What kind of tanks opponents met the Second World War

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In previous materials, types and characteristics were considered. tanksdeveloped by Germany, the USSR, England, France and the United States in the interwar period. France and England, based on the experience of using tanks in the First World War, adhered to the defensive concept, which provides for the suspension of the enemy offensive, its exhaustion and translation of the war into positional form. In tanks they saw a means of supporting infantry and cavalry, and the main emphasis was on the development of light and super heavy tanks. In addition, medium tanks were developed that were capable of conducting independent combat operations and resisting enemy tanks and anti-tank artillery. In this regard, their armies did not have independent armored forces, tanks were dispersed over infantry and cavalry formations.





Germany, which adopted the "blitzkrieg doctrine", based on achieving lightning victory by attacking a preemptive enemy by using large tank units to break through the front and penetrate deep into enemy territory. In Germany, the focus was on the development of mobile light and medium tanks. German strategists were the first to see the main purpose of tanks in a future war, and they used it wisely.

In the Soviet Union, they adhered to the French-English concept of deterring the enemy, defeating and persecuting on its territory and focused on the development of light infantry and cavalry support tanks. There were no independent armored forces in the Red Army either, in the form of companies, battalions and regiments they were part of the staff or attached to reinforce rifle divisions and brigades.

Against the background of the successes of the German army with the rapid attack and defeat of Poland, France and England revised their concept and in 1940 began to create tank divisions. In the Soviet Union against this background also began to create mechanized corps and tank divisions to perform independent tasks, but by the beginning of the war reorganization has not been completed.

In the interwar period, models of tanks of various classes, from the lightest tank shoes to super-heavy "monsters", were created. By the end of the 30-x in tank building, the classical layout of tanks began to prevail with the search for the optimal ratio of firepower, security and mobility of tanks. Experience in the development and operation of tanks showed that the most effective were medium and close to them tanks. By the beginning of the war, future adversaries came up with different numbers and quality of tanks, they had fundamentally different concepts for their use.

The most effective was the German doctrine, with the help of which Germany promptly smashed its opponents with tank wedges and forced them to surrender. At the same time, in terms of the quantity and quality of tanks, Germany often did not exceed its opponents, and even with such means achieved impressive results. By its actions, Germany argued that in addition to good tanks, we must also be able to competently use them.

What were the tanks of opponents on the eve of the war? There was no clear gradation of tanks in today's understanding, there were light, infantry, cavalry, cruiser and heavy tanks. For ease of qualitative and quantitative analysis, all the main tanks of the time in this review are summarized in three comparative tables - light, medium and heavy, with their tactical and technical characteristics and the number of samples produced before the war.

Light tanks


This class is the largest in terms of type and number of tanks, light floating tanks should also be included here, which were mass-produced only in the USSR and did not have any serious use for their intended purpose, since almost all were destroyed in the first months of the war. In other countries, manufacturers of armored vehicles amphibious tanks were not mass-produced.



1) The BT series of tanks was produced in all 8620, including 620 BT-2, 1884 BT-5. 5328 BT-7 and 788 BT-7.

Light tanks


Also in all countries in this period the wedges were mass-produced, but due to their insignificant influence on the firepower of tank and other units, they are not taken into account in this review.

Consideration of the main characteristics of firepower, security and mobility of light tanks shows that they did not differ fundamentally and were characterized by a crew of mostly human 2-3, tank weights (5-14) tons, light cannon and machine guns, anti-bullet reservation and relatively good mobility .



Almost all of them were riveted from armor plates, had a reservation (13-16) mm, only French tanks H35, R35, FCM36 and the Soviet T-50 tank with counter-sparring booking 34-45 mm stood out. It should also be noted that the design of the hull and turret FCM36 and T-50 mainly used the installation of armor plates at rational inclination angles.

20-45-mm cannons were installed as cannon armament on light tanks. The French tanks have a short-barreled 37-mm cannon, in German Pz.II long-barreled 20-mm cannon and on Soviet tanks a long-barreled 45-mm cannon.
What kind of tanks opponents met the Second World War


In the French FCM36 and the Soviet T-50, a diesel engine was used as a power plant, on the rest of the gasoline tanks, the diesel engine was first used on a French tank. The Soviet T-50 had a significant mobility advantage.

The German Pz.I and the English Mk VI in terms of armament and armor were the weakest and were inferior to the Soviet and French light tanks. The firepower of the German Pz.II was insufficient due to the installation of a small-caliber cannon. The Soviet T-26 and BT-7 mass tanks outnumbered the German ones, were equal on armor, and the BT-7 were outnumbered by German tanks in mobility. In terms of characteristics, firepower, security and mobility, all were ahead of the Soviet T-50.

Medium tanks


Medium tanks were characterized by a crew of mainly (3-6) people, weighing 11-27 tons, 37-76,2-mm cannon armament, good anti-bullet protection, some tanks had anti-bullet protection, and satisfactory mobility.



1) A total of 300 tanks were produced, including 175 Mk II A10 and 125 MkI A9 with similar characteristics.

2) A total of 2491 tanks were produced, including 1771 MkV, 655 MkIV A13 and 65 Mk III A13 with similar characteristics.

3) 1248 T-34 tanks were produced by July 1941.

Medium tanks


The armor protection was mainly at the 16-30 mm level, only the English Matilda I had 60 mm thick armor, and the T-34 had 45 mm armor with rational tilt angles.

The most powerful caliber guns had a Pz IV and T-34, but on the Pz IV there was a short-barreled 75mm gun with L / 24, and on the T-34 a long-barreled 76,2-mm gun with L / 41,5.



By mobility stood out T-34 with a diesel engine, tank speed 54 km per hour and power reserve 380km.

In terms of all the characteristics, all the tanks were significantly ahead of the T-34, the German Pz IV and the French S35 were somewhat inferior to it. In the West, a good medium tank was never developed, the T-34 was the first tank in which, for all its flaws in the layout of the combat compartment, there was an optimal combination of firepower, security and mobility, ensuring its high efficiency.



Heavy tanks


The heavy tanks were characterized by a crew of mainly 5-6 people, 23-52 tons of weight, 75-76,2-mm cannon armament, anti-missile booking and limited mobility characteristics.



German tank Nb.Nz. in fact, it was a medium tank, but for promotional purposes, German propaganda everywhere presented it as a heavy tank. In total, 5 samples of this tank were made, three of them were sent to Norway, where they demonstrated the power of the Wehrmacht armored forces and played no part in the fighting.

The multi-tower T-35 Soviet tanks turned out to be a dead-end branch and turned out to be ineffective in actual combat operations. The creation of the KV-2 assault tank with the 152-mm howitzer also had no further development due to the problems with the gun, the large dimensions of the tank and its unsatisfactory mobility.



On the basis of the characteristics of the KV-1 and B1bis with the 60-75-mm armor and armor with powerful weapons, they were adequately represented in the niche of heavy tanks and were successfully used during the war. For firepower, the KV-1 stood out with a long-barreled 76,2-mm cannon with L / 41,6. Not much inferior to him, the French B1bis, armed with two guns, at the beginning of the war, he showed high efficiency and the 161 captured by the Germans B1bis were included in the Wehrmacht.
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Soviet and German tank design schools


With the beginning of the war, the advantages and disadvantages of all tanks immediately became visible. None of the light, medium and heavy tanks of England and the United States did not find use during the war, they had to develop and launch into mass production new light, medium and heavy tanks. Occupied France completely stopped the development and production of tanks. In Germany, the Pz.II lungs were operated by the Wehrmacht until 1943, and the average Pz.III and Pz.IV became German mass tanks themselves and were produced until the end of the war, in addition to them, Pz.V Panther and Pz.VI appeared in 1942. "Tiger".

Tanks of the Soviet Union with the beginning of the war were adequately represented in each class, among the light T-50, medium T-34 and heavy KV-1. The T-34 became the main tank of the army and a symbol of Victory. For organizational reasons, it was not put on mass production of the T-50, instead of the outdated light tanks T-26 and the BT family, simple and cheap light tanks T-60 and T-70 were developed and launched, which were significantly inferior to T-50, but low cost and ease of production in wartime took its toll. A small batch of T-50 in 75 tanks confirmed its high performance, but in the conditions of the evacuation of the plants at the beginning of the war, its mass production did not work out, all forces were thrown into mass production of T-34. Heavy tanks KV-1, also showed themselves at the beginning of the war, based on them appeared more sophisticated KV-85 and the family of IP.

All this suggests that the Soviet and German tank design schools in the pre-war years turned out to be on top, they chose the right path for the development of tanks, creating truly decent models, strengthening them later with more advanced, developed already during the war.

Proportion of tanks on the eve of the war


After reviewing the tactical and technical characteristics of tanks, their quantitative ratio on the eve of the war is of interest. In different sources, the numbers vary, but the order of numbers in principle coincides. For a quantitative comparison of tanks in this material used the release of tanks by industry in the interwar period. Naturally, not all tanks were in the military with the outbreak of hostilities, some were being repaired or for training, some were decommissioned and disposed of, but this applies to all countries and by the ratio of tanks produced, one can judge the power of armored forces of countries that entered World War II .



1) In the USSR, before the war, the 4866 floating tank was produced, including 2566 T-37, 1340 T-38, 960 T-40.

2) Germany captured in Czechoslovakia 244 light tank LT vz.35 (Pz.35 (t)) and 763 light tank LT vz.38 (Pz.38 (t)), in France 2152 light tank, including 704 FT17 ( 18), 48 FCM36, 600 H35, 800 R35, as well as 297 medium tank S35 SOMUA and 161 heavy tank B1bis and included them in the Wehrmacht.

Production of tanks on the eve of the war


THE USSR. 1941 light tanks were produced before July 18381 years, including 9686 light tanks T-26, 8620 fast tanks BT series (620 BT-2, 1884 BT-5, 5328 BT-7, 788 BT-7M) and 75 light tanks T-50.

It was also released 4866 light amphibious tanks (2566 T-37, 1340 T-38, 960 T-40). They are difficult to attribute to the tanks, but according to their characteristics and capabilities they were armored vehicles with armor (mm 13-20) mm thick and machine-gun armament.

Medium tanks were released 1248 T-34 and 503 T-28. Heavy tanks were presented 432 KV-1, 204 KV-2 and 61 T-35.

In total, 20829 tanks of all classes were manufactured, including 18381 light, 1751 medium and 697 heavy, as well as 4866 floating tanks.

Germany. Until July 1941, the 2827 light tank (1574 Pz.I and 1253 Pz.II) and 1870 medium tank (1173 Pz.III and 697 Pz.IV) and 5 heavy Nb.Nz.

After joining Czechoslovakia 1938 of the Wehrmacht included 1007 lung Czechoslovak tank (244 LT vz.35 and 763 LT vz.38), and after the destruction in lung 1940 2152 France tank (704 FT17 (18), FCM48 36, 600 N35, 800 R35), 297 medium tank S35 SOMUA and 161 heavy tank B1bis.

All in all, the Wehrmacht had 8319 tanks of all classes, including 5986 light, 2167 medium and 166 heavy tanks.

France. At the beginning of the war, France had 2270 light tanks, (1070 R35, 1000 N35, 100 FCM36), approximately 1560 outdated light FT17 tanks (18), 430 medium tanks S35, 403 heavy tank B1bis and hundreds of other types of light tanks, produced in small batches .

In total, on the eve of the war, there were about 4655 tanks of various classes in the French army, including 3830 light, 430 medium and 403 heavy tanks.

England. At the beginning of the war in England, the 1300 light tank MkVI and 3090 medium tank were released (139 Matilda I, 160 Medium MkII, 175 Mk II A10, 125 MkI A9, 1771 MkV, 655 MkIV A13, chNXX, 65 MkV, 13 MkV II, XNUMX MkV II

All England possessed 4390 tanks of various classes, including 1300 light, 3090 medium. Heavy tanks were not.

USA. In the US, 990 tanks of various classes were launched, including 844 light tanks (148 M1 and 696 M2) and 146 medium Medium M2 tanks. Heavy tanks were also not

Why did we lose the start of the war


Consideration of the technical characteristics of tanks and their quantitative ratio, on the one hand, causes pride in our tank builders, who created tanks before the war that are not inferior to and even surpass Western images, on the other hand, the question arises how is this with so many tanks many times greater than German We practically lost all tanks in the first months of the war and rolled far back.

The old legends that an avalanche of powerful German tanks rushed at us have long since been dispelled, and the figures cited only confirm this. We did not yield to them in quality, and in quantity exceeded many times. The characteristics of the German tanks were far from perfect, the powerful Panthers and Tigers appeared only at the end of 1942. With such a mass of even not very sophisticated tanks, we could simply tear apart German tank wedges, but this did not happen. Why?

Probably because the Germans seriously outplayed us in the strategy and tactics of using tanks, it was they who were the first to adopt the blitzkrieg concept, in which tank wedges supported by artillery, infantry and aviation became the main force in breaking through the defense and encirclement of the enemy. A breakthrough was prepared by artillery and aircraft, suppressing the enemy, tanks rushed at the final stage of the breakthrough and completed the defeat of the enemy.

Our commanders of all levels were not ready for this. Here, apparently, many factors, both technical and organizational, have affected. Many tanks were outdated designs and did not meet the requirements of the time. The T-34 tank was still “raw” and suffered from “growth diseases”, the crews of the tanks were poorly trained and did not know how to use the equipment. The system of providing ammunition and fuel was not organized, often combat-ready tanks had to be abandoned and they were not always destroyed. Poor organization of the evacuation service led to the fact that often destroyed and fully combat-ready tanks were not evacuated from the battlefield and destroyed by the enemy.

Equally important was the good training of German tankers and their good tactical skills in coordinating the work of tank crews and command experience gained in battles with Poland and France in controlling tank units and formations.

Serious problems in the Red Army were with the tactics of using tanks, lack of training of commanders of all levels, especially senior managers, to act in a critical situation and the confusion of the first days of the war, led to loss of controllability by troops, hasty introduction of mechanized corps and tank units to eliminate breakthroughs and attacks on a well-prepared enemy defense without the support of artillery, infantry and aviation, and unjustified long marches over long distances disarmed equipment before doing it in a fight.

All this was expected after the cleansing of the “big terror”, everyone saw how the initiative and excessive autonomy ended, the newly baked commanders were afraid to take personal initiative, fear was shackled by their actions and higher teams issued without taking into account the specific situation, thoughtlessly carried out. All this led to terrible defeat and catastrophic loss of equipment and people, years and thousands of lives were taken to correct errors.

Unfortunately, all this took place not only in 1941, even during the Prokhorovsky battle in the summer of 1943, Rotmistrov’s fifth tank army was abandoned, almost without the support of artillery and aviation, to break through the enemy’s quickly organized anti-tank defense, with saturated anti-tank artillery and assault weapons. The army did not fulfill the task and suffered huge losses (53% of the tanks participating in the counterstroke were lost). Such losses were also due to the fact that the battlefield became behind the enemy and all the damaged tanks to be restored were destroyed by the enemy.

As a result of this battle, a commission was created that assessed the reasons for the unsuccessful use of tanks and their technical characteristics. Conclusions were made, a new T-34-85 tank appeared with increased firepower and the tactics of using tanks was seriously changed. Tanks no longer threw at the breach of the enemy’s anti-tank defense, only after the defenses were hacked by artillery and aviation, tank formations and units were introduced into the breakthrough for large-scale operations to surround and destroy the enemy.

All this was later, and at the beginning of the war we had losses with good and not very tanks and learned to fight. Before the war, more than 20 of thousands of tanks, even if not completely perfect, were released, and only a very strong country could afford to organize a mass production of tanks during the war. We in 30-s were able to catch up with the Western countries in tank building and ended the war with Victory, having in service excellent samples of tanks.
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  1. +20
    19 July 2019 18: 18
    Well ... I did not expect this to be read.
    In this regard, their armies did not have independent armored forces, the tanks were dispersed over infantry and cavalry formations.
    Cavalry divisions in England and France, only the names had those, but were essentially TANK. So England and France had independent tank forces ...
    There were no independent armored forces in the Red Army either, in the form of companies, battalions, and regiments, they were part of the state or attached to reinforce infantry divisions and brigades.
    What is this "pearl"? The RKKA rifle divisions had their own separate tank battalion, all other tanks were brought together into tank brigades.
    1. +16
      19 July 2019 18: 23
      Here, in addition to the performance characteristics of tanks, there is one continuous pearl. The author’s knowledge of the history of the Second World War, the use of tank formations, and the initial period of the war did not go beyond high school.
      1. +7
        19 July 2019 21: 28
        I support. The article is a complete disappointment ..... Sad.
        I dare to suggest that the Author studied something similar in his time, as the “pearl” set forth in the article is a quasistation of the late Soviet historical school. When they began to declassify numbers and open archives, the intelligentsia began to look for reasons and extremes! In general, a la article from Arguments and Facts or the Literary newspaper of the late 80's ...!
        The most interesting The author missed, and perhaps did not know! In this connection, the conclusions are incorrect, makes mistakes in the structure and tactics of using BTT, etc. In the 90s, Russia began to translate Guderian, Manstein. In specialized literature, works by English-speaking Authors appear. Then the Italians, the French, the Japanese! In fact, in the 00s, the historical science of tanks makes a quantum leap forward! To date, only my library contains over 70 works on tanks of the Second World War, 52 Authors !!! It tempts me to offer the author of today's article to offer to read Katorin, Isaev, Patients .... but just ask for an author’s copy from your colleague Shpakovsky ...
        On the other hand, I understand perfectly well that the mistakes of today's work do not flow from the author’s illiteracy, but perhaps have a different nature! Banal professional deformation, when a person possessing colossal professional experience, just burns out! Dear Yuri just lost in the amount of information. Given that recently the archives of the Moscow Region are digitized and laid out almost daily. Factories, such as UVZ, are not far behind. It is not uncommon for writers to refute their earlier conclusions from publication to publication. Example “Unique and paradoxical technique. The book has already stood three editions. The main thing here is no offense. So if we compare who is in the topic of tanks, then naturally our respected Author, but ..... Patients in his work Tank wars of the 20th century have a bibliography on 4 pages, and Katorin in his Tank Encyclopedia on 6 ..... .?
        A similar situation in blitzkrieg! Understanding the ideas presented in the article died a moment before the thesis “blitzkrieg = tanks + pieces” appeared in our historiography! And today even this is already for VO readers - archaism !!!
        Now my personal conclusion is that VO readers sincerely expected more from the respected Author! From here the roots of sincere disappointment grow!
        I have a compromise proposal to the Author. Dear Yuri, try to rework the article, get away from the stamps of the late USSR! If there is a need, then I personally and your fans of the forum users will share their suggestions, which is worth reading from modern historians.
        Sincerely, Kote!
        1. +5
          19 July 2019 21: 41
          To date, only my library contains over 70 works on WWII tanks, 52 Authors !!!
          hi ,,, tremendously good
          Considering that recently the MO archives have been digitized
          ,, Here when reading the documents of those years, it constantly comes across that is:
          - incomplete l / s units,
          -the ratio of equipment
          - bad preparation l / s
          or the compilers of those documents thereby covering up their mistakes request
          1. +5
            19 July 2019 22: 09
            Sergey, good evening!
            In Soviet times, there was a huge shortage of such information. So how dorval so seized. Knowing my illness books were presented by friends and colleagues! There were incidents. When one and the same encyclopedia was presented at work by friends! Sometimes a “saboteur” was sent to visit before the holiday, but the saboteur could also get into the hole. Sometimes three years in a row !!!
            On the other hand, given that I got a library of 15 items from my parents, and today I have caught up to almost 000, but the military-technical section is lost against the historical one! By the way, my mother has racks in three out of five rooms, in my two out of three, plus a book-wardrobe in the house (shelves in a closet a meter wide from floor to ceiling). Several times I tried to conduct an audit - fortunately for the library and the local orphanage, but did not finish it for ten years!
            I will smile! Many books, too, were poorly searched for for three days by Bulgakov’s child - Master and Margarita!
            Regards, Vlad!
            1. +4
              19 July 2019 22: 15
              A lot of books are also bad, for three days I was looking for a child

              ,,,Well feel if so look laughing
              1. +3
                19 July 2019 22: 16
                crying thanks Sergey - appreciated !!!
          2. +5
            19 July 2019 22: 44
            - bad preparation l / s

            Fighting 8 MK 22 to 30.6.41





            For the T-34 tanks in 1941, the 500-kilometer march would be almost deadly. In June, 1941, the 8 th mechanized corps under the command of DI Ryabyshev, after such a march from permanent locations to the Dubno district, lost almost half of its equipment on the way due to breakdowns. Artem Drabkin
            1. +5
              20 July 2019 02: 01

              About tankers, my grandfather died on March 9, a detached commander, sergeant, 1st machine gun company 875 GSP (volunteers), to the north of that place the marines already have a big anchor - how many people have put ... It is unclear what the tanks did 14 km in a straight line and why didn’t you prepare the crossing, your division, here is the 56th army under the leadership of Tsyganov?
        2. +7
          19 July 2019 22: 30
          Good evening, Vlad. hi
          In the 90s, Russia began to translate Guderian, Manstein.


          They, among others, had been translated before, I had mastered von Melentin, Ruge and Morrison before serving in the SA. This is offhand from what was recalled. Perhaps this was one of the few significant advantages of the Khrushchev Thaw. Yes, all this literature was from the publishers (excuse the tautology) of our Military Publishing House.

          PS From Melentin, for some reason, one story is especially engraved in the memory. Melentin, then colonel, contracted amoebic dysentery in Africa. And the German doctors could not cure him of this dirty trick. So, shortly before the Battle of the Kursk Bulge, his corps stood next to the Russian (!) SS (!) Tank (!) Unit and the Russian commander of this unit cured Melentin of dysentery with small but frequent doses of ... pure alcohol! And the German was insanely grateful to him for that! Well, how is it ?! And this is what the general of the Wehrmacht writes in his memoirs. Have you ever heard anything about a Russian SS tank unit, in general, not to mention the Battle of Kursk? I did not hear, but I read it with this German with my own eyes. Friedrich von Melentin, Major General, first cousin of Prince Albert of Prussia. I don't remember the title of his book at all, but this episode is firmly stuck in my memory. And you know, I believe him. Well, what else can a Russian be treated with, especially "from the stomach" ?!
          1. +1
            19 July 2019 23: 43
            Gee! Our memoirs are all! Therefore, it is necessary to study all possible sources !!! At least on the “maybe” tank theme in our forum users VO definitely will not work .....! Already a very contingent of mature gathered .... and I'm not talking to myself !!!
            Sincerely, Vlad!
            1. +2
              19 July 2019 23: 53
              Yes, I also do not "swear", there are generally such asses, where we, sinners. I'm quite serious. smile
          2. +1
            23 July 2019 08: 54
            The SS division included a tank company on captured T-34s. True, the Germans modernized them by installing a commander's cupola, etc. The composition of the "company" can be found in the documents.
            1. 0
              23 July 2019 15: 39
              I know about companies on trophy thirty-fours. The whole question is what kind of crews they were. Do you think it could have been the Russians? The SS? I just had in mind the nationality of the SS (on the Kursk Bulge), and the tanks ... they are "international" like any other weapon, they don't give a damn who sits in them, be it a Russian or a German. hi
        3. +3
          20 July 2019 10: 32
          Dear Kote ...! This article did not set the goal of researching and disclosing the causes of defeats at the beginning of the war. The main attention is paid to the study of the technical characteristics of tanks and the quantitative ratio with tanks of other countries on the eve of the war. In 80 I had to meet with the curator of armored vehicles Kostenko at the Military Industrial Commission on several occasions. In one of the conversations I asked the question why we are driving a ton of tanks at four factories and have long overtaken all NATO countries taken together in their number. He unexpectedly replied that at the beginning of the war we had about 20 of thousands of tanks and we quickly lost them (then no one suspected this, the information was closed) and therefore the Soviet military commanders somewhere in the subconscious are trying to have a strategic reserve of tanks now. Kostenko later wrote about this in one of his books. The purpose of the article was to reveal the technical potential of tanks, according to which we were at or above our competitors, and in number they exceeded them many times and the failure of the outbreak of war was not in technology, but in another. In this article, apparently, it was not necessary to touch upon the organizational causes of the defeats of the first stage of the war; this is the subject of a separate deeper and more detailed study based on information in many areas.
          1. +1
            20 July 2019 16: 17
            Thank you for giving a detailed answer!
            According to Kostenko! He sets out a similar point of view in the book “T-72” of the publication commissioned by UVZ!
            Again, my opinion is that this conclusion is erroneous, which arose due to the enthusiasm of defensive tactics in the Soviet Union in the 70s! When they began to introduce dogma into the battle of Kursk! Including in charters.
            In fact, your fellow countryman Morozov (author of the T-64) and the designers of the T-80 laid down a completely different maneuverable offensive tactics! If we were playing defense on the second post-war generation of tanks, then instead of the revolutionary T-64, the evolutionary Chelyabinsk and Leningrad Or seven-wheeled T-62s with 125mm guns would go off the assembly line! A la China.
            But no, we got the T-64 and its mobility T-72! ”
            Regards, Vladislav!
            1. +4
              20 July 2019 20: 32
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              Again, my opinion is that this conclusion is erroneous, which arose due to the enthusiasm of defensive tactics in the Soviet Union in the 70s! When they began to introduce dogma into the battle of Kursk! Including in charters.

              The mention of "my opinion" is correct, because, for example, Marshal Nikolai Vasilyevich Ogarkov would not agree with you. It was he who in the 70s developed a strategy for war on the European continent, the main principle of which was the offensive nature of the conduct of hostilities. Its concept was tested, as you know, on the "WEST-81" command and control unit.
              IMHO, you made a mistake in the sign: such a number of tanks was required not just "in reserve" from the costs of a defensive war, but to make up for losses when breaking into enemy defenses.
              As for the Kursk Bulge. The Soviet military leaders had no illusions about the results of the battles: with the known parameters (time of the start of the attack, direction of strikes, enemy strength), the strategic defense being built for a long time barely survived. Hence the conclusion that the enemy should not be given the initiative under any circumstances, was firmly driven into the heads of commanders of all levels.
              1. +2
                20 July 2019 20: 56
                Dear Moore, I have not read your comments for a long time. I am sincerely glad of the dispute.
                I read about the defensive nature of the concept of using tanks from the author of the article. His comment is higher in the text. Since the mid-80s, such an approach is reflected in the Charter! When the defense section, highlighted!
                Researches on the viciousness of this approach take place in the books of Isaev, Medinsky (smiled) and other authors.
                By the way, I also criticize this character! Therefore, despite the memoirs of Our tank Gurus! I think it was not without reason that the culmination of our Soviet BTT was the T-80 (English Channel). Something did not finish Our old men or forgot something! In fact, if we were playing from the defense, everything should have been Merkava or Challenger, and we had riveted T-64 and T-80! I will not say anything about the T-72, so in the "cockroach races" he did the first and second! Although on the autobahns inferior to both of them!
                Regards, Vlad!
                1. +2
                  20 July 2019 21: 10
                  Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                  Since the mid-80s, such an approach is reflected in the Charter! When the defense section, highlighted!

                  Dear Vlad, I can’t discuss the Charter now, access difficulties. I only remember that some of the changes were made from the experience of military operations in Afghanistan. Otherwise, I completely agree with you.
                  1. 0
                    20 July 2019 21: 11
                    Goodnight! Regards, Vlad!
                2. +1
                  20 July 2019 21: 12
                  Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                  About T-72 I will not say anything so in the "cockroach race" he did the first and second!

                  It is really better to remain silent here, especially about the episode when the experienced T-72 company got up because of the massive failure of the balancers in the chassis, and then because of the loss of the roller rim. Otherwise, yes ...
      2. 0
        2 October 2019 18: 08
        In TTX tanks the same picture - the author is not in the subject.
    2. Alf
      +1
      19 July 2019 20: 40
      Quote: svp67
      Well ... I did not expect this to be read.

      This is Apukhtin, another word is not selected. Rather, it is selected, but again I do not want to wash.
    3. +2
      20 July 2019 04: 55
      To be precise, the French army included light mechanized divisions (DLM), light cavalry divisions (DLC), infantry tank divisions (DCR), and motorized infantry divisions (DIM). 1st DLM formed in July 1935, 2nd DLM in July 1937.
      1. +5
        20 July 2019 06: 24
        Dear, here we are afraid to hint at our pre-war mechanized corps, God forbid injuring the Author! And you are the truth about the structure of the French tank forces! lol
        The author said there were companies and everything, iron with lumin ...
        Although the categories of units should be careful. A classic example of a Wehrmacht tank division, which was essentially equal to our tank army!
        1. +1
          22 July 2019 18: 34
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Although the categories of units should be careful. A classic example of a Wehrmacht tank division, which was essentially equal to our tank army!

          Ummm ... after all, panzerdivisia was roughly equivalent to our reinforced tank corps. Reinforced, because in terms of standard artillery our shopping mall was significantly inferior to the German one.
          In general, the situation with the difference between ours and the German OShS was described well by Anisimov. in "Option Bis":
          We managed to discuss yesterday’s story with an army journalist. The eccentric in lieutenant uniforms laughed when he was told how they burned a platoon of "tigers". Regiment - platoon. One after the other, having spat at the fucking correspondent under his feet, the Letekhi and higher ranks turned away so as not to see his faces, the junior lieutenants simply left the showroom in the distance.

          So, some rear guard begins to show off at the warehouse of fuel: what are you, the heroes, fighting with one German with three armies ... But what - he has no idea about the states of the units, about how the "tiger" who rolls at you looks like, - also. But there is a lot of ambition. I wonder if there is an intelligent and polite man among the front-line soldiers who will explain that a platoon of Soviet self-propelled guns is two cars, and a platoon of German tanks is five, or will it go about being spat out? And that their self-propelled regiment, when fresh, is sixteen barrels, and the German tank regiment is under one hundred and fifty armored beasts, more than one and a half of our brigade or almost like an American division ...
  2. +9
    19 July 2019 18: 23
    I would add another poor interaction between our troops due to the lack of normal communication.
    1. 0
      20 July 2019 14: 25
      For some associations, a lack of communication within a few days would be more beneficial than presence. Everything is more complicated.
  3. +9
    19 July 2019 18: 32
    "There are two types of labor: production and managerial. 95% of errors and defects in production are the fault of managers."
    To paraphrase this idea - 95% of defeats - the fault of the command staff ...
  4. +4
    19 July 2019 18: 52
    The fascist T-IIIs had another 50 mm long-barreled gun.
    1. 0
      19 July 2019 22: 31
      These were German tanks, they were not a member of the Nazi party. request
      1. +1
        19 July 2019 23: 47
        Gee ...! French tanks often drew carted "aces" and "kings"! By the way, that’s how they also didn’t show themselves ..
    2. 0
      22 July 2019 18: 35
      Quote: K-50
      The fascist T-IIIs had another 50 mm long-barreled gun.

      This is when Mussolini had such tanks? wink
      1. +1
        22 July 2019 18: 58
        Quote: Alexey RA

        This is when Mussolini had such tanks?

        For me, everyone who killed my grandfathers-great-grandfathers fascists. No need to cling to the wording. hi
      2. 0
        22 July 2019 19: 32
        Finally, remember the song "Get up, huge country". There it is about the fascist force that is sung.
        Konstantin Simonov, this was such a poet, otherwise suddenly you don’t know, in his poem he wrote: “how many times will you see fascist, kill him so many times! "
        Or do you simply want to belittle the feat of your fallen relatives with your nagging? Or maybe you had them for one thing with the "yubermenschs"?
        In general, do not find fault, showing your "learning"! sad
  5. +2
    19 July 2019 19: 26
    What is the power ... brother ... and she, strength, is in newtons .... If BT of the Red Army at 41 were like that ... then what ... near Moscow (i.e. half a year after June 22) tanks already considered piece by piece ....
    1. +1
      19 July 2019 20: 45
      anti-tank rifles and other tank destroyers, brother - they could even flash 34-ku on board ...
  6. +1
    19 July 2019 20: 09
    Well prepared material, but the conclusions are extremely unfounded, from the ceiling ...
    Firstly, during the purges in the army with the Tukhachevsky case (2,5 thousand were shot) and not only (the last executions were in October 1941 - in particular, those who fought in Spain, who showed themselves at Khalkhin-Gol (aviation, air defense - in particular Stern, 25 people in total) - On May 15, a German transport plane that was not noticed by air defense made a flight along the route Bialystok - Minsk - Smolensk - Moscow, where it landed, which led to a wave of arrests among the leaders of the air defense and air force (reason - at least message on May 28, 1941 of a GRU resident in Romania about a military coup after the outbreak of war with the Germans, with the beginning of the war, a change of military leadership in Moscow - and why Stalin did not appear in public for a long time) - a transport worker is a sampler in case of support for the conspirators. sabotage and sabotage. Spain of that time-it is anarchists and radicals such as the Trotskyists, oddly enough, and anything could happen there (recruitment, etc.) ???
    Secondly, the size of the army increased sharply (universal conscription since September 1939, someone had to do industrialization) - the lack of junior command personnel affected (which can be seen in comparison with the Wehrmacht) - the motor resource of equipment was saved, the lack of cars and combat coordination suffered etc. This is not repression, but simply did not have time, since economically Germany would have been ready for war with the USSR only by 1947, and Hitler was misinformed by Canaris (an agent of British intelligence) that we have one echelon of defense (and not three - they choked, the blitzkrieg failed) so that Hitler began to fight on two fronts and the position of Great Britain was alleviated. And the United States also behaved cunningly, and if we entered the war with Germany, they would have provided assistance to Germany (the Japs can be "thanked" for Pearl Harbor in October 1941 and it became easier for us (we still expected that the United States had to to side with Hitler, so we had great potential in the Far East, not only against some kind of Kwantung grouping and the like of the Japs), and Lend-Lease went to us only from the 42nd) - so it's not that simple ...
    1. +2
      19 July 2019 20: 42
      Alas, the article is superficial! Gallop across Europe. It’s sad ....
      1. +3
        19 July 2019 21: 16
        so to speak, swot-analysis))) you can’t be so categorical, still tried)
        1. +5
          19 July 2019 21: 38
          Above, I gave my conclusions about the causes of errors and shortcomings in the work of the Author! Without conditional work, a lot was done, only I did not see the latest research of our Russian historians who write about tanks and their tactics (Sick, Katorin, Isaev, etc.). Some kind of deja vu from the end of the 80s! It’s as if I opened the arguments and facts, but I do not read VO from the phone ... what
          1. +3
            19 July 2019 22: 36
            Yes, A. Bolnykh dashingly writes in general, but about tanks in particular is just great. "Blitzkrieg" was swallowed just like an adventure novel. Then I reread it more closely. I wonder if he has anything new now?
            But the 20th century of aviation somehow did not go with me, it’s boring and full of repetitions.
            1. +2
              19 July 2019 23: 21
              I settled on his Tank Wars.
              Regards, Vlad!
              1. +1
                19 July 2019 23: 36
                Good evening again!

                He had two things about tanks: "XX century of tanks" and "Blitzkrieg", and both are good. good

                And, of course, with respect, your M.Kot. drinks
                1. +2
                  20 July 2019 05: 58
                  I have both books under one cover!
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            1. +4
              20 July 2019 06: 16
              Rostislav! How do you like the T-62 dopped in the field? From the side and rear projections, the machine is scalded with a weaving corner 5 mm thick. From the bottom, iron cards 30 mm thick are welded on the case. Over the engine compartment on the shovels there is a ZSU-23 equipped with homemade shields in a circle. Moreover, a la battleship - installed with the possibility of firing forward and lined with sandbags. And this is not Syria or Iraq, but our Chechnya of the sample of the 00th military unit of the Russian Interior Ministry! The rest is no worse. Of these, only one factory kit (UVZ). In total, there were two tanks in the unit of these two cannon, which were cherished like the apple of an eye. They walked. The columns are second. In battle formations occupied the flanks.
              You can’t recall the Austin-Putilowitz armored cars here. By the way, how not to recall the power of a 23 mm shell. A south house in brick dryness works in five minutes .....
              1. +2
                20 July 2019 08: 33
                did you drink at the admiral of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (they formally led operations)? .. you won’t erase words from the song, you couldn’t see shiloh on the staff (when equipment was removed to increase ammunition - still Afghan experience, escorting colonies)
                1. +1
                  21 July 2019 07: 19
                  You are laughing! Where from the Russian Interior Ministry of the Interior Shilka! Look at the structure of the Taman Division, alas - dreaming is not harmful, it is harmful not to dream.
                  1. +1
                    21 July 2019 10: 33
                    I'm not laughing, but ZSU-23-4 (Shilka), as far as I remember, entered, then it was replaced by "Tunguska" (Names from the Amur tributaries). Produced in 1964 - In the offensive, "Shilki" provide anti-aircraft cover, moving behind the tanks at a distance of about 400 m (firing 2,5 km * 1,5 km * 450 m / s) ... in your case, set a two-piece (ZU-23-2 ) probably, but as a tank chassis (the rate of fire gave the density of fire in the mountains where single tank shots are ineffective (these are not BOV and ODB or the same Bumblebee) when escorting convoys, although they are useful as a "sniper rifle" over long distances - that's in their heads and a "mutant" was born at VVshnikov according to the experience of Afgan)
                    Shilka showed their good time in the Arab-Israeli war, then the planes had to dive over targets, the participants told (ours) the first time the sky became clear, then the Israelis used anti-radar missiles, ours shut up for more than a week, then the installation came to dig them in in the sand (rocket went to the side) - then the sky is clear ...
              2. 0
                20 July 2019 23: 07
                Vlad, good evening. hi
                And how did the people get to the engine compartment in case of urgent need? Something badly imagine. We, on our "half-four", always deployed the tower, but here in general there is such a "construction".
                1. +1
                  21 July 2019 07: 14
                  A channel with a thickness of 80 centimeters is welded on the sides, so there is some kind of a manhole to the engine compartment. But if something serious, then remove the entire structure!
                  Good day, Konstantin!
                  1. +1
                    21 July 2019 15: 58
                    But this is a pure maintenance nightmare! Although ... I involuntarily recalled a cow in a bomb bay from the Peculiarities of the National Hunt: "If you want to live, you will not be so upset."

                    Good afternoon, Vladislav hi He just started for me, insomnia overcame.
  7. -1
    19 July 2019 21: 00
    The author forgot a serious thing - the planned theater. Europe - by Europe. But the Soviet Union at the time even the start of WWII was not even Germany in the main opponents. And JAPAN !!! And where the heck the medium and heavy tanks dug in - with the vastness of Transbaikalia. They will develop a resource earlier than they get to the database from the piece of iron
    1. +2
      19 July 2019 21: 11
      The United States has forgotten, only the capitalists have not divided the resources of Southeast Asia (so you can "thank" the Japs for Pearl Harbor - October 41, and the Neutrality Pact between the USSR and Japan is a Soviet-Japanese treaty on mutual neutrality signed in Moscow On April 13, 1941 (two years after the border conflict on the Khalkhin-gol river), we also carried out military aircraft (the US bombers that landed on our territory did not return) ...
    2. +1
      19 July 2019 21: 47
      Quote: Bee E-mayo
      The author forgot a serious thing - the planned theater. Europe - by Europe. But the Soviet Union at the time even the start of WWII was not even Germany in the main opponents. And JAPAN !!! And where the heck the medium and heavy tanks dug in - with the vastness of Transbaikalia. They will develop a resource earlier than they get to the database from the piece of iron


      And where didn’t come from, the KV-2 drove around the corner! wink
      Contrary to the opinion of Yuri before the military, Klima Voroshilov was riveted like breakthrough tanks. Why does he need a 152mm howitzer? How not to destroy pillboxes and bunkers, concrete gouges, and other disgrace.
      The appearance of a huge number of light tanks at the Soviet Socialist Republic in the pre-war period was not due to our increase in any concepts, but corny with our capabilities. We were richer then we riveted TG-1 and we were afraid of a mustache! But from poverty we “stamped” the T-26 !!!
      1. 0
        19 July 2019 22: 18
        Also how to say. If you remember, much later, almost in the same regions, Soviet floating tanks showed themselves well in Vietnam. But what would KV-2 do there or in China ... The question, of course, is interesting. I think they would be sitting in the mud on the hatches on the tower.
      2. +2
        19 July 2019 22: 46
        I don’t remember exactly at what angle the tank was tilted, but this monstrous tower completely wedged. Some kind of stupid attempt to combine an assault self-propelled gun and a heavy tank in one bottle.
        But the entire series of BTs was riveted not from poverty, but solely according to the general postulate - "Little blood on someone else's territory." With the tracks removed - forward along the beautiful European roads through Berlin straight to Paris. Alas, everything turned out to be not so simple. Unfortunately.
        1. +3
          19 July 2019 23: 37
          Konstantin, God bless me, the BT cost 60 rubles, and the T-000 - 26 - 10 rubles! The rest, with the exception of the speed of the machine, are comparable in their performance characteristics.
          The trouble is KV - clutch and gearbox! About little blood and on foreign territory, pearl taken out of the context of Tukhachevsky! Moreover, he is the same age as the T-26 model of 32 years with two towers! A classic of such an English school - to clean the trenches with transverse fire! The rest - everything is contrived ....
          KV-2 is the brainchild of our gloomy genius! Namely, the quasistence of the experience of a Finnish company! The 76 mm cannon coped poorly with the concrete grooves of the Morenheim line! hi
          1. +4
            19 July 2019 23: 46
            I was on this line, we climbed many places, including under water. It's hard to say anything definite about the pillboxes, all the caponiers and caps are blown up, so it's hard to understand what they were "treated" with before. The entrances are filled up, and even the premises are flooded with water. However, this did not prevent us from finding weapons in a completely marketable condition, they even dated them according to found newspapers - always the fortieth year.
        2. +1
          20 July 2019 13: 05
          Quote: Sea Cat
          With the caterpillars taken off, forward along beautiful European roads through Berlin directly to Paris.

          Well, this is from the Rezunolatins. I won’t even look for numbers, just ask why wheel-tracked tanks weren’t produced after 1939. And pay attention to the small-tracked caterpillar from BT-7M.
          1. +1
            20 July 2019 23: 13
            I will not be interested. Not everyone in the leadership of the Red Army was similar to Kulik, someone had eyes, ears and a head. Themselves marked the year - 1939, in Spain it was all over, but in Poland it began. But riveted this stuff more than enough.
            1. +2
              22 July 2019 19: 12
              Quote: Sea Cat
              I will not be interested. Not everyone in the leadership of the Red Army was similar to Kulik, someone had eyes, ears and a head.

              And what does Kulik have to do with it? He was then engaged in artillery.
              In addition, it was Kulik who made a lot of efforts to ensure that the same Kharkov began to eliminate the design flaws of the T-34 at the beginning of 1941, and not after the outbreak of war.
              1. 0
                22 July 2019 21: 31
                Kulik at Kulik, Alexey hi . And I meant it exclusively as a certain type of that time. For sure, remember the story with PDP.
                1. 0
                  23 July 2019 10: 47
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  For sure, remember the story with PDP.

                  I remember very well - Kulik demanded to stop the production of PPD until the deficiencies were eliminated and the design simplified, as well as to develop a new PP to replace the PPD.
                  Because our weapons industry mastered stamping and welding only by 1940. And before that, you could forget about cheap software - an automatic weapon under a pistol cartridge cost as much as half a light machine gun.
                  In short, Kulik opposed the domestic Tommy Gun and demanded massive cheap PP. In the meantime, industry will not give it up - the army will spend its budget on something else (at the same time handing over the RPM to warehouses and providing stored units with a stock of cartridges). smile
                  1. 0
                    23 July 2019 15: 44
                    How many historians - so many opinions. And every opinion has the right to exist. Any event can be interpreted from any angle, and relying on the same information. I do not want to argue with you, you have your own opinion, I have my own, and there is no desire to get into a pointless discussion.
                    Regards, Konstantin. hi
        3. 0
          20 July 2019 21: 39
          Quote: Sea Cat
          But the whole series of BTs was riveted not from poverty, but solely according to the general postulate - "Little blood on someone else's territory." With the tracks removed - forward along the beautiful European roads through Berlin straight to Paris.
          They didn’t plan to fight with the caterpillars removed at all, the wheel drive was introduced because the caterpillar resource was scanty, they wanted to drive to the battlefield on wheels so that there would be no caterpillars left. It’s also problematic to get to Berlin: there overhaul, like, after 150 km was required (yes, on a light tank). Therefore, by the way, the tank blitzkrieg performed by the USSR in 1941 was an extremely unlikely event.
          1. Alf
            +2
            20 July 2019 21: 44
            Quote: bk0010
            after 150 km

            After 150 HOURS.
            1. +1
              20 July 2019 21: 46
              Yes? That sounds a lot better. And then when I found out about 150 km - I was in shock, as in general ours fought on such a thing.
              1. Alf
                +1
                20 July 2019 21: 49
                Quote: bk0010
                Yes? That sounds a lot better. And then when I found out about 150 km - I was in shock, as in general ours fought on such a thing.

                And what is interesting. Everywhere it is indicated what "low" mileage our tanks had before MOT, but nowhere is there information about the service life of GERMAN supertanks. It can be seen that the picture is completely bleak.
                1. 0
                  20 July 2019 21: 56
                  Quote: Alf
                  but nowhere is there any information about the motor resources of GERMAN super tanks.


                  Before the start of Operation Barbarosa, the Wehrmacht's tank fleet was prepared as much as possible for its carrying out within three to four months. That's why Guderian grumbled when he was turned from the direction to Moscow, to surround our South-Western Front, as he understood that there would not be enough motor resources to reach Moscow.
                  1. Alf
                    +1
                    20 July 2019 22: 13
                    I saw this sign. Even her compiler was not sure of her veracity.
                2. +1
                  22 July 2019 19: 20
                  Quote: Alf
                  And what is interesting. Everywhere it is indicated what "low" mileage our tanks had before MOT, but nowhere is there information about the service life of GERMAN supertanks. It can be seen that the picture is completely bleak.

                  The motor resources of German tanks can be estimated indirectly - by the growth in requests for engines and spare parts after the Smolensk operation.
          2. +1
            20 July 2019 23: 18
            Yes, even if instead of BTshek we had solid thirty-fours, there could be no blitzkrieg anyway. To carry out such operations, experience is needed, but where to get it, it was. The Germans "trained" for a long time before attacking Russia, and still in the end they lost everything.
        4. +2
          22 July 2019 18: 58
          Quote: Sea Cat
          I don’t remember exactly at what angle the tank was tilted, but this monstrous tower completely wedged.

          It didn’t wedge - the electric drive during the roll simply could not crank the tower. For he was taken from the T-28, whose tower weighed five times less.
      3. +2
        22 July 2019 18: 56
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Contrary to the opinion of Yuri before the military, Klima Voroshilov was riveted like breakthrough tanks.

        No. "KV with a big tower" was an art tank.
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Why does he need a 152mm howitzer? How not to destroy pillboxes and bunkers, concrete gouges, and other disgrace.

        To support the line tanks in the offensive - work on field fortifications, PTO. And also to work in the role of ersatz artillery on the accumulations of the manpower of the enemy, artillery positions and similar purposes in those cases when the regular 152 mm M-10 howitzers were behind on the march (because the GABTU had full information on the tests of artillery tractors in the troops and did not test illusions about the speed of towing artillery of the mechanized corps).
        In fact, they wanted to use the "KV with a large turret" as a hybrid of an assault ACS and an ACS for fire support.
        1. 0
          22 July 2019 21: 34
          Alexey, I mean the same thing!
          1. 0
            23 July 2019 10: 50
            Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Alexey, I mean the same thing!

            Not really. You position the KV-2 as a breakthrough tank. But in reality, he still had to be a fire support tank, replacing artillery.
            1. 0
              23 July 2019 13: 49
              Maybe I didn’t put it right!
              My comment is above!
              . KV-2 is the brainchild of our gloomy genius! Namely, the quasistence of the experience of a Finnish company! The 76 mm cannon coped poorly with the concrete grooves of the Morenheim line!

              In fact, I invested in the concept of a breakthrough tank that its leadership of the Red Army was seen in the offensive, not in defense. His task is to go into a direct shot and destroy the pillbox, bunker, concrete gouges, etc. In historiography, this is precisely what served as the solution for arming the KV-152mm howitzer!
              Yours!
  8. +4
    19 July 2019 23: 24
    It's funny
    There was no Liddel Garth, there was no de Gaulle, there was no Triandafilov, there was no Guderian theorist ...
    Only "tank companies" ... ("Modern humanists do not need to strain their mental abilities, since it is much easier to assume that these ancients lived in the kingdom of stupidity" [Livio Catullo Stekchini]) - Aha!
  9. 0
    20 July 2019 08: 50
    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Sergey, good evening!
    In Soviet times, there was a huge shortage of such information. So how dorval so seized. Knowing my illness books were presented by friends and colleagues! There were incidents. When one and the same encyclopedia was presented at work by friends! Sometimes a “saboteur” was sent to visit before the holiday, but the saboteur could also get into the hole. Sometimes three years in a row !!!
    On the other hand, given that I got a library of 15 items from my parents, and today I have caught up to almost 000, but the military-technical section is lost against the historical one! By the way, my mother has racks in three out of five rooms, in my two out of three, plus a book-wardrobe in the house (shelves in a closet a meter wide from floor to ceiling). Several times I tried to conduct an audit - fortunately for the library and the local orphanage, but did not finish it for ten years!
    I will smile! Many books, too, were poorly searched for for three days by Bulgakov’s child - Master and Margarita!
    Regards, Vlad!

    I envy you for good .... there is time to read, compare, take notes, and so on ... and I'm sorry, I don’t know, but apparently professional activity is connected with this?
  10. +2
    20 July 2019 12: 02
    Quote: Yuri Apukhtin
    This article did not set the goal of researching and disclosing the causes of defeats at the beginning of the war.

    If you did not set such goals, then why are there conclusions at the end of the article? For those parts, there are no complaints - background information of the Wikipedia level. But you must answer for the conclusions, especially for this: "All this was expected after the purges of the" big terror ", everyone saw how the initiative and excessive independence ended, the newly baked commanders were afraid to take personal initiative, fear fettered their actions and the higher-ranking commands issued without taking into account the specific situation, thoughtlessly carried out. "
  11. +1
    20 July 2019 15: 45
    "There were no independent armored forces in the Red Army either; in the form of companies, battalions and regiments, they were included in the staff or attached to reinforce rifle divisions and brigades."
    what nonsense ... then it would be nice for the author to study the history of ABTV Red Army request
    "Another source indicates that by the end of 1937 the Red Army had 4 tank (mechanized) corps, 24 separate light tank brigades and 4 heavy tank brigades."
    "Tanks of the BT series were produced in total 8620,"
    1) For the author - Wiki gives the production of T-26 in the amount of 11218 pieces ...
    2) Another 155 BT-7A were produced
    1. Alf
      +1
      20 July 2019 21: 46
      Quote: ser56
      "There were no independent armored forces in the Red Army either; in the form of companies, battalions and regiments, they were included in the staff or attached to reinforce rifle divisions and brigades."
      what nonsense ... then it would be nice for the author to study the history of ABTV Red Army request
      "Another source indicates that by the end of 1937 the Red Army had 4 tank (mechanized) corps, 24 separate light tank brigades and 4 heavy tank brigades."
      "Tanks of the BT series were produced in total 8620,"
      1) For the author - Wiki gives the production of T-26 in the amount of 11218 pieces ...
      2) Another 155 BT-7A were produced

      If the author here bears such nonsense, I can imagine how he was a tank designer ...
      1. 0
        22 July 2019 11: 55
        Quote: Alf
        I can imagine how he was a tank designer ...

        to design and write several different classes ... request well detailed assemblies ... feel
  12. 0
    23 July 2019 15: 13
    The armor protection was mainly at the 16-30 mm level, only the English Matilda I had 60 mm thick armor, and the T-34 had 45 mm armor with rational tilt angles.

    the author, the French had averages somoma 35, somoma 40 with good armor.
    there were several prototypes with armor from 40 to 60 mm

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