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OS Astra Linux combined with software products company EOS

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The Astra Linux group of companies and Electronic Office Systems (EOS) have signed an agreement on the compatibility of their software products after the tests. About this press service of Astra Linux.


OS Astra Linux combined with software products company EOS


Astra Linux and EOS have successfully tested the compatibility of their software products, which resulted in a signed compatibility certificate and technology partnership agreement under the Ready For Astra Linux program.

In the course of testing, the operability and correctness of the operation of the CASE-Web electronic document management system and the KARMA application software system in the environment of the special-purpose operating system Astra Linux Special Edition version 1.6 was confirmed.

- said in a statement.

According to Astra Linux product director Roman Mylitsyn, EOS products are in great demand in government structures, executive and state authorities.

In turn, EOS Marketing Director Elena Ivanova said that the addition of a list of operating systems compatible with EOS products would give organizations more opportunities for import substitution.

Astra Linux is a special-purpose operating system based on the Linux kernel, designed to comprehensively protect information and build secure automated systems. Has passed the certification of information security tools of the Ministry of Defense and the Federal Security Service of Russia.
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  1. Clueless
    Clueless 31 July 2019 17: 23
    +3
    Promotional materials may it be time to mark as ADVERTISEMENT? ;) For this material does not relate to Military Observation in any way
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 31 July 2019 17: 32
      +7
      Where is this ad in? For the average user, the AstraLinux common edition is completely free. Download it now.
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 31 July 2019 18: 12
        +6
        Since MO will use this software, then the material here is in place.
        soldier
        1. Intelegent
          Intelegent 31 July 2019 23: 11
          +2
          MO has been using Astra for several years
          1. Axel Pervolianinen
            Axel Pervolianinen 1 August 2019 21: 06
            +1
            The distribution is different. And the composition and certification. For state institutions FSTEC, the Moscow Region and the FSB have their own certification for processing state secrets. So they don’t use open free there.
  2. Gardamir
    Gardamir 31 July 2019 17: 30
    -9
    very in demand in government agencies, executive and state authorities.
    We were caught on such things in the late 80s, everything for the state and nothing for people. Now programs for the big ones and nothing for the people. And if you don’t see the difference ...
    1. Honest Citizen
      Honest Citizen 31 July 2019 17: 37
      0
      And if you don’t see the difference ...

      ... that is, anti-piracy law ...
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 31 July 2019 18: 03
        0
        anti-piracy law ...
        Not that ... Maybe they will finally create their axis for the country, their programs?
        1. Yura
          Yura 31 July 2019 18: 17
          +3
          Quote: Gardamir
          Can they finally create their axis for the country, their programs?

          There are dozens of them, there are those that use the available kernels, there are those that are created from scratch. Among them there are those next to which the Window stands just next to it.
          1. Honest Citizen
            Honest Citizen 31 July 2019 18: 20
            0
            Among them there are those next to which the Window stands just next to it.

            But the whole world is hooked on the "window", all software is sharpened for it ... alas and ah ...
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 31 July 2019 18: 41
              +1
              alas and ah.
              I agree.
            2. poquello
              poquello 1 August 2019 00: 25
              +2
              Quote: Honest Citizen
              Among them there are those next to which the Window stands just next to it.

              But the whole world is hooked on the "window", all software is sharpened for it ... alas and ah ...

              this is not true,
              according to W3Cook, Linux runs servers that run 96,5 percent of the world's first million domains (according to Alexa rating).
              W3Techs goes even further on this list and claims that Linux supports about 70 percent of the first 10 million Alexa domains. Windows controls the remaining 30 percent

              cloud servers - exactly more than half,
              well, android
              There are about 2,5 billion smartphones in the world, so we can safely assume that Android runs on about 1,75 billion phones. In comparison, Windows runs on 1,5 billion home computers.

              Well, the 500 most supercomputers on Linux sit
              1. ZAV69
                ZAV69 1 August 2019 07: 53
                -2
                Well, these are servers and phones. And user computers and office servers on what sit? 99% is Windows.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 1 August 2019 18: 38
                  0
                  Quote: ZAV69
                  Well, these are servers and phones. And user computers and office servers on what sit? 99% is Windows.

                  this is also not the case, the share of desktop Linux is definitely more than 5% and is constantly growing
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 31 July 2019 18: 40
            0
            There are dozens of them
            That's the way people try, but theirs, only for Russia there. What about the programs? Write an article for VO, and they tell you to correct errors in the WORD.
            1. Yura
              Yura 31 July 2019 20: 06
              +4
              Quote: Gardamir
              That's the way people try, but theirs, only for Russia there

              Have you tried to install any of the Linuxes yourself? If not, choose one of the ones you like best, bet, leave the second one, or vice versa the first system. Now it is not fifteen years ago, in general, there are no problems with it. You will see the difference in the operation of the system, and you will also understand why on some systems even an antivirus is not needed and a "scarecrow" that Linux is not for cross-handed people today is a "scarecrow" (here I mean ready-made and run-in OS), for software not worry, as that "comrade" above, he went to bed fifteen years ago, so he is still sleeping, or pretending.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 31 July 2019 21: 12
                +1
                they themselves tried to put some of Linux?
                I tried, but honestly, the habit is stronger ...
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 31 July 2019 18: 23
          +2
          It is unlikely that we will create a completely our own axis for the mass user, and this is not necessary. Domestic Linux - based distributions exist: AltLinux, AstraLinux, RosaLinux, CalculateLinux. I used Dew, the system is not bad, stable, although I'm a Debian fan, 'eh. There is also a real-time system: RTOS Max, but it is for microcontrollers.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 31 July 2019 18: 43
            0
            We’ll hardly create our own axis for the mass user
            For each time, its own concept of a strong independent power. Guns of the 19th century, nuclear weapons of the 20th century and everything connected with computers in the 21st century.
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 31 July 2019 19: 00
              +3
              Yes, I see, I see.
              The main thing is to catch on anything and shout all badly.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 31 July 2019 19: 43
                +3
                Yes, I see, I see.
                You have some sort of personal hostility. What does it have to do with good? Once again, I repeat the independent power is one that has developed technologies and programs. I wanted us to have this more.
          2. Yura
            Yura 31 July 2019 20: 15
            0
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            AltLinux, AstraLinux, RosaLinux, CalculateLinux. I used Dew, the system is not bad, stable, although I'm a Debian fan, 'eh.

            Ubuntu were put on my test, then Saratov Ubuntu, and a few more. Now for four years AltLinux costs, it suits me.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 31 July 2019 20: 18
              0
              I used Rosa Linux. Very good distributive, stable. Although somewhat heavy.
        3. Axel Pervolianinen
          Axel Pervolianinen 1 August 2019 21: 08
          +1
          Where did the debian become "your own"? The fact that they rebuild gnu licensed sources with a cut off license agreement header does not make the distribution kit domestic.
      2. Vol4ara
        Vol4ara 31 July 2019 20: 41
        -1
        Quote: Honest Citizen
        And if you don’t see the difference ...

        ... that is, anti-piracy law ...

        I am begging you...
    2. Candidate of Military Sciences
      Candidate of Military Sciences 31 July 2019 20: 12
      -3
      That's all right. I watched with my own eyes the cutting of the state. order. The more the amount sawn (and there are huge amounts of money), the more "necessary" the product. Then they pay 2 rubles to some pioneers. 3 kopecks and they close the contract with some kind of bullshit that works for a year, and then everyone forgets about it. And the FSB is not around, no one at all - everyone is already on vacation.
      And now we’ve included another scheme - we will sell, but prepare everything that you have money. And for free you will only have a worm on a hook.
      Our civil IT is now not dealt with by "computer scientists", they are not even engineers ....
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    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 31 July 2019 18: 05
      +5
      Firstly, this is the price of a certified OS for working with the information that constitutes state secrets. Secondly: Astralinux is free for personal use. Go to the site and download. Thirdly: Russian programmers are far from the last place in the world. Fourth: the language of the IT industry, like the language of aviation - English and programming languages ​​are based on English.
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 31 July 2019 18: 19
        0
        Are you telling this to a candidate for science who is also military? Do not break your spears, live in peace.
        In general, we also have other Linux systems that are also with Russian processing such as ALT, ROSA and others like that and even RUNTU for Ubuitu. )))
        1. Candidate of Military Sciences
          Candidate of Military Sciences 31 July 2019 19: 15
          -2
          Your words are all wrinkled, they mean nothing. And the thoughts are the same. And the same life awaits you.
          And since you don’t understand that this is so, then it’s not for you to decide how ugly you will burry tomorrow ...
          Not for you, but for those for whom the Latin alphabet is their native alphabet. And you will eat up the sausage bits of other people's technologies ...
          Not being able to create technology is one thing, and not understanding that you need to do it yourself is another thing.
          The first is limited capacity, and the second is voluntary consent to Aboriginalism.
          Guys, aborigines do not need technology at all ... how scary and humiliating it is, you still have to understand, and, perhaps, survive.
          1. Irokez
            Irokez 31 July 2019 21: 39
            +1
            Well, you don’t really boil it. Your patriotism is praised of course, but against the current that all sorts of Joba Bills have created at the right time, you can no longer trample openly and still have to go with the flow. And why so, and you yourself understand, for at first the seizure of the territory of the United States by your own products and through PR with delicious buns all this was swallowed by the whole world (we are also part of the world). Therefore, there is no need to fuss, no need to worry, for there is always an alternative in the form of other operating systems, both free and paramilitary and purely military, but this is another song.
            If the United States imposes sanctions and prohibits the use of Windows, then only gamers and adware will lose, and the rest will transfer to Linux or other operating systems. By the way, cell phones are all on Linux and this is a real alternative to Billam and Jobs, and if it trample, then Windows threatens to become a dinosaur.
        2. Axel Pervolianinen
          Axel Pervolianinen 1 August 2019 21: 10
          0
          They all have no credentials and no certification. And even more than that, since they are built from packages, and not from their source code, it will either fail to be certified at all or it will be very cheap ...
      2. Candidate of Military Sciences
        Candidate of Military Sciences 31 July 2019 18: 23
        0
        You are talking nonsense too. I've done all this many times at different times over the past 20 years. Any real production challenge always leads to certification. On free operating systems, you don't make a single paid product. They are free for a reason ... You only need to find out once how much this import substitution actually costs when solving real problems (I had to do this several times). And it will immediately become obvious to you that there is no point in changing the American for the pseudo-American at the current prices for the "free Russian". Only a few brands work honestly in Russia, which do not affect anything at all. They are also terribly unpopular. Excuse me, this is the reality today.
        1. poquello
          poquello 1 August 2019 00: 35
          0
          Quote: PhD in Military Science
          You are also talking nonsense.

          IMHO this is nonsense when I read and didn’t understand anything, well, how are you, ai
          Quote: PhD in Military Science
          how much does this import substitution actually cost when solving real problems
          ?
          1. Candidate of Military Sciences
            Candidate of Military Sciences 3 August 2019 04: 43
            -1
            You, in principle, are not smart, and very very strong. This is quite frankly your comments. And you are not a techie, but if a techie, then it’s very ... superficial.
        2. Axel Pervolianinen
          Axel Pervolianinen 1 August 2019 21: 17
          0
          And what does import substitution have to do with free? Import substitution is an issue in Russia, not a word about free ....
          Yes, and a license for a certified aster costs less than a penny ... But there will be a mandatory demarcation, trusted demarcation mechanisms, GOST encryption .... This is not in Windows, but if you need to, you will have to buy an add-in in the form of qp 7, qp10 and qpserver
          1. Candidate of Military Sciences
            Candidate of Military Sciences 3 August 2019 05: 40
            -1
            Thanks for the answer. But, free and paid - this is one, that’s the connection between them!
            Free formats brains, paid and only paid allows you to get to real money or work results. Who allowed himself to be formatted - will pay, already pay, he always paid.
            The vast majority of PC users, namely engineers, technicians, clerks, and management, are monkeys in the circus. When they speak, they don't even understand 10 percent of what they are doing with a particular software. First of all, they want to eat and go home from work early. But in order to live like this, you need to know at least one number with which you can perform in the arena - otherwise you will not see the Circus Maximus. So this number, which is called - "I can poke the Internet", they will work on that free software at home, which is used by the prospective employer. Therefore, for more than 30 years in Russia, approximately the following scheme has been working: first we distribute free (or "pirated") versions of software among monkeys, and then we force the employer to buy this software in full until he runs out of money or the brain will turn on ... and all because monkeys, except with this software, do not know how to work with anything else in the arena. At the same time, monkeys are very stupid and cruel creatures. They will not teach the new number, no matter how hard you try - they have a family and children, mother-in-law, grandparents and a lot, a lot of laziness and dullness in their brains. And they will not want to leave the circus of their own free will without a kick in the ass, too, if you, out of the best intentions, because of your carelessness, offer them this - they will begin to sabotage your entire show business and throw their poop at you. Such is the relationship between free and paid. It is very stable and strong and is inherited in the genes. It is this circumstance that has made me such a cynic in the matter of paid and free software over the 30 years indicated. ... And how great it all began 30 years ago ((.
            But not all live monkeys. Still, there is a layer of people that makes me wonderfully happy. There are so few of them, but today it is only because of them that I appear at work in the morning. For them, new software is not a problem, and it does not depend on their age or position or specialization. Half of my life I've puzzled over this phenomenon. And the solution turned out to be very simple - they really did well at school and university (or only at school, there were some), their knowledge was really worth something. But, this exception only confirms the above-described rule: "In IT, you can earn the most money on free software."
            I’ve been implementing new software and automated systems based on it for 30 years, 26 of them have been successful - believe me, my every word has been worked out many times
          2. Candidate of Military Sciences
            Candidate of Military Sciences 3 August 2019 05: 51
            -1
            Thanks for the answer. But, free and paid - this is one, that’s the connection between them!
            Free formats brains, paid and only paid allows you to get to real money or work results. Who allowed himself to be formatted - will pay, already pay, he always paid.
            The vast majority of PC users, namely engineers, technicians, clerks, and management, are monkeys in the circus. When they speak, they don't even understand 10 percent of what they are doing with a particular software. First of all, they want to eat and go home from work early. But in order to live like this, you need to know at least one number with which you can perform in the arena - otherwise you will not see the Circus Maximus. So this number, which is called - "I can poke the Internet", they will work on that free software at home, which is used by the prospective employer. Therefore, for more than 30 years in Russia, approximately the following scheme has been working: first we distribute free (or "pirated") versions of software among monkeys, and then we force the employer to buy this software in full until he runs out of money or the brain will turn on ... and all because monkeys, except with this software, do not know how to work with anything else in the arena. At the same time, monkeys are very stupid and cruel creatures. They will not teach the new number, no matter how hard you try - they have a family and children, mother-in-law, grandparents and a lot, a lot of laziness and dullness in their brains. And they will not want to leave the circus of their own free will without a kick in the ass, too, if you, out of the best intentions, because of your carelessness, offer them this - they will begin to sabotage your entire show business and throw their poop at you. Such is the relationship between free and paid. It is very stable and strong and is inherited in the genes. It is this circumstance that has made me such a cynic in the matter of paid and free software over the 30 years indicated. ... And how great it all began 30 years ago ((.
            But not all live monkeys. Still, there is a layer of people that makes me wonderfully happy. There are so few of them, but today it is only because of them that I appear at work in the morning. For them, new software is not a problem, and it does not depend on their age or position or specialization. Half of my life I've puzzled over this phenomenon. And the solution turned out to be very simple - they really did well at school and university (or only at school, there were some), their knowledge was really worth something. But, this exception only confirms the above-described rule: "In IT, you can earn the most money on free software."
            I’ve been implementing new software and automated systems based on it for 30 years, 26 of them have been successful - believe me, my every word has been worked out many times.
            Computers themselves will not work - they are needed to simplify and speed up the work of people. What does this mean in practice, I briefly described to you. A new OS is good ... in theory.
      3. Candidate of Military Sciences
        Candidate of Military Sciences 31 July 2019 18: 48
        -1
        One more thing. With us, import substitution is a good, right idea. Therefore, the names of the projects must also be "import substituted", otherwise everything will be in vain.
        In addition, at the hardware level, a computer, no matter how complex it may be, does not know any language at all. He knows only two numbers: "1" and "0" - and can only do three things: addition, subtraction and exponential raising to an integer power. Everything else is just derivatives of these capabilities, including neural networks and artificial intelligence based on them.
        If we want to be a Great Power, we urgently need to start using what actually does not have a language in our own language. Now, if this succeeds, then it will actually be worth the effort and money spent.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 31 July 2019 19: 05
          +3
          Do not reinvent the wheel, it is already invented. Who's stopping you from programming in machine codes. Or in assembler? True, how much will it be productive?
          1. Candidate of Military Sciences
            Candidate of Military Sciences 31 July 2019 19: 50
            0
            You will not believe. This is what really domestic developers have been doing with us, and for many years now - otherwise, an assurance with a guarantee of security begins to create problems that lead to immediate damage.
            You will never buy their products, but now it works on the whole territory of our and not only our state! )))
            OSes and their compatible software are just a way to enable many more far less competent programmers to program than those who "live in Assembler". It is important. And if at this stage the issue of security and accessibility of technology is not ensured, then all the work (and not only of the programmers) will go not for the good of the state, but for the piggy bank of the owners of imported technology - you better take my word for it, these people will never let the aborigines throw a stick and think about something productively.
        2. poquello
          poquello 1 August 2019 00: 38
          0
          Quote: PhD in Military Science
          He knows only two numbers: "1" and "0" - and can only do three things: addition, subtraction and exponential raising to an integer power. Everything else is just derivatives of these possibilities.

          uh, would you smoke a computer, or rather a processor, or rather shifts and a boolean, well, to refer to the right things
          1. Candidate of Military Sciences
            Candidate of Military Sciences 3 August 2019 06: 03
            -1
            Thanks for the advice )) ...
  4. Candidate of Military Sciences
    Candidate of Military Sciences 31 July 2019 17: 59
    -2
    What other import substitution - there is even the name of the partnership program in English! )))
    You are fooled, dear readers. There is no industry more enslaved by foreign technologies in Russia than IT. They are so brainwashed that they don’t even notice how they publicly scorch their entire office with giblets. They also live - everywhere one Latin.
    The process of "import substitution" is still superficial. The main thing is not changed. The desire to enjoy foreign debauchery is the only occupation of most IT employees. Siphoning out as much money as possible from uneducated biomass is one of the aspects of Russian IT activities today.
    Do not believe? Look at the price of OS Astra Linux ...
    And note, the Linux kernel is regularly written, but not in Russia! If you specify exactly where, you will have no doubt.
    1. Yura
      Yura 31 July 2019 18: 19
      +1
      Quote: PhD in Military Science
      And note, the Linux kernel is regularly written, but not in Russia!

      Which one? By whom?
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 31 July 2019 18: 33
        +1
        World community. Including Russian programmers.
      2. armata_armata
        armata_armata 31 July 2019 18: 37
        +2
        Which one? By whom?

        The one that forms the basis of Astra Linux is written mainly by its own creators - Linus Torvalds, Cox Alan, Greg Kroa-Hartman, but since the architecture is open, any developer can bring his own code to the kernel if approval passes
        1. poquello
          poquello 1 August 2019 00: 44
          0
          Quote: armata_armata
          any developer can bring their code to the kernel if approval passes

          ett for getting into open source
    2. Axel Pervolianinen
      Axel Pervolianinen 1 August 2019 21: 26
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      Uh ... Linux ideologist Linus Torvalds, and everyone writes sundry ... they compile even more people and different cores come out .... If you look at those who participated in the development of the kernel, it’s like, there are Russians from Russia ....
      Aster distribution costs 15 tyr. This is cheaper than redhat and take it out (where the server license for the kernel or for the connected computer is from 10 ty).
      It is very interesting that such "foreign technologies" can be international?
  5. armata_armata
    armata_armata 31 July 2019 18: 28
    +4

    Astra Linux and EOS have successfully tested the compatibility of their software products

    Linux turned out to be compatible with Linux software, well, this is news)) That's just a bit bent over its software products, so it’s worth remembering that the Linux kernel is an open architecture, and not their personal development
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 31 July 2019 18: 44
      +1
      Linux kernel yes, GNU GPL-2. And the "body kit" of the kernel can be anything, including proprietary and paid. The same RHEL is paid and not cheap.
      1. armata_armata
        armata_armata 31 July 2019 18: 45
        +4
        Linux kernel yes, GNU GPL-2. And the "body kit" of the kernel can be anything, including proprietary and paid. The same RHEL is paid and not cheap.

        No one will argue with this, but to call such an operating system your development or your software products is already superfluous ...
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 31 July 2019 18: 53
          +1
          "Astra Linux is the official Russian derivative of Debian GNU / Linux."
          This is a quote from the Astrasoft official site. As you can see not a single word about personal development, on the contrary: they emphasize that they stand on the shoulders of the giant.
          1. armata_armata
            armata_armata 31 July 2019 18: 56
            +3
            "Astra Linux is the official Russian derivative of Debian GNU / Linux."
            This is a quote from the Astrasoft official site. As you can see not a single word about personal development, on the contrary: they emphasize that they stand on the shoulders of the giant.

            Well, it means that in the article the mention of "our software products" must be removed
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 31 July 2019 19: 00
              +1
              Well, the French also beat their heels in the chest and called their Mandriva French. Although this is a fork of Red Hat.
            2. Axel Pervolianinen
              Axel Pervolianinen 1 August 2019 21: 33
              0
              What warps you? Astra is our product, there are many Rusbittech development modules, ranging from access control from the kernel level to the application level. Implementation of domestic encryption algorithms, trusted virtualization environment, with certificates of FSTEC and FSB.
              Personally, not a fan of this craft, but it’s jarring when they look west and Hyatt looks at what we’ve done ...
          2. AlexSam
            AlexSam 31 July 2019 20: 39
            0
            they just sell aster for such grandmothers, as if they themselves didn’t spare her belly ... business in all their glory ... and we are on soft bays, cut off, they want grandmothers for Windows, ghouls bourgeois ... and here ours - yes, this is power, import substitution and complete altruism!
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 31 July 2019 20: 47
              0
              All questions to FSTEC. Distributor price includes certification cost. Although, no doubt, from a security point of view, Astra is much preferable to Windows. For a private user, Astra, like most Linux, is free.
            2. ZAV69
              ZAV69 1 August 2019 13: 33
              0
              Before yanking, try to figure out how many human hours of working time you need to spend to collect from a heap of normal software and outright shit, often unfinished and abandoned distribution kit, and collect it so that it passes certification.
            3. Axel Pervolianinen
              Axel Pervolianinen 1 August 2019 21: 34
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              For what? 1.6 certificates of FSTEC and FSB 15 tyr per distribution .. for small soft ones from 10 tyr. kernel license for server ...
        2. poquello
          poquello 1 August 2019 00: 47
          -2
          Quote: armata_armata
          to call such an operating system its development or its software products is already superfluous ...

          go nuts, and windows on dos works
          1. armata_armata
            armata_armata 1 August 2019 06: 26
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            go nuts, and windows on dos works

            It doesn’t work, but the days of Windows 98 worked for about 15 years exactly how they passed ... MS-DOS was developed by Microsoft, and was completely their software product, so both the kernel in the form of MS-DOS and the graphical shell in the form of 1-3 Windows, and subsequent hybrids like 95 and 98 completely belonged to them
            1. poquello
              poquello 1 August 2019 18: 29
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              Quote: armata_armata
              go nuts, and windows on dos works

              It doesn’t work, but the days of Windows 98 have been working for 15 years already exactly as they passed ...

              com.com somewhere gone? )))))))))))
              differences NT console please tell me if the gopher is not visible this does not mean that it is not
              Quote: armata_armata
              MS-DOS was developed by Microsoft, and was completely their software product.

              grandfather didn’t tell about the ibm ps-dos product? and also about a bunch of dos, that is, the organization of the operating system, almost open-source, that is, the phenomenon of dos as a type of kernel in Linux, by the way partly from Unix stuffed, oh sorry, borrowed from some architecture).
              What is the difference between a small soft macroassembler and a Borlandian turbo assembler?
            2. Axel Pervolianinen
              Axel Pervolianinen 1 August 2019 21: 35
              +1
              Never was. Billy's boy bought Msdos. And dos developed even after Billy’s boy, independently .. but ....
              1. armata_armata
                armata_armata 1 August 2019 22: 55
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                Never was. Billy's boy bought Msdos. And dos developed even after Billy’s boy, independently ..

                Sorry, it was officially redeemed and developed after the purchase by Microsoft ... And do not confuse MS-DOS with all the board companies, as the commentator above, because the latter are different in functionality, in Windows to ME it was based on MS-DOS, but not on another dos. If Astra buys out the Linux kernel, then there won’t be any questions for it, now it uses it for free and this is not its software product
                com.com somewhere gone? )))))))))))
                differences NT console please tell me if the gopher is not visible this does not mean that it is not

                I highly recommend reading the principles of DOS and NT architecture, so as not to blurt out more such stupidity
                Specifically, what distinguishes a single-tasking OS (MS-DOS) from multi-tasking (NT), there’s even nothing to say
                grandfather didn’t tell about the ibm ps-dos product? and also about a bunch of dos, that is, the organization of the operating system, almost open-source, that is, the phenomenon of dos as a type of kernel in Linux, by the way partly from Unix stuffed, oh sorry, borrowed from some architecture

                Excellent now in order, and other dos when Windows to NT version and later was an add-on and bootloader MS-DOS? 86-DOS and all rights to it were completely acquired by Microsoft, after which he himself was developing his system ...
                Astra acquired the Linux kernel, began to independently and individually develop it?
                1. poquello
                  poquello 2 August 2019 01: 19
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                  Quote: armata_armata
                  And do not confuse MS-DOS with all desktop

                  ))) do not confuse dos with msdos, look stupid, early dos among themselves differed less than masm from tasm
                  Quote: armata_armata
                  If Astra buys Linux kernel

                  ))))) "he is a monument", smoke license
                  Quote: armata_armata
                  Highly recommend

                  Smoke the basics of wasps, well, or tell me something clever, a lot of things were added to the Linux kernel, but Linux didn’t become anything else from this, and how it was necessary to watch your small soft windows in dos, especially in terms of intentional incompatibility of versions
                  Quote: armata_armata
                  86-DOS and all rights to it were fully acquired by Microsoft,

                  if you don’t carry the blizzard, if you acquired the rights, half flies and 4dos would be pirated works, therefore, apart from the right to develop your system on dos, the small ones had no other rights
                  Quote: armata_armata
                  Astra acquired the Linux kernel, began to independently and individually develop it?

                  Android got a kernel?
                  1. armata_armata
                    armata_armata 2 August 2019 02: 10
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                    ))) do not confuse dos with msdos, look stupid, early dos among themselves differed less than masm from tasm

                    smoke the basics os, well, or tell me something smart thread in the Linux kernel was also added a lot of things, but Linux didn’t become anything else from this, and how it was necessary to watch small soft windows in dos, especially in terms of intentional incompatibility of versions

                    I don’t see any reason to talk with you, if you are so bad that you can’t understand the difference between a single-task and multi-task OS and you are sure that modern Windows is dos with windows, then there’s nothing to talk about ...
                    Thank you for dos, it was funny. Although probably for you now Linux and Fribizdi are the same thing, but what about the console in both))
                    do not carry a blizzard, with the acquisition of rights half flies and 4dos would be pirated works

                    What are you, who did they spiral from? Why didn’t they sue them? Although podgadat I hope you will not give me this line from Wikipedia))
                    86-DOS had a command structure and API that follows the command structure and API of Digital Research's CP / M operating system

                    consequently, apart from the right to develop their system on dos, their small rights did not have

                    It’s generally like, the company had no right to do anything other than develop its OS on the dos, they couldn’t do anything else? lol
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 2 August 2019 17: 32
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                      Quote: armata_armata
                      can't understand the difference between single-task and multi-task OS

                      conversation (the concrete truth does not work because you jump off, and therefore they write a little in magazines) about dos as the basis of windows, about other solutions of multitasking on dos, as I understand it, and did not hear at all
                      Quote: armata_armata
                      Thank you for dos, it was funny.

                      But can you learn more? but somehow laughter for no reason ..
                      Quote: armata_armata
                      What are you, who did they spiral from? Why didn’t they sue them?

                      )))) you know better why the soft ones did not sue os / 2 and 4dos, etc. with your version of all the rights of microsoft to dos)))))
                      1. armata_armata
                        armata_armata 2 August 2019 17: 49
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                        conversation (the concrete truth does not work because you jump off, and therefore they write a little in magazines) about dos as the basis of windows, about other solutions of multitasking on dos, as I understand it, and did not hear at all

                        Well, I realized that your windows is dos with windows and crutches to simulate multitasking laughing
                        "You are probably one of those who are sure that multitasking on Windows is provided by many dos, each of which hangs on its own cpu kernel" wassat
                        )))) you know better why the soft ones did not sue os / 2 and 4dos, etc. with your version of all the rights of microsoft to dos)))))

                        Oh, now os / 2 dos became good

                        Misir, aren't you tired of disgrace? drinks
                        But please continue, I haven’t had such fun for a long time;)
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 2 August 2019 17: 59
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                        Quote: armata_armata
                        crutches to simulate multitasking

                        laugh at yourself, smoke the conveyor
                      3. armata_armata
                        armata_armata 2 August 2019 18: 38
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                        laugh at yourself, smoke the conveyor

                        Those. you claim that the pipeline in NT is similar to MS-DOS and is a buffering space in which the code is stored in turn, one of the programs while another laughing And based on your logic, does NT have preemptive multitasking? good
                      4. poquello
                        poquello 2 August 2019 18: 45
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                        conveyor this is an imitation of multitasking
                        Quote: armata_armata
                        Those. You claim that the pipeline in NT is similar to MS-DOS

                        there is no conveyor in dos, there are residents
                        Quote: armata_armata
                        preemptive multitasking

                        what multitasking?
                      5. armata_armata
                        armata_armata 2 August 2019 18: 51
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                        conveyor this is an imitation of multitasking

                        This is news, it turns out the conveyor is only for imitation, then you see it is only in dos, in Unix and nt is absent (because there is no imitation) winked
                        there is no conveyor in dos, there are residents

                        So cutting the conveyor from the dos, wow))
                        what multitasking?

                        Google preemptive and non-preemptive multitasking, and we’re crowding out the difference hi
                      6. poquello
                        poquello 2 August 2019 19: 02
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                        Quote: armata_armata
                        it turns out the conveyor is only for imitation, see

                        in, in order to simulate, that is, for the distribution of shreds, and you see multitasking, because everything is in microseconds, in Unixes everything is abstracted, therefore, Unixes are better implemented in this regard
                        Quote: armata_armata
                        sawing conveyor from a dos

                        not "from" a "to"
                        Quote: armata_armata
                        google

                        Have you tried smoking books?
                      7. armata_armata
                        armata_armata 2 August 2019 19: 07
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                        in, in order to simulate, that is, for the distribution of shreds, and you see multitasking, because everything is in microseconds, in Unixes everything is abstracted, therefore, Unixes are better implemented in this regard

                        Yes, understanding the interaction of the OS with iron at a height ... About the possibility of performing several processes in parallel, you probably should not tell (and by the way, this is precisely what multitasking is) winked
                        Have you tried smoking books?

                        No dear friend, just read ... Maybe if I tried to smoke, I was also sure that the modern Windows dos with a graphical shell hi
                      8. poquello
                        poquello 2 August 2019 19: 22
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                        Quote: armata_armata
                        interactions of OS with iron at height

                        ) what height? wasps with iron is the lowest level
                        Quote: armata_armata
                        the ability to run multiple processes in parallel

                        ) This is the hardware of the process, for example, the operation of the printer))))))
                        Quote: armata_armata
                        I was also sure that the modern Windows dos with a graphical shell

                        once again, do not drive the blizzard, windows is made on the basis of the dos - that's all I say, without your thoughts
                      9. armata_armata
                        armata_armata 2 August 2019 19: 34
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                        ) This is the hardware of the process, for example, the operation of the printer))))))

                        Under the table wassat good laughing
                        Not really, don’t wink By the way, what the hell do you need the OS if you parallelize the processes themselves))
                        By the way, does the hardware also handle interrupt handling for the printer? laughing
                        ps By the way, thank you, a person will ask me what your program is so wonderful it slows me down and only uses one processor core, but I’m sorry because it’s the hardware part of the processor that can’t parallel it, and not that I’m for the OS like that wrote that the latter cannot break it into streams and send them to the calculation wassat
  • Mestny
    Mestny 31 July 2019 19: 02
    +1
    Well, when the Windows software doesn’t work for them - this is probably normal. This is the United States, they can.
    And when ours check their software for compatibility - this is of course unacceptable, everything was stolen by the oligarchs.
    1. armata_armata
      armata_armata 31 July 2019 19: 06
      +2
      Well, when the Windows software doesn’t work for them - this is probably normal. This is the United States, they can.
      On whom and what software does not work?
      And when ours check their software for compatibility - this is of course unacceptable, everything was stolen by the oligarchs.
      Who's stopping our software from checking for compatibility, and where do the oligarchs? request
  • aiden
    aiden 31 July 2019 19: 39
    +2
    Linux is free, and programmers do it for free (including me). And I am against the work of thousands of people being used for commercial purposes, for the sake of the whims of officials. And the fact that on the finished distribution they change the name to their own is disgusting and insignificant. Duck make third world countries
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 31 July 2019 19: 44
      +1
      Linux is not free, it is free. Do not confuse these concepts. A free product may be paid, and a proprietary one free, although most often it is the other way around. The same RHEL for corporate use is also paid.
    2. Axel Pervolianinen
      Axel Pervolianinen 1 August 2019 21: 40
      +2
      Strange words sound ... You do what? Linux kernel or software for nix systems?
      If the core, then I'm sorry it is in a huge number of paid products. If the source of the software is the one where did you get that your software is in the aster? Yes, and gnu allows you to use the code after processing in paid products or in pure form, but without direct sale ... So if you build a distribution kit with a mark on the wildebeest and charge a fee for your add-ons, then there are no violations ... You don’t swear on redhat ???
  • Tavrik
    Tavrik 31 July 2019 21: 23
    +2
    Astra is a normal operating system for your tasks. An important advantage is constant development and improvement. What's the point of writing everything of your own "from scratch" when you can take open source, which has been created by the entire community for more than 15 years? Proven by millions of installations. The primordial Russian code in Cyrillic, sculpted by church-going programmers, will always be worse than what is written "by the whole world." What goal do we pursue, creating our own "from scratch", when there is a common knowledge along and across? And even certified by the competent authorities. And now they do the right thing that different software is combined with Astra. The more software, the more popular the operating system.
  • Clueless
    Clueless 1 August 2019 09: 57
    +1
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    Secondly: Astralinux is free for personal use.

    You don’t have to be very smart to put this product at home :) It's the same as putting a wiretap at home and giving the key to the safe where the money is for our special services
    1. ZAV69
      ZAV69 1 August 2019 13: 48
      +1
      And the fact that a bucket or a stub is already listening to you and watching, as I understand it, doesn’t it bother you anymore? But the possible attention of our special services not only bothers you, but also brings you so old and horrified ....
      I’m wondering one thing, why do people begin to believe that if the system has been certified by our special services, does this mean that there is always a FSB backdoor?
      1. nesvobodnaja
        nesvobodnaja 1 August 2019 14: 51
        0
        As in the ancient joke: "Hello, is this the KGB? You are not working well ..." Well, then everything is known. )
    2. Axel Pervolianinen
      Axel Pervolianinen 1 August 2019 21: 43
      0
      Well, as if they wrote stupidity ... What does the special service and open distribution have to do with it ???? Or the fact that for state authorities if they did then ordinary citizens will spy ??? And who needs you))))))
      Open free is a good tone. The distribution is primarily for educational institutions ... Yes, and backdoors in it if they find (especially special) this is a scandal ...
  • Mentat
    Mentat 1 August 2019 16: 34
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    Quote: Jura
    See the difference in system performance

    The average user will not see it from the word at all.

    and also understand why on some systems even an antivirus is not needed

    I need it. Again, the average user, they are talking about. Linux viruses exist and new ones appear. And for a specialist and under Windows, an antivirus is only an extra load on the system.

    do not worry about the software, as that "comrade" is higher, as he went to bed fifteen years ago, he is still sleeping, or pretending to be.

    Although Linux is gaining a “living space” at a good pace, it remains a system either for enthusiasts or for working in narrow areas or conditions, such as the conditions for working with confidential information mentioned in this article. And in some areas, Windows still does not represent an alternative. For example, work with video and photo materials.
    1. poquello
      poquello 1 August 2019 18: 51
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      Quote: Mentat
      Although Linux is gaining a “living space” at a good pace, it remains a system either for enthusiasts,

      is it like enthusiasts increased? leading Linux distributions have long been more convenient than Windows, that's growing
      1. ZAV69
        ZAV69 1 August 2019 19: 08
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        Yes, no hell they are not more convenient. About 5 years ago I sat tightly on linux, constantly tormented, then the word text will turn it out through s% No., then something else. I uploaded mp3 from an Internet, a playlist with quasi-jabs, if you please, use a tegremove program. With the Windows domain in general, almost nothing .... Because of corporate problems I went to Windows. Recently, asus tried to install linux on a new laptop, it was an epic. Normally I got up only opensexy. He looked at the new dwarf, went with sorrow for wine, so he was sober. He screwed it up.
        Wherever you go, everything is unfinished, half-thrown. With all the wealth of software, one squalor.
        And at work, almost all the hardware of the Montavista linukh and also the on-line linuk from Alsitek company. Every day I go by telnet.
        1. poquello
          poquello 1 August 2019 21: 33
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          Quote: ZAV69
          About 5 years ago I sat tightly on linux, constantly tormented, then the word text will turn out through s% No.

          )))) Linux then what ?, it is indicative, however, use the libra office in Windows too
          Quote: ZAV69
          Uploaded mp3 from an Internet, playlist quasi-gigs

          ett to fans of the Windows text console questions, here in the e-mail the amateurs seem to have already transferred;
          Quote: ZAV69
          He looked at the new dwarf, went with grief for wine,

          gnome3 IMHO the best table for today, at least a dozen windows, although it mows slightly, is less convenient, but this is subjective, who needs to stick out lists in all corners may not like it
          Quote: ZAV69
          Wherever you go, everything is unfinished, half-thrown.

          where don't you go?
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 1 August 2019 19: 13
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    Quote: poquello
    this is also not the case, the share of desktop Linux is definitely more than 5% and is constantly growing

    I have heard this song for about 20 years, and maybe more. Only the song sounds, and linukha no longer becomes.
    Until at the level of the president and the government they decide to switch to linuh in the authorities and the government, the fig will not change, and even then, breaking the dominance of Windows will be very difficult. bureaucrats excuses so much come up just to stay in the familiar surroundings.
    1. poquello
      poquello 1 August 2019 21: 38
      0
      Quote: ZAV69
      I have heard this song for about 20 years, and maybe more. Only the song sounds, and linukha no longer becomes.

      forgot to add "in my subjective opinion"
      1. ZAV69
        ZAV69 1 August 2019 22: 24
        +1
        I went around all the enterprises in the area as needed. Linux saw only in schools about 5 years ago, forced to deliver. This year he was no longer there.
        1. poquello
          poquello 1 August 2019 23: 39
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          Quote: ZAV69
          I went around all the enterprises in the area as needed. Linux saw only in schools about 5 years ago, forced to deliver. This year he was no longer there.

          Can you release a district globe to start? in fairness, I agree - at our enterprises a specific nursery of Windows, and at least half are pirated
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      1. ZAV69
        ZAV69 2 August 2019 00: 53
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        Maybe I didn’t put it that way? Folders and files could be put, but there is no double-clicking to open, naturally they opened from applications. How could the icon display affect this? I put the dwarf six months ago, in principle, they could have already corrected
        1. poquello
          poquello 2 August 2019 01: 27
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          Quote: ZAV69
          open double click no

          everything opens, naturally if the file extension is tied to the corresponding program, as everywhere else in general
  • Clueless
    Clueless 2 August 2019 05: 26
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    Quote: ZAV69
    And the fact that a bucket or a stub is already listening to you and watching, as I understand it, doesn’t it bother you anymore? But the possible attention of our special services not only bothers you, but also brings you so old and horrified ....
    I’m wondering one thing, why do people begin to believe that if the system has been certified by our special services, does this mean that there is always a FSB backdoor?


    This is not a gram that does not bother, for unlike our specialists, who are with mlr. they’ll catch rubles at home, they won’t put me in jail on a far-fetched pretext :)

    He’s not there necessarily, he’s definitely there. For it is logical :)
  • Wengr
    Wengr 2 August 2019 06: 37
    0
    Yes damn, until the last defended his computer. He went on vacation, put Astra. Now I correct the document by the hour.
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 2 August 2019 07: 55
    +1
    Quote: Bad
    This is not a gram that does not bother, for unlike our specialists, who are with mlr. they’ll catch rubles at home, they won’t put me in jail on a far-fetched pretext :)

    Well, yes, a killer argument. But they don’t put every person they meet, there must be a minimum reason.
    Quote: Bad
    He’s not there necessarily, he’s definitely there. For it is logical :)

    But just not logical. They certify for use in government bodies and the Ministry of Defense, and precisely so that there would be no holes. If you leave a hole for yourself, a probable opponent will find it sooner or later.