Mystery stories: Tamerlane

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The full name of the outstanding commander, the great conqueror of antiquity, the protagonist of a documentary film, Timur ibn Taragay Barlas. To many, he is known as Tamerlane or Temir Aksak - Iron Khromets. AT history Mongolian people, he entered the title of the Great Emir of the Timurid Empire.

Mystery stories: Tamerlane




He is believed by historians to succeed in creating a great empire where order reigned, creativity flourished and fair laws acted. This great Mongol, the second after Genghis Khan, played a significant role in the history of Central Asia, having a decisive influence on its formation and appearance.

In an atmosphere of constant internecine wars, aggravated by the actions of countless predatory gangs, Tamerlane managed to find his true vocation. He created an army, superior in martial qualities and cruelty to all that existed at that time.

Legends were made of his cruelty, the destinies of East and West, Byzantium, Russia depended on his will. Until now, he is called the great conqueror and shaker of the Universe, then a man-monster and a messenger of hell. However, the scale of his personality does not fit into any of these ordinary clichés.

Who is Tamerlane? Where did he come from? How did this great conqueror go to success? Why was his main instrument of intimidation cruelty? What distinguished Tamerlan from Genghis Khan? Answers to these questions can be found in the film:

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    1. +3
      4 August 2019 06: 21
      Well, right now, the Uzbeks will howl for their idol. By his actions, he undoubtedly deserved the appreciation of his contemporaries and descendants, but here's the rest ...!
      After his death, "Empire" collapsed into warring estates, like Russia centuries earlier. Only Russia was able to consolidate around the Moscow principality and moved forward, and the domains of Tamerlane's "Empire" remained stuck in the Middle Ages.
      1. 0
        4 August 2019 07: 06
        there are many legends, Kyrgyzstan is a large mound with a stone embankment, known as “San Tash” (the name translates as “counting stones”).
        They say that one of the legends about Tamerlane was formed here: setting off for the next campaign, the commander ordered each of the soldiers to take a stone with him, and then put it in a pile. Returning from the expedition, Tamerlan ordered each of the soldiers to pick up a stone from the pile. The remaining pile became a monument to the fallen soldiers. The number of stones in the mound indicates the huge number of deaths in the conquests. At the same time, local residents claim that all the dwellings of the surrounding villages were built using stones from this mound.
    2. -9
      4 August 2019 07: 47
      -Yes, legends, legends, legends ...

      -There .., a handsome man sits on a horse ...- Ah, what a monument ...
      -And when you look at the face of Tamerlane, made according to his skull, using the method of anthropological reconstruction, then .., then .., then you see an ordinary, unremarkable ...- Uzbek, who is just right to trade raisins on the market ... -Here and all the "greatness". - such an ordinary appearance ... - there are two big differences ...
      -Probably the chroniclers also exalted with their laudatory odes a great fiction about a lame, cruel satrap, who most likely suffered from a complex of his own inferiority in life ... and obvious mental sadistic deviations ... -And try the chroniclers to write "not laudatory" ... they would be skinned from the living ... - And about his face of this "great Tamerlane" ... I will just keep silent ... - Any "Lombroso" just nervously smokes on the sidelines ... - And how is this "Tamerlane" chroniclers still not sung as an "irresistible macho" of unprecedented beauty ... - Hahah ...
      1. +3
        4 August 2019 11: 55
        -And when you look at the face of Tamerlane, made according to his skull, using the method of anthropological reconstruction, then .., then .., then you see an ordinary, unremarkable ...- Uzbek, who is just right to trade raisins on the market ... -Here and all the "greatness". - such an ordinary appearance ... - there are two big differences ...

        Woman, you will never understand the masculine essence .....
        Have you ever had to subjugate people to yourself? Not by position, not by rank, not by manipulation, but purely by animal nature, as in the criminal world?
        A man subjugated to his will the sex of the world for a reason, there was a force in man (not physical), and here half, he could not even control the husband / wife in the family.
        But to judge all the best .....
      2. -1
        4 August 2019 18: 04
        A quarter of Uzbeks R1a (Y-chromosome for men), like Russians (Slavs), shared common ancestors even before ne - traces of the migration of peoples, this is when the Arians moved to India ... which is why DNA genealogy is interesting, and the race is transmitted by mother (X-chromosome), I wonder who Tamerlane’s mother is, the blond in the film - when a boy is born, he inherits the Y-chromosome from his father, and from the mother the X-chromosome, the girl from the parents two X-chromosomes (the race is transmitted by mamma - X), so the Türks (both Mongoloid and Caucasoid have a common pair (in mutations) of the time Jelenia R1a from north to south), as well as Russian (Slavic) have a common ancestor BC ... By the way King Tut was of R1b (ie elite was not Semitic)
        The main haplogroups of the Russians R1a and the Balts N1c (L550) and the descendants of Rurik were of them, so the Grozny’s ancestry doesn’t lie when he says that Rurik came from Prussians, and he called the Swedes the vassals of his ancestor, Yaroslav the Wise ...
      3. -1
        4 August 2019 19: 27
        Maybe this skull is from some Uzbek from the "come in large numbers" ... to the grave of Tamerlane, and Tamarlan himself is a yok. No. They hid it.

        laughing

        I’m not sure that any of the words used above is not obscene in VO.
    3. +2
      4 August 2019 08: 09
      "Timur was the greatest commander, but an absolute savage."
      Jawaharlal Nehru
      1. +1
        4 August 2019 10: 40
        He also compared the English with the locusts, if I am not mistaken ...
        1. +1
          4 August 2019 18: 33
          Do not be mistaken, it was like that. And Nehru was absolutely right.
      2. 0
        6 August 2019 10: 31
        Quote: knn54
        Timur was the greatest commander, but an absolute savage

        laughing Of course the savage, but who else but the savage of the Indians can put in a pose?
    4. 0
      4 August 2019 09: 46
      Emir Timur defeats the Golden Horde and its warriors led by Tokhtamysh. The Walters Art Museum
      During the battle, Timur pressed the Horde to the Volga and defeated. In honor of this grandiose battle on the river. Kondurcha Samara enthusiasts conduct a festival reconstruction. There the holiday atmosphere is very interesting and beautiful in general. But now, and then it was just a grandiose bloody massacre ... like that
      1. -2
        4 August 2019 10: 23
        The Battle of Molod 1572 is much more interesting. (Ivan the Terrible after the oprichnina, and then Simeon Bekbulatovich - used to be revered by the Byzantine Caesars, and then the descendants of Genghis Khan, who were formerly Nestorians)))) when only the memories of the Crimean Khan's superior forces remained, and after that the raids on the Russian state stopped for a generation ... The steppe is not mother Russia for you, completely different conditions of war and way of life (skills), including the conditions for the survival of the civilian population ... But Mamai is an insignificant figure, an object of manipulation by the Genoese (gobble up each other - SDD)
    5. -2
      4 August 2019 10: 07
      The authors of the film made a number of conceptual mistakes, they follow the "Jesuit concept" of history - a continuous "Karamzin" - that cannot be explained, then conjecture ... For example, the Horde of Genghis Khan was primarily Christian, Nestorian (Uighurs), and the Mongols speculation (moaly - Batu, then the Mughals). Namely, the explanation from Karamzin himself (the fact of Genghis Khan's war with the Muslim Turks of Central Asia):
      "... the new Turkish Dynasty of the Kharaz or Khiva Monarchs, who took possession of most of Persia and Bukharia, exalted. At this time, Mahomet II reigned there, proudly calling himself the second Alexander the Great: Genghis Khan had respect for him, sought his friendship, wanted to conclude with him an alliance beneficial to both: but Mohammed ordered to kill the Mughal ambassadors ...
      Then Genghis Khan resorted to the judgment of Heaven and his sword; three nights he prayed on the mountain and solemnly announced that God in a dream promised him victory through the lips of the Bishop of Christianity, who lives in the land of the Igurs. WITHThis circumstance, invented to encourage the superstitious, was very happy for the Christians: for since then they have enjoyed the special favor of Khan of Mughal. "(notice the output)
      Medieval Russia was a serious opponent, plus local conditions, and under Batu, it consolidated, since he supported Yaroslav Vsevolodovich in feuds and his offspring in the future - and there was no yoke invented after ... Yaroslav Vsevolodovich was poisoned by the mother of the future khan in Karakoram ( Baty’s ally, who studied the balance of power), since Baty had not been to the kurultai for more than three years, fearing for his life, after that all the candidates from the Rurikovich pro-Western party, which was influenced by the Catholic Church, were eliminated c, which could challenge the law of the offspring of Yaroslav (in particular, Mikhail Vsevolodovich from Chermnyh). Then the first feud between Chingizids (Batu and Guyuk, who unexpectedly died or was poisoned), which the Catholics longed for, but the expansion to the West stopped ...
      Objective circumstances can also be found about the canceled campaign against Russia by Tamerlane. Namely, the impossibility of waging war with large equestrian formations (military-economic expediency), Batu's campaign to Russia was carried out mainly by "infantry" and so on until the Napoleonic invasion, when there was a large loss of horses in his army ... that is, the existing military order did not give Tamerlane's advantages could have ended with a "Pyrrhic victory", maybe that's why a dream, plus Tamerlane is a blonde from the film, and Genghis Khan is red, and the race is transmitted by the "mother" of the X chromosome, and from the folder he got the Y chromosome)))
      1. 0
        5 August 2019 08: 51
        "About the canceled Tamerlane campaign against Russia, one can find objective circumstances. Namely, the impossibility of waging a war with large cavalry units"
        What are you talking about ????? Timur did not go to war to Russia but for a raid.
        He did not need siege weapons for this. In Russia at that time there were no stone walls)))))))))))
        burn the city like two fingers))))))
        1. -2
          5 August 2019 19: 09
          The level of your education is understandable (below the plinth), do not write nonsense, but find out what vices (siege weapons) are, or you are all like your two fingers ...
          1. 0
            6 August 2019 11: 04
            Considering how "you" behave, someone has education and someone has a culture of how many fingers.
            Until a certain time, all and sundry fought Russia. it is a fact. and the fact that it was easy to tear because the Russian lands could not agree among themselves.
            1. 0
              6 August 2019 22: 32
              You are like a joke with eyes on the priest, everyone is tearing ...
              1. 0
                12 August 2019 15: 14
                Oh well. You know better. we are ignorant, savages and "black"
    6. +1
      4 August 2019 10: 13
      Emir Timur Ibn Taragai Barlas was an enemy and conqueror for Russia and Russians. And it’s stupid to expect from the enemies something good about him. In Soviet times, the school taught only negativity about Emir Timur. So he left a bad mark in Russia? What does history have to do with it? And the winners write the story. Well, for us, Uzbeks, he still remains a great ruler and commander. And sarcasm is not appropriate here andrewkor.
      1. -3
        4 August 2019 10: 35
        Did the Jesuit Catholics whisper to you about the enemy? ;) "No crosses are put on mass graves ..."
      2. 0
        4 August 2019 12: 11
        Tamerlane's policy led to the termination of the Silk Road. The Europeans boarded ships and began to reach India and China by sea. Uzbekistan very quickly found itself on the outskirts of civilization.
        1. 0
          4 August 2019 13: 51
          Ilya, Europe then bent from stench and sewage - there was a backwater (savages from a viper), they even adopted the sewers much later from the Poles;) Climate is changing, resettlement of peoples - there is flowering, there is extinction - but civilization (culture, archetype of the people if you want) never restrained on robberies, because in the end there is no one to rob and internal disassembly begins ...
      3. -1
        4 August 2019 18: 40
        Quote: Ali Kokand
        Well, for us, Uzbeks, he still remains a great ruler and commander. And sarcasm is not appropriate here andrewkor.

        And for us Russians, great rulers and commanders are people who defended their homeland, and not conquered foreign countries. Catch the difference?
        1. 0
          4 August 2019 18: 58
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Quote: Ali Kokand
          Well, for us, Uzbeks, he still remains a great ruler and commander. And sarcasm is not appropriate here andrewkor.

          And for us Russians, great rulers and commanders are people who defended their homeland, and not conquered foreign countries. Catch the difference?

          Suvorov is a great commander?
          1. 0
            4 August 2019 19: 33
            Quote: Town Hall
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Quote: Ali Kokand
            Well, for us, Uzbeks, he still remains a great ruler and commander. And sarcasm is not appropriate here andrewkor.

            And for us Russians, great rulers and commanders are people who defended their homeland, and not conquered foreign countries. Catch the difference?

            Suvorov is a great commander?

            Of course! And which country did he conquer? In which country did he establish Russian orders? Did he kill purposefully civilians? Destroying cities?
            1. -1
              4 August 2019 19: 50
              In Poland. But I'm not talking about that. How did he repel foreign invasions? And Catherine the Great?

              And for us Russians, great rulers and commanders are people who defended their homeland, and not conquered foreign countries. Catch the difference?
              1. +1
                4 August 2019 20: 00
                Quote: Town Hall
                And Poland. But I'm not talking about that. How did he repel foreign invasions? And Catherine the Great?

                Do you need to give a lecture on the political situation since the times of Catherine and Suvorov in Europe?
                Or maybe you bother to study the causes, goals and consequences of the Suvorov campaigns?
                1. -1
                  5 August 2019 00: 37
                  Read yourself lectures before writing pompously sloppy slogans ... and Suvorov, yes ... he artificially heard Russian lands in the Swiss Alps ... so to say, at distant approaches
                  1. -1
                    5 August 2019 07: 30
                    Quote: Town Hall
                    Read yourself lectures before writing pompously sloppy slogans ... and Suvorov, yes ... he artificially heard Russian lands in the Swiss Alps ... so to say, at distant approaches

                    Once again, "pompously", I recommend to study the question - as a result of what and for what purpose Suvorov conducted an "alpine campaign", what is the result of this campaign.
                2. +1
                  6 August 2019 10: 54
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Or maybe you bother to study the causes, goals and consequences of the Suvorov campaigns?

                  laughing Well, Krasnoyarsk, not a ride? ETOGES do not talk slogans wink
                  1. 0
                    6 August 2019 12: 48
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Well, Krasnoyarsk, not a ride? ETOGES do not talk slogans

                    I don’t know what you didn’t get there, but I know for sure one thing - both you and your brother by training the Town Halls are not capable of self-education. I'm powerless here.
                    1. +1
                      6 August 2019 13: 18
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      I'm powerless here

                      Yes, you are always powerless before the facts!
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      You and your fellow-educated Town Hall are not capable of self-education

                      Have you tried to read the books yourself?
                      1. 0
                        6 August 2019 13: 51
                        Quote: Serg65

                        Yes, you are always powerless before the facts!

                        Have you brought at least one fact?
                        Oh yes, they did. The fact of his ignorance of the causes and goals of the alpine campaign of Suvorov.
                        1. 0
                          6 August 2019 14: 37
                          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                          The fact of their ignorance of the causes and goals

                          You were asked which Russian city, either a Russian village, or Russian territory was defended by A.V. Suvorov, you rushed into the flood and slogans!
                          The reasons and goals were one, the expansion of living space for Russia!
                        2. -1
                          6 August 2019 17: 57
                          Quote: Serg65

                          You were asked which Russian city, either a Russian village, or Russian territory was defended by A.V. Suvorov, you rushed into the flood and slogans!
                          The reasons and goals were one, the expansion of living space for Russia!

                          Didn’t you have been taught that the best way to defend is an attack, i.e. preventing enemy attacks?
                          You again - blah, blah, blah. And to answer the question - which country was Suvorov occupied, with the destruction of the civilian population, the establishment of Russian orders and other delights of the occupation.
    7. +4
      4 August 2019 10: 27
      Our common misfortune is that we judge the people of those centuries by the concepts, standards, laws of our time. But if We look at ourselves in the mirror, at the actions of modern people, and most importantly we can soberly evaluate them, we will understand that a few moments of history separate us from Attila, Genghis Khan, Timur Ivan the Terrible, our mentality can roll back at any moment and the whole our polished civilization will turn out to be an empty phrase, and the actions of our ancestors as a children's game, in comparison with what we will do here and now. Adolf Hitler witnesses this ...
      1. -2
        4 August 2019 13: 57
        "and I will take great vengeance on them with fierce punishments; and they will know that I am the Lord when I take My vengeance on them." (a little bit of pathos)))) there was also a lack of Jehovah's Witnesses after Hitler)))))))
        1. +2
          4 August 2019 14: 45
          Quote: Rostislav White
          "and I will take great vengeance on them with fierce punishments; and they will know that I am the Lord when I take My vengeance on them." (a little bit of pathos)))) there was also a lack of Jehovah's Witnesses after Hitler)))))))

          The Bible, like any ancient book, is useful to read, but one must be able to draw the right conclusions. PS All human laws are based on the 10 commandments. Now think; whether people became more perfect after they forgot about them already in the 21st century.
          1. +1
            4 August 2019 17: 03
            there are many sectarians with false prophets, and Jehovah's Witnesses are no exception (they are always in the development of special services) ...
            the words of sv. Apostle Paul: Oh, the abyss of wealth and wisdom and knowledge of God! How incomprehensible are His destinies and His paths are unexplored! (Rom. 11:33) - in the common people, the ways of the Lord are not confessable
          2. 0
            4 August 2019 18: 30
            In my opinion, they forgot about it much earlier. request
    8. +1
      4 August 2019 10: 30
      Wonderful movie, wonderful and competent authors! Was in those parts, on the ruins of the observatory of Ulukbek, the tomb of the Timurids ....
    9. 0
      4 August 2019 13: 37
      Why so much abuse on a long-dead person? For Russia, though he indirectly did so much that he is on a par with the creators of the Russian state
      If not Timur, our capital would not be in Moscow, but opposite Volgograd, and we would speak a mixture of Russian-Turkic
      1. 0
        4 August 2019 14: 04
        If yes, if mushrooms (lips) had grown in your mouth ... Svyatoslav would have been more fortunate, then the capital (table) could have been in Pereyaslavtsy Bulgarian on the Danube)))
        1. +1
          4 August 2019 18: 37
          Who knows about Timur, and who knows about Svyatoslav ... Figures of different sizes. And if. Yes, if yes, more fortunate ... What was there about mushrooms, a mouth and a garden? smile
          1. +1
            4 August 2019 20: 07
            everything to the point of banality is just like "Jason and the Dragon's Teeth" - this is a detective story based on a "euhemerically" famously twisted plot)))
    10. -5
      4 August 2019 15: 00
      What is the point of writing something about Tamerlane? Who cares - let him read the ancient history! Why not talk about contemporaries who have influenced modern history and the life of the country?

      Today is Barack Obama's birthday.
      Personality is not unambiguous, but has influenced life in the country. Many may not agree, but it seems to me that under Obama - life was easier. Yes, he dirty in the hallways, elevators and gateways, but he did not differ at all from the St. Petersburg punks, for example! But sanctions under Obama — there were fewer, better lives, enough money under Obama — did not beat the Russians in Moscow.
      Happy Birthday to Barack Hussein Obama II!

      1. +1
        4 August 2019 17: 17
        Professional politicians have never done anything good, Maksimka (Obamka) is no exception, the States at sunset are all in debt, but to me that there are sanctions, that there are no such things as Fioletovo, this is a problem for the “parading” ones ... so it's better congratulate on the Day of the Railwayman))))
      2. +3
        4 August 2019 18: 48
        What is the point of writing something about Tamerlane? Who cares - let him read the ancient history!


        If you do not know, then on this site people are just reading about ancient history, and not only about ancient history, and not only about history.

        sanctions under Obama - there were fewer, better lives, enough money under Obama - did not beat the Russians in Moscow.


        Thank you, well, I did not know before your revelations that at that time Barack Obama was our president. What district did you go through? I’m somehow not in the village here.

        And what, only Russians were bludgeoned in Moscow, but how was it distinguished from, say, the Tatars? Has a special scanner appeared to determine nationality? Yes, science has gone a long way ...

        Happy Railwayman Day, Borya, and transfer the arrows to a different path, otherwise you will come straight to the finale. I mean the ban. hi
    11. 0
      11 August 2019 16: 38
      In general, guys, the topic is this: Tamerlane is not any Mongol. And he never was. The Great Mogul is not a "Mongol" at all. Tamerlane's features were not Mongolian at all. The Mongols were just lucky: the distortions of history gave them a Great commander and conqueror, just like that. Who Tamerlane was by nationality in fact - I will keep silent, so as not to be accused of great ..... m chauvinism. Those interested can find all the information in the history of Nosovsky-Fomenko.

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