Konstantin Semin spoke about the degrading aircraft industry in the post-Soviet space

In Ukraine, there was a disco on the territory of the Ukrainian State Museum aviation. We are talking about the territory located near the Zhuliany airport. On approximately 20 hectares the territory of the museum contained dozens of helicopters, fighter jets, missile carriers. And all this exposition is more reminiscent of a large aviation cemetery, which was previously an integral part of the power of a huge state - the USSR.

Now for Ukraine the word "USSR" itself is unacceptable, and therefore unacceptable, and much of what is connected with the Soviet past. Even if this is a technological component that allowed Ukraine itself to be among the most developed republics of the Soviet Union.

The program Agitprop Konstantin Semin says that in the Museum of Aviation of Ukraine now for a fee you can hold parties, corporate parties and other events, not only in the hangar, but also on board some aircraft, including the exhibit "board number one."

Konstantin Semin wonders how famous Soviet aircraft designer Oleg Antonov would have responded to the news of the possibility of a banquet on the plane.

The program recalls how, after the collapse of the USSR, "Bulgarian" cut strategic bombers under the approving exclamations of the western "partners."

Also added about the sale of about a quarter of the assets of the Ukrainian factory for the production of aircraft engines to Chinese companies.

But problems with the maintenance of aircraft museums, with the aircraft industry as a whole, are characteristic not only for Ukraine, but also for Russia. Many open-air museums have become a place where the exhibits literally fall apart before our eyes. Aircraft companies are going through new waves of optimization. Aviation in the former Soviet Union land, the aircraft degrades? Or is this an exaggeration?

About all this more in the issue of "Agitprop":

Comments

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Of course, everything is exaggerated !!! Agitprom he is agitprom, which would exaggerate to influence the brains of the masses ... But seriously - the problems have always been and will be. Some people need large airplanes for long distances within the country, some small ones, some need military airplanes for peace, and others for war. And aviation museums have always been the brainchild of enthusiasts and fans of aviation (and not only Soviet).

[Mazuta]

Agitprom is a new kind of industry ?!

[210ox]

An aviation enthusiast and fan will let you ride on your wings?

[Vitaly Tsymbal]

Quote: 210ox

An aviation enthusiast and fan will let you ride on your wings?

An enthusiast and a fan will not allow it, but the person who is responsible for the safety of air museums, if there is no state support, will allow choosing the lesser evil: either let him jump on the wing or cut the least valuable piece for scrap metal to buy paint and paint over the rust. Life is a harsh thing !!! By the way, in Stavropol, Il-18 stood and now stands in the park, so in Soviet times there was a children's cinema inside the airplane (discos appeared later) ... About times, about morals ... Or rather, what times, such mores)))

[TAMBU]

And aviation museums have always been the brainchild of aviation enthusiasts and fans

In Washington, he is state ... in Paris, it seems, but also not exactly ... in Athens, state ... but in general there are not so many of them in the world ...

[210ox]

We have at least two of them, Monino and in Ulyanovsk. Although the condition is not so hot.

[TAMBU]

To be honest, they are more like cemeteries ... but (it seems) in Ulyanovsk there are a lot of exhibits in good condition, but about Monino I have an idea only from stories and photos ... and it’s not very positive)

[210ox]

I drove several times in Ulyanovsk near the site of aviation equipment before turning to the airport. Unfortunately, I was not at the museum itself. It looks really good on the outside.

[Alien From]

There is no sphere of activity in the Russian Federation where mattress pigs do not have a hand!

[Greg Miller]

The main message of this video is not airplanes, but the fact that Russia is no longer so global as Ukraine ....

[Vadim237]

The nuclear industry, agriculture, weapons, as well as the production of titanium parts and billets, for the whole world - these areas are really global, Ukraine was not around. And this is far from all the global realities of Russian industry.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

The author in the video said everything, an avid official will destroy Russia.

[gabonskijfront]

the official is always and everywhere greedy both in China and in Germany and with us, I worked as an electrician in the regional administration, around dear people, patriots, patrons, jokers, but as soon as I saw some kind of cut, everyone becomes like zombies, as if their vampires had bitten .

[New Year day]

Quote: gabonskijfront

.... but as soon as some kind of cut went, everyone becomes like zombies, as if their vampires had bitten ...

.... they really want to eat

[Uncle lee]

Something you them so gently! Eat, eat and eat!

[New Year day]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Something you them so gently! Eat, eat and eat!

I want to speak culturally. but everyone understands the background

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Silvestr

speak culturally

The desire is laudable ... But this does not apply to this part of the population!

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

I agree about the bureaucrats, only in China they often make a hole in their head, and they plant it in our country, and they are fined much less than they stole.

[Victorio]

Or is this an exaggeration?
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understatement

[knn54]

Of the tragedies, they began to make shows more often. Plants are not needed, land is needed.
But they can close MAI, KhAI ...- where graduates work.
The ONLY thing that "consoles" is that competences in aircraft construction are relatively quickly restored — Iran, for example.

[Dart2027]

The Russian Defense Ministry bought a batch of Su-57 fighters and Mi-28NM helicopters from the United Aircraft Corporation.
The contract was signed in the presence of Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Army-2019 exhibition. The contract provides for the supply of 76 fighters. This is the number of aircraft that the President demanded to purchase in May this year.
The UAC press release states that the first production fighter will be delivered to the Russian Air Force by the end of 2019.
Last year, at the Army-2018 forum, a contract was signed for the supply of only the first two Su-57s - in 2019 and 2020.
The batch of attack helicopters Mi-28NM, according to the contract, will be 98 aircraft.
https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-48778259

[Cresta999]

1. Future tense (again)
2. A negligible amount (again)

[Dart2027]

Quote: Cresta999

Future tense (again)

1) The contract is signed (for the first time)
2) These are not the only planes and helicopters (others are already entering the troops)

[Cresta999]

It is very difficult to answer without a mat. Do not tempt.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Cresta999

It is very difficult to answer without a mat

Of course, there is nothing to answer.

[Fan-fan]

There is something to answer. Why didn't you write that the contract is valid until 2028? This is almost 10 years and it turns out that they plan to produce 7 or 8 cars a year. Firstly, a minuscule amount that does not cover the natural decline, and secondly, when our contracts were fulfilled on time, there was always a "right" in time. And Putin will not be in power in 28, there will be no one to ask. As a result, this will result in the next "May decree" of the president.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Fan-Fan

And why didn’t you write that the contract is valid until 2028?

Quote: Dart2027

These are not the only planes and helicopters

Quote: Fan-Fan

secondly - and when our contracts were fulfilled on time, there was always a "right" in time

With aviation? Oh really?

[Vadim237]

"Firstly, a minuscule that does not cover the natural decline." I am more than confident that with your experience in production, these figures will significantly increase.

[rocket757]

The temptingly insidious word optimization .... in our case, is tantamount to a desire to ditch something! And so it will always be when the business is handed over to the "golden - effective managers"! Shaw for such a profession, where is this nonsense ???? After all, there was also one of their own, which skillfully and effectively work !!! True, before the plan began, the shaft was driven, and not the required products to be produced.
Yes, in the West the system is settled, it works, but centuries have come to that !!! And we thoughtlessly went over, we broke everything, but they don’t know how to build, and their teachers didn’t have such a task, to learn how to build. The goal was one, to destroy the GREAT country!
Now we have, then we have. Just right to reincarnate a friend in pince-nez ..... Schaub taught the Ned-O-Umkov and enemies cleaned !!! Not desktop for, but for the vital work of our country!

[Goldmitro]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

The author in the video said everything, an avid official will destroy Russia.
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Today in Russia, and throughout the world rules greed
! The classics of Marxism-Leninism spoke correctly - there is no such crime that capital would not go to for three hundred percent of the profit. And this is especially typical for today's Russia, where our "businessmen" and officials, who are mad with greed, are already making huge profits by world standards and are eager to get even more, not giving a damn about laws and morality! Greed is the cause of so many human tragedies, the growing poverty of the people! The opportunity to snatch more in Russia attracts both foreign "investors" and various swindlers. It's time to introduce the concept of greed into the criminal code, which implies unlimited, nothing unlimited profit margins that should be punished!

[Asian]

From the balcony of my apartment I can see how the aviation industry is bent specifically in Saratov. In the late 90s and early 40s, the Yak-XNUMX took off from the SAZ runway at least once a month, then the flights stopped, then the production and administrative premises were demolished to a fen, except for one, the largest, now Auchan opened in it, in one part of the demolished built a residential area "Aviator", and most of it was overgrown with weeds of incredible height ..... In another area of ​​the city, where avionics were produced, there is now a business center "Navigator". Yes, there is still a hangar in which they once made a rocket that demolished Powers, for a start, they collected flying saucers !!!!, but something went wrong, and the case was closed, and now some panels are riveted in it ... Citizens, at that time endowed with power, and who were engaged in this process, settled safely in Muscovy, some of them write memoirs of how they heroically tried to defend the SAZ, but the type of force was unequal, so a kirdyk naturally came to the aviation industry in Saratov, and this process was inevitable .....

[donavi49]

Well there is no chance. Well, who needs an 3 propulsion 19 or 34 airplane with a range of less than 3000 km?

Who will fly on this? Passengers? The airline goes bankrupt very quickly. Because there are few routes, but expenses:
- a lot of fuel
- 3 payee flight crew
- regular withdrawal from flights for maintenance and regulations
- Each regulation is much longer and more expensive than that of competitors, because the architecture of maximum assistance to technicians has not yet been introduced. The roughly structurally identical procedure on an airplane using this architecture is to do it faster and require less operations.

Total ticket will be three times more expensive than competitors, you can bury.

Business? Who needs a business aircraft without range? There are even federal agencies buying Falcons:
Ministry of Health explained the need for a French Falcon-7X aircraft to officials
Federal Medical and Biological Agency, accountable to the Ministry of Health, need a French Falcon-7X aircraft, as it is cheaper than analogues and more convenient for individual evacuation of patients.
Now FMBA has only An-74, it is still "mothballed" due to the end of the resource capabilities of Ukrainian-made engines.

The same aircraft (also 30 takeoff but 11000km range - having forgiven 2700 at Anchor) were bought for transportation of the first persons to the Arctic Ocean:

There are all sorts of Gulf Stream. For example, 450 with the same take-off as Yak flies to 8500km, gives the necessary comfort in the cabin for dear guests + 2 pilot and 2 engine.

There Meridian packed a business salon there on 18 seats and carries all kinds of business people from Moscow and the European part to the USA.

Therefore, SAZ has zero chances, their planes are just a cave age and nobody needs them now. Unfortunately.

And they collected not flying saucers, but ECIP, one prototype and one prototype. Layout collected. No prototype. Given the fact that the Americans who hunted for all Red Mercury and other SECRETSOVIET did not just get acquainted, they bought all the documentation and were interested in starting flight tests, as well as transporting production to the USA. But in the end, 20 years have already passed, and Ekranoleta still do not fly, then the topic is at the level of string transport and other things like that.

[Cresta999]

If the state is far-sighted, it will contain an airline with illiquid, but its own aircraft. It is obvious.

[donavi49]

Not always. You can’t bend over here. For:
- if they take any illiquid assets, then why develop? The state will support.

This must be avoided. For then no state will be enough, if the whole industry (and here another mechanism already works, if any noncompetitive equipment is compensated and lobbied for others, then why is our plant worse? We also want to degrade for budget money) will switch to this scheme = in fact the death of the country , or rather, the transition to the banana republic.

[AU Ivanov.]

That was exactly how the Soviet aircraft industry was ruined. The release of uncompetitive aircraft.

[ruivit1988]

Well, an airplane doesn’t need this, then the question was why it was necessary to destroy the enterprises. One could design and build other aircraft. But who is there the most important personnel, the cadre, after all, engineering needs to be raised for a very long time. These are managers and all kinds of traders there, you can quickly prepare, but working hands to teach an airplane to build it is much more difficult.

[parusnik]

Exaggerated, just the opposite

[Ali Kokand]

There was a large country with a population of about 280-300 million. And aviation was also adequately worthy. And the boys living near the airdromes dreamed of flying, although they knew the Russian language poorly. After that, there was an incentive to learn the language, because you want to fly. The most favorite was Yak 12. I liked it very much. The film was about a boy who bit his father / sharks / flew to Yak 12, and flew! The militants rested, there was such a film. And then the airfield was closed, and only dreams remained.

[Uncle lee]

And the film is called The Last Inch.

[AU Ivanov.]

And the Yak-12 played the role of Fairchild Argus

[MBRSS]

Here, Monino presents a no less depressing picture. Airplanes and helicopters are shabby, they look awkward and wretched on the grass. Heart bleeds.
The state does not seem to care about the historical heritage and pride of the USSR.

[AviamuseumUA]

Hi all!
I am an employee of the State Aviation Museum and am ready to answer all questions about our "cemetery")))
I will correct the top starter, the museum did not host a "disco" but a recording and stream of the performance of one of the best European electronic music artists in the Cercle project. Who is not too lazy - google, wonder where else this project was noted.
Do not believe it, not a single exhibit was damaged, everything went calmly and culturally. The museum earned money, and more than a million Internet users around the world found out about it, as the counter tells us by watching the stream in fb.
In addition, it is not entirely clear what the author means by "board number 1" - apparently we are talking about the Il-86. Yes, it is available to test various activities BUT strictly alcohol-free and only during the daytime. We are talking about children's activities, presentation, etc. Yes, with the proper level of funding, this would not have happened, but we have the means to maintain the aircraft in good condition. For example, it was completely washed last fall.
In addition, our collections are constantly expanding. We are waiting for the arrival from Antonov, the presidential Il-62 will come soon, a lot more on the little things.
Ask questions, scold dill, I will answer everything) Peace and kindness to true aviation enthusiasts.

[Cresta999]

The fact that you are trying to survive is understandable. But it doesn’t cancel what the video says. The situation is really terrible. A strong developed country has collapsed out of the blue and now we have fragments of the state, fighting among themselves under the strict guidance of shepherds, skillfully playing on nationalistic feelings while simultaneously stuffing their pockets selling the heritage of this state.

[AviamuseumUA]

We are not "trying to survive", we are developing :)

[orcinus]

I have always written and will repeat: the civil aircraft industry in Russia has been destroyed! "Tombstone" - a shopping center at the site of the SAZ (Saratov Aviation Plant). There are no domestic hints on the development of short-, medium- and long-haul liners; in all segments, only Boeings and Airbuses. Most annoying are the "hurray-adepts" of the superjet, in which there are only Russian flight attendants.

[AU Ivanov.]

Civil aircraft industry destroyed in the late seventies. Obsolete types of aircraft cannot be riveted endlessly. What was in the 60s at the world level is hopelessly outdated in the 80s.

[Beringovsky]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

Civil aircraft industry destroyed in the late seventies. Obsolete types of aircraft cannot be riveted endlessly. What was in the 60s at the world level is hopelessly outdated in the 80s.

Nonsense, I can tell for sure. Our aircraft industry was quite competitive, with the help of the state. But the state preferred to help the oligarchs get rich. So it was in the 90s, and under Putin. It was under Putin that our aviation industry was finished off. And now they are finishing off mechanical engineering. Only the fool does not see - Putin is not at all the "savior" of Russia he is portrayed to be.

[AU Ivanov.]

Our aircraft industry in the 80s became completely uncompetitive. Low engine life, high fuel consumption and the associated low range, four-membered crews, primitive avionics. Western counterparts of our most popular Tu-154, with the same take-off mass, took more passengers on board, had a greater range, they ate almost half as much kerosene
and piloted unlike easier. If it were not for the closed market of the USSR, then the domestic civil aviation industry would have rested in a Bose by the mid-eighties. And no oligarchs with Putin headed are out of business - oranges do not grow on aspen.

[ASASHOKA]

It is bad when people, and especially managers, do not notice systemic problems in their daily routine. In the field you need a vehicle. master! When the "roast rooster" for mismanagement begins to peck in one place - they immediately look for the guilty one and, having blamed all the problems on him, begin to scratch his turnips - what to do now ... Nothing should go out of sight in an established state. All actions and inactions are of paramount importance! Somewhere they will pass with a plus, but somewhere on the contrary.

[Cresta999]

These same tales about the effective (naturally capitalist) owner were told to us by the collapsing Union.

[ASASHOKA]

Just in the Union the owner was. Therefore, they call him the Great ...
On the ground there should be one owner, and not how much you want. Too many cooks spoil the broth. This one should have state money (and not everyone who got it). Now take a look ... It is on this my emphasis, and not on the Union, collapse and capitalism, as you have ...

[Radical]

Quote: knn54

Of the tragedies, they began to make shows more often. Plants are not needed, land is needed.
But they can close MAI, KhAI ...- where graduates work.
The ONLY thing that "consoles" is that competences in aircraft construction are relatively quickly restored — Iran, for example.

They are restored when the state, represented by its leadership, wants it, and when aircraft factories are closed, when education looks like a seriously ill person - what kind of "competencies" can we talk about?

[Fan-fan]

The head of this country is responsible for everything in the country. But our resident does not want to answer, but continues to powder our brains and continues to help billionaire friends fill their pockets. How cruelly we made a mistake in our leader, it has already reached some people, when it comes to the majority, then it will become possible to change all this governing swamp for new people and the country will have a chance.

[Vadim237]

Interesting - are you responsible for something?

[Radical]

Quote: MBRBS

Here, Monino presents a no less depressing picture. Airplanes and helicopters are shabby, they look awkward and wretched on the grass. Heart bleeds.
The state does not seem to care about the historical heritage and pride of the USSR.

And what did you want - this "state ..." has only memories of galoshes in the USSR. True, once a year, on May 9, "it" pretends to honor the memory ....

[mvg]

Who will say what is the AWAC in the background? In the course, also hydro.

[Asian]

Quote: donavi49

Well there is no chance .....
Therefore, SAZ has zero chances, their planes are just a cave age and nobody needs them now. Unfortunately........

If yes, if only .... yes, they would invest in the development of the aviation industry at all stages of its military route, then Yaki would fly between 10000 and 15000 km, and they would burn the fuel in accordance with the latest engines, noooooooh .... on towers beyond the clouds a completely understandable attitude was adopted - a change in the socio-political system in the USSR, and for the implementation of this process it was necessary to create the appropriate conditions and mobilize the population not for creation and development, but for stagnation and collapse. From here we lived at that time the way we lived, like a cattle, hence all sorts of catastrophes of a state scale that happen quite by accident, but somehow surprisingly in time and place, they happened, etc., etc. You want to say that the creation of a modern aircraft in Russia (USSR) was then and now impossible? There is no motivation, and time is lost, and the engineers and technicians, only I agree with this, everything else is evil.

[Antares]

frankly sorry. With the history of our fleet, aviation and everything, we have historically nothing.
Not saved anything. In addition to the Aurora and the Commune (and because it works), neither battleships nor the originals of the masterpieces .. Even sometimes we don’t save tanks. Destroy everything for scrap for re-melting .. and if in a museum then we don’t care either.
Then we will buy Soviet artifacts! In the sworn west where even PMR planes can face! Where rich people organize their museums. Where they save better. Not even their story ...
It is sad.
There is the United States its Constitution is that they store but also spend millions annually so that he swam !. The Japanese carefully keep their Mikasu. And do not care for two world wars and bombings.
The British also store. The Germans did little of course.
And we even sold to China the only largest ships of the USSR. (Ukraine and the Russian Federation) because we never managed to save large ships for the museum. Neither tsarist / Soviet battleships nor aircraft carriers .. nothing .. a couple of cruisers and then with a stretch. Aurora because of the Revolution and then arrange concerts for the stars there.

[NordUral]

Aircraft companies are going through new waves of optimization. Are aviation in the post-Soviet space landing, is the aircraft industry degrading? Or is this an exaggeration? Konstantin, tell me in plain text, it does not degrade, but is sought by these traitors and thieves.

[Vadim237]

If she really did, then Russia would not have an aircraft industry at all - no, it would have been zero.

[NordUral]

Vadim! So it is, if not zero, but close to it.

[Vadim237]

Well, tell that to the developers of the Su 57, the new Il 476, MC 21, which already has 189 launched the Superjet, Il 112, Il 114, Be 200, An 2MS, developers: PD 35, electric aircraft engine, PAK TA, Australia's EU joint project and Russian hypersonic passenger aircraft

, as well as VIAM and VSMPO AVISMA - on the materials and developments of which all Boeings fly.

[NordUral]

This "super" - the gravedigger of the aircraft industry in Russia, ask how he flies (statistics of flight and slop time).
as well as VIAM and VSMPO AVISMA - on the materials and developments of which all Boeings fly.
Well, yes, Boeings are flying, not silts, yaks, one and so on .... why are you happy here?
And what about projections, what can I say? We talked and took up new ones.