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Defense competitionDeputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin on Thursday took part in the II International Forum "Engineering Technologies - 2012" in Zhukovsky. In his speech, he not only named problems in the domestic defense industry, but also outlined ways to solve them. According to experts, the proposals of the Deputy Prime Minister are as promising as they are costly.

On Thursday, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin spoke at the II International Forum "Engineering Technologies - 2012" in Zhukovsky. His main message was the idea of ​​the need to eliminate monopolism in the field of the military-industrial complex (MIC).

"We must borrow from the French"

Speaking in Zhukovsky, Dmitry Rogozin said that Russia had begun to manufacture domestic matrices for thermal imagers and was experiencing an unprecedented demand for air defense systems.

“Today I was informed that we are switching to the production of our own matrix in the production of thermal imagers. We will do more complex designs. This is something that no one will ever sell to us, ”said the Deputy Prime Minister, quoted by Interfax.

"You know that we have no end to the proposals for the purchase of our air defense systems, the most diverse, and close and long-range battle," - said Rogozin, speaking of the best-selling Russian technology abroad.

In addition, Dmitry Rogozin said that the Russian military-industrial complex is successfully advancing in the creation of new armored vehicles, as well as in areas in which domestic products traditionally lagged behind, for example, optics. Import substitution has already been launched in these areas, he said.

Speaking about the possibility of buying modern technologies abroad, the Deputy Prime Minister said that “if someone thinks that they can sell us modern technology, either they are simply naive or stupid”.

In addition, Rogozin said that Russia in the development of the military-industrial complex should rely on hypersonic technology and the creation of artificial intelligence. “Such tasks should be, for example, the task of creating hypersonic technologies. I hope that in the near future we will really concentrate our efforts on this direction and create a scientific and technical reserve that will allow us to achieve such a breakthrough, ”he said. “We think a lot about new materials, we think about intellect, which should replace manned equipment, be it land, air or sea,” added the Deputy Prime Minister.

According to him, the Russian defense industry must set itself ambitious and promising tasks, which even in the expert community may initially seem fantastic: “We must set ourselves such tasks and not be shy about implementing them,” said Dmitry Rogozin.

Commenting on the statements of the Deputy Prime Minister, Director of the World Trade Analysis Center weapons Igor Korotchenko told the newspaper VIEW that, as practice shows, in the production of arrays for thermal imagers in Russia, it is worth going by borrowing technology from the French. “France is today our closest partner in military-technical cooperation. We are implementing a number of key French developments in the framework of joint ventures. Moreover, it is very important that these are the developments of the national defense complex of France, and the Americans here cannot impose export restrictions on them. In this case, we can agree on technology transfer, including in the field of optoelectronics, implementation already on the basis of Russian factories. Obviously, Rogozin talked about getting promising Western technologies, ”Korotchenko explained.

The expert noted that with regard to the development of hypersonic technology, this is a really important area, but very expensive.

“This is an important direction, especially considering that in the USA and other Western countries, technologies for creating hypersonic impact aircraft and weapons are actively developing. In Russia, there is a corresponding backlog of tactical missile corporations to create promising tactical class missile systems based on hypersonic technology. Hypersound is a promising direction, but costly in terms of investment. Therefore, only with state support and appropriate funding can one develop the designated direction, ”Korotchenko warned, adding that the implementation of hypersound technology pulls along a number of related issues (materials science, the creation of highly durable coatings — metal with new properties).

"Kill monopoly as a class"

During his speech at the International Forum, Dmitry Rogozin noted that he was in favor of integrating private business into the defense industry in order to eliminate monopolism. “The monopolist must be killed as a class, shot by economic methods,” he said resolutely.

According to Rogozin, on June 29, the government will host a meeting of the military-industrial commission, at which the Council for Public-Private Partnership will be formed. “Its Minister for Relations with the Open Government, Mikhail Abyzov, will be headed by a new member of the military-industrial commission. We will include representatives of private business in this council who will have access to defense technologies and the defense industry in the part that our specificity and confidentiality allows, ”Rogozin promised.

The Deputy Prime Minister explained that the deep integration of private business in the defense industry is directed against monopolism in this industry. “I think that after a while, by the end of the year, a new machine of economic resistance to monopolism will work,” he added.

Rogozin also said that Russian President Vladimir Putin will soon hold a series of meetings on the implementation of the state defense order. “They will take place in the coming days,” the Deputy Prime Minister announced.

According to Dmitry Rogozin, the Russian president decided to hold a series of meetings on the execution of state defense orders, similar to the one that recently took place in Krasnodar on the purchase of military equipment for the Air Force. “Now we are preparing similar meetings in other areas,” he noted.

Recall, on the eve of Vladimir Putin said the need to restore the system of military acceptance. “Acceptance was eliminated as a class. This is bad. It needs to be restored. Without an efficiently functioning, functioning military acceptance system, we have big problems with the quality of military equipment, ”said Putin.

“In Russia, a number of defense industries, which simply have no analogues, so their monopoly is objectively inevitable. For example, the development and production of strategic solid-propellant ballistic missiles. This is done only by the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering, and the only site where such missiles are made is the Votkinsk plant in Udmurtia. The same applies to nuclear submarines. Sevmash is the only enterprise for their production. Therefore, with all we wish, we can not repurpose and develop competition. In addition, in some cases the existence of monopoly is explained historically, it is inevitable. Russia simply cannot afford to build duplicate defense productions, ”said Igor Korotchenko on this matter.

According to experts, monopolization has affected and tank technicians. Their main production is concentrated on Uralvagonzavod, there was still an Omsk plant, but it was redesigned and closed due to the fact that the demand for T-80 tanks was lower compared to the demand for T-90 tanks.

“At the same time, I believe that competition should be developed at the project level as part of the development of the fifth generation fighter. There was a competition. The Department of Defense has chosen between the proposals of the two developers. As a result, Sukhoi Company won. Accordingly, today all efforts are being thrown to ensure that it is the development of this company that goes ahead of fighter prospects aviation. Competition at the project level is a normal and useful thing, ”said Korotchenko.

According to him, with regard to admission to the defense of private companies, in Russia there are examples of their successful work. “A private company cannot afford to be the owner of huge defense plants. Most likely, private companies can be demanded precisely in the segment of innovative developments. There are several electronic companies in Zelenograd that are ready to produce at the level of defense high-tech, to provide developments that will then be breakthrough among world analogues, ”said the expert.

In the subject of the state defense order, Korotchenko noted the problem associated mainly with pricing. “The problem of the state defense order is mainly related to pricing points. The policy of the Ministry of Defense is to enter into contracts subject to full transparency of the reasonableness of the price from the industry. This is necessary in order to eliminate cheating, ”he explained.

The expert noted that the transition to three- and five-year contracts is currently underway, and even if at first some delays are inevitable on the way to agreeing prices, within the framework of the terms of the contracts, the backlog will be compensated in subsequent years. “In general, I can say that Dmitry Rogozin works very actively and offensively, professionally. He takes care of the military-industrial complex and does a lot to ensure that new forms and methods of work come into the Russian defense industry, ”concluded Igor Korotchenko.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 3 July 2012 11: 24
    +5
    Something I did not understand about monopolies. Sevmash is really a monopoly, if you shoot him with economic methods, that's all, krants. And then, that all the plants left the defense industry of their own free will, there are no orders, so they dumped it. The devil himself will break his leg, what is happening in our kingdom.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 3 July 2012 12: 14
      +2
      Even the experience of posting battleships in the Baltic (state-owned shipyards) and the Black Sea - a private society (1 World War on the nose) showed that in the second case, the cost of 1 ship was at least 50% higher. This is the question of "economic methods".
      "Private enterprises were also interested in obtaining funds for the construction of the fleet. They launched an offensive against state-owned factories, seeking to seize their hands not only the construction of light ships, but also battleships. An example of this has already been - the state-owned Nikolaev Admiralty was leased to the private plant" Russud "on the Black Sea." tortuga.angarsk.su
    2. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 3 July 2012 14: 09
      +2
      Yes, I have not heard such nonsense about monopolies and competition for a long time. In fact, competition is needed only with poor management of the country's economy and disgusting planning. Why the heck to keep an excessive number of factories making similar products? We do not have many resources for such luxury. it’s more logical to lower a clear state plan, how many tanks are needed, and how many and which planes. But at the same time, the responsibility for decisions lies directly with the government of the country, and our lipiles are afraid of responsibility like fire. And so in a mess you can always attribute the failures in industry to the invisible hand of the market and the change in the external contour of the market, and it sounds beautiful and no one will think that you are a fool who is not capable of competently managing!
      1. Joker
        Joker 3 July 2012 19: 05
        +1
        Why is competition needed? But then, in order for us to have such rifles as Orsis in our army, Izhmash does not do anything new, and no one takes seriously others, although there are better developments, they only test the AK-12, and AEK was introduced for a long time, which by its characteristics better than AK and if you now give out money for its modernization, then the output could have turned out to be a headless machine higher than AK-12. It’s the same with regards to equipment, who developed it and where it is not clear, because there is a survival corps that produces the whole range of equipment in its patented colors, why not expand their production? In your beloved USA, there is generally a mountain of private firms that compete with each other, which is why their equipment is excellent when they take something into service then they announce a tender and their companies are already competing with each other. Due to the fact that we do not have competition, the cost of our equipment is almost the same as the American one, only the quality of the American times in 2 is better, we also buy from China. Competition is always needed, it is the engine of progress, it won’t be there, and we will buy up the technology for the rest of our lives, although we ourselves have everything, it’s only created by small firms, and therefore it is not held in high esteem.
  2. vadimus
    vadimus 3 July 2012 11: 27
    0
    We must make a breakthrough! You can’t lag behind for a long time, jackals will eat!
  3. dark_sp
    dark_sp 3 July 2012 11: 43
    0
    experiencing an unprecedented demand for air defense systems. -Who would doubt Dmitry Rogozin after such an advertisement from America and especially Turkey, if he doubted that our air defense would not be in demand.
  4. dark_sp
    dark_sp 3 July 2012 11: 44
    +2
    experiencing an unprecedented demand for air defense systems. -Who would doubt Dmitry Rogozin after such an advertisement from America and especially Turkey, who would doubt that our air defense would not be in demand.
  5. 1d6e6d9
    1d6e6d9 3 July 2012 11: 49
    0
    Apparently, what is happening at Barnaultransmash is the fight against monopoly. The only plant for the production of engines for light armored vehicles is systematically and purposefully destroyed. The newest machines of the early 90s, abbreviations, people in the management are very "elastic" they wanted to spit on everything and everyone. Despite the fact that the plant has a huge backlog of developments from the management of Russian machines, commands are received to not sound and work on 32 and 72 machines. Chelyabinsk cars are not even close. And there is even nothing to say about Yaroslavl, although most likely they will go to "Kurganets" Money will do their job, neither the Motherland nor the flag. Sorry for the enterprise. The plant is still working not because it is necessary, but in spite of the circumstances.
  6. Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx 3 July 2012 11: 59
    0
    Blah blah blah blah blah blah
    Conversations ... Where are you?
    There is no end to orders?
    And when will we build for ourselves?
    After all, only Moscow is covered,
    And what? Hana?
    1. wall
      wall 3 July 2012 12: 14
      +1
      The elite is protected. The country can sleep peacefully.
      1. Teploteh - nick
        Teploteh - nick 3 July 2012 16: 39
        +1
        As one oligarch once said am Comrade Prokhorova am - well, there will be a war, well, they will kill 60 million - they will still give birth. Type does not need 20 trillion. spend on the defense industry.
        I would personally cut this ****** into small pieces. am
        Quote: Vladimir Putin said the need to restore the military acceptance system - this is the Case !!!
        Quote: we have no end to the proposals for the procurement of our air defense systems, the most diverse, and close and long-range combat - THIS IS FUN!
        Quote: Russia in the development of the military-industrial complex must rely on hypersonic technologies and the creation of artificial intelligence - THIS IS CORRECT !!!
        Rogozin - the head is what you need! And Putin is a man what you need! So everything will be fine with us !!! The main thing is that the work goes and goes in the right direction. good
  7. anchonsha
    anchonsha 3 July 2012 12: 10
    0
    We still have to achieve a lot on our own, as new technologies bring new money and no one intends to give technologies easily. Only a reliable barrier is still needed from dishonest officials and traitors ... How much money goes to the side as a result of dishonest deals ... And this is revealed only when it is too late to take measures ....
  8. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 3 July 2012 15: 01
    0
    Without monopolism, the military-industrial complex will fail; some projects cannot be pulled without the power of a corporate system ...
  9. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 3 July 2012 19: 28
    +1
    Teploteh - nick,

    Quote: Teploteh - nick
    Vladimir Putin announced the need to restore the military acceptance system - this is the Case !!!


    Interested in: who destroyed the military tricks?
  10. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 3 July 2012 21: 54
    0
    According to him, the Russian defense industry must set itself ambitious and promising tasks, which even in the expert community may initially seem fantastic: “We must set ourselves such tasks and not be shy about implementing them,” said Dmitry Rogozin.
    The only real way to achieve world-class weapons production.
  11. vvvvv
    vvvvv 4 July 2012 03: 43
    0
    And this progress is quite bad:
    http://warfiles.ru/show-9464-f-35-podtverdil-svoi-pro-sposobnosti.html
    Together with Aegis, other echelons of missile defense and weapons, it can give the United States the illusion of at least "acceptable damage" already literally today ...
  12. Magadan
    Magadan 4 July 2012 04: 40
    +1
    ShturmKGB
    Without monopolism, the military-industrial complex will fail; some projects cannot be pulled without the power of a corporate system ...

    Correctly! But I don’t understand, they don’t realize that one factory producing a billion cartridges will produce each individual cartridge is cheaperthan ten manufacturers for one hundred million rounds!
    Are they lacking in competition? And what about foreign markets than competition?
    They are all smart there, they do not want to just stupidly admit the obvious fact that it was better than in the USSR no one had military industry! Judge for yourself - we were several times less than NATO members, and money is an order of magnitude less than that of NATO countries. But for some reason, our (Soviet) weapons turned out to be both better and cheaper than those of the currently praised private defense companies of the West !!!
    It would be such a question to ask Rogozhin: how can you prove by facts the superiority of private enterprises of the military-industrial complex (with competition) over state factories of the military-industrial complex of the USSR (monopolists)? NATO countries spent tens of times more on defense and didn’t produce anything equal to our weapons (price-quality criteria)! The same air defense that Rogozhin boasts is developed in the USSR!
    In short, there is a complete brain deficit along with all the other leaders! Everything, damn it, philosophize, they write different little schemes, but they simply don’t see the obvious facts! The Soviet military-industrial complex versus the western military-industrial complex - what could be even more obvious ?! The guys generally do not recognize the truth that everything needs to be evaluated according to a specific result! Where is the result of the Western defense industry, which Rogozhin was going to copy? !!!!
  13. mind1954
    mind1954 4 July 2012 05: 01
    0
    How is this no competition? And the USA, NATO, CHINA, JAPAN and DR. ??? !!!
    Under the USSR, it was possible to breed competition between firms,
    there everything was taken from one boiler and everything was "put" into one boiler !!!
    It was a healthy creative competition, I myself was a participant!

    And what this dura.ok offers will be a sawing competition!