The Chinese press discusses the "smoking" destroyer "Fast" Russian Navy

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The Chinese mass media are actively discussing the “Quick” destroyer of the Russian Navy, which was entering the naval exercise. We are talking about the destroyer project 956.

The Chinese press discusses the "smoking" destroyer "Fast" Russian Navy




In 2019, 30 years have passed since the destroyer Quick was introduced. fleet (at that time - the Navy of the USSR). This did not stop Chinese reporters from calling the Fast the “modern Russian ship.” At the same time, the emphasis in the plot of the publication Mil.Huanqiu was made on black smoke, under which the warship left the base of the Pacific Fleet.

From the material:

The ship came out with thick smoke, and the Russian netizens filmed this strange scene.


Commenting on the image of the "smoking" Russian destroyer, Chinese users were distinguished by a variety of judgments.

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Some write that for the "modern" Russian warship "it looks unbecoming such a level of smoke when making a sea voyage."

Others note that high opacity is also characteristic of some US Navy ships.

One of the comments:

The warships that burn heavy oil based fuel are all such when starting engines, and American ships are no exception. After the engine went into a steady state, the smoke disappeared.

At the same time, none of the Chinese users in the comments noted that it is difficult to call the ship “modern”.

For your information: At the end of 1998, the ship was withdrawn to the reserve of the 1 category due to the poor state of the three main boilers. Subsequently, the ship went through repair. To date, the course of the destroyer is provided by two GTSA-674 boiler and turbine units with a capacity of 100 thousand hp. The total displacement of the 956 ship is about 7,9 thousand tons, cruising range to 4,5 thousand nautical miles.

Earlier in the foreign press actively discussed the "smoking" aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" during his trip to the shores of Syria.
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    1. -12
      20 July 2019 12: 37
      Boilers, again boilers ... Forgotten how to do? Or exploit?
      1. -4
        20 July 2019 12: 56
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Boilers, again boilers ... Forgotten how to do? Or exploit?

        It’s probably like a ship for boilers, they’ve already smoked 30 years ago and 30 years ago
        1. +23
          20 July 2019 13: 22
          During combustion, if the required temperature and pressure are not provided, fuel oil is very smoke.
          Heating of fuel oil is provided by boilers. At Kuznetsovo, BOILERS were initially installed on the boilers of poor quality, and when they reached their full (specified) power, the boilers simply broke.
          Well, and "weak heart" - boilers made according to an incomprehensible standard.
          1. -12
            20 July 2019 14: 14
            Why did you install poor quality pipes? No high pipes found in Russia? Or we have these destroyers, as the cat Matroskin said: "Well, just heaps!" so they mold whatever is horrible! Boilers "according to an incomprehensible standard"! Do we have "understandable"? Do we have ship manufacturing? How many NEW (not remanufactured soviet) ships were launched? How many units has our fleet INCREASED? In my opinion, we will soon lose our fleet altogether and will be kayaking and canoeing the Poseidons to the American shores! :)
            1. +41
              20 July 2019 14: 30
              The latest Japanese destroyer / aircraft carrier also knows how to smoke.
              1. +2
                20 July 2019 17: 18
                For some reason, even abroad there was no version about a coal firebox ...
                It is strange.
                what
                1. +1
                  20 July 2019 20: 24
                  The destroyer "Fast" breeds pairs. Ozone killer, good old climate weapon fellow

              2. +2
                21 July 2019 22: 16
                Yes, it’s not a matter of smoke, let them use anything to launch ...
                The fact is that you need to build new ships, to be honest .....
            2. +5
              21 July 2019 09: 31
              How to burn black oil without smoke? Can you? We are waiting for clues!
              1. +7
                21 July 2019 12: 08
                Quote: winnie
                How to burn black oil without smoke? Can you? We are waiting for clues!

                Do not wait. These clowns just to be clever. At the same time, without realizing that heavy fuel oil-based fuel oil will always smoke until the boilers warm up.
                1. -4
                  21 July 2019 19: 30
                  These clowns just to be clever.


                  Navy clowns can smoke without boilers

              2. +1
                21 July 2019 19: 33
                It is possible to burn without smoke. It is necessary to maintain the correct air-fuel ratio. Thermal power plants using fuel oil do not smoke much. For gas, the excess air factor is 1,15-1.20. For fuel oil, I will not say for sure. But it was said above correctly - fuel oil must be prepared ...
            3. -1
              22 July 2019 00: 49
              You forgot to write for yachts and billionaires - to take and share!
          2. -1
            21 July 2019 20: 10
            low quality pipes installed on boilers

            Some kind of opaque information. What is wrong with them? Welds? Something with steel?
          3. -1
            22 July 2019 07: 26
            The cook got pregnant on board. Here is the crew and chose dad.
            As they choose, the black smoke will stop flowing. laughing
            "Ural dumplings".
        2. -2
          20 July 2019 18: 01
          maybe you went to afterburner?
          nothing critical
          we are not in greenpeace
          I have two kegs on a diesel engine, threw the soot trap out, a little bit the rings sagged, well, it smokes, but it pulls as it should.
          Well this is not a nuclear reactor with radiation
          1. +17
            20 July 2019 18: 45
            So here we are everywhere, the soot trap is thrown out, smokes and doesn’t care, and the other time the garbage is thrown to the side of the road, the car * was washed *, the acid was poured from the battery into the bushes - that's all, nature will not be left at all, but * kicks * are pulled how to wassat
      2. +22
        20 July 2019 13: 01
        I’ll tell you a secret, even modern diesel engines produce a black cloud of smoke at startup. And on IFO 380, which is fuel oil, the engine smokes black snow, clubbing on the deck.
        1. +1
          21 July 2019 20: 08
          As it is invisible smoke. Every morning I look - there is no smoke. Maybe mechanics have qualifications? This is me, too, a secret to you.

          1. +2
            21 July 2019 23: 23
            As it is invisible smoke.

            Have you heard about diesel electric ships?
            1. 0
              22 July 2019 06: 21
              Actually, yes - I have been repairing them for almost forty years. As in other ships and vessels with other propulsion systems. And there is no such low qualification as naval mechanics anywhere. As well as the state of the art.
              1. 0
                23 July 2019 10: 33
                And there is no such low qualification as naval mechanics anywhere

                Do you mean this? laughing
                1. -2
                  23 July 2019 12: 08
                  I'm civilian, thank goodness. And I try to see the warlords as rarely as possible. But rudeness, my dear, does not paint you.
          2. +1
            22 July 2019 00: 52
            Catch the difference - a boiler turbine and a diesel electric ship.
      3. -26
        20 July 2019 13: 43
        In the boilers of the destroyer, the souls of the dead burn, and therefore the smoke
        1. +1
          21 July 2019 15: 52
          Moreover, they are specially laid there that boilers should be heated faster! am
      4. +3
        20 July 2019 14: 04
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Boilers, again boilers ... Forgotten how to do? Or exploit?
        Of course, the systems are worn out, but do not forget that our fleet uses ship fuel oil as fuel, and the Chinese use diesel fuel. This also affects the appearance of such a "smoke cap" here.
        1. +14
          20 July 2019 14: 34
          Of course, the systems are worn out, but do not forget that our fleet uses ship fuel oil as fuel, and the Chinese use diesel fuel.

          The Chinese have 4 such destroyers in the ranks. 2x956E and 2x956EM. Therefore, they called this ship modern. And they do not smoke our destroyers. The Chinese have specially developed this topic. Therefore, they have something to compare. hi
          1. +3
            20 July 2019 17: 59
            The lead ship of the series was called "Sovremenny", and the NATO designation of the project was "Sovremenniy-class destroyer". That's all.
            News translators set foot.
        2. -3
          20 July 2019 14: 57
          Diesel fuel for diesels, fuel oil for boilers. So, the Chinese are ahead of the Russian Federation in marine diesel construction.
          1. +19
            20 July 2019 15: 00
            Quote: Flatter
            Diesel fuel for diesels, fuel oil for boilers. So, the Chinese are ahead of the Russian Federation in marine diesel construction.

            Well, if we are with them, and not they are buying marine diesel engines from us, then apparently - YES
          2. +3
            20 July 2019 17: 41
            What? Fuel oil for boilers? You probably have not heard about heavy fuel diesel.
          3. +1
            20 July 2019 19: 52
            Both our and Chinese ships have boilers.
      5. +1
        20 July 2019 15: 17
        The Chinese mass media are actively discussing the “Quick” destroyer of the Russian Navy, which was entering the naval exercise. We are talking about the destroyer project 956.


        This is the nanotechnological "Black Smoke" (C) from the TV series "Lost", which transglucates those observing it through binoculars or completely deprives them of their mind.

        feel

        Old ships, yes ... no particulate filters.
      6. DPN
        +1
        21 July 2019 00: 33
        THEY all remained in Ukraine from the time of the USSR.
      7. The comment was deleted.
    2. +38
      20 July 2019 12: 41
      USS Freedom 2008 Built, San Diego
      1. 0
        20 July 2019 12: 57
        I only saw this photo when they smoke, are there any more photos?
        1. +17
          20 July 2019 13: 32
          Unidentified whale

          Japanese Shimokita

          Queen Elizabeth

        2. -3
          20 July 2019 13: 43
          strange, 5 cons for a question, I can not understand something?
          1. -10
            20 July 2019 14: 17
            The truth is always minus! :) Well, we have to be the "best", so that "wow, everyone!", Even if there is nothing, but everything is under the knife and nothing is built in return! And for the truth - a minus! :)
            1. +10
              20 July 2019 14: 39
              There are two of you here while raging "for the truth."
              The rest seem to understand that everyone has it without exception.
              1. +1
                20 July 2019 18: 28
                you can’t even ask on the site, well, okay
          2. +10
            20 July 2019 14: 26
            Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
            strange, 5 cons for a question, I can not understand something?

            Listen insulting, yes, did nothing, just stopped by. The hooligan is just ... feel
            1. +2
              21 July 2019 10: 21
              Basil, probably some people took your question not as curiosity, but as a claim: they say that they post the same photo ... Therefore, they threw a minus. This happens ... Well, User1212 and Yaroslav provided the answer. hi
          3. 0
            21 July 2019 13: 49
            ...may be..
          4. +1
            21 July 2019 20: 27
            Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
            strange, 5 cons for a question, I can not understand something?

            Of course you don’t understand. Do not understand the objective reason for the smoke. Not depending on whether "we" or "they".
        3. Fff
          +6
          20 July 2019 14: 31
          And in principle, they should not smoke, they do not have fuel oil and not even diesel fuel. GE LM2500 aircraft turbine and clean kerosene. Insanely expensive, but at full capacity, the destroyer can issue 40 knots.
          1. +7
            20 July 2019 18: 03
            40 knots on fuel oil were issued another 100 years ago.
        4. +1
          20 July 2019 18: 26
          Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
          I only saw this photo when they smoke, are there any more photos?

          USS Freedom LCS-1, Hawaii - March 2013.
      2. +4
        20 July 2019 13: 30
        .
        Funny. :-)
        Topic - The Chinese press is discussing the "smoking" destroyer "Fast" of the Russian Navy

        If you don’t have it fastened, sorry, a fly, you will begin to fasten it, or poke a finger at others, but he also has :-) :-) :-)
        1. +5
          20 July 2019 13: 55
          Quote: VVAU
          Topic - The Chinese press is discussing the "smoking" destroyer "Fast" of the Russian Navy

          Really strange. The Chinese have the same destroyers one to one. Let them look at them and admire the black smoke. Or have they all written their 956th?
        2. +12
          20 July 2019 14: 27
          Quote: VVAU
          If you don’t have it fastened, sorry, a fly, you will begin to fasten it, or poke a finger at others, but he also has :-) :-) :-)

          Is she unbuttoned? For boilers, it seems, this is a normal phenomenon when starting up a smoke. If he constantly smoked another thing.
        3. 0
          21 July 2019 13: 26
          Quote: VVAU
          If you don’t have it fastened, sorry, a fly, you will begin to fasten it, or poke a finger at others, but he also has :-) :-) :-)

          And this "fly" / smoke somehow affects the combat capability of the destroyer? bully
      3. -10
        20 July 2019 15: 18
        Why are you posting this photoshop here? Then what the fools have gathered?
    3. +4
      20 July 2019 12: 43
      do not understand a damn ... it's a smoke screen! Yes
      1. +3
        20 July 2019 12: 48
        Laser weapon protection
      2. +3
        20 July 2019 15: 25
        Nanotechnology! Particles of carbon nanoscale.
        1. +2
          20 July 2019 17: 14
          Everything is easier .... under pairs! To meet the enemy !!!
    4. +19
      20 July 2019 12: 49
      Again this topic is lousy, it can be seen that the ship at anchor launches boilers, then there will be no smoke. At the Yankees, when starting up, they also spoil.

    5. -23
      20 July 2019 12: 52
      Fortunately, this trash with 8 mosquitoes will be written off soon
      1. +6
        20 July 2019 12: 57
        Quote: Artemiy_2
        Fortunately, this trash with 8 mosquitoes will be written off soon

        Replacing what they write off? And what is the benefit? Maybe modernization is better?
        1. -4
          20 July 2019 13: 03
          And what can be modernized there? Replace mosquitoes with uranium? wassat Is that electronic equipment upgrade
          A replacement is already in the plans. 22350 and 22800 for Pacific Fleet are under construction and BOD 1155 is being modernized.
          1. +7
            20 July 2019 13: 51
            Well, you can cut the project from the Chinese + they can also order boilers, with an automated water treatment system, which seriously increases the survivability of the power plant and almost eliminates the handshake factor of the L / S 5.


            For the sake of three (and for good 2) ships, this makes no sense. Finish and throw. Moreover, an attempt to pump out 956 to the Pacific Fleet - it lasted almost 20 years and did not lead to anything other than the development of money.
          2. +6
            20 July 2019 14: 42
            22350 and 22800 for Pacific Fleet under construction
            Do you think that the "Karakurt", a ship of the near sea zone, with almost no air defense and no anti-aircraft missile defense at all, can replace a destroyer?
            The 22350 is a great project, but to replace the destroyer we need a new destroyer.
            1. -2
              20 July 2019 14: 44
              A 956th further BMZ and do not go. laughing
              And if I agree on PLO, then Shell-M is comparable to a hurricane
            2. +3
              20 July 2019 15: 06
              Frigate 22350 in all respects except displacement is stronger than the destroyer Sarych. With the same autonomy, he has better all types of weapons and systems. He has less displacement and crew because of more automation. In the future, 22350 of the first and second versions and M-ks will be replaced not only by 956 Sarych destroyers, but also by 1155 BPC and along with ships of the second rank - 11540 and the Black Sea trio of old men. request
              Destroyers The leader, who are actually missile cruisers, only called destroyers, will change Atlantes and Orlanes in the future.
              Of course, this will be the basis of our ocean fleets - frigates of 22350 different types and a couple of three leaders. But if the leaders are a project that they are unlikely to start laying before the end of the modernization of the Northern Shipyard, then 22350 are already under construction. Good for 4 fleets, you need 15 pieces in the near future and in the region of 30 pieces in the long term in order to change all the old ships of projects 11540, 956, 1155,1135 of the first issues and 61 (sharp). For 20 years to build 30 frigates 22350 is quite real. While in formation 1, another 1 is completing the tests, 2 are waiting for the power plant and 2 are only laid down, and they will be under construction for a long time, since there are almost no works on them. request
              1. +2
                20 July 2019 15: 56
                22350 is good, but the range and autonomy for the Pacific Ocean are insignificant, it is the destroyer that is needed. Perhaps the 22350M will be a ship capable of replacing destroyers, but so far this is only a project.
                I agree that the Leader is more like a cruiser.
                in order to change all the old ships of projects 11540, 956, 1155,1135 of the first issues and 61 (sharp)
                For some reason, we forget that from the end of the 80s timelessness began for our fleet, we missed a whole generation and we need to do not evolutionary replacement of old projects, but ships with breakthrough technologies to reach the modern world level.
                22350 is just such a ship, but it’s a frigate. The fact that he is superior to the destroyer of project 956 does not mean anything if you look at Arly Burke or Daring.
                22350 can be considered as a replacement for 1135, 11540 and 61 but not as a replacement for 956 or 1155.
                We need a new destroyer.
                1. +2
                  20 July 2019 16: 32
                  The range of 22350 and autonomy is exactly the same as that of 956. The fact that he is called a frigate is a formality related to the fact that his displacement is 1000-1500 tons less and in the first class he passed this parameter along the lower boundary. In all other respects, it surpasses Sarych or 1155. By the way, the first 1155 kpc that underwent modernization by Marshal Shaposhnikov is also now classified as a frigate, although it has only become stronger. The rest of the 1155 will most likely receive the same class. The classification is rather arbitrary. Those same destroyers of Iran or Japan are much weaker and comparable with our 11356. request
                  In any case, 22350 will be the basis of our ocean fleet for quite some time. According to recent interviews, the first version with 16 UVP will no longer be laid, but there will be bookmarks only of the second series with 24 UVP, as frigates 5 and 6. By the readiness of the project 22350m with 48 UVP, even in terms of displacement, they will begin to surpass Sarych and will be compared with the first series of berks. And by the way, do not forget that the anti-ship armament of the Berks is much weaker. Tomahawks work on the ground, and 8 harpoons even against 16 zircons or onyxes of the frigate of the first series are not comparable. hi
                  1. +2
                    20 July 2019 17: 14
                    22350 range and autonomy exactly the same as 956

                    I repeat once again - we have missed a whole generation, we do not need to compare the modern frigate with an obsolete destroyer.
                    For the Atlantic, 4500 miles (at 14 knots) may be enough, but in the Pacific it’s not a range at all, let me remind you that the outdated and retired Perry (US frigate) had a range of 4500 miles (at 20 knots), 5000 (at 18 knots) And the destroyer Burke is 6000 nautical miles at 18 knots.
                    According to recent interviews, the first version with 16 UVP will no longer be laid, but there will be bookmarks only of the second series with 24 UVP, as frigates 5 and 6.
                    It is important here, in my opinion, that after the development of the 22350M, the construction of the usual 22350 is not curtailed, in my opinion these are ships of different classes and you correctly noted that the 22350M can already be called a destroyer. And we need both destroyers and frigates. They have different purposes. The frigate is the DMZ ship, and the destroyer must already operate in the ocean, for which the cruising range needs an appropriate one.
                    By the way, the first BPC 1155 that underwent modernization by Marshal Shaposhnikov is also now classified as a frigate, although it has only become stronger.
                    It is obsolete, in our fleet such a reclassification is traditional.
                    1. 0
                      20 July 2019 18: 23
                      You Oliver and Sarych are still not a comparison. They are different in purpose. Although Oliver is called a URO frigate, in fact it is a patrol-escort ship. Its armament is weaker than that of RTOs, only better air defense, but with an ancient single-channel radar. And all his URO is 4 pitiful "harpoons".
                      As for its high autonomy, it is provided, among other things, by a single-shaft air defense system. For a warship, such a scheme is unacceptable, because damage to a single propeller immediately takes the ship out of battle and turns it into a target.
                      1. +1
                        20 July 2019 19: 54
                        You are not comparing Oliver with Sarych. They are different in purpose.
                        Yes, I do not compare, I only think that the range of our ships is insufficient for the Pacific Ocean.
                2. +1
                  20 July 2019 17: 14
                  we don’t need new destroyers, we’ll manage with frigates and 1155, and there aren’t too many of them, We need submarines, planes and minesweepers urgently and a lot
      2. +3
        20 July 2019 13: 09
        Quote: Artemiy_2
        this stuff

        rubbish in your country house, the materiel is lower than the waterline at your place, however, not only materiel
        1. -3
          20 July 2019 13: 12
          Probably just so these ships do not go further than the coastal zone
        2. +6
          20 July 2019 13: 44
          Well, he’s right in the fact that the last years are 956. 3 of 17 left.

          Fastest running, but I feel that the story with Shepherd will be repeated, he also ran and ran, and now 5 year like this ... sad


          The admiral is the most beautiful and freshly painted, but he is far from being released, the machine is sick there sad .


          Persistent parade destroyer that the sea sees only if West201X. Restless - became a deceased, well, at least a museum.


          The rest ended up worse.

          1. +3
            20 July 2019 14: 43
            According to Chabanenko, at least there are terms. And not the fifth year so. Mosquitoes have only recently been dismantled. They are waiting for the GEM from Samara and the modernization project. And 5 is the past
          2. +1
            20 July 2019 14: 53
            Yeah ... I had a chance to participate in the last days of the Disgusting 91-94. The communists of St. Petersburg are to blame for everything, they pulled their boiler turbine plant, they didn’t want to do anything else. As BOD 61 projects departed well, TFR 1135 of the project did not crawl out of the seas. And the 956 is a great ship, even by modern standards. Most importantly, it was created for certain tasks, under RTOs, the best. Dear !, Dear! As Freken Bock said. Or maybe first love? What a case! Better housing was only in 68 bis project!
          3. 0
            20 July 2019 23: 53
            Thanks to a friend (Khe-khe)
    6. +10
      20 July 2019 13: 00

      Tak japonets ...
      1. +3
        20 July 2019 13: 12
        Quote: Yeo-mayo bee
        Tak japonets ...

        Here it is! The article was written by an ecologist wassat
    7. 0
      20 July 2019 13: 04
      Yes, in the stoker firewood is raw wassat That’s why smoke! negative
    8. +2
      20 July 2019 13: 18
      They have the same boilers for the cheapest fuel oil with Kuznetsov, so he smokes like an aircraft carrier, usually it happens right after the kotpa starts up, and when the boiler warms up well it stops smoking very much and interestingly almost all the ships of this project are written off because of Kuznetsov, because in the 90s they did not make boilers and spare parts for them, and these ships were decommissioned and they became donors for our only aircraft carrier. smile
      1. +7
        20 July 2019 13: 34
        Question. At Kuzi, the boiler was warming up to the English Channel, or further?
        1. -2
          20 July 2019 13: 46
          These boilers are very structurally unsuccessful and do not heat up well and do not give out full power, and therefore smoke at first, and then much less, watch the video after a couple of days there was already much less smoke. smile
    9. -24
      20 July 2019 13: 22
      The quality of conscripts and contract soldiers is low, they will soon need to be handed out from the three-line warehouses because for them the AEK is difficult to operate, and the ship is on a campaign ...
      1. +5
        20 July 2019 14: 37
        Are you talking about your yellow-blue fascist country?
        So we know do not fuss.
      2. -2
        20 July 2019 22: 51
        404 are you in mourning? Or have you been denied a gay parade?
    10. +6
      20 July 2019 13: 33
      tradition of the navy, letting off a hat when going on a campaign, bch 5
    11. +1
      20 July 2019 13: 33
      I know how to make a boiler using liquid or gas fuels many times less. And he will never smoke!
      1. -1
        21 July 2019 11: 03
        Come with your Know How to the government or our Army ... smile
    12. +3
      20 July 2019 13: 47
      Lovers of ecology have already got it ... Even if Satan is sent to them on solar batteries, the survivors will be unhappy.
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    14. +10
      20 July 2019 13: 48
      Two Chukchi in the boiler room ..
      - What kind of firewood do you drown?
      - Direct, however.
      - Swamp curves, now we will turn.
    15. -5
      20 July 2019 13: 52
      Like it or not, it looks ugly. Boilers in the 21st century look a little archaic.
      1. -1
        21 July 2019 09: 58
        Do you offer to write off some of the last Russian destroyers because of the smoke? smile
    16. +1
      20 July 2019 14: 00
      Extra disguise, if
    17. +2
      20 July 2019 14: 07
      In the tsarist fleet, it was chic to have heavy smoke. Smoke pillars were visible far beyond the horizon. I definitely do not say anything, I read about this a very long time ago, I can be misleading. May those who know correct me, ready to apologize.
      1. +2
        20 July 2019 18: 52
        On the contrary: it was considered chic to walk without smoke. Therefore, they bought smokeless coals abroad, in particular, English cardiff. Smoke unmasked the ships, the cap was visible from above the horizon. Now smokeless is irrelevant.
      2. +1
        21 July 2019 00: 54
        At all times, smoke above a ship was considered a shame on the mechanic.
    18. -3
      20 July 2019 14: 30
      The lag in engine building is almost constant in all directions, there have never been any developments, they always caught up, adapted, and again caught up. Especially in aircraft manufacturing. They stole the Ukraine, and with them the power plants and again no one is ready for anything ..
    19. +1
      20 July 2019 14: 36
      Quote: Nikolai Lesnoy
      Why did they install low quality pipes? In Russia, there were no high pipes?

      Forgot to read?
      It was not built in Russia.
      IN USSR.
    20. +1
      20 July 2019 14: 38
      There is a lot of attention to smoke. But can ecologists ban such ships from entering the sea? There is no smoke without fire.
    21. +3
      20 July 2019 14: 39
      If you look closely, the ship is anchored, and, most likely, this is the initial stage of starting the engine! As soon as the engine warms up to operating temperature, the smoke will disappear.
    22. 0
      20 July 2019 14: 49
      These are the ubiquitous Chinese. How do they manage to ride.
      A year ago, the same Chinese on their resource Sina Weibo (Chinese social network, a hybrid of Twitter and Facebook) published a photo of the dismantling of Kuznetsov boilers on Zvezdochka.

      The photo shows that the KVG-4 boiler is clearly not in good condition, but I wonder how the Chinese got there.
      1. -1
        20 July 2019 15: 23
        The Chinese made and dismantled.
      2. -3
        20 July 2019 17: 07
        Yes, they, these Chinese, judging by the minuses. is on the site.
      3. 0
        26 July 2019 09: 06
        They improved the frame with the weather online camera, which is located in the area of ​​the neighboring atomic fleet base.
    23. for
      +3
      20 July 2019 14: 53
      Obviously, it should work on 2 types of fuel heating oil and as a backup fuel oil. Use unprepared fuel oil and nozzle piss. My opinion.
      1. +4
        20 July 2019 20: 18
        Typical cases of black smoke from the chimney during boiler operation:
        - lack of air supplied for combustion, which leads to incomplete combustion of fuel;
        - insufficient heating of the fuel, poor spraying quality and poor mixing of fuel with air, touching the lining torches or the heating surface due to a malfunction of the nozzle device.
        1. 0
          20 July 2019 23: 47
          Interestingly, the individual who put a minus that she wanted to object in essence?
    24. +6
      20 July 2019 15: 06
      My friend served in the Soviet Navy on some big missile cruiser (forgive the experts on warships). So he told me that their Cap was always surprised that as soon as their ship approached, the sailors' girlfriends were already standing on the embankment and looking out for their sailors. HOW DO THEY KNOW THAT THIS SHIP IS BOARDING AT THIS TIME ?! !! The secret was simple - when the city, in my opinion, Arkhangelsk appeared on the horizon, the motorists twice fed a rich mixture into the boilers and twice a thick smoke poured from the chimney. The officers of the ship did not notice this, and one of the friends of the sailors noticed two haze on the horizon and word of mouth immediately echoed the news of arrival.
    25. +3
      20 July 2019 15: 12
      The stove also smokes until it is heated. request
    26. +5
      20 July 2019 15: 19

      Oh no no no ! These Russians will do something all the time

      this is the American "littoral" battleship LCS 1 Freedom in San Diego, 19.02.2016 (c) ecoronado.com.
      Her, well, Americans can laughing lol
    27. -2
      20 July 2019 15: 43
      Well, experts ... It's just that on this ship they are testing the latest innovative nanotechnological installation for setting smoke screens on hypersound with laser correction ... because of secrecy, they were specially put on the old ship to think that old boilers smoke like that. The installation has no analogues in the world. By 2050, all surface ships will have such systems.
    28. 0
      20 July 2019 15: 57
      This is a smoke screen by the Chinese. wink
    29. +1
      20 July 2019 17: 06
      Yes, heavy oil products must be smoked, the Chinese are not aware that this is not a ship but a ship? I am glad that he is generally able to go to sea at this age, respect to mechanics.
      1. 0
        20 July 2019 21: 24
        The Chinese also have project 956 destroyers. I wonder if they smoke?
      2. 0
        21 July 2019 00: 58
        Should not, if the equipment is working properly.
        1. 0
          21 July 2019 09: 57
          The answer to the phantom pilot should be, because, according to GOST http://www.nge.ru/g_10585-2013.htm, the ash content of fuel oil is 20 times higher than your tc-1 http://www.market-oil.ru /ts-1.shtml, and for sulfur S 5 times, for mechanical impurities in general a hundred times .... so I simply must smoke, especially during start-up, when a low temperature inevitably causes a chemical burnout
          1. 0
            21 July 2019 16: 21
            Black smoke is not ash, it is carbon. Well, that is, unburned fuel. You can believe that I saw oil-fired boilers in my practice. And when they are normally adjusted, serviceable, and on normal fuel - they do not smoke. As for starting modes - most modern fuel oil boilers are fueled by light fuel.
            And gas turbines on ships do not run on kerosene, but on solar oil or "gas turbine", this is a slightly heavier mixture of fractions than solar oil.
            1. 0
              21 July 2019 20: 30
              I meant aviation kerosene, and by the way, airplanes also noticeably smoke sometimes
    30. +3
      20 July 2019 17: 31
      It's okay, just a peculiarity of the propulsion system. But the best "sofa engineers" know better.
    31. +4
      20 July 2019 20: 07
      Anchored, warms up the boilers. And they created a whole problem from scratch.
    32. +5
      20 July 2019 21: 32
      When starting the boilers and going to work, let’s say so, the operating mode is normal.
    33. +4
      20 July 2019 21: 33
      Discussion of black smoke from pipes, both ships and ships operating on heavy fuel, is the destiny of those who are completely off topic and who really have nothing to do. wink
    34. +1
      20 July 2019 23: 38
      They ruined themselves: https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201705010904-1bv8.htm

      Turbocharged boilers require professional preparation of boiler water, which is not always the case with our compatriots. Due to improper operation, the technical condition of the boilers often turned out to be unsatisfactory: the tubes were burning, the valves were clogged, and the ships were out of order. It was necessary to carry out complex repairs, including replacing pipes on boilers.

      According to shipbuilders, the case is in non-compliance with the instructions of the developer and manufacturer. Unfortunately, neglect of technology was common in the difficult 1990s. For this reason, most of the ships of Project 956 lost their combat readiness. Due to the lack of funds for repairs, six were written off in the 1990s and three in 2011-2012. “They were ruined by inept personnel, primarily conscripted sailors,” employees of the Special Design Bureau regret.
    35. 0
      21 July 2019 00: 59
      This is not smoke, this is a smoke screen!
    36. for
      0
      21 July 2019 05: 41
      Quote: Undecim
      Interestingly, the individual who put a minus that she wanted to object in essence?

      Dark orange or even red flame in the firebox with sparks and the exit of the smoke exhaust pipe of dark smoke indicate a lack of air supplied for combustion, and the incompleteness of combustion of fuel. Black smoke does not always mean a lack of air, it can also occur with a significant excess of air, if there is insufficient heating of the fuel, poor spraying quality and poor mixing of fuel with air, touching the lining torches or the heating surface. (p. 61)
      ( ВИКИ http://finux.ru/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE_%D0%B4%D1%8B%D0%BC_%D0%B8%D0%B7_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85_%D1%82%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B1
      Maybe for this.
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    38. 0
      21 July 2019 11: 33
      Show bald !!!
    39. +1
      21 July 2019 13: 44
      And the same diesel at startup? Only three thousand horsepower. Such puffs of smoke from a locomotive!
    40. +2
      21 July 2019 22: 44
      Dear colleagues!
      In the network there is a book, Gavrilov SV, "Ship power plants. Development history". I strongly advise you to download. I guarantee you won't come off. Captures cleaner than any duductive.
      Now, by the smoke of high-pressure boilers KVG-3 on destroyers and KVG-4 on Kuznetsova.
      In short, I advise you to read in detail in the aforementioned book, the boiler works as follows. The combustion products, leaving the boiler, turn the turbine, the turbine turns the compressor, the compressor pumps the air to the combustion. At low power, when gas energy is not enough, the compressor spins the steam turbine. If I don’t confuse anything, the electric motor is also involved in kindling. When the gas turbine spins up, the steam shuts off. At this moment, if one turns off a little earlier, and the other turns on a little later and intense smoke occurs.
      The automation there is old, it seems to work on bellows or what is used there as a sensor for pressure of steam and air.
      In normal running conditions, it does not smoke because the energy of the fart gases is enough to rotate the compressor.
      This is the trouble of all military boilers. Fee for small dimensions. For comparison, KVG-3 weighs 37, if not confusing, tons. Close to it in terms of parameters KVG80 / 80, civilian, 300 tons.
      Dear Winnie76 correctly wrote about the exceptional value of the quality of water treatment for modern boilers. I’m only afraid that this has nothing to do with smoke. With poor water treatment, a boiler of this type, with its radiation heating of evaporation surfaces in the form of furnace screens, will simply be covered. Well, if without a big badabum.
      Yes, and his economizers, standing almost in the furnace itself, will not like bad water.
      Diesel engines are now, as a rule, dual-fuel and they consume a solarium in the port, just not to smoke.
      1. +1
        22 July 2019 08: 52
        good Worthy! Professionally!
        For a two-day dispute, I understood two points:
        1. When a Russian ship smokes, you don’t understand, "coastal fuel oils". If it smokes, it means it is warming up ...
        2. When a foreign ship smokes - this is "you don't notice this, but they have the same thing" ...
        There is a little obscurity - this black smoke does not prevent our valiant fleet from "fucking" various "non-smoky" adversaries and gives some advantages in performance characteristics? wassat
      2. boo
        +1
        22 July 2019 12: 07
        In normal driving conditions does not smoke? Surround yourself.
        “Jones, why are there so many crows at sea?”
        “These are seagulls, sir.”
        “Yes, but they are black!”
        “Kuznetsov, sir!”
    41. boo
      0
      22 July 2019 11: 45
      We are not stokers, we are not carpenters, but there are no bitter plants like no, but we are high-altitude installers and a hello to you from above!

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