Advanced C-350 will introduce NATO to a bitter reality. What is a wrapper for Turkey is a masterpiece for Russia

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While the majority of domestic military-analytical portals and highly specialized military-technical "platforms" continue to exaggerate information about the launch of the Turkish-Russian contract for the supply of four anti-aircraft missile systems C-400 "Triumph" to Ankara, occasionally disturbing the emotional balance of the observers with probable disclosure “Critical technologies” of 92H6 radar highlighting by NATO experts and expert commissions of leading US defense corporations (“Lockheed Martin”, “Raytheon”, etc.), where more important and partly epochal news Received from the publication "Red Star" with reference to the Deputy Chief of the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Russian Aerospace Force Yuri Muravkin. We are talking about the imminent launching of promising anti-aircraft missile systems of medium and long range C-350 “Vityaz” on the experimental combat duty.





At the same time, as Mr. Muravkin, a senior representative of the Airborne Forces Airborne Command, specified in an interview with Red Star reporters, the first Vityazey anti-aircraft missile divisions will replenish border and coastal anti-aircraft missile regiments (ZRP) first of all. It is quite obvious that the air defense missile systems are intended to form anti-air and anti-missile zones of restriction and prohibition of access and the A2 / AD maneuver for tactical aviation and high precision weapons NATO Air Forces at the distant approaches to the Republic of Crimea, the Republic of Karelia, and the Kaliningrad, Pskov, Leningrad, Arkhangelsk and Murmansk regions.

Today, the most strategically important regiments responsible for covering the rocket-dangerous Baltic, Scandinavian and Arctic air routes can be considered: 500 Guards GRP (deployed in the village. Gostilitsy, Leningrad Region); 1488-th Red Banner ZRP (Zelenogorsk, Leningrad region); 1490 Guards RFP (Ulyanovka village, Leningrad region); 583-th Red Banner Anti-aircraft Missile Regiment (Olenegorsk, Murmansk Region) and 1528-RFP Red Order of the Red Star (Severodvinsk, Arkhangelsk Region) and 33-RFP (Avg “Rogachevo”, New Earth Archipelago).

The main problem of border air defense zones A2 / AD


The main problem of border air defense zones A2 / AD is the unseen “gaps” in the low-altitude airspace. The problem will be partially solved by entering the air defense forces of the S-300B4 air defense missiles equipped with updated 9М82MB missile defense systems with active RGSN, but small ammunition and far from the best maneuverability of these anti-missile missiles do not compensate for the 996E / ЕNNXX missile capabilities.

All of the above shelves are very impressive "mixed" air defense missile group composed of at least 50 SAM "Buk-M1 / 2" C-300PS, C-300PM1, S400 "Triumph" and ZRPK "Carapace-S1" united into a single network-centric network of air defense through automated command posts for managing the anti-aircraft missile brigades Polyana-D4М1 and Baikal-1М. Nevertheless, even this group is not without serious tactical and technical drawback. It consists in the use of all the above types of air defense missile systems, or the semi-active radar guidance method (refers to the Buk-М1 / 2, C-300PS / PM1 and C-400) complexes, or the radio command method (valid for the Pantsir- С1 »).

These methods of guidance completely exclude the possibility of intercepting low-range air attack weapons of the NATO air forces operating outside the radio horizon of 30C38, 9N36 and 30H6 of Buk, S-XNXX, Buk, S-CHNXX, and S-XNXX radars. This happens because the 92М6, 300Н400Е and 9Н317ДМ anti-aircraft missiles equipped with semi-active radar homing heads need continuous target illumination from the radar of target pointing out (that is, in order to maintain the line of sight of the target until it is destroyed).

In the case of flight targets in the following terrain mode (at altitudes from 30 to 50 m), the radio horizon phenomenon comes into play due to the curvature of the earth, which limits the line of sight of all 38 kilometers, even when placing antenna posts for radar guidance on universal 40В6МД towers. As a result, between the anti-aircraft missile regiments dispersed throughout the territories of the western and northern regions of Russia, a multitude of “overlooked” radars targeting “gaps” in low-altitude airspace is formed, through which outbreaks of hundreds of strategic UGM / RGM-109E “Tomahawk Block” cruise missiles can penetrate. IV ”, as well as more dangerous low-profile AGM-158B JASSM-ER tactical missiles, adapted for launching from the F-16C / D and F-15E“ Strike Eagle ”fighter jets.

Vityazi will breathe new life into strategically important border and coastal anti-aircraft missile regiments


The only effective panacea in this situation is the re-equipment (or replenishment) of the above anti-aircraft missile regiments announced by Yuri Muravkin with the promising Vityaz C-350 air defense system. These complexes for the first time in stories The Soviet and Russian air defense forces, as well as the anti-aircraft missile forces of the Russian space forces, received unique ultra-maneuverable 9М96Е anti-aircraft interceptors (range - 40 km) and 9М96Х2 (DM) (range of the target to be hit, of 130-150 km), and they were equipped with the equipment of the XNUMX-XNUMX XNUMX (DM) systems of the target to be struck. and gas-dynamic transverse control engines, which are two staggered "belts" of micro-solid propellant rocket motors.

The presence of active radar seeker will allow the 9М96Е / Е2 SAM to hit targets that are outside the radio horizon (out of range of the divisional guidance radars and 50НХNUMXА); target designation in this case can be issued both by airborne aircraft A-6U and by other means of ground-based / airborne radar or optical-electronic reconnaissance. Thus, possessing the active radar principle of targeting the Vityaz C-50 air defense system fully compensate for the above-described disadvantages of the Buk-М350 / 1, С-2ПМ300 and С-1 "Triumf" family complexes: range of impact of low-altitude surface-to-air missiles. 400 km to 30 — 38 km.

As for the transverse-control gas-dynamic engines, they will provide the 9М96Е / Е2 rockets with the highest flight performance when intercepting maneuvering supersonic and hypersonic air attack tools (including spatial “throws” on trajectories with an overload of about 65 units, as well as an overload in 93 km overheating in VN circuits, etc.). for 20 c). This feature will allow the Vityaz to destroy not only the Tomahawks hiding in the folds of the terrain and the inconspicuous AGM-0,025B missiles, but also the promising Deep Strike tactical ballistic missiles of the direct strike ("hit-to -kill "), which C-158 and C-300, which have 400H48Е and 6Н48DM missiles, unfortunately are not capable of. Is this not the main help for the preservation of the military stability of the border fortified areas of the Russian land forces, naval facilities, as well as the state defense and industrial infrastructure in the event of an escalation of a large-scale conflict in the European theater of operations?
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  1. +11
    30 July 2019 06: 32
    What can you say to such good news? In this case, pills for greed will not help. "Come on", "give more and more."
    1. -2
      30 July 2019 08: 13
      As always, they started for health and finished for repose. If without irony, then the problem is precisely the immensity of our homeland, and therefore I consider the concentration of advanced complexes at the border as stupid, they are more needed in central Russia. We won’t shut up all the gaps around the perimeter, but we can cover the central industrial regions from flush from the Urals to Belarus from Murmansk to Kizlyar. Everything else is only focal defense on the principle of strong points. The long-range interception of enemy attack means is still the prerogative of the Air Force to let it in and decide.
      1. Qas
        0
        30 July 2019 11: 11
        And what, from the Urals to Kamchatka, the territory no longer needs to be protected?
        Are there inhabitants worthy of protection there? Only you Muscovites need to be protected, but do not give a shit about the rest? If in 1812 Moscow was burned and Russia did not disappear from the world map. And infrastructure and enterprises providing combat readiness are not only in the Urals.
        1. +11
          30 July 2019 13: 09
          To insafura & Qas. And that during an attack, enemy carriers and missiles are teleported immediately to central Russia, or will there still be a breakthrough in the border defensive areas? And the more they stop at the border, the less problems there will be with completing targets in depth. What is actually being done. And if you dear, before stirring up whine and panic, at least found out a little about the organization of air defense (PKO) and the location of the bases, you would immediately find out that important "infrastructure facilities and enterprises that ensure combat capability not only in the Urals" are in first of all, they cover themselves, and have long been covered by air defense units (PKO). And the gaps in the radar field are already actually plugged, the early warning systems were built and updated very actively, as well as the organization of new subdivisions of the PKO. So the deployment of the latest PKO equipment in these areas is logical and justified.
        2. -1
          30 July 2019 15: 05
          Unfortunately, it's almost gone. There is almost nothing left in Western Siberia. Residential areas and "business" centers instead of defense factories ...
          1. +1
            31 July 2019 01: 21
            Does anyone know what happened to the Novosibirsk Chkalovsky plant, they built the SU-34 on it, and now rumored to have stopped receiving orders
            1. 0
              31 July 2019 08: 42
              He is slowly being killed for the sake of Irkutsk from his factory at the very border with China. Essentially the same with him as with the Nizhny Novgorod falcon
        3. +6
          30 July 2019 21: 50
          You didn’t read about the focal defense, or you covered your eyes with a veil. If in fact the central industrial region is a self-sufficient and mainstream producer of the very air defense systems and its components. And I think that Moscow at the current level of development from the point of defense capabilities is the most vulnerable spot of our defense. And the transfer of the capital closer to the Urals would be justified. The arrival time of the MGM missile from the territory of the Baltic states is only 20 minutes. And medium-range missiles are 10 minutes. There is very little time for the decision of the high command. I will say a cynical thing
          It is better to concentrate on protecting 80% of the population where there is a mobilization reserve than to smear defense capabilities in the district. The history of the Second World War has already shown that the concentration of advanced weapons at the border is a bad idea.
      2. 0
        30 July 2019 13: 22
        Quote: insafufa
        The long-range interception of enemy attack means is still the prerogative of the Air Force to let it in and decide.

        For this, the PAK DP program (MiG-41) was launched.
      3. 0
        31 July 2019 16: 06
        Quote: insafufa
        As always, they started for health and finished for repose. If without irony, then the problem is precisely the immensity of our homeland, and therefore I consider the concentration of advanced complexes at the border as stupid, they are more needed in central Russia.

        They cover the military and industrial infrastructure in the border coastal areas, if I understand the article correctly. It is the focal air defense / missile defense, and not at all a continuous chain along the perimeter of the borders.
    2. 0
      30 July 2019 10: 55
      moderate your ardor, it all costs money. It is necessary not more, but enough.
      1. 0
        30 July 2019 13: 00
        Quote: besik
        moderate your ardor, it all costs money. It is necessary not more, but enough.

        The S-350 is not such an expensive complex, it is more about production capabilities.
        1. 0
          31 July 2019 13: 21
          Interestingly, how much does one of our anti-aircraft missiles and one of their Tamogavk cost? If the price is approximately equal, then we can’t extend the victory, they simply throw us with Tomahawks, since the economic power of the NATO countries is not nearly comparable to ours.
          1. +1
            31 July 2019 16: 44
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            Interestingly, how much does one of our anti-aircraft missiles and one of their Tamogavk cost? If the price is approximately equal, then we can’t extend the victory, they simply throw us with Tomahawks,

            Tomahawk about 2 million. C-300 about 1 million green, but IMHO is cheaper for the Russian army. The hero is most likely cheaper than the C-300 one and a half to two times.
            1. -2
              1 August 2019 02: 39
              Axes cost from 800 thousand to 1,5 myo $, depending on what kind of modification. But besides axes, there are plenty of other, cheaper alternatives.
              Quote: Nick
              Tomahawk about 2 million
              1. 0
                1 August 2019 21: 51
                Quote: KrokodilGena
                Axes cost from 800 thousand to 1,5 myo $, depending on what kind of modification. But besides axes, there are plenty of other, cheaper alternatives.

                The first versions of C-300 missiles, which entered service at the end of the 90's, were estimated at 15-20 thousand dollars
              2. +1
                2 August 2019 20: 59
                Quote: KrokodilGena
                In the case of the Russian Federation and a hypothetical confrontation with NATO, this is under 500-800 aircraft of the 5th and 2000+ 4th generation + one hundred or two AWACS / EWs. Moreover, NATO has a strike-type APPLA with a very low ESR, which can be a large number of air defense on duty to reset to zero.

                KrokodilGena, for couch strategists like you:
                Russia has enough anti-aircraft missiles to destroy the huge part of the cited by you - aircraft. Including UAV strike type with small image intensifier tubes. The Russian air defense system cannot be reset to zero. You, Jews, Israelis, Ukrainians and other "non-patriots" - do not forget that there is a deterrent weapon (nuclear weapons and not only ...), which will nullify everything on our Earth, including human life ...
                1. 0
                  10 August 2019 23: 38
                  It is not clear what qualifies you to distribute labels here, who is what kind of strategist? Apparently pretentious and patriotic waving cowards in front of some kind of "Jews", "Israelis", "Ukrainians" and so on. "Under-patriots"?
                  1. 0
                    11 August 2019 00: 55
                    KrokodilGena (Alexander), how can you put on the mask of the DPRK leader Kim Jong-un on himself and spit on him like an enemy? Are you just Janus?
          2. 0
            31 July 2019 22: 20
            then we can’t extend the victory, they just throw us with Tomahawks
            So there seems to be another EW. Hatchets flew to Syria, but half didn’t reach)
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    3. -3
      31 July 2019 15: 24
      Quote: Vladimir61
      "Come on", "give more and more"

      What do you think old systems will be written off right away? will be replaced by 2-3 regiments per year at best
  2. 0
    30 July 2019 06: 42
    But the Republic of Belarus, it’s interesting that it doesn’t want to add anything to its air defense?
    1. +2
      30 July 2019 10: 56
      wants ... to be presented to her by the Knights ...
  3. +3
    30 July 2019 06: 45
    on the start of the implementation of the Turkish-Russian contract for the supply of four anti-aircraft missile systems S-400 Triumph to Ankara


    The Turks bought four S-400 divisions.
  4. +11
    30 July 2019 07: 00
    C-350 medium / small range. For tasks S-400/500 not applying. She has her own roles in a single air defense system, coinciding with the replaced S-300s. On missiles:
    - 96M100 - 8-15 km (n.a., presumably)
    - 96M96 / 96M96M - up to 40 km (they talked about 60)
    - 9M96E2 up to 120 km aerodynamic, up to 30 (in range and height) - ballistic.
  5. +5
    30 July 2019 08: 09
    This system is really NECESSARY, INTERESTING!
    Everything is laid out on shelves and each one has its own pie!
    To notice and destroy everything sho sneaks, quiet !!! This is the highest class of air defense systems!
    There is only one question: WHEN will there be as many of this as NECESSARY?
    1. +1
      1 August 2019 02: 56
      Quote: rocket757
      There is only one question: WHEN will there be as many of this as NECESSARY?

      Without modern, numerous Air Force, with the support of AWACS and refueling, no one, even the most air defense, will not live long. In the case of the Russian Federation and a hypothetical confrontation with NATO, this is under 500-800 aircraft of the 5th and 2000+ 4th generation + a hundred or two AWACS / EW. All the more so, NATO is using a strike-type missile defense system with a very low EPR, which can completely nullify a large number of air defense on duty.
      1. +3
        1 August 2019 07: 48
        Quote: KrokodilGena
        Without modern, numerous Air Force, with the support of AWACS and before refueling, no, even the most air defense itself will not last long.

        I always point out that the best air defense is "TANKS" on enemy airfields!
        "TANKS" is a very broad definition, a whole range of measures, means and TACTICS of repelling an attack by a "hypothetical" enemy, strong, well-armed !!! In the USSR it was, there were also means of counteraction !!!
        Now, in view of the loss of too many strategic positions, we have only vigorous arguments for all the enemy’s Wishlist !!! The enemy KNOWS this and Schaub they did not scream there, he will be afraid of just that!
        Let it be for now!
      2. 0
        1 August 2019 21: 55
        Quote: KrokodilGena
        Without modern, numerous Air Force, with the support of AWACS and refueling, no one, even the most air defense, will not live long. In the case of the Russian Federation and a hypothetical confrontation with NATO, it is under 500-800 LA 5go and 2000 + 4go generation + a hundred or two AWACS / EW.

        Smiled. Why does Russia need so much aviation against the 490 NATO aircraft in the European theater of operations?
        1. -1
          10 August 2019 23: 42
          Quote: Nick
          Why does Russia need so much aviation against 490 NATO aircraft in a European theater?

          490 aircraft ?? In your opinion, in the case of a serious mess, all these Germans, French, Britons, Scandinavians and a bunch of others will be limited to 490 airplanes?)) I am already silent about the USA.
          1. 0
            11 August 2019 00: 03
            Quote: KrokodilGena
            490 aircraft ?? In your opinion, in the case of a serious mess, all these Germans, French, Britons, Scandinavians and a bunch of others will be limited to 490 airplanes?)) I am already silent about the USA.

            At least according to their plans for the 30 year, they plan to deploy just such a grouping in Europe. 30 squadrons. If on average we count 15-17 aircraft in a squadron, we get no more than five hundred.
            1. -1
              11 August 2019 00: 48
              This refers to the European Task Force, the quick reaction army. This does not mean that the countries of Europe will abandon their armies and the rest of the equipment will be cut into needles. What does it have to be the 5th-6th generation aircraft, with support for TBPLA and AWACS. Even if we take these 500, then the Russian Federation still has nothing to oppose.
              1. -2
                11 August 2019 00: 55
                Quote: KrokodilGena
                This does not mean that the countries of Europe will abandon their armies and the rest of the equipment will be cut into needles. What does it have to be 5-6 generation aircraft, with support for TBPLA and AWACS

                Where from? With the fifth generation, even the Amers are not going smoothly, and Europe generally flies on the 4.
                Quote: KrokodilGena
                Even if we take these 500, then the RF still has nothing to oppose.

                Do not make me laugh. Air defense, electronic warfare, tactical nuclear weapons and strategic nuclear forces.
                1. -1
                  11 August 2019 01: 03
                  Quote: Nick
                  With the fifth generation, even amers are not going smoothly

                  What is not smooth there? More than 500 aircraft have already riveted. And with 4m better, both quantitatively and qualitatively.
                  Quote: Nick
                  Do not make me laugh. Air Defense, EW, TNW and strategic nuclear forces

                  Air defense and sacred electronic warfare without serious air force will not last long. And what does the nuclear weapons mean? Which, by the way, in a battle of perfect carriers, is full on the other side.
                  1. -2
                    11 August 2019 01: 09
                    Quote: KrokodilGena
                    What is not smooth there? More than 500 LA already riveted

                    Unfinished
                    Quote: KrokodilGena
                    Air defense and sacred electronic warfare without serious air force will not last long.

                    The Russian Air Force is more than serious. Coeff. 0.95 combat readiness against 0,5 among Americans.
                    Quote: KrokodilGena
                    And what does the nuclear weapons mean? Which, by the way, in a battle of perfect carriers, is full on the other side.

                    For the gifted, I inform you that the presence of nuclear weapons makes the conflict itself impossible in principle. I hope the country of suicide has not yet appeared.
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  6. +11
    30 July 2019 08: 43
    For the normal detection of low-flying targets, it is necessary to hang the radar on a balloon and raise it to a height of 500-1000 meters. The United States can cover its shores with a fleet of AWACS aircraft, they have a lot of them, and then they are developing projects for airships with radar.

    And with us, taking into account the length of the sea and land borders, the presence of "friendly" neighbors, it is in no way possible to manage with ground-based radars, they will simply bypass air defense foci at low altitude. And no AWACS aircraft will be enough.
    1. 0
      30 July 2019 09: 34
      And who are they, with the exception of the Sumerians and tribales?
      1. +3
        30 July 2019 10: 06
        Quote: Ros 56
        And who are they, with the exception of the Sumerians and tribales?


        Do you mean "friendly" neighbors?

        This is practically all - NATO member countries, no matter whether we have good relations now or not, practically any of the former USSR countries can "lie" under the United States, just pay $. And the PRC is not a fact that it will always be a partner, although a massive WTO strike is still possible only from NATO.

        As you know, Russia has only two allies - the army and navy.
        1. 0
          30 July 2019 10: 09
          These, yes, they are afraid of their shadow, they know if only ashes will remain of them.
          1. -2
            30 July 2019 10: 12
            Quote: Ros 56
            These, yes, they are afraid of their shadow, they know if only ashes will remain of them.


            As soon as it comes to nuclear weapons, the question arises, why then do you need everything else? Are they afraid? You can keep a small "anti-guerrilla" army, but the National Guard will have enough.

            And by the way, yes, some big uncles may not ask you before you start.
            1. +1
              30 July 2019 10: 15
              And the big uncles that are immortal? After all, it is said unequivocally - the blow will be inflicted not only on the starting positions, but also on decision centers.
              1. -1
                30 July 2019 10: 59
                big uncles think yes laughing
                1. -1
                  30 July 2019 15: 41
                  Well, they are in vain, not a single nasty thing has left the Russian soldier, let them learn history. soldier
                2. 0
                  31 July 2019 16: 47
                  Quote: besik
                  big uncles think yes laughing

                  Obviously not from a big mind big uncles think so fool laughing
    2. +6
      30 July 2019 10: 19
      And we can add that the S-350 will not solve the hole problem in any way, because First you need to detect a low-flying target, and then shoot. Therefore, the missiles are the second thing. Because any missiles of the S-300/400 anti-aircraft missile range can be used by ANY complex (there was such a TK).

      According to the mind, undetectable areas require other detection methods: for example, scanning for transparency. And the main problem of the same Lena oblast is the proximity to the border of combat positions, on the one hand, and on the other, the MTD (peacetime positions) are even more inconvenient than military ones (I will not decipher).
      And there are no other options for accommodation, as the main task is to cover St. Petersburg (there are still fighting positions in the city itself).

      The same trouble in Kaliningrad and Murmansk. And in Kaliningrad, the situation is the worst (you need to have a review at 360 grams).
      And the worst thing is that you can shoot only after crossing the state border with missiles. Those. in these places, a priori, very short flight time and a high probability of overloading air defense systems by the number of targets.
      This is where the S-350 can be useful.
    3. +4
      30 July 2019 10: 47
      Quote: AVM
      For the normal detection of low-flying targets, it is necessary to hang the radar on a balloon and raise it to a height of 500-1000 meters.

      I also don’t understand why we are ignoring such a way to significantly increase air defense capabilities?
      Moreover, the airship or balloon should be unmanned, with the transmission of information via fiber optic cable.
      1. -1
        31 July 2019 13: 34
        I also don’t understand why we are ignoring such a way to significantly increase air defense capabilities?

        And I have long had great doubts about the reality of the assessment of the situation by our supreme commanders - either there is no money for balloons or for something like that or the unprofessionalism of people in high positions.
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    4. -3
      31 July 2019 15: 26
      Quote: AVM
      you need to hang the radar on a balloon and lift it to a height of 500-1000 meters

      Destroyed in the first place. The AWACS at least maneuvers
  7. +2
    30 July 2019 09: 32
    Good news for us and not very pleasant for our potential opponents.
  8. +4
    30 July 2019 10: 10
    Covering everything at once is impossible, being strong everywhere is unrealistic.
    It is quite possible to create a situation, to overload the air defense with a strong outfit of breakthrough means.

    Objective air defense is precisely what would cover control and communication centers, military bases, industrial areas, strategic bridges and transport hubs.

    And the borders are covered by air defense interceptors.
    1. +5
      30 July 2019 10: 32
      Quote: DimerVladimer
      Covering everything at once is impossible, being strong everywhere is unrealistic.
      It is quite possible to create a situation, to overload the air defense with a strong outfit of breakthrough means.

      Objective air defense is precisely what would cover control and communication centers, military bases, industrial areas, strategic bridges and transport hubs.

      And the borders are covered by air defense interceptors.


      Everything is correct. Namely, the base protection can be overloaded corny. Due to the fact that low-flying EHVs are detected too late and are difficult to hit. Therefore, it is necessary to move the border of detection - defeat. Nobody says that it is necessary to "curtain" the entire border with balloons, it is enough to cover the bases, this will allow to move the range of detection and destruction of low-flying targets from 30-40 to 300-500 km.

      I analyzed this topic in detail:
      - Air defense breakthrough by exceeding its ability to intercept targets: solutions - https://topwar.ru/156999-proryv-pvo-prevysheniem-ee-vozmozhnostej-po-perehvatu-celej-puti-reshenija.html
      - Interaction of ground-based air defense systems and air force aircraft - https://topwar.ru/157242-vzaimodejstvie-nazemnyh-zrk-i-samoletov-vvs-chast-2.html
      - Ensuring the operation of air defense systems on low-flying targets without involving air force aviation - https://topwar.ru/157292-obespechenie-raboty-zrk-po-nizkoletjaschim-celjam-bez-privlechenija-aviacii-vvs.html
      - The revival of airships. Airships as an important part of the 21st century armed forces - https://topwar.ru/157696-vozrozhdenie-dirizhablej-dirizhabli-kak-vazhnaja-chast-vooruzhennyh-sil-xxi-veka.html
  9. +1
    30 July 2019 10: 32
    Damantsev reassured everyone. The country can sleep peacefully.
  10. +4
    30 July 2019 14: 56
    The increase in the radar field of the border territories, including low-altitude airspace, is the most important task for our air defense / missile defense system. That's just to solve it with the help of A-50 and A-100 is possible, but difficult. To a greater extent, these aircraft are focused on the threatened period of time and the conduct of hostilities. The problem is that a small number of these aircraft AWACS does not allow their operation with high intensity. The development of the resource and expensive operation of a four-engine turbojet aircraft in peacetime is wasteful.
    The solution is to use a lighter and more cost-effective version of the aircraft with a turbojet.

    Let me remind you that for A-50 the official data is as follows:
    Detection range of air targets: torches of ballistic non-strategic missiles: 800 km (optical means)
    bombers: up to 650 km
    fighters: 300 km
    cruise missiles (EPR = 1 m²): 215 km

    Range detection of ground targets:
    single target type of launcher of operational-tactical missiles: up to 300 km
    group goals such as "column of tanks": up to 250 km

    Range detection of marine targets (with EPR 250 m²): to the radio horizon
    Number of escorted air targets: up to 300
    Frequency range: electronic intelligence: 0,5 ~ 18 GHz
    radio reconnaissance: 50 ~ 500 MHz

    Number of guided fighters:
    Command Hint: 12
    side guidance: 30

    Flight duration:
    Maximum without refueling: 9,3 hours
    1000 km patrol:
    No refueling: 4 hours
    With 1 refueling: 7 hours

    If, at the same time, the performance characteristics of the perspective Aircraft Drilling Aircraft will be at the level of half the characteristics of the A-50 / A-100, then the project will be quite promising, both for delivery to the Russian Defense Ministry and for sale abroad. The list of countries of potential buyers can be quite wide, and the cost and performance characteristics can pleasantly surprise, against the background of the price of A-50.

    The Yak-44 project can be taken as a basis, which will lead to the expansion of the expansion of the scope of its application as a land-based and sea-based aircraft. This plane was conceived exactly in this form at one time. The prototype of the Yak-44 American aircraft AWACS E-2C "Hawkeye" sold around the world with a circulation of 200 aircraft and is in service with 8 countries. The Yak was significantly improved and at the time of the project's closure had characteristics higher than its American counterpart. In particular, it was seriously modified for a springboard catapultless launch from aircraft carrier ships. I-44 was supposed to be part of the aircraft carrier wing starting with project 11435. Its characteristics fit perfectly into the niche between heavy Ilami and helicopters of this purpose.

    We also considered the option of its use as a tanker (refueling one Mig-29K or 2-x Ka-52K / Ka-27 / Ka-29 / Ka-31 at the same time), anti-submarine (as an aid to IL-38Н and means of a ship warrant PLO), RER and electronic warfare, search and rescue and transport aircraft. All in land and sea based versions.

    The D-27 engines were once produced in the broad cooperation of ZMKB "Progress" (Ukraine) and can be localized in a relatively short time at Russian engine-building enterprises. Expansion of production is possible due to its installation on aircraft on the An-70, modernized ekranoplanes and DKVP, projects such as Bell V-22 Osprey. For the rest, work can be done to unify with the Il-76 and Il-112 onboard equipment and other systems.

    The presence of ground and ship versions of the Yak-44 for various purposes seriously increases its chances of becoming a base aircraft on domestic aircraft, and the main task - expanding the capabilities of our air defense / missile defense in the border areas will be solved.
    1. +2
      30 July 2019 17: 11
      Quote: Bekasov Artem Andreevich
      If, at the same time, the performance characteristics of the perspective Aircraft Drilling Aircraft will be at the level of half the characteristics of the A-50 / A-100, then the project will be quite promising, both for delivery to the Russian Defense Ministry and for sale abroad. The list of countries of potential buyers can be quite wide, and the cost and performance characteristics can pleasantly surprise, against the background of the price of A-50.

      A DRLO airplane with a theater of war, quite light and economical, is needed the day before yesterday.
      “The Soviet military leadership was greatly impressed by the effective use of the Israeli Air Force E-2C Hawkeye AWACS during the Lebanese War of 1982. At that time, the Soviet Union had a limited number of heavy Tu-126s, which had already become quite obsolete. To replace obsolete machines, built in the mid-60s, the development of the A-50 aircraft with the innovative for the USSR radio-technical complex "Shmel" was carried out. However, already at the design stage of the AWACS aircraft based on the IL-76 it was clear that it would not be able to become inexpensive and widespread. "A heavy aircraft of radar surveillance and control, the Soviet Air Force needed a tactical aircraft with a flight duration of 4,5-5 hours and the ability to detect low-flying and stealthy targets at long ranges."
      In general, everything is clear to almost everyone, but things are still there.
      1. +1
        31 July 2019 12: 14
        "Light AWACS" is needed both by naval aviation and in the tactical link of the Air Force. But the trouble is that all the "Wishlist" fit only into the IL-76. In principle, if we contrive an analogue of AESA, the likeness of the Israeli P600 AEW can be depicted on the basis of the Yak-44E (with the proper level of application of the modern technical structure).
        1. 0
          31 July 2019 13: 48
          Quote: g1washntwn
          Online
          g1washntwn (George Washington) Today, 12:14 PM New

          +1
          "Light AWACS" is needed both by naval aviation and in the tactical link of the Air Force. But the trouble is that all the "Wishlist" fit only into the IL-76.

          There were prototypes based on the An-72, but then everything died out.
          Perhaps the experience with the S-350 will somehow contribute to the creation of a light AWAC.
  11. +3
    30 July 2019 19: 14
    Quote: alstr
    You can shoot only after crossing the state border with missiles.


    Gee-gee-gee. These are only muslin ladies. And peasants can do almost anything. Let them later prove that they are white and fluffy, and we got excited.
    1. +3
      30 July 2019 20: 08
      Pretty strange position. A wave of KR rushing at you, and you wait for the code, they cross the GG. It is clear as day that this is a war and the missiles will not unfold and will not fly back or self-destruct. Too expensive provocation will succeed, if so.
  12. +1
    30 July 2019 19: 30
    Here and now there is the so-called mobile telephony, there is a triangulation network, there is no difficulty in equipping these points of the SSC and covering the whole country. For the most part, everything is already there.
    1. 0
      31 July 2019 14: 09
      As with drones, there is no need to carry all the A-100 stuffing, the functions of target location and communication with the "battlenet" are enough.
  13. -2
    30 July 2019 19: 58
    S-350 is a rather controversial conceptual solution, bordering on waste.

    First, according to various estimates, its missiles are 7-10 times more expensive than 48N6 missiles, although they are not 7-10 times more effective, but, on the contrary, they are 100 km shorter than the S-300 and C- missiles 400.

    Secondly, to shoot such an expensive missile at the enemy’s cruise missiles is not wasteful, it’s crazy. And due to the worse range, it can simply miss the carrier of cruise missiles and adjustable bombs.

    No increase in the serial number of missiles will change this situation, because ARGSN is ARGSN and it will cost like gold anyway.

    Of course, the S-350 has a good side - the complex has a new radar, according to some AFAR-based data, and this is a large noise immunity, a long detection range for all stealth objects and a significant step forward in the re-equipment of air defense forces.
    It would be most reasonable to equip the existing S-400 divisions with a radar from Vityaz, leaving the main missile 48N6, and leave 9M96 exclusively for the fleet and equipping them with ships.
    1. +1
      30 July 2019 21: 23
      Secondly, to shoot such an expensive missile at the enemy’s cruise missiles is not wasteful, it’s crazy.
      Madness - to reduce debit with credit in case Tomahawks with nuclear warheads fly. There is the concept of combat effectiveness, if the efficiency is high, then the complex is good, even if it is expensive.
      Higher efficiency than analogues and predecessors, so you have to buy.
      And if, on the basis of the price-quality ratio, everything can be measured, then you can miscalculate. China has chosen this path, but they can have both money, and resources, and they can take a lot of people.
      We can’t count on the quantity — not the USSR.
      1. -1
        30 July 2019 23: 11
        Well, why should the US use nuclear weapons with nuclear weapons, if there are warheads on the Tridents and Minutemans that will hit the targets with a much greater probability and at the same time quickly and without a chance to repel the attack? CRs are just a cheap way to overfill air defense, however, they cannot do anything to defeat strategic goals — flying too long to reach a target is too easy to intercept upon detection. If you put on each CD in the nuclear warhead, then it will be a terrible overspending of expensive weapons. The meaning of all this?
      2. +2
        31 July 2019 04: 41
        The ratio of debit credit is necessary for the rational use of resources in this case with regard to saturation with anti-aircraft defense means in the pre-war time, in war conditions this principle applies in protracted conflicts.
        1. -3
          31 July 2019 13: 44
          So I thought, Kuwat confirmed my thoughts that one anti-aircraft missile of this complex is more expensive than a Tomahawk, which means that our economy will not stretch, or rather "stretch its legs", since it costs nothing for enemies to rivet thousands of such missiles, they have enough resources.
          1. +1
            31 July 2019 13: 55
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            So I thought Kuvat confirmed my thoughts that one anti-aircraft missile of this complex is more expensive than Tomahawk ...

            Yes ... it really took a long time to think laughing

            Quote: Fan-Fan
            enemies should not rivet thousands of such missiles, they have enough resources

            Yes, even millions. Launch at the same time how much they can, tell me gracious? And the second wave may not happen already, think, by the way, why wink

            Quote: Fan-Fan
            our economy will not stretch, but rather will "stretch its legs"

            For the sake of this they wrote, I suppose? Well, Duc ... doesn’t grow together yet request
          2. 0
            31 July 2019 16: 55
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            as I thought, Kuwat confirmed my thoughts,

            Lie.
    2. 0
      31 July 2019 16: 52
      Quote: Nikolai Semirechensky
      Firstly, its missiles are estimated to be 7-10 times more expensive than 48Н6 missiles,

      Lie.
  14. -2
    30 July 2019 19: 59
    And while the ground-based air defense systems will not be equipped with heavy patrol UAVs, any decision to increase their effectiveness will be a palliative.
  15. 0
    31 July 2019 03: 36
    And these same missiles from the S-350, can you charge the S-400?

    Or can they only be used in the S-350?
    1. +1
      31 July 2019 12: 20
      The range of S-400 missiles includes, among other things, 9M96 / M and 9M100. On the contrary, no. Because the tasks of the S-350 are to repel massive and unobtrusive "star raids" (including ballistic targets), and the S-400 is a long / medium-range system.
      1. 0
        3 August 2019 20: 00
        If I understand you correctly, then the S-400 can fire missiles from the S-350.

        Then what is the advantage of the S-350 over the S-400?

        Why does the article say that the S-350 compensates for the shortcomings of the S-400?

        And the same question (about missiles) about the S-500?
        1. 0
          5 August 2019 07: 53
          Once again, each has its own range and role. S-400/500 are most effective at long ranges (although interception at medium / small is also possible). The S-350 was created with a larger ammunition load and improved capabilities to repel massive attacks at short and medium distances. Figuratively, air defense ceased to be lone snipers, now there is nowhere without support shooters, the S-350 is just that. In the event of a massive attack on "snipers" (S-400/500), a "machine gun" (S-350) starts to work, BC up to 12 missiles were made for this very purpose. S-500 - improved missile defense capabilities (and missile defense in the lowest orbits 100-200 km).
  16. -1
    31 July 2019 10: 37
    Quote: insafufa
    As always, they started for health and finished for repose. If without irony, then the problem is precisely the immensity of our homeland, and therefore I consider the concentration of advanced complexes at the border as stupid, they are more needed in central Russia. We won’t shut up all the gaps around the perimeter, but we can cover the central industrial regions from flush from the Urals to Belarus from Murmansk to Kizlyar. Everything else is only focal defense on the principle of strong points. The long-range interception of enemy attack means is still the prerogative of the Air Force to let it in and decide.

    The immensity of our homeland is an insurmountable armor for any enemy. Dinosaurs alosaurs could not bite a brontosaurus, and they walked without fear of the teeth of these predators.
    Same thing with Russia. To attack with low-flying weapons capable of breaking through the defense of air defense against the borders of the Arctic Circle, and threatening the populated areas of Central Russia? But is there such a technical opportunity today, and in the long term for 30-70 years? And if this is not possible, then why build such an impenetrable defense along the entire perimeter of the border?
    The features of the country with the name of the USA are such that for the destruction of 80% of the population a breakthrough of 20-25 strategists of Satan with 10 warheads is enough. Which is a much simpler task than carpet bombing of Russia. The concentration of densely populated cities is different for us and for them. They live close to their sea borders. We are in the depths of the territory.
    1. -1
      31 July 2019 13: 49
      Vitya, and their Tomahawks from, for example, the Kara Sea range reach Altai, where we have mines with ICBMs. And to fly them to the Tamogavkas mainly over the uninhabited taiga, who will find them and bring them down?
      1. 0
        31 July 2019 17: 02
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        Vitya, and their Tomahawks from, for example, the Kara Sea range reach Altai, where we have mines with ICBMs. And to fly them to the Tamogavkas mainly over the uninhabited taiga, who will find them and bring them down?

        ICBM position areas are protected from air, missile and ground attacks by various weapon systems. In addition, the silos of ICBMs themselves are strengthened so much that they can only be damaged if they fall into the funnel of a nuclear explosion. Where can a winged ax, blinded by electronic warfare systems, destroy an ICBM silo if it is equipped with a non-nuclear warhead? Syria Shows How "Effective" Axes Are laughing
  17. 0
    31 July 2019 14: 01
    Or maybe just for military facilities in Poland to gasp for wit. Are they a hostile state? The rest will immediately change the rhetoric ...
  18. +1
    31 July 2019 14: 40
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    Vitya, and their Tomahawks from, for example, the Kara Sea range reach Altai, where we have mines with ICBMs. And to fly them to the Tamogavkas mainly over the uninhabited taiga, who will find them and bring them down?

    There can be no sudden mass nuclear attack. Neither from them, nor from our side. Warheads with such a filling are installed only with the introduction of combat duty. During periods of storage, charges are stored in refrigerators and observing storage rules. The fissile material heats up all the same and decays with the release of argon, nitrogen and other muck, inevitably increasing the pressure inside. Drainage, chemical cleaning, cooling, etc. ..... Thermonuclear with tritium content must be recharged quite often. The half-life of tritium is 12 years. After which it is not suitable for anything. It is quickly polluted by splinters, and .... Ours and their Shtirlits will inform about the beginning of mass preparation. And, it is not known who will quickly lead to the possibility of a strike. I am convinced that it will be faster from hospitals. Underwater and air carriers, which they have more, still need to come to the launch site. For programs and flight paths are crammed into memory and not everyone has the ability to reprogram quickly in already-combat conditions. We have more hospitals. The Kara Sea still needs to be reached. And in which case you can start from the same Altai much .... Nobody needs an empty mine. For reloading it will no longer be necessary. The deal will be done.
  19. 0
    2 August 2019 19: 45
    now it is clear what kind of "cheese" one American general was talking about when justifying the strategy of attacking Russia using holes like in Swiss cheese ...

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