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Army outsourcing: evil or good

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Many have already heard about army outsourcing. This is the use of the labor of civilian specialists who perform for the military personnel those types of work that are not compatible with military affairs. For example, outsourcing in modern military units means putting things in order, washing clothes, preparing food, and running a part-time farm with the help of civilian personnel. Someone thinks this practice is correct, because the soldiers now “will be engaged in the business, not scrubbing floors and toilets, while others see in outsourcing a virus introduced from the West that affects the Russian army from the inside and makes it a greenhouse. Critics of army outsourcing claim that the army in Russia is needed, not to just teach soldiers to use weaponbut also in order to make a man out of a young man who can stand up for himself, for others, cook dinner and wash the floors.
Supporters of the outsourcing take the position that household chores rob soldiers of too much time allotted for real military affairs, and due to the reduction of service to 12 months, such a loss of time is fraught with negative results. Proponents say that there should also be comfort in the army: it’s time to turn the barracks into a place where a soldier would feel, if not at home, then at least not experience a significant negative. These same people are sure that soldiers should sleep on the sleeping places in the winter. electric towels, fighters need to be changed into a beautiful modern uniform and change into comfortable shoes that would replace the notorious kersey boots.
The arguments of each side cannot be ignored, which is why it is worth developing an approach so that the service becomes both comfortable and at the same time does not turn into a kindergarten. Of course, it is foolish to argue with the fact that the modern army needs as badly as modern high-quality clothing, household appliances, balanced nutrition, as well as military-technical samples. Therefore, army outsourcing will only be a blessing for Russia, when it ceases to be aimed at weathering out of the army service those principles that at all times allowed us to see in our army support for public life. Otherwise, the case may come to the fact that their relatives, who are on duty at the bed of their fighter, will make their beds for the soldiers.
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  1. Kaa
    Kaa 2 July 2012 12: 19
    -4
    Outsourcing is just the first step. Farther. according to the logic of the people who introduced it, it is necessary to introduce the positions of marketers, as in the Middle Ages.
    1. Middle-brother
      Middle-brother 2 July 2012 12: 21
      +3
      why not?)
      1. lcalex
        lcalex 2 July 2012 12: 28
        +3
        Quote: Middle Brother
        why not?)


        Herds were generally led behind the Roman legions.

        For, meet, mean, needs laughing
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 2 July 2012 13: 18
          +2
          in food, however, do not repeat the nonsense of preoccupied bestiality laughing
        2. KuigoroZHIK
          KuigoroZHIK 2 July 2012 14: 32
          +4
          I understand that everyone needs to earn money, but why insert sponsored links in the feed of news articles?
          there is also an advertising section of the site - http://topwar.ru/adv
          it seems that with an increase in topwar traffic, the site owners lose respect for ordinary visitors ...
          ehh money and then the ball rules. very sad
          1. Shumer
            Shumer 2 July 2012 20: 27
            +1
            I completely agree with you, the advertisement got it, an excellent site, and the advertisement infuriates.
      2. alexng
        alexng 2 July 2012 12: 30
        +2
        Yes, they already have enough freelance ones, if the soldier had free time for that. laughing
      3. Kaa
        Kaa 2 July 2012 13: 24
        0
        And as in the Wehrmacht. coupons for visiting brothels?
        1. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 2 July 2012 17: 30
          0
          And not only in the Wehrmacht. They also visited ....
      4. Teploteh - nick
        Teploteh - nick 2 July 2012 17: 25
        -1
        Well, definitely.
        A soldier should do only what he has to do - to learn to fight, not to peel potatoes and wash the floors - only then he will be a pro in his field - if he does not spray his strength in household work.
        There are wives on the citizen for this, and there should be service personnel in the army - as it is at any enterprise, plant, in any organization. Nowhere do workers clean floors and do not cook their own food. At work - you need to WORK !!! And service in the Army - it’s just like not only doing duty - but also hard and honorable work - the same work for contractors!
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 2 July 2012 17: 35
          +1
          You see, with such an attitude, and not far from strikes! Especially when, God forbid, you have to fight ...
          1. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel 2 July 2012 22: 40
            +3
            Exactly. God forbid, have to fight. And the rear of the old grandmothers with boilers will reach for the army. cauldrons, pots, soldiers of the gastric support of troops. It’s not easier, following the example of the West, to attract alternative dodgers. Let them clean, scuff, wash, cook without shoulder straps, weapons. And the term of employment is 2 years. In an emergency, shoulder straps are mobilized.
        2. Kite
          Kite 2 July 2012 19: 31
          +2
          What will such soldiers do when they are in the field?
          In all this outsourcing talk, only barracks are mentioned, but a normal army should spend most of its time in the field. Maybe diggers will dig the trenches, the grannies from the local population will cook in the field kitchen and wash the pots? Then they will have to be taught to parachute together with the "troops"!
    2. Vashestambid
      Vashestambid 2 July 2012 12: 30
      +4
      Definitely need this autos ... autos ... agtoso ... how is it there, wassat , and then bast eggs can fry bast, and soup from an ax?

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      1. Kaa
        Kaa 2 July 2012 14: 16
        +6
        There is. only without the letter R.
        1. lcalex
          lcalex 2 July 2012 15: 26
          +2
          Quote: Kaa
          There is. only without a letter


          laughing laughing drinks

          Hahaha !!!!!
      2. volcano
        volcano 2 July 2012 14: 19
        0
        Quote: VashEstambid
        and ax soup

        From the ax Porridge, not soup.
      3. Kite
        Kite 3 July 2012 09: 40
        0
        No, it’s not unique! Remember that there are many conditions when military personnel should be autonomous (ship, submarine, remote garrison, outpost, field camp, access to exercises and training, ...
        T.O. hired workers (outsourcers) will either be provided with work, or not. Well, and under what conditions then to agree on the implementation of contract work?
        If it’s not shameful for a soldier to clean his weapons after maintenance and training, to maintain and put the equipment into combat storage, to clean his boots daily and many times, then why doesn’t you want to clean up your barracks so fundamentally?
        Yes, and significant repairs and modernization of equipment were previously carried out at the plants by civilian specialists.
  2. ivansaxonov
    ivansaxonov 2 July 2012 12: 21
    +7
    If you have decent training in military specialties, I am only for!
  3. itr
    itr 2 July 2012 12: 22
    -1
    Outsourcing fully agrees with you today! PMC tomorrow! day after tomorrow?????
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 2 July 2012 13: 19
      +1
      Yeah, you have no one to wash footcloths? am
  4. lcalex
    lcalex 2 July 2012 12: 24
    +11
    Outsourcing ..... what a word. Why do we have outsourcing, shopping, creativity, etc. everywhere ??? am

    Well, we are Rus. We have our own great and powerful language! And beautiful! good

    My will would be to equate all such words to obscene. With all the consequences ...

    And on the topic .... Well, civilians can also wash and cook. And let the boys learn to shoot and fight
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 2 July 2012 12: 49
      +3
      lcalex

      Quote: lcalex
      Well, we are Rus. We have our own great and powerful language! And beautiful!

      We are. And all the "diversification", "innovation" and other OTSOSINGI initially come out of the mouth of the guarantor. Russian?...
      This is evil, because negative points, ultimately, more.
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 2 July 2012 13: 20
        +1
        um, that's what it is, but how the Bgolshevich women scoffed at the Russian language. in general, tin! they were the same "Russians" without exception! laughing
        1. Ross
          Ross 2 July 2012 13: 52
          +4
          Yoshkin Cat,

          Mocked, not the right word! The whole meaning of Russian words was distorted, the language was distorted.
        2. lcalex
          lcalex 2 July 2012 15: 43
          +2
          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          they were the same "Russians" without exception!


          Yeah. Zinoviev, Kamenev, etc.

          Their real names are somehow not very Russian
      2. lcalex
        lcalex 2 July 2012 15: 29
        +1
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        We are. And all the "diversification", "innovation" and other OTSOSINGI initially come out of the mouth of the guarantor. Russian?...
        This is evil, because negative points, ultimately, more.


        So I say - announce matyuki. Then the TV will stop spoiling the language.

        Yes, and the guarantor will stop
  5. rate 60
    rate 60 2 July 2012 12: 27
    +14
    Today I read an article about the father of outsourcing, what do you think is fiction or reality? The article is called "The court did not protect" My neighbor, an army colonel, told about one amusing incident with the participation of the notorious Russian Defense Minister Serdyukov, which (incident) is now widely commented on in all units and divisions ...

    One fine day, the famous intellectual Serdyukov invited one colonel to him and informed him that he intended to send him to work as his representative in one foreign country, where he would soon become a general (since he was a general), but for this the colonel should graduate from the academy and learn French.

    After some time, when the colonel fulfilled both of these conditions, he found out that Serdyukov had already sent his son whom he needed — the grief of the colonel of 30 years.

    Our colonel had a conversation with Serdyukov, in the finale of which the intellectual Serdyukov shouted literally the following: "Get out of here,".

    In response to this, our colonel of standard sexual orientation very decently punched Serdyukov in the face, and this fair action had a completely unexpected effect - to his death, a frightened Serdyukov hid under his desk, expecting further beatings. But the colonel did not begin to teach him more - even with his hands. After this respectful dialogue, Serdyukov several times (they say that he was already 8) sued, but did not achieve anything - there were no witnesses, and the clever colonel (who graduated from the academy!) Denied everything as a stupid invention of a nearby minister.

    Well, okay, everything is clear with Serdyukov: people are laughing at him with might and main, and in the army they despise him, he’s not even worthy of such hatred. Another thing is clear - such as Serdyukov, Kiriyenko, Gref, Chubais, Khristenko and other zurabovs, put Putin and Medvedev in foreign lands for two purposes: firstly, to continue the destruction of the country, and secondly, in order to cut giant budget money flows with a mandatory pull-up to the supreme commander-in-chief and grief-prime minister (although the latter is somewhere else, they say and write that he already has not 40 billion, but about 60!).

    Another thing is no less interesting: all the proteges of Putin and Medvedev, with very few exceptions, are acutely hated by the people. And in theory, especially in the pre-election year, in order to save their ratings, both of them would have to get rid of at least some of the “masters” that cause such intense hatred - in fact, the enemies of the people. But no! It means that it was they who best established themselves as effective destroyers of Russia, and that is why, no matter what, Putin and Medvedev and their employers need them: the comrades, sorry, gentlemen, are leading this road to collapse. V. Ryabchuk
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 2 July 2012 13: 21
      +1
      fairy tale, for preschool children laughing
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 2 July 2012 13: 26
        +6
        After what glass did the "colonel" tell this story? Tales of hunters and fishermen are resting!
        1. valerei
          valerei 2 July 2012 13: 54
          +3
          But how do you want to believe that Serdyukov, even one of the officers filled his face!
        2. alexng
          alexng 2 July 2012 23: 27
          -1
          Yeah, right now, trolls of bayko-meta (g ... meta) instead of outsourcing will arrange an observational on the forum, i.e. climbs their gut the colors of children's surprise out.
          1. alexng
            alexng 3 July 2012 13: 54
            0
            ABOUT! Hooray! One bike-met already minus. Troll lit up. On the thief and the hat is on.
    2. Denzel13
      Denzel13 2 July 2012 17: 26
      +2
      I read that Forbes made a list of "unspoken" and ascribed to GDP and others like them 120. And he ... n with him, only the cynicism with which we are told that the budget has a "social orientation" is simply amazing.
  6. Cadet787
    Cadet787 2 July 2012 12: 31
    +4
    With this command, our army will soon come out and sording and scribe.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 2 July 2012 13: 21
      -2
      I'm sorry, do you have a yellow-blavkite next to a nickname? you?
      1. KOMOd Shpakov
        KOMOd Shpakov 2 July 2012 17: 20
        0
        Maybe it’s a Russian intelligence officer introduced into the Ukrainian army. Well, patriotic feelings were recaptured from the officer, we must be sympathetic smile
  7. mechanic33
    mechanic33 2 July 2012 12: 39
    +11
    I'm for the middle ground. good In tactical terms, yes, the task of a fighter is to survive and shoot as many enemy units as possible. This is suitable for special operations and minor local conflicts. And in a big war, to survive for a soldier is the ability to warm oneself, to dry, to feed oneself, not hoping for an aunt with a twist.

    So some kind of survival courses, with the training to peel potatoes, chop wood, make a fire, catch fish and file the gymnast should still be.
    1. Gavrilon
      Gavrilon 2 July 2012 12: 43
      +6
      Quote: mechanic33
      So some kind of survival courses, with the training to peel potatoes, chop wood, make a fire, catch fish and file the gymnast should still be.


      This still needs to be taught at school and better practiced in life history classes.
      1. mechanic33
        mechanic33 2 July 2012 12: 49
        +1
        Quote: Gavrilon
        This still needs to be taught at school and better practiced in life history classes.

        I agree .... only I remembered my studies at the institute, where according to the program the first year was a repetition of the last school year ... Frankly, I learned a lot of new things ... winked it’s better for the army team to take control of it themselves, it won’t be worse
      2. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 2 July 2012 13: 25
        -3
        or better yet, pass a normal gun law. people will have an opportunity to engage in small arms business themselves, but interest in tactics will grow
    2. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 2 July 2012 13: 22
      0
      Yeah, cook in the kitchen and in the field, apparently there is no difference feel
    3. Kaa
      Kaa 2 July 2012 13: 29
      0
      Courses are now in fashion on CDs, distance learning, etc. Do you mean them?
      1. Gavrilon
        Gavrilon 2 July 2012 13: 42
        -1
        Quote: Yoshkin Cat
        normal gun law.


        Nooo weapons enough. hemorrhage from free circulation current is greater.
        It’s better to have section circles and TIRs all over Russia to build a business there.

        Quote: Kaa
        in fashion on CDs, distance learning, etc. Do you mean them?


        Nah her collective in the fresh air all according to Makarenko.
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 2 July 2012 14: 46
          +1
          Yeah, slaves weapons nizyayaya!
  8. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 2 July 2012 12: 50
    +4
    In my opinion, outsourcing pure water is wrecking! There must be a decent service of the rear ...
    They feed civilians, clean the territory of Gaster, guard the territory of the Chopovites - what kind of army is this? What happened?
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 2 July 2012 13: 23
      -2
      so, for this case they also free up time for study laughing
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 2 July 2012 17: 58
      +1
      Will submarines also outsource? Well, we were peeling potatoes in an outfit, and there was a company of economic support in the regiment. It is unlikely that the aunts with cookers in the field kitchens will go to the trenches. If you don’t suffer garbage in the army, then there is plenty of time for military training, and to go to the outfit. Simply, the loot will begin to cut again with this outsourcing.
  9. vadimN
    vadimN 2 July 2012 12: 51
    +1
    Dear generals, drag soldiers less to build their cottages, then there will be more time for combat training. And elementary skills of self-service and overcoming everyday difficulties should be! This is an integral part of the cultivation of the SOLDIER, and not the greenhouse plant, which can not fight without a dry closet and a can of popcorn ...
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 2 July 2012 13: 23
      +1
      about ten years as not practiced. however, the units are full of classmates alike. that do not fantanize sewers
  10. Strashila
    Strashila 2 July 2012 13: 26
    0
    This system is stealing budget money and only, yes there are ostentatious parts and nothing more. That on equal terms, some are in Moscow and in the Magadan region. They destroyed the rear service and what ... what they got. As Suvorov used to say, any marketer can be sent out after three years without Consequences. The army turns into a private shop.
  11. TRex
    TRex 2 July 2012 13: 30
    +12
    I recently met with a colleague who maintains strong ties with current officers. So, over a glass of tea, he told me a couple of "horror stories" about "sucking" or whatever ...
    During the exercises of the MP at KTOF, the infantry went into the field to "act as in battle." We received dry rations for three days and began to fight, as taught ... On the fourth day, seemingly "sucking" field kitchens should smoke, feed the soldiers - but there is no one in the field camp. The rear officials call the main "sucking": where is the cabbage soup and porridge, our food? The answer is that we don't have such an all-terrain vehicle to drive to your landfills ... sorry ... or let's terminate the contract if senior tovarischi let you do it. How!
    A similar situation was during the air defense exercises in the western district. At the airfield jump organized a field flight canteen. After a couple of days, the aunts were screwed. They have no mention in the employment contract about living in tents in the open air and without a warm toilet.

    Where are we going, comrades? It seems to me that through these "sucking" a gang from the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff, and those who were attached to them very well sucks money from the state budget, but the country’s defense capability is somehow us ..
    1. Gavrilon
      Gavrilon 2 July 2012 13: 48
      +1
      laughing
      Quote: TRex
      where are cabbage soup and porridge, our food? The answer is that we don’t have such all-terrain vehicles to drive to your landfills ...

      laughing

      Hahahahaha guess what country ???? =)))))) +10000
    2. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 2 July 2012 14: 48
      0
      um. when the contract was signed, what conditions were prescribed?
  12. Nechai
    Nechai 2 July 2012 13: 39
    +7
    Quote: Brother Sarich
    There must be a decent service of the rear ...

    Naturally. Who's stopping RECEIVING freely hired specialists on the SERVICE. Equip the same kitchens, dining rooms with highly automated equipment? The same peeling of potatoes for the entire regiment will take several minutes (already in the early days, THIS already existed in real life). Repair units TO A SIGNIFICANT DEGREE ARE REQUIRED to be completed with civilian specialists. All the processes of ensuring the vital activity of the military collective remain fully controlled by the command. What is the problem?! And it is that then there will be no flow of funds from the account of the military unit to the account of the commercial company! That's where the dog rummaged .... Outsourcing is a cover for corruption schemes.
    Do you often hear that the commander is suing the company that DID NOT ensure proper execution of the contract? Indeed, he is unlikely to sue himself.
    1. Ilyich
      Ilyich 2 July 2012 14: 52
      +2
      Quote: Nechai
      The same peeling of potatoes for the entire regiment will take several minutes (at the same time, it existed in real life even in early times)

      We had three pieces in the regiment of such miracle machines. I do not remember even once that at least one of them worked! laughing
      This is not an objection, just remembered a fun episode
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 2 July 2012 18: 35
      0
      In addition to food for corruption, outsourcing sets a precedent for the destruction of the rear services. A similar problem is the destruction of military medicine.
  13. IRBIS
    IRBIS 2 July 2012 13: 58
    +6
    And if we add that the outsourcing companies serving military units belong to the wives, relatives and other acquaintances of very high-ranking officials and the fact that the prices for their services are simply "cosmic" we get an excellent way of the next division (theft) of budget money for defense. For such amounts, you can sweep the taiga and feed the Chinese! But everyone is happy with everything, especially bank accounts!
  14. Svistoplyaskov
    Svistoplyaskov 2 July 2012 14: 00
    -3
    I think Army outsourcing is still a blessing. From a private trader, if you can ask something, you can punish the ruble, and competition will arise, it means the quality will increase, and prices will go down!
    As for improving the comfort for the soldiers, if you simultaneously increase professionalism, then it’s also good! IMHO.
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 2 July 2012 17: 50
      +1
      Army outsourcing is a kind of replacement of hazing in the army, which prevents all kinds of committees of soldiers' mothers from sleeping normally. Especially the Chairman of the Russian Union of Committees. Her sons did not serve in the army, and she does not hide the fact that she began to deal with this issue when the question arose about the service of her sons. Almost funny. But not so simple .....
      1. Svistoplyaskov
        Svistoplyaskov 2 July 2012 18: 17
        +1
        I don’t know who you are talking about, but the fact that she has several sons already says that she is well done. If all our women had 3 sons each, there would be no fear for the future of the country!
        1. chistii20
          chistii20 3 July 2012 02: 12
          0
          Quote: Whistling
          I don’t know who you are talking about, but the fact that she has several sons already says that she is well done. If all our women had 3 sons each, there would be no fear for the future of the country!

          I do not argue if they also served then another thing
  15. nycsson
    nycsson 2 July 2012 14: 10
    +3
    that an army in Russia is needed, not only to teach soldiers how to use weapons, but also to make a young man a man who can stand up for himself and for others, and cook dinner and wash the floors.

    Gold words! How much does this outsourcing dough eat from the budget! No one thought? It is necessary to return the service for two years and remove this outsourcing! The army is a school of life, after it the guys become men! And they will teach how to wash dishes and clean potatoes, etc. And most importantly - all this is free for the state!
  16. Larus
    Larus 2 July 2012 14: 11
    +1
    Outsourcing is certainly a necessary thing, but do not bring it to the point of absurdity and poke civilian specialists everywhere, because. in which case they will be blown away instantly and they will refuse to fulfill their contractual obligations. I won’t be surprised if there is a clause in the contract according to which they wash their hands in the case of VD. Well, in the barracks they should put things in order, nobody will clean up for you at home.
  17. Nechai
    Nechai 2 July 2012 14: 21
    +3
    Quote: Whistling
    Yes, and competition will arise

    Michael, but shezh doshi (notorious competition) did not arise ?! It by itself is not created from anything. Where are you in the deployment areas of the military unit, have you seen many companies, the availability of personnel for them?
    The RF Armed Forces prepare, create ONLY for LOCAL, SHORT-TERM warfare. Everything is sharpened for this. Org.stat structure, quartering, armament, logistic and combat support. About entom and LADIES have repeatedly stated. And also that there will be no wars of the past. Why won't it? But it won't be, really, him! The adversary does not abandon such wars, on the contrary, it rolls around its Armed Forces system both in short-term and in permanent conflicts. And our "stratEgi" do not see such threats to the Country .... For one simple reason. they do not need such a war in FIG. "Sorry, but where are you taken prisoner here ?!"
    1. Svistoplyaskov
      Svistoplyaskov 2 July 2012 14: 56
      +2
      You just need to develop a selection system based on the tender.
      1. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 2 July 2012 17: 55
        -1
        What "smart" words do you know. Glad for you. Obviously from the financiers, Taburetkin's falcon.
        1. Svistoplyaskov
          Svistoplyaskov 2 July 2012 18: 09
          +1
          I'm glad you are happy! But you are mistaken.
          I'm just an optimist! wink
  18. volcano
    volcano 2 July 2012 14: 30
    +8
    In general, the problem is much wider and deeper.
    We are talking about the systematic destruction of the rear of the army.
    In places of permanent deployment, it seems to be tolerable, but imagine what would happen if some are transferred to the fields or the database area. There is no rear. All civilian workers ran home, and some were left without kitchen, medicine, food, ammunition, etc.
    Every military man knows "There is no victory without the rear." Anyone who claims and promotes the opposite is delusional, or sabotaging.
    The ability to feed, shoe and dress a piece, to provide the necessary cash, is also a skill that does not lie on the road.
    Previously, two military schools (YaVVFU in Yaroslavl for military financiers and VVVUT in Volsk for the rest of the rear services) graduated from the officers providing the entire rear of the Army.
    Now Yaroslavsky is no longer there, but they are getting close to Volsky.
    I WILL REPEAT WITHOUT THE REAR ANY ARMY IS NOT ABLE, BECAUSE NOW HAPPENS TO THE REAR NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AS AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE COUNTRY'S DEFENSE.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 2 July 2012 14: 49
      -4
      stupid, however write
      1. volcano
        volcano 2 July 2012 17: 12
        +5
        Yoshkin Kot
        Have you served in Aria?
        Probably not. Otherwise, this would not be considered stupidity.
        The problem is not electric blankets. You see only the top, but you don’t see the essence. You probably don’t know that the rear services are already destroyed before the connection, inclusive. Remains left. They will finish them.
        This is the idiotic result of idiotic reform. It is necessary to reduce the army ... it is necessary. Who? Not fighting units.
        And then some Mu..ka dawned. And let's poherim the rear ..... And let's.
        That's all. This neglect will end very badly. There should not be civilians in such positions in the Army.
        A simple example. For the food service, everyone who worked in the canteen is fired. They conclude an agreement for the supply and preparation of food with LLC "Horns and Hooves". Horns and Hooves LLC faithfully feeds the part. Things are good.
        But here they sharply threw a part to another place (in the same Caucasus, for example). What we have? Correctly. Destroyed food service and cook staff, etc. and LLC Horns and hooves that remained in the RPM part (for example, in the city of Muho ... sk).
        And the poor soldiers begin to eat dry food, because there is nobody to cook and there is nothing.
        And believe me, this is the case with everything that concerns combat and rear and medical support in the troops. And I declare to you with all responsibility that the decision to transfer the rear to civilian hands is a mistake
    2. Denzel13
      Denzel13 2 July 2012 18: 53
      +1
      Absolutely no stupidity. We won the Second World War largely due to the service of the rear and strategic reserves.
    3. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 3 July 2012 09: 16
      0
      volcano

      I totally agree.
      Therefore, earlier you wrote
      Quote: Z.A.M.
      This is evil, because negative points, ultimately, more.

      According to some, the rear service is a relic ... Nda-s. There are no words.
  19. Alekseev
    Alekseev 2 July 2012 15: 03
    +3
    "What is army outsourcing. This is the use of the labor of civilian specialists who perform for military personnel those types of work that do not fit with military affairs. For example, outsourcing in modern military units means putting things in order, washing clothes, cooking, maintaining subsidiary farming by forces civilian personnel. " What a Perdukovskaya "lepota"
    A custom article by Employee Serdyukov begins with nonsense.
    The main thing in outsourcing is not that the personnel are civilian, but that they are employees of third-party commercial organizations whose natural goal is to make a profit at minimal cost. Yes, yes it is! Ah, must be provided both in the field and in the war? Well, nothing, somehow, we will provide something, perhaps ...
    And what an unplowed field for corruption and kickbacks wassat Here are wives, relatives, and everything ... Enough for everyone, the budget is great (for now)! Of course, only "respectable" people are allowed to organize suction. Moscow, as a rule, of the central apparatus and those who "joined" them. A "simple" colonel doesn’t fucking suck: it may not be enough for everyone. Let him study with the soldiers, and when they start to get sick in the cold barracks, this colonel will be to blame, it is not the sucking fault, is it?
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 2 July 2012 15: 09
      +2
      Quote: Alekseev
      Ah, must be provided both in the field and in the war? Well, nothing, somehow, we will provide something, perhaps ...

      Ah, where the dog is buried! And who will feed our soldiers in the war ??? Previously, the army was an independent mechanism independent of any circumstances! And now everyone has stolen both warehouses and the entire rear, etc.
      1. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 2 July 2012 17: 52
        0
        Ask the commander of the internal troops. He has kept everything - military doctors, financiers and other servicemen. Now they are more independent and combat-ready, in comparison with the Army of the "New Look".
  20. Ilyich
    Ilyich 2 July 2012 15: 17
    +5
    the same people are sure that on the sleeping places of soldiers in winter should be laid electric clothes,

    Surely another committee of soldiers' mothers is stirring up water. And you also need, of course, an inflatable woman and a bottle with a pacifier. Pour beer and Coca-Cola into a bottle. For dinner - ice cream. Each soldier has two bunks. One for the soldier himself, another for his mother. Instead of tactics - cartoons about Superman. Instead of shooting - a game in the console. Change boots for patent leather shoes, a lump for a hawka and red shorts. After 21.00 a compulsory trip to a nightclub with distribution of amphetamine, transfer the rise to 12.00. hang up - at 4.00.
    Then the army will be of global level. Then the soldiers will be comfortable and everything will remind them of the house.
    I recommend reading this opus: "How I served in the Bundeswehr." There are many letters, but incredibly exciting laughing
    http://www.my-msk.ru/topic14269.html
    Quote:
    Service is heavy and difficult. Many new recruits suffer and miss their mother and go to the barracks priest, who also plays the role of a psychologist and accepts all soldiers regardless of religion. He has a voice and may demand this or that, for example, to let the next slobber go home for a week due to mental illness (and this despite the fact that every weekend the “soldiers” are released home - on Friday at twelve “end of service” and start on Monday at six in the morning, the fare is paid by the state).
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 3 July 2012 09: 22
      +2
      Ilyich

      I read yesterday. It is to such SOPS that they want to lead our army.
  21. IRBIS
    IRBIS 2 July 2012 15: 45
    +5
    What can I say: they turned the army into a kindergarten! Officers are now afraid of saying too much under the threat of dismissal. Army rear completely collapsed. What will happen during the fighting is a question. Believe me, no one else in life has been hindered by the ability to cook their own food, clean themselves and take care of themselves.
  22. bremest
    bremest 2 July 2012 16: 16
    +2
    The Taburetkin affair lives and thrives. They mucked up the Russian language, and in case of war, who will prepare the food for the soldiers?
    Yes, and Makarov extended the contract for two years. Of course, maybe this is due to the situation with Syria, but this is not good news .....
  23. cobra66
    cobra66 2 July 2012 16: 21
    +1
    Partial outsourcing is a useful thing, but its presence makes our soldier look like a NATO member who can’t do anything at the slightest discomfort, it turns out that the cook will not be able to come, and the soldiers will eat food and die of starvation because they don’t know how to cook and there are so many examples
  24. Gur
    Gur 2 July 2012 16: 36
    +5
    There is such a cartoon, I don’t remember the true name, and so there my aunt jumped from a parachute for Vasya, Petya, etc., my grandfather went on the attack, and at the end of the word a line of soldiers: - "if we were all like (Petya, Vasya) were spoiled, we were we would have been conquered long ago. " I believe that some non-core business can be removed from the soldiers. And what not what technical benefits are needed to improve everyday life, even very much. But when an outsourcing freelancer repairs a car for a warrior, this does not go into any gate. And what will a warrior do on the battlefield, he doesn't know shit, and rely on his uncle, in the technique in which you will fight tomorrow? I don't know if I would like to. Well, in the kitchen, nevertheless, army chefs must work with peaceful personnel. And then some kind of crap turns out. When I served, I understood that there was no one to feed, wash, clean up for us, and why, I didn’t understand one thing, the hell they forced me to clean up the snow all night by hand if there was a tractor. I am against such a service.
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 3 July 2012 09: 36
      0
      Gur

      To the point with the cartoon. Voiced by Jurassic ...
      And the name "About Sidorov VOVU". good
      According to the comment I agree.
  25. uizik
    uizik 2 July 2012 16: 51
    +3
    And in a combat situation, who will be outsourcing? Civilians will run away! So you need to think! Dependents and Belorussians are not needed in the Army. A warrior must be able to do everything! The service taught me how to survive in any conditions. Will outsourcing affect the survival of a soldier?
    1. grizzlir
      grizzlir 2 July 2012 17: 47
      +1
      It will not affect. The soldiers are taught to fight and survive. Serving civilian military units I think is the right decision in the reform of the army. Unfortunately, the only right decisions. If the soldier hangs also chores, then he will have no time to engage in combat education and training. Quality training itself wants to be better. By the way, what did you learn in the service that a modern soldier cannot do? Peel potatoes, wash boilers, take revenge of the parade ground, engage in loading and unloading? For a soldier, this is secondary, he does not take the courses of janitors, but first of all prepares for I’m sorry if I said something wrong. As for dough cutting by companies that won the competition for servicing military units, I think that this is the case, these are the realities of modern business. But it’s more important to me that a lot of unnecessary and stupid work was removed from the soldier .
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 2 July 2012 20: 36
        +3
        The question that a soldier needs to be partially unloaded from economic work is not even discussed. (I remember in the time of the South-East Army soldiers under my leadership unloaded a coal-briquette car with my hands ... Shame, I spat on everything, agreed with a Magyar loader for a couple of tons of briquettes, they unloaded everything in half an hour, such was suction)
        Civilian household. personnel must be employees of the Russian army, obey com. units (the head of the garrison), which bear "before the party and government" personal responsibility for the state of affairs, both in peacetime and in wartime. In wartime, such households. workers should be automatically recruited into the ranks of their unit, as previously in groups of troops. Now such personnel are employees of a commercial organization, often "snatched" from Moscow itself. The goal of any such structure is to make a profit. The levers of influence of the unit commander on it are weak, the field for corruption is huge. Please explain how the services of such suction organizations can be cheaper than the work of their civilian specialists?
    2. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 2 July 2012 17: 56
      -2
      Like a dog's fifth leg ......
      1. Katran
        Katran 2 July 2012 19: 38
        +5
        I like when some virtual strategic generals begin to minus real officers. Do not tell, the person REALLY prepares REAL soldiers, so he probably understands what he is talking about, and you have minuses to him.
  26. dark_65
    dark_65 2 July 2012 17: 56
    +2
    X ... th with them, Putin, Medvedev, and other rubbish ..... but the fact that they introduced outsourcing and reduced the service is definitely bad ....
    and you refused to fight if the menu did not contain all of the above ..
  27. Slavs69
    Slavs69 2 July 2012 18: 18
    +1
    Quote: Whistling
    You just need to develop a selection system based on the tender.

    That's just not necessary about the tender, a sore subject! For the operational wardrobe, it was necessary to update the cabinets. A tender was announced - one "lad" won, which declared a smaller amount. Work for a month, but we are already waiting for three. Zadolbal fed "breakfasts", then it works for a week, then a week in the doorway ... Terminate the contract, but it is necessary to tender again, and this is the time and where is the guarantee that the next lupen will not come and step on the same rake is not hunting. And so on almost all issues of logistics. Well, out ... sucking from the same opera ...
    1. Svistoplyaskov
      Svistoplyaskov 2 July 2012 18: 27
      +1
      Means It is necessary to punish the supplier with a fine, plus reimbursement of all costs and inconveniences!
      Someday we have to become the same, so that everything would be like people had!
  28. stankomi
    stankomi 2 July 2012 18: 25
    0
    I remembered the monologue: - "They are unusual .. The soldiers paint the borders so that the authorities would look ... We fucking stack the snow with cubes, pillows ..."
  29. Slavs69
    Slavs69 2 July 2012 18: 43
    +1
    Quote: Whistling
    Someday we have to become the same, so that everything would be like people had!

    Someday should, but so hotsa chichas feel Another example: a tender for the repair of the gym. Already three offices have sent a blow for the fact that under the guise of a building company some kind of bumblebee climbed, of course the price tag is naturally at a minimum, but it turned out to be closer to sight, the guest workers will work and the quality will not see the deadlines, well, then on the list. Well, how to live with these (no offense to the Komersants) hucksters?
  30. grizzlir
    grizzlir 2 July 2012 18: 55
    +3
    I want to answer those comrades who believe that the army should make a jerk-a man. Yes, not the army should not do the officers, the army is not a boarding school but a more serious institution. Where your mistakes can cost you or your comrades life. And do not darn socks I have to teach the soldiers to clean the potatoes and drive the tank, hit the targets and act as part of the unit. It’s even more surprising for me that adult men say that the army made a man of him. But I’m going to the military school several times before I was at a military training camp, in summer labor camps on campaigns with a class and a physical education instructor. And there I learned how to make a bonfire and something to cook on this fire and to mend holes, but a lot of things. And you want me to teach instead of military training healthy 18-year-old boys like tying shoelaces.
    1. ilf
      ilf 2 July 2012 20: 24
      +3
      I agree that the term was mainly imposed on households by jobs, and instead of engaging in full-fledged combat training, because of this, there are irregular relationships, they are sent to training ground not even willing to return to command, having signed a contract (to the Caucasus), they are treated as conscripts for the benefit of special operations we traveled often, and you arrive right away to put things in order in the territory, and in a week the general will arrive in the unit, you need to put things in order, showing off and so on at the same time and orders for the dining room, cleaning potatoes, etc. That is, all this distracts from combat training it affects on many and break the contract. I do not regret that he served, and the soldier needs to learn to survive in the team in battle and kill, and the commander to work out his actions and teams on tactics, and save the soldiers in battle, but for now we have a reason for this
  31. Yasen Ping
    Yasen Ping 2 July 2012 19: 30
    0
    As these foreign words are gagging, in the Russian language there are more than five million words, for every phenomenon in life and nature there is a definition of the Russian language. The manager is the seller! and so on ... until in our language there are all sorts of sucking ?????
    1. Katran
      Katran 2 July 2012 19: 43
      0
      Yeah, "supplying army units with civilian firms" certainly sounds better than outsourcing
  32. Popandopulo
    Popandopulo 2 July 2012 21: 09
    0
    Maybe sucking?
  33. 12Ural12
    12Ural12 2 July 2012 22: 53
    0
    A soldier (sailor) should be able to do everything - and sew a button and dinner for himself and his comrades, and wash socks and of course shoot well, etc. You cannot make a sissy out of him, requiring creme brulee in the trench of the ESB. This is no longer a serviceman, but a pea miracle.
  34. grizzlir
    grizzlir 2 July 2012 23: 08
    +4
    It seems to me that the majority does not represent what they are discussing. I understand that many do not know what is going on in the army. I think that performing household work is civilian; there is the right decision, unfortunately the only right one of the whole reform. And no one makes soldiers out of soldiers, they work like oxen his specialty. For example, Kantemirovka’s intelligence spends most of its annual service outside the barracks, on a special forest base. And no one there needs cream and brulee, but they burst military dry outposts. And they can sew on a button and patch clothes and serve the equipment themselves, and not uncle for them as someone thinks. But the stupid outfits in the kitchen and other household works are carried out by civilians. From all this discussion, I realized one thing that the majority cannot imagine what the army is and what’s happening there.
  35. Nazrug
    Nazrug 3 July 2012 00: 43
    +2
    Who served for this, I think the answer is obvious, this is a blessing, and a very great blessing, and those who did not serve begin to write nonsense about what will happen, and if, and how they will be in the war. In war, the ability to sweep the streets, whitewash curbs, paint fences, and wash floors and dishes is not very useful. In addition, there are field exits, when soldiers live in field tent camps and take care of themselves, but in the usual unit, they must study the materiel and not "crawl" from the range.
  36. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 3 July 2012 01: 54
    0
    It's not about who should work in the kitchen, but how the work is set.
    In our 80x, conscripts and civilians were prepared in the galley. There was no separate officer feeding trough. We ate from one boiler.
    Conscripts prepared breakfast and dinner. Lunch is civilians. Outfit of fighters, beg. galley midshipman.
    The polygon is a sacred cause - "you want to eat as it should, you learn to cook", Conscripts conjured.
    One of the problems today is that most of the SHPs are closed, they do not give deferrals in the technical school (for the cook). So the shortage of specialists, and food is one of the components of combat readiness.

    Ancestors over and naked after each other with sticks ran but did not forget about lunch