Lend-Lease for "Truth"

“All this led to a weakening of our defenses and put the Soviet Union in mortal danger. Here the question is relevant: how to get out of this more than unfavorable situation? I think that there is only one way out of this situation: to create already this year a second front somewhere in the Balkans or in France that could pull 30-40 German divisions from the eastern front, and at the same time provide the Soviet Union with 30 thousand tons of aluminum to early October d. and monthly minimum assistance of 400 aircraft and 500 tanks (small or medium). Without these two types of assistance, the Soviet Union will either be defeated or weakened to the point that it loses its ability to provide assistance to its allies for a long time by its active actions on the front of the struggle against Hitlerism. ”
Correspondence of the Chairman of the USSR Council of Ministers with the Presidents of the USA and the Prime Ministers of Great Britain during the Great Patriotic War 1941-1945 In 2's volumes. M .: Gospolitizdat, 1958

British schoolgirls rejoice when they get for breakfast scrambled eggs from egg powder with bacon, delivered under a lend-lease from the USA. London, 1941 year

Lend-Lease Numbers. The subject of Lend-Lease deliveries on the pages of "VO" seems to have received quite a worthy reflection, but no-no, yes, among the comments, there are references to "payment in gold", Mongolian meat (more significant than the American stew) and all sorts of other mythological statements , testifying only about one thing - lack of information. That is, people write nonsense not from evil and not because of their intellectual inferiority, but out of ignorance. Well, they used the wrong sources ... But what sources are "those"?

It should be noted here that everyone wrote about Lend-Lease in the USSR era - from Marshal Zhukov to Yakovlev, an aircraft designer. I wrote about him and TSB, and eight-NEED BOO (Soviet Military Encyclopedia). However, if you look at which documents which of them referred to, you will not find any mention, and no one (!) About the most probably important source of information on this topic, namely, the message of the Soviet government “On the supply of weapons, strategic weapons to the Soviet Union raw materials, industrial equipment and foodstuffs of the United States, Britain and Canada ”, published by the press organ of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) Pravda newspaper on 11 June 1944. And then the question immediately arises: why didn't all these people refer to this official document? Why did not refer the same Zhukov? Did not know about him (funny even to think this) or afraid? But then what was the famed commander afraid of: an official source? True, in conversations with the same writer K.M. Simonov, he said something quite different. But words, even if recorded on a tape, are words, nothing more.

Interestingly, in N. Voznesensky’s book, The Military Economy of the USSR during the Patriotic War, the Western allies said that they were only 4% of Soviet production. But a recent ally in the anti-Hitler coalition was called: "The monopoly capitalism of the United States that was overweight on people's blood during the Second World War", which "now stands at the head of the imperialist and anti-democratic camp and became the imperialist pioneer in all parts of the world." Voznesensky himself, it is true, was later shot and his book was withdrawn from the libraries, but this figure remained in our historiography!

Well then - ignorance is always treated with what? Knowledge! And since most of the readers of “VO” did not have much time to turn to the newspaper “Pravda” (as well as to the magazines “Rodina”, “Military history magazine”, the journal “Questions stories"," History of the Russian state and law "and the magazine" USA and Canada "), that is, the meaning of this information to give.

So get ready: we have an interesting document in front of us!

Deliveries from the USA

To begin with, the message “On Supply ...” mentions three countries separately: these are the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada. It is emphasized that deliveries from the USA and Great Britain were carried out on the basis of the “Agreement on mutual deliveries, credit and payment arrangements” from August 16 1941 of the year, as well as on the basis of the “Agreement on the financing of military supplies and other military aid” from 27 June 1942, they came from Canada on the basis of the Canadian Mutual Assistance Act of Canada.

The first part of the message was taken away, of course, by the United States and it was stated that for the period from October 1 1941 and April 30 to 1944 in the USSR, under lend-lease (then “Lend-Lease” was written with a capital letter) 8,5 million tons of weapons, as well as strategic raw materials, food and industrial equipment worth 5.357 million dollars. But it was immediately clarified that out of all this quantity only 7,4 mln. Tons actually arrived in the USSR, and the sum itself turned out to be less — 4 612 mln. Dollars. Cited and the dynamics of supply: 1941 - 42. - 1.2 mln. Tons, 1943 g. - 4.1 mln. Tons and for 4 month 1944 g. - 2.1 mln. Tons. It was even reported the number of shipped cargo in transit on 1 in May 1944 g. - "by ship in the 68,4 route thousand t Moreover, it must be remembered that deliveries did not stop on 11 June 1945 of the year, and that they and 8 May 1945 of the year still continued and ended only after the end of the war with Japan ...

At the time of publication of this message in Pravda, 6 430 aircraft were received from the USA and, moreover, on account of the obligations of the UK, 2 442 aircraft; tanks - 3 734; minesweepers - 10; large submarine hunters - 12; and cars - 206 771. Here, in the text of the “Message ...”, the following note should be inserted: “during the war years, Soviet industry gave 265,6 vehicles thousands of cars to the front, and about 340 thousands were assembled from the Lend-lease kits. Well, all lend-lease supplies amounted to 427,5 thousand auto. After all, everything is relative, isn't it? However, other means of military mechanized transport were also supplied (the text of the “Message ...” does not specify what it was, but there were excellent articles by Roman Skomorokhov on the “VO”) - 5 397 units; motorcycles - 17 017; anti-aircraft guns - 3 168; guns "Oerlikon" - 1 111 (and again we recall that the "Oerlikon" went to the air defense of ships, that it became modern with their supply); shells - 22,4 million; cartridges - 991,4 million; gunpowder - 87.9 thousand; toluene, trinitrotoluene and ammonite - 130 ths. tons; field telephone wire - 1229 thou. km; telephone sets - 245 thousand; army boots - 5.5 million pairs; Army cloth - 22,8 million yards; tire covers - 2 073 thousand pcs. That is, we even received army cloth from the USA, and we certainly needed it. And the shoes? A total of USSR Lend Lease got their 15 417 000 pairs. Ponder this figure and remember the number of the Red Army ... You barely move your bare feet ...

Among the necessary strategic raw materials were supplied: high-octane aviation fuel (aviation gasoline and isooctane) - 476 thousand tons: aluminum and duralumin - 99 thousand tons: copper and its products - 184 thousand tons: zinc - 42 thousand tons .; nickel - 6.5 thousand tons; steel and steel products - 1 thousand tons: of which rails with fastenings - 160 thousand tons. Here again, it should be noted that the oil industry of the USSR in 246 worked unsatisfactorily and for the year of the war could satisfy the need of the People's Commissariat of Defense for aviation only 1941% for gasoline, 26,6% for diesel fuel; aviation oils - only 11,1%

However, perhaps the most important value had the machines, without which we ourselves could not have started the production of perfect military equipment. The “Message ...” indicates how many of them were delivered: - 20 380 pcs. machine tools; various industrial equipment - in the amount of 257. 2 million dollars, including power equipment with a total capacity of 288 thousand kW., Including also 263 mobile power plants with a total capacity of 39 thousand kW; equipment for 4-x refineries and for the aluminum rolling plant; 4 138 marine engines with a total capacity of 1 768,7 thousand l / s; 2 718 presses and mechanical hammers; 524 Crane. 209 excavator and for the needs of railway transport - 241 steam engines, cargo platforms - 1 154., Tanks for acid transport - 80 pcs. It should be added here that the equipment for the USSR refineries was extremely necessary, because we had oil, but there was always a shortage of production capacity for its distillation. The same was true of aluminum. The only plant for its production, although it continuously increased its output, never for the entire war on 100% did its production plan meet and aluminum was not enough for the aircraft factories. Lacked and rolled aluminum. So the supply of equipment for the production of all this was very important.

Food was supplied in quantities of 2 119 thousand tons. By the way, what was the food benefit? Yes, the fact that it was ... the easiest to write off! The fact is that everything that was lost during the war as a result of hostilities was not subject to payment under the contract. But ... it was necessary to document how “it” was lost. And with food was very simple - “eaten” and that was it!

Supplies from the UK

Then came the second part, which gave details of shipments from the UK. And it was stated that deliveries of Great Britain to the USSR began from 22 June 1941. And starting from this date and until 30 April 1944, Great Britain sent 1 150 thousand tons of weapons to the USSR, as well as strategic raw materials, industrial equipment and food. It is emphasized that this number of 319 thous. Tons of weapons went in the order of military assistance, that is, it was not subject to payment; 815 thous. Tons of raw materials, industrial equipment and food in the amount of 83,7 million f. cr. was sent on the basis of the "Agreement between the USSR and the UK on mutual deliveries, credit and payment procedure from 16 August 1941 g." (part on credit, part in cash); and a small consignment of cargo (2 thousand tons on 0.5 million f. p.) was acquired at the very beginning of the war for cash. Of this total, the USSR received 1 044 thousand tons, including 1941 y. - 158 thousand tons. In 1942 year - 375 thousand tons. 1943 year - 364 thousand tons. And for 4 months 1944 - 144 thousand tons. On the 1 of May 1944, on the way to the USSR there were 44 thousand tons of cargo. So people are not right who say that the main volume of supplies came at the end of the war, but “at first there was nothing”. It was! Although, of course, volumes increased over time.

The specific delivery figures given in the “Message ...” are as follows: 3 384 of the aircraft and, moreover, another 2 of the 442 of the aircraft was delivered from the United States against the obligations of the United Kingdom; 4 292 tank; 12 minesweepers; 5 239 vehicles and armored personnel carriers; 562 anti-aircraft guns; 548 anti-tank guns; 17 million shells, 290 ammo million units, 17,3 powder tonnes; 214 artillery control radio; 116 submarine detection instruments.

The following strategic raw materials were supplied: rubber - 103,5 thousand tons, aluminum - 35,4 thousand tons, copper - 33,4 thousand tons, tin - 29,4 thousand tons, lead - 47,7 thousand tons, zinc - 7,4 ths tons, nickel - 2,7 ths tons, cobalt - 245 tons; jute, sisal and products made from them - 93 thousand tons. (Here I would like clarifications, which, however, are not - products made from jute and sisal is what? Ropes, twine, bags ... It would be interesting to find out, because 93 thousand. tons - this is a huge number, however, what is behind it?)

For the Soviet industry from England was delivered: machine tools - 6491, various industrial equipment in the amount of 14,4 million f. pages, including: power equipment with a total capacity of 374 thousand kW., 15 084 electric motors, 104 press and hammer, 24 portal cranes, industrial diamonds on 1 206 thousand f. p. Foodstuffs delivered in quantities of 138, 2 thousand tons. It should be emphasized that the USSR did not produce technical diamonds at all and had no own deposits either, they had not yet been discovered!

Deliveries from Canada

The third section "Messages ..." Deliveries to the USSR from Canada. It was reported that from the beginning of the war until 1 in July 1943, deliveries of the USSR from Canada were made in the account of the obligations of Great Britain and under a loan agreement between the USSR and Canada from 8 of September 1942. From 1 July 1943, Canada began to supply the USSR independently, in accordance with the Canadian Mutual Assistance Act of Canada.

From the beginning of deliveries on 30 on April 1944, Canada sent 450 thousand tons to the Soviet Union, including weapons, strategic materials and foodstuffs (wheat and flour) in the amount of Canadian dollars 187,6 million. On account of the English obligations (up to 1 July 1943 of the year) 93 thousand tons of cargo were sent for the amount of Canadian dollars 116,6 million; under the Loan Agreement between the USSR and Canada - 182 thous. tons of wheat and flour worth 10 million Canadian dollars and in accordance with the United Nations Mutual Assistance Act - from July 1 1943 of April to 30 April 1944 of the Year - 175 thousand tons of cargo in the amount of 61 million Canadian dollars. Of the goods shipped by Canada to the USSR arrived: 355 thousand tons. In 1942 year - 125 thousand tons., In 1943 year - 124 thousand tons. For 4 of the month 1944 of the year - 106 thousand tons.

Total delivered: 1 188 tanks; 842 armored personnel carrier; 2 568 trucks; 827 thousand shells; 34,8 million ammo; 5 thousand tons of gunpowder; 36,3 thousand aluminum; 9,1 kt lead; 23,5 thousand tons of copper; 6,7 thousand tons of zinc; 1 324 tons of nickel; 13,3 thousand tons of rails, 208,6 thousand tons of wheat and flour. On 1 in May 1944, from the route from Canada to the Soviet Union is still 60 thousand tons of cargo.

Source - the press organ of the Communist Party of the USSR

Now let's think a bit: today there are other numbers on the Internet and printed sources that give an idea of ​​the volume of supplies as a whole, and not just for the May 1944 of the year. But ... in the USSR, this information was classified. But the newspaper "Pravda" no one has canceled. It was the official organ of the press of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b), and then the Central Committee of the CPSU. Suppose that before 1953 of the year, that is, until Stalin’s death, historians did not use this source for reasons of personal safety. But then the “thaw” came, “Ivan Denisovich’s One Day” was published ... But for some reason and then there were no references to this source, neither in the same Zhukov, nor in other memoirs. And historians also wrote about 4%, but for some reason they didn’t look at Pravda, which was freely available. Or they were recommended not to look into it. And if this is so, then this means only one thing: that there was a deliberate deception of the country's population, who was simply lied about important points in its history. It is clear that this information would be kept in secret departments of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense. Then, as they say, to no and no trial. Everything is secret. But in this case, everything was in plain sight, but ... it was impossible to use it. That is, the truth about the war in the USSR fell victim to the political ambitions of its leadership, which ultimately undermined the confidence of the people in the existing system in the country and in the leadership itself, which led to the 1991 events of the year. People don’t like being deceived by their bosses, and they never loved them ...

But Belarus and Ukraine helped out for free ...

By the way, here it is worth making another interesting addition. The fact is that back in August 1945, the UN adopted a program of assistance to such Soviet republics as Ukraine and Belarus. The amount of assistance in monetary terms amounted to 250 million dollars. Provided for the supply of food, clothing, footwear, medicines, seeds, industrial and agricultural equipment. First, the supplies were to be paid for, that is, in essence, it was a loan. However, after representatives of the BSSR declared that, in accordance with the USSR Constitution, the republic does not have foreign currency and that only the government of the USSR controls all the currency in the country, all payments under this program for these two republics were canceled, and all deliveries that ended by May 1947 years, implemented completely free of charge.

Interesting isn't it? We will now have to go and see again the “Truth” during this time: what did she write about this foreign aid? And did she write at all?

Comments

[andrewkor]

It would seem that the topic has already been erased to the point, but, come on, the Author was not too lazy and "dug" something new - about Ukraine and Belarus, for example. Thank you, I did not know!

[Pessimist22]

The volume of supplies is very large, especially for vehicles.

[Ilya-spb]

The numbers are impressive. Good job.

But the disadvantage of the article is that practically it’s not written anywhere, how, how and in what amounts the payment was made ...

And our people paid - BLOOD! And the lives of Soviet citizens.

After all, our people have saved the lives of Americans and British with their lives. We fought! The second front was opened in 1944.

[kig]

practically it’s not written anywhere, how, how and in what amounts the payment was made

Well, why? The article yes, it is not written, but it is not about that. And anyone can find out about the conditions of Lend-Lease deliveries in the same Wiki, and if you don't trust her, then in the library of the US Congress.

[figwam]

Quote: kig

anyone can find out in the same wiki

An article and rewritten from Wiki. And during the war, the USSR sent gold and platinum to England and the USA, but they won’t write to Wiki.

[Astra wild]

"rejection of the territorial conquests of 1939-40 and something else", excuse me, what did the Soviet Union reject? The Baltic states were part of the USSR until the very end, Vyborg remained part of the Russian Federation, can you see on the map what the Soviet Union gave up? I'm very interested

[Alf]

Quote: Astra wild

I'm very interested

Dear Astrochka! This is interesting for YOU, but not for Karbayn, he lives in his alternative world, and breaks out here when the orderlies do not fix him so firmly.

[Astra wild]

So is he wild?
As a child, I read somewhere that before the madmen were kept on a chain, and some doctor ventured to remove the chains. Perhaps he was in a hurry. Joke

[Alf]

Quote: Astra wild

So is he wild?

Here it has long been understood by his enchanting delirium. You haven’t looked into Armaments yet, you haven’t read his pearls.

[Oleg Zorin]

Pinel removed the chains. And it happened in the French hospital of Salpitriere.

[Astra wild]

Oleg, thank you. I honestly thought it was on Bedlam Island in England, somewhere in my childhood I read about it. I remember that the Russian "mess" is from the English Bedlam, but I'm not sure: I read it when I was in grade 4 or 5

[Outsider V.]

Not a mess came from bedlam, but bedlam from Bethlehem (Bethlehem, Bethlem), more precisely, from the name of the hospital in London.

[Astra wild]

Thank you'll know

[Alf]

Quote: qqqwe

From June 22.06 to September 24.09.41, 2, the USSR fought with the Axis countries not within the framework of the WWII, but as part of a separate Soviet-German war.

Hi Carbine Zeus! Again, the doctors turned away and you were released into the Network?

[Oleg Zorin]

I do not know how you read. It’s no secret to anyone that in addition to lending lease assistance, the Soviet government procured the necessary contracts from the Allies. And paid for it, including gold.

[Ruger-para]

Sent and what? -Sli, give me your car a flat and rent my wife, otherwise my trouble happened. Before it burned down, the wife died. Will you give it for nothing? I don’t have money, but then I will scrape together and send you that thread. Honest Pioneer-Scout (bestial)

[3danimal]

Well, of course, the soldiers of the Red Army, paid in blood, conducting hostilities with the Nazis. And without supplies, this blood would be much larger.
In the United States, they made a simple calculation: all (supposed) Lend-Lease deliveries cost less than one year of war by the Americans. Approaching victory in this way, they saved money and the lives of their citizens (along with ours).
Mutually beneficial situation.
The first deliveries were exactly like purchases (they were paid for), and from the fall-winter of 1941 - according to Lend-Lease. That is almost free. Payment (or return) was subject only to unused equipment, weapons and ammunition.
With payment, the leadership of the Union did not behave very nicely (IMHO), greatly stretching in time and reducing payments.

[creak]

Quote: Ilya-spb

The numbers are impressive. Good job.

But the disadvantage of the article is that practically it’s not written anywhere, how, how and in what amounts the payment was made ...

And our people paid - BLOOD! And the lives of Soviet citizens.

After all, our people have saved the lives of Americans and British with their lives. We fought! The second front was opened in 1944.

Resented by the falsification of history and its distortion, some authors nevertheless prefer to be guided not by facts, but by their own ideas about it.
For example, the US participation in the Second World War. I believe that exposing myths with one hand is not worth creating new ones with some .. Some publications give the impression that before the opening of the second front in 1944, the USA did not fight at all but profited from the mountain of others .. This, to put it mildly, is not so, since December 1941 the Americans fought a war with Japan at the Pacific Theater, and it is far from always successful. In addition, already in February 1942 they landed in Tunisia, where, together with the British, they finished off the Italo-German group. And finally, in the midst of the battle on the Kursk Bulge, the landing of American troops on the island of Sicily began, followed by the offensive inland .... And only then the landing in Normandy ..... Something like this ...
And yet, speaking of Lend-Lease deliveries, we should not forget that after the catastrophic losses of the initial period of the Second World War, we had every tank and plane counted - as they say, a spoon for dinner ....
My father, who had met the war as an ordinary, didn’t complain about English shoes, he wore sturdy shoes, there were seams with boots, and as you know, in our climate you can’t get a lot of barefoot and shoes are not the last thing in the war.
Therefore, being justly proud of their victories, one should not fall into extreme forms of jingoistic patriotism and go beyond the bounds of objectivity.

[vladcub]

Landing on the island of Sicily or: "Operation Husky." It was preceded by a brilliant operation of British intelligence: "minced meat", when a body in an English officer's uniform with secret documents was planted on the Spanish coast: supposedly the landing would be in Greece. Such successful intelligence operations are not very a lot of

[Foxmara]

But that’s not even the point. The author here seems to be trying to make good pragmatists from ideal pragmatists - idealists, and fools from readers of VO. It was this kind of propaganda that led to the fall of the USSR, and not withholding figures for aid from abroad. Healthy again, we get the same alphabet for 4 soldiers.
The truth is that Lend-Lease deliveries were extremely beneficial for the sender.
For remember. NEVER. A capitalist will never invest in an event without profit if it is not complete (censored). Marx was 300% right in this regard.
This allowed to get a lot of nishtyakov. First of all - instead of the Americans and the British, the USSR carried the main burden of military operations with Germany. Neither could neither repeat Stalingrad. The people are not the same. Secondly, the US industry has literally risen from the ruins of the crisis, unemployment has become zero. And it is thanks to these measures that the real winner, that is, the beneficiary of the second world steel of the United States. Everything else is rubbish of numbers, designed to devalue our victory and magnify it clear who. I won’t even paint everything - it’s all well-known and languages ​​and fingers have already been erased to write about what both sides received. It was beneficial to both parties. For this reason, Land Liz existed. Two things can be said about the quality of American soldiers who bore the brunt of the war with Japan. Our army in the 45th withdrew the Japanese army, undefeated for several years by the Americans, in two weeks. Two weeks, Karl!
And if you're interested, add the details of their "heroic" landing in Europe. So thanks for the financial assistance and the second front (opened two years after it was needed), but let's assess it realistically. The main contribution to the military victory over fascism was made by the USSR and the Russian people.
In such articles, you must write in capital letters in the title: Propaganda.

[kig]

Lend-Lease deliveries were extremely beneficial for the sender.
So no one argues. We developed our already developed industry even more. They left the war in a much better condition than they entered it. And yet - without boots and stew you won’t be able to make much, without tanks and planes all the more, without steel and aluminum you cannot build these same planes and tanks, without rails and locomotives you won’t get where you need it. There was a lot or a little of all this, but everything came in handy.

clear whom - unclear. Whom, actually?

[Foxmara]

hospadi .. yes hegemon of course. Who started a lease lease, did you read an article? What is it about? They believe that they not only won the Second World War, but also won, but it’s important to remember who brought what into the common boiler.

[kig]

won the second world - is not it so? We were left with a strong army, but destroyed by industry and agriculture, and a devastated territory. But the only country left over the ocean which, as a result of the war, has not lost anything, but, on the contrary, has gained a lot. So alas, we won, but they won. And Stalin understood this very well.

[Beringovsky]

kig
So alas, we won, but they won.

No not like this. The USSR also won. Objectively. Almost half of Europe has become socialist. The colonial order was destroyed, the British Empire ceased to exist, then there was Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Angola and much more. All these are also the consequences of the 2nd World War. It is unlikely that this would have been possible in a peaceful environment and the USSR would not have come out of isolation.
But the elderly leadership of the USSR since the late 70s profuched everything.

[pyc.arpeccop tornado 150]

Why is there not a word about the Chinese experience?



The idea of ​​a world social. the revolution, which was not implemented in 17, nevertheless transformed and was implemented, although not on the scale as expected. In fact, the Chinese combined our experience with Eastern wisdom and the elders, over whom the "hump" climbed, were no longer allowed to approach the steering wheel.
But, of course, now this is a completely different story.

[haron]

Quote: kig

But the only country left over the ocean which, as a result of the war, has not lost anything, but, on the contrary, has gained a lot.

Sorry my European hearing loss, but please explain:
- Was Lend-Lease imposed on the Union? We had to take everything that they wanted to "sell" to us, tlt Uncle Joe, for the sake of a wagon of gold?
Or maybe Joe and I could refuse these supplies, send Uncle Sam and Co. away, and calmly get to Berlin. Let a little later, let another minus a couple lyamov souls, but themselves - honestly.
- What should have happened, what would you have believed that the United States did lose something in this war. That everything they had acquired was not "stolen" but earned. And what do you think is "lost"?
- We lost about 10 million lives in the warfare (+ - 10 million). But they got half of Europe, Gagarin .... and the fact that even penguins learned about the power of the USSR (I am silent about Cuba ......

[kig]

Am I a parallel world specialist? It was as it was.

[Foxmara]

Thanks CEP, I actually about what

[atalef]

Quote: Foxmara

hospadi .. yes hegemon of course. Who started a lease lease, did you read an article? What is it about? They believe that they not only won the Second World War, but also won, but it’s important to remember who brought what into the common boiler.

What do you mean started?
Type Americans vparivali forcibly?
For some reason, the author did not give the main thing - how much the deliveries for Lend Liz were and how much was paid.
I want to remind you that all equipment and weapons lost during military operations are not payable i.e. the USSR didn’t cost a dime.

[Foxmara]

Quote: atalef

did the Americans force violently?

you fools from the Americans decided to do something?

Quote: atalef

those. the USSR didn’t cost a dime.

well, well. still fools who do not know how to count profits. If not for you, then at least explain to yourself how it happened that in World War II most stupid Americans were gathered by stupid Americans, who distributed materials and equipment to the Allies for this. We know that.

[goose]

Quote: atalef

I want to remind you that all equipment and weapons lost during military operations are not payable i.e. the USSR didn’t cost a dime.

It is not true, the USSR paid 25% for the equipment supplied under Lend-Lease, both with strategic materials and with gold, diamonds and platinum (the USA especially needed it to increase the production of high-octane gasoline with an octane rating of> 110)

[Prosha]

But here it is important to indicate who, and in what way, honored and prepared Hitler for war in the East, although the USSR later helped, but at first the money went the other way.

[Amurets]

Quote: Foxmara

First of all - instead of the Americans and the British, the USSR carried the main burden of military operations with Germany. Neither could neither repeat Stalingrad.

We know little about the war in the Pacific Ocean, but here are probably similar operations, and at about the same time: Defense of Crimea and Sevastopol 1941-1942, more precisely October 30, 1941 - July 4, 1942 and the Malay operation at the same time: As a result of the Malay operation, lasted just over a month and a half, British troops suffered a crushing position and completely left the territory of the Malacca Peninsula. 5,5 thousand British and Australian soldiers were killed, another 5 thousand people were wounded, 40 thousand were captured. The losses of the Japanese side were much less large-scale - 1,8 thousand killed and 3,4 thousand wounded soldiers and officers. The vast and wealthy British Malaya came under Japanese control. But the main strategic victory of Japan in this region was ahead - the Japanese command could not feel calm until Singapore, the most important naval base of the British Commonwealth forces, was captured. And the defense of Singapore, a first-class naval base, lasted just over a week. It was possible to free Singapore from the Japanese only after the final defeat of Japan in World War II. "And our troops liberated Crimea and Sevastopol a year before the end of the war on May 9, 1944. More precisely, this is the date of the capture of Sevastopol, the last stronghold of the Germans in Crimea.
https://topwar.ru/105188-malayskaya-operaciya-sokrushitelnoe-porazh enie-britanii-v-yugo-vostochnoy-azii.html

[Astra wild]

Amurets, thanks for your balanced comment

[Looking for]

I would add more-terry anti-Russian and anti-Russian propaganda. After a couple of years. having prepared the society with such scribbles. Shpakovskys and Co will write to you, "The USA is the organizer and the main organizer of the victory over Nazi Germany. The country has suffered the greatest losses and so on." you.rossiyane.will be clapping enthusiastically.RENEGATY you are not russkie.Kstati.you read AT LEAST ONE article.this SHPAKOVSKOGO.on the heroic labor feat of the Soviet people? About the cold and hungry shifts in the name of Victory? You didn’t read it well, because there are no them. But with an incessant stream, this hidden Russophile. rivets articles about the achievements. feats and heroism of Western designers. about their unsurpassed intelligence and sagacity. about the advantages and merits of Western army. about Soviet and Russian, nothing !!!

[Astra wild]

Walking, I have long been irritated by the anti-Sovietism of V.O., but in this case, not you, I can not object ANYTHING. These are materials from the Pravda newspaper. If someone there advises you to go to the Library of Congress, then let him go there himself, and we can check VO, after all, Pravda gravy should be in EVERY regional library! Let's check.

[kig]

This I advised. In the sense that many say - you need to trust the primary sources, so it is logical to look for American laws there. Well, about the newspaper Pravda in 1941 in the regional library ... I'm afraid you got excited.

[naidas]

Quote: Astra wild

These are materials from the newspaper "Pravda"

About the USA (the newspaper does not say about the gratuitous transfer of property):
"The United States of America, on the basis of the lease and lease of weapons (by Lend-Lease), ...
... Of the shipped amount, 7,4 million tons arrived in the Soviet Union, amounting to 4.612 million dollars ... "
About England: 319 thousand tons without payment as military assistance (33 million pounds).
The rest is like on credit.
About Canada: according to the United Nations Mutual Assistance section, 175 thousand tons worth 61 million Canadian dollars.
What kind of law is not clear, there was a loan from England for the supply of goods to the USSR.
https://www.liveinternet.ru/users/arhivist/post429053059/
Against this background, a good deal is to fight with the wrong hands and raise your industry as a bonus. This can be seen from the war with Japan. The United States, with the intervention of the USSR in a showdown with Japan, saved much more help in the USSR.

[Catfish]

Or maybe you should not juggle? Where in this article is anti-Russian and so on propaganda? Do you think that everyone reading this article is illiterate, and is not capable of distinguishing black from white? You already got everyone with your schizophrenic delirium, finally get comfortable. None of reasonable people take you seriously because of the impossibility of this action.

This article is about LEND-LYS, and nothing more. Got it?

[naidas]

Quote: Sea Cat

Do you think that everyone reading this article is illiterate, and is not capable of distinguishing black from white?

Lend-Lease figures. The topic of Lend-Lease deliveries on the VO pages seems to have received quite a worthy reflection, but no, no, but among the comments there are references to “paying with gold”, Mongolian meat (more significant than American stew) and all sorts of other mythological statements , indicating only one thing - the lack of information.

Then can you tell me where the horses are from?
1. In November-December 1941, during the offensive near Moscow, almost a quarter of Soviet divisions were cavalry.
In the Berlin operation involved 12 horse divisions, almost 100 thousand cavalry.
It would be much more difficult to deliver live cargo (horses) to the belligerent USSR by sea than the rest of the Lend-Lease.
https://topwar.ru/74935-velikaya-otechestvennaya-poslednyaya-voyna-kavalerii.html
2. The food assistance of the Red Army, provided by the small population and economically weak Mongolia, was almost equal to the supply of food from the United States. If the American side delivered 665 thousand tons of canned food to the Soviet Union, then Mongolia provided 500 thousand tons of meat for the needs of the front. https://topwar.ru/74604-pomosch-stepey-mongoly-vernye-soyuzniki-velikoy-otechestvennoy.html
3. The American stew on the fronts was exotic, and therefore it was remembered. Native "Biysk", from Mongolian meat, everyday life.

[Catfish]

Then tell me, and you, where did the horses go after the appearance of the lendleut "Studebakers", and how after the war they "sorted out" the Ministry of Horse Breeding of Semy Budyonny? It will be interesting to listen to. Yes, and how many horses were there in SA by XNUMX?

[naidas]

Quote: Sea Cat

When do you also answer, where did the horses go after the appearance of the lend-lease "Studebakers",

You are kidding or not reading.

Quote: naidas

In the Berlin operation involved 12 horse divisions, almost 100 thousand cavalry.

I suppose that the Lendleut Studebakers appeared almost simultaneously with the horses.

Quote: naidas

Then can you tell me where the horses are from?

Or again, where have the horses gone after the Berlin operation and the appearance of the Lendleut Studebakers?

Quote: Sea Cat

Yes, and how many horses were in the SA by the fiftieth year?

Personally, the war with Germany ended in May 1945, and not by the fiftieth year. And I will repeat it for the second time: https://topwar.ru/74935-velikaya-otechestvennaya-poslednyaya-voyna-kavalerii.html

[Catfish]

You are kidding or not reading.

Of course I'm kidding. For seriously discussing the topic of "horses and Studebakers" is simply not serious.

[Outsider V.]

Quote: Sea Cat

... "dealt" with the Ministry of Horse Breeding of Syoma Budyonny? ...

And who, it is interesting to know, gave you the right to speak in such an Amikoshone manner about S.M. Budenny? Excuse me, did you graze pigs / horses with him?

[Catfish]

My father, being the director of the Stavropol Stud Breeding Trust, worked with Syoma Budyon, according to my father's stories about the methods of work of this hero of the Civil War, and I judge about him. And at the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, Sema again glorified himself as a "genius commander". So he gave me the right to speak about him in this way.

[the lord]

He could only give you gauntlets all over his back. Become a brilliant commander, come for an amnesty.

[Catfish]

Poke to your grandmother, a brilliant writer, and with regard to amnesty - learn the primer, and go to the head teacher. He will give you gauntlets and weighed ... cavalryman.

[the lord]

Are you better than grandmothers, soft-tempered soft?))))) Have you already become a brilliant commander?))))))

[Catfish]

I am exactly that and better than your grandmother, because of which she could not become a grandfather. And with your manic passion for "genius commanders", turn to a district psychiatrist, perhaps he will help you. I'm not an expert on sick people. Wish you luck.

[the lord]

But is it better - after all, a bragging grandfather is a zashkvao in relation to any grandmother. So you lost here on all fronts. green))))). For patients on the head is not an expert, but you try to make diagnoses, you don’t keep the word, it’s squeamish soft)))). He even found a new manic passion for genius commanders. But at the same time it turned out to be very bile, since you still don’t have a relationship with them, is it true, soft-nosed soft?))))

[Catfish]

I already suggested that you go to the head of the educational department of your high school and at least somehow tidy up your Russian written language. Although, if you are from the so-called nationalities, then there is no demand. Your level is awesome even for school age. And, I'm sorry that you always remember something soft, do you have problems with erection?

[the lord]

I’m afraid that head died, but she and the teachers honor and respect, my Russian is impeccable)))) And the squeamish soft is about you and your decrepitude, which you tried to deduce here by your dad supposedly working with Budyonny. But that is ... the main thing is that you have not forgotten about what an erection is. Do you often remember? With sadness or feeling liberated?)))))

[Catfish]

The fact that the head died is not surprising. She had enough communication with you and life put an end to it. Go out less often - people will be healthier and it will become easier to breathe. And yet, when you tap your finger on the clave, think about what you tap. I understand - for you this is a difficult process, but you try ... At least in memory of the head.

[the lord]

So you yourself have revealed, youngster. Of course, the head teacher died for a completely ordinary reason - people are not eternal. And the fact that you were trying to expose yourself as an experienced and salted wolf is so much work and all in vain. Confess, the youngster is simply insulting that there wasn’t any of your dad who worked with Budyonny)))) Better stomp and try to become a brilliant commander, so that there is someone to talk to, or else - zashkvar-zashkvar))))

[Catfish]

People instantly cease to be eternal after meeting with similar creatures of the neuter kind like you, the densest dormant. Do not go back to school, do me a favor, otherwise you will not have enough of the head teachers for the whole country. And I am very grateful to you for your communication, it is nevertheless pleasant to recognize oneself as a Man, standing an order of magnitude higher than you as an outspoken untermensch, and even under the symbolic chase - "sign"

[Alexey Z]

Good evening! Are you both stupidly stuffing comments?

[Catfish]

Hello, and we’ve been waiting ... Do you care? But I put a plus sign for you, it’s not for nothing that they got into it.

[tlauicol]

Quote: naidas

In November-December 1941, during the offensive near Moscow, almost a quarter of Soviet divisions were cavalry.
.

the Mongols supplied horses from the middle of 42 years (they usually write about the Yankees in this place: they were waiting for the end of the Battle of Moscow). For the money (they write about the Yankees: they got rich on the Land Lisa).

[the lord]

And what seemed bad to you here. Mongols kakbe on the border, I was a militaristic Japan. It would be foolish for them to send their horses before (we’ll write about the Yankees that they sent a lot of shit with this Lend-Lease)

[tlauicol]

Quote: znavel

And what seemed bad to you here. Mongols kakbe on the border, I was a militaristic Japan. It would be foolish for them to send their horses before (we’ll write about the Yankees that they sent a lot of shit with this Lend-Lease)

in the sense of stupid? they are allies who are "the first on June 22, etc., etc." (a bunch of pretentious words about Mongolia) or "let's wait for your mom"?
and where were the US cargoes that still needed to be manufactured - on a neighboring street or across the ocean?

[Alien From]

For some reason, everyone forgets that our "sworn friends" actually untied the hands of the Nazi utyrkas!

[atalef]

You write complete nonsense.
I'm not talking about the fact that good must be remembered and America was not at all obliged to do this.
From the word at all.
But before you write, you’ll figure it out for a start - how is Russophile different from Russophobe

them. but in a steady stream, this hidden Russophile. rivets articles about the achievements. exploits and heroism of Western designers

[Beringovsky]

atalef
I'm not talking about the fact that good must be remembered and America was not at all obliged to do this.

If Hitler defeated the USSR, then Germany would have received enormous resources at the disposal of numerous new allies - Turkey, Iran and many others. Supporters of Nazism were enough. Then America would have to be really tight. They would have had to almost single-handedly fight world Nazism, no less, and the Amers had practically no chance to win such a war.
America didn’t help us, it helped itself to survive. She really didn't have to do it.

[atalef]

Quote: Beringovsky

Then America would have to be really tight.

America at that time had someone to butt, with Japan, for example.
Anyway, why did you decide that Hitler would certainly climb butted America?

Quote: Beringovsky

They would have to fight world Nazism almost alone,

I do not know.
Won Argentina calmly supplied Nazi Germany throughout the war and does not cough.

Quote: Beringovsky

and the amers had practically no chance of winning such a war.

What did you decide?
Maybe they would agree.

Quote: Beringovsky

America didn’t help us, it helped itself to survive

come on. Do not pretend, like they would not have let themselves die.

Quote: Beringovsky

She really didn't have to do it.

that's right, not obliged, but done.
It must be appreciated.

[Beringovsky]

America at that time had someone to butt, with Japan, for example.

Well, there would still be more butting)))

why did you decide that Hitler would certainly climb butted America?

From what about

[Beringovsky]

Anyway, why did you decide that Hitler would certainly climb butted America?

Without any would. Or recall when the war between the United States and Germany began? She was inevitable and Roosevelt understood this well. Unlike you. Well, you're not Roosevelt.)))

Maybe they would agree.

With whom? With democracy, which the Nazis hated no less than Bolshevism, considering them the same Jewish plague? With Jewish bankers on Wall Street?))) Ahah!
You should re-read some of the ideologists of Nazism. Or do you believe in the peaceful coexistence of liberal bourgeois democracy and fascism ?! But ...
Some of these clever people believed in the possibility of negotiating with Hitler. At 38m, in Munich))) How did this "faith" end for them, recall?

that's right, not obliged, but done.
It must be appreciated.

Appreciate what ?! What has America helped itself?
Well, you must, so appreciate yourself in Israel what you want. Why do we need it?

[tlauicol]

Hitler La Manche could not cross - what kind of America is he

[Beringovsky]

Quote: Tlauicol

Hitler La Manche could not cross - what kind of America is he

Yeah, you won’t cross the English Channel on foot
But you can easily cross the ice of the Bering Strait.
And the Amer fleet could not prevent this in any way - the ice would not let us approach. And aviation will not help - there is a polar night in winter.

[the lord]

Hitler was then presented with the impossibility of crossing the English Channel (and this is probably a very interesting story from the life of British intelligence). And so to him this America was quite achievable

[kig]

America was not obliged to do this at all.

Of course not obliged, but nevertheless decided to help financially. With all due respect to this decision, I would like to remind you that the "Lend-Lease Law" is an unofficial name, but it looks like this completely: "An Act to Promote the Defense of the United States". That is, they overseas realized there that in Europe now begins something from which, in the end, it will fall to them.

[the lord]

And we are not obliged to remember what they are trying to show as good. We did not start the Cold War immediately after WWII. We were not behind aggression and attempts to squeeze out a recent ally from everywhere. Simple amers that helped bring help to us, thank you. and for those who did everything so that the war lasts as long as possible and then hobnobed with fascist geeks, actually saving them from punishment, this is real Jewish nonsense.

[vladcub]

Foxmara, but what about Stalin's toast: "For American engines, without which we would not have won the war."
Most likely, Stalin exaggerated. We would have won it no doubt, but at what cost? And Stalin was not such a stupid monster as some draw him, so as not to take into account the extra sacrifices.
Stalin was fine with his head. He knew that allies were standing, but valued their help

[the lord]

And you don’t know about diplomatic politeness? There are many about brave French warriors toasting for sure)))))

[Ruger-para]

Made out in 2 weeks, are you generally adequate? The Red Army took out when the Japanese were cut off from everything that could be, the Quantum army was far from the same as in the Pacific Ocean. Second grade. Do not forget about the bombing of Germany by strategists to its entire depth and not by the Petlyakovs with their 600 kg load and 20 cars and 1000 aircraft day and night. Speaking of profit, don’t give me your house, I’ll give my car and wife, I’m burned here, I’m in trouble, I don’t live anywhere. Give me no money. I am sending the card number and documents for the property. Thank you for the barefoot fitting.

[naidas]

Quote: Ruger-para

Speaking of profit, don’t give me your car

Here you can handle it, or we will help, we will only give you a loan and at a percentage. The bandit who was set against you, for some reason turned against the West, I had to help you a little, otherwise you will take up the West, and then you yourself can cope, yes you can still chop off the proceeds from the bandit, you have to be in share. Yes, and do not forget to add help to the war with Japan to the payment list, otherwise the war at sea is too expensive, and your help is free. (Well, like in a fairy tale, beaten for an unbeaten battle).

[the lord]

Yes, don’t you remind me of the battle of Arden and the entry in Patton’s diary on January 5, 1945 about this?))))) And the bombing was carried out exclusively on industrial zones that were supposed to fall under the Soviet occupation zone. Ashes of Dresden - a more cynical crime only Hiroshima and Nagasaki

[3danimal]

In the commentary above, I already explained the reason for the altruism of the pragmatic capitalists. Sometimes it happens that both directions coincide.
The union, by the way, was also not furry on the world stage, conducting a completely imperial policy.

[Nikolai Miracles]

Kwantung Army 1 million 320 thousand people for 1945 https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwantung Army
The Imperial Army of Japan 1945 - 6.100.000 people (in the composition), 1.200.000 (reserve)
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Императорская_армия_Японии#Численность
Thus, the Red Army defeated only a fifth of the imperial army, with the rest of the Japanese forces did not even meet

[the lord]

Americans, too, with most of the Japanese army did not meet on the battlefield, so what? And how many Japanese Americans pounded? And for how long?

[Nikolai Miracles]

As you can see, nobody has a monopoly. The Japanese were "nailed" by the Chinese who had fought since the 30s. Could they have won without US help? No, no way.
It's time to start counting sunken ships and downed planes, and not just corpses.

[Beringovsky]

You somehow have a poor idea of ​​what happened during the war.

Well, of course, where do we go. We, unlike you, personally did not take Berlin.
(Than the stories here to poison, wife, if she is, tell me how to cook borsch)

This is a Soviet myth.
If in Europe, then in 1943 (successfully). And in 1939-40 it was unsuccessful.

This is not the front. This is the front. The front man.
And we asked for it Second front. In scale. To draw the significant forces of the Germans. And he was needed in 41m. Well, the edge is 42-43m.

Jugashville was interested

Is it possible that Quasa came to us with Inosmi? It hurts like the style

[Nikolai Miracles]

After the defeat at Dunkirk (1940), demanding that England open a second front in 1941 would be the same as if the United States had demanded that the USSR defeat the Kwantung Army in 1942.

[the lord]

If the Kwantung army were on the same side as the Wehrmacht, they would

[Alexey Z]

In 1942, short comments do not go away.

[vladcub]

"The Britons have been at war with the OSI countries since September 1939" - that's all true, but remember how they called this war - "strange"?
Chamberlain is largely to blame: in 1938, the Reich had a cat cried for ammunition, and they were opposed by England, France and Czechoslovakia. How did Chamberlain behave then? The famous tank forces of the Reich in 1938 were still a "cardboard animal" ("The meeting place cannot be changed")

[Alien From]

You are right, many people think that Hitler sucked money and industry out of his bolt !!!!!! ...... and he wisely imposed mattresses on him!

[Proxima]

Quote: Ilya-spb

And our people paid - BLOOD! And the lives of Soviet citizens.

And not only blood. The Soviet Union, and after that Russia paid off debts on lend-lease. Boris was especially trying, who was trying to please his new "friends" with the Americans (may he be in paradise). As far as I know, to this day Russia remains to pay 578 million dollars. Here is such a “help” that you can’t ignore in principle, but you should not forget that the lion's share of supplies fell on the 44 and 45 years, when the fate of Germany was already decided, and as they say, a good spoon for dinner.

[atalef]

Quote: Proxima

Quote: Ilya-spb

And our people paid - BLOOD! And the lives of Soviet citizens.

And not only blood. The Soviet Union, and after that Russia paid off debts on lend-lease. Boris was especially trying, who was trying to please his new "friends" with the Americans (may he be in paradise). As far as I know, to this day Russia remains to pay 578 million dollars. Here is such a “help” that you can’t ignore in principle, but you should not forget that the lion's share of supplies fell on the 44 and 45 years, when the fate of Germany was already decided, and as they say, a good spoon for dinner.

Can you somehow confirm your words?

[the lord]

In the article it is written - re-read

[Alexey Z]

So everything has been paid for a long time

[Nikolai Miracles]

There was a spoon for dinner. In 1941, the USSR lost its powder factories, most of them were in the west of the country. By December 1941, the strategic supply of gunpowder was almost over. In the winter of 1941 --- 1942, the Red Army fought with English, Canadian and American gunpowder.
Half of TNT was imported, and equally produced in the USSR from imported components, --- this is 1942 --- 1944.

[goose]

Quote: Nikolay Chudov

Winter 1941 --- 1942 RKKA

How could a significant amount of gunpowder be delivered to the USSR in the winter of 1941?
There were only 4 vehicles with gunpowders, among the first convoys that arrived during the winter of 1941-1942, of which 1 was sunk and 2 returned. 1 reached Murmansk.
Before 1943, the proportion of imported gunpowder used by the USSR did not exceed 25%.
Yes, this affected the fact that the Red Army artillery fired 4-5 times less than the Germans, and kept only due to tanks.

[Nikolai Miracles]

I should have watched the video. "Molotov cocktail" was transported from England through America and Vladivostok (previous video "They fight not only with weapons"). English gunpowder of that winter was not included in the Lend-Lease, England was on the verge of bankruptcy, 40% in currency or gold at once, the rest of the loan for 5 years. The share of imported gunpowder, as well as all supplies, is the "average temperature in the hospital". We are talking about a critical moment of the winter of 1941-1942, the spool is small and expensive, it was possible to lose the war at that moment, and then these stupid disputes would not exist at all. And further. 49% of all cargo passed through Vladivostok.

[goose]

Quote: Nikolay Chudov

And further. 49% of all cargo passed through Vladivostok.

After December 1941, for obvious reasons, imports in Vladivostok sank sharply until the safety of routes was ensured.

[Nikolai Miracles]

They just walked along Alaska and Kamchatka, partially unloaded in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky and Magadan to reduce precipitation, to go through the strait between the mainland and Sakhalin, there is shallow. That’s all security. And so the whole war. And the trains on TransSib went within sight, the driver saw the train in front and the train behind. The very first video says that the British sailors refused to carry explosives through Murmansk and Arkhangelsk, one German bomb, a shell or a torpedo, and all instant death.

[Ruger-para]

Everything must be denounced forever. Here they talk about the deliveries and he writes about BLOOD. The USA and England also shed blood. If you don't want to. Don't take it. But they didn't yell about "blood" either. When you "got it right" you will be transferred to the world
Your Blood - your problems. We paid in currency and gold. We did not deliver blood there

[Seal]

We fought. Because we were attacked. We already had nowhere to go. Or fight and win, or give up and die.
The USA and other countries as of 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX to us in general were not required to deliver anything. And they could not supply. And our blood would have shed a lot more.

After all, our people have saved the lives of Americans and British with their lives.

These would simply agree with Hitler.

[vik669]

We fought! Yes, you knock on the "clave" and those who fought are no longer there, and 3,14 do not turn around and do not fight, otherwise "we" fought!

[Amurets]

It should be emphasized that the USSR did not produce technical diamonds at that time and did not have its own deposits either, they were not discovered yet!

I read both at Vannikov and Shakhurin that they personally handed out diamond pencils to plant directors. Without them, it was impossible to carry out accurate dressing of grinding wheels. And some deliveries are not mentioned at all: battery for submarines. Sonars and radars for various purposes.

[3x3zsave]

Perhaps the supply of location equipment secret?

[Sergey Valov]

Everything has been known for a long time under Lend-Lease, another question is that one really cuts one's eyes, others fulfill an order, and still others, which the majority, simply do not know. And secondly, it’s pointless to look simply at the volumes of supplies, it is necessary to compare with the actual production of these products of the USSR at that time and their characteristics their technical characteristics.

[Amurets]

Quote: 3x3zsave

Perhaps the supply of location equipment secret?

Perhaps so. According to the recollections of General Kabanov in 1943, they heard about radars and dreamed of getting them for the blockade of Petsamo-Vuono Bay. And in the spring of 1945, he observed the shooting of 12 "Voroshilov batteries according to the radar data.

[vladcub]

At Pikul's I read and heard from old people about American sonars "strings of the devil" as they said in the Kriegsmarine

[Amurets]

Quote: vladcub

At Pikul's I read and heard from old people about American sonars "strings of the devil" as they said in the Kriegsmarine

Vladislav, I didn't come across anything about "The Devil's Strings". You can read about Soviet developments in hydroacoustic technology at the link http://www.booksshare.net/index.php?id1=4&category=history&author=morozov-me&book=2006&page=65 The same link can be found on the lend-lease supplies of this equipment : “The opportunity to get acquainted with the British models of sonar technology presented in the summer of 1941 was used in full. The British Azdik-129 sonar specially developed for submarines had characteristics that significantly outstripped our most successful developments: the detection range in active mode was 4-12 kbt, noise control - 30-40 kbt, sound-underwater communication - 40-50 kbt, determination error: distance - I% of the distance, heading angle in active mode - 5 degrees, noise direction finding - 2 degrees. - ninety-six sets of Azdik-129, received seventy.In our fleet they received the designation "Dragon-129". After certain modifications related to the adaptation of the ship separate electrical networks (on medium boats it was required to install an umformer, since the voltage of their internal network was 110 V, and the device required 220 V), the installation of the ordered devices on the boats began. "
http://www.booksshare.net/index.php?id1=4&category=history&author=morozov-me&book=2006&page=66

[pyc.arpeccop tornado 150]

Until now, the role of 20 million Cola tablets in the struggle of courageous security officers against the brown plague remains unreported.

[Polente the Wanderer]

Before the war began, and during the war, American companies actively invested in German industry. Without the help of the companies (true owners) of the USA, fascist Germany could never build up its military power (https://topwar.ru/35451 -lend-liz-dlya-gitlera.html).
AND WAR WOULD NOT BE ...
And deliveries to our country were essentially paid for by the blood of our country.
The policy is very simple - SHARE AND POWER ...

[Blackmokona]

The USA also extremely actively helped develop Soviet industry before the war, during the war and after the war. This is a business looking for any opportunity to earn.
And they weren’t paid in blood, if the USSR attacked Germany in exchange for Lend-Lease, then it would be a mercenary contract with blood. And so Germany attacked the USSR and absolutely free aid.
Note that we ourselves did not help Britain at all while it alone fought with Hitler
And German industry was actively producing weapons from Soviet resources with which the USSR was abundantly supplied to the USSR.

[Foxmara]

Quote: BlackMokona

Note that we ourselves did not help Britain at all while it alone fought with Hitler

Oh yeah! While England was beating.
On the one hand, there were forces of 48 divisions of the united armies of Britain and France, and on the other 42 forces of the Third Reich. Being behind the well-fortified defensive lines of Siegfried and Maginot, the warring parties only occasionally watered the enemy’s side with fire. This period can be considered a weakness or a miscalculation of the forces of Britain and France. They had more soldiers at their disposal than the German army, but they did absolutely nothing.
You still remember the French. Those were enough for exactly 5 days of the offensive. Subject to the absolute non-resistance of the Germans.
Even a plane with German headquarters and maps that accidentally fell into the hands of the "allies" did not lead to any reaction.
Is it because de facto it was England that gave carte blanche to Hitler to conquer Europe and sent it to the USSR? What are the British doing? In 1940, the British were the first to launch an air strike against Freiburg and civilians. Ingenious!
Hitler is bombing London. Not at full strength.
Weak attempt to thwart offensive in Norway. Frank failures in naval warfare. And the frenzied battle for the colonies in Africa. Well this is your own, not allies in eastern Europe.
If. If the Fuhrer did not decide to fight the USSR instead of England, then England would not have survived. But a miracle happened. And the British relaxed a bit.
And with what fright the USSR was supposed to help Britain in the war with Germany, I don’t understand at all. Prior to this, the USSR tried to build a European security system against Hitler. But the same Britain and France blocked all attempts. I would suggest that the Führer was counting on the fulfillment of certain agreements. Before it's too late. Britain itself dug a hole and pull the thankless task out of it by the British. Moreover, it’s never a friendly regime. Which developed plans for an attack on the USSR before the end of World War II. On the allies, Karl! Worse than hostility with the Anglo-Saxons can only be friendship with them.

[Blackmokona]

They themselves indicated that Britain and France had 48 divisions, and the enemy had 42 divisions in excellently fortified positions. And as Soviet textbooks teach us, you need three-fold superiority for the offensive. Where do you see him here? But British troops reached the border with Germany when Poland was already completely destroyed, and thus a bunch of divisions along excellent German railway roads went to the aid of these 42 divisions. Any offensive is normal and France would have fallen half a year earlier and all events would have greatly accelerated. What would be extremely sad for the USSR

[goose]

Quote: BlackMokona

the enemy has 42 divisions in excellently fortified positions.

Read about the readiness level of German fortifications. Normal field defense by 80%.

[Amurets]

Oh yeah! While England was fighting. [/ Quote] An illustrative example, though already at the end of WWII, is the German offensive in the Ardennes: "70 years ago, in December 1944, Nazi Germany made the last radical attempt to turn the tide of the war. The offensive in the Ardennes. I must say, the Western After the landing in Normandy and on the Mediterranean coast, British and American troops advanced rapidly, liberating all of France, Holland, Belgium, but in September 1944, reaching the German borders, they suddenly stalled. Eisenhower's headquarters explained this by stretching communications, the need to replenish ammunition and fuel. But the "respite" dragged on for three months! And why not drag out? The Allies fulfilled their promise to open a "second front", but the Russians were still left to finish off the Nazis and shed blood. position - to stand still and be ready to intervene later when it is easier ...
The German command began to receive alarming reports from the east. Initially, the Soviet armies planned an offensive in Poland on January 20, and in Prussia on February 8. But after the Allies begged for help, Stalin turned to the front commanders, would they be able to start early? However, he stipulated that the postponement should not disrupt our plans and lead to unjustified losses. Having weighed all the factors, the Soviet command found it possible to somewhat reduce training, to strike on January 12-15. But even before the rumbling of Soviet guns and "Katyushas", the Germans guessed that they were about to get hot. The reserves intended for the development of a breakthrough in the Ardennes, they had to turn in the opposite direction. "This is how the battles went in Western Europe and how our troops helped the allies. Https://topwar.ru/67271-bitva-v-ardennah.htmlhttps: //topwar.ru/67271-bitva-v-ardennah.html [quote = Foxmara]

[Oleg Zorin]

Nikolay, surprised by your remark. In the Ardennes, everything ended already in December and ended unequivocally. The fact that the Russians will advance the Germans was known a priori. Somehow it does not seem like you at all, usually your opinions are always balanced.

[Foxmara]

Quote: Oleg Zorin

In the Ardennes, it all ended in December

No, in December it began.
December 16, 1944 - January 29, 1945.
So in vain you roll a barrel on Nikolay.

[tlauicol]

Quote: Foxmara

Quote: Oleg Zorin

In the Ardennes, it all ended in December

No, in December it began.
December 16, 1944 - January 29, 1945.
So in vain you roll a barrel on Nikolay.

that's right: on December 25 the offensive stopped, from December 26 to January 29, 45 the Allied counterattack

[naidas]

Quote: BlackMokona

if the USSR attacked Germany in exchange for Lend-Lee, then a mercenary contract with payment for blood.

How is the war with Japan? USSR stipulated (Yalta Conference) and received payment

Quote: BlackMokona

And so Germany attacked the USSR and absolutely free aid.

I would read the newspaper the truth:
About the USA (the newspaper does not say about the gratuitous transfer of property):
"The United States of America, on the basis of the lease and lease of weapons (by Lend-Lease), ...
... Of the shipped amount, 7,4 million tons arrived in the Soviet Union, amounting to 4.612 million dollars ... "

Quote: BlackMokona

Note that we ourselves did not help Britain at all while it alone fought with Hitler

Still in the plans for the bombing of the Baku oil fields by France and England, would you help England?

Quote: BlackMokona

And German industry was actively producing weapons from Soviet resources with which the USSR was abundantly supplied to the USSR.

And therefore, Hitler provided the USSR with 200 million marks of credit and committed himself to supply not only machine tools and other industrial equipment to the USSR, but also military equipment. An important point for the USSR was the fact that England and France, in essence, stopped fulfilling Soviet orders. The United States took a similar position.
https://topwar.ru/99727-kak-stalin-gitlera-pereigral.html

[Blackmokona]

Still in the plans for the bombing of the Baku oil fields by France and England, would you help England?

But the USSR discussed with Germany the sending of German troops to India through the territory of the USSR, and why?
Politicians and strategists are preparing all the options.

How is the war with Japan? USSR stipulated (Yalta Conference) and received payment

Exactly. War by agreement and for payment.

I would read the newspaper the truth:
About the USA (the newspaper does not say about the gratuitous transfer of property):
"The United States of America, on the basis of the lease and lease of weapons (by Lend-Lease), ...
... Of the shipped amount, 7,4 million tons arrived in the Soviet Union, amounting to 4.612 million dollars ... "

Now read about paying for all this.

And therefore, Hitler provided the USSR with 200 million marks of credit and committed himself to supply not only machine tools and other industrial equipment to the USSR, but also military equipment. An important point for the USSR was the fact that England and France, in essence, stopped fulfilling Soviet orders. The United States took a similar position.

And what? You are trying to justify the USSR by the fact that he made a profit from this. But American corporations received superprofits from German orders.

[naidas]

Quote: BlackMokona

if the USSR attacked Germany in exchange for a Lend-Lease, then a mercenary contract with payment for blood.

Quote: BlackMokona

Exactly. War by agreement and for payment.

Quote: BlackMokona

Note that we ourselves did not help Britain at all while it alone fought with Hitler

Quote: BlackMokona

Politicians and strategists are preparing all the options.

Quote: BlackMokona

And what? You are trying to justify the USSR by the fact that he made a profit from this. But American corporations received superprofits from German orders.

Here you yourself do not answer yet. For Americans, this is not only super-profit, but also the outbreak of war in Europe. For the USSR, survival. And these are two differences.

[kig]

World War II began in 1939. The Soviet Union until June 1941 sent a lot to Germany, which certainly helped Germany to fight. For example, with the same UK.

[Foxmara]

The USSR offered Britain and France an alliance against Germany. They refused. Yes, and in one place of such allies .. Poland hoped out and was completely occupied. The USSR was the last European country to sign a non-aggression pact with Germany. Poland generally thought that they were allies and dreamed of a joint attack on the USSR. The USSR received from Germany vital goods. Which I suppose other trading "partners" refused to supply.

[Blackmokona]

Read why they refused, one clause of the contract did not suit them. Without it, they agreed to sign immediately

[Foxmara]

Quote: BlackMokona

one clause of the contract did not suit them. Without it, they agreed to sign immediately

Is this one in which they should clearly state the amount of assistance? Instead, we can help as we can .. Yes, and they did not have the authority to sign, those who negotiated.
Well, or tell us your vision, I do not see something for that single reason.

[Blackmokona]

No, this is a point about preventive intrusions into other countries.

[Foxmara]

that is, they gave Hitler the opportunity to annex the Czech Republic. But they were afraid that they would agree the same for the USSR. I am not surprised. Hitler is his boyfriend, a European ...
"In Munich, hoping to direct the fascist invasion to the East, Chamberlain said to Hitler:" You have enough aircraft to attack the USSR, especially since there is no longer any danger of Soviet aircraft basing on Czechoslovak airfields. "

[Blackmokona]

Well, first they were burned in Czechoslovakia, and then they blew milk. Simple practice. And then you know the second time to get an analogue of Munich, this would be an indelible super shame

[naidas]

Quote: kig

The Soviet Union until June 1941 sent a lot to Germany, which certainly helped Germany fight

And France and England built airfields to bomb the Soviet Baku oil fields:
On March 8, a very important event took place in the context of the preparation of the war with the Soviet Union of Great Britain and France. On this day, an English committee of chiefs of staff presented to the government a report entitled "The military consequences of hostilities against Russia in 1940." https://topwar.ru/1439-v-1940-godu-anglichane-i-francuzy-sobiralis-bombit-sssr.html

[atalef]

Quote: Wanderer Polente

Before the war began, and during the war, American companies actively invested in German industry. Without the help of the companies (true owners) of the USA, fascist Germany could never build up its military power (https://topwar.ru/35451 -lend-liz-dlya-gitlera.html).
AND WAR WOULD NOT BE ...
And deliveries to our country were essentially paid for by the blood of our country.
The policy is very simple - SHARE AND POWER ...

Well, then it’s probably worth recalling the Soviet Union’s deliveries of Nazi Germany (under many trade agreements) and, according to the latest from 1939, I dare to notice the Second World War at that time.
Is it worth mentioning about the training of German pilots, tankers, etc. at Soviet training grounds?
Or do you specially ignore this fact?

[Sugar Honeyovich]

Quote: atalef

probably worth remembering

Not worth it, but be sure to remember. Just remember everything. And the supply of Nazi Germany with technical innovations in the USSR and the training by German instructors of Soviet pilots, tankers, etc. and much more that today some people like to keep silent.

[Beringovsky]

atalef
Is it worth mentioning about the training of German pilots, tankers, etc. at Soviet training grounds?

After 1939? !!! Come on, "mention" ... dreamer

[Prosha]

Why keep silent, it is rather that you, having no full understanding, have raised a question that is against your conclusions - we have gained technology and experience for our raw materials, and this is much more important.

[Foxmara]

Quote: atalef

Is it worth mentioning about the training of German pilots, tankers, etc. at Soviet training grounds?

Do you know for sure? All these training grounds were built by the Germans or with German money and remained with us. And it was to put it mildly BEFORE. Before the war with Germany.

Quote: atalef

and according to the latest from 1939, I dare to notice the Second World War at that time in full swing.

Have we already fought in it? Who were we supposed to be there in Europe? Those who refused the union should not. I see no reason not to fulfill the signed treaties, by which the USSR received the help that he needed. The war in Europe was not as terrible as it became in the USSR. They didn’t plan to destroy the Europeans completely, and even the resistance that they rendered completely ruled out help. To those who are not their own friends, no one is an ally.

[Ruger-para]

They invested in our nemeryanno-one Stalingrad tractor built by them (not free of course) what it costs.

[3x3zsave]

I'm wondering how it is possible to write off industrial equipment "lost in the course of military operations". Or was it returned? Or did they pay?

[kig]

In theory, he had to pay.

[atalef]

Quote: kig

In theory, he had to pay.

There is neither, in theory, nor without.
Lost during the war was not payable

[Foxmara]

They returned. The Americans did not even take out part of the return - they destroyed it on the spot. But technology could still serve. But, what an ally, such and actions.

[Nikolai Miracles]

If the equipment remained to serve, would have to pay for it, and so exempt from payment.

[tlauicol]

Quote: 3x3zsave

I'm wondering how it is possible to write off industrial equipment "lost in the course of military operations". Or was it returned? Or did they pay?

must return. do not return - pay.
not returned or paid as a result

[3x3zsave]

After the Fulton speech?

[tlauicol]

Quote: 3x3zsave

After the Fulton speech?

Like, I took a hammer, a truck, a concrete mixer from a neighbor and you can’t give it back after repair. Then he quarreled with him and now owes nothing?

[3x3zsave]

Well, these are our assumptions with you ... Maybe someone is more knowledgeable in this matter? For I can imagine how you can return, for example, a carousel, but how to tear oil-refining equipment out of the technological chain is already gone!

[kig]

As far as I remember, in the end, we (the USSR and subsequently the Russian Federation) paid about 700 million dl, and for what exactly was it paid? Of course, in the negotiations something concrete was discussed, possibly (and most likely) the factories.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: 3x3zsave

After the Fulton speech?

In a Fulton speech from a hostile USSR, it is only said about the Iron Curtain - which really was a call for the unity of the Anglo-Saxons against "tyranny". Otherwise:
1) Proposal for the establishment of the UN Armed Forces
2) Enhanced cooperation between the WB and the USA

A special relationship already exists between the USA and Canada and the South American republics. We also have a 20-year cooperation and mutual assistance agreement with Russia

3)

A shadow fell on the picture of the world so recently illuminated by the victory of the Allies. No one knows what Soviet Russia and its international communist organization intend to do in the near future and what are the limits, if any, of their expansionist and reversal tendencies.

I deeply admire and honor the valiant Russian people and my wartime comrade Marshal Stalin

4)

We understand that Russia needs to ensure the security of its western borders from the possible resumption of German aggression. We are glad to see her in her rightful place among the leading world powers. We salute her flag on the seas. And above all, we welcome the constant, frequent and growing ties between the Russians and our peoples on both sides of the Atlantic

5)

I do not believe that Russia wants war. What she wants is the fruits of war and the unlimited spread of her power and doctrines. But what we should think about here today, while there is still time, is the prevention of wars forever and the creation of conditions for freedom and democracy as soon as possible in all countries

6)

We need to achieve a settlement, and the more time it takes, the more difficult it will go and the more formidable our dangers will be. From what I observed in the behavior of our Russian friends and allies during the war, I came to the conclusion that they respect nothing as strength and have less respect for anything than military weakness

And all in that spirit. How hostile this private speech, which Churchill was then, and why they began to consider her the point of reference at the beginning of the Cold War, is unclear.

[Oleg Kolsky 051]

Yes? Wasn't this whip, when he was not yet a "private person", the operation "Unthinkable" was being worked out? And this is the whole point, and not in a verbal husk to the public. Like an Anglo-Saxon smile on his face, and a knife in his bosom.

[Krasnodar]

Actually, about the "Unthinkable", they were immediately sent by the Americans, who did not understand why, for the sake of imperial ambitions, the decrepit WB had to ruin their guys in Europe in the war with yesterday’s ally, and the British military put Churchill on the table, not a well-developed operation

[Oleg Kolsky 051]

So what? The fact itself is eloquent and does not require adding to the portrait of Churchill - he was ready to arrange a massacre for an ally. And if at least the slightest chance, they would not hesitate to arrange Dresden for Soviet cities. I don’t know about you, but they wanted to multiply my ancestors by zero. And this was left to the project only from the real possibility of being rolled up by Soviet tanks, and not out of kindness.

[Krasnodar]

And what about Dresden with spiritual kindness? )) Roosevelt wanted to build the UN, and not fight the Union, the British wanted to return home, incl. from the colonies, and not fight with yesterday’s ally, and Churchill was simply loyal to the British policy of leveling military force and the influence of any European hegemon that the USSR turned out to be then. Well, all potential participants sent him with this idea - he was forced to exchange Poland for Greece in the end, and even then, because of Stalin’s reluctance to get involved in an adventure in the Mediterranean without a strong fleet.

[the lord]

And Dresden here is an Amer crime committed with one purpose - to destroy the city in the Soviet occupation zone. But what does Roosevelt have to do with it. when did Truman start post-war dismantling? If you Jews want so much to thank amers for Lend-Lease, your business, of course. For us, this is completely and optionally and even unacceptable, since it was not us, but these Americans, who continued the war in a cold format.

[Krasnodar]

But Frankfurt am Main, Würzburg, etc. in the American zone of occupation have not been destroyed?
Roosevelt - as the high commander in chief of the United States was, and Truman really had nothing to do with it))
We Jews received a land lease from Amers, being an integral part of the Soviet people, to thank everyone for it or not is everyone’s business, but about the Cold War, well, there were a lot of things mixed up on all sides.

[the lord]

And were they also destroyed? Did that even make sense?
Roosevelt was commander in chief. Yes, unfortunately, he died, and in his place was Truman.
And was there such a good thing on our part to establish the Cold War, when we began to concede to them in everything because of the atomic bomb?

[Krasnodar]

Frankfurt am Main - more than 80% of buildings, Würzburg more, Düsseldorf too - just a few raids, and Dresden for two, in my opinion. Of course it made sense — a mobilization reserve, industry — even the textile, railway, Nazi party centers, etc. Cheto no one ever in Stalingrad with 50 thousand inhabitants destroyed by German aviation (4th Air Army, EMNIP, does not remember).
From the Soviet side - Stalin promised democratic elections in Eastern Europe to Churchill - Roosevelt didn’t care for that, for example, then exchanged it for Greece - like the British to the Greeks, to us Poles (in fact, it was not the atomic bomb that played the role, but the lack of a strong fleet - vigorous loaf was in single copies). The financial support of the Communist Parties of Western Europe, Canada and the United States, which none of the leaders there liked. The blockade of West Berlin and much more. Everything was muddy there.

[the lord]

Stop stop stop. Yes, you already wondered:
Würzburg: The end of the war, the remnants of the Luftwaffe fend off the onslaught of the Soviet Air Force in the east, the Royal British Air Force approach the matter thoroughly and without fuss: the first blow is with high-explosive bombs that tear down roofs of houses and knock windows in a radius of several kilometers. Subsequent - tons of incendiary bombs. “Fire storm” - thousands of living people, only a small part of whom are military, and more and more women with children, burn down alive. Würzburg “was primarily chosen because it was easy for bombers to find and destroy. Because he had a medieval center - he had to be especially vulnerable to the attacks of the elements of fire, "the British version of Wiki explains busily. British losses - two planes ... Yeah, exactly how mobilization centers were chosen
Dusseldorf was bombed, and he didn’t get much, that’s right. The fate of Dusseldorf is comparable to other cities in Germany in World War II. The first bombs fell on the city in 1940. Beginning in 1942, the bombardment reached its climax: the August 1 air attack destroyed a significant (erroneous say: LARGE!) Part of the city. By the end of the war, nine heavy air attacks inflicted very severe damage or even destroyed half of the city’s buildings and landscape.
About ten percent of all buildings remained intact (safe and sound). But, contrary to the mention of 90% destruction by someone, every second house was seriously damaged.
Frankfurt am Main bombing is a series of Allied bombing raids during World War II. As a result of the raids, half of the city's residential buildings (90) were destroyed. The historical (medieval) city center was completely destroyed. Losses among the civilian population amounted to approximately 000 residents killed, among which was Princess Maria Alexandra of Baden
Those. Do not compare with Dresden in any way and the percentage is much lower than you specified.
And now about the wonderful causes of the Cold War. Are you seriously? This was the cause of the war - the promised elections and support for the Communist Parties? This is a gobble cause. And how do you get along with the assembled and armed SS divisions in Bison? There has not yet been talk of elections and the support of the Communist Parties.
And how it gets along with you, you drown me in a dispute over Putin with his economy and announce your satisfaction with prices in the Krasnodar Territory that you adore, then you urge us to thank the amers and their shelupon gang of war-racers, for Lend-Lease!

[Krasnodar]

1) I'm not lying, but you - Würzburg was first bombed by mistake instead of Schweinfurt, where the tank factory was)). Less copy-paste - I lived in this very Würzburg, so I know its history The first time Wurzburg was bombed instead of Schweinfurt in July 44th, continued bombing in December of that year - half of the German fighter aircraft were on the defensive of Germany at that time, and in March there was a blow to their future zone of occupation)). So sho by About interest - this town is smaller than Dresden, and more than 80 percent were destroyed - so that’s comparable. The townspeople consider the reason for this to be the choice of Würzburg as the place where Hitler wanted to retire - still because of this, every May XNUMXst, neo-Nazis come from different parts of Germany for the march - under very tight guard by the police. But many Germans are trying to make themselves victims of a war that they themselves started and whimper about the crimes of the West against their cities and the East against their Froilians.
As for the Cold War, the parties did not trust each other. Churchill was afraid of the expansion of the USSR into Eastern Europe - from there the landing in Sicily in 43rd. The fact that the SS-Vvets were armed in the year 46 are dodges, of course. This was done after the Soviet Union suspended the supply of agricultural products to West Germany, and in the 49th this area was already called Trizonia - the Britons, Amers and Franks united their occupation zones - further the blockade of West Berlin, etc. In addition, in the 46th the Communist Party of France and the communist cells in Northern Italy received Soviet aid in full.
Putin, Krasnodar Territory and Lend-Lease - Horses mixed in a bunch, people ...
1) The Russian economy after 2014 does not make me happy - I hope for the Amers war with Iran and the rise in oil prices.
2) Prices in the Krasnodar Territory suit me - and?
3) Land Liz - gunpowder, fighters, cars - what's bad? ))))

[the lord]

No, you are lying, comparing these cities with Dresden. who dared for two raids, about the second they suspect that it was done to kill more rescuers. These same cities bombed more gradually, and more than half of the houses remained only spoiled and even whole. But the fact of such bombing of small towns is a clear war crime unjustified by nothing.
Now about the Cold War, what you cite as a Soviet contribution to its development is zashkvar. You never know which politicians did not like the presence of the USSR in the Eastern European cause for unleashing this is clearly not, moreover, it is logical in everything. To unleash a war because of this, especially after such a WWII crime against humanity. The Italian and French Communists received some help. and not with might and main. And at this time, the Britons and the Americans mastered the German and Italian colonies, so what?
And not Putin. Krasnodar Territory and Lend-Lease mixed in a bunch, and your funny opinions. In our recent dispute over the economy, you proved to be a patriot, and right now drown as a real liberal. The nature of the Jew is two-faced and you are proof of this. Alas. And it was precisely about this, and not about prices in the Krasnodar Territory, that was one of the branches of our then dispute. A helpful Jew is sitting in you right now. trying to lick amers and brits for a land lease. But this is a licking of incendiaries demanding from us to respect those who not only helped us, but also rendered it to the Reich right up to the invasion of Normandy. Once again, the nature of Jewry is funny)))))

[Krasnodar]

1) Here is a person - saved up from the first resource highlighted on Yandex - and I'm a liar
2) They suggest about the second raid on Dresden, they guess about the first - they tested the Carpet bombing on the road junction and hit the Germans on the mobilization resource - and that’s it. The crime? Yes. Against criminals? Yes too. Mirnyak is sorry. Do they feel sorry for the Soviet, Polish and English peacemen, when everything went well with them - I do not think))
3) Then you copy-paste about the demolished Würzburg - then talk about half of the whole houses For your information - only the city center was more or less restored by 1964 - so do not need a lala. Frankfurt was also demolished by more than 80% - not like Dresden, from one bombing - but also.
4) Neo-Nazis march in the beloved city of the Fuhrer - most likely because in March it was demolished.
5) Is Zashkvar a hairdryer? )))
I didn’t understand from what I read, after our supplies of agricultural products to West Germany were suspended - what was the crime - the Cold War, or what? The armament of the SS-vts is, of course, the rest is garbage.
6) Well, Mercedes was not allocated to each of them, but how they could - financed)) Their leaders were enough for idleness and printing of newspapers. Meanwhile, the States began to work out the plan of Marshall. I’m not saying that they are better, I just show that the sides ran into each other.
7) What is a cheer patriot and who is, in your opinion, a liberal?
8) The nature of the Jew is two-faced - tell me again - they are thieving, begging and “knocking”)
9) Lick amers and Britons - on a fig? )))))) And where does the Jew? When someone needs three pennies, they specialize in licking so much that I give money more so as not to see these people ever, because I know in advance that they will wash off for joy - you have this trait, I think - I know better than me
10) In the sense - helped the Reich? )) Funded, traded? So the USSR traded with Hitler during the "battle for England", for example
11) Of course the nature of Jewry is funny - you will have a good laugh)). Prices in Krasnodar suit them - hee hee Fly to Switzerland - then we'll talk about prices in the Krasnodar Territory))

[the lord]

About Würzburg, you showed it burned, and I pointed to the remaining half of the buildings in other cities as well. They were bombed for a long time. not just like Dresden. Mirnyak had the opportunity to escape in those cities. leaving a city or bombing area. And a peaceful man always remains a peaceful one.
And let's not talk about neo-Nazis, it was the Britons and the Americans who gave us the opportunity to march. And you grieve over the fact that they didn’t do the genocide by hand - your ancestors came up with this thing, so don’t be sorry)))) I will greet Navin for centuries.
As for zashkvara, whether he is out of fen, are you so out of date? Although do not expect your zashkvar visible here.
Not deliveries of food to western Germany by us - what are you talking about? And weapons ss-tsev- is it just a crime? And what else is considered garbage? Separation of Germany by the introduction of the West German brand? Actions on the mandatory fomentation of war - garbage? Well then your fellow tribesmen howl so much about the infrastructure of the Iranians in Syria?))) And there the Iranians only take their own right, they strengthen the influence deserved in the war.
Nafia do you lick amers and Britons? Seeing from the desire to target immodest on the fan in the direction of the USSR and other things. You know better. And how Jews lick their ass, you can not make legends. they are known.
You are embarrassed by the info about the US trade with the Reich almost until the very fact of landing in Normandy. supplying strategic raw materials as well? And we do not know everything yet. And how cheaply did they sell our conscience by reproaching us for trading with the Reich during his war with the Britons? They themselves rejected us, and we should have cried for them? And then not all the crimes of the Reich were known and Hitler was not a war criminal.

[Blackmokona]

The headquarters always work out plans for all conceivable and not conceivable military conflicts.
The unthinkable name hints

[3x3zsave]

Ok, Albert, however:
1. Agree that there are such "private persons" whose word has such a weight that prevails over the statements of a dozen officials
2. In the USSR, this speech was perceived as a signal to the beginning of the confrontation, which was not without meaning, because ...
3. ... after him the era of "McCarthyism" began in the States
PS I, in fact, oppose this, "for the sake of order." My interest was in the material and economic plane. Especially: "who threw whom and how much?"

[Krasnodar]

Everything is right - truth is born in a dispute.
1) Of course, Churchill’s words were more important than any of his successor’s speeches as Prime Minister
2) The confrontation began already in August 1945. Fulton speech used by both parties for propaganda purposes
3) McCarthyism began in the States due to the popularity of the USSR and, accordingly, communist ideas, including among American journalists, cultural figures and, most importantly, technical intelligentsia. This was not from scratch - the business of the Rosenberg spouses, for example, in general, among the creators of the Amer nuclear weapons, the bulk were people of rather leftist views, well, of which nationality))).

[3x3zsave]

What, something again Chukchi?!?!

[Astra wild]

Anton, I appreciate your humor

[Krasnodar]

Lapland Eskimos
Why immediately Chukchi? Oppenheimer & Co.

[Foxmara]

After a neighbor declared war on you - what is there to return to him ??? Fulton speech was just such an act. Only a complete fool would repay debts to the enemy.

[VeteranVSSSR]

And you know, I worked on a jig boring machine set in the 70s Lend-Lease, and I even remember the company, it seems Prot / Whitney.

[creak]

Quote: VeteranVSSSR

And you know, I worked on a jig boring machine set in the 70s Lend-Lease, and I even remember the company, it seems Prot / Whitney.

This is the famous American company Pratt and Whitney, its aircraft engines are supplied to many countries around the world, including to Russia and are considered one of the best ...

[Blackmokona]

Bombers bombed the plant and there’s a cancellation

[atalef]

Quote: 3x3zsave

I'm wondering how it is possible to write off industrial equipment "lost in the course of military operations". Or was it returned? Or did they pay?

Very simple .
Factories bombed, the army also had repair crews - which lost equipment
The system was simple - Lend - Liz.
We lend - losses during hostilities - were not payable, weapons and equipment after the end of the war were subject to return or payment at a sufficient cost.
In my opinion, everything is very honest.
What is the problem at all?
Probably worth saying thanks, and not pouring a tub of shit.

[bionik]

Few people know that the first country to officially announce support for the Soviet Union after the start of World War II was Mongolia. The meeting of the Presidium of the People's Khural and the Central Committee of the Mongolian People's Revolutionary Party took place on the first day of the war, June 22, 1941. It was unanimously decided: to provide comprehensive assistance to the Soviet people in the fight against fascism.
Mongolia helped the Soviet Union, first of all, by supplying goods. A very important help was the transfer of 500 Mongolian horses to the USSR - strong, hardy, unpretentious animals. Yes, World War II was a war of motors, but horses were used very actively by all warring parties - both in the cavalry and especially as a draft force. Horses at the platoon and company levels were often the only means for relocating artillery, ammunition, and other troops — there weren’t enough trucks! With the funds raised by the citizens of Mongolia, a whole tank column was built! At the same time, all tanks received their own names: “Big Khural”, “From the Council of Ministers of the MPR”, “Suhe Bator”, “Marshal Choibalsan”, “Khatan-Bator Maksarzhav”, “Mongolian Chekist”, “Mongolian Arat”, “From the intelligentsia MPR "and so on. Further more! The Mongols transferred over 000 million rubles and over 2,5 kg of gold to Vneshtorgbank of the USSR. The Mongolian Arat aviation squadron was built with these funds. The Prime Minister of the MPR, Marshal Choibalsan. On behalf of the Soviet Government and my own, I express my heartfelt gratitude to you, and in your person, to the government and people of the Mongolian People’s Republic, who have gathered two million Tugriks to build a squadron of Mongolian Arat combat aircraft for the Red Army, which is waging a heroic struggle against the Nazi invaders. The desire of the MPR workers to build a squadron of Mongolian Arat combat aircraft will be fulfilled, ”Joseph Stalin, telegram dated August 300, 18.

[bionik]

Mongolia for the USSR was practically the only supplier of sheepskin from which officer short fur coats were sewn. While the Nazis were freezing near Moscow and Stalingrad in their half-woolen field-coat, Soviet soldiers and officers felt comfortable in sheepskin short fur coats from Mongolia. Mongolian wool was also supplied in huge volumes to the USSR, from which greatcoats for soldiers were made. Echelon after echelon, food supplies went to the USSR. According to experts, Mongolia has supplied more wool and meat to the USSR than the USA under Lend-Lease! Here is a list of what was sent in one of the trains from Mongolia to the USSR in November 1942:
"Short fur coats - 30 115 pieces; felt boots - 30 500 pairs; fur mittens - 31 pairs; fur vests - 257 31 pcs.; soldier belts - 090 33 pcs.; woolen sweatshirts - 300 2 pcs.; fur blankets - 290 2 pcs.; berry jam - 011 12 kg; carcasses of gazelles - 954 pcs .; meat - 26 kg; individual parcels - 758 pcs .; sausage - 316 000 kg; oil - 22 kg. ”But there were dozens of such trains! The Mongols so zealously collected parcels for soldiers of the Red Army that in 176, in several regions of the country, hunger occurred - all food was sent to the USSR.
Look at the road Ulan Bator - Biysk. It is trodden by millions of cattle, which drove the Mongolian arats to the largest in the USSR, and probably in the world, “Biysk meat-canning factory”. The Biysk meat-canning all the years of the war processed into stew up to 2000 cattle heads DAILY.
The American stew on the fronts was exotic, and therefore it was remembered. Native "Biysk", from Mongolian meat, everyday life. It is simply not known how the USSR would feed the front without the help of the people of Mongolia.
During the war, Mongolia voluntarily and gratuitously cleaned out its food resources, then in 1946 a serious famine began in their country. They had to save already.

[bionik]

The Mongols sincerely supported the Soviet Union not only with commodity supplies. Several thousand volunteers from Mongolia fought in the Red Army. Using their skills as hunters or riders, they became snipers, scouts, or fought in cavalry units. And in August 1945, the Mongol army joined the Far East Red Army and participated in the defeat of Japan. Every tenth soldier in the Far East was a Mongol. Unfortunately, the help of Mongolia and the entire Mongolian people to the Soviet Union today is greatly underestimated. We know a lot about Lend-Lease deliveries, but forget about the support of our eastern neighbor.
But “an unpretentious Mongolian horse reached Berlin next to a Soviet tank,” General Pliev wrote in his memoirs. Thank you Mongol brothers!

[bionik]

Squadron "Mongolian arat"

With the funds raised by the citizens of Mongolia, a whole tank column was built

[tlauicol]

Mongolian soldiers did not participate in the Second World War - this is not true. Participated in the war with Japan, lost 75 people. Armed at the expense of the USSR

[igor67]

https://topwar.ru/74604-pomosch-stepey-mongoly-vernye-soyuzniki-velikoy-otechestvennoy.html
https://topwar.ru/139632-kak-mongoliya-pomogla-pobedit-gitlera.html
On the site, the assistance of Mongolia was discussed, there, too, not everything is clear

[Nagaibak]

tlahuikol "Mongolian soldiers did not participate in the Second World War - that's not true."
But they participated in the second world war.

[tlauicol]

Quote: Nagaibak

tlahuikol "Mongolian soldiers did not participate in the Second World War - that's not true."
But they participated in the second world war.

on which fronts, do not you say?

[Nagaibak]

tlahuikol "on what fronts, would you mind?"
Of course I will. World War II ended on September 2, 1945 with the signing of surrender by Japan. The Mongols participated in the Manchurian operation on the side of the USSR. So they participated in the second world war.))) And you did not know?)))

[tlauicol]

Q.E.D.
and there was no need to crush the water if I already wrote all this

[Sergey Valov]

And what could the Mongols do but support the USSR? The existence of their country depended entirely on the existence of the USSR.

[Alex013]

No wonder Mongolia was called the 16th republic of the USSR. Even the alphabet is in Cyrillic.

[Looking for]

everything is absolutely true. It is very regrettable. that this help is UNWARDEDLY relegated to the background. But without it, the situation could develop as in Gaidar's fairy tale - "and there are guns. but there is no one to shoot"

[atalef]

Quote: Seeker

everything is absolutely true. It is very regrettable. that this help is UNWARDEDLY relegated to the background. But without it, the situation could develop as in Gaidar's fairy tale - "and there are guns. but there is no one to shoot"

It cannot be pushed aside, but it cannot be in the foreground either in terms of volume or in quantity and specification of supplies.

[Sergey Valov]

"American stew on the fronts was exotic" - firstly, it was not exotic, as in the rear. And secondly, what's the difference where to send the food received, to the front or to the rear? Or do you need to feed civilians?

[tlauicol]

people do not know what Hasek and Remarque wrote about how the brave soldier Schweik on the eastern front, and the heroes "All Quiet on the Western Front" on the western, ate canned meat during WWI, respectively.
People generally love fairy tales, not truth, for it is bitter

[3x3zsave]

There was an article on a resource about canned food, about a year ago, either due to authorship of either Skomorokhov or Fedorov.

[Amurets]

Quote: 3x3zsave

There was an article on a resource about canned food, about a year ago, either due to authorship of either Skomorokhov or Fedorov.

Roman Skomorokhov series of articles "300 years of army cuisine".

[tlauicol]

Quote: 3x3zsave

There was an article on a resource about canned food, about a year ago, either due to authorship of either Skomorokhov or Fedorov.

Yes, I mean that some argue that the Americans did not know how to make stew, and we taught them. We have been able to do this for 120 years, but we didn’t eat this ersatz, just like we didn’t eat hamburgers.

[tlauicol]

Few people know that the Mongolian land lease is not a land lease at all, and not free deliveries, but a purchase
We ask Vyacheslav to write an article about this myth

[pyc.arpeccop tornado 150]

. With the funds raised by the citizens of Mongolia, a whole tank column was built!

Suddenly.

With the funds donated by the Armenians of Iran and Ethiopia, two General Baghramyan tank columns were built (in the first column there were 21, in the second - 22 T-34 tanks), etc.

[Oleg Zorin]

I didn’t even suspect, thanks

[Sugar Honeyovich]

And Tuva on June 25, 1941 declared war on Germany ..

[Operator]

The cost of American lend-lease supplies was less than 1% of US GDP.

[kig]

Deliveries under Lend-Lease rules were carried out to quite a few countries, which ones did you find?

[Operator]

Only for the USSR.

[Amurets]

Quote: Operator

Only for the USSR.

Lend-Lease deliveries were for Great Britain, China and the USSR. "Initially, the countries of the British Empire and China were involved in the Lend-Lease program. Since November 1941, the USSR joined the program, and by the end of the war, almost all US allies became participants. In 1942, the United States signed with Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand and the Free "Another agreement with France, the so-called" Reverse "Lend-Lease. According to it, the allies already provided the US Army with goods, services and transport services, their military bases [4].

[naidas]

Brazil supplies are interesting:
The USA supplied Rio de Janeiro with Lend-Lease tanks, planes, ships and other military equipment for the invasion of Brazilian troops in Argentina.
I assume that the free Lend-Lease is only in the mousetrap.

[tlauicol]

Quote: Operator

The cost of American lend-lease supplies was less than 1% of US GDP.

it turns out: the USA didn’t get rich on L-L, for the economy in general, an insignificant figure - 0,25% per year?

[Operator]

How can you get rich on the free distribution of your products?

[Looking for]

What kind of FREE distribution ???? But how is it possible after such a HERESY to conduct a discussion with you about Lend-Lease.

[Alf]

Quote: Operator

How can you get rich on the free distribution of your products?

The US government gave "a little" work to its industry, lifting it out of the Depression.

[atalef]

Quote: Operator

The cost of American lend-lease supplies was less than 1% of US GDP.

And the states did not fight at that time?
Were there no food on the cards?
Maybe the people of America were chic?
Where did women in American industry come from?
Women in America before the Second World War were usually housewives.
What kind of fairy tales are pouring here.
The war with Japan and then Germany was the hardest for the American industry and people.

[Moskovit]

Road spoon for dinner. In the battle of Moscow, the number of British armored vehicles reached 10%. At that time, when every tank was counted, this was an important help. In parts in the North Caucasus in the year 42, the overall number of British and American vehicles was under 70% due to Iran’s proximity. Caucasus defended.
So Lend-Lease really helped our people win.

[Nagaibak]

Moskovit "The road is a spoon for dinner. In the battle of Moscow, the number of British armored vehicles reached 10%."
What period of the Moscow battle do you mean? In my opinion, their equipment near Moscow in 41 didn’t play any role at all.))) The main help that the allies rendered came at a time when the Red Army already owned the initiative. What they supplied was certainly good and beautiful. (Especially in aviation fuel and rail transport. But, I think ours could eventually cope without them (since they survived without their help in the difficult years of the initial period of the war.

[Oleg Zorin]

Could probably. Only the war would have ended much later and not in Berlin, but somewhere near the pre-war border. And casualties would be much higher. And hell knows how the Anglo-Saxons would agree with Germany.

[Sugar Honeyovich]

Quote: Moskovit

So Lend-Lease really helped our people win.

It’s more correct to say: finish off the enemies. Of all the figures for Lend-Lease, two are often forgotten: in 1941-42, the USSR received 7% of it, in 1943-45 -93%. So not our victory thanks to Lend-Lease, but Lend-Lease thanks to victory.

[Alceers]

The disrespectful caliber again climbs into the topic In which it does not understand the word at all. And again, with a petty little thought about the eternal dullness and wretchedness of us Russians.
Caliber. Analysis involves at least a comparison of quantitative and qualitative indicators of the analyzed. Not just the number of cans of stew, but how much as a percentage of their own production, when and where it was delivered. And not pulling out some numbers from some publication there. And regarding the deliveries by Lend Liz, such an analysis was made a long time ago, including on the pages of the site. And your caliber, liberal fascist myths for the sake of which you gave birth to such a footcloth do not play.
In a word, I congratulate you once again. Even though you boast about your pseudo-merits, but judging by your publications on your dissertation, you are not capable of formulating and solving any scientific problems. All that you are capable of is more or less acceptable to translate foreign publications. And then mow constantly. As in that article about shells from shells that you had in your mountains lying ankle-deep.

[Catfish]

The author simply reprinted articles from the Pravda newspaper, where is there about the dullness and wretchedness of the Russians? True, when you read your writings, you will involuntarily think ...

[naidas]

The author simply put his meaning into an article from the Pravda newspaper and covered it with numbers: read the scanned article:
https://www.liveinternet.ru/users/arhivist/post429053059/
About the USA (the newspaper does not say about the gratuitous transfer of property):
"The United States of America, on the basis of the lease and lease of weapons (by Lend-Lease), ...
... Of the shipped amount, 7,4 million tons arrived in the Soviet Union, amounting to 4.612 million dollars ... "
About England: 319 thousand tons without payment as military assistance (33 million pounds).
The rest is like on credit.
About Canada: under the United Nations Mutual Assistance Act, 175 tonnes worth $ 61 million Canadian dollars.
What kind of law is not clear, there was a loan from England for the supply of goods to the USSR.

[Nycomed]

But comrade I.V. Stalin could have ended WWII very quickly if, in May 1940, when almost the entire German army was in full force in France, Benelux, Norway, etc., he would have taken the Red Army and crossed the Polish border with all its might. a few days would be in Berlin. How do you like this?

[VeteranVSSSR]

And if grandmother had bells, then ...

[Amurets]

Quote: VeteranVSSSR

And if grandmother had bells, then ...

A better Faberge product, it would be very cool.

[Catfish]

It would already be the Tough Grandpa on the tank in the Bene Suite.

[Edmond dantes]

It is necessary to indicate the authors of the article at the beginning, if I knew that Shpakovsky would not waste time.

[vladcub]

Is V.O. something lied?

[Alceers]

No. Worse. He, as usual, said A, but did not say B. But on this basis he smears everyone with dirt.

[tlauicol]

Quote: Alceers

No. Worse. He, as usual, said A, but did not say B. But on this basis he smears everyone with dirt.

Where? Where is the article in?

[naidas]

It is immediately evident that you have not read the article in the Pravda newspaper to which the author refers.

[Astra wild]

Why, Kiev, why didn’t you remember that America helped you back in the WWII? The same evidence that they recognized you back then

[15381538]

Just a few words and facts. In addition to figures in currency and pieces of everything delivered / bought.
At the beginning of the war, England itself was on the verge - nothing was missing due to the blockade.
But it helped us, it doesn’t matter for thanks or pounds, but it helped.
We fulfilled the agreements with Germany until June 22, Japan supplied Sakhalin oil wars. It was ... And several million hi-vi worked for the Germans. It was...
They got a lot of things during the war, but there were things, supplies were almost a few tons, but they could not be underestimated - I'm talking about drugs, penicillin and streptocide, whole hospitals, industrial diamonds, metal and fuel additives, such as high-octane gasolines.
Plus technology, the most advanced.
All fought, who what. Blood, brains, technology.
Politics and ideologies were in all countries and peoples. There were also just people and nations.
They won.
My father told me how after the war he wrote off a sledgehammer as a scrap before returning 12 Harleys. There was an order. The last Studebaker I saw in Kamchatka, though on blocks, in 1975. Helped on time, paid for something, and until the 70-80s, much remained, after the war, oh, how useful.
And if someone believes that they received a little, but paid a lot - like - they might not have taken it ...
Could not ... With drafts on tanks, like Voroshilov near Leningrad?
Helped - thanks, paid that promised. Now other times, authorities ...
The peoples are the same.

[vladcub]

Regarding pinicillin, recently there was a documentary about how the Soviet pinicelin was discovered. At first, the Americans were scruffy and gave: "a teaspoon per hour", and when we got our own, then they presented the production documentation

[Astra wild]

Here you are right. The Soviet Union needed pinicillin like air, but the Americans pulled rubber. I recommend you: you are interested in the history of Soviet science and medicine

[vladcub]

As for Voroshilov with a "saber for tanks", it seems that it was not near Leningrad, but near Danzig in 1939, when the Polish clans were cutting German tanks with sabers. In my opinion, in 1941, in the Leningrad region, Voroshilov with a rifle went to attack the Germans

[Nagaibak]

vladcub "and near Danzig in 1939, when the Polish clans cut down German tanks with sabers."
This is also a myth.

[vladcub]

Once upon a time, back in the Soviet Union, it was said on TV that the Polish command sent a sick head to counterattack by the Lancers (the auto editor corrected as he wants).

[Nagaibak]

15381538 "Couldn't ... With sabers on tanks, like Voroshilov near Leningrad?"
And here in more detail please.))) Maybe you can indicate the cavalry division which threshed checkers on German armor?)))

[bubalik]

So get ready: we have an interesting document in front of us!

,,, newspaper "Pravda" dated June 11, 1944

[vladcub]

So someone will be disappointed: V. O. told the TRUTH

[bubalik]

vladcub (Svyatoslav) Today, 19: 15

,,, yes, and it is strange that V.O. in the article did not cite the links, not the photo ,,, with its demands on the design of the articles.

[vladcub]

Let's ask: Vyacheslav Olegovich, s. Your memory :: shot, probably? But then it testifies that he happens to be hacky

[kalibr]

Why link when called the day of the newspaper?

[kig]

Tell us how you got it!

[bubalik]

kig Today, 04: 28

,,, on search, display where that hour spent
http://electro.nekrasovka.ru/editions/24

[MiS.]

Shpakovsky Vyacheslav Olegovich. The dissertation for the degree of "Candidate of Historical Sciences".

"Party leadership in the scientific and technical work of students of the Middle Volga during the ninth five-year plan 1971-1975." Kuibyshev Gos. Univ., 1988.

[vladcub]

Quote: Krasnodar

Quote: 3x3zsave

After the Fulton speech?

In a Fulton speech from a hostile USSR, it is only said about the Iron Curtain - which really was a call for the unity of the Anglo-Saxons against "tyranny". Otherwise:
1) Proposal for the establishment of the UN Armed Forces
2) Enhanced cooperation between the WB and the USA

A special relationship already exists between the USA and Canada and the South American republics. We also have a 20-year cooperation and mutual assistance agreement with Russia

3)

A shadow fell on the picture of the world so recently illuminated by the victory of the Allies. No one knows what Soviet Russia and its international communist organization intend to do in the near future and what are the limits, if any, of their expansionist and reversal tendencies.

I deeply admire and honor the valiant Russian people and my wartime comrade Marshal Stalin

4)

We understand that Russia needs to ensure the security of its western borders from the possible resumption of German aggression. We are glad to see her in her rightful place among the leading world powers. We salute her flag on the seas. And above all, we welcome the constant, frequent and growing ties between the Russians and our peoples on both sides of the Atlantic

5)

I do not believe that Russia wants war. What she wants is the fruits of war and the unlimited spread of her power and doctrines. But what we should think about here today, while there is still time, is the prevention of wars forever and the creation of conditions for freedom and democracy as soon as possible in all countries

6)

We need to achieve a settlement, and the more time it takes, the more difficult it will go and the more formidable our dangers will be. From what I observed in the behavior of our Russian friends and allies during the war, I came to the conclusion that they respect nothing as strength and have less respect for anything than military weakness

And all in that spirit. How hostile this private speech, which Churchill was then, and why they began to consider her the point of reference at the beginning of the Cold War, is unclear.

The question is more than interesting. Thank you very much for Cherchel’s speech, I heard about it 1000 and 1 times, but had no idea what Churchill said

[samarin1969]

Deliveries are impressive .... The scope of the US business is the same. At this time, they especially did not need these weapons. The war with Japan was modest in scope. So they pushed their products to the European theater.
Thanks to the author for statistics that help you think.
It turns out that the depth of the strategic mistakes of the military-political leadership of the USSR in 1941 was deeper than commonly believed. And in 1941 it was enough for the Americans to reduce the volume of Lend-Lease to deprive the USSR of the opportunity to create a dominant army in Europe. It would be enough for active defense, but not for a "liberation campaign". The Americans did not agree to this.

[VVAU]

War with Japan modest scope?

[samarin1969]

Look at the losses of the shtatovites ... This is nonsense compared to the operations of the Red Army and the Europeans on the territory of the USSR ... It's just that the Americans "Iwo Jima" cause Hollywood emotions.

[tlauicol]

Quote: samarin1969

Look at the losses of the United States ... This is nonsense compared to the operations of the Red Army and Europeans in the USSR.

The fact that they cherished the soldiers, and did not fill up the corpses of the Japanese, speaks of a modest scope? No, that says something else. Otherwise, Hannibal at Cannes is a modest scope and Suvorov with Rumyantsev and Navarin with Chesma.

[Barbus]

The Americans had a different scale of battles. What operations in which the number of American troops was about a million. And what was the number of opposing units. And land battles with sea battles cannot be compared to losses.
And they really cherished the soldiers. Therefore, they did not contact the Germans as long as they could (and geography contributed to this).

[tlauicol]

to cope with the Germans, Stalin increased the army to 11 million soldiers + the corresponding amount of equipment and logistics (and the help of the Allies). And now tell me how simple it is to throw 11 million people across the ocean (this is only a soldier), fighting with Japan in addition

[Barbus]

And they tell you about this: the scope is not the same. The scope of operations is not considered money, but the number of people and equipment used, as well as the length of the front line of the operation.

[kig]

As a consolation: they suffered the greatest losses at the European theater.

[tlauicol]

Quote: VVAU

War with Japan modest scope?

Dude thinks: let’s think you can build a hundred aircraft carriers, and a dozen destroyers for them - cut firewood, and women give birth to pilots.
Modest scope ... yeah. One battleship how much? A couple of thousand tanks or more?

[naidas]

Quote: samarin1969

And in 1941, it was enough for the Americans to reduce Lend-Lease in order to deprive the USSR of the opportunity to create a dominant army in Europe.

Yes, in 1941 there was almost nowhere to reduce:
Year All products (in millions of dollars)
1941 29,5
1942 1363,3
1943 2965,9
1944 3429,1
1945 1372

[Polente the Wanderer]

Read one more article by guardians (defenders) for state companies. And look at the statistics of deliveries on Lend-Lease. In the most severe 1941-42-1,2 million tons (in just 2 (two) years), 1943-4,1 million. t., 4m-tsa 1944-2,1 mln.t.
https://topwar.ru/35451-lend-liz-dlya-gitlera.html
"By the time World War II broke out, the aggregate contributions of American corporations to their German branches and representative offices amounted to about $ 800 million. ....
When the President of the Reichsbank and Hitler’s Minister of Economics, Yalmar Schacht, were tried at the Nuremberg Trials, he recalled Opel’s connections with General Motors and proposed to put American business captains on the dock .....
IBM supplied many Reich departments, including concentration camps, with its calculating machines, spare parts for them and special paper. "
Synthetic rubber, petroleum products, tungsten, ammonium for explosives, engines were supplied, and a Yu-52 bomber was assembled under the license of an amkomp.
The war did not interrupt the communication of the am.i German companies, deliveries continued during the war ....

[MiS.]

Do you know how Vyacheslav Olegovich won the All-Union competition of modelers? He very subtly felt the "moment in time" - it was 1970 in the yard. Have you already guessed, or will it take three tries?
That's right - was it possible that in the year of the centenary of the leader’s birthday, could something else be defeated except for the tank "Fighter for Freedom, Comrade Lenin"? And "Sim conquer" after all!

[Astra wild]

How do you know such things?

[MiS.]

There is someone who said. Or does the culprit refute? Many full-time "Leninists" repainted, but what did you do for the grandees of Soros?

[kalibr]

But not in 1970 ... This year I also went to school. In 1980. When was the 110 anniversary. And it was not a competition of modellers - well, what are you going to misinterpret - but the All-Union competition for the best toy for industrial production. And yes - I made a tank freedom fighter comrade Lenin. Yes, I thought with my head, and what kind of crime is this? The tank was good! Be bad no name would save him. Do you prefer people who think ass?

[VVAU]

It would be interesting in time.
Slightly important when a person is in a swamp. One at a time, not a dozen later.
Sort by years when the country was most in need of supplies of aluminum, fuel and explosives.

[Nagaibak]

VVAU "Spread throughout the years when the country most needed supplies of aluminum, fuel and explosives."
And how much will be interesting? In the years 41-42?

[kalibr]

Quote: Proxima

that the lion's share of the supply came in the 44 and 45 years,

Read the article ...

[kalibr]

Quote: MiS.

but what are you doing for the grandees of Soros?

Not grandees ... Grandees are Spanish nobles. Grants - remember. But there is only one Soros grant. For the book "Knights of the East". It is on the Internet, you can watch it, read it ... your innocence will not suffer from this!

[kalibr]

Quote: Astra wild

How do you know such things?

I have written about this in my preface to my book "Tanks are unique and paradoxical".

[vladcub]

It turns out that you "built" your opponents

[kalibr]

I do not understand how you can blame the mind for a person?

[kalibr]

Quote: figvam

And still the USSR during the war sent to England and the United States, gold and platinum

A source of information?

[naidas]

The USSR did send various goods to the USA (including 320 thousand tons of chrome ore, 32 thousand tons of manganese ore, as well as gold, platinum, wood). This was done as part of the reverse Lend-Lease program. Https: //topwar.ru/1706-lend-liz-mify-i-realnost.html
This is the sinking in April 1942 of the British cruiser Edinburgh, which transported a valuable cargo of 5500 kg of gold from the USSR to Britain.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ленд-лиз

[kalibr]

Quote: samarin1969

And in 1941, it was enough for the Americans to reduce the volume of Lend-Lease in order to deprive the USSR of the opportunity to create a dominant army in Europe. It would be enough for active defense, but not for a "liberation campaign". The Americans did not agree to this.

Exactly! You are absolutely right.

[kalibr]

I have here a whole series of articles about studying at KGU postgraduate school - there is very detailed about all this, if you are so interested in it.

[kalibr]

Quote: Alceers

As in the article about the shells from the shells that you lay ankle-deep in your mountains.

Open the original and translate yourself!

[kalibr]

Quote: Alceers

And not pulling out some numbers from some kind of publication

Not some ... But from the MESSAGE OF THE SOVIET GOVERNMENT in the newspaper Pravda. This is the official source. ALL THE FIGURES SPECIFIED IN THE ARTICLE ARE INCLUDED IN FULL! There are no separate pull-outs.

[Astra wild]

To the great chagrin of some colleagues.
Frankly: I DO NOT LOVE YOU, BUT I RESPECT. Perhaps it was easier for me to justify myself, so that you make a little mistake.

[kalibr]

Quote: Seeker

By the way. You would read at least one article. This Shpakovsky. On the heroic labor feat of the Soviet people

There was a whole series of articles about the party leadership of the evacuated population during the Great Patriotic War and its heroic work. Go to the profile look through or look for tags ...

[kalibr]

Quote: Alceers

dissertations your fake

Do I have a lot of them?

[kalibr]

Quote: 3x3zsave

Perhaps the supply of location equipment secret?

Нет!

[1536]

Good information. Just referring to the newspaper Pravda, it would be nice to indicate the sources (or at least the literature) from where the information about Land-Lease was obtained, in addition to the wonderful organ of the CPSU (b). On the Internet, in everyone's favorite Wikipedia, there is an interesting article on this topic: URL: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land-lease#SSSR (Date of access - today). I turned to this article a year ago, today it has not yet been rewritten by "admirers" of history and corresponds to an article a year ago.
The following picture appears on it: the USSR joined the Land-Lisa program in November 1941. This program itself was adopted by the US Congress in March 1941.
Negotiations of US Representatives with the Soviet Government on the First Delivery Protocol started on 07.12.1941but were delayed until December 28 due to US entry into the war with Japan.
Great Britain, even before the USSR was included in the supply program on October 11, 1941, transferred the first 20 British Matilda tanks through Arkhangelsk, which were urgently delivered to the front - near Moscow. (see: the website "Military Review". December 19, 2012: URL: https://topwar.ru/22247-tankovyy-lend-liz-velikobritaniya.html (Date of treatment - 07.07.19). It was a gesture of kind the will of the British government or common sense prevailed in Churchill's head, history is silent. Anyway, thanks to the British for that!
Thus, even this information, scarce by the standards of historical science, shows that the supply of military equipment and weapons to the USSR began when it became clear to many in the West and the United States that the German "Blitzkrieg" in Russia had failed, the war on the Eastern Front became protracted. , but Russia should help, and then we'll see ... Let me remind you that the counteroffensive of the Red Army near Moscow began on December 5, 1941, when american protocols... Interestingly, did our soldiers and commanders read them in the Pravda newspaper at that time, or were they busy with something else, attaching a bayonet to the Mosin rifle of the 1891/30 model in order to launch a bayonet attack on the Germans on that frosty December morning near Moscow?

[kalibr]

Quote: 1536

Just referring to the newspaper Pravda, it would be nice to indicate the sources (or at least the literature) from where the information about Land-Lease was obtained, in addition to the wonderful organ of the CPSU (b).

No literature! Practically ALL the figures are taken from the SOVIET GOVERNMENT REPORT from 11 June 1944 of the year. This material is valuable!

[nx1111nx]

It seems not a little, but considering that the modern largest bulk bulk carriers of the bulk carrier carry from 100 to 400 thousand tons of cargo, it turns out that in the first 18 months of the war, the United States delivered 1,1 million tons of cargo, like an average of 6 modern dry cargo vessels of the Capesize class . In conditions of total war, obviously not the main percentage of what is needed.

[kalibr]

Quote: nx1111nx

obviously not the main percentage of the required.

Do not judge rashly, the Gospel says!

[Trapperxnumx]

The saddest thing is when people, instead of comprehending information, start thinking in cliches. I have no words just to describe everything that happens in my soul, when you read, for example, "we paid for the lend-lease in blood" and other opuses (by the way, they answered that we were not mercenaries to pay with blood, we are for our country fought). Is it so hard to just stop and think about what was happening at that time?
Germany attacked our country, the enemy is eager for Moscow, Kiev, Leningrad ... Huge territories have been seized, resources prepared in advance have been partially spent, some have been lost ... the government is taking urgent measures to save the country ... And in this situation, they are turning to the USA England, etc. asking for help. With the request. We are to them. So that they help us ... To those whom a couple of months ago were stigmatized by the damned imperialists and called other bad words. And they helped. Could not help? They could, but they were businessmen and they knew for sure - if they didn’t help here and now then it MAYBLE have to solve this issue themselves ... But they could not help. That was THEIR right. And this very help was most opportune - tanks, trucks, airplanes, metals, petrochemicals, and gunpowder ...
And now they are beginning to scold them for this ... Why are you scolding? Because we asked them to help and they helped? For the trucks and armored personnel carriers on which we drove to Berlin on their own gasoline? For airplanes and aluminum, from which they themselves made? No, we persistently write in the comments about the Mongolian horses ... Mongolia is a wonderful ally, generous and selfless, without their help it would be very difficult. But would it be easier without Lend-Lease? Maybe, all the same, we will learn to be grateful allies and will respect the memory of our friends, even if they are no longer friends, but weren't those guys who died in the cold Arctic delivering vital cargoes our friends? Have they not perished for our country, having abandoned their warm California and Florida?
How are you not ashamed! After all, you are Russian? Or are you simply proclaimed zombies who do not have historical memory, conscience and honor?

[vladcub]

Trapper, it’s all about the established stereotypes of thinking and the work of different alternatives

[kalibr]

Quote: Trapper7

How are you not ashamed! After all, you are Russian? Or are you simply proclaimed zombies who do not have historical memory, conscience and honor?

They are ZOMBIES!

[vladcub]

Quote: kalibr

I do not understand how you can blame the mind for a person?

Everything happens in the world

[yehat]

Quote: Astra wild

rejection of the territorial conquests of 1939-40 and something else "excuse me, what did the Soviet Union give up? The Baltic states were part of the USSR until the very end

But nothing that the USSR did not conquer the Baltic states? Moreover, most of the army of these countries simply joined the Red Army. Finnish territory was conquered, but how did the Finns get it?
They simply squeezed all of Finland from Russia, and, by the way, these lands were bought under an international agreement by Russia.

[yehat]

Quote: Tlauicol

Dude thinks: let’s think about a hundred aircraft carriers to build

Firstly, most are escort, not Nimitz.
secondly, how much the USSR would have managed to build if the war had been on the border with Poland for 4 years
and no one would bomb anything.

[yehat]

Quote: Trapper7

To those whom a couple of months ago were stigmatized by the accursed imperialists

who branded this?
There was a very decent cooperation with the USA. The only problems were with England, which attacked in the 20s and through the Finns all 30s.

[Foxmara]

Quote: Amurets

It was possible to liberate Singapore from the Japanese only after the final defeat of Japan in World War II. "And our troops liberated the Crimea and Sevastopol a year before the end of the war on May 9, 1944.

That is, AFTER OUR troops removed the Kwantung army, forcing Japan to capitulate? I honestly am not surprised.
The only thing we heard was the battle for Britain, when Hitler sent part of his Air Force and here the British were at their best in the literal and figurative sense of the word.
There are also little-known "exploits" of the British in the Second World War. Fearing to lose influence in India, they staged a real famine there. It is a well-known fact, but for some reason the world community does not like to be sad about this in the same way as about the Holodomor of the USSR, which was not a real famine, but was a general disaster for the country.

[Aleksandr_68]

... army boots - 5.5 million pairs ...
I did not read further. Thank God I remember the stories of my grandfather about what and how they fought. And do not read Soviet newspapers before meals (c)

[Foxmara]

Quote: BlackMokona

they were burned in Czechoslovakia

read your edited post. not. I don’t think so.

[VVAU]

Thanks, very interesting.

[kalibr]

Quote: vladcub

Everything happens in the world

That is bad. But stupidity should not be!

[ABM]

"
And our people paid with BLOOD! And the lives of Soviet citizens. "


Then we fought for our own freedom and independence, we paid for it with blood, and not for American supplies!

[ABM]

Quote: naidas

The USSR did send various goods to the USA (including 320 thousand tons of chrome ore, 32 thousand tons of manganese ore, as well as gold, platinum, wood). This was done as part of the reverse Lend-Lease program. Https: //topwar.ru/1706-lend-liz-mify-i-realnost.html
This is the sinking in April 1942 of the British cruiser Edinburgh, which transported a valuable cargo of 5500 kg of gold from the USSR to Britain.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ленд-лиз

No, you are a little mistaken, this gold was not related to Lend-Lease, we were allowed to purchase weapons, in addition to Lend-Lease, at our discretion. And for his payment, this gold was delivered.

[ABM]

Quote: Beringovsky

Quote: Tlauicol

Hitler La Manche could not cross - what kind of America is he

Yeah, you won’t cross the English Channel on foot
But you can easily cross the ice of the Bering Strait.
And the Amer fleet could not prevent this in any way - the ice would not let us approach. And aviation will not help - there is a polar night in winter.

logistics;) it's more complicated than the English Channel. How to concentrate even a division there? on deer "we will go, we will rush ..."

[DDX]

The USSR quickly sold Lend-Lease to its citizens
http://vn-parabellum.com/su/airacobra.html

[Bibliographer]

The article is certainly interesting! BUT! The author forgot to add a few more numbers.
For example these.
Germany does not have any developed oil fields. Gemania received 60% of the oil used from Romanian fields. And she bought another 40% from “neutral” Spain. But the Spaniards also DO NOT have their own oil. She bought it from Standard Oil. And the best protection for American tankers in the first half of the 40s was the inscription on board in large letters - Standard Oil

[dummy]

If you delve further into the history of oil production in the 40s, you will discover even more amazing facts. Cir 60%/40% refers to used OIL. Find out about gasoline. So, 85% of Luftwaffe aviation gasoline was not made from oil! 80% of tanks used non-petroleum gasoline. The Kringsmarine mainly ate oil. Gasoline was produced by GA Farben using coal hydration technology. Since 1944, when the Anglo-Saxons began bombing chemical plants in Germany, most beer houses were transferred to the production of gasoline. The Germans didn’t make tanks with diesel engines, not because they were fools and couldn’t. Because diesel fuel required oil, and there was very little of it. Why this digression about oil? So AG Farben has been a division of Stsndard Oil since 1929. The Americans poured 200 billion dollars into it! And you say Lend Lease with a measly 4,9 billion!!! And German trucks are the most popular Opel Blitz. Since 1929, the Opel factories have belonged and still belong to General Motors!!! I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYONE IS WHINING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF LEND LISA AND IS COMPLETELY SILENT ABOUT THE GIANT MONEY AMERICANS PURCHASED INTO HITLER!!!!!! How could Germany maintain an army if its costs were 35% of GDP? Not the taxes that are collected, but the total sales volume in the country!!!! Only for loans! And who gave them in such quantities? Yes, the one who caused the Great Depression in the rest of the world and redirected capital to impoverished Germany. “War requires only three things: money, money and more money!” And Hitler probably found them in his nightstand?

[mat-vey]

Because diesel fuel required oil - from whom did it demand it? "Kogazin - II"?

[Spnsr]

An article from the series about the great and mighty United States, I pray for you and fall for you. You made it possible to defeat fascism with a large number of cars, almost comparable to the number we produce, but I can’t say anything about matatsykly, you are great and powerful, I trust in you..... The author of the top ones has grabbed it! In terms of real weapons, maybe air defense for the Navy was the only thing that was valuable, everything else is almost the same as toilet paper, okay, no, I’ll make do with newspaper. It’s good to pray in pi not to s tan, it’s better to do something useful! And first of all, it’s good to pray for pi n do s tan!!! All this “good” was paid for in gold and the lives of more than one generation!

[mat-vey]

“The fact is that back in August 1945, the UN adopted a program of assistance to such Soviet republics as Ukraine and Belarus.” - how interesting, even before the charter came into force .... and how it accepted it - retroactively, or verbally form?

[kalibr]

Quote: SpnSr

All this “good” was paid for in gold and the lives of more than one generation!

Good, Already, Rtsy, Az, Kako!

[hhhhhhh]

If the USA and Great Britain had not helped Hitler in the 30s, LendLease would not have been needed.
Cause and effect.