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Housing and communal services. Remember tariffs, forget about services

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The rising cost of housing and communal services almost never lagged behind inflation. Rather, the housing and utilities sector itself has driven inflation - no worse than other monopolists. But it becomes especially offensive when, under talk of a victory over inflation, one of the reasons for the next increase in utility tariffs is the increase in VAT. So not long before the statements in the spirit: they say that pensioners are to blame for the rising cost of communal services, who had to index pensions!




“Black” day of the calendar


July 1 as a sort of duty day to raise the fee for a communal apartment was not chosen by chance. In the summer, the public will surely pay much less attention to it than at the beginning of March, 1 of September, and even more so on 1 of January, when this kind of “New Year's gift” will piss off anyone. In the summer, someone is already on vacation, and most of the most socially active, those who really can afford to pay for electricity and water, spend all their days at dachas.

However, January 1 raises did happen several times, but the public anger somehow managed to pay off. Mainly due to increases in pensions and other social benefits. In 2019, the housing and utility bills increased again, but so far, fortunately, there is no need to fear a social explosion. People once again before that. Although the increase is really seriously beats many afford. Especially in Moscow, St. Petersburg and a few other traditionally problematic regions.

There, no matter how “tried” the countless clerks of the housing and communal sphere fit into the framework prescribed above, keep tariffs within the target inflation rate, which is approximately 4 percent, they did not succeed. Although, in fact, it is hard to believe that the officials really tried so hard. Why try if most of the money for the communal goes to the local budgets?

The reference to VAT seems to be the most suitable excuse for them. After all, precisely because of the increase in VAT at the very top, that is, in the ministries and departments of the federal level, it was decided to index utility tariffs in two stages. On the first, that is, from January 1 - by 1,7 percent, and from July 1 - by another 2,4 percent. I repeat that, until now, utility tariffs, as a rule, were indexed only once a year - just July 1.

Not only love money through


A good score is also very fond of Russian officials. They would only have to count something, especially when the corresponding go-ahead was given from above. Here, for example, this year, two-stage plans to raise utility bills in two stages are not somewhere in the Kremlin, but in the Ministry of Economic Development. They counted that if citizens were not immediately taken away, but in two installments, this would help to keep the total increase in utility tariffs within the framework of the target level of inflation.

Housing and communal services. Remember tariffs, forget about services


And in this case, it is quite possible to correct the inflation forecast. Last year, we also had the head of the Central Bank, Elvira Nabiullina, and Anton Siluanov, who heads the Ministry of Finance, and even Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev himself constantly insisted on the inflation rates desired by 4. As if the “golden age” will begin below.

However, now the same Central Bank calmly states in its official forecast that inflation in Russia in 2019 will be not 4, but all 4,2 or even 4,7 percent. It only seems that the difference is quite small, but the possibilities for a good "account" are some! Especially across the country.

After all, they tell us that last year housing and communal services in Russia went up on average by only 3,7 percent. However, we will make a discount on what Rosstat reported about it, to whom it is considered to believe in our time not quite, let's say, decent.

But it was there that they recognized that the prices for water disposal, cold and hot water supply increased the most - by 5,7 percent. But in the Central Bank it was precisely calculated that inflation in the same past year was 2018 4,3 percent. No matter how sad, but still more than the promised four.

The fact that the increase in tariffs in the regions, both in the past and this year, has been distributed and will be distributed quite unevenly, we will not particularly extend. The rich will again be richer, and the poor even poorer. However, it will not be easier for anyone, that's for sure. And this is despite the fact that the quality of public utilities is not growing at the pace that tariffs. If it grows at all.

Svetlana Razvorotneva, executive director of the non-profit partnership “Housing and Public Utilities Control”, drew attention to the fact that “it is declared that corridors (meaning price corridors) should not exceed the inflation rate on average in the country, although we see that in various regions is quite large: from 3 percent in the regions of the North Caucasus to 6-7 percent in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yakutia ”.

Playing by the new rules


It seems that in general, how quickly payments in regions are growing, are scrupulously monitored, and even the parameters of non-exceedance are observed. But for some reason, in many regions, the practice of outstripping increases in payments and tariffs has almost become the norm. As if the “money in advance” is collected by local public utilities not only for capital repairs, but for everything that is possible.

The other day, the head of the antitrust department, Igor Artemyev, noted that water tariffs may differ tenfold in neighboring regions. According to him, “tariff hooliganism” is the work of local authorities, where the antimonopoly service does not reach.



However, it seems that at last it seems decided to limit the amateur activities of public utilities in public places. At the very least, the need to improve, for example, the description of the tasks of modernizing the municipal infrastructure, must now be documented. And not in the field, but in the Federal Antimonopoly Service. However, this is also no more than another bureaucratic level, along which our officials have learned to walk a long time ago.

Yes, it is possible to obstruct the rectilinear excess of tariffs, and most likely, FAS will not be easy to give permits. Just why is it already now that “Russians are overpaying more than 100 percent of prime cost in a multitude of communal positions”.

And it recognizes not someone, but just the head of FAS Igor Artemyev. In March, the FAS indicated that in most regions housing and communal services rates are too high. At the same time, about three-quarters of the Russian regions overpay for the provision of utility services, while the rest (only about one-fourth) have reduced tariffs.

And after all, having in hands frankly overestimated tariffs, public utilities are almost everywhere doing registry. The public has always called the headache inaccurate, and for some reason always in the direction of excess, the accrual of payments.

So is it time to stop? After all, after the VAT in Russia, a lot more can be raised - the excise on diamonds, for example. And this will also be the reason for the next extraordinary increase in utility tariffs?
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  1. Rust
    Rust 4 July 2019 05: 32
    +27
    Well, if Maskva and St. Petersburg are traditionally problematic regions. I don’t know what to say about castle. In Samara, a long time ago, twice a year, an increase occurs. The first of January and July.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 4 July 2019 05: 48
      +39
      the authorities are doing everything possible to be hated.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 4 July 2019 07: 46
        +20
        Elvira Nabiullina, and Anton Siluanov, the head of the Ministry of Finance, and even Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev himself constantly reiterated the desired 4 percent of inflation.

        Inflation for the economy as a body temperature for a person: Low to 2,5% - a healthy economy, if higher - then a sick one. Endless 20 years, the fabulous head physician cannot bring the temperature of the economy in order. But at the same time, we are regularly informed either about the passage of the bottom, then about some kind of stability, then about the need for a breakthrough. From the outside, it seems that the economy has been chronically ill for 30 years, and doctors do not even plan to bring the temperature to healthy 2,5%.
        1. nils
          nils 4 July 2019 08: 20
          +29
          Russia will be lifted from its knees gradually: first, the retirement age, then taxes, and then the payment for housing and communal services.

          Russian and Tatar discuss housing reform. The Russian is outraged by the ever-increasing levies.
          Tatar says with a mockery:
          - But Genghis Khan 300 years yasak did not raise.

          Vladimir Vladimirovich, tell me, why do gas prices go up all the time?
          “I don’t understand why you all don’t understand why gas prices are rising?” This is elementary:
          1. When oil prices rise, since gasoline is made from oil, respectively, gas prices should rise.
          2. When oil prices fall, oil companies have to raise gas prices to compensate for the fall in oil price revenues.
          3. When oil prices are stable, gas prices rise because of inflation.
          And to whom is that not clear?

          They say that in the world there is such an amazing country that used to be a nurse, but became a feeding trough.

          Why do people living at a living wage set us a living wage?
        2. sunzhenets
          sunzhenets 4 July 2019 17: 00
          +5
          Quote: Stas157
          Endless 20 years, the fabulous head physician cannot bring the temperature of the economy in order.

          If you annually increase utility tariffs and excise taxes, it is foolish to expect low inflation, and indeed a positive effect for the economy.
          Excise taxes on tobacco lifted up to heaven. The result - a lot of people switched to Belarusian and Kazakh products.
          It is a pity that with housing and communal services an alternative is difficult to find.
        3. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 4 July 2019 21: 00
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          Low to 2,5% - a healthy economy, if higher - then a sick one.

          annual inflation of the dollar is 2-2,5 percent per year. That is, if the economy stands still, then it will be so. A higher percentage of inflation indicates negative growth.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 4 July 2019 11: 35
        +15
        Quote: Aerodrome
        the authorities are doing everything possible to be hated.

        And she does it every day better and better
        1. Alf
          Alf 4 July 2019 19: 57
          +5
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Aerodrome
          the authorities are doing everything possible to be hated.

          And she does it every day better and better

          Professionals, in a word.
      3. Harry.km
        Harry.km 5 July 2019 09: 13
        +1
        Quote: Aerodrome
        the authorities are doing everything possible to be hated.

        The authorities have long and deeply spit on the opinion ... and by the way, who should hate her then? Judging by the elections, everyone is happy with everything. Oh, and the little people went to the authorities, she does not sleep for them at night, she cannot eat. On the next branch, it is discussed how the Saudis with the Russian Federation have bent OPEC. And here, some kind of growth by some lousy 3-4 percent. This is certainly not funny, but what if "we don't want to be like in Paris"?
  2. 3vs
    3vs 4 July 2019 05: 41
    +30
    This is already a given.

    We have everything according to Comrade Chernomyrdin, "they wanted the best, but it turned out as always"!
    Comrade Putin put forward the "May Decrees", which, as it were, imply the development of industry, the organization of new jobs.
    But for officials it is difficult, long and lazy, it is easier to invent new taxes and levies to carry out the "May decrees".

    It is strange that Voennoye Obozreniye does not publish news about another possible source of extortions:

    Ministry of Agriculture wants to regulate the collection of wild berries and mushrooms
    Wild mushrooms, berries and herbs are a valuable resource that has high export potential, according to the Ministry of Agriculture. The ministry proposes to transfer to him the right to regulate their collection.

    The Ministry of Agriculture may receive the right to regulate the collection, processing and turnover of wild mushrooms, berries, nuts, birch sap and medicinal plants, follows from the draft government decree developed by the department.

    The document is published on the portal of legal initiatives for public comment.

    Wild fruits, berries, nuts and mushrooms are a valuable food resource, and their processing is “an economically and socially significant industry with significant growth potential,” the explanatory note to the document says. In addition, products based on wild plants have a high export potential, according to the ministry.

    Therefore, the draft resolution proposes to define the Ministry of Agriculture as “an authorized federal executive body for the development and implementation of state policy and legal regulation in the field of collection, processing, and turnover of wild food resources”.

    The exercise of these powers will be carried out within the established number of employees of the department and budget allocations.

    The draft government decree was published on July 2.

    In January 2017, the press service of the Ministry of Agriculture denied media reports about the agency’s plans to license the collection of forest mushrooms. So, the department responded to an article by Moskovsky Komsomolets, which said about the possibility of introducing a tax on the collection of wild mushrooms and berries in Russia.

    In December 2018, Deputy Prime Minister Alexei Gordeev instructed the agency to analyze the situation in the use of wild berries and mushrooms and make specific proposals to the government.

    Read more at RBC:
    www.rbc.ru/politics/03/07/2019/5d1caf3b9a7947627fb46201?from=newsfeed

    All for sale!
    "Budget employees" need to be fed!
    And now, apparently, they will force people to buy a license to go to the forest, and those who cook jams and pickles mushrooms, if they sell to someone, they will be fined, because they trade without KKM.
    A picture is drawn - tax collectors are walking around the villages, "uterus eggs, milk, mushrooms, berries, nuts, chamomile, Ivan tea ...".
    It seems that we are returning to serfdom.

    Well, at least, while the logger was allowed to collect for free, and for now ...
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 4 July 2019 05: 47
      +17
      And after all, having in hands frankly overestimated tariffs, public utilities are almost everywhere doing registry. The public has always called the headache inaccurate, and for some reason always in the direction of excess, the accrual of payments.
      So is it time to stop?
    2. Evil echo
      Evil echo 4 July 2019 06: 16
      -21
      Actually, the decree is aimed at reviving zagotkontory, so your statement is somewhat off topic.
      1. 3vs
        3vs 4 July 2019 06: 23
        +15
        Quote: Evil Echo
        Actually, the decree is aimed at reviving zagotkontory, so your statement is somewhat off topic.

        Once again, we need to remember Comrade Chernomyrdin!
        It's just that nothing is being done in our country, good intentions remain
        only on paper, one of the officials of the Ministry of Agriculture prepares a good feeding trough for himself.
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 4 July 2019 10: 10
      +7
      Quote: 3vs
      Well, at least, while the logger was allowed to collect for free, and for now ...

      Yeah. Allowed. Only now, according to the law, it is possible to take this deadwood only in the absence of an ax and a saw, i.e. Collect branches and brushwood as before. The log can be carried on the shoulder, but not everyone can do this. Sawing fallen timber into lumps using the indicated tools is already equivalent to logging, for which there must be a permit and a felling ticket, without which a fine awaits you. In short, "allowed" and figured out how many "mugs" without understanding the intricacies of this law will rush into the woods to harvest firewood, so that they can then shoe them in full, applying penalties to them, more "Ignorance of the law does not exempt from liability." It seems that such "care" on the part of the non-government will lead to the fact that the angry people will deliberately start burning forests, crushing the beast with the noose and poisoning the fish with chlorine according to the principle - "So don't get anyone else."
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 4 July 2019 11: 37
      +12
      Quote: 3vs
      A picture is drawn - collectors of rent go around the villages, "uterus eggs, milk, mushrooms, berries, nuts,

      A picture is drawn - first, tax collectors are beaten, especially zealous, they score. Then for the assault
      1. page
        page 4 July 2019 18: 48
        +2
        Silvestr (Sylvester) Today, 11: 37
        +100 hi
    5. Andrey591
      Andrey591 4 July 2019 12: 30
      +3
      Of course, if they have official Bentley cars!
    6. Petrograd
      Petrograd 4 July 2019 20: 21
      +1
      Quote: 3vs
      It seems that we are returning to serfdom.

      Judging by the behavior and statements of our "eternally thinking people" we have long been living under serfdom.
      Quote: 3vs
      Well, at least, while the logger was allowed to collect for free, and for now ...

      Well, still allowed to hunt with a bow laughing
  3. Olegater
    Olegater 4 July 2019 05: 43
    +40
    Good morning to all forum users !!
    You know, thieves oligarchs and those in power are suffocating from the abundance of money, and ordinary people are choking in debt.
    I personally work to pay for this housing and buy food, and that's it !!!!!!! I don’t think about clothes, but I bought a device for which I communicate with you a long time ago.
    And I also found out the news meat of all varieties will be increased by 10% due to problems with animal feed or something else !!! You see, everything rises in price, but there is no money !!! In the literal sense, as the head of the gang promised, nicknamed the bear. And his government * (* operating on the territory of Russia) does nothing for the people and people, NOTHING !!!!!!
    Only rob and take away !!!
    1. 3vs
      3vs 4 July 2019 05: 56
      +12
      Quote: Olegater

      I personally work to pay for this housing and buy food, and that's it !!!!!!! I don’t think about clothes, but I bought a device for which I communicate with you a long time ago.

      Similarly! recourse
    2. knn54
      knn54 4 July 2019 06: 28
      +9
      The oligarchs and officials of the four know TWO ACTIONS - take away and separate.
      And the easiest way to replenish the "treasury" is to go DEEPER into our pockets.
      Money will go without any effort, you don’t need to do anything. But you have forgotten how to think for a long time, if at all.
    3. passerby
      passerby 4 July 2019 06: 55
      -45
      You probably work poorly, since you can’t even earn money on clothes.
      1. Olegater
        Olegater 4 July 2019 07: 01
        +33
        Dear passerby, good morning!

        I work and do not sit retired, although I have one, but it is not enough at all, and I see you are a fan of the government gang *? And are you all in abundance? But I can disappoint you, this is your private well-being not forever, do not rejoice poverty will come, provided that you live in Russia, and it is in Russia, and not to say so abroad. Well, this unfortunately will not affect you immediately, and I would see how you would later talk.
        1. passerby
          passerby 4 July 2019 07: 04
          -29
          I am a fan of common sense. It’s quite possible to earn money for clothes in Russia now, at least people don’t go out in the streets and if you couldn’t earn money for clothes, then it’s probably not in the government, but in yourself.
          Quote: Olegater
          Dear passerby, good morning!

          I work and do not sit retired, although I have one, but it is not enough at all, and I see you are a fan of the government gang *? And are you all in abundance? But I can disappoint you, this is your private well-being not forever, do not rejoice poverty will come, provided that you live in Russia, and it is in Russia, and not to say so abroad. Well, this unfortunately will not affect you immediately, and I would see how you would later talk.
          1. Olegater
            Olegater 4 July 2019 07: 13
            +20
            Yes, such an answer was unexpected from you, the discussion did not work out, although why be surprised if you have this government * and its activity is approved, then why - I wish you to experience all their reforms. Yes, and if you do not grow together in business, then I'm sorry, most likely the matter is in you, and not in predatory decisions.

            And about the clothes, don’t get hung up, I won’t take it away from you. wassat
            1. passerby
              passerby 4 July 2019 08: 06
              -18
              Why do I approve of everything? I do not approve of everything, but it’s also not worth it to go too far, since any healthy citizen can earn money on clothes and food in Russia. Why in vain to pump something?
              Quote: Olegater
              Yes, such an answer was unexpected from you, the discussion did not work out, although why be surprised if you have this government * and its activity is approved, then why - I wish you to experience all their reforms. Yes, and if you do not grow together in business, then I'm sorry, most likely the matter is in you, and not in predatory decisions.

              And about the clothes, don’t get hung up, I won’t take it away from you. wassat
              1. Ivan58
                Ivan58 4 July 2019 16: 31
                +2
                It certainly is, nobody walks naked. But if the pension is 14000, and the communal apartment in winter -8000, then for the remaining 6000 you can survive.
                1. passerby
                  passerby 4 July 2019 21: 39
                  0
                  If so, then you just have to go and get a subsidy. Here Kairad already wrote about it below, so I won’t repeat it.
                  Quote: Ivan58
                  It certainly is, nobody walks naked. But if the pension is 14000, and the communal apartment in winter -8000, then for the remaining 6000 you can survive.
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 4 July 2019 08: 36
            +20
            Quote: bystander
            I'm a fan of common sense. It’s quite possible to make money on clothes in Russia now

            And it is possible to become an oligarch. And it's easy! If you are a friend of the king. But at the same time, even Rosstat, which always considers in favor of the government, counted tens of millions of people below the line, and at the line (of course, poverty). He also found that most people cannot buy enough shoes for themselves! How do you like that, "fan of common sense"? Is this normal for an oil and gas superpower in the 21st century?
            But you know, I agree with you, you can earn money on clothes. For bad clothes, for bad food, for a bad car, and if you get a cheap small-sized apartment on credit. Only.
            1. passerby
              passerby 4 July 2019 08: 49
              -16
              EVERYONE can't earn money on good food, good clothes and a good car anywhere in the world. Such is life, not only everyone can earn a good car, otherwise, in the world there would be much more good cars than bad ones, and not vice versa, as it is now.
              Quote: Stas157
              Quote: bystander
              I'm a fan of common sense. It’s quite possible to make money on clothes in Russia now

              And it is possible to become an oligarch. And it's easy! If you are a friend of the king. But at the same time, even Rosstat, which always considers in favor of the government, counted tens of millions of people below the line, and at the line (of course, poverty). He also found that most people cannot buy enough shoes for themselves! How do you like that, "fan of common sense"? Is this normal for an oil and gas superpower in the 21st century?
              But you know, I agree with you, you can earn money on clothes. For bad clothes, for bad food, for a bad car, and if you get a cheap small-sized apartment on credit. Only.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 4 July 2019 08: 57
                +12
                Quote: bystander
                EVERYONE can't earn money on good food, good clothes and a good car anywhere in the world. That is life

                Nevertheless, in the world there are still countries (after the USSR) with a less equitable redistribution of the final product of labor. In all these countries, people live better than in Russia, where there is a monstrous imbalance between over-incomes and poverty. We are balancing in our government as they can. Or rather, as they want. And more often in your pocket. That is life.
                1. passerby
                  passerby 4 July 2019 11: 30
                  -13
                  List these fair countries to at least know where on earth, in your opinion, is earthly paradise?
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 4 July 2019 12: 25
                    +9
                    Quote: bystander
                    List these fair country

                    It looks like you are one of those who clings to defending their battered position to every word. Russia has already come first in terms of income inequality, but this is not something to be proud of. Because justice in our country, in reality, the least comes out (the most cruel stratification of the poor and rich).

                    And here it’s clear even for the student that if our super rich people would share their incomes (part) with the rest of the population, then we would not have such a blatant poverty that Rosstat shows us.
                    1. passerby
                      passerby 4 July 2019 16: 18
                      -4
                      Regarding inequality in Russia, I agree with you that this is a problem. But I don’t agree with the fact that solving this problem will radically improve the situation. Otherwise, the Mexicans, given the fact that they have a level of inequality two times less than in Russia, should, following your logic, live twice as good as in Russia, but this is not so. These same Mexicans are massively fleeing to the United States in which, if you follow your own chart, an even greater level of inequality. Something like this.
              2. garrett
                garrett 4 July 2019 09: 38
                +8
                For good food, good clothes and a good car, nowhere else in the world EVERYONE can earn

                heh))) working and nowhere else in the world ??? yes you're lying nice man)))
                1. passerby
                  passerby 4 July 2019 11: 31
                  -13
                  What is the country where all residents on Mercedes and BMW ride, or are you lying nice people :)
                  1. Honest Citizen
                    Honest Citizen 4 July 2019 12: 14
                    +10
                    "... Imagine, Shura, the entire population is without exception in white pants .." (c) Ilf and Petrov "The Golden Calf. This is where Bender talked about Rio de Janeiro.
                    What is the country where all residents on Mercedes and BMW ride, or are you lying nice people :)

                    I will tell you so, Igor. Although it is very cynical. It makes no difference to me who, where and how they live. I live in Russia and I want to live NORMALLY. I want to work and get a decent salary so that I don't have to save money. And that would be enough for a vacation with a family at sea, and not in the country. I want to have social elevators, I want to teach my children, I want at least normal medicine. And I want that "the welfare of Soviet people" would grow, and not vice versa. I do not envy Germany, France, Switzerland and other countries. Nov I don't want to live like in Somalia. And our government is driving us into "Somalia" hard. That's the whole truth.
                    1. passerby
                      passerby 4 July 2019 14: 32
                      -7
                      You know, I am in some ways even in agreement with you and grateful for the answer without being rude and veiled. But I want to note that when you talk about Somalia, you are exaggerating. Nevertheless, it is possible to live in Russia, difficult, difficult, but possible. Moreover, without defending the government, because in many respects I do not agree with what, and most importantly how they do, I am convinced that after a certain number of years, we will recall this government with warm words, because I am convinced that the next government will be much worse than the current one. Remember my words after a new number of years, if you do not get lost :)
                      Quote: Honest Citizen
                      "... Imagine, Shura, the entire population is without exception in white pants .." (c) Ilf and Petrov "The Golden Calf. This is where Bender talked about Rio de Janeiro.
                      What is the country where all residents on Mercedes and BMW ride, or are you lying nice people :)

                      I will tell you so, Igor. Although it is very cynical. It makes no difference to me who, where and how they live. I live in Russia and I want to live NORMALLY. I want to work and get a decent salary so that I don't have to save money. And that would be enough for a vacation with a family at sea, and not in the country. I want to have social elevators, I want to teach my children, I want at least normal medicine. And I want that "the welfare of Soviet people" would grow, and not vice versa. I do not envy Germany, France, Switzerland and other countries. Nov I don't want to live like in Somalia. And our government is driving us into "Somalia" hard. That's the whole truth.
                      1. Honest Citizen
                        Honest Citizen 4 July 2019 14: 33
                        +2
                        we will recall this government with warm words, because we are convinced that the next government will be much worse than the current one. Remember my words after a new number of years, if you do not get lost :)

                        That the following will be even worse, I have no doubt. Because problem 2024 should be started now to discuss.
                      2. spectr
                        spectr 5 July 2019 10: 13
                        +1
                        Putin's last term is in some way terrible. The country seems to be developing, but as one comrade said: "Before there were people, but now there is money." Once I crossed paths with an acquaintance from an old job, he worked as a driver for the head of the department. And I find out that he left him due to the fact that he overtired him. I was surprised, because I remember the man was stern but more or less fair. To which my acquaintance replied: "You know, Dim, he now gets so much money that he doesn't give a shit about people. He already has three drivers and three secretaries have changed."
                  2. garrett
                    garrett 4 July 2019 13: 07
                    +5
                    and for you only BMW and Mercedes are a good car ???? These are premium brands. Koreans and French are wretched shit ???? you carefully re-read your post and you will understand why you have stuck minuses)))))
                    1. passerby
                      passerby 4 July 2019 16: 11
                      -4
                      Yes, to be honest, it doesn’t matter to me why the drawbacks are coiled, I expressed my point of view, if someone does not like it, and without voicing any weighty arguments, then this is not my problem, but those who stuck the drawbacks. Well, what can I do with the fact that the world is not what the minusculers want to see it? :)
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              3. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 4 July 2019 21: 24
                0
                Quote: bystander
                EVERYONE can't earn money on good food, good clothes and a good car anywhere in the world.

                I want to direct your thought in a slightly different direction .... I would like to speculate on the topic of parsing the meaning of the word "earn". What does it mean to earn? provide some services, or go to work in the authorities? or go to the North to pump oil to hire? or a supermarket by a merchandiser? maybe a programmer in a company that collects money for servicing cash registers or a clerk in a bank? Can you get a job as an engineer somewhere? or learn and work on CNC machines? I want to work in production !!! I want my knowledge to be in demand! In the country, the conditions necessary for the reproduction of specialists in the production of material objects are being killed !!! think what it will lead to in 10 years!
                1. passerby
                  passerby 4 July 2019 21: 34
                  +1
                  I think in the issue of the production of "material items" everything rests on the sale of these very material items, and the issue of sales will be directly linked to their cost. I strongly doubt that Russia is able to provide a sales market for "material items" and I strongly doubt that in the foreign market our manufacturer will be able to compete in terms of price / quality ratio with the Chinese, plus, under the conditions of sanctions, I very much doubt that anyone it will agree to include Russian components in its technological chain, risking falling either under US sanctions or the risk of being left without the necessary components. = aybolyt678] [quote = casual passer-by] EVERYONE cannot earn money for good food, good clothes and a good car anywhere in the world. [/ quote]
                  I want to direct your thought in a slightly different direction .... I would like to speculate on the topic of parsing the meaning of the word "earn". What does it mean to earn? provide some services, or go to work in the authorities? or go to the North to pump oil to hire? or a supermarket by a merchandiser? maybe a programmer in a company that collects money for servicing cash registers or a clerk in a bank? Can you get a job as an engineer somewhere? or learn and work on CNC machines? I want to work in production !!! I want my knowledge to be in demand! In the country, the conditions necessary for the reproduction of specialists in the production of material objects are being killed !!! think about where this will lead in 10 years! [/ quote]
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 4 July 2019 22: 55
                    0
                    Quote: bystander
                    I think on the issue of production of “material objects” everything rests on the marketing of these same material objects,

                    this is your opinion ... true but erroneous.
                    Quote: bystander
                    I strongly doubt that Russia is able to provide a market

                    What do you think, if the dollar exchange rate in our country would not be regulated at the auctions of banks, but on the basis of the cost (which is embodied in the commodity labor) of the production of goods, how much would the imported "cheap" goods cost? and would they be cheap?
                    Quote: bystander
                    and I strongly doubt that in the foreign market our manufacturer will be able to compete in price / quality ratio with the Chinese,

                    Again doubts? smile
                    you are a victim of mass psychosis that has swept Russia over a series of unsuccessful rulers, starting with Khrushchev!
                    If we discard all the ideological husks of the Stalin era and simply systematize economic activity in the country, the first will be revealed: - the tough personal responsibility of the first leaders
                    the second is the organization of large state-owned enterprises, and industries provides such a low cost of production that NEPmans bent. And so it was by the way.
                    To provide these two conditions as two fingers on the asphalt, there would be a will!
                    1. passerby
                      passerby 5 July 2019 04: 00
                      +1
                      I don’t agree with you here - cost is not embodied work, cost, it’s translating into Russian the amount of money for which you are ready to buy goods. You can produce the part manually, turning it with a file and spend a week on its production, or you can use the machine for half a day, and in either case the cost of the part will be the same, and the labor costs for its production will be different. Everything else that you wrote about is just general phrases about responsibility that do not disclose due to what exactly (low labor costs, high technologies, etc.) you are going to compete with the Chinese, and most importantly, how do you get customers to buy Russian goods in a situation where their customers may be subject to sanctions.
                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      Quote: bystander
                      I think on the issue of production of “material objects” everything rests on the marketing of these same material objects,

                      this is your opinion ... true but erroneous.
                      Quote: bystander
                      I strongly doubt that Russia is able to provide a market

                      What do you think, if the dollar exchange rate in our country would not be regulated at the auctions of banks, but on the basis of the cost (which is embodied in the commodity labor) of the production of goods, how much would the imported "cheap" goods cost? and would they be cheap?
                      Quote: bystander
                      and I strongly doubt that in the foreign market our manufacturer will be able to compete in price / quality ratio with the Chinese,

                      Again doubts? smile
                      you are a victim of mass psychosis that has swept Russia over a series of unsuccessful rulers, starting with Khrushchev!
                      If we discard all the ideological husks of the Stalin era and simply systematize economic activity in the country, the first will be revealed: - the tough personal responsibility of the first leaders
                      the second is the organization of large state-owned enterprises, and industries provides such a low cost of production that NEPmans bent. And so it was by the way.
                      To provide these two conditions as two fingers on the asphalt, there would be a will!
                      1. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 5 July 2019 14: 22
                        0
                        Quote: bystander
                        I don’t agree with you here - cost is not embodied work, cost is translating into Russian the amount of money for which you are ready to buy goods

                        here you are confused with the price smile Do you understand anything in the economy?
                        Do you know the theory of surplus value?
                        I suggest developing a general terminology before answering your questions
                      2. passerby
                        passerby 5 July 2019 14: 26
                        -2
                        Economist by first education :)
                      3. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 5 July 2019 14: 37
                        0
                        Quote: bystander
                        Economist by first education :)

                        in the sense of an accountant, or manager? what about the theory of surplus value?
                      4. passerby
                        passerby 5 July 2019 18: 28
                        -2
                        By education, I am not an accountant and not a manager; I have the qualification “economist” in my diploma. For you to know the Marxist theory of value is one of two basic theories of value, and in addition to this theory there is also a theory of marginal utility. Read it, then you will not tell people funny things about the fact that someone confuses the price with the cost :). You are probably not an economist by training, not even an accountant.
                      5. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 5 July 2019 21: 20
                        +1
                        you are avoiding battle, 17 lines are given in large print in your Wikipedia theory of marginal utility. Small will be less. And Marx's theory found followers who built the state on its basis. The fruits of the achievements of which we still use. Therefore, not impressive. negative . And you confused the price with the cost:
                        Quote: bystander
                        cost, this is translating into Russian that amount of money for which you are ready to buy goods.

                        Price is a measure of value regulated by supply and demand.
                        But in the case, you cannot answer Mr. Economist. By the way, you're right, I'm not an economist. But I have a modest degree in another specialty.
                      6. passerby
                        passerby 6 July 2019 08: 00
                        -1
                        That's why people get specialized education in order not to use snippets of information from the wiki, but to see and understand the whole picture. As for the state, built on the basis of the theory of Marx, it collapsed, proving to the whole world its fallacy. As for the cost, I did not confuse anything, and if you read more closely what you yourself quoted above, then you will understand this. But in essence, what interests you, otherwise you yourself have essentially not written a single word?
                      7. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 6 July 2019 21: 00
                        0
                        Quote: bystander
                        As for the state, built on the basis of the theory of Marx, it collapsed, proving to the whole world its fallacy.

                        it collapsed because it departed from the theory of Marx, and stopped developing it.
                        Quote: bystander
                        As for the cost, I did not confuse anything, and if you read more closely what you yourself quoted above, then you will understand this.
                        it is you who suggest using the philistine meaning of the word cost, equating it to price. This suggests that you have studied the theory superficially. And it makes no sense to talk with you because the language is not developed. You do not use special terminology. You know in philosophy there is a synthesis, it is a kind of cognition of the world through the folding of simple things into complex ones, there is analysis - disassembly, when a complex object is disassembled into simple components. The analogy of homology ....
                        And you are philistine - collapsed, because Marx lived! this is when the zombies masses bring such simple relations. The communists were so ashamed - that the market would come, and according to the Marxists, and put everything in its place, and people thought - well, that means the Party decided to revive the market and went on to build capitalism with a blunt herd. You are apparently very young and you may not know the nightmare that I saw.
                        And now, around the completely zombie egoists who see a distorted picture of the world, not representing ways to solve the country's development problem. Bitterly because of this. Thanks if you read, you can not answer.
                      8. passerby
                        passerby 7 July 2019 14: 45
                        0
                        I think you just haven’t figured out what you are writing, so you have thoughts that someone is confusing something. Education is not enough for you. As for the Question “Why did it crash”, the answer to this question, in short and in Russian, is that Soviet economic thought armed with the “most advanced” Marxist theory could not answer the very simple question - how much does an academician cost per hour, how 100 hours of work of the worker, or maybe 10000 hours of work of the worker, or maybe vice versa, the hour of work of the worker, which is like 10000 hours of work of an academician? It would seem such a simple question, but in the USSR they could not find an answer to this simple question and the lack of an answer to this question led to the collapse of a great country. And all you write about “zombies” and other “nightmares” are all emotions, moreover, it’s ridiculous to read about “young people” when you and I don’t even know each other and you can’t even imagine what I saw. All the best. And if you really want to more or less understand the economy, read or listen to Alexander Auzan, he is a great clever and explains everything very intelligibly and clearly. He is the dean of the economics faculty of Moscow State University, so that you do not have the question “who is this” or “how competent is he”.
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        Quote: bystander
                        As for the state, built on the basis of the theory of Marx, it collapsed, proving to the whole world its fallacy.

                        it collapsed because it departed from the theory of Marx, and stopped developing it.
                        Quote: bystander
                        As for the cost, I did not confuse anything, and if you read more closely what you yourself quoted above, then you will understand this.
                        it is you who suggest using the philistine meaning of the word cost, equating it to price. This suggests that you have studied the theory superficially. And it makes no sense to talk with you because the language is not developed. You do not use special terminology. You know in philosophy there is a synthesis, it is a kind of cognition of the world through the folding of simple things into complex ones, there is analysis - disassembly, when a complex object is disassembled into simple components. The analogy of homology ....
                        And you are philistine - collapsed, because Marx lived! this is when the zombies masses bring such simple relations. The communists were so ashamed - that the market would come, and according to the Marxists, and put everything in its place, and people thought - well, that means the Party decided to revive the market and went on to build capitalism with a blunt herd. You are apparently very young and you may not know the nightmare that I saw.
                        And now, around the completely zombie egoists who see a distorted picture of the world, not representing ways to solve the country's development problem. Bitterly because of this. Thanks if you read, you can not answer.
                      9. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 7 July 2019 22: 26
                        0
                        and you read Popov "Dialectics, the key to truth"
                      10. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 7 July 2019 22: 55
                        0
                        Quote: bystander
                        listen to Alexander Auzan

                        I’ve been chewing for two hours Auzan, who, in turn, chews Adam Smith, and who is Medvedev’s personal economist .... I’ll finish the book, the principle I have is to read it if I take it. The problem with the coefficient of usefulness of information. It seems that I read Dale Korneghi from the economy, which puts human weaknesses and social protection mechanisms arising at the forefront .....
                      11. passerby
                        passerby 9 July 2019 06: 20
                        +1
                        I think you should be funny yourself. You, even without a specialized education, are talking about the lack of useful information in the monograph of a World-famous Scientist Economist :)
                      12. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 9 July 2019 12: 53
                        -1
                        Quote: bystander
                        monographs of the World-famous Scientist Economist :)

                        under whose leadership the Russian economy is ahead of the rest laughing
                        Have you read about dialectics? can you send the text? otherwise I gave 800 rubles for your idol, but now I’m sorry.
                        Quote: bystander
                        You, even without a specialized education

                        I passed the candidate minimum according to Marx, so I understand more than you.
                      13. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 7 July 2019 22: 57
                        0
                        Quote: bystander
                        I think you just haven’t figured out what you are writing, so you have thoughts that someone is confusing something.

                        answer the question: - what will happen if our country tightly binds the ruble to a kilowatt of energy?
                      14. passerby
                        passerby 9 July 2019 06: 17
                        +1
                        There will be nothing good. The money supply will be limited by the amount of electricity that a country can produce, moreover, at some point, someone who has significant reserves of money may require immediate exchange of them for electricity, which will result in a collapse of the country's economy and life support systems. This is if vskidku and shortly. I do not quite understand why you believe such an offer?
                      15. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 9 July 2019 14: 49
                        -1
                        Quote: bystander
                        There will be nothing good.

                        It will be good. production and transportation of electricity is a high-tech process in which a wide variety of industries are involved. A new world standard appears as an alternative to the dollar, someone will have to make room
                        Quote: bystander
                        Money supply will be limited by electricity

                        oh hey hey and ah ah ah laughing the volume of electricity is infinite as time ..... electricity is just a standard. In principle, the costs of any labor, resources, and even food can be converted into kilowatts, so any tangible goods can become the equivalent of electricity and, accordingly, the money supply will depend not on momentary electricity, but on the production of goods that are essentially a form of energy.
                        Quote: bystander
                        at some point, someone with significant reserves of money may require that they be immediately exchanged for electricity

                        and at the same time he will threaten with nuclear missiles ???? smile
                        Quote: bystander
                        the result of which will be the collapse of the economy and the country's life support systems.

                        No comment, I think that a person applying for the title of economist already understood something. Actually, I believe that the time has come to improve the theory of Marx, the share of human labor in production becomes insignificant, but the share of energy expended tends to 100% of the value of the goods. No wonder all modern wars over energy
            2. Harry.km
              Harry.km 5 July 2019 09: 30
              -2
              Quote: Stas157
              Is this normal for an oil and gas superpower in the 21st century?

              You already decide whether there is a shortage of shoes, or is it still a superpower ... One with the other, as it does not fit the word at all! ))))
              And you don’t need to earn ... there are dumps, a porch and SMS for treatment.
      2. Dwellernet
        Dwellernet 4 July 2019 12: 50
        +5
        It’s such a blessing that everything is in order with your health. Because if you have health problems, then you will fly into such poverty that at least once a week it will be satisfying to eat for you for happiness.
        1. passerby
          passerby 4 July 2019 16: 19
          -3
          We seem to be discussing healthy and not sick people.
    4. Gardamir
      Gardamir 4 July 2019 07: 11
      +13
      due to feed problems
      Compound feeds are made from grain, which Russia (urra) exports abroad.
      1. ivagulin
        ivagulin 4 July 2019 08: 57
        +8
        No, the whole problem there is in vitamins, hormones, stimulants, antibiotics, and we no longer produce them, they are imported from abroad. It is also interesting that all these foreign components with the same name and manufacturer for Russia and their own consumers come in different quality, concentration, purity, respectively, to us are no longer high quality
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 4 July 2019 22: 58
          +2
          Quote: ivagulin
          No, it’s all about vitamins, hormones, stimulants, antibiotics, and we don’t produce them anymore.

          shock for me was about five years ago when I saw that we were buying bleach, caustic and potassium permanganate in China!
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 4 July 2019 09: 15
        -3
        The problem is not due to feed, but because of premixes. Which is not made from grain. You wanted meat grown without additives? Receive, but at a different price.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 5 July 2019 14: 44
          -1
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          You wanted meat grown without additives?

          Life is a way of existence of protein bodies as a result of physical and chemical reactions. Engels.
          In grain, the protein content can vary by half. If you add legumes, for example soy, then the protein content is 3-4 times higher. Naturally, meat grown on soya additives will be better, labor costs are lower, but only the cost is higher. Well, we do not grow such soybeans as there is in warm Europe.
    5. Boris55
      Boris55 4 July 2019 07: 59
      -2
      Quote: Olegater
      I personally work to pay for this housing and buy food, that's all!

      Utilities should not cost more than 22% of the total income of all prescribed. If you registered the floor of the village of relatives in your living space, and you pay alone, then yes, you will not have any salary.

      Quote: Olegater
      meat of all varieties will be increased by 10% due to problems with animal feed

      By the fall, the price of gasoline and other fuel will rise. They do not want to be held accountable for NOT fulfilling the "May Decrees" and therefore they are doing everything to blow up the country and evade responsibility, to make Putin guilty of everything, just as they did with the pension reform ...

      With regards to money in general.
      They, from the means of the engine of the economy, have long turned into a means of enslavement. Until the price of labor, both production and management, has been determined, we will still be assigned salaries from the ceiling, and prices for everything will depend not on the cost of producing the product and delivering it to the consumer, but solely on the purchasing power of the population.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 4 July 2019 09: 08
        +12
        Quote: Boris55
        A communal apartment should not cost more than 22% of the total income of all registered.

        Sverdlovsk region, registered-3e, only for "warmth" !!! in winter the price tag comes 8500, pension 12 .... where is 000%?
        1. garrett
          garrett 4 July 2019 09: 40
          +6
          S-Pb ... up to 10k in winter, housing reached
        2. Boris55
          Boris55 4 July 2019 10: 50
          -9
          Quote: Aerodrome
          Sverdlovsk region, registered-3e, only for "warmth" !!! in winter the price tag comes 8500, pension 12 .... where is 000%?

          If the payment is higher than 22% total income prescribed, then you will have to run in loyalty and apply for a benefit.
      2. Honest Citizen
        Honest Citizen 4 July 2019 10: 07
        +12
        Boris55, I am writing to you.
        They do not want to be held accountable for NOT fulfilling the "May Decrees", and therefore they are doing everything to blow up the country and evade responsibility, to make Putin guilty of everything, just as they did with the pension reform ...

        Three times ha ha ha. You laid out a movie yesterday yesterday about Gref’s breakfast ...
        You see, dear Boris, the tales that the tsar is good about the boyar are bad, not only that they are tired, they already cause a specific negative.
        If you are for Putin with all your heart, then answer such a simple question: why is this so, the tsar has the Russian Guard, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the army - and SUCH number of "bad boyars"? After all, after the annexation of Crimea, even if Putin "carried out mass executions" among the "bad boyars", the people would have erected a golden monument to him during his lifetime. After all, the bad ones, then and now, include the same people. What was stopping him?
        And the answer, IMHO, is obvious. Putin appoints "loyal people" and asks them "how smart". And this, you see, is far from the same thing. But this is my answer. It can be added: they do not give up their own people, which in translation means that Putin is well aware of what his "boyars" are doing. And as long as one of the boyars of the "middle" or "distant" circle does not jump above his head (every cricket know your six) he is allowed to steal. This does not apply to the inner circle.
        So answer the question. Your opinion is very interesting to me.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 4 July 2019 10: 58
          -9
          Quote: Honest Citizen
          the tsar has the Rosgvardia, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the army - and SUCH the number of "bad boyars"?

          Well, what kind of king is he if he cannot manage the treasury, and the boyars do this in three readings? If he cannot write Laws, but only Decrees? If he cannot even ask the people for advice - to hold a referendum?

          Unfortunately, money rules the world. Any banker can suspend all transfers to our cards with one keystroke, thereby causing indignation of the people, and there’s someone who can tell you who to direct this anger to (as with the pension reform). Similarly, they can block all accounts of enterprises, etc.

          How did the army of the USSR and other power structures collapse? - Stopped paying money.

          1. Honest Citizen
            Honest Citizen 4 July 2019 11: 08
            +10
            Well, what kind of king is he if he cannot manage the treasury, and the boyars do this in three readings? If he cannot write Laws, but only Decrees? If he cannot even ask the people for advice - to hold a referendum?

            Hence, "The king is not real!" (from) In other words, you say that Putin is a puppet, a man on whom "they hang all the dogs", but in reality the country is ruled by others? Is it so? He signs the decrees, he is responsible for everything, but in fact "he was framed"?
            Well then, do not be surprised that "the cat abandoned the kittens - it is Putin's fault."
            Although, frankly speaking, having law enforcement agencies in their hands, it should not raise any questions at all to carry out a clever "cleanup".
            In addition, if you assume that you are right, it turns out that Russia EXTERNAL control. And this external management, it took care of itself, of bringing both the population and its standard of living to what the demoniac Fuhrer was going to do.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 4 July 2019 11: 10
              -11
              Quote: Honest Citizen
              if we assume that you are right, it turns out that Russia has EXTERNAL governance.

              An absolutely true and illustrative example is the implementation of a pension reform at the direction of the IMF, which is ruled by the United States.

              Putin’s latest agreement with Xi Jinping on switching to payments in national currencies increases Russia's sovereignty and reduces US influence.
              1. Honest Citizen
                Honest Citizen 4 July 2019 11: 16
                +4
                Well, and how then to compare EXTERNAL governance in domestic politics and completely different in Russia's foreign policy as a state?
                Remember the times of Yeltsin - the strife of Yugoslavia, the weak Foreign Minister Kosarev (now lives in the USA) - these are signs of foreign governance in foreign policy.
                And now, excuse me, it does not fit. Exchange of Crimea for pension reform? Not even funny. American capitalism, if controlled, would not have allowed it. And a vivid example is Ukraine.
                With external control, we would have surrendered Syria a long time ago.
                So, excuse me, it does not fit.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 4 July 2019 11: 22
                  -5
                  Quote: Honest Citizen
                  Exchange of Crimea for pension reform?

                  Not understood? And here is Crimea from which side? belay Exactly the same pension reform has passed in Ukraine.

                  Quote: Honest Citizen
                  American capitalism, if controlled, would not have allowed it. And a vivid example is Ukraine.

                  At one time, curators from the USA sat in all departments at the same time as in Ukraine, no decision was made without their visa. With the advent of Putin, we will slowly climb out from under them. Therefore, today we can do a lot, including Syria and Crimea. We will gain full sovereignty when we become financially independent.
                  1. Honest Citizen
                    Honest Citizen 4 July 2019 11: 33
                    +4
                    Are you by any chance a fan of a certain Nikolai Starikov?
                    Pension reform ... Yes, this is precisely the consequences of the sanctions, on the one hand, since the state has no money. And on the other hand, I can only repeat my comment: this is blasphemy - first to ruin the entire industry, and demand work until 65 years ..
                    But for some reason I see the situation differently. The inner circle has so much compromising material on "comrades and himself" that they are simply on guard. And Putin missed the moment when any compromising material on him was just an empty phrase. In other words, he simply gave in to whatever was asked of him. And he simply does not affect the situation, which just means that he is well aware of all the "problems", but simply does not solve them. This means that he simply does not run the country, but nevertheless bears full responsibility for everything that happens inside. The cat abandoned the kittens ...
                    Well, or, as the last option, Putin is a weak president, if he cannot restore order in the country, having in his complete subordination the entire power block.
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 5 July 2019 08: 40
                      -1
                      Quote: Honest Citizen
                      Are you by any chance a fan of a certain Nikolai Starikov?

                      Not. Starikov is forbidden to discuss problems above the third priority of generalized controls. I am a Bolshevik who defends the interests of the majority, and the majority is for Putin.

                      Quote: Honest Citizen
                      So he just doesn’t rule the country,

                      It only means that you are throwing dust on the wrong one and roll the barrel.
                      You can change at least 10 Putin, but everything will remain the same, and most likely it will be even worse. See Ukraine.
                      1. Honest Citizen
                        Honest Citizen 5 July 2019 10: 45
                        +2
                        You can change at least 10 Putin, but everything will remain the same, and most likely it will be even worse. See Ukraine.

                        Sumptuously! You couldn't say better! "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down, you are all no good for musicians" (c) In other words, you just confirmed that our "86% oddryams" does not affect anything. This means that they will undress us as they stripped us, the robbery will continue, as they lied from the TV screen, and they will continue to lie. Which again suggests that the great hockey player is in the subject of what is happening.
                        Neither he nor his relatives have a desire to do anything for the population, for the people — we are an electorate for them, and then every 4 years.
                        In general, the conclusion is this. For you, at least. Do not watch TV, just try to think for yourself.
                      2. Boris55
                        Boris55 5 July 2019 12: 56
                        -1
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Sumptuously! You can’t say better!

                        We all live by the laws, including the president. Until the Duma changes laws, our lives will not change. Do you understand this? You understand that when there was the Stalin Constitution (the basic law incorporates all the subsequent ones), there was one way of life, there was the Brezhnev Constitution - it was different, there is today, we have what we have. Do you understand this? Do you understand that any president who is the guarantor of the Constitution cannot violate it?

                        And in your own words: "In general, the conclusion is this. For you, at least. Don't watch TV, just try to think for yourself."
                      3. Honest Citizen
                        Honest Citizen 5 July 2019 13: 03
                        +2
                        We all live by the laws, including the president. Until the Duma changes laws, our lives will not change. Do you understand this? You understand that when there was the Stalin Constitution (the basic law incorporates all the subsequent ones), there was one way of life, there was the Brezhnev Constitution - it was different, there is today, we have what we have. Do you understand this? Do you understand that any president who is the guarantor of the Constitution cannot violate it?

                        Who wrote this text to you? In your opinion, it turns out that for 18 years of power, it was NOT possible to do anything? Including initiatives to review or even write a new constitution? Once again, let me remind you that in 2014, after the annexation of Crimea, Putin could do EVERYTHING. Absolutely. He had no opponents; all his people would support his undertakings. He did absolutely nothing.
                        And on account of the fact that "we all live by the laws" - you, please, leave these slogans for rallies. Well, or say these words to Sechin, Miller, Ivanov and others like that ...
                        Yes, at least Mare Baghdasaryan.
                      4. Boris55
                        Boris55 5 July 2019 16: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        In your opinion, it turns out that for 18 years of power, it was NOT possible to do anything?

                        Tell me, where are Gusinsky, Shaimiev, Luzhkov, etc. from the seven-boyars, etc.?

                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Including initiatives to review or even write a new constitution?

                        According to the Constitution, of which he is the guarantor, the Constitution can be changed by the Constitutional Assembly, the law on which the Duma has not wanted to consider 4 times.

                        It is necessary to change the social system. Only then can drastic changes occur, and so is pulling sheep's skins on the wolf.
                      5. Honest Citizen
                        Honest Citizen 5 July 2019 22: 39
                        0
                        According to the Constitution, of which he is the guarantor, the Constitution can be changed by the Constitutional Assembly, the law on which the Duma has not wanted to consider 4 times.

                        Those. are you sure that the State Duma decides something? This is despite the fact that there is an overwhelming majority "for Putin" - from the United Russia. My God ... I'm shocked by your words.
                        Either you don’t understand HOW such questions are really being solved, or you are really a naive person and also a fan of Nikolai Starikov.
                        Please do not consider it an insult.
                      6. Boris55
                        Boris55 9 July 2019 08: 08
                        -1
                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        Those. Are you sure that the State Duma is solving something?

                        Yes, it is she who passes the laws in the interests of the bourgeoisie and does not give a damn about the people.

                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        This is despite the fact that there is an overwhelming majority "for Putin" - from the United Russia.

                        Only in words.
                        They understand that the overwhelming majority of the people are for Putin, so they try to cling to him. Putin also works with them. it is the only force capable of making laws and enforcing them. It makes no sense to "be friends" with the Communist Party or the Liberal Democratic Party - they do not decide anything.

                        Putin refused the EP Services even in the 2012 year, when he created a new ONF management structure for the next election, but it soon became pro-bourgeois and therefore he went as an independent in the last election.

                        Quote: Honest Citizen
                        In addition, a fan of Nikolai Starikov

                        I am not a fan of Starikov - he does not rise above the 3 management priority in his activities. I am a Bolshevik and uphold the interests of the majority.
                      7. karabas86
                        karabas86 8 July 2019 23: 13
                        -1
                        And the change of terms in power - did not the thought decide? You are enchantingly stupid. Like all putenoids.
                    2. karabas86
                      karabas86 8 July 2019 23: 10
                      0
                      He is probably a fan of the clown Fedorov, a child smoker.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 4 July 2019 23: 00
          -1
          Quote: Honest Citizen
          You see, dear Boris, the tales that the tsar is good about the boyar are bad, not only that they are tired, they already cause a specific negative.

          "no peaceful cloven-hoofed animal can be the leader of a pack of predators" - a Negro folk wisdom, I think it is appropriate in your dispute
      3. Alf
        Alf 4 July 2019 20: 03
        +3
        Quote: Boris55
        make Putin guilty of everything

        V..m..b ... so what, again Putin is not to blame for anything.
      4. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 5 July 2019 14: 55
        -1
        Quote: Boris55
        They, from the means of the engine of the economy, have long turned into a means of enslavement.
        They always were.
        The question is different. What is the equivalent of money in our country? based on the theory of value, money is a quantitative expression of the value of productive labor. Money in the form of working capital, means of production, labor and energy infrastructure is industrial capital.
        In our country, money has turned into financial capital and the equivalent of gas and oil sold abroad. Therefore, they are not the engine of the economy, but the currency pump for pumping well-being through the Nordic flows!
    6. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 4 July 2019 08: 39
      +14
      .
      Well. Complete stagnation wink .at. specific historical conditions of existence ... at the same time .atom is still the same .all is the same water ..but .that is not that ..Where? wink
      1. passerby
        passerby 4 July 2019 08: 51
        -13
        And imagine what? This did not suit people. People stood up and dispersed in unison the CPSU which these rates provided for them. Funny right?
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 4 July 2019 09: 05
          +11
          Quote: passerby
          And imagine what? This did not suit people. People stood up and dispersed in unison the CPSU which these rates provided for them. Funny right?

          rush sir? It was not people who dispersed the CPSU, but the treacherous bunch that organized this "dispersal", tell the truth if you argue here.
          1. passerby
            passerby 4 July 2019 11: 35
            -2
            In no case. I just give the facts. And how, in your opinion, did the “treacherous company” deal with the multimillion-dollar Soviet people if they were all as one for the Communist Party? Maybe you can recall the "multimillion-strong rallies of Soviet citizens" protesting against the dispersal of the CPSU?
            Quote: Aerodrome
            Quote: passerby
            And imagine what? This did not suit people. People stood up and dispersed in unison the CPSU which these rates provided for them. Funny right?

            rush sir? It was not people who dispersed the CPSU, but the treacherous bunch that organized this "dispersal", tell the truth if you argue here.
          2. Captain45
            Captain45 5 July 2019 09: 36
            0
            Quote: Aerodrome
            rush sir? It was not people who dispersed the CPSU, but the treacherous bunch that organized this "dispersal", tell the truth if you argue here.

            But what about the 18 million members of the CPSU? Or was it in the Komsomol? I don't remember now. Well, in general, the most agrarian number of advanced fighters for a brighter future and suddenly some kind of "group". And where were the fighters for the bright future of mankind? Or was it not they who ran in crowds of thousands of people around Moscow and shouted: "Yeltsin! Democracy !!" Wanted 200 varieties of sausages and jeans, now choke ..... in Montana pants. By the way, in that joke, the winner declares: "And I have - KOZYRNAYA MONTANA !!!!". The democrats declared about the same to the people after they got hold of the people's treasury.
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 4 July 2019 09: 19
          +5
          The CPSU had to be dispersed back in the 60s. You look and the whole country would remain. Moreover, the Communists have not gone anywhere - every second in the Duma and the government is either a communist in the past or a Komsomol functionary.
        3. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 4 July 2019 23: 06
          0
          Quote: bystander
          And imagine what? It didn’t suit people

          like that, right away, they immediately dispersed ..... Yes, people were treated for several years by the AIDS Info, Hollywood newspaper, the Communists were obliged to build a market that would restore order according to Marx .... wassat , people on the same day talk about the fight against drunkenness and alcoholism and at the same time cancel the state monopoly on vodka, there was something to go crazy !! and besides, the party elite actually became a bourgeois layer, and they promised the people - Right now the market will be and everyone will heal!
          Quote: bystander
          CPSU which provided these tariffs for them
          It was not the CPSU that provided it, but the system built by Stalin.
          1. passerby
            passerby 5 July 2019 03: 49
            -1
            So I did not understand you - is the CPSU bad or good?
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Quote: bystander
            And imagine what? It didn’t suit people

            like that, right away, they immediately dispersed ..... Yes, people were treated for several years by the AIDS Info, Hollywood newspaper, the Communists were obliged to build a market that would restore order according to Marx .... wassat , people on the same day talk about the fight against drunkenness and alcoholism and at the same time cancel the state monopoly on vodka, there was something to go crazy !! and besides, the party elite actually became a bourgeois layer, and they promised the people - Right now the market will be and everyone will heal!
            Quote: bystander
            CPSU which provided these tariffs for them
            It was not the CPSU that provided it, but the system built by Stalin.
        4. karabas86
          karabas86 8 July 2019 23: 15
          0
          Enchanting ******* in a spherical vacuum.
  4. Bull Terrier
    Bull Terrier 4 July 2019 05: 47
    0
    Housing and communal services is really a strange topic. there, in my opinion, it is safe to carry out prosecutorial checks on an ongoing basis because they are already completely insolent.
    1. kjhg
      kjhg 4 July 2019 06: 51
      +20
      I am surprised at you, however, as always. The state has SPECIALLY handed over housing and communal services to private hands. And these private hands are not strangers, but who needs hands. I do not mean small management companies, although they are mainly owned by local kings, but large. In energy, these are large fragments of the former RAO UES. In terms of heat, these are large heat-generating companies. By water - seized former city Vodokanals. All of them were given into the reliable hands of the same large business, i.e. near-government people. Therefore, the ruling group is directly interested in increasing the cost of housing services. We need to look at the cause of everything that is happening in our country, and not at the investigation and the next switchmen, who are being sacrificed to the people by the real masters of our country. It is they who are the reason for the impoverishment of the people, decline and total lag behind the West.
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 4 July 2019 07: 29
        -10
        but sorry, of course, the state itself should do this? why are you looking for conspiracies where ordinary grabbers climbed into the subject? and all you need is just to deal with them so that the banks would not be confused? I remember my childhood well, in the summer there is no hot water. generally all summer. every year at the end of spring, pipes are broken and in the fall back. every single year. this is how the state represented by the Union, for example, cared for me in the housing sector. Now the claim is only one-time dance with tambourines at prices. I am ready to pay any reasonable price if the service suits me. but eternal, counting all that is possible, I really got confused.
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 4 July 2019 08: 44
          +8
          There are different states. [
          Recall Libya at Gaddafi

          1. Bull Terrier
            Bull Terrier 4 July 2019 09: 14
            -13
            150 million country now, adjust these numbers instead of a country in which the people lived less than in Moscow.
      2. passerby
        passerby 4 July 2019 08: 31
        -8
        You are just not familiar with the question. Try to ask how many private traders in your city are ready to donate the same boiler houses to the municipality for free, and the latter refuses to accept them? I came across this issue when the HOA does not pay for heat, and the private trader cannot turn off this heat by law, the courts won everything, but there is no money. At the same time, for several years he cannot transfer this boiler house to the municipality for free, since he constantly finds a reason not to take it to the balance sheet, as a result, the organization, the owner of the boiler house, simply went into bankruptcy.
        1. garrett
          garrett 4 July 2019 09: 48
          +6
          and the tariffs of natural monopolies such as Gazprom is not the state should regulate ???? and by the way, where did you see private boiler houses ???? I’ll tell you a terrible secret))) all boiler houses are either on lease or with an LLC, the shareholders of which are local administrations. These desks are not checked by anyone, from the word at all (I mean audit, 223 fz, etc.), only tax and boiler supervision once every three years .... but no, the Rosgvard still checked, they wrote a fine for 30k individuals and it all ended)
          1. passerby
            passerby 4 July 2019 11: 38
            -5
            There is no need to open the “Secret”; read the first part of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation and the legislation on local self-government; municipalities cannot be participants in business associations. You before you learn the "secrets" to open the mat part.
            Quote: Garrett
            and the tariffs of natural monopolies such as Gazprom is not the state should regulate ???? and by the way, where did you see private boiler houses ???? I’ll tell you a terrible secret))) all boiler houses are either on lease or with an LLC, the shareholders of which are local administrations. These desks are not checked by anyone, from the word at all (I mean audit, 223 fz, etc.), only tax and boiler supervision once every three years .... but no, the Rosgvard still checked, they wrote a fine for 30k individuals and it all ended)
            1. garrett
              garrett 4 July 2019 16: 34
              0
              I don't even want to answer ..... damn it, what did I write ???? Or did you find fault with the word "shareholder"? OK, I'm correcting myself, not a shareholder, but a founder .... from this the essence has changed ??? Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer (s)
              1. passerby
                passerby 4 July 2019 16: 37
                -3
                You didn’t understand and cannot be a founder :) But on the other hand, we are smartly discussing the problems of housing and communal services, really a “writer”
                1. garrett
                  garrett 4 July 2019 16: 42
                  +1
                  Throw proofs for you ???? it's easy to find out who the founder is by the inn)))) but if I work for you, you in the branch undertake to write to yourself "I am a balabol" Ready ???
                  ps can you look at the government procurement website which of these companies work under 223FZ, or you don’t understand what kind of business entities work under this law ???
    2. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 4 July 2019 06: 54
      +4
      Quote: Bull Terrier
      Housing and communal services is really a strange topic

      what’s strange? ... I’m the chairman of TSN .... I haven’t changed the tariff since December 18, I have 34.41, I really don’t have enough money to pay for resources, though in my MKD I don’t pay at all about 58 apartments .. . although we plow as slaves ...
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 4 July 2019 07: 41
        -5
        Yes, I also have a normal partnership, or whatever is right. the services are generally all super. even the asphalt at the house was completely changed. There are excellent playgrounds near the house, and even a sports one with a new coating so that children do not get killed. Strangely, this is something that I no longer understand why some are cheaper than others while at the same time houses in one district of the city.
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 4 July 2019 08: 05
          +1
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          strange it is that I ceased to understand why some are cheaper than others

          to change the tariff, you must vote it at the general meeting! someone voted ... someone is not ... that's different, what does each house have its own story with the resources .... somewhere on the counters, somewhere on the standards ..... the price from this dances, again owner payments are highly influential
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 4 July 2019 09: 23
            -1
            And you try to drive people to this meeting. Everybody cares, I’m better not give a dam to the country. Then they whine - for them, it turns out, a good uncle should decide.
            1. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 5 July 2019 07: 20
              0
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              And you try to drive people to this meeting

              elementary! .... an absentee meeting and then a month go around the apartments with ballots!
    3. passerby
      passerby 4 July 2019 08: 25
      -8
      There, in fact, everything is much more complicated than it seems. Somewhere tariffs are overstated, somewhere underestimated. If real tariffs are set for everyone based on the actual costs of maintaining housing and communal services, then somewhere tariffs will decrease, and somewhere they will increase dramatically, since they contain the same boiler room, designed initially for 100 thousand subscribers, when now it actually serves 5000 subscribers expensive and real rates for these 5000 subscribers should be many times higher than now. It is clear that such a situation, when you literally have to go to the calculation of the actual costs of maintaining each specific boiler house, contributes to theft and corruption, but so far no one has come up with what to do and how to deal with it. The circle is closed there, when the owners of boiler houses and other housing and communal services infrastructure, in the case of tariff cuts or subsidies by any hook or by crook, begin to try to throw this infrastructure off their balance, to the extent that they intend to go bankrupt, and administrations do not want to by hook or by crook take this infrastructure into balance, since it carries with it only Hemorrhoids.
      1. The popuas
        The popuas 4 July 2019 09: 11
        +3
        I have a boiler room near my house, everything was done on gas automatically back in the 90s, I don’t see anyone there, only in the summer sometimes a Poseidon’s car laughing it’s so called a locksmith from the housing and communal services, so what service are you talking about?
        1. garrett
          garrett 4 July 2019 09: 54
          -2
          you drive your car on THAT, carry out unscheduled repairs ??? So with the boiler room the same thing .... or do you think Buderus and Weismann is perpetum mobile ??))))
          1. The popuas
            The popuas 4 July 2019 11: 57
            +4
            I write what I see, gas workers do pressure testing once a year, electricians check automation once a year! But in housing and communal services they justify overstated tariffs by the fact that the boiler room should pay off! Although it has been standing for twenty years! You do not justify the grabber from utilities. In such articles do not like this wink and yes, I’m repairing my car at my own expense, and don’t shift the fee to children, and grabbers from utilities are stealing money, and all the repairs are being transferred to us with you!
            1. garrett
              garrett 4 July 2019 16: 37
              -1
              you did not understand me correctly))) I wanted to say that any equipment needs to be serviced and it costs money, but the state does not control natural monopolies, gas and electricity prices are really overpriced
            2. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 5 July 2019 07: 22
              -1
              Quote: Popuas
              and grabbers from utilities steal money

              they don’t steal, but they are legally taken away! ... these are different things!
              1. Captain45
                Captain45 5 July 2019 09: 45
                +1
                Quote: Tiksi-3
                they don’t steal, but they are legally taken away! ... these are different things!

                "I am not a raider! I am an ideological fighter for banknotes!" (C) O. Bender "The Golden Calf"
                Under this quote will sign all the utilities of our vast country. They do not steal, they just want to eat bread with butter and preferably with caviar.
                1. Tiksi-3
                  Tiksi-3 5 July 2019 09: 47
                  -1
                  Quote: Captain45
                  They do not steal, they just want to eat bread with butter and preferably with caviar.

                  essentially there is something to say? .... TARIFFS who forms ... management companies ??? ... I am against the Criminal Code categorically, but all under the same comb of revenge - this is stupidity!
        2. passerby
          passerby 4 July 2019 11: 40
          -4
          Read RD how many arrested workers should be in the state of the organization operating the boiler room and what they should be doing and you will immediately understand everything.
          1. passerby
            passerby 4 July 2019 11: 41
            -4
            I apologize, certified of course
            1. The popuas
              The popuas 4 July 2019 11: 58
              +3
              No need to apologize, this is not a typo, it must be done a long time ago, arrested and imprisoned.
              1. passerby
                passerby 4 July 2019 16: 32
                -3
                What a stern comrade you are, however. So, take and plant certified workers, whose fault is that they serve boiler houses? Or maybe the owners of these LLCs need to be planted, who wholeheartedly want to get rid of these boiler houses and transfer them to the balance of the municipality, but he does not want to take them to his balance under the most ridiculous pretexts? I saw with my own eyes the act of putting into operation a residential building, signed, among other things, by an official who, half a year after putting the building into operation (of course, together with the boiler house that heated the house), signs the LLC’s response about the impossibility of accepting the boiler house on the balance sheet of the municipality, because “it does not meet the requirements of the RD”. And after that, someone else will write about the fact that the owners of housing and communal services infrastructure are robbing the population? Yes, they cannot get rid of unprofitable infrastructure and are forced to go to incredible tricks to get rid of the great honor of providing housing and communal services to the population, which does not pay for these services and with which no one can do anything later.
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 4 July 2019 05: 50
    +5
    What will happen before - the end of the world, or in the field of housing and communal services will bring some sort of order? Everything is being snatched about and without, the people have been brought to such a state that, indeed, it is the Kremlin’s policy in the housing sector that can become a reason for mass protest against the Kremlin itself! And then the authorities will see the Russian revolt with their own eyes, and, on their ass, will find out what he really is.
    1. Vasily Ponomarev
      Vasily Ponomarev 4 July 2019 06: 37
      +9
      Well, if they steal so simply without a twinge, then probably they are not afraid of this rebellion?
    2. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 4 July 2019 08: 28
      -5
      yeah. only there everything is twisted. people like you or I. just because there is an opportunity. this brain must be redone and not put in order)
    3. passerby
      passerby 4 July 2019 08: 38
      -8
      You can look at the consequences of riots on the example of Ukraine, and at the same time compare the prices for housing and communal services there and in Russia. At any forum, boast to the Ukrainians about the presence of hot water and heat in the houses and laugh at the Ukrainian “fasten”, then again they are dissatisfied with something. Even over Europe they make fun of the fact that they save on heat there, walk in winter clothes in warm clothes. Just amazing people.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 4 July 2019 06: 42
    +8
    They increase the type of pension and salary, and this increase is offset by higher prices for services and higher taxes ....
  7. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 4 July 2019 06: 47
    +10
    One of the worst evils in the Russian economy is the fixed rule of "compensation" of tariffs and prices to "natural monopolies" and housing and communal services by "the amount of inflation (and salaries of officials of a certain level and level). This is what spins the inflationary wave in Russia and does not allow stabilizing prices. , practically everything.
    1. The popuas
      The popuas 4 July 2019 12: 03
      +3
      The worst thing in the Russian economy is that it is not growing, and the number of millionaires, billionaires is growing! yes then there is no income, except to take fat from residents .. angry
  8. Alex66
    Alex66 4 July 2019 06: 50
    +10
    So not long before the statements in the spirit: they say, pensioners who had to index pensions are to blame for the growth in the cost of a communal apartment! But what, it’s quite in the spirit of the pension reform carried out with the approval of VV, by our bacon and by us in the wort. In general, the government does not forget us soon, as in the cartoon mushrooms, berries and cones will be hidden for us to collect. What is our antisocial government.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 4 July 2019 08: 36
    +4
    The picture is tense, and often quite sad !!!
    In the village, at least somehow, though somewhere it’s not for everything and everything is being torn .... however GAZ, EL ENERGY and GARBAGE, this is not a little! They also want to impose bribes on other things!
    So sho and the village will soon "thank" any "guardians" for our "calm, prosperous" living!
    1. AUL
      AUL 4 July 2019 10: 42
      +2
      We still have one more "untapped" natural resource - air! And where does the Ministry of Agriculture look?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 July 2019 11: 16
        +2
        Well, yes, we will revise the cartoon "Cipollino" and learn to breathe less, or we will have to tackle the bricks / boulders !!! That there is a perspective .... multidirectional.
        Fairy tale \ cartoon, this is a fairy tale, but there is a hint in it !!! Previously, they could afford to "roll a barrel" on all sorts of Countesses Cherries and Seniors Pomodorov ... but now, if you don't look, where higher, into the ruling elite, they are there "county and seniors" ... at least, they already think of themselves as such!
        That and look, "slaves" will start flogging .... prepared and continue.
  10. Million
    Million 4 July 2019 08: 42
    +3
    It’s not even a matter of communal services (although, often they’re those bastards) how much is in the system
    1. yehat
      yehat 4 July 2019 11: 43
      +4
      communal workers are part of the system.
      I completely ceased to understand why I was paying the bills.
      but I want to, because payments have grown 4 times over 3 years.
  11. Sibguest
    Sibguest 4 July 2019 08: 55
    +10
    Hello fellow citizens
    The article mentions an attempt by state oil thieves and their business friends to somehow squeeze their "Wishlist" into the increase in tariffs by 4%.
    And do not want to immediately 11% !? That's what they decided to do in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug-Ugra - in Nizhnevartovsk.
    And the US governor even refused to communicate with the townspeople on this topic, because metropolitan businessmen set up this condition (raising tariffs by 11%), wishing to crush the main ones (once municipal, i.e. state, but privatized by local bureaucrats from EP) enterprise
    And when the people in Nizhnevartovsk decided to hold a referendum on the transfer of the rights of housing and communal services enterprises to visiting bloodsuckers - at first bureaucrats from the mayor's office in every possible way interfered with the preparation of documents for the referendum and then urgently decided to hold a meeting of the city duma (although, "duma" from the word "think", and when, instead of the brain, shit is no longer a thought) and "with gratitude, HAPPY to accept the offer of generous capital merchants."
    Although even in the State Duma there are people who have everything in order with their heads and conscience, they RECOMMENDED the Municipality of Nizhnevartovsk to hold a referendum!
    But where there! Where is Moscow, and where is Nizhnevartovsk! While the thought creeps from the capital to the county, it will be changed ten times and turned for the benefit of the bureaucrats who continue to rob the people.
  12. midshipman
    midshipman 4 July 2019 10: 04
    +6
    In the Baltic countries, the cost of electricity for the population is reduced. In Ukraine, it is less than in the Russian Federation. And who is to blame? Like a drunk, tagged, Red and Gaidar. Here is the result of their reign.
    Yesterday I saw how the people of the country in tears are experiencing the loss of housing in the Irkutsk region. And who is to blame that the dam was ownerless? Right Remember how a few years ago the same story happened with the dam of the Bratsk Hydroelectric Power Station. And then I remembered 1941. My mother and I were evacuated from Leningrad to the village of Bagandinsky Omsk region (now Tyumen region). So all evacuated immediately from the Peron were distributed to their homes. And it was 1941!
    1. karabas86
      karabas86 8 July 2019 23: 22
      0
      Money to repair the dam was stolen, so it could not stand it.
  13. iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul 4 July 2019 10: 32
    +4
    For a number of reasons my wife and I are 3 (THREE) !!!! we do not use gas for years and do not have a gas stove in the apartment. All these three years we have been demanding from the gas workers to turn off the gas for us and stop issuing bills. Gas is not turned off for us, bills are issued, we do not pay for them, after which they write to us: “If you don’t pay, we will turn off the gas”. Local courts stupidly do not pay attention to our arguments, for example, in one of the decisions it was written that we have the opportunity use neighbors' gas stoves. And the higher courts simply do not accept complaints, referring to procedural problems. Here is the housing and communal services.
  14. akunin
    akunin 4 July 2019 10: 44
    +4
    a plumber from the management company came to an elderly neighbor - the valve was leaking, fixed the leak - they set 5000 rubles. At the entrance I will post a notice: "I will change the valve (I will even change and bring my valve, and will not fix the leak) for 4000 rubles." laughing
  15. yehat
    yehat 4 July 2019 11: 42
    +3
    how can you manage the household if the rules change every year ???
    and so for more than 20 years!
  16. yehat
    yehat 4 July 2019 11: 49
    -1
    Quote: midshipman
    And who is to blame that the dam was ownerless

    you won’t believe it, but such a situation there has happened in my memory for the 3rd time and every time the same thing
    I remember how we schoolchildren jumped from the balconies to swim in the water and rejoiced at the new pool for the whole city, I remember how the parked Kamaz went completely under water.
    and each time it’s such a surprise ... but in fact the authorities’ inaction and not even the desire to allocate a penny to the prevention of important problems.
    besides, it drowns not those who are responsible for platinum, but those who are lower, and therefore DRUM.
    What is characteristic, it was the same in the USSR and in the Russian Federation.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 5 July 2019 18: 58
      +1
      Quote: yehat
      Quote: midshipman
      And who is to blame that the dam was ownerless

      you won’t believe it, but such a situation there has happened in my memory for the 3rd time and every time the same thing
      I remember how we schoolchildren jumped from the balconies to swim in the water and rejoiced at the new pool for the whole city, I remember how the parked Kamaz went completely under water.
      and each time it’s such a surprise ... but in fact the authorities’ inaction and not even the desire to allocate a penny to the prevention of important problems.
      besides, it drowns not those who are responsible for platinum, but those who are lower, and therefore DRUM.
      What is characteristic, it was the same in the USSR and in the Russian Federation.

      "No need to flog nonsense, it hurts!" (C)
      There were no ownerless dams, power grids and water pipelines in the Union. And it was always "extreme" in any emergency, therefore, if, according to the forecast, there was a rise in water (for example), the events began in early spring - the Executive Committee and GO, in particular, phoned / bypassed the boat owners and clarified their plans for the flood period. Even the military were privately fiddled with - an acquaintance who had a boat was going on vacation, he was asked to postpone, and the issue of postponing the vacation with the command was taken over. As a result, a flood, a deluge, he took out people on a boat, delivered food and water. I knew my place in the "combat crew" in advance. The population was also aware. Nobody died, no one was missing. It’s just that there was no Ministry of Emergencies then, probably. And the power was different.
  17. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 4 July 2019 12: 56
    +6
    Quote: midshipman
    So all evacuated immediately from the Peron were distributed to their homes. And it was 1941!

    Today, people themselves flee from small towns, realizing the complete hopelessness:
  18. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 4 July 2019 15: 08
    +1
    At the very least, the need to increase, for example, a description of the tasks for the modernization of communal infrastructure, now needs to be documented.
    Is everything ready. In our city, in one of the districts, the pipes of the main water supply are being changed. It seems like a good thing, though there is a nuance - the pipes are completely new. They were changed less than a year ago. But the justification for the rise in prices will be luxurious - there are such high costs for "repair" ...
  19. Roman070280
    Roman070280 5 July 2019 13: 36
    -1
    in different regions, the spread can really be quite large: from 3 percent in the regions of the North Caucasus up to 6-7 percent in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yakutia


    Well, nobody really wants the unfortunate Chechen / Dagestan to suddenly have to get a job and plow behind the machine ..
    I would be surprised that 100 km from Orenburg gasoline at 26 rubles ..
  20. Doliva63
    Doliva63 5 July 2019 18: 44
    -1
    Something always seemed to me that there were no housing and communal services - there are clearly divorced housing and utilities, these are two big differences. If the author puts everything in a heap, then he does not understand the issue. I did not read further.
  21. tank64rus
    tank64rus 8 July 2019 08: 22
    0
    "... the description of the tasks of modernizing the communal infrastructure, now it is necessary to document it." It is high time to plant a mistake, not a communal one, but a criminal one.
  22. yehat
    yehat 8 July 2019 09: 49
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    Quote: Doliva63
    There were no ownerless dams, power grids and water pipelines in the Union. And he was always "extreme" in any emergency

    in my memory there were 3 floods and each time the reason was the exploitation of the dam.
    every time they urgently repaired it
    and I never know that someone would answer for this with anything more than a reprimand.