The native carrier "Poseidons" will be launched before the end of the year

The standard carrier of the Poseidon unmanned underwater vehicles - the nuclear submarine Khabarovsk of the 09851 project - will be launched before the end of this year. Reports about it "RIA News"referring to a source in the Russian MIC familiar with the situation."

According to the interlocutor of the agency, the Khabarovsk submarine, which will become a regular carrier of underwater drones Poseidon will be launched at Sevmash by the end of the year, after which it will be completed afloat. The submarine "Belgorod", which was launched earlier, will be an experimental carrier of "Poseidons".

The submarine "Belgorod" is the test carrier of "Poseidon", the regular carrier will be the boat of another project - 09851 "Khabarovsk", which should be launched this year. Its completion will be afloat

- Said the source agency.

Earlier, some media, citing their sources reported that the submarine "Khabarovsk" will be launched not earlier than next spring and will be commissioned in 2022 year.

The first carrier of underwater UAVs - the multi-purpose nuclear submarine "Belgorod" of the 949A "Antey" project - was specially remade under the "Poseidons" and launched on April 23. It was reported that the nuclear submarine Belgorod, capable of carrying six unmanned vehicles on board, would undergo joint tests with the Poseidons for two years.

Details of the nuclear submarine project "Khabarovsk" were not disclosed.

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[NEXUS]

And then the mattresses will make a stink all over the world, screaming about the Russian threat. But in fact, Poseidon, this is not just a weapon of deterrence, but the weapon of the second doomsday strike, just like the Petrel. I wonder what third carrier Poseidon will be ...

[poquello]

Quote: NEXUS

And then the mattresses will make a stink all over the world, screaming about the Russian threat.

yes let them even breed rabbits

[WILL]

Good news for Navy Day! Laid down in 2014, in 2019 - launching ... for the latest project (namely, as the carrier of Poseidons) - the normal time.
In general, the Poseidon project is a new page in Nuclear Containment, a guarantee of the security of Our Country!

[Fedor egoist]

Quote: NEXUS

Poseidon, this is not just a weapon of deterrence, but the weapon of the second doomsday strike, as well as the Petrel

I agree. But Poseidon is also well suited for "strike at the appointed time" (preventive). Unlike "Petrel". But for oncoming and retaliatory-oncoming strikes, both systems are poorly suited.

[Vadim237]

"Counter-strike" - Whoever fires first will die second, Poseidon and Petrel will fulfill their purpose in full, however, like all strategic carriers of nuclear weapons.

[Operator]

The Minuteman and Trident flight times range from 35 to 40 minutes, the Poseidon submarine flight time is 6 minutes.

So in the case of a preventive nuclear missile strike on Russia, its opponents will die first.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Fedor Egoist

But Poseidon is also well suited for "strike at the appointed time" (preventive).

Not suitable. Our doctrine does not spell out a preemptive strike. There is a counterpart. Poseidon and Petrel are systems that are sharpened to hit the second wave, after YARS, Voyevod, etc. ... and they are designed for targeted destruction of command posts, surviving bases, etc., that is, let's say, "control in the head."

[Fedor egoist]

Quote: NEXUS

We do not have a preventive strike in the doctrine

Updating doctrine is not a problem at all. Under Putin, at least three times were updated / added. And the Chinese rewrite their "White Book" almost every year :)
I believe that if there is a need for a preemptive strike, it will be delivered, regardless of the doctrines and statements of politicians.

Quote: NEXUS

Poseidon and the Petrel are systems that are sharpened by the impact of the second wave

Petrel, as a subsonic missile launcher, is suitable only for a retaliatory strike, not even a "second" wave, but a "third or fourth" wave. But Poseidon may well launch a preemptive strike, taking into account its preliminary deployment on the enemy's shelf during a threatened period.
By the way, SLBMs have the same features as the Poseidon. Well suited for a preemptive strike, or already retaliatory. In a counter / retaliatory strike, their capabilities are much lower.

[Horse, people and soul]

The main thing here is not to accidentally push that red button, or else ... there will be the Pacific-Atlantic Strait instead of the USA.

[210ox]

You wanted to say about the ensign's boot thrown by him on the remote?

[Horse, people and soul]

I wanted to say "haha" or even "boogagahaha".

Tremble, the Yankees!

[private person]

I wonder what the third carrier will be Poseidon.

It is even more interesting when "Poseidon" itself will be published and placed on the database. And then there is a carrier and there is nothing to wear.

[rocket757]

This is a punishing SWORD!
It is also necessary to cover it, if something happens!
Comprehensive, full-fledged development of the submarine and surface forces of the fleet! That should be such a goal!

[Sky strike fighter]

This is a multi-purpose Poseidon system. Very relevant, including for countering AUG. In my opinion, there is also a variant with non-nuclear equipment.

The ministry added that the Poseidon ocean-going multipurpose system will be able to fight enemy aircraft carriers and hit coastal targets at an intercontinental range.
"The main advantage of Poseidon is almost one hundred percent invulnerability from enemy countermeasures. The unique capabilities of the device will allow the Navy to fight aircraft carrier and naval strike groups of a potential enemy in any direction of the ocean theater of military operations, to strike objects of coastal infrastructure at an intercontinental range." reported in the Ministry of Defense.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5386307

[Horse, people and soul]

In a non-nuclear version, Poseidon with a nuclear power plant makes no sense. To pollute, so to pollute, but to destroy the enemy for sure and completely.

[Sky strike fighter]

And after such total pollution how are you going to live on planet Earth? This is a disaster on a planetary scale.

To pollute, so to pollute, but to destroy the enemy for sure and completely.

Or are you not going to? At least after us a flood.

[rocket757]

If it comes to the application of the system in full, then both then a fire and an earthquake, ss!
Not even three in one, but a complete cubicle!
PS ..... at the expense of versatility and invulnerability ????? ..... the question has always been controversial, in this case there is also an option to doubt that everything is so unambiguous. The objective boom, the adversary, the alleged one, is also not slurping soup. Strong and equipped not weakly!

[Sky strike fighter]

If it comes to the application of the system in full, then both then a fire and an earthquake, ss!
Not even three in one, but a complete cubicle!

So that it doesn’t come to this and you need a non-nuclear version of the Poseidon Super Torpedo, then this is no longer a nuclear strike, but an effective torpedo strike of high power.

[rocket757]

Not an option if a nuclear power plant, pollution WILL! Who needs this?
This is a doomsday weapon, it’s better to remember it all!

[Horse, people and soul]

No strike with one super-powerful torpedo will destroy the AUG or the entire US Navy base. It will be necessary 20-40 such torpedoes, and this is expensive.

Any attack on the AUG and the U.S. Navy base will provoke a nuclear attack on the same targets on the territory of the attacker.

There's no point. Between a non-nuclear strike and the exchange of nuclear strikes there will be only a few hours to days.

[SSR]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

If it comes to the application of the system in full, then both then a fire and an earthquake, ss!
Not even three in one, but a complete cubicle!

So that it doesn’t come to this and you need a non-nuclear version of the Poseidon Super Torpedo, then this is no longer a nuclear strike, but an effective torpedo strike of high power.

I read you comrades and am amazed. ))) Write about the pollution from the "Poseidon" about the strike on the AUG with a torpedo without YAB, just with a powerful warhead .... so what?
That is, the sunken American missile cruisers and aircraft carriers are not nuclear-powered and environmentally friendly?)))

[210ox]

Well, then who will live for whom? No, the Papuans and others like them completely uninvolved will survive for some time. More precisely, they will try to survive.

[Horse, people and soul]

By that time, the Yankees will destroy us. "Poseidons" so that the Yankees themselves would rather die than live in such a world without Russia.

[Sky strike fighter]

Poseidon is a very necessary thing, which even if it is never used, like a Strategic Missile Forces will hang with a domoclass sword over the United States, that is, this is a significant deterrent if you prove the effectiveness of its use against AUG and the US coast, and prove that it is impossible for the Americans to intercept it. .

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Poseidon is a very necessary thing

Absolutely unnecessary. Everything that Poseidon can do, ICBM can do better

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

The United States does not have underwater missile defense.

They do not have a surface missile defense - their systems are not designed to intercept a massive launch of ICBMs. As a matter of fact, they are not even intended to intercept a single ICBM with a homing rifle

[Sky strike fighter]

They do not have a surface missile defense - their systems are not designed to intercept a massive launch of ICBMs. As a matter of fact, they are not even intended to intercept a single ICBM with a homing rifle

And why then is their missile defense designed for so many years stubbornly created?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

And why then is their missile defense designed for so many years stubbornly created?

For what, in fact, is declared - for the interception of single missiles with indivisible RGM. Well, she does not know how to do more, even cry :)))) In addition ...
Well, for example, anti-missile installations in Europe will accept "tomahawks" even tomorrow - bypassing the INF Treaty, which was destroyed by Trump, but the creators of missile defense could not know about this, right?

[Horse, people and soul]

These launchers are still not for the Tomahawks, but much more cunning ...

The "Perimeter" system launches signal flares across the country to the Far East and against these missiles are just those 10 pieces of interceptor missiles that are intended to shoot them down on takeoff. There is no command from the Perimeter system - there is no response from the strategic nuclear forces with their surviving missiles.

The Americans amuse themselves with the thought that they will be able to minimize Russia's retaliatory strike and achieve the minimum losses from a retaliatory strike. With full confidence in this, the Americans are very close to deciding to strike first with a nuclear strike, in the event of an aggravation of relations.

"Poseidon", "Petrel" and "Vanguard" break these plans for them.

Avangard will be used to destroy decision-making centers as quickly as possible, and Burevestnik will be used to destroy strategic facilities covered by missile defense.
Poseidon, used on cities and bases on the Atlantic, Pacific coasts and Alaska, is the punishing sword of the Doomsday, designed to bring US losses to an unacceptable level.

So let the Americans include the ISKC.

[poquello]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

As a matter of fact, they are not even intended to intercept a single ICBM with a homing rifle

when the Russian Federation only had poplars, the USA was counting on something, because they showed off a lot and made plans, maybe on a preventive strike, maybe on intercepting explosives, and an extra bayonet .., well
"Take care of the bullet in the barrel!"

[Horse, people and soul]

Exactly so. System "Don't touch me!"

There is a film about cowboy shootings: "The Fast and the Dead". Eeeee ... they are not two different people.

[Incvizitor]

So the GDP said: “Why do we need a world in which Russia will not be?”
I completely agree with him on this.

[voyaka uh]

I suppose there will be special control over these large boating boats.
Allocate for each pair of Virginia, who will follow them without stopping.

[Sky strike fighter]

Also say that Virginia-class submarines will be moored at our naval bases near the 09851 projects (Poseidon carriers).

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Also say that Virginia-class submarines will be moored at our naval bases near the 09851 projects (Poseidon carriers).

In fact, almost the way it is - they meet, escort ...

[vitvit123]

So it’s kind of like cartoons ... no?

[Mestny]

This is it, just in case. Once again, remind us savages that the United States is not afraid of anything.
Russophobes as fascists do not change

[Horse, people and soul]

Two American AUGs off the coast of North Korea maneuvered, maneuvered and didn’t come back home without salt.

The US is afraid of a real threat to get a nuclear bomb.

[kot423]

Better at once for 5 Taking into account the scarce data on Poseidon - to get away from surveillance for 5 minutes, release the drone (it will come at low speed + max. Depth) and let it "sunbathe" next to the striped coast. But: the rest of ours have less problems if the striped heaps follow the speakers

[cniza]

Not for 4, three shifts and one in case of vacation.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: kot423

Given the scarce data on Poseidon - get away from surveillance at 5min,

Is it on an old ship of the 3rd generation - alterations from "Antaeus" from the newest atomarina of the 4th? :)))) Well, well :))))
Not that it’s completely impossible, a lot depends on the professionalism of the submariners, but on the whole and in general the United States will have a great advantage in such a hunt

[Dart2027]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

old ship of the 3rd generation - alterations from "Antaeus" from the newest atomarina of the 4th

Depends on the filling. If acoustic fields are brought, then why not. The cases have been licked for a long time, so there is nothing to gain, it’s all about the stuffing.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Dart2027

Depends on the filling. If acoustic fields are brought, then why not.

And how? Have you heard something about the complete replacement of energy in Khabarovsk?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

about a complete replacement of energy

Why complete? Serious noise is made by some units, mainly pumps, which are just really replaceable. Plus new shock absorbers and flexible inserts.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Dart2027

Why complete? Serious noise is made by some units, mainly pumps, which are just really replaceable. Plus new shock absorbers and flexible inserts.

no :))) If we are talking about a serious reduction in noise, then we need a natural circulation of the coolant, this is not solved by replacing the pumps, then all the EU should be replaced. the development of new shock absorbers and inserts for a specific project is still possible, although it is expensive and not good, since the ship is piece-wise, it still will not do the weather. The second question is to the screw, of which there are two.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

then natural coolant circulation is needed

The main circulation pumps are in the third and fourth generation. Like so much more.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

development of new shock absorbers and inserts for a specific project

What are you talking about? Nobody is developing anything for the project and will not.
There are standard shock absorbers, flex links, suspensions, etc. and they are used everywhere. The same goes for any other equipment. Another thing is that, for example, the GMS that were on the "Bars" of the 3rd generation are no longer installed and a new type of GW is being used for the 4th generation.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Dart2027

The main circulation pumps are in the third and fourth generation. Like so much more.

I'm generally talking about natural circulation. Where is she on the 3rd generation boats? "Cheetah", "Vepr" - these are the first boats where it was used. We're talking about Antaea

Quote: Dart2027

What are you talking about? Nobody is developing anything for the project and will not.
There are standard shock absorbers, flexible inserts, suspensions, etc. and they are used everywhere

Yes, they can not be used everywhere in all types of equipment, especially the old one. And what is put on Borey and Ash requires further development when installed on Antei

[Dart2027]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

I'm talking about natural circulation.

About the circulation circuit? In addition to it, the ship still has many working environments that need to be delivered to consumers.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Yes, they can not be used everywhere in all types of equipment, especially the old one.

What nonsense? A shock absorber is a shock absorber, and it does not matter that it absorbs, its characteristics are important. The same goes for the rest.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Dart2027

About the circulation circuit?

Tell me, are you too lazy to google "natural circulation"? We are talking about the movement of the coolant WITHOUT the help of pumps.

Quote: Dart2027

What nonsense? A shock absorber is a shock absorber, and it doesn’t matter that it absorbs

(heavy sigh) ok, put shock absorbers from your car on nuclear powered ships

[Dart2027]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

It is about the movement of the coolant WITHOUT the help of pumps.

But for this very circulation, hefty water intakes should be made on the nuclear submarine, which, well, have a very "good" effect on the acoustic field. and besides

Quote: Dart2027

In addition to it, the ship still has many working environments that need to be delivered to consumers.

and modernization should concern everything, and not just the GEM.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

ok, put shock absorbers from your car on nuclear powered ships

Essentially nothing?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Dart2027

But for this very circulation, you need to make hefty water intakes on the nuclear submarine, which, well, very "well" affect the acoustic field

Let's turn to the experience of the French with their "Rube" - they succeeded in everything and their nuclear submarines are distinguished by low noise. Ours also declare natural circulation in the primary circuit as a way to significantly reduce noise.

Quote: Dart2027

Essentially nothing?

Dart, this is essentially nothing for you. You postulate a unique thesis that the same shock absorbers are suitable for any underwater EC (well, for the sake of justice, they indicated that older ones do not fit new ones). I answered you that there will not be uniform standards there. The reasons for my IMHO are clear - there are different weight and size characteristics and different characteristics, so there is no way to get along with a single type of shock absorber. You peremptorily and unprovenly stated that all this is nonsense - a very substantive issue.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Ours also declare natural circulation in the first circuit as a way

I am aware, only he, in turn, gave rise to new problems that had to be addressed. They decided to decide, but wasn’t it easier to do without this is another question. As for the French, Ryubi is several times smaller than Ash, and accordingly it also needs less water.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

I answered you that there will not be uniform standards there. The reasons for my IMHO are clear - there are different weight and size characteristics and different characteristics, so there is no way to get along with a single type of shock absorber

The fact that no one has ever produced one type of shock absorber, and a ruler is being produced that includes various shock absorbers designed for different occasions is so obvious that I basically did not think that such a simple thing should be explained and called them briefly, in one word . I also explain that they are used not only on nuclear submarines, but everywhere where depreciation is necessary, and nobody creates anything like that specifically for nuclear submarines. And, by the way, the old types work quite well, just in some cases their efficiency increases, and some were developed back in the USSR and nothing works like nice ones.
To be on the safe side, I will explain that the GW of a new type, which are used instead of the GMS, are also not a kind of single "sleeve", but differ in diameter, conducted media, working pressure that they can withstand and length. And they are used not only on nuclear submarines.

[annodomene]

Colleagues, let's be clear. If we are talking about the EC, then this is the first circuit. If we are talking about circus routes, then this is the "self-flow" mode. Both the first and the second have been implemented and can be used on the Antaeus. Structure-borne noise and edge screws add a serious problem. But, as with any factor of increased AP, they can and should be dealt with, or more precisely normalized. A question of time (polygon), which is given little ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: annodomene

If we are talking about the EC, then this is the first circuit. If we are talking about circus routes, then this is the "self-flow" mode

I have nothing to do with the first circuit and I just can’t say anything, but I’m completely aware of the problems with the circus track. But this does not change the fact that not only they can make noise.

[annodomene]

Well, right, they are not the only ones making noise. Sorry, but I will say such an abstruse phrase: the oscillation of the Topaz spools also raises the AP bar quite strongly. About the rest and a whole page is not enough to tell and describe ...

[VALERIK_097]

Andrew, Up to N-30% of her darling and they go (eat. Circulation)

[annodomene]

Easy. True, at the same time, there is a partial upkeep of TN 1k, which is not very good for az, but there is such a regime, why not use it based on the tactical situation.

[Horse, people and soul]

Poseidons will be launched only at the beginning of hostilities.

To let it in advance is to give your weapon into the hands of the enemy.

[Piramidon]

Quote: voyaka uh

I suppose

Deflection counted. Ask the State Department for a cookie.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Piramidon

Ask the State Department for a cookie.

Duc, they were given ten years ahead - 38 billion. Hordes of "warriors" can recruit.

[poquello]

Quote: voyaka uh

I suppose there will be special control over these large boating boats.
Allocate for each pair of Virginia, who will follow them without stopping.

)))) so what is next? will it say "poseidon", kilotons and destination?

[sabakina]

Quote: voyaka uh

I suppose there will be special control over these large boating boats.
Allocate for each pair of Virginia, who will follow them without stopping.

I recall one docfilm, like another Soviet one, which tells about one operation, where the owls. pl went on a mission, they were strictly controlled by NATO forces. NATO perfectly watched them, until ours did a maneuver and disappeared from their field of vision. For a long time it was and I do not remember the name of the docfilm.

[Dart2027]

Quote: voyaka uh

Allocate for each pair of Virginia

Who still need to find them. The days of "roaring cows" are over.

[Horse, people and soul]

These boats don't even need to go anywhere. For a punishing blow, you can even launch the Poseidon from your pier. With such parameters, depth and speed will not catch up. And the Yankes will die in 30 minutes or in two days - there is no difference.

[Piramidon]

Quote: voyaka uh

I suppose there will be special control over these large boating boats.
Allocate for each pair of Virginia, who will follow them without stopping.

You are a strategist-submariner from the deserts of the "Promised Land" as you can see. In all areas - a dock with its own agricultural unit.

[Kerensky]

Allocate for each pair of Virginia, who will follow them without stopping.

Alexey is right. It will be so. But only after the release of the Poseidons, the bourgeoisie can go look for a bay on the good islands. It’s no longer worth bringing down the carrier, you won’t get any devices ... We look at the beach in a calm place.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Kerensky

There’s no sense to bring down the carrier, you won’t get the devices ...

By order of Virginia, the carrier drops before launching the TA. If our submarine receives the order first, then the chances are good that it will be destroyed before the ammunition is completely used up.

[Kerensky]

If our submarine receives the order first, then the chances are good that it will be destroyed before the ammunition is completely used up.

Andrei.
We do not know the required amount of time for the release of all Poseidons. Approximately we know the distance at which Virginia must stay, so as not to grab it ...
In principle, the task is quite decisive ...

[PN]

I will tell you this: RIA Novosti has an extremely unreliable informant.

[sabakina]

Quote: PN

I will tell you this: RIA Novosti has an extremely unreliable informant.

And what to do, order them to do? ..... What they have, they listen ...

[Old26]

Quote: voyaka uh

I suppose there will be special control over these large boating boats.
Allocate for each pair of Virginia, who will follow them without stopping.

To begin with, the Poseidon must begin its sea trials. And then complex ones. Only after that you can talk about something

[Sky strike fighter]

Trials are already underway.

The military began testing Poseidon unmanned underwater vehicles at their training grounds. This was reported to journalists on Thursday at the military department.

https://rg.ru/2018/07/19/voennye-nachali-ispytaniia-podvodnogo-bespilotnika-posejdon.html

[knn54]

There will be details, and we will comment. But for now, I want the nuclear submarine to become a REAL "Mother" for the Poseidons.

[cniza]

Details of the nuclear submarine project "Khabarovsk" were not disclosed.

Briefly and clearly, let the adversaries scratch their turnips.

[Operator]

Quote: voyaka uh

Allocate for each pair of Virginia, who will follow them without breaking

Without coming off - is it like, at a speed of 100 knots at a depth of 1500 meters?

Displacement "Poseidons" is 20 times less than "Virginias", so at low speed the former will be 20 times less noisy than the latter. If necessary, it is the "Poseidons" who will follow the "Virginias" without stopping.

And where can one get so many Virginias that are at least 20 times more expensive than Poseidons?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Alas, we do not have Lavrenty Pavlovich. However, such insanity as heavy atomic torpedoes of strategic nuclear forces with separate nuclear carriers for the USSR designers would not have dreamed of in a nightmare.

[Sky strike fighter]

But the designers of the USSR managed to create a 12-ton sea-launched rocket engine Meteorite-M (Scorpion) for a nuclear submarine with a range of 5000 km with a warhead of 1 ton. Cruising speed of 3 Mach. And no one thought it was crazy. The dimensions, of course, were true, but it was worth it. of that time it was a breakthrough, since the United States did not have systems capable of withstanding it. It’s a pity Gorbachev interfered, everything was already tested and ready.
And Poseidon in the anti-aircraft version probably doesn’t carry a special part, since a non-nuclear warhead can easily pull 2-3 tons from it. Only the engine can pollute a little.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

But the designers of the USSR managed to create a 12 ton sea-based rocket engine Meteorite-M (Scorpion) for nuclear submarines with a range of 5000 km with a warhead of 1 ton.

I agree, but what does this have to do with Poseidon?
The meteorite was created (tried) as a universal rocket to equip the ground forces, air force and navy. The concept of the 3 fly-high altitude missile is controversial, of course, nonetheless it had the right to life. Its essence, as I understand it, was that in the event of a war, such missiles could quickly kill enemy missile defense objects without being detected by space reconnaissance.

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

And Poseidon in the anti-aircraft version probably does not carry a special part

Firstly, there are huge doubts about the existence of such an option, and secondly, as "just a big torpedo" with a conventional warhead, it does not make any sense at all

[PN]

My minus to you, for not knowing the story. There was such an offer from the designers, but the fleet refused it.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: PN

My minus to you, for not knowing the story. There was such an offer from the designers, but the fleet refused it.

My minus to you is either for not knowing the story, or for not being able to read. I wrote

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

such insanity as heavy atomic torpedoes of strategic nuclear forces with separate nuclear carriers for them

In the USSR, the T-15 was developed - a USUAL torpedo with a nuclear warhead and a range of up to 40 km. And this was done in an era when there weren’t any effective sea-based BRs, but even then it was recognized as erroneous

[PN]

And again by. A torpedo with a diameter of a meter is not an ordinary torpedo. And such was supposed. Learn history, minuser.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: PN

And again by. A torpedo with a diameter of a meter is not an ordinary torpedo.

That is, the difference between a conventional and a nuclear engine is not clear to you.

Quote: PN

Learn history, minuser.

Learn materiel, minuser

[Operator]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

With nuclear power plants and unlimited autonomy, it could easily start from the pier

The submarine carrier of uninhabited underwater vehicles with a nuclear power plant serves to return faulty airbags to the base, and not to withdraw serviceable airbags from the base.

Any NPA differs from any torpedo in its neutral buoyancy, all of a sudden.

But your God-chosen armored brain does not understand this.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Operator

The submarine carrier of uninhabited underwater vehicles with a nuclear power plant serves to return faulty airbags to the base, and not to withdraw serviceable airbags from the base.

No need to lie :)))) Khabarovsk is the carrier, not the drag. And secondly, it is difficult to expect such nonsense even from you - are we, in your opinion, building 2 hefty nuclear submarines in order to PUSH off faulty Poseidons? Maybe we’ll also revive Mriyu in order to drag out the defective ICBMs?

Quote: Operator

Any NPA differs from any torpedo in its neutral buoyancy, all of a sudden.

You always confuse what should be and what really is.

[Operator]

"Khabarovsk" is a universal carrier, not a specialized output. Plus, the total number of Poseidon submarines, 200 times cheaper than attack submarines, will be calculated at the level of one to two hundred units, which will obviously require the creation of an oceanic system for their operation, incl. solving the problem of transporting faulty devices to the base.

Admit that you, Maksimka and Shurochka are complete suckers on the issue of the legal acts

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Operator

"Khabarovsk" is a universal carrier, not a specialized output.

How easily we talk about a secret submarine :)))))
Yes, for sure, in addition to Poseidon, Khabarovsk can also pull ultra-small submarines, but the point is that you have gone nuts again. When you are told that Poseidon and his carriers are not necessary to us as a weapon system, to answer "But he can still do something" means to admit defeat

Quote: Operator

The total number of Poseidon submarines, 200 times cheaper than attack submarines

and 15 000 times more useless ...

Quote: Operator

will be calculated at the level of one to two hundred units, which will explicitly require the creation of an oceanic system of their operation, including solving the issue of transporting faulty devices to the base.

I can’t reveal the source of my information, I’ll just say - you are deeply mistaken. What for you, however, is an absolutely natural state. But even you could study the torpedo issue and understand that the ship a la Khabarovsk is completely unnecessary for such tasks.

Quote: Operator

Admit that you, Maksimka and Shurochka are complete suckers on the issue of the legal acts

Honestly, in response to something like that, I don't even want to joke. All the same, Peter was right: "The boyars in the Duma speak according to the unwritten, so that everyone's foolishness is visible" (c)

[mark1]

Quote: Operator

"Khabarovsk" is a universal carrier, not a specialized output.

Your truth (in part).

Quote: Operator

will require the creation of an oceanic system for their exploitation, incl. solving the issue of transporting faulty devices to the base.

It is not excluded. Since the purpose of "Poseidon" (as well as "Petrel") is primarily a preemptive strike. And the task of "Khabarovsk" is to install them at positions throughout the World Ocean, well, even during the operation, they are quite possible and will have to be removed.

[Operator]

You said everything correctly, except for the title of strike - in accordance with the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation, the fastest nuclear strike on our part can only be retaliatory.

But in the case of participation in the Poseidon strike for the population of the main enemy, it will really look preventive - the submarine time of the UAV is 6 minutes (from the US borders), in contrast to the 35-40 minutes of the flight time of the Minutemans and Tridents.

[mark1]

Quote: Operator

In accordance with the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation, the fastest nuclear strike on our part can only be reciprocal.

According to the new version of the military doctrine, the Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation using conventional weapons, when it is compromised the very existence of the state

Quote: Operator

the submarine time for submarines is 6 minutes (from the borders of the United States)

This guarantees detection even during the deployment period - it will not do ... And most importantly, it does not explain the need for nuclear power plants

[Operator]

The Poseidons will be deployed in peacetime at the turn of the 200-mile US economic zone. During the special period, the Poseidons will approach the US border at low speed (6 miles). After the mass launch of American ICBMs and SLBMs, the Poseidons, on command from the Zeus radio transmitter, at a speed of at least 50 knots, will reach the design points of detonation of their 100-megaton warheads.

YSU "Poseidon" is designed for covert sailing at low speed to the borders of a 200-mile zone and tervod, (hydroacoustic signature of "Poseidons" in this mode is 200 times less than shock nuclear submarines), as well as to overcome at full speed the last 6 miles before the explosion.

[mark1]

I absolutely agree with you except one - 200 mile zone.

[Operator]

I conditionally made a binding of the 200- and 6-mile zones as the deployment line and the line of attack of the Poseidons.

In practice, these boundaries for each coastal target will be determined on an individual basis, taking into account the characteristics of hydrology, bottom topography, the presence of shelters such as sunken ships, the intensity of navigation as a masking factor, the configuration of the PLO system, etc.

[voyaka uh]

"The carrier submarine of unmanned underwater vehicles with a nuclear power plant serves to return faulty UUVs to the base," ////
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I mean, Poseidon crashed along the way, the nuclear tsunami failed?
Such a huge uterine submarine will calmly fit, immerse it
and taken to the base for repairs. Is logical.
The Americans will also help to load, they will say: "Take this thing and
let's part with the world. "

[Old26]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Trials are already underway.

It’s good that they’re already going. For originally voiced in August, as the beginning of the CI. Well, if they finish HI next year. I don’t dream of ending in this. And if the next ones start comprehensive, then by 2022 I think everything will become clear regarding the compliance of real performance characteristics announced earlier

Quote: Operator

Plus, the total number of Poseidon submarines, 200 times cheaper than attack nuclear submarines, will be calculated at the level of one to two hundred units

That is, the statement of Putin or Shoigu about 32 Poseidons means nothing to you. Just a shaking of the air. You have a "hard-wired" number of 1-2 hundreds - it means that other opinions are wrong

[Operator]

Quote: Old26

Putin's or Shoigu's statement about 32 Poseidons

Z2 units is for starters. The rest up to and including 200 units - after the reduction of the nuclear submarine production program by one unit.

And so yes: I "shook" and "shook" the air in the matter of the absolute realism of the Poseidon as a strategic weapon, its priority targets, such as special warheads, the power of the nuclear power plant, the noise level at low speed, neutral buoyancy, thin-film coating of the hull, the system connections, etc. etc.

[Sky strike fighter]

It turns out that Poseidon is not a Super Torpedo, but a miniature drone attack submarine. Like the Global Hawk, but only under water, and not in the sky. And already in Poseidon there are high-speed deep-sea torpedoes with small-sized nuclear power plants.

Recall that the unmanned underwater vehicle, which was named Poseidon by universal suffrage on the website of the Ministry of Defense, is included in the state armament program for 2018-2027. The device is a fully robotic high-speed deep-sea stealth nuclear submarine. Poseidon is a fundamentally new type of naval underwater weapon based on the use of unmanned underwater vehicles. The device provides for the placement of several high-speed deep-sea torpedoes with a small-sized nuclear power plant. The most powerful will be a monoblock thermonuclear warhead - up to 2 megatons.

https://rg.ru/2018/07/19/voennye-nachali-ispytaniia-podvodnogo-bespilotnika-posejdon.html

[Operator]

This is misinformation from Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

Poseidon is not a torpedo or a submarine, but an uninhabited underwater vehicle, sharpened to engage stationary coastal objects such as naval bases, megacities, industrial zones, etc. with the use of a three-stage thermonuclear warhead with a capacity of 100 Mtn (in the sense - it will not miss).

Poseidon will not be able to attack anything with mini torpedoes due to the limited level of its artificial intelligence. The maximum that Poseidon will do as an anti-ship weapon is to detect an aircraft carrier by the characteristic noises of propellers and follow it with the aim of incapacitating (along with escort ships) by means of a high-power underwater explosion.

[Sky strike fighter]

So Poseidon is a MULTI-PURPOSE complex and does not contradict one another. Depending on the circumstances and tasks facing it. How did you get the idea that this is a disinformation? Explain.
How do you know what he can and what can’t? You didn’t create him. You only assume.

[Operator]

I have already said that the level of Poseidon's AI is not designed for the search, classification and attack of ships (except for an aircraft carrier, which is simply detected and classified at a distance of +500 km when navigating in a deep water area and up to +100 km in a shallow area).

Theoretically, with progress in AI, Poseidon can also be used as a carrier of torpedoes (not necessarily mini, since the diameter of the NSV's hull is 1,6 meters, and the length of the warhead is about 8 meters).

[Operator]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

I can not disclose the source of my information

Let me guess - OBS?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Operator

Let me guess - OBS?

As always - with a finger to the sky :)))))

Quote: Operator

Z2 units is for starters. The rest up to and including 200 units - after the reduction of the nuclear submarine production program by one unit.

But you still need to tie up with hard drugs :))) Because in the current (past you) reality, the nuclear submarine series has been increased by 2 units.

Quote: Operator

And so yes: I "shook" and "shake" the air in the question of the absolute realism of "Poseidon"

Shake on, you are our shaker :)))))) Someone can think, someone can work with sources, alas, your destiny is air shake

[Old26]

Quote: Operator

Z2 units is for starters. The rest up to and including 200 units - after the reduction of the nuclear submarine production program by one unit.

Poking around in Putin’s head or attending all secret Security Council meetings? Except 32 NO SINGLE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN SOUND regarding quantity "POSEIDONS"
2 hundreds are your wet dreams of global power

[Operator]

Do you have a brain in your head or just a dubbing scanner?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Operator

You have a brain in your head

Vladimir has a brain. But what’s in your head ... no, I won’t even guess

[Demagogue]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

in my absence, in the topics devoted to modern weapons, unconscious personalities fill up and begin "with completely unbearable swagger to give some advice of a cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity"?

Yes, a funny coven. If at this moment you connect all those polishing your ebonite sticks to Poseidon to the power grid, then you can power a district center)

[Demagogue]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

How easily we talk about a secret submarine :)))))
Yes, for sure, in addition to Poseidon, Khabarovsk can also pull ultra-small submarines, but the point is that you have gone nuts again. When you are told that Poseidon and his carriers are not necessary to us as a weapon system, to answer "But he can still do something" means to admit defeat

No one will drag anything there. In peacetime, this thing is unlikely to be loaded into the carrier (taking into account the general crapiness of the idea, I think that this whole mechanism has not been thought out and debugged), but in the military it needs to be loaded, sailed to the border, another shot - they want to push it out of the carrier It’s interesting, too, not a torpedo, you can’t blow it out with air.

After the exchange of the first volleys of tridents and other clubs, there will no longer be everything to this.
And taking into account the fact that at least half of the charges are made at one time, more than one combat ready vehicle will definitely not be one of two when needed.

[Operator]

Quote: Dart2027

The main circulation pumps are in the third and fourth generation. Like so much more

The armored "Andrey from Chelyabinsk" firmly believes that the condensate from the turbine into the steam generator is supplied by natural circulation, and not pumped over (since I have never heard of the second coolant circuit)

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Operator

Armored "Andrey from Chelyabinsk" firmly believes that the condensate from the turbine is supplied to the steam generator by natural circulation

Clowning continues :))))
I wrote about natural circulation. Which, in fact, is in the first circuit, and this is a well-known fact. In general, I understand the desire to find a mistake with me, but ... Not for you. At least not in this life :)

[Operator]

In fig, you talked about the natural circulation of the coolant in the first circuit, when there is always forced circulation in the second?

About the fact that in the NPA issue you are technically illiterate at the level of Maksimka (with an unforgettable 1000-meter depth of the Atlantic sound channel in the Norwegian Sea) and Shurochka (with an X-ray laser as a means of searching for nuclear submarines)

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Operator

In fig, you talked about the natural circulation of the coolant in the first circuit, when there is always forced circulation in the second?

And you did not try to learn the materiel :)))) Then, that the transition to natural circulation in at least one circuit already significantly reduces noise

Quote: Operator

About the fact that in the issue of legal acts you are technically illiterate

Very happy to hear that. Because if you told me that I was right in something, that is, if my point of view coincided with yours, I would have to urgently go for a consultation with a psychiatrist - madness, they say, is contagious

[Operator]

"Perceptibly" - i.e. you do not know?

It is not necessary to learn YaSU materiel on Wikipedia (which is already a diagnosis of your mental health).

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Operator

"Perceptibly" - i.e. you do not know?

Before the decibel - of course not. I do not have this access

Quote: Operator

It is not necessary to learn YaSU materiel on Wikipedia

Hmm, the first common thought from the operator over the past year and a half :))) Maybe you will not only pronounce it, but also take it into service?

[Demagogue]

Quote: Operator

Shurochki (with an X-ray laser as a search engine for nuclear submarines)

Excuse me, but what do you dislike about laser sensors for searching for objects under water?

https://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/AirborneLaserMineDetectionSystem/Pages/default.aspx

Here's an example of the latest US mine search facility. Can quickly make a map of the minefield and mines can simply be bypassed without clearing the mine, which saves time in a combat situation.
And this is only the first swallow. To search for pl also prepare the system. If you haven’t done it yet, but they forgot to tell us.

[Operator]

In Shurochka Timokhin's statement, the main thing was the adjective "X-ray"

Optical lasers are really used to search for submarines - but only in tropical seas with water transparency up to 30 meters. In this case, the laser beam should be directed almost perpendicular to the surface of the sea, and the surface itself should be calm, otherwise the energy of the beam reflected from the water will exceed the energy of the beam reflected from the underwater object.

Similarly, during WWII, American anti-submarine aircraft using powerful searchlights at night searched for German submarines in the Caribbean.

[Demagogue]

Quote: Operator

In Shurochka Timokhin's statement, the main thing was the adjective "X-ray"

Optical lasers are really used to search for submarines - but only in tropical seas with water transparency up to 30 meters. In this case, the laser beam should be directed almost perpendicular to the surface of the sea, and the surface itself should be calm, otherwise the energy of the beam reflected from the water will exceed the energy of the beam reflected from the underwater object.

Similarly, during WWII, American anti-submarine aircraft using powerful searchlights at night searched for German submarines in the Caribbean.

With an X-ray laser, he could translate blue laser with X-ray preionization. He is not a specialist.

And your information is outdated. Experiments in the USSR and the USA up to 91 yielded detection up to 100 m depth. Now the Americans can certainly 200 m and the Chinese are also fussing - they say they want to reach 500 m from the satellite.

[Operator]

"He's not an expert" is not the right word

I did not claim that the depth of detection of the submarine by the laser of the optical range is limited by the distance of visibility under water with the human eye (30 meters for tropical seas). Indeed, the distance of laser detection of submarines in calm in the tropics at an angle of 90 degrees was reached at the level of 100 meters, but this is the maximum - with an increase in the laser power in water, nonlinear optical effects appear that defocus the beam.

[Operator]

Quote: Dart2027

That's just for this very circulation you need to do hefty water intakes on the submarine

Shh, do not educate a "connoisseur of marine technology" on the presence of not one or even two, but three nuclear reactor heat removal circuits on the nuclear submarine

[Operator]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

deci

You do not know the number of circuits of the nuclear power system and the ability to organize a natural circulation for them - well, this is inherent in you.

But even the deci prefix to the unit of measurement of sound power does not tell you anything. What have you finished - culinary college?

[Demagogue]

Quote: Operator

"He's not an expert" is not the right word

I did not claim that the depth of detection of the submarine by the laser of the optical range is limited by the distance of visibility under water with the human eye (30 meters for tropical seas). Indeed, the distance of laser detection of submarines in calm in the tropics at an angle of 90 degrees was reached at the level of 100 meters, but this is the maximum - with an increase in the laser power in water, nonlinear optical effects appear that defocus the beam.

From 100 m it is the information translated into Russian from article 83 of the year. If you believe her, then yes, all in vain.
The Chinese do not know what they can’t reach at 500 meters, and naive Americans make laser scanners to search for mines under water. It is necessary to write to the Central Committee of the CPC or something. And to the pentagon.

[Operator]

Believe the translated article of 1983 of the year, not the Chinese.

[Operator]

Quote: voyaka uh

Such a huge uterine submarine will calmly approach, load it and take it to the base for repair

Exactly so - with one small amendment: the meeting point of the carrier submarine with the Poseidon on the border of the 200-mile zone will be known only to the crew of the carrier submarine.

And what will an enemy submarine do with a carrier submarine - torpedo it? In peacetime, in international waters, well, well ... ..

[aszzz888]

The submarine "Belgorod" is the test carrier of "Poseidon", the regular carrier will be the boat of another project - 09851 "Khabarovsk", which should be launched this year. Its completion will be afloat

Very good news on the eve of the holiday of the Russian Navy!

[Cry]

This means that the next president of the United States will take up combat duty.

[mark1]

Quote: Nehist

MARCH TO SCHOOL TO TEACH PHYSICS !!!

March to school to learn grammar! And in general, to learn when it’s not too late!

[Nehist]

Mandatory !!! But after you physics

[mark1]

I think bargaining is not appropriate here.

[Nehist]

Gg grammar and spelling over the past 100 years has changed at least twice! But physics is not

[mark1]

You can be a good cattle breeder and write with mistakes, but if you position yourself as an expert in physics and a bearer of secret knowledge, and write as an illiterate cattle breeder, those around you begin to be tormented by "vague doubts"

[karabass]

Comrades, even if the Poseidon does not work as it should, provided that it works at all, or in principle, I think that it is extremely important, because its task is primarily to scare the United States. Just imagine how they will have to exert effort to work out to develop a counteraction

[Old26]

Quote: Horse, people and soul

System "Perimeter" launches signal flares across the country to the Far East

Signal flares are usually launched either by special devices resembling a fountain pen, or by a flare gun designed to launch signal flares, in extreme cases it is a special one-time device that resembles a festive firecracker. Lifting height above the ground maximum 500 meters. And most often 150. When fishing, hunting, or just when going out into the countryside, you can launch flares for fun. "Perimeter" launches TEAM ROCKETS.

Quote: Horse, people and soul

and against these missiles are just those 10 pieces of missile defense that are designed to shoot them on takeoff ..

Ltd! And from this place you can read more. Why 10, from where they will shoot, for what purpose, to what height and distance ...

Quote: Horse, people and soul

The Americans amuse themselves with the thought that they will be able to keep Russia’s retaliatory strike to a minimum and achieve a minimum of losses from the retaliation.

Just about this they do not entertain themselves with such a thought. For almost 20 years since their withdrawal from the ABM Treaty, they have each time stated that their ABM is not against Russia. But each time, even at the highest level, we stated to confirm our ideological orientation that their missile defense is against us. Not paying attention to the performance characteristics of this missile defense ...
They understand this very well, and for them it became clear a year or two after the conclusion of the ABM treaty, when they mothballed their strategic missile defense and lived without a strategic missile defense for twenty-five years. And the next 20 years they deployed their strategic interceptors in such a place and in such numbers that even the Chinese ICBMs will not be able to intercept everything, not to mention the Russian ones ...

Quote: Horse, people and soul

"Poseidon", "Petrel" and "Vanguard" break these plans for them.

We’re not breaking anything for them. Moreover, regarding these systems, we gave them carte blanche to develop new means of tracking and interception, which they had not had before. We ourselves launched an arms race. That's just the money they don’t peck at - the military budget is about 700 billion against our military budget, which is at least an order of magnitude less.

Quote: Horse, people and soul

Vanguard will be used to destroy decision-making centers as quickly as possible.

But for this he is not at all suitable. To bring it to its flight path, it is necessary to launch an ICBM, and not just one. In about 3-5 minutes, information about the launch of ICBMs from the territory of Russia will already be on the president's table, and in 5-10 minutes an order will be given to retaliate against Russia. And then the evacuation of the "decision-making centers". When the "Vanguard" reaches the "decision-making center, this center will already be empty. And by" maneuvering "in the atmosphere, the block will not increase its accuracy. So Cheyenne may miss on the same mountain ...

Quote: Horse, people and soul

"Burevestnik" for the destruction of strategic targets covered by missile defense.

Will he "reach" these objects? How many hours will he go to them? And that, everything is already, incl. and the Americans have forgotten how to shoot down subsonic targets?

Quote: Horse, people and soul

Poseidon, used on cities and bases on the Atlantic, Pacific coasts and Alaska, is the punishing sword of the Doomsday, designed to bring US losses to an unacceptable level.

Can you explain how undermining a 2-Mt charge in water can cause unacceptable losses?

Quote: Horse, people and soul

So let the Americans include the ISKC.

It would also not hurt us to do this, and not to lull and not accept on faith political statements that sometimes run counter to the laws of physics ???

Quote: Operator

The Poseidons will be deployed in peacetime at the turn of the 200-mile US economic zone. During the special period, the Poseidons will approach the US border at low speed (6 miles). After the mass launch of American ICBMs and SLBMs, the Poseidons, on command from the Zeus radio transmitter, at a speed of at least 50 knots, will reach the design points of detonation of their 100-megaton warheads.

YSU "Poseidon" is designed for covert sailing at low speed to the borders of a 200-mile zone and tervod, (hydroacoustic signature of "Poseidons" in this mode is 200 times less than shock nuclear submarines), as well as to overcome at full speed the last 6 miles before the explosion.

Well, about a 100-Mt charge - this is your fix idea. Although the country's leadership claims about 50 times less power
Did not try to calculate what is the buoyancy of this product, at least very gently? And can she even go in sneaking mode?

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Fedor Egoist

But Poseidon is also well suited for "strike at the appointed time" (preventive).

Not suitable. Our doctrine does not spell out a preemptive strike. There is a counterpart. Poseidon and Petrel are systems that are sharpened to hit the second wave, after YARS, Voyevod, etc. ... and they are designed for targeted destruction of command posts, surviving bases, etc., that is, let's say, "control in the head."

The fact that in the open version of the doctrine there is no provision on a preemptive strike does not mean that such a strike is not foreseen at all. There is such a term, as you were rightly told - "strike at the appointed time." such a blow is preventive

Quote: mark1

I absolutely agree with you except one - 200 mile zone.

Why are you not happy with the 200-mile zone, but do you agree with everything else ??

[poquello]

Quote: Old26

Americans forgot how to shoot down subsonic targets?

))))) surprise me when the Americans learned to shoot down subsonic maneuvering targets bypassing air defense zones?

[Old26]

Quote: poquello

Quote: Old26

Americans forgot how to shoot down subsonic targets?

))))) surprise me when the Americans learned to shoot down subsonic maneuvering targets bypassing air defense zones?

Do you seriously think that the Petrel will perform such pirouettes at subsonic speed to disrupt guidance ???
Missiles of such a plan can be shot down even from a heavy machine gun, not to mention short-range air defense systems and air combat missiles on fighters