Submarine hunters. The oldest aircraft of the Russian Navy will get a second life

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The Russian fleet is upgrading the remaining Be-12 “Seagull” flying boats. This aircraft is considered the oldest among all aircraft in service with the Russian Navy. The amphibian, created in Taganrog in the famous Beriev Design Bureau, first flew into the sky in the 1960 year, and the latest production copy of the Be-12 was released in the 1973 year. After upgrading and installing new equipment, the Seagull will turn into an effective submarine hunter.





Over the years, the mass production in Taganrog managed to assemble the 143 amphibious aircraft Be-12. At the time of the start of production, the Soviet "Seagull" was the largest mass-produced flying boat in the world. From the very beginning of its service, the main task of the Be-12 aircraft was the search for enemy submarines and the fight against them. In addition to the anti-submarine, fire and search and rescue versions of the Seagull were also produced. At the same time, part of the amphibious aircraft was converted into the Be-12SK version (designation of the theme “Scalp”), such aircraft could carry onboard the submarine nuclear charge 5ФХNUMX, which is an unguided parachute bomb that could reach any enemy submarine at a depth of 48 meters .

Modernization of amphibious aircraft Be-12


The fact that the Be-12 amphibious aircraft remaining in service is waiting for modernization, it became known in January 2018, when the first reports appeared about the commencement of work on the tactical-technical task necessary for the start of R & D to update the onboard equipment of flying boats. At the same time, it was reported that all the Be-12 will be radically updated and will receive three modern complexes for obtaining intelligence information about enemy submarines: radar, sonar and magnetically sensitive (detection of submarines by the ship’s magnetic field). It was also reported that the arsenal of depth charges and anti-submarine torpedoes used by amphibian aircraft would be expanded.

After modernization, updated Be-12 aircraft will not only be able to hunt, but also for a long time to monitor enemy submarines. In addition to the new sonar system, radar stations, sensors and a magnetic anomaly detector, it is possible that a modern Chaika will appear on board aviation sighting and navigation complex "Hephaestus". According to Izvestia journalists, it is planned to equip the upgraded versions of long-range Tu-142 anti-submarine aircraft with such a complex. In general, at present, Russian anti-submarine naval aviation is going through a modernization path: the IL-38 is being upgraded to the version of IL-38N, Tu-142 to version Tu-142M3M. The modernization of the remaining Be-12 “Chaika” flying boats, for which there is also a niche, also fits into this concept, especially given the fact that the Russian fleet does not receive new amphibious aircraft at all. Today, the Be-12 is the only remaining representative of this class of naval aviation.



According to Admiral Valentin Selivanov, the former chief of the Navy's General Staff, equipment upgrades on board the Be-12 amphibious aircraft will provide this naval veteran fleet second life. At the same time, the admiral believes that in addition to new airborne equipment and means for detecting submarines, the aircraft will also need new aircraft engines. In an interview with Izvestia, the admiral said that such a modernization of veteran aircraft is justified, since aircraft are much more efficient and faster to search for enemy submarines than ships. In just 2-3 hours of flight, a flying boat can explore half of the Black or Baltic Seas, while anti-submarine ships would need two to three days to do this. According to the admiral, based on the flight range of the Chaika amphibian aircraft, they could be used most effectively in the waters of the Black, Baltic, Barents and Sea of ​​Japan. Based on the tactical capabilities of the aircraft and its locations, it can be assumed that the main task of the Be-12 will be to search for modern diesel-electric boats of a potential enemy, while Tu-142 aircraft will be better able to search for nuclear submarines.

The capabilities of the veteran aircraft Be-12 "Seagull"


Developed in the second half of the 1950, the aircraft does not just remain in service in the 2019 year. Over the years of operation, the amphibious aircraft Be-12 proved to be unpretentious, reliable and easy to operate, which was equally used in the northern and southern seas. Back in 1960-ies, this aircraft was based in Egypt, where, together with the 5-th squadron of the ships of the Soviet Navy, was engaged in patrolling the Mediterranean Sea. So the plane can be used not only in the border seas. In theory, the Be-12 will again be able to return to the Mediterranean Sea in the future, but the aircraft will be based in the Syrian port of Tartus, where a permanent Russian naval base is being created.

Be-12 is a classic high-wing, received the wing of the type "Seagull", which, apparently, gave the name of the aircraft. Such a wing has a characteristic kink, familiar to many more from the pre-war fighter, the I-153 semi-glider or the no less famous German Ju-87 dive bomber. At the same time, the Be-12 is currently one of the relatively late representatives of airplanes with a “dragon wing”. The designers stopped on this form of the wing from practical considerations in order to remove turboprop engines from the water surface as high as possible and prevent their flooding with water. This is especially important for an amphibian that lands and takes off from the water.



The body of the aircraft, especially in its lower part, is very similar to the ship's contours. The bottom of the flying boat Be-12 has a keel. This makes it easier for the aircraft to take off and land from the sea, and also provides a certain level of seaworthiness, which is also facilitated by the fact that the 8 of the aircraft’s 10 compartments are waterproof. In extraordinary circumstances, it is allowed to operate the “Seagull” at sea state around 3 points, this corresponds to a wave height in the range from 0,75 to 1,25 meters. At the same time, the aircraft can also be operated from conventional ground airfields, as it is equipped with a three-bearing retractable landing gear.

The power plant of the Be-12 flying boat is represented by two AI-20D turboprop engines with HP 5180 power. each. Their capacity is enough to accelerate a flying boat with a take-off weight of 36 tons to a speed of 550 km / h. At the same time, the cruising patrol speed is significantly lower and is approximately 320 km / h. The maximum range of the Be-12 is 4000 km, but the tactical range is limited to the 600-650 km distance, provided that the aircraft is in the specified patrol area for about three hours.

Armament amphibious aircraft Be-12 "Seagull"


The Be-12SK upgrade option, which provides for the use of the 5F48 “Scalp” nuclear munition, was still somewhat exotic. Such an aviation nuclear anti-submarine bomb ensured the destruction of enemy submarines at depths up to 500 meters and could be used for strikes against surface and ground targets in air and contact types of explosion. At the same time, the main armament of the Be-12 amphibious aircraft was much more traditional depth charges and anti-submarine torpedoes.



The maximum combat load of the flying boat Be-12 is 3000 kg, the normal combat load is 1500 kg. The aircraft has a 4 suspension unit, as well as an internal weapons bay. To fight against enemy submarines, the crew of the “Seagull” could use anti-submarine bombs PLUB-50 and PLUB-250-120. At the same time, small hopes were initially placed on such bombs. Anti-submarine torpedoes АТ-1 (ПЛАТ-1), its modernized version АТ-1М and АТ-2 were much more promising means of destruction. These two-plane self-guided acoustic electric torpedoes were much more formidable. weaponsthan ordinary bombs.

In addition to anti-submarine bombs and torpedoes, the plane carried three main types of passive, non-directional buoys: RGB-N (Willow), RGB-NM (Chinara) and RSL-NM-1 (Jeton). The listed radiohydroacoustic buoys for the amphibious aircraft Be-12 were the main source of information about the underwater situation. To reduce the rate of descent when dumping, buoys were equipped with parachute systems of various types.
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  1. +14
    2 August 2019 05: 20
    According to Vicki, the Be-12 is armed with 6 pieces.
    AI-20 - Zaporizhzhya, i.e. there are no new ones and never will be. Perhaps there are a number of engines in the mobile reserve.
    The mention of an atomic depth charge with recommendations on the use of aircraft in the Black and Baltic Seas is from the category of "dreams" of Ukrainian admirals, and perhaps it will pull on Pastor Turchinov himself.
    So, as a result, you can get "a unique anti-submarine aircraft that has no analogues in the world" in a single copy.
    1. AUL
      +6
      2 August 2019 11: 56
      The third article about the Be-12 in a week. For the gifted?
      1. 0
        2 August 2019 13: 53
        So what.
  2. +13
    2 August 2019 05: 35
    At present, an insignificant number of extremely worn Be-12 remain in the stand. Their only reasonable use is only for rescue operations, and possibly routine patrol flights to control the sea.
  3. -2
    2 August 2019 05: 57
    Another proven, already classic. The most interesting thing is that you don’t need to invent anything, recycle it on the basis of modern technological achievements and you will be happy.
    1. +1
      3 August 2019 15: 48
      If you believe the pilots that flew on these devices, then it had to be disposed of 30 years ago. M make a normal seaplane. At least an analogue of the Japanese.
  4. +11
    2 August 2019 06: 10
    ... the wing has a characteristic kink, familiar to many even by the pre-war fighter I-153 and the equally famous German diving bomber Ju-87 ...

    In fact, the Ju-87 had a kink in the opposite direction (backward seagull). And based on patriotic feelings, it’s better to give the Soviet bomber Er-2 as an example instead of a German plane.
  5. +15
    2 August 2019 06: 17
    It’s sad when in 20 years it was sold for hundreds of trillions of dollars of the country's bowels, and we are trying to restore planes of the 50-60s ...
    Yesterday there should have been a new project, yesterday it was supposed to be up in the air, yesterday there should have been the latest weapons for it .... but no, yesterday there were yachts, business dogs to bring dogs to exhibitions, overseas citizenship ... when did Stalin will come and shake these suckers !?
    1. -12
      2 August 2019 10: 50
      Are you sure that this is a topic about nagging how everything was gone, and not about anti-submarine aircraft?
      And about who owes you something ... Such chatter is not from a big mind.
    2. -4
      2 August 2019 11: 05
      Quote: Warrior StillTot
      Yesterday there should have been a new project, yesterday it was supposed to be lifted into the air, and yesterday there should have been the latest weapons for it ....

      personally, what part did you take to resolve the issues voiced by you?
      ps
      whining on sites does not count.
    3. +3
      2 August 2019 23: 57
      And for 20 years, how many trillions of dollars were spent on social obligations of the state to its citizens, the military sphere, the Ministry of Emergencies and how much material assistance was paid to people affected by the emergency? In your opinion, money for the implementation of these and other projects comes from dampness ???
      1. -3
        3 August 2019 01: 36
        He will not understand. it is a category of people whom everyone always owes and no matter how much they give and do not do much.
        My aunt didn’t work all my life, before retirement I went to work for two years. Now she receives a pension more than my mother - a veteran of labor, a disabled person who devoted his whole life to work - medicine. And she constantly complains that everything is not being done right - the pension should be larger and they should give free vouchers not in the suburbs, but where she wants, for example, to Turkey or Montenegro. And so on. And when I tell how only 25+ years ago in the 90s, pensioners could only afford kefir and bread. And the doctors didn’t go home, and the social workers didn’t carry free drugs, they didn’t arrange excursions, mugs, and various sections for pensioners. I personally was busy in how, in the hospital, according to the list of ALL pensioners beneficiaries, they created a medical examination and various examination and treatment programs, and this was all besides free drugs. Last year I was in the hospital and did not regret it. It turned out that even 10 years before it was not so much different, but in general the difference is wild.
        In general, I would very much like to know. How to tell people without conscience what gratitude is and what it really is when nothing is done. I know the method - send to retire and get treatment in Ukraine.
    4. 0
      3 August 2019 07: 33
      It’s sad when in 20 years it was sold for hundreds of trillions of dollars of the country's bowels, and we are trying to restore planes of the 50-60s ...

      All rightly said, a tantrum of salaries on your salary under your comment only confirms this
      1. -2
        3 August 2019 16: 14
        But how many crowes ran in and rejoice, though judging by the lack of argumentation and in general, thoughts were taken in quantity and not quality.
  6. +6
    2 August 2019 06: 54
    and on the basis of the be-200 to create a modern car, there is no money visible, visibility of work, yes it’s money down the drain
    1. +10
      2 August 2019 07: 35
      ??? What for? The Be-200 itself is "based". This is an A-40 Albatross reduced in size. It has already been created and has flown. You just need to start its serial production with updated on-board equipment and domestic motors.
      1. +6
        2 August 2019 09: 07
        "Albatross" "slightly larger" "Seagulls" (how many quotes)))).
        And the engines on the A-40 have always been domestic. "Motor Sich" has nothing to do with it.)))
        1. +1
          2 August 2019 16: 38
          wink

          So the A-40 was not just created as it is. The military ordered it exactly as a replacement for the "Chaika". Just so big. So it’s not just that?
          And now almost all our motors are "Ukrainian". It is necessary to replace, not to restore rarities.
          1. 0
            3 August 2019 08: 08
            The D-436, installed on the Be-200, were indeed developed by the Zaporozhye Progress Machine-Building Design Bureau named after Academician A. G. Ivchenko. But the main D-30KPV and take-off RD-60K, which the Albatrosses are equipped with, in the sense of their development and production are (and have always been) purely Russian aircraft engines. "Nezalezhnye" were never even lying around there.))) Well, just not at all, even in our joint Soviet past.)))
            1. +1
              5 August 2019 12: 46
              Thanks I'll know.
    2. -2
      2 August 2019 11: 02
      You write extremely not logical things. The Be-200 is not some kind of commercially successful project that would rush to create something on it. Small-scale assembly is not very technological and profitable in production. I'm not talking about completely different operating conditions. But you certainly know better :) Regarding the visibility of the work - a little ridiculous. Do you make an order and accept? Visibility of work in front of you? I think no. If you did not know anything about this modernization or some other work, what would have changed? So what is the appearance of work if it does not need to be created? Money down the drain? Could you at least roughly compare the cost of these works with the projected period of use and the construction of new and operation of the same period? Well, you just have to rely on something when making such statements.
  7. +10
    2 August 2019 08: 28
    And laughter and sin. A rarity is being modernized. And in fact we are talking about the fact that we are not producing and are not going to produce aircraft that can be assigned anti-submarine functions.
    1. -13
      2 August 2019 11: 08
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Both laughter and sin. Rarity is being modernized.

      It seems like the words of the young major that he was bored with using this and that, all this is not so fashionable and not glamorous. Fu Fu Fu.
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      But in fact we are talking about the fact that we are not producing and are not going to produce aircraft, on which anti-submarine functions can be assigned.

      You could not write an article about it, because the author apparently does not have such data. I would like to read yours.
      I’ll tell you a secret - you can produce anything you want. And even quickly and fairly high quality. The question should be about economic feasibility. As practice shows, not only the army but also the war of economies wins.
      1. +8
        2 August 2019 12: 15
        So you can justify the modernization of any old trash. Why do we need to buy a Kurganets or T-15 when there is a BMP-1 (and let's plug a module from the BTR-82 there and call it modern modernization)
        Why produce at least t-90 or armature when there is t-62 (by the way they were removed from the reserve and put into operation), etc.
        The logic of our Defense Ministry and the government as a whole. Why extinguish fires in Siberia when everything burns out anyway ....
        And then when they understand the complete incompetence of such decisions, work begins in an emergency mode and almost work in the first person of the head of the department, of the state.

        It is very similar to the story of the su-57 when it was said why they were needed when there are other planes and only the president’s intervention directly gave a major contract and did not ruin the entire project.
        In the modern world, ordering equipment of the 60s presenting it as new is simply a crime, while having excellent ready-made modern projects.

        And then they say that our enterprises are drowning in bank debts that they take for such dubious projects (even African countries are no longer ready to buy such rubbish, money just goes nowhere), instead of launching new high-quality weapons (and their further maintenance)

        Actually, the drop in arms exports is precisely what is connected with this. We have very few well-established modern projects that we can offer, with a full quality service cycle abroad. When money goes not to the new, but to the old, this is the way to regress.
        1. -8
          2 August 2019 14: 46
          What you write is sheer populism. This is when the reasoning is simple and does not apply to the brain, but to emotions or instincts.
          And I specially wrote that post referring to some sort of logic and understand what a person writes. I personally don’t give a damn about populism, but judging by the minuses it’s obvious that it affects many people :) But this is bad, I didn’t see any arguments, which means the majority didn’t want to think. This is probably a modern trend.
          And now about the specifics.
          Quote: Xroft
          So you can justify the modernization of any old trash.

          And who talked about justification and anyone. Do you have any arguments against the modernization of the Be-12? Here are specific ones, based on something, and not in the spirit, but why or why they should. I would like to listen to them.
          Quote: Xroft
          Why do we need to buy a Kurganets or t-15 when there is a BMP-1 (and let's plug a module from the BTR-82 there and call it modern modernization)

          This is grotesque because these types of techniques are completely new to us. But specifically, this case, if we take it, determines the expediency in a slightly different way. The technology has some functions and it somehow fits into the actions of its unit. So, we are looking at a new technique that surpasses the old one in this or not. Not at all in terms of parameters and so on, but specifically in terms of capabilities and actions in place. For some tasks, and BMP-1 is quite suitable, or do you think it would be better without it at all? Perhaps in its place the technique that you listed does not fit at all. But it should be used differently and they are not a direct replacement. Everything needs to be considered, not market decisions made. Well, the delivery time may not be the closest, as well as break down and carry over. For example, for one plant, everyone knows what a lot of orders can be for both production and modernization, etc. And what is more important now and what priorities the plant / customer will have and when we get the samples is not known. And about the decisions - you are not in a hurry to blame. We have a lot of different personalities on the site who know exactly how and where much better and in general they would show, but in reality they even forget to wear pants. Do not be like them. Adoption, fairly large series and so on are very important things. And it doesn’t happen at all that for the first time a new product that is different from everything that was before would suddenly become an ideal solution for rearmament. Modern modernization. Well, that’s why it’s modernization, it doesn’t mean at all that according to other parameters it will meet modern ideas. Do not immediately give quick judgments and decisions. This is the destiny of the youth that our partners are taught to respond in this way. Look at other countries how many and what kind of equipment goes there. But I understood what you want to say.
          Quote: Xroft
          The logic of our Defense Ministry and the government as a whole. Why extinguish fires in Siberia when everything burns out anyway ....

          No, it's just YOU read the words that gave you such an idea. Do you understand? You, personally not understanding these issues and not understanding anything about it, found yourself an "idol" who told you the truth! And that's it, then the head does not work, but why, they told me the "truth" anyway! And everyone is satisfied and everyone knows everything better than the government and the Ministry of Defense. And if you look from the outside - it's monstrous. When extremely incompetent people judge and evaluate something, without understanding at all what they are talking about. Not so long ago, on the VO website there was an article about the BE-200, and it also wrote about forest fires. Moreover, there were links to scientists who are engaged in this, in the comments one could read in more detail. They told me where to look and I was happy to read the article, reasoning, figures, calculations of Professor Abduragimov. Who all his life has been engaged in the physics of fires, their extinguishing, the development of methods and so on. And so he says, you understand not you and not your "idols", but the person who actually deals with this topic, that it is impossible to extinguish forest fires. It's just not possible, that's why they burn all over the world. They can be localized, they can be fenced off, to deal with some kind of foci. But specifically, it is impossible to fight the fires themselves directly like extinguishing a house or something like that. And the same government and others are developing rules, measures in order to reduce damage, reduce the likelihood and so on. But who cares. After all, someone said that they were not doing anything and did not want to extinguish. After all, they said that the logic is in this, it means, as said another such idol of many - Navalny. No need to reflect, spread. Here you and the like are distributing :)
          Quote: Xroft
          And then when they understand the complete incompetence of such decisions, work begins in an emergency mode and almost work in the first person of the head of the department, of the state.

          So you just try to find out in this, and then judge and reason. Everything in your words is simple, but as you touch, everything turns out to be only on the surface. Emergency modes will ALWAYS and EVERYWHERE. Because if you learn to predict more precisely where the fires will spread, how they will spread and what they will hurt, I think you will need to give some sort of bonus, be sure. In the meantime, it turns out differently. For example, a settlement should be dug in and measures taken to protect it from fire, but not completed, they were put on the head of this point and the residents themselves. They did not underestimate the danger, considered that the recommendations are not so important and they don’t understand anything up there. That's about your logic reasoned. Or a water intake pond without water, although according to local reports it is. Part of the water dried up, part was used for irrigation, but they did not think about replenishment. It’s just that he’s always there and seems to have never been needed. And such moments are the sea. I would be glad to hear that everything was as clear as on paper. Fire protection measures must be taken such and they are taken in full and worked 100%. But unfortunately this almost never happens. And if for you seven troubles one answer, then what to talk about. Each cook knows how to equip the state ... until it comes to the specifics.
          Quote: Xroft
          In the modern world, ordering equipment of the 60s presenting it as new is simply a crime, while having excellent ready-made modern projects.

          What nonsense is this? Here from the first word to the last. Who orders the technology of the 60s? Upgrade it, yes, and rightly so. No one ever presents it as new, this is a lie. Presented as upgraded to some modern standards. And this is also correct. because when you need a chisel it’s not necessary to take an ax right away. And about the excellent finished projects, modern is again empty populism. More populism, more chatter, people love it, they will instruct you in pluses, only it will solve nothing. But this is not important to you. :) By the way, you will take an interest in the majority of military equipment what dates and years of development and operation. Not only here - all over the world. Well, that would be at least a little bit to understand what you mean.
          The heavy infantry fighting vehicles that you cited in no way can cover the need for most units. The tasks and means to solve them are completely different. And a compromise will not work out. Especially in a short time. Somewhere you need a heavy, powerful and expensive car, and somewhere easy support, and somewhere in general a carrier of weapons. Cut everything with an ax, because you know exactly what you need. :) By the way, we could not share the tests of this new technique, so that we could also make an impression of it and understand when and how it can be used, what are its strengths and weaknesses, what is superior to the existing one and why. You didn’t draw conclusions again from scratch.
        2. -6
          2 August 2019 15: 01
          Quote: Xroft
          And then they say that our enterprises are drowning in bank debts that they take for such dubious projects (even African countries are no longer ready to buy such rubbish, money just goes nowhere), instead of launching new high-quality weapons (and their further maintenance)

          Sorry, but what nonsense. You are not even ashamed to write nonsense, although this is it. You don’t even have any idea how this works, but draw conclusions on a cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity.
          By the way, you do not even see that you contradict yourself. You could not even listen to, understand and understand what your "idols" were broadcasting to you or where you got your fantasies from.
          Here is an example - a technique that has been in service for many years, in many countries, and with which it works both for modernization and purchase, and so on. You call dubious projects! it's enchanting. A new one, which has not yet been tested and about which there is no data, you think is excellent. Different from what? I do not argue - it is possible but it will be known after the publication of various tests and operation. Something I do not see orders for her.
          Here is another example - you write that enterprises are buried in debt when they upgrade old equipment. This is even more enchanting and shows the whole level of understanding of what you are talking about. That is, an enterprise that receives an order and real money for it, and makes an order on lines that are just under this technique - at a loss? You obviously have not only never been involved in any production or business, but you can hardly imagine what it is.
          But to release a new one when the technological effectiveness of production has not yet been worked out, to build a line for this production, to re-equip the production and not have large orders, foreign orders and other things in the near future is profit. YOU are the best economist that I saw, I think you and people like you will lift the country off its knees! Be sure to write a doctorate on this topic.
          Quote: Xroft
          instead of launching a new high-quality weapon (and its further maintenance)

          But how do you not understand simple children's things. To set up production and spend huge amounts of money on this, the project should be of 2 types. Or it will be a huge state order for several hundred pieces, so that production would be improved in the process, technological effectiveness would increase, the price would decrease and modernization might be introduced. Or it should be a commercially successful project, for which orders will be placed by other countries and there will also be large series of production. But that would have been necessary to pass various tests, put the equipment into service, show its capabilities, show its advantages over existing models. This is not only not a quick process, but also not always successful. As you do not understand, it is not the plant that often decides what to produce, but sometimes the orders are not purchased the best samples, so that the plant could work.

          Your reasoning is not complete knowledge of the topic, moreover in some cases it is simply a shame. This is cheap populism, designed for the public and having almost nothing with real life.
      2. +2
        2 August 2019 16: 19
        So can scrape on museums? In Monino for example. It is profitable not to build.
        1. -9
          2 August 2019 17: 08
          Have you been told this by the voices? belay
        2. +5
          2 August 2019 17: 21
          Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
          So can scrape on museums? In Monino for example. It is profitable not to build.

          excellent, then restore the anti-submarine aircraft Bartini VVA-14 (M-62 14m1p)
          I'll like you
          It is at least more modern than the Be-12.
      3. 0
        2 August 2019 17: 33
        You explain this to Putin. And then, you see, I moved to Aurus
        1. -3
          2 August 2019 19: 35
          And did not even consult? belay
  8. 0
    2 August 2019 10: 00
    it is very important to develop coastal aviation, as the distinguished admiral wisely noted, the plane is several times more efficient than the ship, in all respects, it is necessary to upgrade old planes and make new planes
  9. val
    +8
    2 August 2019 10: 29
    The author, the AT-2 does not fit in the cargo)))
    At-1 back to back.
  10. val
    +5
    2 August 2019 10: 33
    And the photo of board number 18 is out of place.)))

  11. +3
    2 August 2019 10: 49
    The author, the Be-12 is an amphibious aircraft. And you have a flying boat or an amphibian through the line.
    Russian fleet modernizes remaining in service flying boats Be-12

    Power point flying boat Be-12

    Maximum combat load flying boat Be-12 is 3000 kg

    equipment upgrade on board amphibious aircraft Be-12

    weaponry amphibious aircraft Be-12 "The Seagull"

    Listed sonar buoys for amphibious aircraft Be-12s were the main source of information on the underwater situation.
  12. -4
    2 August 2019 10: 56
    As always, two options - throw in a landfill or extend life. If the planes do not fall apart and are suitable for use in this form, then why not?
    In general, well, as far as I understand, such aircraft are very unprofitable in production. Usually they do not have a parallel civilian modification or their release is extremely small, so that you can make the desired series with an attractive price.
    1. +2
      2 August 2019 13: 05
      Yes, everything is correct - it’s easier to upgrade, the more so a good car, they do not need a large fleet, and then invent it.
      The Americans are in no hurry to write off the good old B-52 - they are constantly modernizing it, and there is no replacement for it.
  13. AAK
    +2
    2 August 2019 11: 06
    As for the possible use of the Be-12 in the Black Sea, I do not know where it will be based there now, except that in Gelendzhik, where hydroaviasals are held. Airbase in the village. Mirny on the lake. Donuzlav (not far from the Novoozernoe naval base), where an air regiment of such aircraft was based during the Soviet Union (about 40 stands), is now completely in a state of devastation (runways, taxiing, a slip for descent of seaplanes into the water, the entire airfield infrastructure). There restoration work for 3-4 years, subject to full funding ...
    1. val
      +1
      2 August 2019 19: 53
      So it was not necessary to distill them to Kachu. ARZ in Yevpatoriya, everything was under repair, everything is nearby.
      1. AAK
        +1
        3 August 2019 01: 08
        The ARZ in Yevpatoria practically did not function after the USSR, now half of the slabs are skewed on its runway, no aircraft can safely land, there are people riding jeeps only, and I don’t even know what the ARZ shops do
        1. val
          0
          3 August 2019 17: 21
          And there is. Ukraine does not need such volumes of weapons, as well as shipbuilding, missile and other plants. They worked and were funded by the whole country. But Ukraine is not an empire and did not threaten a confrontation with the United States. Therefore, everything is abandoned.
  14. val
    +13
    2 August 2019 11: 11
    Quote: Red_Baron
    If the planes don't fall apart

    They fell apart in the late 70s, when we, as a cadet, we flew at them.
    At Beshek, the rudders of the turns are percale, that is, a rag. This is the level of the 30s of the last century (due to interference with the magnetometer) ... How many times washed the keel washers at the park bottom)))
    Solidly riveted ... this is his only virtue.
  15. +3
    2 August 2019 12: 22
    The fact that the Be-12 amphibious aircraft remaining in service is waiting for modernization, it became known back in January 2018 of the year,
    ,,, so when will the work begin?
    This was reported in January 2018, in January 2019, in August 2019.
  16. +1
    2 August 2019 12: 33
    It's funny, but "Non-Tradition" was run in on this plane. The radar allows you to build a complex on it, which will detect submarines by surface wave manifestations, that is, it is stupid to see the place where the submarine is under water.
    And the internal volumes allow you to put a computer complex there, which will decode the radar signals and bring them into a "watchable" form. And the operator's seat in the tail cockpit can be equipped.

    But 100% this will not be done.
    1. val
      +5
      2 August 2019 12: 56
      Alexander, you can shove it. The AI-20 had not very good generators and there were problems with voltage. If the ancient equipment somehow withstood these "jumps", then the relatively modern computer completely went off the rails. I don't remember exactly, but there the AI-20 was of the 4th series, that is, with increased power. The Il-38 was equipped with the usual AI-20 and there were no voltage problems. Normally translated to 220 V. 50 hertz and everything worked.
      I even managed to connect JP-Escu to the on-board network. And it worked fine, it didn’t fail.
      On the Be-12, such a number would not have passed.
      Everything will need to be changed there. It’s easier to build a new one.
      1. +2
        2 August 2019 15: 54
        I will solve this problem with a set of screwdrivers, a pair of wrenches and some kind of UPS where the computer is always powered by the battery and it is charged through the voltage regulator from the mains.

        Ah, I forgot the nippers laughing
        1. 0
          2 August 2019 17: 10
          Well, yes, it’s not difficult to make a bridge
          1. val
            +3
            2 August 2019 19: 42
            Wrote already.
            Everything is possible, but if there is an accident or disaster, people will go to trial. Well, I was the first as an initiator, at that time the chief of staff of the 122nd OPLAE. "Tailors" are enough, they will stick and sew the case even for a day overdue schedule of amendments to the VD or US.
        2. val
          +3
          2 August 2019 19: 37
          There are a lot of gitos :-) :-) :-)
          Firstly, at the junction of specialists. The generator, as attached to the engine is an elephant. SD But it is related to AO and REO.
          Secondly, there is a technical description and regulations. It indicates what and to what extent should be issued. I'm not happy, but they poke a document in my nose.
          Thirdly, even transfer. For example, ASF, the signature of the general or his deputy in special cases is required.
          But you are right, you did it for awl. For summer vacations. For letting fishing ensigns during the spawning season.
          But this is all on the initiative of the lower classes. It should not be so.
          1. +1
            2 August 2019 21: 18
            Well, yes, and stick an import computer in Be-12 and fly with it is the norm.

            Okay, I was joking. Just smoothing out power surges is, in theory, never a problem.
            1. val
              +1
              2 August 2019 21: 45
              It is now.
              Do not consider it a flood. I read it recently. :-)

                An old Soviet anecdote. Question: Lenin walked in boots, Stalin in boots, and Putin in a bathyscaphe. 
               Answer: under Lenin, we were ankle-deep in shit "  
  17. exo
    0
    2 August 2019 12: 46
    Awful inconsistency: write off all the Be-12s of the Russian fleet. At the same time, some are in good condition. And again to worry about the problem when they reappeared in a small amount, after the annexation of Crimea.
    Hopefully, the aircraft has at least a small potential for modernization. Because, as an anti-submarine, it is out of date by the 80s.
    1. 0
      2 August 2019 15: 55
      Because, as an anti-submarine, it is out of date by the 80 years.


      It is still out of test. But some of this aircraft can be made, very useful for PLO. Who would take ...
      1. val
        +3
        2 August 2019 19: 45
        Beshka is a moped. To drive for beer, unpretentious, easy to cook.
        This is already a minibus. :-)
        The glider withstood such loads, another aircraft could not even dream of.
        1. +1
          2 August 2019 21: 22
          I like the skopzny passage throughout the plane - the freedom of creativity in the modernization. And the operator’s place is at the tail ready for any complex.
          Minus - the noise is bad, there is no refueling, and indeed it is unsuitable for long flights.

          They would be altered into search and rescue teams, and for special forces, from the MTR water to be picked up in all kinds of black holes, and for the MA to make a normal anti-submarine modern, but this does not seem to be our method.
          1. val
            +1
            2 August 2019 21: 46
            In the stern of the radio operator. The operator could stick in front of the freighter. There is a hammock. Him is the place.
            1. 0
              3 August 2019 20: 18
              I’m a radio operator’s place. It is greasy in our time to have an individual person on a walkie-talkie.
              1. val
                0
                3 August 2019 20: 43
                VHF communications are carried out by KK and the navigator. Far, including closed radio operator.
                There is enough space in the navigator’s cabin, and the exchange by spas, the commander doesn’t have to hear and write everything on the MC-61.

                And it’s convenient to discuss search actions. And the review is better, the radio operator has such a blister that only the sky is visible :-) the landing strip is visible. When the plane is nose down.
                1. 0
                  3 August 2019 22: 28
                  This is the fifth crew member obtained. He also gets an uncomfortable compartment to put it mildly.

                  The review is at the navigator, and the navigator has a so-so review)))))
                  1. val
                    +2
                    4 August 2019 02: 19
                    Two cadets each flew as a senior. Quite fit. Not necessarily "for"
                    However, the window opens to the right, speed allows you to stick your head out.
                    And in front I often sat on the sight and in the glass where the NKPB stands staring. Especially at low altitudes, it is good to provide visual orientation. With Biryukov, when I flew to the "Window", it was quite comfortable with the navigator, especially when we had a snack, and sometimes we bite a little bit with him. Even in winter, the navigator has a lot of space, almost like in the Il-76.
                    The IL-38 is not convenient. You need to hang over the commander and look out. The Tu-142 is also nothing, but all forward and down.
                    Well, and statistics, most visual detections of retractable devices are on the Be-12. Low speed, altitude and visibility. On Tu visually and I do not remember this.
                    1. 0
                      5 August 2019 13: 13
                      I don’t get into what we are talking about.
                      The navigator’s pothole? Or about the compartment behind him, to the right of the entrance to the plane? I do not seem to understand you.
                      1. val
                        0
                        5 August 2019 14: 03
                        :-)
                        Better at the navigator. There is at least a normal floor. In other compartments, you can break your legs.
                      2. val
                        0
                        5 August 2019 14: 08
                        Right at the entrance, stairs to climb to the pilots. To the left is a compartment for those who were planned to be rescued from the water. There is a bunk on the left and right hammock hanging. If you place the operator, then the navigator. I wrote about his cabin. I’ll post the photo as I get to a normal computer.
                      3. 0
                        6 August 2019 01: 00
                        Yes, I understand, behind the navigator’s seat between him and the space under the ejection seats.

                        Here.



                        There, with an emergency exit "questions" - while the navigator is struggling with a sled and a hatch, the operator will just look at it, get a kick from the buzz of ejection seats, then in a falling plane he will climb through the navigator's seat to the hatch. Well, somehow I can't believe it.

                        And everything is behind. It is only necessary to mount the system terminal instead of the radio station. Yes, and the radio can be left there and make the operator also a radio operator. Or a navigator, they will take away anti-submarine weapons control from him.
                      4. val
                        +2
                        6 August 2019 07: 51
                          Yes, it is a window. There is also an entrance, behind the radar, but I did not open it in flight. Enough intelligence, even a cadet. Although he was missing when he photographed the bomb. "How I almost became a bomb" http://samlib.ru/s/semenow_aleksandr_sergeewich333/kakiashutbomboinestal-2019.shtml There is a photo of Beshki. Well, and an element of psychology, I'm about leaving. If there are conditions for maintaining horizontal flight and landing, no one will leave the plane. If not, the navigator does not jump out. And no matter how much he has in the cockpit. And jump into icy water with a small boat-bad nema. The sectional samolt, with rescue means, even de-energized, will last at least an hour on the water. If the engine fails at low altitude, it is able to return home. Described in the story "The Story of One Departure". http://samlib.ru/s/semenow_aleksandr_sergeewich333/salenkobe-12.shtml There is a photo of the Beshek sedimentation tank and the circumstances of the catastrophe at Kacha side 18, posted by the author of the article here. Even Efremof in his Tu-16 made the decision to land on the water, this is when he cut out the engines and did not notice. I have already written about the placement. Psychology again. The saddest workplace on the Tu-16 is in the stomach. One, no windows. Second, I also wrote, not all search information should be written on the onboard tape recorder. The equipment can be placed anywhere, but it is better for the operator next to the navigator, for business it is better. Well, about leaving. Somehow in the mid-80s there was a case on the stretch from the plant in Evpatoria. KK Lenya Kolotovkin and my kashnik as navigator. In the future, a GRU colonel and a spy at the embassy :-) They took off after the evening libations, there was a noise in my head, in short, the plane failed and at the exit they made almost a barrel. But even then, the Kamandir did not have the thought to leave the navigator and leave the office. :-) Although the height of the bluff is at the limit. Naturally, this was not reported, and the MSRP writes the last 30 minutes of the flight. The case also deserves a story.
                      5. 0
                        6 August 2019 10: 51
                        Well, yes, amphibian ...
                      6. val
                        0
                        8 August 2019 10: 32
                        Found, Zhdanov, fourth year internship.)))
          2. val
            +2
            2 August 2019 21: 53
            Refueling with water is possible, provided. PSS sunroof does not open. If about the usual- There are hoses, and boost air. He sat down on the water, the engines stood up, the ACC for 40 minutes, after which there is water and drowning.
            Special forces from the water are better than the Mi-14. In range is quite. By its noise it scares everyone. It’s better to shoot DRG at night. Mi sits with a spotlight on the water, Be no.
            Although now xs. NVDs are different.
            1. 0
              3 August 2019 20: 17
              A helicopter is always better when range allows. NVD is exactly what changes everything, even ordinary helmet-mounted ones, you just need to replace the instrument lighting so that it can be seen in the NVD. I meant refueling in the air.
              Under the MSS, modify the fuselage so that you can remove a person from the water.

              These are all assumptions, I do not insist
              1. val
                +1
                3 August 2019 20: 49
                Well, the rescuer is therefore without a hatch, so that it’s safe to land on the water.
                In general, for this case, the "Fregat" Tu-16 was invented. Or a helicopter, like the amers. There is a good film with K.Kostner "The Rescuer".
                Refueling in the air is good. Only the IL-78 and Be have speeds that do not quite match.
                And they are not enough for long-range fighters.
  18. 0
    2 August 2019 17: 08
    I always liked what the be-12 looks like
    and who knows his strengths and weaknesses?
    1. exo
      0
      2 August 2019 20: 39
      I advise you to read Anatoly Artemiev. Be-12: the plane of the three elements
      Posted by Captain 1st Rank, Worked at the Navy's Combat Use Center.
      1. val
        +3
        2 August 2019 22: 13
        The attitude towards him is ironic, although he has collected a lot of material.
        Example.
        There is such a Vabishchevich Galina. In the past, a phrenologist.
        After spinning at the Yeisk Aviation Forum, on "Naval Aviation is"
        I collected material, released a book. Now builds pilots. It seems like she became an authority. :-)
        Well, friendship with Vitya Sokerin, a former com. BF Aviation.
        He hates me, because a market conjunctress spoke into her eyes.
        1. exo
          +1
          3 August 2019 12: 03
          So, there’s no normal literature about this car. Therefore, at least something.
          1. val
            +1
            3 August 2019 17: 27
            I came across a lot of good and comprehensive articles on the Be-12. In my opinion, in Aviation and Time, Aviation and Cosmonautics .. Now I won’t say for sure that it is torn from its main computer. But in the archive there are a lot of photos and articles and videos that I shot while flying on Beshka.
            There are screenshots in the story.
            http://samlib.ru/s/semenow_aleksandr_sergeewich333/torpeda.shtml
            1. exo
              0
              3 August 2019 21: 58
              This, I have. Simply, Artemyev is a good addition to them.
  19. 0
    2 August 2019 17: 13
    Quote: timokhin-aa
    It is still out of test.

    but what, do we have a boat that is better engaged in rescue and communication with the islands?
    1. val
      0
      2 August 2019 22: 16
      Helicopter and boat easier. Weather and do not need an airfield. Only a turntable platform.
  20. 0
    2 August 2019 17: 22
    Quote: bober1982
    The Americans are in no hurry to write off the good old B-52 - they are constantly modernizing it, and there is no replacement for it.

    another example is much better, profile one - katalins still fly.
    1. val
      +2
      2 August 2019 19: 49
      There is a network of places where aircraft are stored in the United States. Humidity, almost no precipitation, constant temperature and so on. Well, conservation.
      We often planes with storage is a repair fund.
  21. +1
    2 August 2019 20: 21
    Somehow a few years ago I read here the comment of the Be-12 pilot. I only remembered that the plane is very difficult to control, you can’t relax with it. Then there is no noise, the pilots quickly got tired and earned deafness and so on and so forth ... Plus, there are only about 40 of them, of which 20 are still in service. In short, the trash ...
    1. val
      +3
      2 August 2019 22: 20
      Not heavy, inert. But it allows you to twist it, almost like a fighter. The pull is good.
      To reduce noise, they give out headsets with glycerine pads. It makes a lot of noise, because it is not tight. You have to press the headset to your ear when exchanging radio. But you get used to it.
  22. +1
    2 August 2019 20: 44
    These aircraft are needed for flights to inaccessible areas. An example of such a region in a video. The people are waiting for such a plane, for military purposes it may be necessary, but the question is why:
    The modernization of the remaining Be-12 “Chaika” flying boats, for which there is also a niche, also fits into this concept, especially given the fact that the Russian fleet does not receive new amphibious aircraft at all.

    1. val
      +1
      4 August 2019 02: 28
      It is necessary to equip a hydro-aerodrome and "exit" from the water. And the weather does not always allow it to be used - ice, drifts, visibility. The need to keep a subservient, rescue, meteo, engineering training group.
      According to the stories of grandfathers, on the Be-6, which were based on Kamchatka on the water, everything is not easy.
      It is warm and fun in the states, in Miami or in California, and hard with the north.
      Well, the risk of landing and taking off from the water is stress for the crew and an extra load on the plane.
      1. 0
        4 August 2019 13: 44
        It turns out the possibility of landing and take-off from the water is it only as a last resort, and is it not very desirable?
        1. val
          +2
          4 August 2019 16: 34
            Well, you can't say that. Like refueling in the air. Or landing the Mi-14 on the water. Prescribed in the tasks, included in the KBP-course of combat training. Please do the exercise and get admission. Without it, the class cannot be confirmed. This is a burp of past tactics. Well, like planes with CIS. Then it was believed that in this way it was possible to increase the used opportunities. F-111, Su-24, Tu-160 appeared. Then composites appeared, new engines and this idea became archaic. Why the F-35 KIS? The Be-12 could be refueled from water, from a submarine or a ship. It was believed that this would increase the radius and patrol time. For diesel boats, it may and will pass. The load on the aircraft is very high and the sea water is aggressive. And there were disasters. And the conditions are not always favorable for this. Well, the savings on the runway. As for the Be-6. There is no need to build an airfield. And for the winter he dragged ashore and goodies.
          1. +1
            6 August 2019 10: 55
            Well, in general, there is one consideration - in the case of a big war, kayuk airfields and very quickly. In this case, hydroaviation is uncontested, naturally in the presence of ice-free water areas.
            1. val
              +1
              6 August 2019 12: 48
                Yes, but again options. If there is a war, it will not be limited to strikes. The enemy also needs aero. Cluster munitions, aircraft equipment will be burned, the entire strip. Nuclear air explosion is similar. The second side, when striking the enemy, few will return and it is not a fact that they will return to their AU. To me, a young lieutenant, the navigator of the Il-38 aircraft Nazarov told me that the war identified the areas where we should be picked up by our submarines. Time 1980. We were then tagged to search in the south, in the Chinese seas. There were then SSBN areas. The sharks had no idea about this, but they obviously would have made it faster than our rescue plane :-)
              1. -1
                6 August 2019 13: 47
                You were then de facto identified as a suicide bomber. I don’t know where such nonsense came from, I used to read the American estimates of our aviation PLO, they were sad for us. Like, slow and lightweight, and what Russians think only.

                They could count on escort decks, and the Phantoms with their range.

                An aerodrome is carried out by a named nuclear explosion if, by the standards of old times, it is suitable. Now there are a dozen or two KR along the runway and taxiways plus loose mines, and the airfield does not work for at least a day. For a day you can manage to get things done, then again.

                And the water will endure everything in this case, especially when there are many lakes in the coastal zone. Yes, and disperse planes easier.
                1. +1
                  29 August 2019 16: 02
                  Alexander, good afternoon :-)
                  Add.
                  There is such a thing, preparation for the second flight by the crew.
                  But ONE TIME :-)
                  It is possible to disperse whoever where.
                  But not the fact that everyone will come back.
                  An option to escape from the attack, 1.30 provides for jumping out naked, that is, without buoys and torpedoes.
                  Well, they hang in the air for 6 hours, the airfield is intact, they sit back. And if not? Well, you can on the ground, parallel to the main runway.
                  What if after a nuclear strike? Or chemistry?
                  There are spare, sat down there. Gas station.
                  Well, they will sit while the rest are fighting. The boats left, partly drowned, and the planes were whole. Hooray!
                  This is a joke, there were at least three options for the war with us.
                  1. 0
                    29 August 2019 17: 06
                    >>> It is possible to disperse it, who is where.
                    But not the fact that everyone will come back.
                    An option to escape from the attack, 1.30 provides for jumping out naked, that is, without buoys and torpedoes.
                    Well, they hang in the air for 6 hours, the airfield is intact, they sit back. And if not? <<<

                    It is necessary to deploy reserve aerodromes and warehouses in advance, then headquarters to manage all this, redirect planes from one airfield to another, have headquarters for the formation of time tacts of non-permanent groups, be able to manage them, etc.

                    In fact, to learn, in short, in Leninist style.
                    1. 0
                      30 August 2019 02: 10
                      I lied. 1.30 is on duty. Conclusion 1.50. (((
                      The alternate aerodrome is a commandant’s office, a minimal set of equipment for preparation (APA, TK, oxygen, air, tractor, etc.)
                      Constantly there to keep a leadership group, commander and navigator. We sat for a month on Lenin and Pushchino.
                      In winter, it needs to be cleaned from snow, stoves must be repaired, have a fuel supply, guard, respectively. Yes, I forgot about the PCT funds. Drive radio station, lighting equipment, radar.
                      Very expensive.
                      During the union there were many parts and spare parts were those on which someone is based.
                      Under Serdyukov, they cut it, everything collapsed and the local residents destroyed it.
                      1. 0
                        30 August 2019 09: 24
                        Constantly there to keep a leadership group, commander and navigator. We sat for a month on Lenin and Pushchino.
                        In winter, it needs to be cleaned from snow, stoves must be repaired, have a fuel supply, guard, respectively. Yes, I forgot about the PCT funds. Drive radio station, lighting equipment, radar.
                        Very expensive.


                        I once read about such a joke. During the "war game" people came up with such a unit as "airfield" - a unit that can be transferred to any live runway and immediately organize the reception of aircraft there. Headquarters, mobile control room, flexible fuel tanks, a security company, there was something else there, I don't remember now. Almost all the equipment was airborne, it was necessary to ensure that only heavy vehicles were available at the deployment airfield - TZA, chargers, fuel collectors, snow blowers, etc.

                        Like, in peacetime these units do not exist in full force, in a threatened period they are deployed, conduct reconnaissance at airfields in their area of ​​responsibility, bring the availability and serviceability of heavy equipment at airfields to standards, arrive at the required airfield on order and turn it into " living "air base. If necessary, they are transferred to another airfield.

                        It is only necessary that someone guarded the airfield itself and the property on it.

                        In short, this is a resolved issue, so to speak. If out of touch with our realities to discuss.
  23. 0
    5 August 2019 17: 41
    Completely stupid in modern conditions, hopelessly outdated, not even having a pressurized cabin aircraft. I am glad that it will be modernized, although it is pointless, it is a pity that our (taxpayers) money. With this approach, I undertake to make a super combat vehicle out of the Zaporozhets at the expense of the treasury, most importantly, give budget money for this.
    1. val
      +1
      5 August 2019 19: 59
        There are probably several reasons. Such sites are monitored by aides and advisers to those in power. And now it’s a fashionable trick to raise and cut. For several years, the forum "Naval Aviation is" discussed the idea of ​​resuming production of the Mi-14. And use from storage. Soon they will talk about it in the MO. The idea of ​​reworking the MiG-31v of the Zircon carrier. Completely unrealistic ideas that everyone saw in Putin's cartoons. It is important to present an idea and substantiate it as if it is needed. And then either the donkey or the padishah will die.
      1. 0
        6 August 2019 10: 52
        Soon they will talk about it in the Moscow Region.


        Soon? Yes already!
        1. val
          +2
          6 August 2019 13: 00
          Com of the regiment in Donskoy Vlad Vasil. exported the Poles when they bought the Mi-14. And he was very indignant that the Poles were still flying on the Mi-14, and ours were ditched.
          You can go to the "Naval Aviation is" he is there under the nickname Donskoy.,
          I was also a frequent visitor there before Krymnash, but then somehow it did not work out :-)
          Yes, a lot of interesting things. A kashnik at the late-graduate school Vova Cherkes landed in Kamrani at sea, on failure they sawed them like a boat for 12 hours until they raked to the base :-)
          I wrote that he was in St. Petersburg at Matvienko's advisers, and they were forbidden to write in social networks.
          Nick has his Mi-14 ...
          Browse a lot of interesting things.
          Well, officials also read all this :-)
          1. 0
            6 August 2019 13: 49
            Kamrani was at sea, on failure, well, they sawed them later as a boat of 12 watches while they raked to the base :-)


            Once a typical story was for hydroaviation.
            1. val
              0
              8 August 2019 14: 11
              Well, Vova, well done, they taught us well. Only on KI-13 brought the helicopter exactly to the base.
  24. 0
    7 August 2019 23: 15
    as part of the Black Sea Fleet aircraft 9 Be 12, about 20 more are "in storage in Taganrog, the Ostrov airfield, etc. If all of them are modernized and carried out CWR, we will get about 24 aircraft - a regiment. Mediterranean, Barents, which is pretty good
    1. val
      0
      8 August 2019 10: 35
      Ten years of downtime, scrap. And who will drive them from here to ARZ?
      Elizovo.
      1. 0
        13 August 2019 23: 51
        nobody will drive, fly like cargo
        1. 0
          17 August 2019 12: 06
          You must first remove the floats, the plane of the keel washer. After many years of standing, this is not worth it.
          Where will they fly? ARZ was the only one in Be in Evpatoria. To Taganrog? It is unlikely that the equipment was preserved there.
          The question of AI-20 has already been raised.
          But about the chassis no. These wheels have not been produced for a long time. In my opinion, this is the future cut under the voiced idea of ​​rebirth.
          1. 0
            22 August 2019 12: 58
            EARZ why was it? eat and work.
            1. -1
              22 August 2019 23: 50
              How not to offend you :-)
              I drove back there several times, even with the union.
              The last time I was there in 2004 was when I was resting in Yevpatoria and went there, looking for colleagues.
              There is such a thing as RIGGING and KPA. Already then for the Be-12 this was not there. Engaged in all garbage type An-12 and Su-25.
              There is no other place to take it. Who will do it, snap-in for glider repair?
              1. 0
                23 August 2019 22: 20
                you don’t believe it. in 16, if I don’t confuse, they managed to fulfill all the regulations on Be 12
                1. -2
                  24 August 2019 09: 08
                  RR perform in the TEC regiment.
                  The factory has a slightly different scope of work.
                  I will not argue, maybe they did something. Only the volume is a little different. Under the USSR, three regiments and two detached squadrons were repaired there, including converted into "Narcissus".
                  Now to carry out work (in terms of) the modernization of dozens of aircraft from sludge ???
                  I do not know.
  25. -2
    24 August 2019 21: 54
    Hooray!
    Cons exceeded ten thousand, it's time to say goodbye. Koro will be banned again, for the 22nd time.
    Alexander, I’ll go over again, let me know that it’s me :-)
  26. +1
    23 September 2019 08: 03
    Thanks, interesting. From me, plus.
  27. bar
    +1
    29 October 2019 09: 51
    The Russian fleet will upgrade the remaining Be-12 Chaika flying boats

    It's sad sad

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“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev Lev; Ponomarev Ilya; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; Mikhail Kasyanov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"