Who won and who lost in Ukraine

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The next stage of the struggle for power in Ukraine after the parliamentary elections is approaching the finish line. In September, it will become clear what kind of power has been established in this state torn by contradictions. Both internal and external forces are involved in this struggle, whose goals and interests are fundamentally different. Of internal forces, this is Zelensky with his like-minded people, oligarchs, pro-Nazi and “pro-Russian” forces and the population of the country. Of the external players - two superpowers: the United States, personifying the "collective" West, and Russia.





What elections showed


The elections showed the results achieved by internal and external forces in the struggle for power in Ukraine. Formally, Zelensky and his party “The Servant of the People” won an indisputable majority, he had a blank check for the full power in the country and the independent formation of state governance structures. Outwardly, it looks that way, but one should not forget that he did not come to power on his own. Behind him stands the “godfather” Kolomoisky, as well as the Trump people who led and led him, starting with the election campaign. Now at the political Olympus, there are three centers of power: Zelensky with his inner circle and the people of Trump and Kolomoisky in his team. The new president would like to be an independent figure and pursue his policy, but who will allow him that! Two other centers have placed around him looking and clearly mark the corridor of its capabilities.

In this regard, Zelensky is far from independent in making decisions; all his activities will be to search for compromises between these centers of power, and who he will become, an independent statesman or a puppet in the hands of Americans or Kolomoisky, depends on many factors. So far, he has not shown his will, attempts by his entourage to present him as president have not been successful, and the masses already called him Zeal for the spinelessness. He has not yet used the credit of trust issued by the population; other centers of power beat him up.

Approximately the same situation at the end of 90-x was in Russia, when Yeltsin's entourage brought Putin to power. Then the president found strength and defended state interests, although the remnants of Yeltsinism are still attached to power.

USA to Ukraine main beneficiary


The main beneficiary in Ukraine, of course, is the United States, for them this party was initially a win-win. No matter who wins the election, he will pursue a pro-American policy in Ukraine, there is no other way. Having provoked a coup in Ukraine, the United States pursued the goal of creating an anti-Russian base from Ukraine to put pressure on Russia. The unleashing of the war in the Donbas and the Nazi terror, organized by the Poroshenko regime, turned Ukraine into a Russophobic state, and it will be very difficult to return it to the pre-war state. Ukraine has become different, and the concept of US actions has begun to change compared with 2014. Military operations in the Donbas require only expenses from the USA, and business wants to earn money in this territory.

Western corporations would like to invest in arable land, ports, railways, and banking and make money from it. Therefore, Zele got into the head that the privatization of land was inevitable, and he had repeatedly stated this. As you know, “money loves silence,” and in order for them to enter Ukraine, the country needs peace, and ending the war at this stage can work for the interests of the United States. The desire of the overwhelming majority of the population for peace and the statements of Zeli fit well into this concept. The war in the Donbass can be stopped not because the population of Ukraine wants it, but because it can be profitable for the United States, they now do not want to spend money on Ukraine, but earn in this territory, and the war only hinders it.

The cessation of war and the establishment of trade, but not friendly, and especially allied, relations between Ukraine and Russia will reduce the expenses of Americans for the maintenance of a thieving Ukrainian government, and they can earn here. Especially since it all fits into Trump's strategy for the economic payback of political action abroad. In this direction, the US can interact with Russia, but Ukraine must remain a Russophobic state and under the new government. These trends have long been caught by Kolomoisky, and his "peace-loving" rhetoric and attempts to please Russia speak of the insight of this cynic.

Prospects for the oligarchy


The Ukrainian oligarchy (except for Kolomoisky) suffered serious losses in this election, almost all the lured political heavyweights, on which the oligarchs always put, flew. The oligarchs managed to get their people into parliament on party lists, but most of them are not from the first echelon of politicians; they still have to gain political weight to solve the tasks to which they have been delegated.

Akhmetov suffered the most serious losses, for the first time he will not have his own factions in parliament and, in all likelihood, there will not be any influential figures in power. Pinchuk in this campaign was focused on Soros and the American Democrats with their nourished Vakarchuk and the Voice party, which the Americans had a hard time pushing into parliament. This party received less than six percent of the vote and will have no influence in parliament. Moreover, Pinchuk's position is not as stable in the light of Trump’s irreconcilable enmity with Democrats. Firtash Americans banned in advance from the game, accusing him of financial fraud and achieving extradition to the United States, where he was awaited by an American court. By this move, the United States deprived the party of Medievalchuk - Boyko’s main “financial bag”.

Kolomoisky with his project “The Servant of the People”, which he launched in 2016 year with the release of the film of the same name, received the greatest dividends in this campaign. This cynic is the most serious player in the Ukrainian political field, and he will try to make maximum use of the results of the victory of Zelia in increasing his capital. According to experts, Kolomoisky in parliament has about fifty of his deputies, and he may have a “golden share” when making fundamental decisions in parliament.

There are serious contradictions between the two centers of power, the Americans and Kolomoisky, and their interests do not coincide in all. The USA is a stronger center of influence, the power of a superpower is behind them, so Kolomoisky will be forced to act only as a subordinate within the corridor set aside for him, in which he can rob the state. Knowing his indefatigable appetites and lack of principle in achieving commercial goals, Americans would not really like to see him surrounded by a new president, but he is already there, and his people have entered the closest circle of significant figures, and it is not so easy even for Americans to remove him from there. Nevertheless, a compromise can be reached between them, for example, now Poromoisko is stripping off Poroshenko’s hands, other oligarchs may turn out to be, and pragmatic Americans do not disdain to use his services to start an oligarchic war.

The Nazi government led by Poroshenko in this political cycle suffered a crushing defeat. Since 2014, the president, the parliament with the constitutional majority and the state vertical ensured the construction of the Nazi state, all power was in their hands. Now all this is lost, and they go into opposition. Only three pro-Nazi parties with a scanty result passed to the parliament, all together they own less than 17% of votes, and mostly they are not from the first echelon of politicians, they can not decide anything in parliament, and their lot is to organize provocations and hysterics about betrayal of ideals putschists.

There are no representation in the parliament from the population of the Southeast, the so-called “pro-Russian” forces in the person of the Medvedchuk-Boyko HMIC, declaring that they represent the Southeast, have no relation to it, they solve their purely commercial issues under this “roof” . This party will have its small (to 50 deputies) faction, which will be in opposition and also will not be able to decide anything. The benefit of this faction will still be, at the parliamentary level, it can declare the need to normalize relations with Russia and defend its position.

This party does not enjoy special support in Ukraine, as it has repeatedly proved itself a treacherous entity, in its lists only the odious environment of the beneficiaries of this party business project of Medvedchuk and Firtash, there is not a single representative of the South-East. The Russian leadership is focused on this group, since there is no one else to lean on, as they say, on bezrybe and cancer fish.

Public protest and Pyrrhic victory


Apparently, the most important conclusion from what happened is that a mass protest against the ruling and opposition camarilla spontaneously ripened in society. The most interesting thing is that no one practically campaigned for this, the population massively throughout the country refused to trust the ruling regime. There was no such unanimity in Ukraine, it was a protest vote against the system of power built by the Nazis, and the sentence to their course. Only the islands of the old government remained, which lead the rearguard battles and go to the marginal field.

This is undoubtedly an achievement, the society did not want to see the Nazis who went bankrupt en masse, and this is not the credit of Zeli, if someone else was in his place, the same thing would have happened, people just got tired of military and Nazi hysteria and want peace and calm in the country. Society has not yet defeated Nazism, it is a passive vote without weapons and the barricades suspended its evolution, but the results may not be what they expected.

The virtual servant of the people party that came to power and its exotic leader do not say anything concrete about ways to solve the problems facing the country, but they confidently say about the implementation of the ideas of libertarianism, which imply the removal from the state of almost all social obligations to protect the population. To raise the living standards of the population, huge investments are also needed in the destroyed economy of Ukraine, but no one is going to invest anything there, without this, the standard of living will only fall.

A natural question arises: will the population receive the satisfaction of their inquiries by voting massively for Zel in the hope that he will pursue a policy in the public interest? I think that everyone is waiting for complete disappointment, their idol won and got full power, but he has no resources to implement the promised. This victory can be Pyrrhic, it does not have a real team and specialists for carrying out transformations. There is also no program of necessary actions, in his environment too many people, to say the least, pursuing completely different goals, and the main beneficiary of the United States does not set the goal of creating a prosperous state in Ukraine.

At this stage, there is a serious confrontation between the three centers of power, between Zelei and his inner circle, who are trying to make him a strong and independent president, between Zelei and Kolomoisky, who needs a weak and decisive self-interested president, and between Zeleas and Americans who need confidence sitting in his chair president and unconditionally fulfilling their commands. What center of power will win, while it is difficult to say, this process is complex, it depends on many factors inside and outside Ukraine.
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  1. +10
    4 August 2019 05: 28
    The people need bread and circuses. Zelensky will not be able to give bread to the people, therefore, spectacles remain to maintain the rating.
    Poroshenko understood everything correctly and, together with his family, fled from Ukraine so that they would not be taken in a cage around the country.
    1. +1
      4 August 2019 05: 40
      Clown spectacles just give can
      1. +8
        4 August 2019 08: 53
        Quote: Comrade
        Poroshenko understood everything correctly and, together with his family, fled from Ukraine so that they would not be taken in a cage around the country.

        I also believe that Poroshenko escaped from Ukraine! Moreover fled with the surrender connivance of Zelensky himself as president of Ukraine:
        - On the one hand, under US pressure on Zelensky in defense of Poroshenko.
        - On the other hand, with the consent of the same Kolomoisky! For it is clear that in the absence of Poroshenko in Ukraine, Koloisky will have "free hands" to clean up Poroshenko's assets.

        Well, they did say that while Poroshenko was under investigation, he should not be allowed out of the country! No, released!

        Truly, the raven will not pierce the raven's eye!
        1. +2
          4 August 2019 09: 42
          At this stage, there is a serious confrontation between the three centers of power, 1) between Zelya and his inner circle, striving to make him a strong and independent president, 2) between Zelya and Kolomoisky, who needs a weak and decisive president, and 3) between Zelya and the Americans, who need a president who is confidently sitting in his chair and unconditionally fulfilling their commands. What center of power will win is hard to say, this process is complicated, he It depends on many factors inside and outside Ukraine.

          Whichever of these 3's power centers in Ukraine won, the MAIN thing is that all of them are historically globalistic and politically economically still directed against Russia!

          Intelligence: Andrei Vajra on the origin of Ukrainians Published: 18 Feb. 1916
          1. +8
            4 August 2019 12: 03
            About the same situation in the late 90s was in Russia, when Yeltsin’s entourage brought Putin to power. Then the president found strength and defended state interests

            In what?

            Let me remind you that under EBN there was a state transfer of property from through predatory privatization. Putin condemned this, but immediately stated that the revision of predatory privatization will not be... and continued to do the same as his predecessor Yeltsin.

            the remnants of Yeltsinism are still attached to power.

            Clear business. After all, nothing has changed. These remnants, and then their children, will continue to rule us.
        2. +2
          4 August 2019 11: 47
          Quote: Tatiana
          Well, they did say that while Poroshenko was under investigation, he should not be allowed out of the country! No, released!

          It will be exactly the same slider as M. Saakashvili, against whom a bunch of criminal cases have been brought up in Georgia. Both, "at the place of registration" have their own "support group" in the person of local Nazis, who at the right time are activated to put pressure on the authorities, and therefore the United States needs them not as political figures, but as an irritating factor. In addition, mattresses are not profitable to see their former protégés in the dock, because they can tell the world about the unseemly activities of the United States in Georgia and Ukraine in all colors, and therefore have a "green ticket" and are not a priori subject to jurisdiction.
          1. -1
            4 August 2019 18: 58
            In addition, mattresses are not profitable to see their former protégés in the dock, since they can tell the world about the unseemly activities of the United States in Georgia and Ukraine in all colors, and therefore have a "green ticket" and are a priori not subject to jurisdiction.

            I strongly disagree with this statement. They're not crazy after all. As soon as they "speak" - they will immediately get "myocardial infarction" or something similar. With one, probably, exception, if only they are in the FSB pre-trial detention center of the Russian Federation. And that is not a fact. They will be silent about the intrigues of the United States as "fish on ice" ...
            1. +1
              4 August 2019 19: 00
              Quote: Honest Citizen
              With the only, perhaps, exception, if only they will be in the pre-trial detention center of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation.

              To prevent this scenario, the Americans themselves will suffocate them.
    2. +10
      4 August 2019 06: 40
      With the advent of Ukraine, nothing will change. Everything logically goes to the collapse of under-state. Do not stitch or glue. The point of no return was passed on Maidan 2014. Yes, Svidomo forgive me, they have added to their own selves.winked
      1. Underwater hunter
        -6
        4 August 2019 08: 51
        Apparently, the most important conclusion from what happened is that a mass protest against the ruling and opposition camarilla spontaneously ripened in society.

        The protest has not yet ripened, but rather is ripening, so far at the household level, everything is like ours .. The only difference is that there are at least elections taking place, which, however, are useless.

        Quote: siberalt
        With the advent of Ukraine, nothing will change. Everything logically goes to the collapse of under-state. Do not stitch or glue. The point of no return was passed on Maidan 2014. Yes, Svidomo forgive me, they have added to their own selves.

        That's right.
        1. +3
          4 August 2019 08: 57
          Quote: Underwater Hunter
          everything is like ours ... which, however, are useless

          Panesla-aaaas fellow
          1. Underwater hunter
            -3
            4 August 2019 09: 05
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Panesla-aaaas

            Kitty, have you been attached to me? laughing You react with amazing speed, I haven’t finished it yet, and you’re already here, as here wassat
        2. -1
          5 August 2019 20: 12
          Quote: Underwater Hunter
          everything is like ours.

          There, Zelya is an agent of the influence of amers, and our leader dances to the tune of Xi Jinping.
          That’s the whole difference.
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      2. -1
        4 August 2019 10: 19
        collapse of under-state

        Tochnyak, Ukraine will definitely fall apart this time fellow
      3. +5
        4 August 2019 10: 23
        I think it will not fall apart .. they will not give "partners" .. it will become big Latvia from where everyone left for Europe .. but everyone shouts the west save .. I think it will stop there ...
      4. 0
        4 August 2019 11: 04
        No, it’s not yet another 30 years, you can and will not wait
    3. +2
      4 August 2019 09: 09
      Quote: Comrade
      Poroshenko understood everything correctly and, together with his family, fled from Ukraine so that they would not be taken in a cage around the country.

      hi
      Yes, the number of claims against Pan Waltzman is growing every day, which is constantly reminded by the RRB. I wonder when will the quantity turn into quality and the persons involved in the crimes will end up in a cage, or will the "drum" turn out to be another child's clapperboard?
    4. BAI
      +2
      4 August 2019 10: 48
      Quote: Comrade

      Poroshenko understood everything correctly and, together with his family, fled from Ukraine so that they would not be taken in a cage around the country.

      Rather - highly recommended. Americans are not at all profitable for him to be on trial. You never know what he will say there.
      1. -1
        5 August 2019 00: 22
        how do you imagine that? if he doesn’t return, by default all 13 episodes will be re-qualified (for now) from the witness to the accused - I agree that Benin is playing a game though he said that he’s not a vindictive hut at night ... and the deputy and Walker will not help. and Petruha knows that he will have the land if he does not return. Although he is a huckster, a marauder a fascist but a fighter .... I think he will return. although the konesh of the current government is very tempted to write off all this post-paid tresak at once
    5. 0
      4 August 2019 12: 29
      Quote: Comrade
      Poroshenko understood everything correctly and, together with his family, fled from Ukraine so that they would not be taken in a cage around the country.

      I think that his receiver, due to insurmountable circumstances, will face the same fate.
      1. 0
        4 August 2019 18: 29
        Quote: major147
        I think that his receiver, due to insurmountable circumstances, will face the same fate.

        hi
        I will not wang about a successor, but the "geese" from Waltzman's flock were drawn to the places of permanent residence:
        1. +1
          5 August 2019 14: 37
          Quote: Lelek
          I will not wang about a successor, but the "geese" from Waltzman's flock were drawn to the places of permanent residence:

          So these are "spent", and the "newly appointed" apparently awaits the same fate, if the "patriots" do not slam them earlier.
    6. -1
      8 August 2019 04: 45
      Who escaped to where? Where do you get this nonsense?)
  2. 0
    4 August 2019 05: 38
    Comrade Yuri Apukhtin. I give a hint on the topic - a breakdown of industrial .... Well, Ahmet. eg. Peace be upon him, whose driver. and maybe still remember what his name was? I'm talking about Zakharchenko. Well, the agricultural oligarchs. Kolomoisky, Piglet ... Really do not understand what I mean? And there’s something to talk about, take the topic - the confrontation between industrial and agricultural oligarchs during the initial (wild capitalism) accumulation
  3. +3
    4 August 2019 05: 58
    Now, when Pasha Klimkin and Stepa Poltorak are removed, and someone is appointed in their place, then it will be possible to talk about Z.’s policy. hi
    1. +3
      4 August 2019 06: 50
      Watch TV shaky. There the question is posed to put Poroshenko first of all right now. Otherwise, green voters will be extremely unhappy.
      1. +11
        4 August 2019 07: 03
        Watch TV shaky.

        Pah-pah-pah over the left shoulder. I practically do not watch Russian TV because of the vomiting-nauseating effect.
        "TIME WILL SHOW" on First, when Ukrainian Svidomo, Russian "patriot" and Polish master are yelling at each other at the same time, and charming Ekaterina Strizhenova, making a silly face, asks idiotic questions, can outshine all CIS TV channels combined. sad
      2. Underwater hunter
        +2
        4 August 2019 08: 53
        Quote: siberalt
        Watch TV shaky. There the question is posed to put Poroshenko first of all right now. Otherwise, green voters will be extremely unhappy.

        Poroshenko will not be allowed to land Americans, all the same as with Saakashvili ..
    2. +4
      4 August 2019 09: 31
      Quote: Amateur
      Now, when Pasha Klimkin and Stepa Poltorak are removed, and someone is appointed in their place, then it will be possible to talk about Z.’s policy.

      hi
      And what will change in the political space of Ruins as a state? Never mind. Klimkins, one and a half, Turchinov’s, parubia, Gerashchenka, Kolomoisky and other abominations will change (some have already changed shoes), change the color to the tone of the current situation, but the vector of the Ruin, designated and approved by the overseas overlord, will not change. Could have been a change if there had been a powerful (rather than 24 percent) pro-Ukrainian opposition (Medvedchuk), but to this day it is at least minimal, and the authorities still have the same shoe shoes as the Chugunkins.
  4. +2
    4 August 2019 05: 59
    “According to experts, Kolomoisky has about fifty of his deputies in parliament .." - Kolomoisky has his own president, that there are deputies there.
    1. +4
      4 August 2019 07: 40
      Actually, according to the Ukrainian constitution, it’s not the president, but the Rada who plays the first violin. And Kolomoisky and the president and deputies. It will be more accurate.
  5. 0
    4 August 2019 06: 02
    It seems that Greens will still show himself in bloody affairs and even worse than Valtsman ..
    1. +2
      4 August 2019 06: 57
      Quote: Biveni
      It seems that Greens will still show himself in bloody affairs and even worse than Valtsman ..

      Already...
    2. +1
      4 August 2019 09: 34
      Quote: Biveni
      It seems that Greens will still show himself in bloody affairs

      hi
      Already shown. Fingers in the palm of the blood of the Donbass.
      1. +4
        4 August 2019 10: 00
        Quote: Lelek
        Already shown. Fingers in the palm of the blood of the Donbass.

        Everything goes to this .. While Green will entertain voters according to the script of the series "Servant of the People" .. Behind his back they will kill, kill and rob to the delight of the State Department. While these "God's chosen" are in power in Kiev, sacrificial blood will flow endlessly. their offspring camouflaged. soldier You can kick
  6. +3
    4 August 2019 06: 14
    What’s the saying ..
    "Do not count your chickens before they are hatched"...
    Here is the whole layout and see in the fall.
    1. +5
      4 August 2019 07: 50
      Total alignment? It will have to wait sooo long ...
      This series will be included in the book of records as the longest.
      Our grandchildren will also watch it.
    2. +3
      4 August 2019 09: 52
      Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
      Here is the whole layout and see in the fall.

      hi
      And what will change before the fall? Well, the leader of the Ze tribe will once again go with a petition to the overseas "sanctuary", pokamlata with a tambourine upon arrival, but this will not make the Natsik pigeons, the purse will not break out from the abundance of gold, production will not jump under the "clouds", pots on their heads will become wreaths of daisies, gas in the kitchens of householders will not become cheaper and the batteries will not become warmer, and the puppeteer will not allow "freezing" and go off the track planned for years to come. Here is an oil painting (IMHO).
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  8. +7
    4 August 2019 06: 38
    An article from the category of "nothing". The topic is not disclosed from the word "completely".
    The United States is, of course, the main beneficiary in Ukraine; for them, this party was initially a win-win. Whoever wins the election, he will pursue pro-American politics in Ukraine; no other is given here.

    Actually, these two sentences are the whole article. The rest is water and a story for a person who does not follow events in the world at all.
  9. +5
    4 August 2019 06: 42
    They threw our oligarchs in the division ...
  10. -4
    4 August 2019 07: 11
    A little about "serials" and "film critics". Today, writing about Ukraine means “wasting ink” - we have to wait for the release of “new episodes of the new season” of the Servant of the People series. In the meantime, one can only guess (not even predict and analyze) what awaits Ukraine. By the way, there are so many fortune-tellers that it is no longer interesting and not relevant. This is the first thing. And the second thing. Don't be like the trolls from the Information Wars series. Any person must be respected, regardless of citizenship, etc. I'm talking about humiliating things - "Zelya", "Green", etc. In our media, this "familiarity" only widens the "crack" between us and Ukraine. No, of course, if the author is familiar and is friends with Zelensky since the time of joint games in KVN, then he has the right to call President Zelensky that, but he must definitely indicate that this is an article for his own - KVNschikov ... as they say in a fun party: "KVNschikov there are no former ")))
  11. +8
    4 August 2019 07: 31
    The fact is that those who voted for Zelensky and the "Servant of the People", and there are a majority of such people in "Ukraine", voted, first of all, against Poroshenko, whom they could not stand. For anyone, just not for Poroshenko. As you can see, the result is obvious, Valtsman barely got into the Ukrainian parliament, gaining only 8%, with a passing ball of 5. The second pro-Nazi candidate Vakarchuk also stood at the critical level, just over 5%. They received their votes mainly in the West of "Ukraine", where the specifically tuned pro-Nazi electorate.
    The so-called past "oppositionists" Medvedchuk, Boyko, Vilkul and Muraev disappointed both Russia, whose policy towards today's "Ukraine" can be called VISIBLE, and the definitely-minded people in "Ukraine, who can be called pro-Russian. First, they, for some reason- they "split into two branches, which makes both Vilkul and Muraev suspect bribery (Poroshenko and Akhmetov did not spare money) and as a result disorientated the East of" Ukraine ", which simply did not know who to vote for, and many of their votes went to Zelensky. But everything could have turned out differently, and Boyko could really get into the second round of the presidential elections, and gain under 30% of the votes in the Rada.

    It is absolutely clear that the Americans will not allow Zelensky to establish relations with Russia, someone will miss such a trump card and be able to constantly put pressure on one of the two main opponents!

    Proceeding from this, the foreign policy of Russia over the past 20 years can be called absolutely a failure, which traditionally was the same as the foreign policy of the USSR during the longer period of its existence, which, in many ways, was the reason for its collapse. Therefore, Lavrov and his employees need to be driven away with a dirty broom from the external department and put there a determined and energetic person.
    1. -1
      4 August 2019 07: 43
      Proceeding from this, the foreign policy of Russia over the past 20 years can be called absolutely a failure, which traditionally was the same as the foreign policy of the USSR during the longer period of its existence, which, in many ways, was the reason for its collapse. Therefore, Lavrov and his employees need to be driven away with a dirty broom from the external department and put there a determined and energetic person.

      Russia does not have as much money as a typewriter to conduct foreign policy everywhere with 100% efficiency. In the USA and Great Britain, too, they are not "fools from a psychiatric hospital", so that failures happen to everyone - both here and there.
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    2. +2
      4 August 2019 11: 20
      Quote: bistrov.
      It is absolutely clear that the Americans will not allow Zelensky to establish relations with Russia, someone will miss such a trump card and be able to constantly put pressure on one of the two main opponents!

      hi
      On this occasion (in relation to LDNR) Tsarev’s statements are interesting. A lot of delirium, but among the chaff there is a rat. corn.
  12. +4
    4 August 2019 07: 35
    The question remains unclear - with whom is the army? During the punitive operation and armed confrontation, the Nazis created the backbone of trained and motivated personnel, saturated the troops with equipment and weapons. Tales of corruption, drunkenness and desertion leave the kindergarten. Everything is in order with the generals - all years of independence lick power and kiss in all places. But so far no analysts, sociologists and seers can say what is happening in the minds of the middle and lower ranks.
  13. +4
    4 August 2019 07: 45
    The squabble among the oligarchy and those who want to become such, in Ukraine will end only in connection with the cessation of the existence of a country called Ukraine.
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  14. +2
    4 August 2019 07: 49
    The author, in your opinion, turns out that the Beggar was not an American protege?
    It seems to me that the Beggar was a "promoted" by the US DP, and now the US RP came to power from here and all the difference
  15. +5
    4 August 2019 08: 55
    And I, as a Svidomo Ukrainian, I will not allow vulgarizing duroocratic excesses ... I'm sorry ... our democratic processes are decisively
    Euro-integrating e. And Zelya is not a liar, a clown and a bastard, but a fighter, a fighter and a fine fellow!
    And then I will file a European court, let those who say such and such find:
    Klitschko is dumber than a chiffonier
    what else can i say
    but how to name who chose him
    this woodpecker, your mother!
  16. +2
    4 August 2019 09: 17
    Russia is now pursuing the only possible policy with Ukraine ... It opens the door ... If it becomes unbearable, we will accept ... I meet specialists from Ukraine at various plants in the most unexpected places.
    There are many scientists from Kharkov. The Ukrainian elite "scatters" ... Real, engineers, specialists, scientists ... And in Russia they DO have a place ...
    1. +2
      4 August 2019 10: 02
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The Ukrainian elite is "running away" ...

      hi , Eugene.
      Runs away, yes, what our favorite character in VO told - Pasha Chugunkin. In the Ruin, everything is more wonderful and wonderful. The other day, they found that money, not small in green currency, was thrown into the wind. Sadness, however.
    2. +1
      5 August 2019 14: 39
      And I kept wondering how it was "Alien among his own among strangers and this turns out to be Ukraine in Europe!
  17. +1
    4 August 2019 09: 23
    Zelensky will not succeed; he is just a zits-chairman, like Pound.
  18. +2
    4 August 2019 09: 31
    And I wonder if there will be fights in the Rada?
    1. +1
      4 August 2019 11: 17
      Quote: sabakina
      And I wonder if there will be fights in the Rada?

      hi Fights in ZRada were and will be, otherwise TV broadcasts from there will become completely boring and will lose the last viewers, and this is the "viewer rating" and "advertising money" of TV people, not to mention the "self-promotion" of the "people's deputies" themselves - how they will then show their "daring" and imitate "violent activity" ?!
      Some busters-jerks are "nedotorkannye", due to the fact of their obvious "uselessness", and they go to the "meetings of the ZRada" only for such "funny hookups" at the rostrum - they can't stand out from the "gray mass of people's deputies" "to be remembered by the" lohtorata "for the next" elections "in this" bribery "sinecure ?!
  19. 0
    4 August 2019 10: 15
    Dear forum users, get ready to watch the series The Battle of Ukrainian Thrones. This is in my opinion for a very long time.
  20. -3
    4 August 2019 10: 16
    Having provoked a coup in Ukraine, the United States aimed to create an anti-Russian bridgehead from Ukraine to put pressure on Russia.
    And when it was Ukraine-Russian a foothold ?!

    in recent a hundred years-never! Ukraine-anti-Russian project initiallyso the Americans came on well prepared ground ...
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  21. +1
    4 August 2019 10: 43
    the population massively throughout the country itself refused to trust the ruling regime. There was no such unanimity in Ukraine ....

    The author is either ill-informed or disingenuous! The population of nezalezhnoy for the first time refused to trust the first President Kravchuk, then Yushchenko was "bored" and now Poroshenko ..... This is probably the mentality - the population does not draw conclusions when choosing, and how do you make a choice if everyone is lying to themselves believe. I think that this is a syndrome of a flock of sheep, when there is no national elite interested in a strong state and the preservation of the "flock" itself, but rather the opposite.
  22. +1
    4 August 2019 13: 07
    Actually, I have the exact opposite opinion. Just 3 oligarchs who won the Roman triumvirate won. Kolomoisky, Pinchuk and Akhmetov dismissed all the Maidan and the old political elite, sweeping the table and typing new toys. And these toys at the training were openly declared that they were nobody and there was no way to call them. Which is generally true. Now they have the Rada, the actor playing the president, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the SBU and knowing Portnov, soon they will have all the judicial power. Trump is unlikely to be here. At least his right hand Giuliani openly announces support for Klitschko, whom Kolomoisky is removing from the post of head of the Kiev Council. Of course, if this triumvirate is supported from the USA, it is only by democrats, and not Trump at all. request
    However, as the history of the Roman triumvirs shows, sooner or later the most influential of them decides that it is much more profitable to rule alone than three. And I think that this person will be Benya. By the way, I advise you to watch the series "Servant of the People". It announced a lot of what is or will happen in the next 5 years on the Square. request
    Well, in fact, the sale of land to oligarchs and foreign companies is expected to replenish the treasury. Decentralization is also assumed. Tk everyone understands that it is possible to take all-Ukrainian power, but it is difficult to keep it. Therefore, regional elites and oligarchs want to leave money from their provinces to themselves, and not send it to Kiev. Nobody wants to share anymore. Well, of course, Petya and his associates will be the first to rob. But most importantly, a course towards libertarianism has been declared. That is, all power to business, that is, to the oligarchs. Cutting off all state property, privatizing everything that is possible, cutting off subsidies and subsidies, and maximum non-interference in business by the state. Plus announced the reform of the SBU. She WANTS TO TAKE THE ECONOMY AND LEAVE ONLY A CONTRAST EXPLORATION. SBU will not be able to strain more oligarchs and will lose all its influence. request
  23. +2
    4 August 2019 13: 53
    In my opinion, the Dear Author has slightly overdone the amount of "forces on the political Olympus" and the devilization of Beni, the size of his "influence" ?! winked
    Forces "on ukroOlimpe" TWO-American puppeteers who want absolute obedience to "Maidan puppets" in the implementation of their sinister plans, and "striped dolls" are an obedient puppet servant appointed "for feeding" from among the Aborigines, who wants, under the silence of their "American Holui" "," to solve "and selfish" problems "!
    The same "broken" Kolomoisky - by nature a cynical PRAGMATIC (and certainly not such a cuckoo as Giblets!) And apparently now (although "from the second time" ?!) perfectly understood (using the example of the same, one after another subjected to collective ostracism, "infinitely" mercantile ameroholuev - "dill" Yanyk and Giblets!) that even having some "influence" on the "Ze team", he would not be able to act with impunity exclusively in his own business interests, therefore he "spoke differently "?! smile

    More than once the expressed "concern" of the amerocolonialists is caused not by the odious "corrupt personalities of the ukropolitikum", such as Zhulia and Benya, but by their probable "mercantile drift" towards Russia - this "rapprochement" the Washington "hawks" do not want to allow! Therefore, they "pinched and pinched" such alleged "renegades" and wip them off from the "helm of power", trying to "rule" the less "wayward" and more "accommodating" ukropolitikans!
    And in this "general plan", anti-Russian "chopping off all ends," the "unambiguous" lackey-primitive zapadoid Pedrukha Giblets suited them quite well, and the "cunning" Pan Kolomoisky "raises doubts", especially since the pro-Russian "signals he sends (to the Russian authorities and their property on Russian territory) "was not noticed only by a completely blind man ?!

    The fact that the United States and the "collective West" strove and are striving to shift the burden of the anti-Russian Ameroholui "European integration" of the post-Soviet republics onto the shoulders of Russia itself is not surprising - this is a tradition, however! request
    After all, the example of the same "Ukraine-anti-Russia" clearly shows that the Russian "partners" obediently financed the "independent" transformation of the former Soviet republic with more than half of the Russian population in it, into a hostile Russophobic State Department "project Ukraine" ?!
    Indirectly and UNCONTROLLED subsidizing the Ukrainian authorities, the anti-Russian "politics and economy" of the increasingly hostile "under-state" with MORE than 250 billion dollars of Russian taxpayers, against the backdrop of a TOTAL miserable $ 5 billion that the US has invested in its dominant "agents of influence" and NGOs in Ukraine to ensure CONTROL of the use of these generous Russian "assistance" for the purpose of nurturing Russophobic Banderonazism and the creeping, and then "Maidan" seizure of power by Washington puppets!
    The Russian Ukrainian population, with great bewilderment, helplessly watched this, under the caring "roof" of American "partners", the decades-old non-bourgeois "symbiosis" of the Russian authorities and the anti-Russian authorities of Ukraine (as well as the demonstrative "imitation of the activities of the" impotent "Union of Russian Compatriots", with the Ukrainian sides of the "eccentric" by the "eccentric" apologist of Hitler's lackey-ukronatsik Bulba Borovets, turning Kolesnichenka, also, "symbolically" illegible, awarded for this long-term profanation with a Russian order, or a medal!) project "for" Russian money "!

    One thing inspires optimism is the biblical, from Ecclesiastes, "... a time to throw stones and a time to collect stones ..." - it is already completely clear and understandable that the overseas "project Ukraine" is a stillborn monster, a kind of self-devouring, uroboros , spawned by the "gloomy arrogant Saxon-diaspora degeneratism"! winked

    PS For some reason, many analysts and commentators, both Russian and Ukrainian, forget the fact that the total turnout for the "elections" was about 50%, that is, the rest of the voters (even without the undemocratic admission of the American occupation authorities, to the "elections" there are MILLIONS of Ukrainian citizens - "migrant workers" and residents of Donbass in Russia!) "voted with their feet" in these quasi "elections" without choice and their anti-Bandera position can be assumed with high probability!

    PPS "Zelei" of Vladimir Zelensky was affectionately nicknamed by his friends-KVNschiki, and not "among the people for spinelessness" - the people do not call it that! wink
    1. -3
      4 August 2019 14: 01
      Quote: pishchak
      MORE THAN 250 BILLION DOLLARS OF RUSSIAN TAXPAYERS

      where does the figure come from, if Medvedev invented the figure of 200 billion, then where did the other 50 add?
      And generally speaking, preferences and discounts sound figuratively (that is, loyalty and transit with better conditions cost nothing - but they cost any billion, all the more the benefit was still)
      I constantly look that those who understand in Ukraine on the pages of VO are much more than anywhere else laughing
      I had to type "Servants" here. It's a pity I didn't have time to write to Zelensky.
      1. +1
        4 August 2019 14: 14
        Antares, don't worry! If I wanted to be a "servant" so much, then Zelensky or his influential partners would himself, without your unsuccessful "help", "write" - I am sure that I would not be denied! smile
        And the largest number of those "versed in Ukraine" is on the "Censor", don't you know ?! laughing
        1. -1
          4 August 2019 22: 17
          Quote: pishchak
          without your unsuccessful "help", "wrote" - I am sure that I would not be refused!

          C-sarcasm.
          Quote: pishchak
          And the largest number of those "versed in Ukraine" is on the "Censor", don't you know?

          I am surprised that the censor (which Ukrainians do not like) is so popular among Russians.
          There is a diametrically opposite contingent of Russian cheers to patriots. Ukrainian cheers patriots. One brother is sitting here and there. Just slogans are different country.
          Censor even though "Ukrainian tusovka" they even live in Ukraine (although judging by the comments, I'm not sure that they live in it)
          but in VO mostly Russians and they know better about Ukraine, thanks to the Russian media.
          and here and there we continue to divide people into grades ...
  24. 0
    4 August 2019 15: 18
    "The most interesting thing is that for this (the process of creating hatred for the old elite) no one practically campaigned"

    The delusionality of this phrase is clear to everyone who watched the election clips of the servants of the people.
  25. +1
    4 August 2019 17: 29
    But a fourth variant of the development of the political situation in Ukraine may arise. If within a year or two Ze and the team become a copy of Poroshenko's power, then Benya, through his dummies, including his Rada deputies, can organize a party, in opposition to the Medvedchuk-Boyko Party, with the same slogans and calls, but financially secured. And more active not only in Ukraine itself, but also in the DLNR. And in this he can be helped by his former companion, Akhmetov. Those. he can restore the "Party of Regions" -2. The only thing he lacks for this is a charismatic leader.
    1. +2
      4 August 2019 23: 56
      This multi-armed "Benya" first cannibalized with his Natsiks in Odessa and Donbass, and now will he "restore" the Party of Regions? I wonder how he will be supported after all this in the south-east of Ukraine, flowers and applause ???
  26. +1
    4 August 2019 19: 26
    Quote: Honest Citizen
    An article from the category of "nothing". The topic is not disclosed from the word "completely".
    The United States is, of course, the main beneficiary in Ukraine; for them, this party was initially a win-win. Whoever wins the election, he will pursue pro-American politics in Ukraine; no other is given here.

    Actually, these two sentences are the whole article. The rest is water and a story for a person who does not follow events in the world at all.

    And what to disclose? Everything has long been chewed-chewed in all kinds of talk shows .... sad
  27. 0
    4 August 2019 20: 02
    turned Ukraine into a Russophobic state, and it will be very difficult to return it to its pre-war state.

    And what, someone poses such a task?
    Very interesting. And who is it?
  28. -2
    4 August 2019 20: 25
    Quote: Stas157
    About the same situation in the late 90s was in Russia, when Yeltsin’s entourage brought Putin to power. Then the president found strength and defended state interests

    In what?

    Let me remind you that under EBN there was a state transfer of property from through predatory privatization. Putin condemned this, but immediately stated that the revision of predatory privatization will not be... and continued to do the same as his predecessor Yeltsin.

    the remnants of Yeltsinism are still attached to power.

    Clear business. After all, nothing has changed. These remnants, and then their children, will continue to rule us.

    Not, if the Yankees pay, it's not a fact. Putin and the "family" do not have so much money. Or there is, but they are greedy, which will destroy them. Interestingly, the United States will give Putin the status of a political refugee? I remember that England refused to give Nicholas II asylum.
  29. 0
    4 August 2019 22: 20
    Well, I won’t get into such a jungle. I will look at the indicators. And the first of them is the National Bats.
    "The battle will begin, I will send them to the right place .." (C)
    The nazbats are conditionally "uncontrollable", and something urgently needs to be done about this.
    If they are ground in a well-prepared boiler, a signal for a peaceful settlement. Indicator?
    The second is Avakov. He is in the shadows, but behind him are "big battalions" ...
    No one has time to do anything if Avakov’s people converge with the Makhnovists of the National Bats. Interest in Parliament will be considered rectally ...
    Remember Ram ...
  30. +1
    4 August 2019 22: 39
    Judging by the attacks, they also want to lose in the country of Matrasia - all
  31. 0
    4 August 2019 22: 45
    Quote: Kerensky
    The nazbats are conditionally "uncontrollable"

    Shaw? "Conditional"? In plain text, PSs that do not obey the General Staff are "conditional"? The "Tornado" that entered the battle with the cops is conditional ?! Azov, constantly exchanging fire with the marines - "conditionally" ?! But what a convention for you! Natural troops of local feudal lords completely outside the control of the central government
  32. +1
    5 August 2019 00: 16
    Ukraine distracts from its own problems. Radio and television are full of problems in Ukraine. And this is important to us. No. Not at all. What is important is that we lost to Ukraine in 2014 through the Foreign Ministry and intelligence. Everything else is secondary, and Zelya, and Benya-bita, and Volker, and Gunpowder, and IMF loans, and the mosquito fleet. We are now losing the geopolitical situation in this very Ukraine. Remember the last time you heard the expression "Russian spring"? Forgot already. Passports began to be issued this year. And they should have been issued immediately after the referendum. Eh, there is no prophet in his Fatherland.
    And how is Siberia burning ...
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  33. -1
    5 August 2019 06: 11
    The outbreak of war in the Donbass and Nazi terrororganized by the Poroshenko regime

    It's time to change the record so as not to cause laughter in people.
    What kind of Nazi terror is involved, if Nazi symbols are banned in Ukraine, the nationalist parties Poroshenko knocked out of parliament (they were members of Parliament during the time of Yankukovich) ...
    Nationalists (Biletsky and his Azov) did not allow Poroshenko to speak at rallies and disrupted the preparation of his party for the parliamentary elections.
    Nationalists cannot forgive him for having squeezed out of the previous parliament - they did not get into the current parliament, gaining less than 2%.
    For them, he was and remains enemy No. 1, a week ago they attacked his car in Kiev.
    To write about Nazi terror, when the population of Ukraine elected a Jew as the President, and the Prime Minister of Ukraine is also a Jew (the Prime Minister is approved by the Parliament) - this does not respect readers ...
    1. +1
      5 August 2019 11: 27
      Nationalists (Biletsky and his Azov) did not allow Poroshenko to speak at rallies and foiled his party’s preparations for parliamentary elections

      oh how))) and I thought it was a sharya with a Dubinsky petunia gondili ... thanks, enlightened
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  34. 0
    5 August 2019 11: 23
    The main beneficiary in Ukraine, of course, is the United States

    the author makes a strange conclusion. the main beneficiary is the EU: an accessible market without obligations, cheap labor, loyal political power in / on. Well, who else got so many buns ?? There is only one loser in this situation - Ukraine. sud but true
  35. 0
    5 August 2019 14: 44
    So far, only the people of Ukraine have lost. The horses do not count.
  36. 0
    6 August 2019 11: 15
    Quote: Tatiana
    Well, they did say that while Poroshenko was under investigation, he should not be allowed out of the country! No, released!

    That is why the Russian special services should work. Bring Poroshenko to Russia and judge the most humane Basmanny court. Then it would be possible for them to forgive all sorts of parades on the Gelendvagen