China is waiting for the decision to sell Motor Sich

Beijing-based investment company that specializes in investing in aviation industry, resumed attempts to acquire a stake in a Ukrainian engine company. The relevant application is considered by the Ukrainian antitrust authority. This was reported by the Global Times.

The Ukrainian company that created the engines for the world's largest transport aircraft, the An-225, can help China in its quest to increase its assets in the aircraft industry. Skyrizon, also known as Beijing Tianjiao Aviation Industry Investment Company, is awaiting the outcome of the evaluation of the Anti-Monopoly Committee of the Independent Square. He is expected to become known after July 22.

The new application was submitted to the relevant state agency 7 June. It is planned that Skyrizon will withdraw more than 50 percent of Motor Sich. The interest of the People's Republic of China to this enterprise is due to the fact that 13 types and more than 1200 units of aircraft engines manufactured by Motor Sich are operated in China.

At the same time, the United States expresses its dissatisfaction with a possible deal, believing that it carries risks for national security. However, for a Ukrainian company, the sale of its assets makes it possible to expand its presence in the PRC, especially in the face of the loss of the Russian market. For Beijing, the deal is a way to increase competence in the production of aircraft engines, which, according to an anonymous military expert, are lagging behind the world level.

Comments

[Grits]

This is how the Soviet legacy goes away in other countries. But for us it is not fun at all. Motor Sich was not built by Bandera, in order to sell or donate it. It was built by the entire Soviet Union, but mostly by the Russian people who still live there. And his trouble is that he was in Ukraine. Now the plant will leave the Chinese for nothing.

[Uncle lee]

The Banderaites sold a lot for a song to China and to other "our partners" from the Soviet legacy. This is called Chubais capitalism!

[Mestny]

Why precisely according to Chubais?
Rather, then, really, according to Yeltsin, or according to Gorbachev.
Both, by the way, are real communists.

[Uncle lee]

Let's not talk about "real and imaginary" ... And Chubais was appointed by the CIA as the chief for the collapse of industry. Which he did. And in Ukraine, everything went according to the well-established scenario.

[Amurets]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Let's not talk about "real and imaginary" ...

Let them not argue who is better or worse: "In the Mexican state of Morelos, the newly transported and rebuilt ZIL plant, which previously occupied vast areas in Moscow, was successfully launched ... At first, the Mexican enterprise will produce trucks and truck tractors for based on the base of the classic ZIL-130 and ZIL-4331.
“I think Russia is a very rich country,” says Morris Garcia, head of the Mexican plant ZIL. “They sold us for little money practically everything we need to establish a full cycle of truck production. Back in 2004, we learned that they were ready to sell the plant, we didn’t believe it - after all, it was fully operational, there was reliable Soviet equipment that would work for another half a century. They gave us a price that we didn't believe at first. Then we sent our representatives and the Russians confirmed that this is the real price. We are incredibly lucky. "" Https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5c10e2286f88d200aae67c07/zavod-zil-uspeshno-perezapustili-v-meksike-5d18829e946cc100ae72b23d
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5c10e2286f88d200aae67c07/zavod-zil-uspeshno-perezapustili-v-meksike-5d18829e946cc100ae72b23d

[gfs84]

"In the Mexican state of Morelos, a successful launch of the transported and rebuilt ZIL plant, which previously occupied vast areas in Moscow, took place ... At first, the Mexican enterprise will produce trucks and truck tractors based on the classic ZIL-130 and ZIL-4331.

It would be more impressive to give a link to the "star" - https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/2019761634-Sa4DR.html

And it is more correct to check the original source (satirical) news - https://panorama.pub/20246-zavod-zil.html

[Gabriel]

Feikomet rolls over!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Amurets

In the Mexican state of Morelos, the launch of the transported and rebuilt ZIL plant, which previously occupied vast areas in Moscow, was successfully held .....

No need to distribute fakes reprinted from satirical sites.

All is good, let the Mexicans use the Soviet truck. But the news is overshadowed by the fact that it was taken for some reason on a serious satirical resource: There are a couple of popular sites on the Internet, where it says in small print that they are satirical and the information on them has no relation to reality, but modern media is now so lazy that get information from YouTube, LJ, social networks without lifting a fifth point from the spot. And what is convenient. Do not travel, expenses and information of the sea. Only now, no one thinks to check it and give stories for reality.
Source: https://fishki.net/3025552-razoblachaem-zil-130-nachali-proizvodity-v-meksike.html © Fishki.net

Source - Satirical publication "Panorama". All texts of the IA "Panorama" are grotesque parodies of reality, are fiction and are not real news. Be carefull.

The trade union of workers of the plant denied this information, noting in particular that the ZIL-130 models have not been produced for a long time, and as an illustration to the widespread news, a photo of the workshop was used, taken back in the 90s.
ZIL also stressed that no rights to manufacture trucks in Meschica were transferred. https://auto.rambler.ru/other/42456275/?utm_content=rauto&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

[New Year day]

Quote: Amurets

“I think Russia is a very rich country,” says Morris Garcia, head of the Mexican ZIL plant. “They sold us for a small amount of money almost everything needed to establish the full cycle of truck production.

Yes, Russia is a generous soul. Plants are not needed, only entertainment. Walk and trade, work is not necessary.

Park on the site of ZIL

Ice Palace on the site of ZIL

Passing by: look sick, just having fun, eat and walk. Work on the fig! Simple Muscovites there can not afford, the owners of life are walking.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Silvestr

look sick, just having fun, eat and walk. Work on the fig!

To me this, as a former collector of ZiL, is like a knife to the heart. ZiL specialists built a car factory in China, similar to ZiS, which is successfully developing, being completely state-owned.

[Astronaut]

look sick, just having fun, eat and walk.

So if you feel sick, take power into your own hands and do it right!

[silverwolf88]

well, if truth of life ... then this is a chain of sequential actions of the uprooted Trotskyism Kuusinen / Pivtoranov / Khrushchev / Andropov / Primakov ... Austrian school and St. Petersburg economic club from where Chubais and Venerable Siluanovs and other Gaidar trash
hump and Yeltsin just a screen ... so cormorants in power ...

[Sergey1987]

Quote from Uncle Lee

And Chubais was appointed by the CIA GOSTarshim

Did you personally attend the appointment?

[Uncle lee]

Even Putin confirmed that Chubais was in command of the CIA .... And I survived the Chubais-Gaidar intruding into the market.

[Sergey1987]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Even Putin confirmed that Chubais was in command of the CIA .... And I survived the Chubais-Gaidar intruding into the market.

Ssylochku throw off where he says it. He spoke in 2013 about the fact that CIA employees worked in Chubais's entourage.

[Rimlianin]

What are you holding a candle? I am not a supporter of Chubais at all, but such peremptory judgments are surprising.

[Stas157]

Quote: Mestny

Why precisely according to Chubais?
Rather, then, really, according to Yeltsin, or according to Gorbachev.
Both, by the way real communists.

Their successor and follower, Putin, is also a communist. But I would argue that they real communists. After all, they all betrayed the ideals of communism and turned exactly 180 degrees.

[AU Ivanov.]

At one time there was such a snowblower. She raked the snow towards herself with her paws and sent it to the back of a dump truck along a conveyor. The people gave her a well-aimed "Communist" chase. For grabbing paws.

[lis-ik]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

The people gave her a well-aimed "Communist" chase. For grabbing paws.

The people gave her the nickname "greedy", I hear about a communist for the first time.

[Avalex]

Golden Pens

[Sergey1987]

Quote: Stas157

After all, they all betrayed the ideals of communism and turned exactly 180 degrees.

Just like the entire party elite, and Komsomol members, and probably you yourself.

[Stas157]

Quote: Sergey1987

Just like the entire party elite, and Komsomol members, and probably you yourself.

Yes, I was lucky, I had time. I was once a member of the Komsomol, but until now I have not betrayed my political views, like some opportunistic "comrades".

[Sergey1987]

Quote: Stas157

Yes, I was lucky, I had time. I was once a member of the Komsomol, but until now I have not betrayed my political views, like some opportunistic "comrades".

So what then in 91-ohm to protect the existing system did not come out?

[Stas157]

Quote: Sergey1987

So what then in 91-ohm to protect the existing system did not come out?

So no one in the circle at once understood that the Union was no more and capitalism began. If you lived then it must be remembered. For all watched on TV. And everyone naively thought that the CIS is a continuation of the USSR. At least so reported on TV. Then people still unconditionally believed what they showed. Indeed, in the USSR there were not so many lies.

[Sergey1987]

Quote: Stas157

So no one in the circle at once understood that the Union was no more and capitalism began.

Even if communism began, that's not the point. It was necessary to understand that the country is falling apart. Many then for the EBN people went to the tanks. And why, when the people found out about the signing of the agreement of three freaks, didn’t go out into the streets? When did other flags start to raise and proclaim independence?

Quote: Stas157

If you lived then it must be remembered.

I then 4 year was.

Quote: Stas157

Indeed, in the USSR there were not so many lies.

Joke? Everywhere, always, in the whole world, at all times lies are complete. And the USSR began with false slogans

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mestny

Both, by the way, are real communists.

By the way, Putin did not pass the same membership card.
According to the article - the Chinese are handsome, inevitably go towards their goals. I plan to start releasing "Mriya" at the end of the year. Only here they will not always be "friends" to us.

[syndicalist]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Putin, incidentally, the same membership card did not pass

And Chubais too

[Igoresha]

Only here they will not always be "friends" to us.

and correctly, where it has been seen that the industrious and idle parasites are friends.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Ingvar 72

According to the article - handsome Chinese, inevitably go to their goals

On Auvers, not so long ago there was an article that the Chinese buy it companies in Russia

[Romario_Argo]

Why precisely according to Chubais?

rather by Gaidar. this type, too, was naughty, that until now we cannot restore everything

[Same lech]

Alas much was built at the expense of Russia not only in Ukraine but practically across its outskirts by investing the enormous resources of Russia and its people in support of the periphery of the neighboring republics ... and now we are reaping the benefits of this short-sighted policy of those in power.

[ProkletyiPirat]

And the funny thing is that not only did they build "there" at their own expense, they also developed "separatism" there at their own expense in the form of support for local languages ​​\ customs \ traditions, and now we wonder why in the same Kazakhstan they switch to the Latin alphabet .. ...

[tihonmarine]

Use your tongue less, otherwise you will get a red square with a XNUMX inside, like mine.

[ProkletyiPirat]

In honor of what? Yes, and you have no warning.

[Semurg]

Russia is already like 30 years ago threw off the ballast according to your words in the form of the other republics. What prevented you from building a heaven on earth this time? or at least something like a country at the level of Canada or Australia with similar economies based on the sale of resources. Well, yes, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Chubais, and soon Putin, and maybe the world Masonic conspiracy or the aliens with Nubiru. Recently there was material about the war in the Balkans and there in the comments excerpts from the memories of the participants in those campaigns. So there they are surprised at the level of life of the oppressed Bulgarians there compared with the Russian standard of living.

[Felix99]

To build the economy of Canada and Australia, you need to get rid of about 60% of the population, which for years 30 has resisted such optimization. But with the help of health care reform and pension reform this becomes possible.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Semurg

What prevented you so skillful

There is no heaven on earth in either Australia or Canada, which built it not with 30, but much more than a few years.
The absence of "ballast" (including) in the form of separate new formations helps Russia to maintain its sovereignty under the sanctions and to be such a state where many and many citizens from the former Soviet republics seek to go to work and live. In which, by the way, there is a much greater distance to "paradise" than in the Russian Federation, despite its size, the presence of remote territories, the need to bear significant military expenses, etc.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Alekseev

where many and many citizens of the former Soviet republics go to work and live.

Semurg something is not committed. And the tractor plant from Canada to Russia is not transferred due to cheaper electricity in Canada and more favorable taxes. Do we need all these Kyrgyz Armenians?

[Pivot]

The Buhler tractor factory doesn’t tolerate it, because Rostselmash has plans to enter the North American market, and it makes no sense to transfer more compact production now around 50% growth of selmash, you can calmly place the tractor plant there more modern than in Canada, and even add a couple of productions if need be.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Pivot

Buhler Tractor Works does not tolerate, because Rostselmash has plans to enter the North American market, and it makes no sense to transfer production now

The businessman gave a complete breakdown, which was clearly not in favor of Russia. 1. The average salary of a highly skilled worker (welder or assembler) in Rostov-on-Don is 67-69% of the salary of a Canadian worker in Winnipeg. But at the same time in Canada 3,5 times less payment to the pension fund and 2 times lower fees in social insurance. In fact, on 1 ruble wages in Russia, you must pay taxes on 81 a penny, and in Canada, the entire 72 penny. In addition, in Canada, the value-added tax is 12% (against 18% in Russia). 2. Electricity tariffs in Canada for industrial enterprises are about 1,7 rubles per kW ($ 0,055). In Russia - 2,2 times higher - 3,7 rubles. That is, the costs of a tractor factory for electricity when it is transferred to Russia will increase by $ 2,1 million 3. Growth in the cost of shipping a similar production in Russia will be $ 4,2 million, and taking into account the cost of paying for services of natural monopolies - will be $ 5,6 million per year. 4. The key factor in business development is the cost of loans. In Canada, interest rates on loans in 5,1 times less. For a Canadian and Russian tractor plant, the difference is $ 14,4 million (3,5 million against 17,9 million). 5. The biggest article is taxes. The plant, located in Winnipeg, pays taxes on $ 26,1 million less than its equivalent in Rostov. 6. Even the cost of protecting the plant in the Rostov region will be about $ 1,05 million per year, which is $ 0,898 million higher than it is now at a Canadian enterprise. To protect the plant in Winnipeg, 4 man is used, and for the protection of the Russian plant you need - 150. In addition, Babkin gave examples of strong state support for manufacturers in Canada, in particular, various programs to compensate for the costs of energy saving, the development of innovations, investments in staff training and much more. Of the Russian advantages, a businessman allocates only lower wages for workers and the cost of gas, the difference in which is no longer so obvious.

Details on: http://dos-news.com/lenta_novostei/vladelec-rostselmasha-na-palcax-rasskazal-putinu-pochemu-importozameshhenie-nevozmozhno.html

Should I add about the tax increase?

[Pivot]

Well, not every word needs to be believed, I also work for a foreign manufacturer of construction and agricultural machines, and we still started the production of loader excavators in Russia and now we will start the production of telescopic loaders, our management met with GDP and agreed on everything, our state has excellent support programs produced in Russia, for example 14 / 32, thanks to this program, in particular Rostselmash and PTZ, began to feel very good and there are several of these programs. So, nothing prevents the Rostovites from producing a tractor in Russia, they simply do not want to do it for their money, but beg for money from the budget, and from Canada they will not clean anything there they have, by the way, three plants, besides tractors, another plant of sprayers and more trailed implements, The North American market is very important, and indeed all export rostselmash equipment is sold by the Versatile brand sweat on export markets, it is easier to enter under a foreign brand than under ours, and you need a factory in Canada, and the main profit comes from sales of combines, from tractors and the rest of the Canadian factories there barely 20% profit is gained.

[Avalex]

Do you personally know what taxes and to what extent you have to pay in Russia? I have other data here, including taxes in Canada

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Avalex

Do you personally know what taxes and to what extent you have to pay in Russia?

Not really.

Quote: Avalex

I have other data here, including taxes in Canada

Quote: Mordvin 3

The businessman gave a full alignment, which was clearly not in Russia's favor. 1. The average salary of a highly skilled worker ...

This is a written answer on the Internet to Putin from the chairman of the board of directors of Rosagromash Babkin to the question why they are not transferring production to Russia. I see no reason not to believe. And if Babkin or someone else there lied, then let them go to court.

[Semurg]

Russia has existed for about 300 years at least. Canada and Australia for about a hundred years, so who had more time to build a state with a decent standard of living. Well, they are actively going to France and England from their former colonies, and by the way, Central Asians work for you and do not hang on social services and benefits, as in the English people from their former colonies. And one more point for all economists, an increase in population is a boon for a sparsely populated country, and you present it as a disaster and advocate a decrease in this number several times to obtain a standard of living, such as in Australia. By the way, about five years ago, they wrote that sanctions are a blessing for the Russian economy, and now write that the thrown off "ballast" helps you survive under the sanctions, so changing shoes in the air is counted

[Greenwood]

Quote: Semurg

Russia exists around the 300 years at least.

Where does this figure come from? From the ceiling?

[Semurg]

From the basement of the road, or rather from the emperor Peter 1. And a particular niggle to get away from the bottom line is counted as successful.

[yehat]

in 1914, Nikolai began to finish his empire
in February 1917 bourgeoisie destroyed everything that remained
in October, the 1917 communists came to the ruins instead of the country and began to build anew in 20, after a hard civil war
and in 1945 they started building Hitler again.
and in 1991, the bourgeois again began to nullify what was.
With Putin in 2000, the next serious guys came - not the Communists anymore, but the new recidivist feudal lords and began to build again, only the already feudal-fragmented 800-old Russia with the same miserable economy.
What "300 years" are you trying to get into here?
we will soon have a new Tatar sorry NATO invasion and the story will finally get stuck.

[Igoresha]

Assad has thrown off the ballast as you say in the form of the other republics

the crocodile is not caught, the coconut does not grow (c)

[vladcub]

More than short-sighted, but in other you know what kind of policy it was

[siberalt]

This plant is not needed by the Chinese in nature. Copy the production technology and scrape off the same Ukrainians for scrap.

[knn54]

Oleg, there is one nuance: "Motor Sich" is a mass production of technologies owned by ZMKB "Progress", which is part of "Ukroboronprom". Sale of shares / products - commerce. And the sale of technologies that are used in the field of defense is a matter of national security. And the PRC needs EXACTLY technology, not finished products.

[rayruav]

Nikolay, calm down, they had already sold out all (and even more so Soviet) technologies already long ago, and for which shishi they are still afloat because of special orders the cat cried

[mark1]

Yes, we are the better! RUSAL bye-bye, GAZ-get ready! And before that, the Perm engines under the Americans were and Miles barely tore back.

[rayruav]

but it’s not customary to speak loudly about it, to slander the Soviet past is yes, the holy business Gundyaev blessed

[Runoway]

But for us it is not fun at all. Motor Sich was not built by Bandera, to sell it or give

Without remembering Borya, it was 20 years to return everything that was scattered in the 91st, at that time still in the fraternal state under the leadership of "our" Yanukovych. But instead, they were only engaged in the development of the gas station country, allowing the Saxons to develop anti-Russian srach in neighboring states, and as a result of 20 years of work, the neighbors are doing live on air what we have banned by the recent law "oskarbivanie power" and the last kopecks were taken from pensioners

[rayruav]

and we do not know that who owns say Rosneft did not grow at all and British Petroleum

[Runoway]

An interesting fact is that Rosneft bought out the assets of BP, but Robert Dudley remained as it was, it seemed as if they had allocated money from the budget, divided it and simply renamed what it was.
Everyone loves hacking Sechin, but there are a lot of more interesting characters here, check out the board of directors of the state company

[rayruav]

I believe that this is not an exception but our cruel reality, but people are praying on Putin

[Sancho_SP]

I do not see anything wrong. Taxes to the budget Rosneft pays much more than dividends to shareholders.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Gritsa

Now the plant will leave the Chinese for nothing.

The trouble is not even that the plant will go for nothing, it's half the trouble. The trouble is that knowledge will go away, or as they are called, know-how.
Koreans have raised their rocket science from a similar source, but this is only the United States an extra hole in the head.
And now the Chinese will rise in the aircraft engine industry. It will be a serious competitor in the market. And not the United States or the EU, but to us.

[TermNachTer]

The Chinese are climbing the plant. A large delegation from Chongqing, where a joint venture is being built, led by deputy mayor Du Tao, came this morning. There was this billionaire Wang Jin, who wants to invest money in the plant. What liked the most was the billionaire jumping in front of the deputy mayor on his hind legs.

[Egor53]

It's sad. But let it be better to go to the Chinese than remain with Bandera.

[DeusExMachina]

And the Chinese are great. In time they come to this. Now they are still mocked at them, but then they will have no time for laughter, because they have the opportunity to develop technologies left over from the Union.

[capsid]

Let goes on development, but not on bankruptcy

[Victor_B]

China come - order!

I do not know, we will need those engines (already being Chinese) or completely import replacing.
I understand that the Chinese do not care about the Ukrainian sanctions against Russia.
Just make and sell to us. If we wish to buy.

[comradChe]

And where will we get to, from the "submarine" then? Or maybe with a “left turn” and “to take a breath of air” to the surface? Eh? Steering, you say, deaf, and we are all like "galley slaves"? Well, if nothing can be done, then we row further ...

[Victor_B]

Quote: comradChe

And where will we get to, from the "submarine" then? Or maybe with a “left turn” and “to take a breath of air” to the surface? Eh? Steering, you say, deaf, and we are all like "galley slaves"? Well, if nothing can be done, then we row further ...

What is this stream of consciousness about?
Maybe I'm stupid?
Or not me?

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Victor_B

the Chinese do not care about the Ukrainian sanctions against Russia.
Just make and sell to us.

First of all, they will sell to former buyers of Ukraine and the Russian Federation. Those. will sell not to us, but instead of us, since know-how of the former Soviet Union and Ukraine will serve to improve the quality of the Chinese counterparts of Russian engines.

[TermNachTer]

Well, the engines for the joint heavy helicopter, which is made instead of Mi-6, 26, will be made by Motor, an updated version of the D - 136

[Tibidokh]

according to an anonymous military expert

Gorgeous completion of the article!
Type, - And you can refer to you?
- No, you, my wife should not know that I am a military expert!
Or
- No way, I'm from the army Kosh!

[rotmistr60]

It is too late to grieve over what was built in the USSR by joint efforts. "Nezalezhnaya" Ukraine for 27 years has sold a lot and gave away a lot of Soviet secrets.

waiting for the evaluation result of the Antimonopoly Committee of

Pure formality, because kickbacks appear to be the right people already made. Therefore, without waiting for 22.07. Chinese can be congratulated with the acquisition of a controlling stake.

[Alexander Petrov1]

What nonsense was it to build strategic and highly technological productions (tank, aviation, rocket, diesel and turbine plants) not in the RSFSR and now we are reaping the benefits and have already lost and will lose hundreds of billions of dollars on this !?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

What nonsense was it to build strategic and highly technological productions (tank, aviation, rocket, diesel and turbine plants) not in the RSFSR and now we are reaping the benefits and have already lost and will lose hundreds of billions of dollars on this !?

No one in a nightmare could have foreseen the destruction of the USSR-empire .. The more hostility between Ukraine and Russia ...

[Alexander Petrov1]

Not a single Empire of the world built a strategic, highly intellectual production outside its center and now no one is building, neither the United States nor the European Union are doing the right thing, they want to leave everyone dependent on them and earn hundreds of billions of dollars from it, and as for Ukraine and others republics it was enough to develop tourism and agriculture, fishing and that would be enough for a poor life.

[Felix99]

And how are things going in Nizhny Tagil? Not a bankruptcy of a working factory occupied by 100% defense order? How are you doing in Roscosmos? Do not disperse plants and KB? This is capitalism!

[Alexander Petrov1]

Well, now the Chinese will buy Ukrainian factories will produce large planes (100 tons and above) and even more of our plants (for example, Ilyushin) will suffer huge losses and exports will lose, minus is certainly good, but the truth is more expensive.

[AU Ivanov.]

What was nonsense to create national republics? Mina under power was laid back in the year 1922.

[Alexander Petrov1]

It was necessary to do as it is now the autonomous republics in Soviet Russia without the right of withdrawal, that is, not the union, but as now the federation and everything.

[AU Ivanov.]

We had to leave the province. Revel, Poltava, Kiev, Bessarabian. And no federations.

[Alexander Petrov1]

So of course it would have been better, but they would hardly have agreed to this, but it was possible to discuss it.

[strannik1985]

Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Don Republic Krasnova, Crimea Wrangel, FER, the separatist formations in Central Asia and the North Caucasus, the lack of a formal status did not prevent the separatists.

[syndicalist]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

What was nonsense

Matter of course - our fathers were completely fools, unlike us-perceivers

[Alexander Petrov1]

Even recently on the forum, Vladimir Vladimirovich spoke about this, that it was not reasonable to do it under the USSR Constitution with the right of withdrawal, so they came out with high-tech industries and squandered or sold for a penny all the secrets and technologies ...

[armata_armata]

Let them copy, even though the legacy of the USSR, at least not disappear and will continue to develop

[evgen1221]

Well, considering that they need TA and technology with specials, too, then there is something to try, while garbage horses are suffering, we must take.

[Magic archer]

It remains good to sell land and organs to give and consider such a state Ukraine to end ... And the words in the anthem just could not be frozen could be easily changed to more believable

[Hokunin]

when ukruina was a part of the Russian sphere of influence, it was independent and sold everything to the Chinese, even the North Koreans, and so on. But now she is a little more than a completely natural slave of the United States. So the Chinese do not shine anything 100%.

[Igoresha]

So the Chinese do not shine anything 100%.

need to take note

[syndicalist]

Quote: Hokunin

So the Chinese do not shine anything 100%.

It is the Chinese and right now that "shines" much more. The truth is by no means on the part of Ukraine.

[Ros 56]

This is how you should be a brain-wit and how to hate your past so that for a pittance you can give away what your grandfathers and parents created. In the place of normal Ukrainians, I would just drive all the banderlogovs behind the fence under the machine guns just in case and do there what you want with each other.

[Igoresha]

This is how you have to be a brainman

reconsider the ruins of the Volgograd tractor, on YouTube

[Ros 56]

Or maybe we don’t need so many tractors, enough of Chelyabinsk and Peter, and someone else produces small dimensions. But oddly enough, the grain harvest turns out more than in the USSR. I'm not in the subject, I will not argue, we have our own Plant of tractor trailers died, and he is not the only one. But one thing tractor for agriculture, quite another - voenka.

[Igoresha]

You can cover up the artlessness and theft with a cunning plan. Someone who had to write on a piece of paper - SEND UPON - and send it down to the governor of the Volgograd region. and all need - there is a plant.

[parusnik]

We have Rusal, they have Motor Sich

[Semurg]

Quote: parusnik

We have Rusal, they have Motor Sich

Well, what do you immediately so in your heart beat by such a comparison, up there, along the branch, hurray-patriots just got angry at the expense of the Bandera mozgodyatlov who sold all the heritage of their grandfathers.

[Alexander Petrov1]

Sorry, but what's so funny!? What when the traitors from Ukraine sell the secrets and achievements of the united country and the last many billion enterprise to our competitors and we will lose billion dollars on this, funny? And where is the patriotism here, when in Russia we only have enough for retirement in 6 - 12 thousand rubles for 35 years of experience, this money was useful for raising pensions, and so they will go to Chinese pensioners!

[Sancho_SP]

There is a subtlety. The mining industry still can not be untied from the territory. But the production and technology can be taken out.

[mark1]

The industry is not quite extractive, and with high surplus value, in addition there is intellectual property and high-tech know-how (new al. Alloys)

[Vasyan1971]

... dissatisfaction with a possible deal expressed by the United States, believing that it carries risks to national security. However, for a Ukrainian company, the sale of its assets makes it possible to expand its presence in the PRC, especially in the face of the loss of the Russian market.

I wonder what will win: US national security or're coming out to "expand the presence in the PRC" (read, the PRC's national security)?

[Dogmatic]

greed will win)))

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Dogmatic

greed will win)))

Naturally! But whose specifically? USA, China or Ukraine ...

[Dogmatic]

without options. Ukraine needs money and a lot and quickly. Further striped interventions will hardly go.

[Mountain shooter]

Gentlemen, I was joking !!! Well, I wrote that the Chinese would buy Motor Sich, just as they bought specialists from Zorya Mashproekt and set up the production of ship gas turbines ... But I had no idea what it was REALLY!

[twviewer]

Since Zorya, a senior machinist, knew 50 for years to a peasant, spoke the youngest at the factory

[Sancho_SP]

In fact, the Chinese are even gentlemen. They only need from MS some key technologies that could be stolen much cheaper than officially buying something.

[Eug]

Almost the entire range of MS is critical for Russia. fleet, both military and civil. What to do? In each MS product, the share of Russian materials and components makes up the majority and is certified with them. So put the condition - we will, we will. By the way, under the old president, the Ukrainian government extended the Resolution of the CMU N680, there is a list of aviation materials and components that are allowed to be imported on preferential terms to enterprises of the aviation industry of Ukraine. But once allowed to import, then Russia is exporting them? So take advantage of this lever ..

[Nycomed]

And how will their owners from overseas look at this deal?

[Antares]

always amazed commentators - sale With 400 and components of the country NATO shot down the plane of the Russian Federation and blackmailing transit through the Turkish stream is good and money!
Sale of engines and technologies to China by a Ukrainian enterprise, China has not shot down planes and is not even an "aggressive neighbor" and offers money and the market - this is "the sale of national interests by the Banderaites."
The true We and they. We are good and all actions are always right. They are bad and always do everything in spite of the RF ..
This is despite the fact that the news still needs to be checked once. The second is not yet the decision of the antimonopoly committee (and С400 is already delivered) is two. And the position of the United States is capable of influencing-three. In that the interests of the United States may coincide with yours! And refuse to sell the share of MC ..
And all the same, everything that the "Bandera" do is a sin. The Russians are doing it good ..
Alas, but this is hypocrisy! Do the same thing. For the money.

[Mountain shooter]

Do you put the sale of a couple of air defense battalions in order to "undermine" NATO on the southern flank with the sale of an engine building enterprise with key technologies? Which China has not yet had!

[Antares]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

with the aim of "undermining" NATO on the southern flank

I look for the HSP so much is offered ... And the gas is cheaper and C 400, and a loan for nuclear power plants with a long period, and tourists and the lost tomato war and position on Syria ..
And the Turks still lead their line and vote for ter. integrity of Ukraine and KRY. And through the PTS they are increasing the sale of weapons and means of communication of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
And with the United States they are pursuing approximately the same policy - if I go to a neighbor (buy from the Russian Federation) and they also give F 35 and do not impose sanctions. Only the US does not give money for nuclear power plants and gas .. Yes, and the planes are not allowed to shoot down ..
Hard HSP on "the goal of undermining NATO" apparently Greece C 300 was also sold for this purpose.
Yes it is worth selling to the whole of Europe ... from the inside to undermine! And the United States immediately..and there is no NATO

Quote: Mountain Shooter

one board for selling engine-building enterprise with key technologies?

as far as I remember at the time of the break, everyone here wrote that the 70x engines were quickly import-replaced. Nothing complicated about them.
and C400 newer these engines. In addition, we are talking about MS, and not Ivchenko Progress.
Let me remind you about the actions and not the enterprise itself. If that shares of key state (and MS private owners) companies in the Russian Federation are also sold to foreigners. The type of Gazprom and Rosneft .. And they are really the key for nat. RF Security,

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Which China has not yet had!

Do you think why China bought helicopters in the Russian Federation? Engines and fighters in the Russian Federation, copied Western and established a German license? I stole English and American .. cloned and copied.
And most importantly, he managed to raise a galaxy of people and imported specialists from Ukraine and the Russian Federation (and other countries) by offering good conditions ...
China has been dealing with the problem for decades, persistently investing money and not quarreling with any country where it took technology and people .. A good lesson is how to develop something that you don’t have.

[bang]

it is good and money
These are the vicissitudes of politics, they are.

China did not shoot down planes or even an "aggressive neighbor" and offers money and market
Does China offer a market?
)))

[Homer_J_Simpson]

"The Ukrainian company that created engines for the world's largest transport aircraft An-225" ....? How long has a Ukrainian company created engines for an aircraft created in the USSR?

[Nestorych]

What for?!! Kitaezy gut it, and throw it away.)

[exo]

All the Chinese "miracle" grew up at the collapse of the USSR. Everything bought up and stolen in the West is just an addition to the Soviet legacy.

[yehat]

are mistaken. The Chinese miracle is the investment of the West in cheap production and open markets.
there is a Soviet trace, but very weak.

[Radical]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

At one time there was such a snowblower. She raked the snow towards herself with her paws and sent it to the back of a dump truck along a conveyor. The people gave her a well-aimed "Communist" chase. For grabbing paws.

Good lie, fakecomet! In most regions it was called "golden hands"!

[AU Ivanov.]

The expression "communizdit" is probably not familiar to you either. Such an apt expression.

[EnGenius]

Prepayment will be taken, or the shares will be sold, and then the transaction will be canceled due to the US ban. Chinese will lose money)

[yehat]

Quote: knn54

And China needs exactly the technology

only technologies are something concrete, not abstract knowledge.

[Berkut24]

However, for a Ukrainian company, the sale of its assets makes it possible to expand its presence in the PRC, especially in the face of the loss of the Russian market.

Naive farmers. The Chinese will gut technology, but they will not be allowed to enter their market. For after that "the violinist will be superfluous" (c).

[TAMBU]

Ukrainian company that created engines for the world's largest transport aircraft An-225

eeeem ... I don't want to sound like a bore, but these engines were created by an enterprise called ZMKB "Progress" ... The motor produces a "series" type ...

[gurzuf]

Quote: gfs84

It would be more impressive to give a link to the "star" - https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/2019761634-Sa4DR.html

And it is more correct to check the original source (satirical) news - https://panorama.pub/20246-zavod-zil.html

And this is ours - "peremoga".

[Radical]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

The expression "communizdit" is probably not familiar to you either. Such an apt expression.

Are you the author? Sorry... !

[16112014nk]

Quote: silberwolf88

of Trotskyism's nourished Kuusinen / Pivtoranov / Khrushchev / Andropov / Primakov ..

This is not the right company for Evgeny Maksimych. In 1998, the pr - in Primakov - Maslyukov pulled Russia out of the economic abyss, where it was led by the current "hero" of Russia, a kinder surprise. If EBN had not sent Primakov to a sudden retirement, we could now live in a completely different country.

[Old26]

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

What nonsense was it to build strategic and highly technological productions (tank, aviation, rocket, diesel and turbine plants) not in the RSFSR and now we are reaping the benefits and have already lost and will lose hundreds of billions of dollars on this !?

This is not nonsense. This is a real understanding of the situation that emerged in the late 40-x, the beginning of the 50-s. 6 and 8 August 1945 was a turning point in the strategy of major wars. It became clear that the rear, as such, will not be. And to concentrate everything in several cities (even if in several dozens) is far from the best option. So they built it so that when one plant is destroyed, the rest would continue to operate.
And no one in the worst dream could have imagined not only the collapse of the Soviet Union, but also enmity between Ukraine and Russia.

Quote: Alexander Petrov1

Not a single Empire of the world built a strategic highly intellectual production outside its center.

Well, the Union did not build outside its center. Just where he was the center, in the Soviet Union. Built mainly in the Slavic republics. And in view of the fact that in the event of war they were not all immediately destroyed

[Antares]

Quote: Old26

This is a real understanding of the situation that emerged in the late 40-x, the beginning of the 50-s.

in general, the Union, although it scattered new productions of new plants throughout the country, but factories producing products from tsarist times continued to operate.
A plant in Zaporozhye (Motor Sich) historically existed with 1907 ..
The history of the company began in 1907 year. Until December 1915, the plant produced agricultural machinery and tools, performed various types of machining, cast iron and copper products.
In December 1915, the joint-stock company Duflon, Konstantinovich and K ° (“DECA”) bought the plant and changed the profile of its production activities. The plant began mastering the production of aircraft engines, and in October, the first 1916-cylinder water-cooled DECA M-6 was manufactured by 100.
The history of the enterprise is the gradual creation and mastering in serial production of new engines, each of which has become a significant milestone in the development of the domestic aircraft engine building industry.
These are AI-20, AI-24, AI-25, AI-25, AI-9, TV3-117, D-36, D-136, D-18T, TV3-117MHV gas turbine engines, TV1-9-NMN, X-3, AI-36, AI-4, AI-436, AI-1, TV2500-18, D-38, D-12, TV8-10XMA engine. -12 ser. 32A, D-24Т26 / TP, VK-30 for IL-40, IL-39, Be-8, An-42, An-72, An-74, An-124, An-225, An-140, An -74, Yak-300, L-334, K-200J, Yak-27, An-28, An-29, An-31 "Ruslan", An-32 "Mriya", An-50, An-50ТК-2 , Tu-52, Be-8, and Ka-14, Ka-17, Ka-171, Ka-172, Ka-24, Ka-25, Ka-26-28, Ka-35, Mi-XNUMXМТ, Mi -XNUMX, Mi-XNUMX, Mi-XNUMX, Mi-XNUMX, Mi-XNUMX, Mi-XNUMX, Mi-XNUMX, Mi-XNUMX, Mi-XNUMX.
In 1995, the company was reorganized into Motor Sich Open Joint Stock Company.
Currently, the company has begun mass production of AI-222-25, D-436-148, AI-450-MS, TV3-117ВМА-СБМ1В aircraft engines for the Yak-130, An-148, An-158, Ank-24, Ank-25, An-17, An-171, Mi-helicopters aircraft. 27, MI-222, MI-25, MI-25 and intensive preparation is being carried out for serial production. , L-450 and Mi-500М, Mi-70MSB, MSB-15 and other helicopters
and they not only make engines ....

[Mikhail Drabkin]

More and Dneproges outbid!
I read somewhere that the Chinese are buying industrial black soil ..
And Russian neoligarchs buy football clubs, newspapers and liquor stores ... Abramovich, Lebedev and Chichvarkin

[Antares]

Quote: Mikhail Drabkin

I read somewhere that the Chinese are buying industrial black soil ..

there was a fake in the Russian media about the Swedes buying Ukrainian black soil ..

[APASUS]

I doubt that the Chinese need Motor Sich, they need a technology for producing aircraft engines. After the technological cards are transferred to China, the site will be used for expansion to Europe. The production itself will most likely be reduced to the production of one or two items. China will not produce a competitor for itself

[cat Rusich]

residents of Ukraine will sell everything (even its own Ukraine), and then they will come to us and, they will demand, we (Russia) will restore everything and give back to the Square, since the time of Bogdan Khmelnitsky, the circle is closed, ...

[DPN]

It is possible for this and the country - the USSR collapsed, in order to be taken away all the best in the world, we missed and others jumped.

[ASASHOKA]

This legacy exists in all countries of the former USSR. Let's remember all the republics ... They built the USSR all together and wanted it, this legacy, to work and work specifically for us, and not for an outside uncle. However, what happened happened. They profiled themselves ... Now we need to persistently collect the country back, and not distribute (relying on the ephemeral "world market") to each creature in pairs all that was built and created by the great country. Our country should belong to our people, and not to a few traders from this "market". However, we continue to take away the national property under the guise of and under the guise of all kinds of slogans. There is no master in the country - the People (with a capital letter). There is a crowd of people who want to snatch for their use everything that others have not yet been able to take away. And under the cover of this, our foreign "brothers" are also dragging and will not take away our heritage. It's all sad ...

[yehat]

Quote: Mestny

Both, by the way, are real communists.

By the way, Gorbachev completely floated in the theory of communism.
it often floated in his utterances. I think, and Yeltsin knew no more.
here they are real.

[NF68]

Is there anything left that China can buy?

[Tavi]

if they happen, China will also collapse ...

[RoTTor]

Destroyed industry giants, destroyed over the past twenty years, not only here, but also in all the former Soviet republics, built and revived the entire Soviet people.
It is logical and symbolic that the former Soviet giant in aircraft engine building will go to Red China, which, at the same time as us, has chosen the only right path and is now the undisputed world leader.
Will this lesson go for the future?
The Chinese aviation industry - for sure, the Ukrainian one - doesn’t care ...