of the hull in the total cost is 20-30%. The main thing is fire monitoring and control systems. But with them there is a complete seam.

          And what does it mean to carelessly "hang a modern kit". That was the point of my comment. To hang a modern body kit, you will have to invest 2 prices of such an outdated tank in its new condition. This kit will be bought at today's prices.

          So, in order to get a “quite worthy copy of BTT”, you need to invest in it very well. In fact, lay out for such an upgrade half / two-thirds of the price of a new modern tank (minus the total cost of the hull of the modern tank, and, if not changed by the experimental, then the engine with the transmission).
    2. Aqela 5 August 2019 17: 50 New
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      Yeah. Given that the author claims that it was done - 1 pc., This - 10 pcs., So where are the supplies for 49 pcs. come from? what Some nonsense. And how can a person with engineering skills have no friends with numbers ??? fool belay
  6. Zaurbek 5 August 2019 07: 07 New
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    The place of Ukraine is now occupied by China (for new tanks).
  7. atos_kin 5 August 2019 07: 45 New
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    In the late 90s, a search research project called “Nota” was carried out at the KKBM to search for the concept of a tank of the future and nothing more.

    For the curious: the name of the research work "Note" is taken from the combination of words "New Tank".
  8. Undecim 5 August 2019 08: 05 New
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    At one time, I had to develop prototypes of today's Ukrainian tanks, and I have a good idea of ​​what characteristics and capabilities they have.
    I am a participant in the development of the last Soviet Boxer tank, which has nothing to do with Note.
    At the end of the 90’s, the KGBM carried out search research work “Nota” to search for the concept of the tank of the future and nothing more. One of the participants in this project has already written on the Internet that they painted pictures of tanks, no one seriously worked on them, and moreover, the design of the tank and all its components and systems was not developed. This is done in any design bureau and even by amateurs, there is little sense in it. This work ended long ago with nothing, tanks create teams of specialists in various industries, and this is possible only in a strong and wealthy state, and not in a poor and crumbling Ukraine.
    Two questions.
    Does the author in his article try to refute himself?
    Or like in a song: something with my memory has become, all that was not with me - I remember?
    We open the book of the author of today's article, Y. Apukhtin, written by him in 2009, THE LATEST WRITTEN OF SOVIET TANK-BUILDERS (diary of a participant in the development of the Boxer tank), the head of the Tanks Rebel, Boxer, and Hammer.
    Development in the post-Soviet period (Note).
    The development of the 477 tank, which received the designation “Barrier” and “Note” after the collapse of the USSR in Ukraine, continued. Were made prototypes of the tank on the basis of the nodes of the chassis ed. "434" and "219". Work on the new tank was carried out until the beginning of the 2000s, together with the Russian Federation.
    A promising tank was developed with the involvement of enterprises of the entire former USSR. So the 2А73 gun and its ammunition were developed and manufactured on the territory of the Russian Federation, therefore the implementation of the project within the framework of insufficient funding for the Armed Forces in Ukraine is currently difficult without external sources, although attempts were made to create the 152 mm Kiev Kiev-A gun. A number of realized for ed. 477 and its variants of elements, including the TIUS, were introduced on the Oplot tank.
    Manufactured more than 10 samples. Created backlog for the manufacture of pre-production lot. Tanks are stored on the test base KKBM (UPI). Also, three samples are in the territory of the Russian Federation. It is likely that the demonstration of the Armata tank in the Russian Federation will resume interest in the promising KMDB tank as a developer’s country, as a variant of a joint project with foreign customers.

    The question for the author is - where is he, to put it mildly, writing a lie or, to put it simply, lying - in his book or in his article today? Or has the situation changed?
    In the article: “In the late 90’s, the KGBM carried out search research work“ Nota ”to search for the concept of the tank of the future and nothing more. One of the participants in this project already wrote on the Internet that they painted pictures of tanks, no one seriously worked them out and even more so the design of the tank and all its components and systems was not developed.".
    In the book:" Were made prototypes of the tank on the basis of the nodes of the chassis ed. "434" and "219". Work on the new tank was carried out until the beginning of the 2000s together with the Russian Federation. More than 10 samples were produced. A reserve has been created for the manufacture of a pre-production batch. Tanks are stored at the testing base of KHKBM (UPI)"
    Everyone can read the book of Mr. Apukhtin at the link (http://btvt.info/4ourarticles/bokser/bokser_1.htm).
    1. Lekov L 5 August 2019 09: 10 New
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      The author, which is typical for residents of the (former / present) independent country, very accurately feels the environment of the surrounding information space, and therefore knows what, where and when it is possible and necessary. And not that we - with our deep-seated imperial notions of conscience and truth.
      Sincerely, colleagues ..
      1. Looking for 5 August 2019 11: 41 New
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        While you’re warming your ass on the stove, talking about conscience and truth. Apukhtin was sitting in the SBU prison for that conscience and truth. And this was in his years. And not for you. blame him.
        1. Mazuta 5 August 2019 12: 50 New
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          Is this really so ?! For what?
        2. Lekov L 5 August 2019 13: 56 New
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          I didn’t have the honor of moving on to you, apparently you are still heroically toying somewhere in the dungeons .. I haven’t met there.
          Seek, truth, information, facts - you can find it will increase in your head.
          Maybe you’ll also learn how to quickly change your opinion, as the author, whom I remember, is not you, from the 80 of the last century. We met at closed conferences of the then single military-industrial complex of a great country. Worked on some topics.
          I do not know you, but I have the right to my opinion, as well as honor and respect for colleagues.
          Sorry for the Ukrainians.
          And didn’t the eyes open after the author’s release, before that, there it was a little different, read including his books.
          Farewell.
    2. dgonni 5 August 2019 10: 19 New
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      Krasachik! And I wanted to post the same thing, but in a slightly more expanded form.
      P.S. In fact, the armata did not take off for one reason. Those prototypes that were transferred to the kubinka and to Uralmash were finished by Uralmash under its own dviglo, other than T-72/90, and its hodovka. But the best practices remained in Ukraine. And there is no access to them. Therefore, the whole vine for the fact that hahly type can not do anything. This is so for general understanding.
      P.S. 2 There are 2 tanks on the KhBKM, such as a note boxer, that you can drive and shoot, and type prototypes, but the pre-production ones for which new workshops were being prepared and the workshop data had already been demolished! The tank was physically already at the exit like the 64ka and very expensive, the amount of titanium in it really went through the roof, but that was the Union. Breakthrough? Yes, a breakthrough. An ordinary conscript would not have mastered it. But he really was and production was being prepared for him. The author was silent about this.
      1. oprovergatel 5 August 2019 16: 39 New
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        Quote: dgonni
        In fact, the armata did not take off for one reason. Those prototypes that were transferred to the kubinka and to Uralmash were finished by Uralmash under its own dviglo, other than T-72/90, and its hodovka. But the best practices remained in Ukraine. And there is no access to them.


        What are you smoking there? Or maybe even this is already heavier than what ...?

        What is the armament of mother’s couch analyst “Armata didn’t take off”?

        What the fuck are the “best practices left on the cook”? Who at the beginning of the third decade of the 21st century needs rotten "developments" of sluggish ukroinsky canstructors?
      2. carstorm 11 5 August 2019 19: 58 New
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        what prototypes what dviglo what developments? you stop eating mushrooms in St. Petersburg, and even not such a dream. This Ukrainian Tipo reality has been killing me in recent years. It’s scary to read what nonsense they write. pre-production prototypes like a notaboxer is so epic))) the death star doesn’t stand there accidentally and can go shoot not?)))
    3. Yuri Apukhtin 5 August 2019 18: 54 New
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      Dear Undecim.
      You cited a text that I never wrote. In the book "The Last Jerk ..." this is not, I have the original. You will understand who wrote this and for what purpose, especially that work after the collapse of the Union was carried out with Russia. This could not even be in theory.
      Sincerely, Y. Apukhtin
      1. Undecim 5 August 2019 19: 34 New
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        Dear Yu. M. Apukhtin. There is a link under my comment. If this fragment is not from your book and I was mistaken, I apologize to you for the baseless accusations of deceiving the reader and the market.
        The foregoing applies solely to the article under discussion.
  9. CRONOS 5 August 2019 09: 06 New
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    Well, what are the tanks in Ukraine? Any industry requires gigantic investments, and there, at least with the IMF until the end of this century to pay ....
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      it is necessary to clarify before the end of what century ... but I think it will be a different country))
    2. Red_Baron 5 August 2019 12: 33 New
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      Investing on what? There, an excellent industry went from the USSR. And the tanks that they ordered were paid. Maybe you are on the site of the observers of Ukraine and not discussions of tanks?
      According to the IMF, and I think you meant them by a strange abbreviation, there is a payment schedule in a certain amount from the budget. What does production orders have to do with this?
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        1. Red_Baron 5 August 2019 16: 53 New
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          You are not healthy, your words even sound disgusting. And most of the writing is still not true, but there is no desire to delve into your dung.
      2. carstorm 11 5 August 2019 20: 08 New
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        the most immediate. the creation and production of machines is a lot of money. gigantic. Do you know when I realized that Ukrainian tanks had a full paragraph? when in my last year 72 rolled out. reached the bodies of the remains of these even machines. because there’s simply nothing else. there is no tank industry in Ukraine. there is a piece assembly and repair with modernization. can you prove the opposite with foam at the mouth; only 49 tanks were built in Tai in how many years? and this is an indicator of everything. piece and expensive. at a loss. so long.
        1. Red_Baron 5 August 2019 20: 42 New
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          there is a piece assembly and repair with modernization. you can at least prove foam with mouth foam

          And where did I prove the opposite? I wrote everywhere that the scale of production is small.
          Quote: carstorm 11
          the most immediate. the creation and production of machines is a lot of money. gigantic.

          Moreover, in the early 2000s, lines were created for the production of tanks. Do you understand? Already been created and they produced tanks supplied by order and in the army. Mostly on orders.
          http://btvt.narod.ru/4/Ukraine/ukraina_1991_2006.htm
          You can read here.
          1. carstorm 11 6 August 2019 02: 55 New
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            you probably don’t understand at all what tank production is. you can create anything. at least lines, even hangars. no main production chain. and to create it is impossible there. where are you going to do the enclosures?) small scale in Germany. you have them completely absent for the already paid order was collected at a maximum of 6 pieces per year. try to understand this. this is your maximum.
            1. Red_Baron 6 August 2019 03: 37 New
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              What are you carrying? Well, at least a little think before writing, you can not be so primitive.
              Who do we have? You, like all the like, have decided, since I pointed out to you your stupid things, then I'm from Ukraine? Or if I do not run faster to litter it like your gang, then this is my country? No, it’s just that I didn’t go crazy and didn’t feel the same Ukrainianophobia as you.
              I even gave you a link where it is written in black and white.
              "However, at that time, there was no closed cycle for the production of armored vehicles in Ukraine, the wounded leadership of the State Academic Bolshoi Theater of the Russian Federation refused to assist (though, as a result of some intergovernmental agreements and personnel changes, some assistance was provided).


              Therefore, it was decided to establish a closed-cycle production of armored vehicles, this primarily included:

              production of tank guns and ammunition for them (produced and developed in Russia - NIMI, NIITM, plant number XXUMX, KBP, etc.)
              production of fire control systems - sighting systems (Zverev Plant)
              production of armored vehicles protection means dynamic protection complexes (DZ), active protection complexes (KAZ), optic-electronic countermeasure complexes (CEP), etc., were developed in Russia (Steel Research Institute, KBP, NIITM, etc.).
              To create a closed cycle of production, Ukrainian tank builders were forced to go on to create the entire chain of products, which will be discussed in more detail below: "
              And then it is written in detail what was done as and so on. Do you even know how to read? Or has it become too complicated?
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  11. silberwolf88 5 August 2019 09: 28 New
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    now they can produce yellow and blue ... then it is possible in the colors of the European Union)) ... there is a prospect of tank building ... the choice of paints (especially Finnish after visa-free travel ...) is the widest ...
  12. tank64rus 5 August 2019 09: 39 New
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    There is no state, no science, no industry, no production, no development, no new tanks. The United States does not need this, so you can put an end to the tanks of Ukraine. Either Kharkov will be in Russia and the plant will revive or the end.
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      You talk too primitively. Almost everything you listed is there. Not on the scale that it could be yes. And about the United States is nonsense. They just need Ukraine to produce and maintain a source of tension.
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        no! you are still trying to prove that you can while denying the obvious things. there can be no production of tanks on a small scale. because at the output you get an exorbitant cost. There is no chain in which all subcontractors produce their products and the machine is assembled at the factory. how many tank plants in Russia? in fact one. see annual sales reports in numbers. all orders that they fulfill. so this is not called on the scale that could be. and they do in a month as much as in Ukraine over the years.
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          You can’t calm down. I gave you a link where the production chains are described and even who and on what scale took part. So now you are just lying.
          You write me your thoughts now, why do I need them? I brought you an article, what do you rely on? On your instinct? Sorry, but this is not an argument for me.
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          there is a piece assembly and repair with modernization.

          Quote: carstorm 11
          there cannot be tank production on a small scale.

          This is schizophrenia. When in different posts you write the exact opposite.
          I don’t know what scale and by what rules can be considered those or not those, but if you do not want to refer to something specific, then do not write your thoughts. Perhaps your planet has its own coordinate system.
  13. Frieda 5 August 2019 10: 00 New
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    There was no documentation for the Reflex missile in Ukraine, the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau made an attempt to develop such a missile, but they were engaged in very large missiles and could not develop such a "small" one. This work was entrusted to the Kiev design bureau Luch, which had previously taken part in the development of aircraft missiles. Having already had the documentation and production of the Reflex rocket laser guidance channel, they have been trying to repeat this rocket for more than ten years and as a result have developed and launched the Combat rocket, which in its characteristics corresponds to the Reflex rocket. This rocket became the prototypes of a whole family of rockets produced in Ukraine for various types of military equipment.

    A small correction: - the Kombat rocket is a Nudelman Cobra with a "screwed" laser channel from the Reflex, that is, their rocket is nothing more than a compilation of Russian samples. hi
  14. Bodipancher 5 August 2019 10: 10 New
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    Bulat was originally in the Donbass, but then they were removed and replaced with the old T-64. The chassis of the 64-ki stupidly did not pull everything that they hung there, the tank turned out to be overweight and extremely unreliable. Ukrainian tank building exists as long as there are remnants of 64 platforms in warehouses. Then everything. In a full cycle, tanks in Ukraine were never produced during independence, with the collapse of cooperation there is nothing to replace Russian components with. Tank construction will leave after the air and rocket building
    1. Red_Baron 5 August 2019 12: 59 New
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      And what can they not produce from the t-64 except the guns and parts of the electronics? They don’t have to do big series. And for a few pieces a year, it’s enough that you can withdraw from donors or buy from Belarusians.
      1. Bodipancher 5 August 2019 15: 18 New
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        Cannon and tank armor are not made in Ukraine. I’m saying that the old corps will end; tank building will end. Mastering the serial production of IMHO is unrealistic in Ukraine due to piece orders. Based on the title of the article - the present is the restoration and alteration of the existing T-64s, there is no future. Only memories of the glorious past of Ukrainian tank building will remain.
        1. Red_Baron 5 August 2019 15: 29 New
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          "Thus, the production of guns was established, previously produced only in Russia (Perm), guns are assembled at the Kharkov plant, barrels come from Sumy. The Ukrainian gun KBA3 is a close equivalent to the Soviet gun 2A46M-1"
          As I read, they have less survivability, but the fact of production is there. I don’t know how now. Even at VO there were articles about this. Just because she's worse - yes.
          "The armor of the Oplot tank is ensured by a modern welded-rolled tower made using advanced technology and high-quality materials. High-performance cellular filler is placed in the cavities of the tower. The roof of the tower is fully stamped, which increased its rigidity, technology and stable quality are ensured in mass production."
          I took it with btvt I do not know how relevant it is now.
  15. Personalrec 5 August 2019 10: 59 New
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    The BM Oplot tanks were delivered to Thailand (if the T-84 Oplot-M is different), and not the T-84U Oplot. These are 2 different tanks. "Expert" confusing 2 these machines is the same expert as a ballerina from me. This is how to mix up, for example, T-72B3 and T-90. So the article is, to put it mildly, low-grade and has a very specific purpose. More fun about the director of the tank factory, who knows nothing about the tanks x-ka and does not solve anything.
  16. Vadim237 5 August 2019 11: 00 New
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    Here is the future of Ukrainian tanks
    to be continued.
  17. Forest 5 August 2019 12: 13 New
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    And what about the tank that comes from the garbage cans?
  18. pafegosoff 5 August 2019 12: 33 New
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    "... and this is possible only in a strong and wealthy state, and not in a poor and crumbling Ukraine."
    Since I had to live and work a little in Kharkov and Lozova, and not just before: to study in Ukraine, at the Kirovograd School (I was lucky with the crew: the FAC cavalier of the Order of Lenin - Bobylev, the co-pilot - the legendary later - Olga Gracheva).
    Well, then what happened to Malyshev? It seems to be a regime enterprise. And they dragged ... And this is under Brezhnev!
    The last time in 1994 (we were millionaires) I was in Kharkov. From the factories they dragged everything that was needed in the household and for sale.
    And what has improved in 25 years?
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    secondly, Ukraine does not need such sophisticated tanks with high performance and cost in military operations in the Donbass, and therefore they are not in demand.

    Most local conflicts are city control. That is, it is necessary to fight in the old and keep it in service? And new and expensive, only for parades ?!
  20. beeper 5 August 2019 15: 17 New
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    Good Article, realistic! good Honestly, in the 90s (when the "Pakistani renaissance" happened, and my plant fell down) I had a persistent desire to work in the legendary Morozov HCBTM and my own "supervaluable ideas" smile there were the same concept of "transparent armor" since the late 70s and early 80s did not bother me ... (by the way, the concept of a "capsule" tank with a deserted turret-gun, implemented in "Armata", did not support and do not support- in terms of crew safety, I adhere to the idea of ​​comprehensive improvement of working conditions, especially visibility of the terrain and search for targets, and the development of methods and built-in structures, emergency, most protected, not only armor, evacuation of surviving crew members from a damaged vehicle, and not their "conservation under lid "!).
    But, on reflection, I was able to cope with this obsession — I have already seen a tendency of venal amerocholism of ukravlasties, their “progressive” anti-people and more and more bold parcels.
    I decided then that I should not, for any money, help such a “clearly-Russophobic,“ peppy cow ”help get“ sharp horns ”and, alas, I was right! request
  21. Karaul14 5 August 2019 16: 40 New
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    The author started seemingly constructively and reasonably (and even with a large number of errors and inaccuracies), and ended with "ruin, impossible", this article does not pretend to be objective.
  22. TermNachTer 5 August 2019 19: 27 New
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    To the above, we can add that in Ukraine directors and general designers are appointed not those who know and can, but those who are “our kid”. Last example, gene. the designer of Antonov, Kiva, left for permanent residence in Azerbaijan. Regarding the Bulat tanks, they received a strictly negative assessment from the crews - the extra 3,5 tons of weight significantly worsened the performance of the machine. Existing tankers prefer the T - 64B
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    They made a miracle of Tavria from the Cossacks. They are more likely to make an armored car for Lenin and he will fire his own machine gun. All that they did was made in the USSR.
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    One year, two or three years ago, I came across pictures from a Kharkov factory, after viewing which it became completely clear to me the absence of any tank industry in Ukraine as such. Extremely depressing sight. In addition, the state of the said plant was confirmed by an eyewitness, and if one briefly quotes his impressions, one can keep within three words: "the plant is no more." And indirectly, this confirms with a terrible creak the fulfilled Pakistani contract, and the completely failed Tailada contract for the supply of not even tanks, but armored personnel carriers, which were not accepted by the customer in the amount of 49 pieces (100% of the order) and returned to the manufacturer.
  25. solovyov-igor 5 August 2019 22: 20 New
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    For many decades, Ukraine will do what the United States orders. Ukraine is now a colony of the United States seriously and for a long time. Americans will return every cent spent on the Maidan with interest!
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      Strange things you write, WILL DO WHAT AMERICA SAY AND So what? And Germany does it both Poland and the Baltic countries. What Russia will say Syria and North Korea are doing. If you do what America says, you get South Korea. Russia's advice is more suitable for the North :-) You need to listen to the rich and successful, and not those who violate the contract and kill neighbors.
  26. wave 5 August 2019 22: 23 New
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    Another opus from the series- "Ukraine Lost Without Russia" Ten years has been crying-They will freeze without our gas.
    Now a new feature, they have bad tanks. Well, of course, the bad ones, so solemnly as “Armata” on Red Square do not stall.
  27. cat Rusich 5 August 2019 23: 45 New
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    The future of the Ukrainian tank industry (KHKBM) - Rostik fellow (who does not know this ,, design genius ,, remember ,, cardboard models of tanks ,,)
  28. isker 6 August 2019 06: 28 New
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    whole article ... about nothing!
    you still write about the prospects of conquering space, it will be the same!
    what's the point of arguing about what is no longer and will not be ?!
    just a primer: tank guns (in the sense - a muzzle) - no, there wasn’t and never will be, and a tank without a gun is, at a minimum, not a tank!
    calculation is over!
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