The Italian aircraft carrier "Cavour" will be upgraded to F-35B fighters

The command of the Italian Navy sent to the modernization of the aircraft carrier "Cavour" (Cavour), after which the ship will be able to take fifth-generation fighter aircraft F-35B with a shortened takeoff and vertical landing. It is reported FlotProm with reference to Naval Today.

Italian Navy aircraft carrier Cavour docked at shipyard fleet in Taranto, where the ship will be upgraded. What kind of work will be carried out is not reported, but it is planned that the entire modernization will be completed by the spring of next year, after which preparations will begin for the deployment of the ship off the east coast of the United States, where it will undergo tests for landing and taking off from the aircraft carrier of F-35B fighters.

In order to replace the deck aviation The Kavura Italian Defense Ministry previously ordered 30 additional F-35B fighters in the US for the Navy and Air Force, which will join the F-35A version already ordered. The first F-35B for the Navy was received in January 2018.

The new F-35B fighter jets will replace the outdated AV-8B Harrier attack aircraft on the aircraft carrier.

The aircraft carrier "Cavour" is the flagship of the Italian Navy. Launched July 17 2001, launched on July 20 2004. Officially transferred to the 27 march of March 2007 of the year, but 10 was commissioned on June 2009 of the year.

Key Features: Displacement standard 27910 tons, full over 35000 tons. 244 meter length, 39 meter width, 8,7 meter draft. The speed of 30 knots. 7000 nautical range on 16 nodes. Equipped with four gas turbine engines. The crew is a 486 man, as well as a 211 man of air personnel and 360 marines.

Air wing (before modernization): eight AV-8B Harrier attack aircraft and 12 helicopters. Able to transport up to 100 units of wheeled vehicles, or 24 main combat tank, or 50 heavy combat armored vehicles.

Comments

[Igor Shcherbina]

What can I say, well done, they are modernizing their aircraft carrier, they are doing it right.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Igor Shcherbina

What can I say, well done, they are modernizing their aircraft carrier, they are doing it right.

The question is, against whom are the Italians going to use this aircraft carrier? Despite the fact that the F-35 air wing is not a cheap pleasure at all.

[armata_armata]

The question is, against whom are the Italians going to use this aircraft carrier?

By God, children's questions, where the Americans will ask there and drive ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: armata_armata

By God, children's questions, where the Americans will ask there and drive ...

This is not a childish question, dear. All over the world, in most countries, forces are coming to power that you do not feed with bread, but let them unleash a heated war. And this death of civilians is much greater in number than during WWII. And this, alas, the realities of today.

[armata_armata]

This is not a children's issue, dear. All over the world, in most countries, forces are coming to power that you don’t feed with bread, but let me start a war hot

Throughout the history of mankind it was somehow different?
To prevent this from happening, we ourselves must maintain a decent army and navy, which the enemy would fear

[NEXUS]

Quote: armata_armata

Throughout the history of mankind it was somehow different?

But with every war, the death toll grows in progression. In World War I, about 10-15 millions died, in WWII, the total death toll is about 100 millions ... and World War III will increase these numbers not by times, but by an order of magnitude.

[Alex777]

... in WWII, the total death toll is about 100 million ...

Where did they get such numbers ???

[Grits]

Quote: NEXUS

This is not a childish question, dear. All over the world, in most countries, forces are coming to power that you do not feed with bread, but let them unleash a heated war.

So you answered your question

[Igor Shcherbina]

Just an example should be taken from them.

[Sky strike fighter]

In my opinion, the days of bulky aircraft carriers pass. They become too vulnerable targets for modern weapons. With different Libya you can still fight with one, two aircraft carriers, but with a strong opponent, you don’t have a submarine fleet anymore. The US carrier fleet stands alone, due to the whole system of the carrier fleet and the powerful escort that accompanies each aircraft carrier. Although during the exercises with the participation of US aircraft carriers with the same French (NAPL Skorpen) and Swedes (NAPL Gotland), the capabilities of NPLs to drown torpedo aircraft carrier by stealthily approaching it were demonstrated.

[Streamil]

I absolutely agree, +
Aircraft carriers only for the war with the "bearded", in the war with the enemy of their class will be sunk immediately (not much needed) CD with nuclear warheads or torpedo with submarines

[777-3-59-97]

Aircraft carriers only for the war with the "bearded", in the war with the enemy of their class will be sunk immediately (not much needed) CD with nuclear warheads or torpedo with submarines

Smart people have already said that this is nonsense.

[Per se.]

Quote: FreamiL

Aircraft carriers only for the war with the "bearded", in the war with the enemy of their class will be sunk immediately (not much needed)

"Iron logic", that way, and tanks are not needed, everything will be swept away by a nuclear explosion. You, even a stake on your head, amuse yourself, everything is "money for the fish" ... While aviation is needed at sea, its carriers will also be needed - aircraft carriers. Finally, who is this "in-class enemy" for the US AUG? We will soon have no ships in the ocean zone, there are a lot of provocateurs here who do not need a fleet for Russia, that there are aircraft carriers there. Peter I, such "economical" adherents of "land" Russia, would hang on poles and yards. For the information of all tearfully mourning the people's penny, hundreds of billions of dollars are flowing out of Russia, and this is not the fault of the aircraft carriers. In addition, aircraft carriers are needed not only and not so much for a big war as for the prelaunch period, when deploying forces to strike (or repelling an attack), stopping problems in peacetime, for local conflicts, pressure to defend national interests. In the latter case, preventing a major war is much more important than participating in it.

[Sky strike fighter]

Just in view of the impossibility, even in Soviet times, to build a surface fleet comparable to the American one with its AAG, it was decided to bet on nuclear submarines, such submarines with long-range anti-ship missiles and torpedoes as the most threatening weapon for numerous AUGs, along with Long-Range Aviation equipped with anti-ship missiles like the X 22 and today X-32. If there are no own AUGs, then we must make sure that there are no alien AUGs, with the help of their defeat in the event of war. We must soberly assess our capabilities, and not build our aircraft carriers.
To counter the AUG, air and sea-based meteorites were created. Range of about 5000 km, speed under 3,5 Mach. I think the warhead is a ton under a weight.
That is, an asymmetric answer. What we need now.

[Per se.]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Just in view of the impossibility, even in Soviet times, to build a surface fleet comparable to the American one with its AUG

There is no need, dear Maxim, to build a "comparable" fleet to the United States. We, by and large, cannot build the same destroyers and frigates than the United States (all the more, together with NATO and Japan). That, according to this logic, we will not build frigates either, we will crush them with "Rooks"? There is nothing to do with submarines alone at sea, the experience of the Third Reich with Admiral Doenitz is here from the indicators. In the USSR, the need for aircraft carriers was realized, from aircraft-carrying cruisers to the nuclear-powered Ulyanovsk. Your logic is clear, like, the car itself does not, so we will find a rusty nail for other people's wheels, even if they do not drive. So they will still ride! About the miracle missiles, thank you, in an all-out war, much that is not required, I do not want to repeat, but apparently what has been said does not reach the people - it is easier and cheaper to prevent a war than to win it. As for the missiles, "aircraft carrier killers", everything would be so unambiguous, well, all the significant fleets of the world would not build aircraft-carrying ships.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Just in view of the impossibility, even in Soviet times, to build a surface fleet comparable to the American one with its AUG, it was decided to bet on nuclear submarines

As a result, the money, time, resources and production capacity spent by the USSR on this "asymmetric response" were equivalent to the construction, preparation and maintenance of 7-8 full-fledged AUGs.

[Klingon]

They were created, but now hypersonic means of destruction like zircon or the same dagger become promising against AUG

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

That is, an asymmetric answer. What we need now.

stop going on with this asymmetrical response nonsense ...
The answer can never be asymmetric.
An aircraft carrier in a warrant could be destroyed only by a couple of regiments of Tu-22M3 type aircraft, and even then with the simultaneous strike of a couple of Anteys.


And these are absolutely the same, if not big money expenses.
The same $ 25 billion spent on fully equipped aerodromes with BAO.
Millions of tons of fuel for pilot training.
For hundreds of pilots who needed to be trained.
To military camps.

Aircraft of the Tu-22M3 type - for modern money, no less than a billion dollars will cost.
And how much does Antei type submarine cost?
If every day of her service costs 2-4 million rubles.
apart from construction.

There are no asymmetric answers.

[Streamil]

Eck you got something) "provocateurs mourning the people's penny", "poles and yards")
They themselves said, "We will soon have ships in the ocean zone," so they can be produced according to the existing projects, modernized, something that can be modernized, and not spend this money on R&D, construction and further maintenance of an unnecessary aircraft carrier, because one is about nothing (imagine that there are no bases in Syria, but there is 1 aircraft carrier, and what?

[Per se.]

Quote: FreamiL

They themselves said, "We will soon have no ships in the ocean zone", so they can be produced according to existing projects, modernized

One does not interfere with the other, especially since it is necessary to preserve and develop experience. At one time, it took a lot of effort for the Soviet Union to start designing cruisers and battleships themselves, for this they collaborated with Italy before World War II, and after that the captured ships were studied, the same unfinished German aircraft carrier Graf Zeppelin. Experience and technology are long and expensive, and you can pump everything very quickly. We don't need more than the Yankees or anyone else, but we need a full-fledged fleet capable of solving absolutely all tasks at sea. This is possible only in the presence of all types of ships, the need for which has given rise to scientific and technological progress, the development of weapons of war at sea, including aircraft carriers.

[UAZ 452]

At one time, it took a lot of effort to start designing cruisers and battleships in the Soviet Union themselves

And what about the battleships built by the USSR?

[Sky strike fighter]

Finally, who is this "in-class enemy" for the US AUG?

Well, in Soviet times, this was an air and sea-based meteorite project. Such an asymmetric answer.

TTX missiles:

Project data Marine version 3M25 Aviation version 3M25A
Length 12.5 m 12.8 m
Hull diameter KR 900 mm 900 m
Wingspan 5.1 m 5.1 m
Wing area 22 sqm 22 sqm
Starting weight 12650 kg
Mass of the sustainer stage (cruise missile) 6380 kg 6300 kg
Range of more than 5000 km up to 5000 km according to the project
Marching speed 2.5-3 M
more than 3500 km/h about 3000 km/h according to the project
Flight altitude over 20000 m 22000-24000 m according to the project
Warhead weight - about 1000 kg

Flight duration - more than 1 hour

Warhead Type: Nuclear

Modifications:
- Complex P-750 "Meteorite-M", rocket 3M25 "Thunder" - SS-NX-24 SCORPION - sea-based CRBD for arming SSGNs.

- Complex "Meteorite-A", rocket 3M25A "Thunder" / product 255 - AS-X-19 KOALA - airborne KRBD for arming Tu-95MA carriers.

http://alternathistory.com/raketa-3m25-meteorit-nesostoyavsheesya-superoruzhie-rossii/

[yehat]

aircraft carriers were not outdated, but they ceased to be something absolute, as before the dreadnoughts.
I'm not at all impressed with the capabilities of the f-35V, but if you compare the alternative to operating harriers, the replacement step is very useful

[777-3-59-97]

They become too vulnerable targets for modern weapons.

Smart people have repeatedly explained that not everything is so simple even with modern weapons. But already many times a barrel organ about helplessness and vulnerability of aircraft carriers is started.

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: 777-3-59-97

They become too vulnerable targets for modern weapons.

Smart people have repeatedly explained that not everything is so simple even with modern weapons. But already many times a barrel organ about helplessness and vulnerability of aircraft carriers is started.

Give convincing arguments said by these smart people, explain to us exactly what is wrong with modern weapons. Nobody speaks of the helplessness of aircraft carriers, but they have vulnerabilities that, if modern weapons are available, it’s a sin not to use it.

[777-3-59-97]

https://topwar.ru/158716-kak-raketnomu-korablju-potopit-avianosec-neskolko-primerov.html

The comments in the article have many reasons. Can read

[Sky strike fighter]

But we don’t have satellites to monitor everything that happens on the surface, including the Pacific Ocean? The Liana system will work in full force until the beginning of 2020. ZGRLS See the Sunflower for thousands of kilometers. How can we not see the aircraft carrier, and even with the escort?
The depth of battle formations in the exercise against the Scorpen submarine was not enough for the Americans. So what about the depth of "continuous hydroacoustic illumination", what words, someone exaggerated a little on emotions. How long does the Onyx anti-ship missile system work with a special unit? 800 km. That's right. So there are hundreds of kilometers. Well, of course, a torpedo is more reliable. Approach a distance of 50-60 km under water to an aircraft carrier and a volley of torpedoes, how will you intercept them?
To see the submarine by the wave manifestations on the surface, it is necessary that it goes quickly at the periscope depth. This is not an argument. The submarine is important for the submarine and it will not be so unmasked.
Remember what fables were about German Tirpitz in World War II and how it all ended?

[bugagich]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

The Liana system will work in full force until the beginning of 2020.

Liana is essentially built on the principle of legend. the cost of the legend was comparable to the cost of building an aircraft carrier fleet. and the efficiency turned out to be awful. she could give light to one area only 1 time in 2 days, and only for one and a half minutes. I must say that it was very unreliable - out of about 3 dozen satellites, no more than 4 were working in orbit ...
the legend is naturally more reliable, the satellites are more advanced, but the orbit is raised (for survival). you just need to understand that this, like the legend, will not give a guarantee. First, due to the exorbitant cost, the constellation of satellites will be limited, which will no longer provide the necessary guarantee. secondly, an elevated orbit is a temporary measure, because the development of anti-satellite weapons is much simpler than the creation of the satellite systems themselves. thirdly, such a system will give real benefit only if we deliver a preemptive strike, otherwise it turns off and turns into a pile of useless metal in a short time. and we all profess the "defense" doctrine, right?
it is needed, of course, but it should be part of the complex, which, among other things, should include various ships ... again, and aircraft carriers.

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

ZGRLS Sunflower see thousands of kilometers

do not fantasize. she will not give a thousand. several hundred, which will give freedom of action to adversaries, more will not be noticed. more powerful (in range) ZGRLS work on air targets and satellites.

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

The depth of battle formations in the exercise against the Scorpen submarine was not enough for the Americans. So about the depth of "continuous hydroacoustic illumination", what words, someone exaggerated a little on emotions

not at all. cases of AUG breakthrough are quite possible no one says that they are completely invulnerable. it is possible, for example, to catch AUG during bunkering or during swell.

You can also feel for a weak spot. but for this it is necessary to know not only its exact location, but also the exact construction, in order to understand where the dead zones are (and they will, of course). and see how it changes in real time. then push the carriers of the weapons of destruction to the necessary frontiers ... in general, all this is possible, but extremely difficult.
even under Gorshkov, this was all practiced and called "a single strike taking into account the flight time." it was applied by NK, PL and MRA together, only then there was at least some guarantee of success. but, I repeat, it turned out to be a big hemorrhoid even for the USSR.

and in the first two cases, you need to find them, which is understandable, of course. but do you think in these cases they will keep their distance convenient for you? only in case of force majeure.

and in principle, they like to disguise themselves near active civilian traffic - go and see where the AV is, and where the lighter or tanker is ....

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

How long does Onyx anti-ship missiles work with special parts? 800 km

actually about 600. but this is at a comfortable height for him. and at a comfortable height whether it will fly is a big question. and at a short range much less. and even 600km (and even 800) does not guarantee anything, more the range of the decks is greater, and the AWACS will again enable them to stay at a comfortable range for them.

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Approach a distance of 50-60 km under water to the aircraft carrier and a salvo of torpedoes, how do you intercept them?

despite the breakdowns of the AUG even by Soviet diesel-electric submarines. this, incidentally, colorfully describes Shtyrov. this effectiveness is equal to the effectiveness of mines (I honestly already forgot which of the authors said this, but he also described such breakthroughs).
but let's say you came close to that range. we do not have such torpedoes, this is the limit of their range. and hit by 1 or even 3 torpedoes is unlikely to damage the AB, because the PTZ is designed (for the Yankees) for a warhead power of 600 kg (we, in Ulyanovsk, were designed for 400 kg). in addition, active systems will work. By the way, on some ABs for these purposes are 324mm TA. this is a mosquito bite.
granites yes, already more serious. that is why usually a couple of our loaves were hung directly onto the AB screws. then yes, at least somehow guarantee. but then the loaves are guaranteed death row. and to remain unnoticed for a certain time in such close proximity (read in the enemy’s PLO) is also the task.
there is one more nuance, the cost of 2 loaves is approximately equal to the cost of Kuznetsov.
and we can’t scrape so many loaves now, but that's another conversation ...

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

The main thing for the submarine is stealth and it will not be so unmasked.

here, in order not to be unmasked, it needs to ensure first of all low noise. while the nuclear submarine, in particular, depends on the work of the GTZA. a quieter move - less noise, let's go faster - the GTZA begins to rattle ... draw conclusions.

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Remember what fables were about German Tirpitz in World War II and how it all ended?

?? where does the Tirpitz, explain.
but you can recall that the cause of death can be called antediluvian already at that time, swordfish ...

[Sky strike fighter]

but let's say you came close to that range. we do not have such torpedoes, this is the limit of their range.

Well, why? We have such torpedoes.

TTX torpedoes TE2, "Physicist", "Case", Mark 48 (USA), DM2A4ER (Germany), Black Shark (Italy)

Length, m: 7,9 - 7,2 - n / a - 5,8 - 8,4 - 5,9

Weight, kg: 2400 - 1980 - n / a - 1363 - n / a - 1363

Warhead weight, kg: 300 - 300 - n / a - 300 - 260 - 250

Maximum range, km: 25 - 50 - 60 - 60 - 140 - 70

Remote control cable length, km: 25 - 25 - n / a - 30 - 100 - 60

Maximum speed, knots: 45 - 50 - 65 - 60 - 50 - 52

https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/151340/

[bugagich]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Well, why? We have such torpedoes.
TTX torpedoes TE2, "Physicist", "Case", Mark 48 (USA), DM2A4ER (Germany), Black Shark (Italy)

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Maximum range, km: 25 - 50 - 60 - 60 - 140 - 70

and I talked about our torpedoes.

Quote: bugagich

we don’t have such torpedoes, this is the limit of their range

so it turns out that the physicist will not reach at all, but the case has a limit ... what was wrong with me?

[bugagich]

By the way, I did not come across a case, but I worked with a physicist. he will not go 50 km.

[Sky strike fighter]

Are the developers lying about torpedoes? Torpedoes can carry special warheads to sink an aircraft carrier. Well, how do you think if an aircraft carrier can withstand the same long-range unmanned Poseidon but with a non-nuclear warhead, despite the fact that it will be conditionally several tons (warhead )?

[bugagich]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Do developers lie about torpedoes?

and did the developers announce such data to you? here it’s always forever for export versions, but for ours it’s lower ... and I can’t say anything to you accordingly. but I can say that the fleet’s attitude toward a physicist is far from unambiguous.

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Torpedoes can carry special warheads to sink an aircraft carrier

theoretically, of course they can. and, I remember from my youth in the then-secret classes, it was said about the tactics of using products with sbc - 2-3 carcases at a time.
but this is the lyrics. not necessarily the sbch (which, by the way, so far, we do not carry, not they, officially, or ... we play "deceive a friend"). the main thing is different.

namely, what has already been said:
1) funds are needed to guarantee detection in any area;
2) a real-time data center system is required that is guaranteed to provide data in any situation;
3) our fleet should be able to bring carriers to a given area in a certain period of time. these carriers are NK, PL, aviation (in this case, YES).
4) to ensure the secret deployment of multi-purpose (strategists do not touch yet) submarines at specified lines.
while all this is either not feasible or partially feasible.
ensure that these conditions are met clearly, and you will no longer need the NBC. and in the current situation, the NBC does not add many advantages. those. does not fundamentally change anything.

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

In your opinion, will an aircraft carrier be able to withstand the same long-range unmanned Poseidon but with a non-nuclear warhead, despite the fact that it will be conditionally a few tons (warhead)?

you seriously think that such a product is reasonable to use against AUG / AUS ... it is rather a strategic imba. Of course, I can’t say anything about him, because I don’t know. but I can just recall that mainly military and strategically important facilities on the US coast are located about 300 km deep from the coast of the mainland ...
and yet, remember that you must first discover the adversary. and then ensure the transfer of the control unit to this imba in real time ... how? rather, it is possible for stationary purposes, but not for ships.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bugagich

4) to ensure the secret deployment of multi-purpose (strategists do not touch yet) submarines at specified lines.

For a start, it would be nice to find in the Navy "free" multipurpose nuclear submarines for work on the AUG. "Free" - these are SSBNs who are not engaged in ensuring the security of the threat.
For we have very few SSNNs - EMNIP, even less than SSBNs. And then their "livestock" will only decline.

[bugagich]

I agree. running, but not enough. we have a shortage of them. all right.
and, it seems, I mentioned it casually.
This is purely theoretical. but even with insufficient quantities, these conditions are a necessity.
you know what the thing is. we are now in a much more difficult situation than the USSR. and in the USSR we spent about one and a half times more candy wrappers on the navy than the USA. and the ships were adjusted according to tonnage, I don't remember how much, but about the same amount more. but they got no efficiency. all to blame is autocracy (it all started with Khrushchev), careerism, and then the partocracy, lobbying (yes, it was also under the USSR). hence the absurd desire for an "asymmetric response". but it turned out that it is much cheaper and more efficient to develop a classic fleet ...

[bugagich]

oh, Alex ... welcome! just in a hurry, I thought the answer to the previous opponent))

[Sky strike fighter]

For a start, it would be nice to find in the Navy "free" multipurpose nuclear submarines for work on the AUG. "Free" - these are SSBNs who are not engaged in ensuring the security of the threat.
Because we have very little ICAPL - EMNIP, even less than the SSBN.

After the modernization of 10 units, the fleet's capabilities to counteract the AUG with the help of multipurpose submarines that have undergone modernization should be expanded. Perhaps due to the modernization, there are not enough multipurpose submarines.

The Navy decided to upgrade the submarines of the 949 and 971 projects

The Russian Navy will carry out a deep modernization of about 10 multipurpose nuclear submarines (NPS) of projects 971 and 949, said the commander of the Russian Navy Viktor Chirkov. “There will be everything new. All nodes, mechanisms, radio electronics, ”said the commander in chief, noting that after deep modernization the fleet will receive practically new nuclear submarines in terms of its armament and ship systems, TASS reports.

https://army-news.ru/2015/06/vmf-reshil-modernizirovat-podlodki-proektov-949-i-971/

[bugagich]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

TTX torpedoes TE2

I apologize for not immediately responding to this, not saying ...
because he doubted, and then checked. so TE-2 may exist somewhere ... but on a submarine with a ****** complex (I'm not sure if I can voice this code, that's why there are asterisks ..) but I can hint that this complex uses UBZ "moray", more it is in open sources (but I came across for sure). there they are not, from the word in general ... it's a fact. they were removed a long time ago, and cannot even be applied there simply technically. and they are sold in full for the old sold cases ...

[igorbrsv]

The air base is surrounded by air defense and that is vulnerable. And one successful hit is enough in an aircraft carrier. Plus submarines. In general, if you have a lot of money and are planning to attack, it may and will go, but ...

[Forest]

You are wrong, aircraft carriers are killing the economy well, few people compare with them in efficiency.

[kjhg]

Quote: Forest

aircraft carriers kill the economy well, few compare with them in efficiency

A statement that couldn't be more stupid. It pulls for the Shnobel Peace Prize. But China, which already has 2 aircraft carriers and 2 more under construction, has decided to self-destruct its economy? Or are the Americans so stupid that for decades they have maintained 10 aircraft carriers along with hundreds of ships and escort submarines? Do you seriously think that Great Britain, which is already building its second aircraft carrier, and France, which also has an aircraft carrier Charles De Gaulle, have contracted the virus of self-destruction of their economies? And also "light" aircraft carriers are available from Japan, Italy, India, etc.
The state of the economy does not depend at all on the presence or absence of aircraft carriers, but on the economic course and the presence of brains in the country's leadership

[Forest]

Stupid than your arguments, only your masters. Which contain such a foolish propagandist. All of these troughs in real hostilities are simply roomy coffins, and the load on the economy is constant. Therefore, Lizka ran after the Chinese leader, asking for subsidies.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

In my opinion, the days of bulky aircraft carriers pass.

But there are other opinions from professionals.
And you can get acquainted with them and explain that they are wrong:
21 May 2019 years
"Ten reasons why a US Navy aircraft carrier is one of the safest places in the war."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2019/05/21/ten-reasons-a-u-s-navy-aircraft-carrier-is-one-of-the-safest-places-to-be-in-a-war/#37f9434a2f7a

[Olenka velikaya]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

In my opinion, the days of bulky aircraft carriers pass. They become too vulnerable targets for modern weapons. With different Libya you can still fight with one, two aircraft carriers, but with a strong opponent, you don’t have a submarine fleet anymore. The US carrier fleet stands alone, due to the whole system of the carrier fleet and the powerful escort that accompanies each aircraft carrier. Although during the exercises with the participation of US aircraft carriers with the same French (NAPL Skorpen) and Swedes (NAPL Gotland), the capabilities of NPLs to drown torpedo aircraft carrier by stealthily approaching it were demonstrated.

I don’t think much of it. A Russian Aircraftman with about 60 Aircraft plus support for THIS group comes up to Venisuela or to the Persian Gulf ,,, well, in general, you understood the essence of my thoughts

[matross]

Quote: Olenka velikaya

Well, in general, you understand the essence of my thoughts

Niponili. What thoughts?

[PSih2097]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Although in the exercises involving US aircraft carriers with the same French (NAPL Scorpen) and Swedes (NAPL Gotland), the capabilities of NPLs to drown torpedoes by an aircraft carrier were shown, stealthily approaching it.

these were exercises, during the database they would not be allowed even to the launch line of anti-ship missiles.

[Grits]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

In my opinion, the days of bulky aircraft carriers pass.

In no case. an aircraft carrier for us is a forward line of anti-submarine defense and the defense of their boats for deployment

[Amateur]

Among the self-critical Austro-Hungarian warriors there was such a joke: “When God created the armies, he arranged them according to the degree of their power. The last, on the very left flank, was the Austro-Hungarian army. And then her superiors prayed: “Lord, we have to beat someone!” And then God created the Italian army. ”

Folk wisdom!

[Town Hall]

Quote: Amateur

Among the self-critical Austro-Hungarian warriors there was such a joke: “When God created the armies, he arranged them according to the degree of their power. The last, on the very left flank, was the Austro-Hungarian army. And then her superiors prayed: “Lord, we have to beat someone!” And then God created the Italian army. ”

Folk wisdom!

Or an Internet stupidity ... Do not remind how the confrontation with the Italian in the WWI ended for the Austro-Hungarian army?

[Amateur]

- Excuse me, Mr. Senior Clerk, do you think that because of the war with Italy we will cut rations? “It’s clear like God's day,” Vanek answered.

J. Hasek. "The Adventures of the Gallant Soldier Švejk"

[Town Hall]

Switch to the incredible adventures of soldier Ivan Chonkin.

[Amateur]

But does Voinovich have something about Austria-Hungary or at least Italy? Or did you refer to Chonkin just like that, "for conversation"

[Forest]

Even old harriers are better than a flying iron, but I approve of this replacement, and they need it)

[demiurg]

Interestingly, the elites know something.
Everyone wants aircraft carriers, from Russia and China to Korea and Spain.
That is, to fight somewhere in the distance. New redistribution of Africa? Or the Levant?

[sabakina]

And what for the aircraft carrier armored vehicles on board?

It is capable of transporting up to 100 units of wheeled vehicles, or 24 main battle tanks, or 50 heavy combat armored vehicles.

[Streamil]

And what for the aircraft carrier armored vehicles on board?

If it is necessary to storm the coast, the armored forces include gravity-tsaps and fly ashore, while the aircraft carrier reflects the attacks of shotguns, grenades and missile defense systems of the enemy

[Sky strike fighter]

Equipment aboard the aircraft carrier UDC as helicopter carriers for expeditionary missions.

[sabakina]

The article says "aircraft carrier" and nothing about "aircraft carrier UDC". I wonder how this "aircraft carrier" "crawls" ashore?

[UAZ 452]

It lands armored vehicles, and that, as tractors, drags it with a drag to the next sea. By the way, it is necessary to patent the Ratsukha: aerofinishers can be used as cables.

[Rus_Balt]

Even Italy has an aircraft carrier.

[demiurg]

When you have 80% of the population and production located 100-150km from the coast, the first thing you think about is the fleet. But when the main threats are land, the aircraft carriers somehow fade into the background.
Suddenly, huh? The budget is not rubber.

[Sky strike fighter]

Have you heard about Kuznetsov, who participated in the Syrian conflict, or is it, in your opinion, not an aircraft carrier cruiser?

[yehat]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Is this not your aircraft carrier cruiser?

according to Kuznetsov, a lot can be said, including the fact that he is aerial sowing.

[UAZ 452]

Well, yes - I shot down two planes.

[Rus_Balt]

Quote: demiurg

When you have 80% of the population and production located 100-150km from the coast, the first thing you think about is the fleet. But when the main threats are land, the aircraft carriers somehow fade into the background.
Suddenly, huh? The budget is not rubber.

Yes, when the territory of the country is washed by 13 seas, belonging to 3 oceans and the strategic nuclear forces do not have any cover, including elementary air defense at the base, aircraft carriers somehow fade into the background. Suddenly, huh? The budget is not rubber.

[demiurg]

About production and the population of which did not mention? We have no ground strategic missile forces?
And what is the third ocean, Atlantic or Indian?
In reality, we need Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet, and there something is being done slowly. The Black and Baltic Sea are completely covered by aviation. Or will we build the AUG for the Kara Sea and the Laptev Sea?

[Alien From]

even pizza eaters have an aircraft carrier ...... where does our king look ...........

[Antokha]

The ship is not big, but how quickly they riveted, exactly 3 years. True, then it was brought up a long time.

[dirk182]

It says a lot

[Rus_Balt]

Quote: Sky Strike fighter

Is this not your aircraft carrier cruiser?

LOMOVOY - "Cruiser Kuzya"

[Rus_Balt]

Quote: demiurg

About production and the population of which did not mention? We have no ground strategic missile forces?
And what is the third ocean, Atlantic or Indian?
In reality, we need Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet, and there something is being done slowly. The Black and Baltic Sea are completely covered by aviation. Or will we build the AUG for the Kara Sea and the Laptev Sea?

True, I forgot to mention about the natural resources of the Russian Federation, about the extraction of gold, copper, platinum, silver, uranium, titanium, diamonds, oil, coal, and much more that can be listed, which was not there in Italy. Only they still have an aircraft carrier and modern Stealth F35 with vertical take-off and landing, and we do not have an aircraft carrier and similar F35 modern aircraft for an aircraft carrier.

And at the expense of the oceans, so I will not fill your education gaps, my friend! After all, your parents told you - go to school, study, come in handy in life! And you didn’t listen to them, and now they look funny not only in life, but also on the forum.

[demiurg]

Does Italy have Strategic Missile Forces that cost a little money? Or are Italy being built in the SSBN series, which also cost a lot? Can the Air Force or Air Force in Russia and Italy are comparable?

Italy is building what it considers necessary based on budget capabilities. The Russian Federation is exactly the same, only the tasks of the Russian Federation are more global.

By the way. This year the Russian Federation has 29 launches into orbit. How many launches do Italy have?

Poking at the sale of fossils is also not an ice. The third country in the world about the production of petroleum products is a gas station. this is the USA.

[Butchcassidy]

The crew - 486 people, as well as 211 people of air personnel and 360 marines.

something tsyfiri do not fight))

[Corn]

Under this set of light aircraft carriers that are gaining popularity, it is high time to create an aircraft AWACS of vertical take-off and landing (based on at least the same Osprey), helicopters cannot cope.

[Exidna]

I don’t understand why the Italians need modern weapons? What can they decide in world politics? How they fight, we saw their mafia .. Compared to our children, there’s nothing to even talk about with them .. Balabol!

[Popov Konstantin Ivanovich]

Italians, they are certainly great. Maybe money from the States. Not the point. But the pasta always went their own way. In the distant 50s and 60s of the last century, the Italian fleet could acquire a ship (not a submarine) with Polaris ballistic missiles - 4 mines. The cruiser "Zuseppe Garibaldi", still built before the war. True, the missiles were not installed, but they could, they launched mock-ups, the real ones were not delivered, since the Caribbean crisis ended. a worthy economic base in general and a shipbuilding base in particular. Well, "Conti di Cavour" can be regarded as a prototype of a multifunctional warship, or a replica of "Kiev", such a normal elephant in a regional china shop. And if you equip something with a shock, in general there will be beauty and there are marines in the bargain. Unlike the froggy "Charles D. Goll", it is not worth repairing, but serves.