First four AH-64E Apache helicopters delivered to India

India received the first four US AH-64E Apache multipurpose helicopters. The helicopters were delivered disassembled to Hindon airbase near Delhi. Reports about it Defence Blog.

India received the first four AH-64E Apache helicopters out of twenty-two ordered for the Air Force of the country in the United States. The helicopters were delivered disassembled by air on the An-124 “Ruslan” 27 July plane to Hindon air base in Ghaziabad. Although in fact the Indian Air Force has already received these helicopters, but they will officially be transferred after assembly, which will be carried out by American experts and their fly-by.

The helicopters will be handed over to us after proper assembly at a later date, after which they will be put into the Air Force

- Said the representative of the Indian Air Force.

It is expected that four more AH-64E Apache will arrive in India next week. All eight helicopters will be delivered to Pathankot airbase in Punjab, where they will be officially commissioned to the Indian Air Force. The event is scheduled for September of this year. Delivery of the remaining 14 helicopters, according to some data, may be carried out next year.

Recall that the agreement between India and the United States to supply 22 helicopters AH-64E Apache Guardian was signed 28 September 2015 of the year. Except the helicopter IAF obtained even accompanying weapons and equipment, which includes 12 radar AN / APG-76 Longbow, 812 guided missiles AGM-114L-3 Longbow Hellfire and 542 rocket GM-114R-3 Hellfire II, and 242 FIM rocket -92H Stinger Block I in the air-to-air variant.

Indian pilots who will fly American helicopters were trained in the United States back in 2018.

Comments

[NEXUS]

I wonder if our specialists will have the opportunity to study this helicopter?

[Alexey-74]

Hi Andrey, I think Apache has already been studied by our specialists, as well as our technique by the Americans ....

[okko077]

But what about the transfer of technology, the organization of production in India, bringing local components to a high percentage? .... Indian hypocrites only put forward the enslaving conditions for us ... But pi_ndosam can also lick your ass ....

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: okko077

But what about technology transfer, organization of production in India,

This contract was signed 4 years ago. And now they have a woman minister of defense who wants everything in India to be produced.

[iConst]

Quote: NEXUS

I wonder if our specialists will have the opportunity to study this helicopter?

I am convinced that these issues are stipulated very strictly by arms suppliers.

You can ask the opposite question: will their specialists have the opportunity to study the Turkish S-400?

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: okko077

But what about the transfer of technology, the organization of production in India, bringing local components to a high percentage? ....

On March 1, 2018, the Tata Boeing Aerospace Limited (TBAL) joint venture was opened in Hyderabad (India). This joint venture of the American corporation Boeing and the Indian company Tata Advanced Systems Ltd. (TASL, Tata’s defense division) will be the only subcontracted manufacturer of the Boeing AH-64 Apache family of combat helicopters. TBAL will supply the fuselages for all Apache helicopters manufactured by Boeing at the St. Louis facility in the United States - both for the US Army and for foreign customers, including India ................ In addition to the fuselages, TBAL will also produce a number of structural components for Apache helicopters, including wing spars. The possibility of organizing the production of glider elements of the Boeing CH-47F Chinook transport helicopters and the Boeing P-8 base patrol aircraft Poseidon.https: //bmpd.livejournal.com/3113334.html is also being considered.

[Invoce]

Hindus want to be smart and beautiful ... What will the attempt to sit on two chairs lead to - let's see ... The desire to be in BRICS, to trade duty-free with the EU and Amers, .... yes, a lot of everything is contradictory ... Gypsies ...

[Alexey-74]

Hindus constantly want to sit on two chairs, purchasing both American and Russian weapons, plus the French Rafali, but I do not think that this contributes to the defense.

[carstorm 11]

I'm afraid there are chairs like at a wedding, a lot)))

[KVU-NSVD]

Strange .. Apache 22, and 12 radars to them ..

The agreement between India and the United States on the supply of 22 AH-64E Apache Guardian helicopters was signed on September 28, 2015. In addition to the helicopters themselves, the Indian Air Force also receives related weapons and equipment, which includes 12 AN / APG-76 radars

The remaining ten turntables then not for battle or what? It turns out about half of the training party? So over time, the order is expected to expand significantly?

[voyaka uh]

It’s not clear ... this is an airplane radar. On the Hornets, for example.

[KVU-NSVD]

And here are the hornets, if we are talking about the supply of Apaches and related equipment?

the Indian Air Force also receives associated weapons and equipment, which includes 12 AN / APG-76 Longbow radars,

[voyaka uh]

Longbow is not AN / APG-76,
and AN / APG-78.
Mixed up a bit

[novel66]

I know that Indians will dance to !!

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Not on two chairs, but how much a magnificent fifth point will turn out ....
Hindus take everything they need to study, and to master, and licensed production, and for training, and to create their own samples ... Just as well as China in its time ....
The role of India is increasing in the world in all respects. Time works for India. The time of India is in the future ...
Although now India has a very solid budget in 6 in terms of GDP (N) in the 7th-3th place in the world, in terms of GDP (PPP) in the 2018rd place in the world .... and in military spending:
The first place is with the USA, $ 649 billion is 3,2% of the Gross Domestic Product, abbreviated GDP. which will amount to almost 40% of the total world expenditures for the armed forces.
In second place, China - the military budget will be - over $ 250 billion, about 1,9% of GDP, probably China significantly underestimates the official data on the military budget of 175 billion, the annual growth of the defense budget in all cases 7-8 percent.
third, Saudi Arabia - $ 67,6 billion, about 8,8% of GDP
fourth, India - $ 66,5 billion 2,4% of GDP,
fifth. France - $ 63,8 billion 2,3% of GDP
Russia spent 2018 percent of GDP in 2,8 and ended up in sixth position, with defense spending of $ 61,4 billion
UK seventh military spending of $ 50 billion, respectively.

[KCA]

The untouchable caste is especially proud of the achievements of India, as everyone in Mr. will not get out of the sewer, so immediately they are proud

[yehat]

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

Time works for India. The time of India is in the future ...
Although now India in terms of GDP (N) is 6-7th in the world

You are very mistaken. Time works against India. If there hadn’t been China, we could have agreed, but it is there and it will take away from India all the hopes for rapid development, or rather, it has already taken it away.

[Topgun]

in the sense of took hope?
China was in Zh until the 90s and it had no hopes - it was forever behind the west, but as it turned out there ...
India is comparable in size and human resource to China, if the capitalists decide to make China a rival at the same time earning extra money on cheap labor (in China, it’s already higher wages than in Russia) then ...
China here does not solve anything from the word at all, it all depends on Western partners ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Topgun

China here does not solve anything from the word at all, it all depends on Western partners ...

Western partners will not be able to do anything with China. It is enough to recall border conflicts with shooting with Japan five years ago. China simply stopped the Japanese factories (workers' strikes), and Japan wiped off.

[Mordvin 3]

In, found:

In response to the nationalization of the islands by Japan, anti-Japanese demonstrations took place in more than 100 cities of the PRC, in which over 500 thousand people took part - these are the largest performances in China since the normalization of diplomatic relations between the two countries in 1972. Protesters smashed Japanese shops and enterprises. More than 100 cars were burned near the representative offices of Toyota, Nissan and Honda in Japan across the country. Indicators of Japanese exports to China dipped by a few percentage points, as the Chinese began to massively abandon products from Japan.

On 14 of September 2012, six Chinese patrol ships entered the territorial waters, which Japan considers to be its own. The demonstrative approach of the Chinese watchdogs became the largest in the history of the territorial conflict between Tokyo and Beijing around Senkaku and lasted about seven hours. Since then, China's patrol ships have been almost constantly near Senkaku and periodically make calls to the coastal zone. On average, the Chinese visit the disputed waters from seven to 12 once a month (the maximum number of violations - 28 - was recorded in August 2013 of the year).

https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/788424

[Topgun]

I mean, they can't do anything? I began my adult life in the USSR and for me the collapse of the USSR was like the collapse of something eternal, the impossible happened (in my mind) ... The "Western partners" harassment with China began just yesterday (sort of like Obama in his second term in office), we will not even talk about the dependence of China and the USSR on Western partners (the Chinese economy is so deeply tied to the Western that it is impossible to distinguish where the Western ends and the Chinese begins) it is clear that this is a "double-edged sword" but if we add up all the economies of Western partners (and they when it is necessary to act in unison (see sanctions)) and put the Chinese side next to it, then it will not be so big (weighty? - yes, but in comparison with the rest of it, not big) ...
Well, and as the experience of the same USSR shows, Western partners know how to wait (rot) their moment ...
At the moment, I would not bet on China, they are doing the right thing (they "colonize" Africa - they create markets for themselves there, the republics of the former USSR, Central America) but it is difficult to say whether they have enough strength yet ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Topgun

we won’t even talk about the dependence of China and the USSR on Western partners (the Chinese economy is so deeply tied to the Western one that it is not possible to distinguish where the Western ends and the Chinese begins)

Quite a common misconception, I suppose. China is working hard not only for the western, but also for the domestic market. For example, it builds a hundred airfields a year, the bulk of the Chinese car industry is realized in China itself (I don’t remember, however, in percentage), recently listening to Radio China (and what to do if China occupied a huge number of radio waves, and my grandfather's Ocean from our stations, it only receives Radio Russia, where tablets are sold incomprehensible), I learned that they invest 82 billion in green energy and are the largest manufacturer of batteries.
China has bought up Rover, Saab, Volvo Cars, is investing heavily in electric cars .... They will find a market without the United States. It is quite interesting that state-owned companies work no worse than private traders, here is an example of a car produced at the state-owned enterprise "First Chinese Automobile Plant" (FAW.), A copy of the Stalin plant, which was built in China in the 50s by Soviet specialists, and from which the Chinese actually began auto industry. It's a shame for ZiL.

[Vasily Ponomarev]

let's see in 20 years what will happen to China, its economy is slowing down, after all, extensive growth ends

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

let's see in 20 years what will happen to China

Just twenty years later, according to Chinese philosophy, they will have a "Golden Age", with a period of about a hundred years. Now is the century of development (a period of about 60 years). And they really believe in their philosophy.

[Vasily Ponomarev]

I do not think so,

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

, its economy is slowing down, after all, extensive growth ends

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

, its economy is slowing down, after all, extensive growth ends

Naturally. There is a limit to all growth. Okay, as they say, wait and see. If I had been told in 80 that at home electronics would be entirely from China, I would only twist my finger at my temple. Compare:

The difference is twenty years old, the top miracle from 90's.

[Vasily Ponomarev]

if you recall the history, when the USSR was recovering from the Second World War, there was an unrealistic growth in the likeness of China but then a sharp slowdown, stagnation and decline, until recently 10 percent growth was normal for China, now in 8 years it is almost 2 times lower

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vasily Ponomarev

if you recall history, when the USSR was recovering from the Second World War, there was an unrealistic growth in the likeness of China but then a sharp slowdown,

Here I am about the same. Well, he’ll reach the ceiling, but where next? You can’t jump above your head.

[yehat]

Quote: Topgun

India is comparable in size and human resource to China, if the capitalists decide to make China a rival at the same time earning money on cheap labor

then nothing will work out, because China has ALREADY squeezed out all available resources in the region, debugged the economy, built up the 2nd generation of specialists, created powerful trade logistics. And now it is completing the first phase of explosive growth, actively equipping expeditionary forces so that no one in the region like India or Indonesia or even Japan can rock the boat.
You can’t go far on labor costs alone, otherwise Thailand would be a super-economy. If India wants to develop, it will be slow - she missed her chance 25 years ago.

[fruit_cake]

Soviet plane delivers American helicopters to India to counter communist China

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: fruit_cake

Soviet plane delivers American helicopters to India to counter communist China

And why did Antonov Design Bureau move from Novosibirsk to Kiev in 1951 ?!

[Antares]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

And why did Antonov Design Bureau move from Novosibirsk to Kiev in 1951 ?!

The design bureau OKB-153 was formed on May 31, 1946 by a resolution of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks and the Council of Ministers of the USSR at the V. P. Chkalov Novosibirsk Aviation Plant. Oleg Antonov was appointed chief designer. Immediately the Design Bureau was given the task of creating the An-2 agricultural aircraft, the first flight of which took place on August 31, 1947.
In the summer of 1952, OKB moved to Kiev. At the end of 1953, the enterprise received the difficult task of creating a military transport aircraft with two turboprop engines.
It would be more logical to place it in KIEV and in the USSR they looked to the future just like that.
Firstly, Kiev has its own relation to aviation and its origin and tradition (Kiev Polytechnic Airplanes Kudashev and Grigorovich and other Kievites).
Secondly, the placement was not only a design bureau, at the same time a plant and other related facilities. An aerodrome for testing A powerful base for personnel, technical and logistic (factories of Zaporizhzhia and KIEV itself)
do you think in the ministries of the USSR only Ukrainians sat and thought how to develop exclusively the Ukrainian SSR?
Moving to KIEV allowed the OKB to make the famous design bureau, which glorified the USSR and Ukraine. Well and Russia.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: Antares

Firstly, Kiev has its own relation to aviation and its origin and tradition (Kiev Polytechnic Airplanes Kudashev and Grigorovich and other Kievites).

I doubt that these people of Kiev spoke Ukrainian and were blissed out by the cult of embroidery. There is nothing to do with tradition, the modern historiography of Ukraine Igor Sikorsky recorded in the Ukrainians, whose father was in the club of Russian nationalists, and Igor himself considered himself a Russian emigrant to the United States.

do you think in the ministries of the USSR only Ukrainians sat and thought how to develop exclusively the Ukrainian SSR?

Exactly so, such was the price to quickly smooth over the consequences of the civil war, and to save face to those who were in the UNR, the Directory and the Central Council. From Grushevsky to Dovzhenko.

Moving to KIEV allowed the OKB to make the famous design bureau, which glorified the USSR and
Ukraine.

He would have glorified it both in Minsk, and Tashkent, or in Samara. There was no difference. It was the Red Empire, which built the thousandth cities, factories and factories in the 100-300 beyond the Arctic Circle.
And these are your tears:

[Antares]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

I doubt that these Kievans spoke Ukrainian at home and were blissed out by the cult of embroidery

some yes, and so it was RI. It was Kiev. Center of Russia: One of its oldest cities and the tradition of aeronautics in it were strong from the birth of aviation.
This is not because of pride - but because of the fact that large cities of the Republic of Ingushetia in the European part began to develop aviation, including world aviation (Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kiev, Odessa)
People born on the lands of Ukraine bring glory to her. At the same time, Russia - although neither Ukraine nor the Russian Federation have any relation to RI. Like the USSR.
As for the film about AN 225, the Design Bureau saved it once, it works two, it brings both money and glory to the country, as well as to the creator of the USSR.
But because of the chauvinism of some screaming that it is the USSR and not Ukraine, and the nationalism of others, screaming that we have and you don’t --- we argue here which is better and what is worse.
And the USSR placed proceeding from the principles of the effectiveness of the development of territories.
If this is not so in the Russian Federation, then the USSR will be difficult to understand.

[yehat]

I think buying Apaches by Indians is a mistake.
these machines are poorly adapted for action in the mountains, and 90% of the territories where they can be really used are mountainous or mountainous areas.
Moreover, Apache is very expensive and demanding to maintain, the maintenance of the F-16 aircraft (and even the F-21) is much cheaper.
I would take a closer look at the Kama or Super Cobra on the site of the Indians.

[Tsoy]

these machines are poorly adapted for action in the mountains, and 90% of the territories where they can be really used are mountainous or mountainous areas.

And can you give me more details why such a conclusion? In Afghanistan, they flew beautifully in the highlands. Just wondering maybe I don’t know ...

[yehat]

Apache has a formally large ceiling and decent power, but in fact it rises poorly in the mountains, helicopter pilots have their own specific complaints. For example, security. Depreciation of the chassis in the mountains does not channel - autorotation is better.
and in general, in addition to the supercobra and the chinook, the Americans have no other combat helicopters that behave normally in the mountains.
protecting the Apache from the rifleman in the mountains is practically useless, because it is from below, and turntables are often fired at from the side or even from above.
In general, Apache is normal in the hills and plains, but not in the mountains.

[Zaurbek]

This contract was signed about 10 years ago ..... Mi and Ka were raw at that time, and for some weapons and Optics we have not yet caught up with the 10-year-old Apache ...

[Topgun]

Quote: yehat

You can’t go far on labor costs alone, otherwise Thailand would be a super-economy.

Well, actually, Thailand is the 20th economy in the world :)) and what is good (relative to the current situation in the world) growing - which does not interfere with "China has ALREADY squeezed out all available resources in the region" :)))

[yehat]

Quote: Topgun

which does not interfere "China has ALREADY squeezed out all available resources in the region" :)))

firstly, Thailand is developing through tourism, agriculture and light industry, and there are not many resources needed, because they have everything.
And secondly, the population of Thailand is only 71 million and lives much less densely than in India - it is much easier for them and they are even 2% ahead of China in terms of GDP per capita.
but China is actually 3. There is an active layer (about 70-160 million) that is developing, becoming richer and creating what we know as China, there is a very poor China, mainly on the outskirts of inaccessible areas and the desert, and there is China - merchants at the borders and just an amorphous mass of middle peasants who live today and are the pillar of the first part.
So, Thailand competes with the first part of China and it is many times more powerful than the Thai state.

[Zaurbek]

Hindus, like, make hulls ...

[Altai72]

Quote: NEXUS

I wonder if our specialists will have the opportunity to study this helicopter?

And what, are we going to improve it?))

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

Quote: KCA

The untouchable caste is especially proud of the achievements of India, as everyone in Mr. will not get out of the sewer, so immediately they are proud

***
And we have the same ... The untouchable caste is especially proud of the achievements of Russia, just as everyone in the city will not get out of the mud to riches, they are immediately proud of becoming officials, politicians or rich people.