Are large calibers omnipotent?

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We conclude the article devoted to the struggle of shells of the most powerful calibers (420, 380 and 305-mm) with obstacles of various types based on the experience of fighting the Verdun fortress in 1915 — 1916 (see "Suitcase" against asylum ").

Are large calibers omnipotent?




General observations on projectiles of all three calibers


Blast and shake action

The explosion of the large shells discussed above was extremely strong.

In contrast to what is taking place in the open air, an explosion of these shells in a confined space, for example, in underground galleries of fortifications, formed an air wave propagating over a very long distance.



Indeed, the gases, expanding depending on the resistance of the walls, instantly filled all the available galleries and paths, and, penetrating into all adjacent rooms, produced various mechanical actions.

Thus, in one fort, an air wave from an explosion of an 420-mm projectile penetrated underground rooms through a staircase, tearing several doors along the way (one of them was thrown back to 8 meters). Having walked about 70 meters, this wave was still felt quite strongly, pushing people apart and squeezing them in the door - despite the fact that 7 had successive turns (of which 5 was at right angles) and many open messages with outside air (through windows and doors).

In one gallery, a wave made everything that was in the room: beds, earthen bags, tours, etc., made of all this a peculiar kind of carriage at the very end of the gallery, and carried 2's people there.



One telegraph post had an entrance in a long gallery located very far from the site of the explosion. But the airwave ripped out the door, pushing it flat against a wall and crushing a man trapped by it along the way.

The tremors, which were carried out by the blow and the explosion of these shells, were strongly felt by the defenders, even placed in underground galleries. Strongly shook the whole mass of the fort; sometimes, in some premises that did not hit the shells, rather deep frustrations - as was the case in the entrance corridor of the 75-mm tower - the discrepancy between the plates and the supporting walls and less important cracks.

Sometimes these bundles appeared in the supporting walls associated with the slab, slightly below the slab.

The impact of projectiles impact was much less reflected on large masses of concrete than on small ones: delamination and cracks were more noticeable, for example, on connecting galleries and there they increased faster from impacts than on parts of concrete barracks. Thus, large arrays resisted not only because of their large thickness, but also due to their large mass.


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In order to resist this deep shock, the foundations of the structures had to be very well installed and sufficiently deep, especially where an explosion under a wall or under the floor of a room could cause serious damage.

Undoubtedly, such a shaking caused landslides in two corridors of underground shelters of one of the forts, which occurred at different times, but in similar conditions. These corridors were pierced on 8 - 9 meters below ground level, in very dense marl mixed with limestone, and had brick support walls 0,65 m thick and 2,5 meter high in height and the same vaults 0,34 meter thick. Due to the impact and explosion of one 420-mm projectile (which gave a funnel about 10 meters in diameter and 5 meters in depth in a similar ground) the corresponding part of the arch was destroyed by “deep compression of the ground”: the ground around 3 meters was pressed under the vault and the corridor turned out to be littered with pieces of marl and stones.

It is clear, therefore, how important it is that the overlaps of deep galleries - even those pierced in the rock - should be well packed and have strong supports.



Action of gases

During the short-term bombardment, the garrison did not suffer from the action of high-explosive gas bombs, unless the bombs exploded in the premises occupied by the troops. A bomb that explodes in a residential area suffocates people with its poisonous gases, especially with poor ventilation.

During prolonged bombardments, ventilation is also necessary for underground shelters organized in mine galleries, since poisonous gases that penetrate deep into the soil could penetrate into these shelters due to their greater density, even through cracks in the rock.

Shelter overlap required the presence of a sufficiently thick slab about which the projectile would explode, from the 1 - 1,5 interlayer of a meter of sand and of the slab itself, which, depending on the importance of the structure, must be at least 2 meters thick.

The number of shells fired on the fortsIt was very different.

In 1915, 60 420-mm caliber shells fell on one of the forts and in its immediate vicinity, and by August 1916 had received about 30 such shells, about a hundred 305-mm bombs and a significant number of smaller caliber shells.

Another fort from February 26 to 10 July 1916 received 330 bombs 420-mm caliber and 4940 bombs of other calibers.



Another fort received 15000 bombs in just one day, and in the second for two months (from April 21 to June 22) about 33000 shells of various calibers fell. The third fort from 26 February to 11 April 1916 received 2460 shells of various calibers, including 250 bombs 420-mm caliber.

Resistance of forts to bombardment

If the forts were subjected only to medium bombardment (with shells of no more than 380-mm caliber), then their elements, which were not directly affected by the bombs, remained intact, as we will see below. Networks were damaged more or less severely, but still were some obstacle for the enemy.

Scarp and counter-escarp were partly destroyed, but the ditches could be fired from coffres and caponiers quite easily.

If the bombardment is more intense, and the shells reached 420-mm caliber, the networks were completely or partially destroyed. The ditches turned out to be more or less overwhelmed with debris from escarpes and counter-escarpes, so that the flanking could become quite difficult. The earthen embankments were completely destroyed, and the signs of the parapet around the parapet disappeared. However, it was possible to use the edge of the craters, which covered the parapet and parapet, to accommodate infantry and machine-gunners.

It is no longer possible to rely on non-concrete shelters. Some concrete structures also failed. The galleries leading to the counter-escarpment coffers were often overwhelmed, and a very important circumstance for further resistance was the supply of enough people in the trunks with enough ammunition, hand grenades, supplies and water.



The most important concrete structures, which had a large mass, suffered, in general, little. This fact is established by the example of large concrete barracks, reinforced concrete massifs surrounding the towers and other equivalent structures at all the forts of the Verdun fortress. So, despite hitting more than 40000 bombs of various calibers in the fort, the old powder magazine (which, after amplification, was of type 2) was still in good condition and was quite suitable for accommodating people.

Gun turrets until August, 1916 resisted large projectiles perfectly, and if the operation of some towers ceased due to the hit of projectiles, these towers could always be returned to the system in a short time.

Even after the strongest bombardments of the Verdun Fortifications, the concrete forts retained their value and, in particular, their active qualities.

During the six-month struggle in February - August 1916, between concrete and artillery, long-term fortifications - even the least solid ones - showed tremendous resistance to powerful modern projectiles.

The action of shells of very large caliber on the tower


According to the testimony of the defenders of Verdun, armor turret "resisted well."

Examples.

1) "Towers for 155-mm and 75-mm cannons in the above-mentioned fort (which from February 26 to 11 in April 1916 received 2460 shells, including 250-420-mm) are still shooting every day."

2) Although 26 February 1916, the enemy especially specifically directed his fire on them, and several times extremely methodically shot at them, not a single projectile hit the domes of the towers, but three 420-mm bombs hit the 155-mm tower’s concrete avant-bone. . An array of reinforced concrete surrounding the armor cracked, and the tangled bunches of iron reinforcement from the concrete were exposed. Despite this, the tower acted well, and slight jamming was present only in certain positions.

One earlier fact also confirms these guidelines.

In February, 1915 X. 420-mm projectile landed in a reinforced concrete array surrounding the armor of the 155-mm turret, and refused. The hit point is an 1,5 meter from the outer circumference of the avanicrase. The shell bounced off and fell close - into the courtyard of the fort.

On a circular surface (with a diameter of up to 1,5 meters), a whole forest of tangled reinforcement rose; the concrete was damaged, but not crushed. The tower was wedged, but it, in general, was not damaged.

During 24 hours it was possible to repair and re-enter it.

So, forts, fortifications, armored batteries and other strongholds of Verdun, which the defenders had to keep in their hands, by all means, even in a dilapidated form, served as safe havens for the defenders of the fortress and facilitated the repulse of German attacks.

The powerful modern artillery was not able to make these structures unsuitable for defense.

Of course, the results of this unprecedented struggle depended to a large extent on the success of the actions of the French artillery, which did not allow German guns to smash the fortress with impunity. However, the effects of the bombing were weakened by the following circumstances.

1) The relative bursting charge in the German bombs was, on the whole, small, as can be seen from the tablet below; even for a 420-mm howitzer, a septum bomb was initially adopted, containing only 11,4% explosive. Later, they became convinced of the uselessness of this partition and introduced a new projectile weighing 795 kg, containing 137 kg (17,2%) of the explosive. French sources do not note the difference in the action of these two types of projectiles, - which were undoubtedly used for the bombardment of Verdun, since the introduction of new projectiles is marked by documents relating to this period.

V. Rdultovsky determines for each projectile the approximate volumes of the craters by the average of the sizes given in the text and, by dividing the volume of the crater by the weight of the explosive, calculates the amount of earth emitted by the unit of weight of this charge - in cubic meters. meters on 1 kg and in cubic meters feet on 1 Russian pound - as was customary in the Russian artillery. To calculate the volume of the craters, he uses the following empirical formula derived on the basis of measurements of a large number of funnels in different soils, where D1 and D2 are the largest and smallest diameters of the funnel, h is its depth, V is the volume. In this case, D1 = D2.



At the end of the table are information about the projectile to the 370-mm French mortar syst. Filloux, in its ballistic data similar to German 305-mm mortars; the relative charge in this bomb was three times greater than in similar German shells.

Judging by the data in this table, it can be considered that the slowdown in the operation of the 420-mm bombs detonator was well chosen; their sensitivity was insufficient - as they gave quite a lot of failures.

380-mm projectiles, on average, gave satisfactory funnels, but often the volume of the funnels did not exceed the 12 cube. meters These projectiles had detonators without delay and acted on earthen mounds not uniformly; and when hit in concrete structures exploded almost at the moment of impact; even when they entered civilian houses, they only destroyed the upper floors. Therefore, we can assume that their enormous strength (the initial speed reached 940 meters per second) and the large bursting charge were not adequately used.

The explosive charge in 305-mm bombs, in a relatively large number of French positions used in the shelling, was obviously insufficient.

2) The number of the largest shells hit the forts turned out to be less significant than could have been supposed.

3) The fact noted by the French is noteworthy: during the six-month struggle in the Verdun positions there was not a single hit of large projectiles in the domes or in the ring armor of the gun turrets, although the Germans repeatedly and methodologically conducted fire on the latter. It is understandable that the towers, under this condition, withstood the bombardment of "good."

But carefully organized experiments showed that the towers of the same types as those installed in the French fortresses suffered greatly from hitting the dome or even 280-mm projectiles in the ring armor. Thus, the noted successful resistance of the towers should be largely attributed not to the strength of their design, but to the difficulty of getting, in combat conditions, to their most vulnerable parts.

It is possible that the results of the bombing would have been different if more 420-mm bombs had been used, and the disadvantages noted above were eliminated.
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  1. +8
    23 July 2019 18: 15
    Hmm ... back in the time of Peter the Great, there were theories in Europe that fortresses were no longer needed - the new artillery would not leave stone unturned from them.
    As it turned out, you just need to build the "right" fortress))
    1. +6
      23 July 2019 18: 16
      Quote: lucul
      As it turned out, you just need to build the "right" fortress))

      The fight of the spear and shield does not end once
      1. 0
        23 July 2019 19: 37
        Rather a struggle of "minds"
      2. 0
        23 July 2019 22: 40
        But what about hippies, all people are brothers, vegetarians, except Hitler, etc.?

        The problem is not in the spear and shield, but in the aggressiveness of the people themselves.
    2. +18
      23 July 2019 18: 19
      Quote: lucul
      As it turned out, you just need to build the "right" fortress))

      As it turned out, you need to get around them correctly.
      1. +6
        23 July 2019 18: 31
        Quote: Spade
        As it turned out, you need to get around them correctly.

        Not only, but also to know how and where to hit them ... That the Germans are with the lines "Maginot", "Stalin" and "Molotov", that ours are with the line "Mannerheim"
        1. 0
          23 July 2019 19: 36
          In my opinion, it is somewhat incorrect.
          1. +2
            23 July 2019 19: 37
            Quote: Evil Echo
            In my opinion, it is somewhat incorrect.

            Let me ask, why?
            1. 0
              23 July 2019 19: 39
              Well, somewhere there is a detour, but somewhere it was "broken", perhaps I am mistaken, but I perceive it this way.
              1. +3
                23 July 2019 19: 42
                Quote: Evil Echo
                Well, somewhere there is a detour, but somewhere it was "broken", perhaps I am mistaken, but I perceive it this way.

                Bypass bypass, but nevertheless all these lines were hacked. Where on a narrow front, where everywhere
                1. +3
                  23 July 2019 19: 49
                  There is no doubt about this unequivocally. Any fortress or defensive line is strong by the people defending it, the Brest Fortress is a confirmation of this.
                  1. +3
                    23 July 2019 19: 53
                    Quote: Evil Echo
                    The Brest Fortress is a confirmation of this.

                    Unfortunately, but this example is not a rational use of the capabilities of this old fortress ...
                    1. 0
                      23 July 2019 21: 00
                      Wow, how do you judge from the sofa. Apparently, when you did not have this?
                      1. +14
                        23 July 2019 21: 46
                        Quote: Evil Echo
                        Wow, how do you judge from the sofa. Apparently, when you did not have this?

                        We are not evaluating fiction here, about the fellow soldiers, but a fait accompli. And he is such that the German shock movement could not stop this defense, and our troops, captured in the fortress in the first minutes of the war, could not leave it and take up the defense according to plans covering the border, which is why not covered sections were formed in the defense.
                        And I'm not going to dispute the heroism of people in a very difficult situation.
                      2. -1
                        23 July 2019 23: 11
                        ... a fait accompli. But he is such that the defense of the shocking German groups could not stop this defense, and our troops, caught in the fortress in the first minutes of the war, could not leave it and take up the defense according to plans for covering the border

                        Well, they couldn’t leave and take it, yes, that’s what they delayed the promotion of, holding down a part of the advancing troops (and not a small one) there is also a fact, so to speak, accomplished.
                      3. +4
                        24 July 2019 05: 45
                        Quote: Evil Echo
                        fettered part of the advancing troops (and not small) is also a fact, so to speak, a fait accompli.

                        One infantry division from Austria? That's not a lot. Moreover, it is not tank or motorized
                      4. -1
                        24 July 2019 09: 46
                        Rave. At VO there was an article devoted to the defense of the Brest Fortress.
                        “The soldiers and officers of the Red Army were forced to take battle where they were at the beginning of the war, for many of them the Brest Fortress became a grave. At the cost of their lives, they for a long time pinned down the German 45th Infantry Division, which also suffered heavy losses and did not was able to take part in the encirclement battle near Volkovysk. "
                      5. +1
                        25 July 2019 15: 33
                        Quote: Evil Echo
                        Brad.

                        I agree that what you have just written really looks like "nonsense"
                        Quote: Evil Echo
                        At the cost of their lives, they pinned down the German 45th Infantry Division for a long time, which also suffered heavy losses and could not take part in the encirclement battle near Volkovysk. "

                        In general, the irretrievable losses of the 45th division of the Wehrmacht, without taking into account the loss of dowry units, amounted to 514 people (R. Aliev. Sturm of the Brest Fortress). One cannot attribute such losses to particularly severe ones.
                        And even her non-participation was not saved from the German capture of Minsk on the fifth day and the encirclement of our troops in the Bialystok ledge.
                      6. 0
                        25 July 2019 20: 34
                        The total losses of the Germans in the Brest Fortress were 1197 people, including 87 Wehrmacht officers on the Eastern Front for the first week of the war (Wikipedia).
                        And with regard to the capture of Minsk and other tragic events of the beginning of the war, it can be said in another way - the defenders of not only the Brest Fortress, but also of all the borders of the Motherland, having detained the enemy for a day, hour, minute, created the opportunity to stop and subsequently defeat the united army of Europe.
                      7. 0
                        26 July 2019 03: 17
                        Quote: Evil Echo
                        The total losses of the Germans in the Brest Fortress were 1197 people, including 87 Wehrmacht officers on the Eastern Front for the first week of the war (Wikipedia).

                        Forgive me, but where did the all-knowing Vicki get these numbers? Here is the loss data for 45 PD

                        From 22 June to 1 August 1941, 491 people died in this division.
                      8. -1
                        26 July 2019 10: 16
                        That 524, then 491 .... What do you want to convince me? The meaning of my comment, to which you are responding so zealously, was completely different. And you, out of habit, begin to "juggle" the facts, leading to the side, because of which the beginning of the conversation is lost. Feels like "school".
                      9. 0
                        26 July 2019 20: 08
                        Quote: Evil Echo
                        Either 524, then 491 ....

                        For different periods.
                        Quote: Evil Echo
                        And you, out of habit, begin to "juggle" the facts, leading to the side, because of which the beginning of the conversation is lost. Feels like "school"

                        I would be glad if you finally felt that the presence of such a fortification as the Brest Fortress did not play with the Red Army in its favor.
                  2. 0
                    24 July 2019 03: 19
                    Quote: Evil Echo
                    There is no doubt about this unequivocally. Any fortress or defensive line is strong by the people defending it, the Brest Fortress is a confirmation of this.

                    But they built solidly.
                2. +1
                  23 July 2019 20: 30
                  So what? UR-way to strengthen the defense or increase the width of the defense front without losing combat capability. One of the elements of the battle formation, for example, the Maginot Line, fulfilled its task from and to, the problem of the French is that they did not pay enough attention to the development of mobile units / formations and sent most of the troops to the line of the Dil River.
                  1. -1
                    23 July 2019 21: 54
                    Quote: strannik1985
                    One of the elements of the battle formation, for example, the "Maginot Line" fulfilled its task inside and out,

                    No, this line did not fulfill its main task, since it failed to prevent the complete defeat of France and its ally, England, during 40 days, from the moment the German troops launched the offensive. So the Germans were able to break through it.
                    At the breakthrough site, the Germans managed to shoot French fortifications, without a response, 88-mm anti-aircraft guns
                    1. +2
                      23 July 2019 22: 28
                      fortresses have largely lost the effectiveness of resistance since the appearance of heavy tanks and anti-ballistic artillery self-propelled guns capable of firing at embrasures, etc.
                      that is, since the appearance of HF tanks and so on
                      if with impunity they fired from anti-aircraft guns - they defended the fortress poorly, did not organize proper fire resistance
                      1. +1
                        26 July 2019 11: 48
                        Quote: Andrey Shmelev
                        fortresses have largely lost the effectiveness of resistance since the advent of heavy tanks and anti-ballistic armored sau
                        This is final. And it all started with long-range large-caliber artillery and, almost ended, with heavy bombers.
                        It's about "brick" forts. Concrete, buried in the ground, resisted until the appearance of concrete-piercing bombs (and anti-bunker bombs as the pinnacle of development).
                    2. +2
                      24 July 2019 02: 42
                      This is the task of all the armed forces of France and the BES, and not of a separate Maginot Line. Its main task was to direct the German offensive through the countries of Belgium, which was done. The fact that the French miscalculated with the Ardennes does not apply to the "LM".
                      1. -2
                        24 July 2019 05: 43
                        Quote: strannik1985
                        The fact that the French miscalculated with the Ardennes does not apply to the "LM".

                        Even how it relates ... Almost the entire army was sitting underground when the Germans captured the country
                      2. +3
                        24 July 2019 14: 51
                        In total, there were 13 settlement divisions of the serf units, everything else could attack and defend (147 against 136 German). The question is why in front of the 19th divisions of Army Group, Ts. Leeb was sitting in the defense of 49 allied divisions purely political.
                    3. 0
                      25 July 2019 13: 09
                      Sergey, I certainly understand that you are special, etc. , but apparently you do not quite understand the purpose of any fortified area, incl. and fortresses! Do you think that the Maginot line would have fulfilled its task if France had survived, forgive this utter nonsense! The task of any URA is to delay progress and exhaust the enemy’s forces in their direction, even at the cost of their lives, and 70% -80% of fortress defenders, They considered themselves full-fledged suicide bombers, and if the fortress was surrounded, which most often happened, then the chances of survival were zero!
                      1. 0
                        25 July 2019 15: 42
                        Quote: igorka357
                        Do you think that the Maginot line would have fulfilled its task if France had survived, forgive this utter nonsense!

                        Do you even understand what you just said? Yes, I think so and so did all the French military when they designed and built this line, precisely so that France would not only survive, but also defeat Germany in a possible armed confrontation. Or do you think that this line was built in order for France to lose that war?
                        Quote: igorka357
                        The task of any UR is to delay progress and exhaust the strength of the enemy in their direction, even at the cost of their lives, and 70% -80% of the defenders of the fortresses considered themselves full-fledged suicide bombers, and if the fortress was surrounded, which most often happened, then the chances of survival were zero!

                        This is only part of the tasks assigned to the URs, as well as to any other defense, and the main one is: "to repel the enemy's offensive, inflicting the maximum possible defeat on him in manpower and equipment" . "
                  2. +3
                    23 July 2019 23: 47
                    Quote: strannik1985
                    the problem of the French is that they did not pay enough attention to the development of mobile connections / associations

                    Here, as if you are either digging money into the ground in the form of a defensive line, or you are developing mobile units, or you have cheat on infinite resources.
                    1. 0
                      24 July 2019 02: 48
                      Most of the construction of the LM was completed by 1936. By this year, the French had one tank division, in July 1937 they began to form a second. Who stopped to attend to mobile connections from 1936 to 1939?
      2. 0
        23 July 2019 20: 36
        Quote: Spade
        As it turned out, you need to get around them correctly.

        As it turned out, you need to get on them correctly. To not zero out of 12000. :)
        1. 0
          24 July 2019 07: 34
          Why hit them? How many shots did the Germans fire at the Maginot Line?
          Rather, "to get on them" ... as to Fort Eben-Enamel.
          In short, it's all about flexibility. And the "fortresses" and "lines" have not been able to recoup the expended forces and means.
    3. +1
      23 July 2019 18: 43
      Quote: lucul
      Hmm ... back in the time of Peter the Great, there were theories in Europe that fortresses were no longer needed - the new artillery would not leave stone unturned from them.
      As it turned out, you just need to build the "right" fortress))

      Sergey Nikolaevich Golubov

      When fortresses don't give up

      ... The crown of life is a feat.

      Engels Part I

      Woe to the state, which is in the hands of the capitalists, these are people without patriotism, without any lofty feelings.

      Belinsky
    4. 0
      23 July 2019 19: 05
      there is such a profession; military engineer, and it is not for us amateurs to judge the work of these spetsov.Karbyshev as an example to them from the "cradle" not of offense, but in valor. and engineers, I think the National Guard, will give a head start.
  2. +2
    23 July 2019 19: 24
    There are no such fortresses in the world that the working people, the Bolsheviks, could not take. We didn’t take such fortresses in our struggle with the bourgeoisie
  3. -2
    23 July 2019 19: 26
    in such a caliber it’s not bad to push a charge and khan to concrete
    1. +1
      24 July 2019 03: 25
      Quote: bmv04636
      in such a caliber it’s not bad to push a charge and khan to concrete

      152 mm is sufficient for this. caliber
  4. +2
    23 July 2019 19: 35
    Even became scary when reading ...
    1. +2
      23 July 2019 23: 52
      Quote: Evil Echo
      Even became scary when reading ...

      Yeah. You sit, such, at a telegraph post deep underground, working as a key. And here the devil knows where, for a hundred meters of a broken corridor a shell explodes from you - and r-time! - You have already been smeared with a door torn from the hinges on the wall ...
      1. -1
        24 July 2019 00: 34
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        Quote: Evil Echo
        Even became scary when reading ...

        Yeah. You sit, such, at a telegraph post deep underground, working as a key. And here the devil knows where, for a hundred meters of a broken corridor a shell explodes from you - and r-time! - You have already been smeared with a door torn from the hinges on the wall ...

        terminator 5-6-7? I wouldn’t choke tea in caponier with YaU ... and they taught ... sit drink tea ....
        1. 0
          24 July 2019 00: 36
          Have you read an article or has it come?
      2. +1
        24 July 2019 03: 26
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        You sit, such, at a telegraph post deep underground, working as a key. And here the devil knows where, for a hundred meters of a broken corridor a shell explodes from you - and r-time! - You have already been smeared with a door torn from the hinges on the wall ...

        Conclusion: do not sit in front of the door lol
  5. +4
    23 July 2019 21: 02
    A very interesting work of military specialist V. Rdultovsky is considered in these articles. It is noticeable that the engineer critically and comprehensively considers the issue of fortified Verdun forts.
    Thanks to the author of the publication for a good and useful find in the archive.
  6. +8
    23 July 2019 22: 09
    The material is rare and interesting. The article certainly turned out. Thanks to the author!
  7. +7
    23 July 2019 22: 30
    As all the same, everything is interconnected, and the result of artillery actions on the fortress directly depends on whether there is a blockade or not, whether the fortress interacts with field troops or not.
    Osovets and Verdun avoided the blockade and kept even under Big Bert's fire (even a couple of them were killed near Osovets), while Mobezh and Novogeorgievsk fell into the blockade and were shot by Bert.
    It is not surprising - the fortress in the blockade is shot almost like at a training ground, and the isolation is complete (it is more convenient to work with blocking artillery) and the resistance is reduced
  8. +2
    24 July 2019 06: 18
    Large Suitcases turned out to be 95% omnipotent. Besides Verdun, all other European fortresses, being imposed on all sides, fell after the bombing.
    Liege lasted 12 days, Namur 6 days, Maubeuge 10 days, Antwerp 12 days, Kovna 10 days, Novogeorgievsk (!) 9 days.
    The moral factor of the defenders, especially in the Russian fortresses, was the influence of Osovets!
    1. +5
      24 July 2019 10: 32
      [quote] [In addition to Verdun, all other European fortresses, being overlaid on all sides, fell after the bombardment. / quote]
      What are we talking about! Being overlaid on all sides.
      But Verdun, which was not overlaid on all sides and integrated into the defense of field forces, survived. And then by the way, many of its forts fell, and then the French recaptured their ruins.
      As Osovets and Ivangorod, who were also integrated into the defense of the army, survived in due time. The moral factor is only one of the factors.
  9. +2
    24 July 2019 07: 22
    For fortress stability, it is important that the fighting spirit was like that of the defenders of the Breta fortress.
  10. +5
    24 July 2019 11: 20
    Yes, large calibers are far from omnipotent. And for this, certain prerequisites are needed.
    Thanks for the informative material!
  11. 0
    29 July 2019 08: 07
    named in the debate on the topic, the fortresses were bombarded and shelling, shells and bombs of various calibers. That is, they worked on them from distances beyond the bounds of serfdom. But could the fortresses generally respond to these attacks and fire not at infantry and tanks, but at artillery and reserves, did they have decent air defense, did the Air Force cover them at all?
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