Latvia: "Hello, we are looking for invaders ..."

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Latvia: "Hello, we are looking for invaders ..."
Riga. Workers celebrate the Soviet annexation of Latvia


1 July 2012 was held in the Latvian capital Riga, another “cultural campaign” of local admirers of the ideals of the Third Reich. In the streets of the city, which is part of the European Union, young people and elderly activists of the nationalist movements of Latvia marched. The march of people, many of whom were denounced in a fascist form with the distinctive attributes of Hitler's troops, was timed to coincide with the anniversary of the entry of the fascist German army into Riga. The reason for such a "holiday" Latvian activist neo-Nazi movement Uldis Freimanis called the fact that the Nazi troops, entering Riga, stopped the crimes of the Soviet regime. Freimanis and his comrade in the movement for the revival of the memory of the “glorious times” of Riga under the Wehrmacht’s bootleg Igor Shishkin showed, not without pleasure, photographs of smiling and contented Rigans, who were greeted by the “liberation” Hitler army. However, these gentlemen who profoundly believed in bright prospects of life under the “warm” wing of fascism, gentlemen, for some reason did not dare to arrange another photo exhibition, in which photographs of numerous rallies and a movement in support of Latvia’s accession to the USSR would be shown. “Lost” Freimanis associates show passers-by photos of the Riga ghettos, Latvian concentration camps and pictures of evictions from the “liberated country” of tens of thousands of people whose nationality did not fit the Nazi ideals.

It would seem that it is already time to stop paying attention to all these stupid neo-Nazi marches in the Baltic cities, to raise the right hand and give it a relief to all these “Freimanis” and “Shishkins”. However, if we do it now, then we can assume that we ourselves indulge in this, if I may say so, to people in their irresistible desire to alter history and trample down historical memory.

One should not forget that today there are still a sufficient number of those in Latvia who, with the phrase “Hitler's liberation of Riga from the Soviet occupation”, are all in the shower. And it is precisely for the sake of these people that the Latvian nations of the new generation cannot be allowed to rewrite history into a form convenient for themselves.

But before the rewriting of history in the same Latvian hunters rife. Recently the main official Latvian historian Inesis Feldmanis spoke about the need for this kind of work. This gentleman calls on the Latvian authorities to ensure that they conduct a more “tough historical policy” towards Russia. Like, you need more and more Russian to slip documents about the "occupation" of Latvia from 1940, and then to achieve recognition of this fact from the official Moscow. Obviously, Mr. Feddmanis was inspired by the “achievements” of the Lithuanian neighbors who billed 90 with billions of dollars in relation to the Russian Federation, which should be compensatory in nature during the years of the Soviet “occupation” of Lithuania. Gaining historical Latvian determination, Feldmanis stated that he insists that within the framework of the joint Russian-Latvian commission, the facts of the "occupation" of Latvia from the beginning of the 40-s are recognized, and Russia would lay out a round sum with a blue background nine zeros in dollar terms for all those years when the Soviet Union “choked” Latvia in moderately developed Latvia in its “fetters”.

In general, this whole promise with an endless exaggeration of the “occupation” theme in Latvia has a very prosaic goal, which in common people sounds like “cut the loot”.

On the same account within Latvia itself there are very interesting opinions about which it is impossible not to tell. One of these opinions is the opinion of the Latvian journalist Dainis Lemesonoks, who published the material “Why do we love occupation so much?”

The journalist declares that it is extremely convenient for the current Latvian authorities to use “occupation” historical motives, as they cover up the fact that at one time Latvia did not offer any resistance when it entered the USSR. Lemeshonoks is certain that the “innocent occupation” allows Latvians today to justify the Latvian authorities of the times when the country became part of the USSR.

The opinion is very interesting, because, in fact, the endless words about the "Soviet occupiers" are not historically supported by any document. On all papers there are signatures of the top leaders of Latvia of that time, who behaved according to all the laws of the Latvian genre - unconditionally accepted the condition of one of the parties - with flowers, banners and smiles, they were greeted by the news of Latvia's entry into the Soviet Union. Then Hitler's troops appeared, and they were greeted as warmly, with the same colors and the same joyful faces.

Preserving the national tradition, the Latvian authorities would even today meet with pleasure those who want to walk through the Riga squares in wrought-iron boots for bravura marches. NATO met, and not just met, but also went on joy to carry out joint operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, taking part in the destruction of civilians. The boss said - we did, we are so helpful ... Let it be some Finns are fighting to defend independence, and we will take the path of historical compatibility with subsequent denunciations of the "invaders".

And tomorrow, after all, NATO may leave, some will come, sorry, Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg and the Latvian historical tradition will order to meet him with bread and salt, crying in his latex vest about the years of NATO oppression. Well, even if the Latvian presidents themselves, with a twinkle in their eyes, signed the documents on joining the alliance.

Is this really what this national Baltic character is - dampness in the air, dampness in the souls, dampness in the minds ...
Let us return, however, to the words about the “love of the Latvians for the occupation” of Dainis Lemesonoks. He gives a very eloquent example of how attempts to create a “innocent occupational background” of the 1940 events of the year look like today. The journalist says that the Latvian authorities of those years remind him of a woman of very light-hearted behavior, who herself sat down through the open door of the car to an unfamiliar man, used the proposed cocktails, playfully lifted her skirt and jumped onto his lap, and then suddenly with a big hangover “unexpectedly” for I realized that the stranger had “raped” her, and even began to shout about it quite loudly, showing smeared lipstick and a battered blouse.

By the words of Lemeshonoks, one can add that this lady is reminded not only of the Latvian authorities of the 40-s sample, but also of the modern Latvian authorities. All the same flirting, all the same voluptuous hugs and intoxicating political drinks, and then there are likely new cries for "brazen and unprincipled rape" in the shadow of the NATO flag flying.

In general, the Latvian love of provocations followed by sobs is, it turns out, a historical background for the existence of the entire Baltic state. If independent development does not work at all, then you need to find someone who will first play the role of a “big father”, and then you can also give a statement on this “father” where you should roll - maybe also “alimony” will be awarded ...

Materials used:
http://rus.delfi.lv/news/daily/versions/dajnis-lemeshonoks-pochemu-my-lyubim-okkupaciyu.d?id=42473038
http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_19374/
http://www.mixnews.lv/ru/society/news/2012-07-01/99743
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  1. Yoshkin Kot
    +7
    5 July 2012 09: 10
    a seeker, it will come to pass when battles with immigrants unfold in Europe, where do you think they will be resettled?
    1. +6
      5 July 2012 10: 06
      Yoshkin Kot
      It is known where the Nazis and why they release. Good luck crying
      1. +3
        5 July 2012 19: 34
        The title is aerobatics !!! Alexey, congratulations on the "find"!
        And, most importantly, as applied to the text - 100% hit! If there are no problems, then the Balts will invent them. But to solve them by themselves - there is not enough urine for this, so they will tearfully invite "one and indivisible" Europe to the kingdom! A common man in the street is already well aware that their "proud and mighty" countries have turned into a laughing stock, but politicians still continue to dash in dusty political frock coats with the look of Glytsky lords ... Well, well ... How long will it last ...
        1. FiremanRS
          0
          7 July 2012 11: 48
          Valera, welcome! Tell me, because I somehow do not know: have you already lifted the ban on Nazi symbols and fascism in general? There was an international ban. On what basis do the Baltic states march in fascist form and make excursions to kindergartens?
          1. chukapabra
            0
            7 July 2012 11: 53
            Quote: FiremanRS
            There was an international ban. On what basis do the Baltic states march in fascist form and make excursions to kindergartens?

            Unfortunately, there is no international ban. There is just not a big count in countries. where is the propaganda of Nazism (more precisely, national socialism and symbolism is prohibited)
            1. FiremanRS
              0
              7 July 2012 16: 50
              I apologize for my ignorance in this matter. It just seemed to me that after the trials over the Nazis, the bans on all this were introduced, plus the ban on Germany, like Japan, to have armed forces. As far as I remember, all the countries participating in these judicial actions subscribed to these. My knowledge of this is limited only by the school course ....
  2. itr
    +6
    5 July 2012 09: 17
    Elephant and pug! What can you take off about talking about?
    1. 755962
      0
      5 July 2012 23: 34
      Quote: itr
      Elephant and pug!

  3. +11
    5 July 2012 09: 44
    ...the Latvian authorities of those years remind a lady of very facilitated behavior, who herself sat down through an open car door to an unknown man, used the offered cocktails, playfully lifted her skirt and jumped to his lap, and then suddenly, from a big hangover, she realized that the stranger did “rape” her, and even began to shout about it quite loudly, showing her smeared lipstick and rumpled blouse.

    This is perhaps the most accurate definition of the government of Latvia, and indeed of all three Baltic republics! In addition, it is time to sue the government, which allows open fascist movements. Moreover, a competent lawyer should do this on behalf of WWII veterans! And to demand compensation from such moral hoaxes for such things!
    1. +4
      5 July 2012 10: 14
      I absolutely agree with you !!! More accurately express the policy of the Baltic states is impossible!
      1. IGR
        IGR
        +8
        5 July 2012 10: 35
        There really is nothing to boast of in history or in economics. Backyard. Only with Big Neighbor and lucky. And the border is common and you can bite. And the Neighbor reacts predictably - no way. Self-gratification of ambition in front of a mirror.
        1. +1
          5 July 2012 11: 05
          Smiled - well said.
    2. Kaa
      +4
      5 July 2012 12: 10
      And also to add on the part of the descendants of the White emigration living in Europe an account for the actions of "Latvian riflemen" in the Civil. If they do not recognize the claims from the veterans of the Great Patriotic War, then, logically, they will be obliged to accept from the descendants of the Civil War veterans.
  4. AIvanA
    +2
    5 July 2012 10: 08
    Yes, the great Baltic powers remind me of some sort of pikines courageously screaming, from envy, from behind the owner’s feet and pleasing to the elephant. After all, we can’t recall the most unpleasant things to these great screamers, too, of the Latvian riflemen on the territory of Russia, they bloodyly showered here, only let them remember when these powerful powers appeared and thanks to this.
  5. 0
    5 July 2012 10: 09
    Well, the Baltic is flawed, flawed.
    Latvia is no country, with no people.
    Well, so. When God was distributing all kinds of abilities to the nations, he simply did not notice Latvia (incidentally, like Estonia and Lithuania), because of their more than modest size.
    Therefore, the poor Zhmudins, alright, the whole and how they are still there, are experiencing simply a huge inferiority complex.
    Because of this, the poor fellows always confuse God's gift with fried eggs.
    The smaller and less significant the people, the more ambition
    1. AIvanA
      +3
      5 July 2012 12: 18
      And chukhon, and not their ambition but a felic self-awareness
  6. Perch_xnumx
    +8
    5 July 2012 10: 11
    And the guide is our Israeli friends who write boiling water from the word Nazis. Why are we silent, why not yelling at the whole world, they say such - these Lithuanian ss-ts appear to be at war for the ideals of the world.
  7. +5
    5 July 2012 10: 11
    If someone is interested in this topic, look at YouTube there is an interview, then the future Minister of Culture, Vladimir Medinsky. In simple, accessible words, he told me about what I want to swear when I read the next vyser of our Natsik about how my ancestors of their poor occupied and how their ancestors fought for independence, wearing a Nazi uniform.

    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      +1
      5 July 2012 19: 45
      Medina is a clear man, he’ll go far, this is a real intellect and the minister will be a good one from him.
  8. sd34efghfgh
    0
    5 July 2012 10: 34
    What is the matter with the country where the authorities are looking?
    I accidentally stumbled upon a site to search for people u.to/tFAmAg
    Here you can find information about any resident of Russia, Ukraine, and other CIS countries.
    I’m really scared - to twist in such a way with anyone can go in and see.
    Addresses, best friends, kinship with anyone, above all there are for example my photos, phone number.
    It’s good that you can delete it, you’ll find your page and you’ll go through verification and delete
    And then there is nobody who is looking for ...
  9. serge
    +3
    5 July 2012 10: 37
    It would be necessary to roll out claims to the Balts for the actions of their punitive detachments in the territories occupied by the Nazis. There is not enough money for the entire European Union.
    1. +1
      5 July 2012 11: 07
      Yes, to act as a conscientious delegation at a conference in Genoa in 1922.
  10. +3
    5 July 2012 11: 04
    Actually, what else to expect from Angosaki pro .... puppets. They raised Hitler and now do not let fascism die. Soon this will hit them too - let Bismarck remember the words that they must play with the Russians honestly, otherwise they will come anyway and will have to pay all the bills. (Not verbatim, but the meaning is completely preserved).
  11. +13
    5 July 2012 11: 05
    It is significant in this regard to recall the words of Catherine II, though they refer more to Lithuania, but this is quite suitable for the rest of the Baltic states.
    Here is a quote from her letter about the Prussian Minister Herzberg, who wanted to redistribute the Baltic lands:
    : “This cattle deserves to be beaten in order. He has as much knowledge in history as my parrot. He does not know that all Lithuania was Russian and conducted all his affairs in Russian, that all acts of the Lithuanian archives were written in Russian and in Russian letters. As for the XVII century. in all Lithuania, Orthodox confession was dominant. Stupid Minister of State, a real donkey ... "

    I think this characteristic is the best suited to modern Baltic politicians.My webpage
    1. +2
      5 July 2012 11: 29
      Ascetic, don’t share the full version
  12. +4
    5 July 2012 11: 42
    But the softness of the Russian Foreign Ministry infuriates me. After each such march, it is necessary to turn on the gear-grinding machine at all international gatherings. Do not forget that it is sobering for those who want to bite Russia from other squares.
  13. +2
    5 July 2012 12: 49
    As never before, the author correctly observed in comparing the Latvian authorities with a prostitute ... There are prostitutes!
  14. 0
    5 July 2012 13: 36
    I have only one word comes to mind ....... BITCHES !!! (sorry escaped)
    1. +2
      5 July 2012 14: 07
      Quote: plohoy
      I have only one word comes to mind ....... BITCHES !!! (sorry escaped)

      Horror!!! How can this be about a democratic and finally freed country from the terrible Russian oppression and occupation! Finally they sighed with full free breasts, and you them- !!
      But actually, for complete freedom, it's time to connect the Natsik march with gays. And then it is not entirely liberal and tolerant.
      1. +1
        9 July 2012 00: 11
        after such a march, gays will definitely decrease
  15. +1
    5 July 2012 14: 12
    The article accurately reflects the state of things not only in Latvia, but also in Lithuania and Estonia. All of them are oiled in one world.
  16. motors
    +1
    5 July 2012 15: 36
    It would seem that it is time to stop paying attention to all these silly neo-Nazi marches in the Baltic cities, raise your right hand and wave it with ease at all these "Freimanis" and "Shishkins." However, if you do it now, then we can assume that we ourselves indulge in this, so to speak, to people in their irresistible desire to rewrite history and trample historical memory in the dirt.

    I put the author a minus ..

    there are enough people with countries everywhere. Only in Latvia itself no one forgives attention to such "holidays". Among such activists, there are only 20-30 people ...
    Well, in order to announce the "revival of fascism" in Latvia, it is enough

    And pay attention - the leader of the most radical nationalist organizations just do not Latvian! Igor Shishkin is definitely not a Latvian name :)))


    This gentleman calls on the Latvian authorities to pursue a more “harsh historical policy” with respect to Russia. They say that more and more these Russians need to palm off documents on the "occupation" of Latvia since 1940, and then official Moscow should recognize this fact. Obviously, Mr. Fedmanis was inspired by the “achievements” of the Lithuanian neighbors, who billed $ 90 billion for the Russian Federation, which should have a compensatory character during the years of the Soviet “occupation” of Lithuania

    The Latvian-Russian commission of historians on this score does not do such a kipish as you are the author. If they would have read the interview with the Feldmanis more readily, then they would have remembered the mention of the moment when they considered the question of 1940. When they were looking at one of the documents where Meretskov gave the order for full and combat readiness of the fleet on June 12, 1940, the Russian colleague virazils- "And they taught us that they themselves joined us."

    Manya has long had the impression that many people like Avotr are reluctant to put themselves in the place of others.

    I can tell you as a Latvian (I am sure that the forced incorporation of Latvia in the USSR was) that such an attitude to the historical trauma of the Latvian people (like - they are indignation and ungodly bastards and still Nazi accomplices. And we did it right - because we always do it right) very offended and no good relations can be in principle.

    Without even delving into the details, you think, until 1940, the most hostile states of Latvia were Germany, and for the most part of the Germans (the German harrows, which for centuries had been poorly related to local violence, did not feel like big lubvies after 1918). The attitude towards the USSR was moderately positive. 1940 Latvia incorporate in the USSR. 1941 is summer - the Latvians are meeting Germans with flowers, deserted from the army in droves and many even attack the Soviet troops!
    And when in 1944 the front again sweeps across Latvia, tens of thousands and even hundreds (in Latvia, the population is 2) of civilians frantically run away from "liberation" anywhere. And then even 000 years after the end of the war in Latvia, the war will continue, but only partisan.

    And so the question is: Have you ever wondered why the attitude towards the Soviets has changed so rapidly after 1940? Don't you think that something terrible has come through this year? As the saying goes, there is no smoke without fire.

    It turned out quite chaotic well, I hope that the meaning is understood.

    sorry for the mistakes. Russian is not my good language
    1. +6
      5 July 2012 17: 14
      Quote: motors
      And so the question is: Have you ever wondered why the attitude towards the Soviets has changed so rapidly after 1940?

      As you write, in 1944 tens and hundreds of thousands of civilians fled from liberation anywhere. Why? Because, having joined the Germans as winners in 1941, committing crimes against Soviet citizens, the Latvians did not think that the Fritzes would be driven back and were drawn to prisoners. Jews and Communists and members of their families to the fullest. But the impossible happened, the Wehrmacht rolled backwards, the Soviets again found themselves on top, but it was already impossible for the traitors to join them, the fear of retribution for the crimes they had committed hung like a domocles sword. families scrabbled after the "patrons", and those who did not have time to escape, understood that there was no forgiveness, and, like a beast, hid in the forest in order to attack the unarmed from there, and run like an animal back into the forest, when struck with a stick on ridge.
      And regarding the order of Meretskov, nowhere is there any instruction to attack, defeat and capture Latvia. This was done to warn the German side.
      1. motors
        0
        5 July 2012 18: 45
        Quote: revnagan
        As you write, in 1944 tens and hundreds of thousands of civilians fled from liberation anywhere. Why? Because, having joined the Germans as winners in 1941, committing crimes against Soviet citizens, the Latvians did not think that the Fritzes would be driven back and were drawn to prisoners. Jews and Communists and members of their families to the fullest. But the impossible happened, the Wehrmacht rolled backwards, the Soviets again found themselves on top, but it was already impossible for the traitors to join them, the fear of retribution for the crimes they had committed hung like a domocles sword. families scrabbled after the "patrons", and those who did not have time to escape, understood that there was no forgiveness, and, like a beast, hid in the forest in order to attack the unarmed from there, and run like an animal back into the forest, when struck with a stick on ridge.


        You didn’t notice the main thing. Why are Latvians for some Germans a conqueror of Kotoris in the War of Independence (1918-1920) distinguished themselves with particular cruelty against Laticheys and civilians and military captives and with the diaspora of Kotoros very strong relations were in touch before the start of World War II, suddenly in 1941 they were met with flowers?
        What do you personally think?


        As regards German acupation, the situation was as follows.

        The invasion of the German army in the USSR was perceived with the hope of independence which the Germans gave and did not collect. They supported the myth of independent Latvia (propaganda posters, etc.) - such as defeating a communist and there you will live well. But the euphoria passed quite quickly.

        Quite an important fact is that there were volunteers who did the so-called police battalions. Of these volunteers, less than a dozen battalions were formed. These were the only units that participated in punitive operations in Russia and Belarus (These were the only units that took part in shameful punitive operations against civilians. The Germans were then drafted in mass order in the 15th and 19th SS divisions, which later enlisted these "policemen". divisions did not participate in punitive operations).
        Well, even the seeds of these punishers do not constitute even a little how much a significant part of the total number of refugees


        Quote: revnagan
        And regarding the order of Meretskov, nowhere is there any instruction to attack, defeat and capture Latvia. This was done to warn the German side.

        1. On June 15, the president (dictator) of Latvia received a note (ultimatum) from the USSR which required the president and the government to resign and let in additional troops to Latvia. In case of failure, it will be done by force. The time for mixing is two days. He decided to agree with all the requirements.

        2. What warnings on the part of the USSR against Germany can be spoken of? In 1940, Germany and the USSR were once allies, then great friends! The USSR sent all the necessary resources for the German war machine. In addition, in June 1940, all German troops were in France, and on the border with the USSR they lost 10-12 divisions there.
        1. +3
          5 July 2012 20: 33
          motors
          Hello. Let me disagree with you. I'll start from the end.
          Despite any agreements, the last signatory of the non-aggression pact with Germany in the USSR, everyone understood that this was only a respite from the big war. In the summer, Hitler had already ordered the development of Barbarossa. By supplying Germany with raw materials, the USSR received in exchange the latest industrial equipment, which in the end became the key to that. that our industry was able to withstand competition with industry throughout Europe, working for Germany + A huge loan, which amounted to one third of the Reich's foreign exchange reserves (which in turn was able to develop its industry mainly through loans and other US assistance) ... just think about it. in size ...
          Regarding Latvia ... firstly. The first persons of the Baltic states, including presidents and prime ministers, often appear on these gatherings of disadvantages in the Baltic states. They make speeches. praising the proud SS men. struggling with acupants, forgetting. that when entering the SS divisions it was necessary to take the oath and swear allegiance personally to the Führer.
          Further. Unfortunately. all your formations, without exception, practically did not take part in the battles with the Red Army. The main reason is low combat efficiency. So. a few episodes. after each of which the divisions had to be reorganized due to monstrous losses. By the way. ranting about that. that the Waffen SS did not participate in punitive operations - a blatant lie - if the regular units and formations of the Wehrmacht were engaged in this. then what about the rest. all the more so since it’s not a secret for a long time - the Germans tried to shift punitive tasks onto the shoulders of auxiliary police units and legions that were not made up of Germans.
          But I suppose. you understand. that the Germans would not begin to contain your battalions and SS units for nothing .... further. I think everything is clear.
          Regarding the refugees, Latvia gave about a hundred thousand warriors to help the Nazis. How many relatives they had ... you will calculate. or understand. that 3-4 relatives were each. Further .. after the entry of the Wehrmacht into your territory there, almost all the Jews and families of our servicemen who did not have time to leave were destroyed there. And mostly Latvians destroyed them, and, often not being either members of military formations or police, someone didn’t even kill - they simply robbed and denounced ..., the Latvians were well aware of what the numerous auxiliary police units were engaged in, mainly engaged in anti-partisan warfare which meant burnt villages. hanged and shot old men. women and children in Ukraine, Belarus and Russia - and they committed such atrocities. that even the Germans treated them with contempt (as Bandera and our Vlasovites). Everyone knew. that death camps were created on the territory of Latvia, where they destroyed not only Russians, but also brought Jews from Europe ... Do you think so. what did the Latvians think that they won’t have anything for it? Pat on the head? Hence the refugees ... would it be strange if they all remained to expect just retribution? And add here almost four-year Nazi propaganda about Russians ... after all, you are still alive, half of your Russophobic postulates were invented by Grandfather Goebbels ... so that, perhaps, you can understand. that the article is still soft and tolerant ... Note. that we remember about Latvia and sometimes talk about you sharply only when you once again praise the Nazis, brazenly oppress the Russian-speaking population, or your next politician begins to lie too loud about us .... that's all. And you? You look - all of your media can not live a single day, if once again they do not tell lies about that. what we are bad ... Don’t deceive us please .... I have for example. parents live in the Baltic states. so what to say. that nobody there pays any attention to the SS men ... it’s a lie .... excuse me.
          And about entering the USSR - they answered above to you there, but to me - laziness ...
          1. motors
            -1
            5 July 2012 21: 58
            Quote: smile
            Despite any agreements, the USSR was the last to sign a non-aggression pact with Germany. Everyone understood. one hundred is only a respite from the great war. Delivering raw materials to Germany, the USSR received in exchange the most advanced industrial equipment, which in the end became the key to that. that our industry was able to withstand competition with industry throughout Europe, working for Germany + A huge loan, which amounted to one third of the Reich's foreign exchange reserves (which in turn was able to develop its industry mainly through loans and other US assistance) ... just think about it. in size ...



            Hello.

            As regards the relations between Germany and the USSR, I mentioned as an argument that Miretskov’s order on June 12, 1940 on the readiness of the fleet to some sort of squander could not be considered as a preemptive action against Germany. Germany at that time couldn’t have any effect on the events here in the Baltic.
            1. They all needed resources from the USSR
            2. The Germans were completely captured in the capture of France.

            Well, this concerns the incorporation of Latvia into the USSR.

            If the USSR was intrigued in order to avoid a major war, why didn’t it enter into an alliance with France and Great Britain? Or at least to a lesser extent blocked the resources of Germany? The Germans would not have imposed such a blockade on any war ..
            Well this is off topic.


            Quote: smile
            Regarding Latvia ... firstly. The first persons of the Baltic states, including presidents and prime ministers, often appear on these gatherings of disadvantages in the Baltic states. They make speeches. praising the proud SS men. struggling with acupants, forgetting. that when entering the SS divisions it was necessary to take the oath and swear allegiance personally to the Führer.


            In some sense you are right.
            Legion and SS at Denmark the moment the object of speculation of politicians of a different sense. But the questions of the SS legion are smaller than the connection with the events of June 1940. Maybe just as a consequence.

            I talked a lot about the Legion, and I repeat it once more.
            In the province, the situation is that punitive subdivisions (police battalions) were formed in the summer of 1941 when several thousand volunteers entered and were sent to punitive operations in Belarus and Russia.
            In 1943, ties to the shortage and lively silinemtsi declared universal mobilization. Thus, the 15th and 19th SS divisions were formed. These divisions participated only in military operations and had no relationship with punitive operations. After them, these police battalions also got into them.
            And what is celebrated as the day of legionnaires on March 16. So there they do not know punishment but training soldiers. It is not without reason that these two divisions were not included in the SS organization and had the status of "with ss". And the Nuremberg trials said that these "under" criminals do not show, but they are silent about it ...
            What opinions do I have? except the punisher, all the remaining victims of the circumstances. And now, on March 16, this is purely a policy that politicians need, which their ratings raise on the insult of people of all parties.


            Quote: smile
            Further. Unfortunately. all your formations, without exception, practically did not take part in the battles with the Red Army. The main reason is low combat efficiency. So. a few episodes. after each of which the divisions had to be reorganized due to monstrous losses. By the way. ranting about that. that the Waffen SS did not participate in punitive operations - a blatant lie - if the regular units and formations of the Wehrmacht were engaged in this. then what about the rest. all the more so since it’s not a secret for a long time - the Germans tried to shift punitive tasks onto the shoulders of auxiliary police units and legions that were not made up of Germans.


            1. The combat readiness of the Latvian units was temporal. So for example, the 19th division in Kurlandi for 8 monthswas seen 6 major offensives. The reason for the frequent regroupings was that the Germans rather than threw the national formations into the midst against the superior forces of the USSR.
            2. I have already mentioned that the Latvian Legion was decided in Nuremberg. Only police battalions (in the case of the Latins) participated in punitive operations. And, of course, they poured them into the division.

            Quote: smile
            Regarding the refugees, Latvia gave about a hundred thousand warriors to help the Nazis. How many relatives they had ... maybe you can calculate it yourself. or understand yourself. that 3-4 relatives were each. Further .. after the entry of the Wehrmacht into your territory there, almost all the Jews and families of our servicemen who did not have time to leave were destroyed there. And they were mostly destroyed by Latvians, and, often not being either members of military units or police officers, someone didn’t even kill - they simply robbed and reported ..., the Latvians were well aware of what the numerous auxiliary police units were engaged in, mainly engaged in anti-partisan warfare which meant burnt villages. hanged and shot old men. women and children in Ukraine, Belarus and Russia - and they committed such atrocities. that even the Germans treated them with contempt (as Bandera and our Vlasovites). Everyone knew. that death camps were created on the territory of Latvia, where they destroyed not only Russians, but also brought Jews from Europe ... Do you think so. what did the Latvians think that they won’t have anything for it? Pat on the head? Hence the refugees ... would it be strange if they all remained to expect just retribution?


            It is not that simple

            1. called upon the forces. Many who avoided mobilization were divided into account with prisoners of concentration camps.
            2. You say that at that time there was an independent country, Latvia, which pursued a pro-German policy. Yes, and the motivation of the people who were in the service of the occupation of power, too, you will despise the residents of the Nazis.
            This is a very sensitive issue and there is a lot to discuss, but it’s common to call all criminals impossible.
            3. Bezhintsi were not because their relatives were called to the legion (not to be confused with the punishers). these were people who were hostile to the Soviet regime. I once told that after the agrarian reform in Latvia each seed received its own clump of land. out of 140 households, 000 households became strong ("fists"). Sovets it all taken away and with the owners you know what you did.
            In short, people were afraid of repeating the horror of the year -1940-41. when they managed to send the first 26 thousand civilians out of every 4, there was a youngster or an old man ... And they would have deported more (the wagons were pre-war), but the war started (the first were deported in June 1941, 17).
            The results of the Soviet regime were just a gift for German propaganda. They just managed to dig up the disfigurement of a corpse in the Central Prison (officials and howl) and reveal that not Englishmen, not Americans, will save you! Or you are under our authority or get back the red ones ...
            And that's why many who really went to the legion say so, "I knew that if it wasn't the Germans who would call the Russians for sure. It's better against these izvirgs."


            4. The colorants everywhere was full. Letts are not unique in this ... And someone does not mention punishers.

            Quote: smile
            Notice. that we remember about Latvia and sometimes talk about you sharply only when you once again praise the Nazis, brazenly oppress the Russian-speaking population, or your next politician begins to lie too loud about us .... that's all. And you? You look - all of your media can not live a single day, if once again they do not tell lies about that. what we are bad ... Don’t deceive us please .... I have for example. parents live in the Baltic states. so what to say. that nobody there pays any attention to the SS men ... it’s a lie .... excuse me.


            1. In Latvia, the Nazis are not deigned. Viche I already told you this
            2. The Russian media show Latvia radically negatively.
            For example, the very same March 16. In essence, the matter is just a theater for politicians, and ligionery is just such an instrument. There is no reason to prohibit the memorial day - it is official and the actual process is the commemoration of the deceased Latishites as victims of the totalitarian regime. Well of course it attracts radicals of a different kind.
            Well, on March 16, 2011, hooligans from the so-called atnifashists and hooligans of neo-Nazis and Germany were arrested. Russian media have announced that the detention is only anti-fascist. Why?
            Or cases when in news releases they put photographs of neo-Nazis in Nazi salute. Then it turned out that it was neo-Nazis somewhere in Russia

            3. Article is offensively speaking.

            4. Without knowledge of Russian language in Latvia, it is impossible to find work! Mandatory requirements. I already do not talk about the fact that the state contains Russian schools and libraries on the air on television and radio and even theaters.
            Even there was an experiment, we went according to state institutions and began to speak Russian and never refused to help in Russian ....
            continue? The well-Riga Mayor, deputies of the Sejm, officials, military and police are among them a lot of Russians.
            Non-citizens? Most of them have been naturalized long ago (this is not difficult) and there are no problems.
            1. sapulid
              +4
              5 July 2012 23: 16
              (4. Without knowledge of Russian language in Latvia, it is impossible to get a job! Mandatory requirements. I already do not say that the state contains Russian schools and libraries on-air time on television and radio and even theaters)
              Well, damn it, but I thought the demand was knowledge of Latvian. Probably, the language inspection checks the knowledge of Russian? :) And, what Russian-speaking channel of Latvia does the government support? He lived in Riga for two years, but I don’t know! :) It’s better for you to remain silent about maintaining Russian schools. How many supported the closure in the last 3 years? If possible, how do Latvians support Russian libraries and theaters? Can you name the amount?
              1. motors
                -3
                5 July 2012 23: 56
                Quote: sapulid
                Well, damn it, but I thought the demand was knowledge of Latvian. Perhaps the language inspection checks the knowledge of Russian? :)

                Well, while you lived in Riga, could you twist to be plainly Russian? If you ignore the obligatory minimum of state language?

                Quote: sapulid
                And what Russian-language channel of Latvia does the government support?


                There is no separate channel - only ether time on the channel
                LTV

                Quote: sapulid
                On maintaining Russian schools, you better keep silent. How many supported the closure in the last 3 years?


                Russian schools in this situation are not unique. And for demographic situations many schools impoverished or eliminated not only Russian schools.

                Quote: sapulid
                If possible, how do Latvians support Russian libraries and theaters? Can you name the amount?


                And who pays your salary?
            2. -1
              6 July 2012 15: 52
              motors
              Regarding the alliance with Britain and France. ... Given the gigantic efforts these countries have made. to push us with Germany - it was a dead issue. The composition of the delegation and, especially, their credentials (or rather their absence), which came to us to delay negotiations before we were forced to conclude a Moscow treaty with the Germans, testify very well of this ..... By the way, what could be done with them at all negotiate - unlike the unskilful Stalin, who did not violate any international treaty, England and France threw and framed all countries. who concluded a mutual assistance agreement with them ... What kind of agreements could be discussed. if they planned air strikes on our oil fields in Baku and Grozny, and we planned retaliatory attacks on their air bases. If they just continued their policy of ousting and dismembering Russia, which was successfully carried out in the 17-20s. As a result of this policy, the territories of Finland, Poland, the Baltic states and parts of Ukraine and Belarus were illegally seized from Russia. This was Russian territory recognized by international law. And they rejected it contrary to international law - by the right of the strong.
              As for the SS men ... - I have already said - in total, together with units of the auxiliary police, about a hundred thousand Latvians served the Germans. The combat path of your divisions is very short and winding, one of the features of your Waffen SS units - after all, they were not constantly at the front ... guess what they were doing in the rear? would the Germans really allow them to eat bread for free - you yourself believe that?
              And as for the frequent regroupings - look how the German units wound along the fronts - and everything will become clear. By the way, well do you really think so. because the Germans loved Latvians more than themselves and therefore cherished them, substituting them for themselves? ... Nu-nu ...
              And about the fact that the Latvian formations cut off and blocked in Courland together with a German group of more than one hundred thousand soldiers survived six attacks .... Kurland was stormed less than once .... maybe six battles? And about superior forces ... well, yes, by the end of the war we were able to bring superiority in forces to proportions. specified in the charters in decisive directions, exactly like the Wehrmacht in 41 years - this is normal, and good, that is why the losses of the Germans and their allies exceeded ours at the end of the war ... sometimes many times ...

              I completely admit. that some were called up by force, for example, those who were a supporter of the communist underground and not so small of your Communist Party, who were almost completely destroyed by your compatriots .. This is one of the factors that reduced the combat effectiveness of your SS divisions

              I’m not saying that I lived only to curry favor with the Germans - this simply cannot be. all the more so since about the same number of Latvians fought against the Germans as for.

              Regarding the deportees - I do not condone the whole Stalinist policy, but .... deportations in the Baltic countries began about a week before the war - our special services felt this and began to act .... you indicate inflated figures ...... from Lithuania they managed to send about 12-14 thousand - to look for laziness ... not good ... but, according to the German archives, because of this deportation they lost almost everything as active. and conserved agents .... and what, you say - it was not worth it? And why then the Americans (well, you don’t blame them for atrocities, you sent all of your Japanese to concentration camps after Pearl Harbor - you didn’t send them away, you put them ... along with the babies ...)
              but about the fact that German propaganda used all our mistakes and stupidities to the utmost - here I agree with you - their propaganda machine can only be compared with the current American ....
              About those. who went against our monsters .... well, yes, we really are monsters - your compatriots (including ordinary citizens - not even serving in self-defense units) killed more Russian civilians, family members of military personnel and Jews more in a month. than the Bad Stalin destroyed your compatriots, often blood-stained over the ears for a decade ..... who are the fiends then ... eh?
              And the traitors. indeed, and we had, what can I say ... and to hell.
              If in Russia, all Latvians were forced to surrender the Russian language with the same cruelty that you have Russians (far from all Latvians can pass it), if all the Latvians who live with us were deprived of them, if they would be fined we have for speaking in the same language at the store, if a third of the time all the media spent on us telling all kinds of tales about Latvians - then you would have a reasonable right to reproach us with an unfair approach .. ..BUT WE HAVE EVERYTHING BACK! .... I do not want to write further, since only sharpness will turn out .... just think, what kind of bacchanalia you would have started if we had the same attitude towards you as you do to us .... you are sane man ... well, think so ....
              Speaking of Russian schools ..... which. as you say, the state contains .... Now, in Russian schools in Lithuania, Russian is taught, along with literature, with one subject twice as clockwise in physical education. In total, only three or four subjects are taught in Russian at the RUSSIAN school .... well, and so on do you need details? So you know them ... in Klaipeda under the Soviet regime there were two standard school projects - ours and Lithuanian. In Lithuania, there is a swimming pool, a shooting range, two gyms, an informatics office, a magnificent stadium with modern cover, courts, etc. etc. - we have - from all of the above - a gym and a half-flooded grass stadium with three rusty horizontal bars and gates .... AND SO EVERYWHERE! . I was not offended either in childhood or now, but I am furious about the desolation of how bad we are from those. who is not good at all .... and not half a century ago, but now!
              Regarding the ease of naturalization, tell this to my classmates, three quarters of whom still have not been able to pass the language into the first category .... tell. where do they have the right to work? ... Oh no, you yourself all know this .... why are you silent ... it's dishonest!
              1. motors
                0
                7 July 2012 01: 02
                Your position is clear. I will post as fast as possible to answer questions
          2. Nu daaaa ...
            -2
            6 July 2012 13: 06
            "... Further. Unfortunately. All your formations, without exception, practically did not take part in the battles with the Red Army. The main reason is low combat effectiveness ..."

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tannenberg_Line
            1. +2
              6 July 2012 17: 32
              Well yeah.
              Hello. Sorry, but I don’t read pedagogy - there the reliability of the usual information that is useless to anyone is 50/50, and this (which many are interested in) is negative. If you gave a different link - a more reliable one - you would be grateful.
              1. Nu daaaa ...
                0
                6 July 2012 21: 42
                An integral part of the summer-autumn campaign was the Narva operation of the Leningrad Front, carried out with the aim of crushing the Narva grouping of the pr-ka and liberating the city of Narva. Army group "Narva" of General Frissner's infantry, which was part of Army Group "North", which was commanded by General Regiment Lindemann from 31.03, defended in this direction. On the left flank were 3 SS TCs (division SS Nordland, Netherlands, 20 Estonian div.), in the center of 43 AK (122, 11, 58 pd), on the right flank of 26 AK (225, 170, 227 pd), in the north. the shore of the lake. Pepsi-Jarve defended herself 300 div.os.naz. Formed from 1, 2, 36, 4 Estonian regiments of border guard.

                V. Dines's book "Soviet Shock Armies in Battle".

                By the way, the Soviet troops could not break the Tannenberg line and were forced to break through in the Tartu direction.
  17. +2
    5 July 2012 16: 43
    Recall the Gospel of Luke, chapter 23.
    ... 39 One of the hanged villains cursed Him and said: If You are Christ, save Yourself and us.

    40 But the other, on the contrary, appeased him and said: Or are you not afraid of God, when you yourself are condemned to the same thing? 41and we were condemned fairly, because we accepted the worthy according to our deeds, but He did nothing wrong.

    42 And ​​he said to Jesus: Remember me, Lord, when you come to Your Kingdom!

    43 And ​​Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, now you will be with me in paradise ...


    The Balts are reminiscent of precisely this — the slanderous — thief. At a time when Russia is fighting a terrible battle (almost alone!) For the spiritual salvation of mankind, for all small nations and nationalities (including for them!), These dwarfs nailed to the pillory of History are viciously spitting and scolding their savior - Russia. And in her face - and all of us.
    I will say more: they are not betraying Russia. They betray themselves.
    1. motors
      +1
      5 July 2012 18: 00
      Which was required to prove. You look at your own worldview, and you are not interested in another opinion (toist - we are always right).

      You can consider yourself to be anyone but also to the point. The problem is that many people are not able to beat elementarily tolerant of the opinions of others and react to them according to the principle - If the information / facts / arguments / opinions contradict my views, then it is not automatic!

      In this case, there can be no more in-depth discussions about the processes of Latvia's incorporation into the USSR as it was either “fair” or it should have been done because it was “required” at that time by the “dangerous political situation” for the USSR.

      It’s better to argue with such people, since there is little sense in the goods.
      1. +1
        5 July 2012 20: 49
        motors
        You know. it’s strange for you to hear words about tolerance towards the opinions of other people ... because if we had expressed something like that publicly in any of the Baltic countries, we would instantly be behind bars ... apparently this is the apotheosis of your tolerance .... by the way. and why your tolerance does not allow you to agree with us ... where is it with you, and, present! Or tolerance - this is when they agree only with your arguments ..... and what's the point then to argue with you .....
        By the way - my compliment - I write in Lithuanian, I think with a lot of mistakes ... For this - plus ... but only for that
        1. motors
          -2
          5 July 2012 22: 22
          What exactly is this non-electrical? Let's take it apart.

          The most important thing is respect for the opponent. Unlike many, I don’t throw myself with loud phrases and squabble.
          All that I write is substantiated by facts. The question is in logic, mentality and worldview.
          1. Yoshkin Kot
            +1
            6 July 2012 08: 25
            respect for the nazi? turns out to be one way! a bullet in the back of the head!
            ps and it’s a sin to be offended by the advice to Latvians, otherwise we can roll out the bill for Latvian shooters, cannibals
      2. AIvanA
        +2
        6 July 2012 04: 38
        You are right, of course, you need to listen to the opinions of others and naturally be more tolerant, but excuse me when they call aggression my country, and constantly, they humiliate Russians as a nationality, they scream to the whole world that Russia is trying to enslave it, but my grandfather who died defending his land near Smolensk acupant according to your canons, it’s not an opinion, it’s elementary meanness towards neighbors, but all these fascist delights, by the way condemned even by your European democracy, so proudly raise your head and shoulders, constantly spit on your neighbor, so what opinion about Latvians should perhaps you recall us for 40 years, and we can also recall the 20th century where the Latvian arrows in Russia worked worse than the Nazis, and for the Bolsheviks that you hated.
  18. Shumer
    +2
    5 July 2012 20: 02
    It’s a pity the Baltic states, why did they degrade so much that they consider fascism to be something normal? But in general, it’s not bad people, educated, hardworking, non-drinkers, loving order.
    1. motors
      -2
      5 July 2012 20: 20
      Quote: Shumer

      It’s a pity the Baltic states, why did they degrade so much that they consider fascism to be something normal?



      Well, this is the only way the author imagines.
  19. sapulid
    +6
    5 July 2012 20: 21
    Motors, I, you, I can understand. When they scold my homeland, then I do the same. Now, about the facts. Was there an official decision on joining the USSR? If, YES, then, DOES IT MEET international standards? NOW, ABOUT HARDNESS AND REPRESSION.
    Do you know what LATSKY ARROWS did in Revolutionary Russia? Do not entertain yourself, THEY, were engaged in MAGNESTY, RAPES and executions of the PEOPLE. However, like their successors from the SS. Only the latter are better known in Ukraine and Belarus. Khatyn, their handiwork. By the way, you should go to Kengaraks. There, too, there is a monument to their valor. How many innocents did they torture there?
    Now, about the occupation. WHERE, have you seen the occupiers live worse than the occupiers? They built factories, roads and cities, developed their culture?
    Where is it NOW? WHERE IS YOUR INDUSTRY AND CULTURE? Washes sartirs in England and Ireland? If you want to be respected, stop cheating on the old people who raised Latvia, do not look for enemies, but restore the ruined economy by you.
    1. motors
      0
      5 July 2012 22: 17
      Quote: sapulid
      Motors, I, you, I can understand. When they scold my homeland, then I do the same.


      Thank you for understanding!

      Quote: sapulid
      Was there an official decision on joining the USSR? If, YES, then, DOES IT MEET international standards?


      No. The entry process itself was fiction ...
      1. formed the government of the satellite.
      2. After conducting a meeting in parliament, which immediately came to power in the USSR, only one party participated - the labor bloc. The second party, which was also supposed to participate, was arrested the previous evening by order of this same government.

      The fact itself. That on June 15 Latvia was anticipated with an ultimatum with requirements to actually become satellites; otherwise, tearing it to pieces would say a lot ...


      Quote: sapulid
      NOW, ABOUT HARDNESS AND REPRESSION.
      Do you know what LATSKY ARROWS did in Revolutionary Russia? Do not entertain yourself, THEY, were engaged in MAGNESTY, RAPES and executions of the PEOPLE. However, like their successors from the SS. Only the latter are better known in Ukraine and Belarus. Khatyn, their handiwork. By the way, you should go to Kengaraks. There, too, there is a monument to their valor. How many innocents did they torture there?


      1. These people (the Red Riflemen, Karelei SS, etc.) are called attackers and no one protects them.
      2. It would have been plainly represented by the Latishees and the fact that some bunch of criminals are committing crimes is it that the whole nation should be responsible for this? Latvia as a state at that time did not exist and the Latvian government had nowhere to do with punitive operations.
      But the Soviet government repression implemented systematically and purposefull.


      Quote: sapulid
      Now, about the occupation. WHERE, have you seen the occupiers live worse than the occupiers? They built factories, roads and cities, developed their culture?

      I don’t want to say at will - it’s a cell and the future golden one :)

      Well, the fact is that in Latvia, the best were living regions from other regions of the USSR. For example, queues for an apartment, a local had to live in a little comfortable conditions while a new apartment was seen on a visit.

      Speaking of industry, so it all worked for the needs of the USSR. One meat processing plant in Valvi imported 100% of its products to Moscow. The USSR collapsed and there is no market for sale. And in the West, competing with this product is unprofitable. Although of course some things could be preserved.

      There is an opinion - if Latvia were not incorporated in the USSR, it would have been at the same standard of living as Sweden. at the end of the 30s, Latvia overtook many visitors over Finland and Denmark.

      Quote: sapulid
      Where is it NOW? WHERE IS YOUR INDUSTRY AND CULTURE? Washes sartirs in England and Ireland? If you want to be respected, stop cheating on the old people who raised Latvia, do not look for enemies, but restore the ruined economy by you.

      The problem is not in the elderly ....
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        +2
        6 July 2012 08: 43
        1. These people (the Red Riflemen, Karelei SS, etc.) are called attackers and no one protects them.

        what????? and who walks SS marches along the streets of Riga? Iarsians? completely lie!
        1. motors
          +1
          6 July 2012 21: 34
          March 16 involved those who fought in German units but did not participate in the attacks.

          And where did you see Nazi symbols?
      2. Curious
        0
        14 July 2012 12: 59
        Your enemies are tired .... You talk about respect for the opinions of others, about tolerance, but you yourself do not sin. You cannot sit on two chairs. All this is empty talk. Either you are with us, or against us.
  20. Lexad
    +3
    5 July 2012 20: 28
    By the way, we had a social service in Latvia the other day. the survey and 54% said that they lived better in the USSR than right now. And fascists, they are fascists. Russia must make sure that there are no where. Strong strona huge. By the way, in your opposition there are no fewer of them, which alone is Novodvorskaya.
    1. AIvanA
      0
      6 July 2012 04: 44
      Of course, save us again from the Nazis, Russia, and when you begin to save, we are the whole republic as forest brothers against you, it’s beautiful, but you yourself can really do the right thing, not just shout and blame Russia for all your failures and mistakes.
  21. Odinplys
    +2
    5 July 2012 20: 53
    The impudence ... of the Lithuanian "paitriots" ... there is no limit ....
    But I want to flatter myself ... after the dissolution of the USSR ... I personally knew one thing ... everything will return to normal ... Not for that we built and invested so much in the Baltic States ... that it would be so easy to abandon it. ..
    This is the territory of the Russian Empire ... and so in the end it will be ...
    1. motors
      -3
      5 July 2012 22: 52
      This empire is nothing more than an occupation, but it means violence and repression. And you will be surprised that the limitrophies (who beat the colonies of the empire) are ambiguous to you? :))
      1. ANTRAX
        +1
        6 July 2012 08: 22
        you are completely wrong what an empire is. you distort and weave repressions, colonies everywhere and everywhere.
        1. motors
          0
          6 July 2012 21: 39
          Well, how do you think an empire can exist? Can you cite some example when the Russian empire coveted something voluntarily?

          Can you name at least one empire that so easily gave independence to any people?
          It’s just the British who come to my mind, and at first they tried in various ways to eliminate the seperatists.
  22. laurbalaur
    +2
    5 July 2012 20: 58
    Well, scum Latvian Nazis! My grandfather freed them, ended the war in Daugavpils, my father was born in Riga 01.05.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX, I was born when my father fought in Egypt, my first son was born when I fought in Afghanistan, what the hell are we all releasing, and then we merge? Who needs these gifts?
    1. motors
      -1
      5 July 2012 22: 46
      Then a question
      If you freed, why did you stay?
  23. +3
    5 July 2012 21: 26
    Well, what can I add ..?
    So in a hurry to become independent and fled from the eastern neighbor, that flew into a run into G ... EU ...
    It remains to wait .. when in 10/20 years or more they will already talk about the occupation of the entire Baltic by EU countries ...
  24. Stasi.
    +2
    5 July 2012 22: 36
    The Balts, frankly speaking, have never been independent. Whoever did not own them - Danes, Germans, Swedes and Russians. Unlike the Russians, the Germans, for example, did not consider the Balts to be people as such. They could only count on work as goldsmiths and swineherds. They were forbidden to live in big cities, the only exceptions were those who were servants in German houses or women who were in the so-called "workers of merry houses", famous throughout Northern Europe. As for the rest, a peasant came from a farm, sold everything he could - get out of the city. And this is on their own land! And only joining the Russian Empire allowed the so-called Baltic nobility and intelligentsia to be born. Those who glorify Hitler do not want to remember that according to the Ost plan, all Baltic peoples were subject to Germanization - Latvians, Lithuanians and Estonians as such had to disappear, there is nothing more terrible for any people than to lose their national language and culture, to assimilate. But all this in the modern Baltic states does not even want to hear. Apparently they are so sorry they didn’t become Germans. Although the Germans never considered them theirs.
    1. motors
      -6
      5 July 2012 22: 50
      Know the course of events. But it was not possible to refute the legitimacy of the existence of Latvia as an independent state. When the Republic of Latvia was formed, it was recognized by most countries of the world, including the USSR (and Russia is the successor of the USSR in the legal aspect). And in the peace treaty between Latvia and the USSR, the latter is clearly obligated waives claims on the territory and the people of Latvia for centuries.
      1. AIvanA
        +2
        6 July 2012 04: 50
        Of course, we don’t know history well, only Mr. Ulyanov handed out independence to everyone if he could sit in power, and I don’t remember something like Latvia until 1917 if I’m not right, and there are such nations as shit, chukhon, all .. ... do they say anything to you? In general, go deeper yourself a little deeper and you’ll understand that you shouldn’t refer to Istria, and that bloody feud that has been going on since 1914 and continues to this day to be cited as a historical argument is still not worth it, the time span is too short, and references to the UN cite me , all sorts of international institutions, but honestly this is a fiction, an apparatus of pressure on all those who disagree with the Anglo-American type of democracy and, in fact, with their consent, all the bloodiest events in the world took place.
  25. sapulid
    +4
    6 July 2012 00: 36
    Motors, I'm sorry for you. You claim that the process of joining the USSR is illegitimate, but you cannot provide either a UN document or the International Court of Justice recognizing illegitimacy.

    Claiming the requirement of knowledge of Russian at employment, you cannot provide the corresponding legal act. Language inspection, fines for LACK OF KNOWLEDGE!

    Claiming support for Russian schools, you can provide only a list of abbreviations. Russian channels and theaters on self-sufficiency. Foreign literature libraries are rare.
    The Nazis, in your Diet, are part of the majority bloc. Processions of fagots and Natsik are not uncommon. Recently I lived for 2 years in Riga, I know the topic, not by hearsay. The authorities support both those and those. Apparently this is inseparable :)

    I recommend that you experience the naturalization process in your own skin. My mother-in-law has been trying for 10 years, with free Latvian.

    When you talk about the golden cage, you don’t remember that the cage came to Russia in LATSKY bayonets, that everyone else lived in rust, not being occupied.

    Now you have a free country. Poor beggar, DYING, PATRIOTS DEVELOPED COUNTRY! Then, WHY, AGAIN, HANDED THE MANAGEMENT OF THE COUNTRY TO ANOTHER UNCLE? LISBON AGREEMENT RATIFIED! Damn, well, such a country, which itself climbs from one cell into the yoke of another, does not arouse respect.

    Live as you want. The population will soon die out or corrode in peace. It will be a wonderful place for dumps from around the world or for the resettlement of French and German ghettos. It’s a pity, friendly policy towards Russia, you could raise the country. However, you made your choice, and we guys are not vindictive, only evil, we, for humiliation ON ETHNIC SOIL and memory, we have a good one.
    1. motors
      -2
      6 July 2012 02: 37
      Quote: sapulid

      Motors, I'm sorry for you. You claim that the process of joining the USSR is illegitimate, but you cannot provide either a UN document or the International Court of Justice recognizing illegitimacy.


      1. The 1983 resolution of the European Parliament, which condemns the occupation of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia by the Soviet Union.
      2. Practically not one country with the exception of the Warsaw block countries and maybe even Kubi did not at the time not recognize the incorporation of the Baltic countries into the USSR. (USA, Canada Great Britain, etc.) Latvian embassies continued to operate in these countries

      there are other documents about this


      Quote: sapulid
      Claiming the requirement of knowledge of Russian at employment, you cannot provide the corresponding legal act. Language inspection, fines for LACK OF KNOWLEDGE!



      And if I go to work in Moscow and I will not be able to speak Russian, they will fine me too. Well, this is law enforcement. In everyday life in Riga or Daugavpils, you can easily get along with a Russian. Is not it?


      Quote: sapulid
      Claiming support for Russian schools, you can provide only a list of abbreviations. Russian channels and theaters on self-sufficiency. Foreign literature libraries are rare.


      Well, the Latvian schools are shrinking .. But how do you think you can hold on to the schools? So, for example, they completely reinstated the Ukrainian school in Riga.


      Quote: sapulid
      The Nazis, in your Diet, are part of the majority bloc. Processions of fagots and Natsik are not uncommon. Recently I lived for 2 years in Riga, I know the topic, not by hearsay. The authorities support both those and those. Apparently this is inseparable :)


      the fact that you lived in Riga doesn’t mean anything. For some reason, you have a very negative attitude towards Latvia. As for the VL-TB / LNNK National Bloc, this is a party that has a legal sense and sense. The radicalism of the nationalist party in Latvia is the National Specification Savieniba and the Perkonkrusts, which is led by a certain Igor Shishkin (just like "natural" latish :))


      Quote: sapulid
      I recommend that you experience the naturalization process in your own skin. My mother-in-law has been trying for 10 years, with free Latvian.


      Well then, there are good reasons for that. Naturalization is not only a language but also citizenship.
      Those acquaintances of Kotoria also went through this process on similar things

      Quote: sapulid
      When you talk about the golden cage, you don’t remember that the cage came to Russia in LATSKY bayonets, that everyone else lived in rust, not being occupied.


      1. The entire infrastructure created in Soviet times was aimed at servicing the USSR and was not profitable, and after the collapse of the need there were huge funds that weren’t.
      Plus all this left a significant pollution of nature. Tarmon swamps chevo stand ...

      2. For the USSR not to do in terms of the economy, this does not justify deportation of the local population or illegal nationalization (robbery in good faith) of property.
      Speaking of vulgar comparisons, the author of the article is the same as raping a woman and then acquitting herself by investing in her blog, buying a house and occupying the only heated room ...

      3. The Latvian arrows did not represent Latvia as a state, but fought against its independence on the side of Lenin. These were used mercenaries. And there were very few of them (if I was unmistakable, one division) and the great Russia could cope. But for some reason, this failed, alas ...

      Quote: sapulid
      Now you have a free country. Poor beggar, DYING, PATRIOTS DEVELOPED COUNTRY! Then, WHY, AGAIN, HANDED THE MANAGEMENT OF THE COUNTRY TO ANOTHER UNCLE? LISBON AGREEMENT RATIFIED! Damn, well, such a country, which itself climbs from one cell into the yoke of another, does not arouse respect.


      And what relation does the present situation in Latvia have to the 1940 processes?
      As I have already said, an economy was developed in Latvia which, in many ways, overtook Denmark and Finland. If we were not touched, we would have lived at least as much as Sweden.
      Well, I will answer in order.

      1. Latvia has experienced a very tezhy period in economic terms but successfully! The international assistance program has been prematurely completed, plus Latvia has this year taken the lead in GDP growth in the entire EU.

      2. What do you know about European law? All EU members have ratified such an agreement, so what?
      3. You speak from one union to another ....
      If, upon joining the EU, the people of Latvia voted, then in 1940 such privileges did not exist among the people ... The parliament, which consisted of 100% of the labor bloc, decided so for everyone

      Quote: sapulid
      Live as you want.

      We would be happy!

      Quote: sapulid
      The population will soon die out or corrode in peace. It will be a wonderful place for dumps from around the world or for the resettlement of French and German ghettos



      :))))


      Quote: sapulid
      It’s a pity, friendly policy towards Russia, you could raise the country.

      for many reasons this is utopia, alas ...
      Quote: sapulid
      only evil, we, for humiliation ON ETHNIC GROUND and memory, we have, good.



      Where and who humbled you on ethnic grounds? Please - fact

      If they would humiliate the Russians. Could more than 150 naturalization. Could the army and the police 000/1 or 4/1 consist of non-Latin? Could beat the mayors of Riga Russian? I’m not talking about the private sector or officials ..


      And, please, please, without emotion. I have nothing against you. Although our eyes are in many ways very different.
      no offense
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        -1
        6 July 2012 08: 33
        are you saying facts? who helped the Jews win the civil war in Russia? Who guarded the blanks and brackets? By the way, in My city the Latvians established the power of the Bolsheviks, so that calm down, it would not hurt to kill a Latvian for every Russian killed by the Bolsheviks, you will quickly end
        And what relation does the present situation in Latvia have to the 1940 processes?
        As I have already said, an economy was developed in Latvia which, in many ways, overtook Denmark and Finland. If we were not touched, we would have lived at least as much as Sweden.
        Well, I will answer in order.

        write fairy tales, agrarian dead end your eternal destiny
        1. The entire infrastructure created in Soviet times was aimed at servicing the USSR and was not profitable, and after the collapse of the need there were huge funds that weren’t.
        Plus all this left a significant pollution of nature. Tarmon swamps chevo stand ...

        hit hee hee, how many years after that you lived on Russian transit? But how do Europeans care about your prosperity? Ask the Lithuanians where their nuclear power plants are.
        Well then, there are good reasons for that. Naturalization is not only a language but also citizenship.
        Those acquaintances of Kotoria also went through this process on similar things

        are you telling a story? the history of the genocide of people in the Baltic states by fascist henchmen?
        1. The 1983 resolution of the European Parliament, which condemns the occupation of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia by the Soviet Union.
        2. Practically not one country with the exception of the Warsaw block countries and maybe even Kubi did not at the time not recognize the incorporation of the Baltic countries into the USSR. (USA, Canada Great Britain, etc.) Latvian embassies continued to operate in these countries

        there are other documents about this

        So what? Tebie recall when the same states recognized the independence of Latvia? as if 10 years after the occupation by Germany of part of the territory of the Empire.
        but they all recognized, do not forget, no one doubted the Soviet citizenship of the Latvian sailors, and they themselves are the same, that’s who could wash off at any port laughing
        1. motors
          +1
          6 July 2012 22: 30
          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          are you saying facts? who helped the Jews win the civil war in Russia? Who guarded the blanks and brackets? By the way, in My city the Latvians established the power of the Bolsheviks, so that calm down, it would not hurt to kill a Latvian for every Russian killed by the Bolsheviks, you will quickly end



          You are probably a supporter of blood feud or the principle of lex talionis .. Well, I suppose that it just happened spontaneously. As a lawyer, I adhere to the principle that someone who has committed a crime must answer. and if there are no guilty, we must condemn them and recognize them as criminals

          In this case, I do not accept your reproaches towards the red shooters. At least for the simple reason that they themselves fought against the temporary national government of Latvia and fully recognized themselves as international communists fighting against world imperialism (and personally I consider them simply mercenaries. They received money for this and not malia). Latvia as a state did not have any power over them.
          And in 1940, Soviet intelligence services were operating in Latvia and they were led from Moscow ... True, few of them were Russian (when I talk about advice, I don’t immediately understand Russians ...) the majority were Jews (By the way, there was a big scandal when some politicians Virazilis that the Jews should be morally responsible for the past).
          And for the responsibility of the Latvian arrows, they are responsible themselves and their political leadership - Lenin and the Bolsheviks ...


          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          write fairy tales, agrarian dead end your eternal destiny


          I do not understand the basis of your skepticism. In Latvia, you paid very much attention to the development of rural economy and in the second half of the 30s, when the economy in Europe was rapidly improving, then the demand for food increased .. One oil was exported a lot ...
          Latvia made a big leap if it were to bear in mind that half of Latvia was a desert without the end of the war without any kind of industrial infrastructure.


          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          hit hee hee, how many years after that you lived on Russian transit? But how do Europeans care about your prosperity? Ask the Lithuanians where their nuclear power plants are.


          At one time there was oil (transit), the remaining non-existent in quantity. About 10 years ago.
          And the rest of the industry immediately became ...

          As for the European Union, you incorrectly understand the principle of functioning. The EU is not a fish but a fishing rod. Toch, as Sumyish himself crawled up with possibilities, you will live like that.
          A beautiful example of this is Finland. It is not a secret that until 1991 the economy of this country worked for sales in the USSR. After the collapse of the union, there was a deep crisis that ended after joining the EU. Rationally using euro funds, it was successfully possible to reorient the economy. You know how finishes live.

          As for the NPP, then there is a debate to the fullest, whether we just need it, or, we can get along with alternative sources.


          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          are you telling a story? the history of the genocide of people in the Baltic states by fascist henchmen?


          I have written many times on this subject and have presented enough facts that there are no problems between Russian speakers and Latvians.
          One acquaintance (Russian) who entered the Latvian Military Academy a couple of years ago in a conversation used to say that everyone who protests against the reform of Russian schools is essentially an unwelcome student (it is more interesting to protest).
          The moral is that there are no integration problems for those who wish. Here is even the statistics





          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          So what? Tebie recall when the same states recognized the independence of Latvia? as if 10 years after the occupation by Germany of part of the territory of the Empire.
          but they all recognized, do not forget, no one doubted the Soviet citizenship of the Latvian sailors, and they themselves are the same, that’s who could wash off at any port



          1. de jure nitko did not recognize such a fact (!)

          2. speaking of markings, it is rare that anyone managed to get into the merchant fleet. If Mariak did not have her own family, then the ego just nowhere to go. I know the specific cases when an athlete (orphan) was not allowed abroad.

          3. What is the relationship between recognition of citizenship and recognition of the status of a state?
      2. sapulid
        +1
        6 July 2012 11: 26
        1Tell me, since when did the Resolution of the European Parliament become an ANALOGUE of JUDICIAL DOCUMENT? This is YOUR INTERSTELLER, with unclear powers and functions, whose Resolutions are RECOMMENDED.
        The United States and England recognized the borders of post-war Europe at the Yalta Conference. Maybe there is something about INDEPENDENT LATVIA? Please remind me :)

        2 You did not refute the thesis that you are LIES, speaking of the mandatory knowledge of the Russian language in employment.

        3 Thesis on the support of schools. in the same situation.

        4 According to the Nazis, the same. By the way, Shishkins, is this a Russian surname? In addition, you should know that he is recognized as the BEST OF BIRTH.

        5 About naturalization. If you were sent by a catwalk to build cities in Lavia and you’ve been a simple worker all your life, but you refuse to recognize yourself as an acceptor, then your passport does not shine for you.

        6 Were they mercenaries? Then, why, until now, in the center of Riga, a monument to mercenaries? You brought infection to Russia and suffered from it. Russian, was deported more. What, now, how will you pay for it? I agree with you the thesis about changing the country's infrastructure. But what about the enterprises of electronics, mechanical engineering, electric locomotive building, oil refining, shipping companies, agriculture? Where is everyone? Why, others found the strength not to plunder but to modernize (the same, Lithuania and Estonia are leaders in the agricultural industry and construction), and you, and we are to blame for this.

        7 Denmark and Finland were backward agricultural countries at the turn of the 40s. Would you still compare with Burma :) Your country's leadership in the EU in terms of GDP growth? Look out the window. WHO CAN ALREADY LEAVE!

        8 Tell me, where else, besides Latvia and Estonia, is a situation possible where the regional majority of the population is deprived of the right to communicate in their native language? The Russian language has not been given any status, except for a foreign one, in the presence of almost half of the Russian-speaking population! What is there about the ethnic group? Violent assimilation? Again, Heil Hitler?
        1. motors
          -1
          7 July 2012 00: 59
          Quote: sapulid
          About naturalization. If you were sent by a catwalk to build cities in Lavia and you’ve been a simple worker all your life, but you refuse to recognize yourself as an acceptor, then your passport does not shine for you.



          What does "ocupant" mean? there is no occupation in Latvia. The invaders can be counted as Soviet troops in Latvia, etc. The term ocupant is a term for political manipulation in northern Latvia (and not sense in Latvia).

          Maybe it was a question of recognizing the illegal incorporation of Latvia into the USSR - this is a matter of principle (For Latvian, the refusal to recognize violence as incorporation in the USSR is the same as naturalization in Russia refused to admit that Germany was aggressors in 1941 and that some punitive actions against peaceful ones did not take place etc)

          And so it’s hard for me to understand what prevented your relatives from naturalizing ...



          Quote: sapulid
          1Tell me, since when did the Resolution of the European Parliament become an ANALOGUE of JUDICIAL DOCUMENT? This is YOUR INTERSTELLER, with unclear powers and functions, whose Resolutions are RECOMMENDED.
          The United States and England recognized the borders of post-war Europe at the Yalta Conference. Maybe there is something about INDEPENDENT LATVIA? Please remind me :)


          I can’t even answer the blow right away. There are still quite a lot of documents, resolutions, etc., and for the time being it will be difficult to find the answer to the question that you are specifically interested in - has the UN condemned it? But I am obliged to share this information with Swami and how to find it.


          In Yalta (the battle to lie about the details), the United States and the British agreed that the Baltic would remain in the USSR with the conditions that after the war there will be a choice of self-determination

          Quote: sapulid
          You did not refute the thesis that you are LIES, speaking of the mandatory knowledge of the Russian language in employment.


          And I did not say that such a norm exists (law, norm.act, etc.). It’s just that someone will not take you to work in the service sector if you do not speak Russian. It is not for nothing that in the Sejm of representations the national bloc comes up with initiatives to issue normative acts prohibiting the requirement for a candidate for vacancy to have knowledge of a concrete foreign language



          Quote: sapulid
          Thesis on the support of schools. in the same situation.


          About 5 years ago, a delegation from the State Duma of the Russian Federation visited Latvia. And after visiting several Russian schools, one of the delegates stated that there are no problems and that in Latvia Russian schools are in better condition than many schools in Russia itself


          Quote: sapulid
          According to the Nazis, the same. By the way, Shishkins, is this a Russian surname? In addition, you should know that he is recognized as the BEST OF BIRTH.


          the letter "C" at the end of surnames is a feature of the grammar of the Latvian language.
          There is no word bump in Latvian.

          Shishkin himself is a very marginal person and, as he himself admitted, to the CLUBS journalist, that he has a Russian father and his mother is Latvian (and hardly has blue blood). It’s enough to get a Latvietis note in your passport.


          Quote: sapulid
          Were they mercenaries?


          and who else are you like?


          Quote: sapulid
          Then, why, until now, in the center of Riga, a monument to mercenaries?


          1. The concept of "Latvian shooter" has much wider meaning than just red arrows (although it was built for them in Soviet times). Concepts Latish arrows appeared as early as 1915, when, according to the national principle, the formation of battalions (and then regiments) of riflemen fought on the side of the Republic of Ingushetia against the German invaders. They fought near Riga and really held back the German onslaught (which is interesting that memorial days are still held in honor of the (tsar's) riflemen, reminiscent of the day of legionnaires. Only about this kipish nobody does). And disappointment in the Tsarist generals (krupie and unnecessary losses) and the effective impact of the Bolshevist propaganda, some of them went into the service of Lenin (at that time they were practically the only combat-ready formations in Ingushetia) and that had an effect.

          Now they decided to perceive the monument as a monument to the shooters of even tsarist Russia.


          Quote: sapulid
          You brought infection to Russia and suffered from it. Russian, was deported more. What, now, how will you pay for it?


          In this case, I do not accept your reproaches towards the red shooters. At least for the simple reason that they themselves fought against the temporary national government of Latvia and fully recognized themselves as international communists fighting against world imperialism (and personally I consider them simply mercenaries. They received money for this and not malia). Latvia as a state did not have any power over them.

          And that means responsibility. As I already mentioned Vishe- Responsibility, they themselves and their political leadership (Bolsheviks).


          Quote: sapulid
          But what about the enterprises of electronics, mechanical engineering, electric locomotive building, oil refining, shipping companies, agriculture? Where is everyone?


          I really don’t understand what relation does this have to 1940 and the question of the causes and mechanism of incorporation of Latvia into the USSR?

          And why is there a difference between the Baltic countries in this matter? This is a matter of economic policy.


          Quote: sapulid
          Denmark and Finland were backward agricultural countries at the turn of the 40s. Would you still compare with Burma :) Your country's leadership in the EU in terms of GDP growth? Look out the window. WHO CAN ALREADY LEAVE!



          The important thing is that if the USSR would not have been in the natural development of Latvia, then now we would have been richer than the Scandinavians and not poorer than them now


          Well, what I'm telling you is statistics. If everyone had left, how would the economy grow and successfully complete international financial assistance (Greece is still tormented)?


          Quote: sapulid
          Tell me, where else, besides Latvia and Estonia, is a situation possible where the regional majority of the population is deprived of the right to communicate in their native language?


          You are exaggerated. Nowhere is it safe to speak any language. I already mentioned the social experiment when they imitated a non-knowing Latvian Latvian citizen who turned to different municipal and state institutions - and nowhere (although they could) there were no problems - officials switched to Russian.
          And try it yourself when you are in Latvia.

          And on the sidelines with the status of the language, because if Russian knows practically every Latvian, a significant part of Russian-speaking people don’t know and often do not want to learn Latvian. If I go to Daugavpils (where I have concentrated specifically Russian), where Russian is more in use than Latvian (!) Then not everyone will be able to answer me in Latvian. It turns out that not only Russian, but the Latvian language is discriminated against (!) ... And it is only thanks to the laws that it is possible to defend the position of the state language. And that only requires that you know and you can speak as you like and as convenient
  26. Stasi.
    -1
    6 July 2012 17: 22
    More from the story. After the end of the Northern War with Sweden, Estonia, Latgale and Lithuania, which were under the protectorate of Sweden, went to Russia. In return, Peter the Great paid the Swedes about two million Dutch guilders for these lands, according to the Nistadt Treaty. This means that the Baltic lands belong to Russia! We just bought the Baltic states! Thus, all their claims about the occupation are just nonsense.
    1. Nu daaaa ...
      0
      6 July 2012 18: 14
      By the same logic, you, sir, can still be free as a slave — 200 years ago, Russian peasants were bought, sold or exchanged for dogs and cattle ... since among my ancestors there were German landowners, you can also be mine ...
      1. 0
        7 July 2012 14: 45
        And you also know how to copy ??? !!! One and the same comment in different articles. develop imagination ...
  27. Lexad
    -4
    6 July 2012 20: 56
    Guys do not judge people in the country by a bunch of morons. 40% of the Russian speakers in our country and believe me, 85% of them would like to be occupied.
  28. x45ssdffsf
    0
    7 July 2012 01: 01
    Well, from what have already reached, imagine there is a site http://poisski.notlong.com
    In which you can find any person only by last name, or first name,
    Collected information from the social. networks, police, etc.
    Our specials are even involved here. service, I don’t know, the truth is - but all the information about me, my husband and my children was here.
    Even photos that I never threw on the Internet, I’m at a loss.
    It’s good that I deleted it on time, which I advise you

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