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Egypt, your ... democracy!

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“PACE welcomes the election of the first civic president in Egypt as a result of elections, which are generally considered to be free and fair and which open up the country's transition to democracy” ... This is a resolution. This very PACE ... Do not subtract, not add. This is a diagnosis.

The Egyptian election of the “first civic president” is in fact some kind of carnival mockery at all the humanitarian and democratic banalities that have accompanied the entire process of the notorious “Arab spring” in a torrential stream. First, all real leaders are withdrawn from the elections, even Islamists, or liberas. In the process of presidential elections, the newly elected parliament is forcefully dispersed, and the military junta appropriates all conceivable and inconceivable legislative, executive, and judicial powers. As subtly noted in the same PACE resolution, “the dissolution of parliament emphasized the results of the first parliamentary elections ... which are generally considered free and fair.” Surprising near: some free and fair elections crossed out the results of other free and fair elections. Involuntarily recall the Ukrainian third round of 2005. That's how thorny he is, the path to democracy. Egyptian.

At the same time, the elections are won by two seemingly opposite candidates. Moreover, it is not technically possible to determine which of them really won, since the scale of falsifications is many times greater than any possible difference in the percentage given for each of them. The four-day delay allegedly in the counting of votes modestly covers the process of backstage negotiations. Transactions that resulted in the wise decision to award the victory to a candidate whose supporters sharply outnumber opponents in the degree of likely violence. I think it was not without the good advice of the Washington curator: they, who were busy with organizing the Syrian massacre, now just did not have enough Egyptian massacre. At the same time, there is no doubt that the candidate has demonstrated due humility, as evidenced by his immediate exit from the Muslim Brotherhood that raised him.

It is necessary to have clinical naivety in order to assume that the military elite, who directly control the 40% of the Egyptian economy, will simply give up power on the basis of some kind of elections and some kind of “revolution”. Real revolutions do not give power, real revolutions take power. Physically destroying the old power elite. Here I cannot deny myself the pleasure of citing one more quotation from a resolution adopted by humanitarian morons from the PACE: “There is a need to reassure the participants of the revolutionary movement who fear the appropriation of revolution goals by the military, on the one hand, and Islamists, on the other. So they "calm down". On the one hand, and on the other. Will correct, so to speak, the revolutionary-democratic necessity.

Now, when the wind of the “Arab spring” ruffles the curls of our “marsh” revolutionaries, it is very funny to once again observe the fruits of the modern world revolutionary process. Allah be with them, with the Arabs: Serbia, Georgia, Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan - all the victims of the process are unhappy in their own way. One thing unites them: these are no revolutions, because they initially did not expect any change of elites. These are elite coups, the meaning of which is the marginalization of the national state, the liberation of elites from the remains of state control at the cost of putting the country under direct external control. Real sovereignty in the modern world is actually an endangered thing, but here we are witnessing the elimination of the already secondary and tertiary signs of statehood. An ideal example of the triumph of the goals and objectives of the “color revolution” is the current Ukraine of Yanukovych, where power is the result of a public deal between oligarchic clans: any horny Square can show with a finger who is in the government whose boy. Or a girl.

Exceptions from this democratic harmony can only be the cases of the transition of pseudo-revolution to its present open form, not provided for by the “flower” procedure. When the ensuing chaos is stopped by the establishment of the most brutal revolutionary dictatorship. By type of Iranian, Taliban. Or Soviet. After which the curly revolutionaries began to groan, which again did not fit, the next evil Lenin broke the rosy prospects of good Kerensky. How the gypsy taught the horse to eat nothing. Taught It is a pity - died.

The meaning of this fable is simple. All present and future история "Color" and "non-color revolutions" demonstrates one thing. From the point of view of the ruling elite, there is no fundamental difference in the type of government. Monarchy, dictatorship, liberal democracy is only one or another way of reproducing the power of the current elite. In each era, in each culture, traditions and circumstances, one of them is the most effective and adequate.

If the elites are wrong, it may not end for them, because the alternative to reproducing the power of the existing elites is revolution, that is, the extermination of the old elite and the replacement of it with a new one. This is the only significant political difference. The elites playing in the “revolution”, especially in the not completely gutta-percha states, take great risks. This is worth thinking about. Curly head. While she is on her shoulders.
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  1. nokki
    nokki 2 July 2012 07: 33
    +12
    This is a diagnosis.
    "Egyptian force!" - as a character of one popular TV series likes to say. If you sow tares, thorns will sprout. There will be no good fruit from a bad tree. Even the ancients knew this. The mania with which the Americans are "seeding" is striking! This is downright satanic obsession!
    1. Gamdlislyam
      Gamdlislyam 2 July 2012 08: 10
      +9
      Everything is very simple. Americans act in accordance with an ancient rule of government: "divide and rule“It’s bad, poor, but in the second half of the 20th century, the Arabs began to slowly find a common language among themselves, especially if it concerned their common interests. The Americans began to show a fig from time to time. So the Americans and their Western allies decided to follow the biblical covenant, as in the construction of the tower of Babel.
      The leaders who have come to power for a long time will have headaches about strengthening their power in the fight against rivals. Therefore, for a long time they will not be up to general Arab solidarity. They will now be forced to do what they are told from across the ocean to stay in power ..
      1. Winter
        Winter 2 July 2012 10: 40
        +9
        PACE is like that, clowning, they take bribes from them. Someone will remember them later. And the goal of all democratic transformations is extremely simple - to set off the rivals according to the Libyan-Syrian scenario. Let Egypt destroy each other as a whole state. Half a dozen small puppet Egyptians are much more preferable. !
        1. The Shrew
          The Shrew 2 July 2012 10: 54
          +9
          Quote: Winter
          . Half a dozen little puppet Egyptians where as preferable

          Which then can be completely taken over and cleaned of the local color that has become superfluous. And then, following the example of the ancients, explore the territory with new Roman legions!
      2. ab
        ab 2 July 2012 13: 23
        +4
        Quote: Gamdlislyam
        Thin, poor, but the Arabs began to slowly find a common language among themselves in the second half of the 20th century, especially if it concerned their common interests.

        neither bad nor poor. The contradictions between them only intensified. Just look at Iran-Saudi Arabia. Iraq-Iran, Syria-Lag, Qatar-Libya. Yes, and even a sea of ​​examples.
        Quote: Gamdlislyam
        The Americans began to show a fig from time to time.

        Well, in fact, the entire Arab world (with the exception of Syria and Iran (by the way they are not Arabs), showed the fig of Russia. America’s influence has not diminished. The Arab world is ruled by Saudi Arabia, the Gulf countries and Egypt (about which at this stage you can forget a little about K. booth in the country, and after the grandmothers they all the same run to the Saudis) All countries are allies of the United States.

        Quote: Gamdlislyam
        The leaders who have come to power for a long time will have headaches about strengthening their power in the fight against rivals. Therefore, for a long time they will not be up to general Arab solidarity.

        Somehow it’s somewhat contrary to your statement -
        Quote: Gamdlislyam
        Thin, poor, but the Arabs began to slowly find a common language among themselves in the second half of the 20th century, especially if it concerned their common interests.


        Quote: Gamdlislyam
        They will now be forced to do what they are told from across the ocean to stay in power ..

        Those. in general, nothing has changed. In general, it is surprising that Russia, like the entire Soviet Union, supported the bombing of Libya. She did not take direct part in the conflict, but due to her incomprehensible policy and lack of understanding of what was happening, she managed (being before that one of Libya's best friends) to be almost the main enemy. How this happened probably only Lavrov knows. At the same time, America, which bombed Libya and has been its enemy for at least 30 years, is now friends. This is how international politics should be conducted, there is something to learn.
      3. Ilyich
        Ilyich 3 July 2012 01: 06
        0
        Quote: Gamdlislyam
        Americans act according to the ancient rule of government: divide and conquer. Badly, poorly, but in the second half of the 20th century, the Arabs began to slowly find a common language with each other, especially if it concerned their common interests. Americans began to show a fig from time to time. So the Americans and their Western allies decided to act according to the biblical covenant, as in the construction of the tower of Babel.

        They were already divided up to the point that they no longer had enough hands. To rule. Soon they are divided up to the point that there aren’t enough legs. To run away. fool
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 2 July 2012 07: 48
    +10
    Of course, the military will not want to give up power, but even the Islamists haven’t done a finger. How it all ends in Egypt, God alone knows, but it will be fun, it is definitely. Now, just overthrow Mubarak and live like people. I would like to ask some who overthrew him — that you don’t live beautifully — silence will be the answer. With them only on socks and that's enough.
    1. Goga
      Goga 2 July 2012 08: 19
      +8
      Alexander Romanov - Greetings, Alexander! M. Leontyev wrote correctly - this whole circus is just a change of scenery and all these "Islamists" and "military" will very quickly divide the tops and the roots to some. And to whom it is certain that nothing will fall from this, except for complete impoverishment, it is the morons who yelled at the Egyptian "Maidan". Has the life of the "Maidans" in Ukraine improved a lot? What, yelled and healed beautifully? Not at all - completely different people have healed "beautifully", the same in Egypt. Well, okay there - the guys are semi-literate, dark, where they whistle there and run ... and what about our "hamsters"? It seems as if from the "educated", but in the same place - that's for sure - on strangers (Ukrainian, Egyptian, etc.) mistakes our "hamsters" are not given to learn - "tyamy" is no more than from an illiterate Egyptian bichugan ... wassat
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 July 2012 08: 24
        +5
        Hello to you Igor! As for quickly sharing, I strongly doubt that no one wants to lose power. And power is a lot of money, and where there is a lot of money, there is a lot of blood. In another, the Arabs will vryatli.
        1. Goga
          Goga 2 July 2012 08: 42
          +2
          Alexander Romanov - they’ve already divided it up, faster than I thought - but whether this separation is a long time - God knows ... most likely you are right and there will still be blood ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 2 July 2012 08: 51
            +6
            Igor, they divided the power, but they will begin to share the money when forming the budget. And then all the cats will begin. Prepare bags for corpses - sounds great, but 19 doesn't seem to be split in half
            1. The Shrew
              The Shrew 2 July 2012 10: 55
              +7
              Alexander Romanov,
              Why are there bags? You won’t manage to dump trucks here!
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 2 July 2012 09: 02
        +5
        Quote: Gogh
        What, yelled and healed beautifully? Not at all - completely different people have healed "beautifully", the same in Egypt. Well, okay there - the guys are semi-literate, dark, where they whistle there and run ... and what about our "hamsters"? It seems as if from the "educated", but in the same place - that's for sure - on the mistakes of others (Ukrainian, Egyptian, etc.) our "hamsters" are not given to learn - "tyamy" is no more than that of an illiterate Egyptian bichugan ...

        - Well said, Goga. Here is just an offensive clarification about those beautiful people who will heal beautifully as a result of such "pseudo-revolutions". For some reason, they think that they are their own, those who will come to power as a result of these shocks. No, the most offensive thing is that these guys live overseas and live, in general, and now they are not bad at all. And the one who gained power in the shaken state is just a puppet. If not, of course. Ayatollah Khomeini - he was like this in Iran - he is just one of those. But the scam comes out sideways. Is about to go sideways to Iran. And what makes it angry most of all is that in 17 there was a project in Russia, the executors of which were the Trotsky and Kerensky. It also went wrong, from where a non-kosher type, a native of the city of Gori, entered these ranks, who turned everything completely according to the wrong project. So soon a hundred years will pass, and these guys from across the ocean will not stop at all, everyone is trying to bring that disastrous project to life. We managed to destroy the USSR, we were just a stone's throw away in the 90s, and again a slight rollback. In general, everything is clear here. They won't lag behind. Never. And there is only one way to calmly heal - just soak them all. It looks like this is coming.
        1. ole
          ole 2 July 2012 09: 33
          +4
          Su * and play, play, and the people die and drink too much, so that in order to pour money into the IMF, roads were built.
        2. scrack
          scrack 2 July 2012 10: 58
          +2
          The only question is how to soak them.
        3. Goga
          Goga 3 July 2012 05: 22
          0
          aksakal - Colleague, you have written everything correctly, and whoever considers himself a "puppeteer" is generally known - that is what I had in mind when I wrote - "completely different people".
          Even the names of the banking houses have not changed, either in 1905, or in 1917, or in 1991 .... And you wrote very correctly - with all the "thoughtfulness" of their plans, with all the might of the forces and means directed to the implementation of these plans - they always have a "failure" somewhere, as happened with IS. Indeed, "they" continue to fight with IS and with the dead, for me it is as an indicator - if a person obssesses IS - everything - this frame works for their "system".
          - quote - "They will not lag behind. Never" - this is so, but about "wetting" it is very problematic (for various reasons), but this "system", theoretically, initially has a tendency to self-destruction (a snake biting its own tail) and there are already signs of such a development of events - the only trouble is that in a place with them these personnel can ditch half of the planet ...
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 2 July 2012 10: 17
      +2
      Alexander Romanov - You answered the question of what will happen in the first words. The variant is unambiguously obtained - "military Islamists". The Americans are counting on the "a la Pakistan" option, the Muslim brothers - on something "a la Iran," and promising the kafirs to leave the party is not a problem for the president. The result will be a military dictatorship under the sensitive and clear leadership of the "spiritual leaders of the Tahrir revolution." There is no world under the pyramids. Who will now rest in Hurghada and Sharm el-Sheikh and control the Suez Canal? It seems to me that Israel's head hurts the most. To consolidate in power such an elite will need to turn the attention of the people to the "external threat of rrrevolution." Something like "The Muslim Fatherland is in danger, brothers, all to Sinai!" A favorite and cherished "controlled chaos theory" in action.
  3. igor67
    igor67 2 July 2012 07: 48
    +3
    A day after the inauguration, the new President of Egypt, Mohammad Morsi, signed an agreement on the separation of powers with the country's Supreme Military Council, the local newspaper Al-Masri al-Yom writes.

    Isam Hadad, Presidential Aide to Mursi, said that according to the agreements reached with the generals, the army itself will deal with its budget, as well as the country's internal problems. However, they will not interfere with the work of the committee working on the constitution.

    A senior source told the newspaper that, in all likelihood, the portfolios of the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will go to the Muslim Brotherhood, but they, in turn, will keep their distance from the affairs of the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Justice.
    1. The centurion
      The centurion 2 July 2012 08: 03
      +3
      Quote: igor67
      Mursi concluded an agreement on the separation of powers with the Supreme Military Council of the country,

      Dual power is always short-lived, someone will have to win.
      1. igor67
        igor67 2 July 2012 08: 12
        +2
        The centurion,
        then they’ll go to Tahrir Square again, I don’t understand why the amers fuck Egypt to the Islamists? Yesterday someone wrote correctly that with such a military budget, a concrete mess is needed to justify
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 July 2012 08: 33
          +3
          igor67Amer in Syria also support Islamists, and not only in Syria. Wherever the Arb spring has passed, Islamists come to power. But what for amers, this is of course a question, perhaps the stabilization will force Europe to spend more on armaments, as NATO budgets are reduced. Perhaps creating a new force, hoping that it will be controlled. In short, there are many options.
          1. The Shrew
            The Shrew 2 July 2012 11: 00
            +7
            Alexander Romanov,
            And if the goal of the amers is to make Europe fight! Two World Wars in the Old World made America a superpower, the third will bring it out of the crisis, and with big profits.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 2 July 2012 12: 24
              +2
              Also likely scenario
          2. Guun
            Guun 2 July 2012 12: 40
            +3
            My assumption is that America, seeing the weakness of NATO (Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.), that in the event of a serious war (Russia, China, India), the forces of Europeans will be defeated (NATO is now informancial soldiers). The USA is looking for a replacement for its weak ally, create the Caliphate led by Saudi Arabia. This policy will be implemented for 50-60 years, and the result will be serious. Iran from its nuclear program greatly interferes with this plan (if Iran has a nuclear weapon the Caliphate may not succeed). China is fighting with the amers for the riches of Africa , Russia is rearranging and is petty but even so trying not to let the US plan turn into reality. In the case of the construction of the Caliphate, those states that will join them in Central Asia (Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and so on in 50-60 years in case of the Caliphate becoming 2025). For America, this is a two-edged sword. I myself am a Muslim and it hurts me to pass in the Middle East (civilians who just want to live quietly die). Most Sunnis fight in Syria t in Assad’s armies and the same population support him, if Assad falls they will drown in blood.
      2. alexng
        alexng 2 July 2012 09: 13
        +1
        The centurion, the fact that two bears in one den will not get along - do not go to the grandmother. We now see only the first part of the play called "The absurdity of the unipolar world." Further it will be more interesting and more insane, because the United States will try to keep the role of the first violin in this country. But since the United States is acting very rudely, there will be a multitude of connections, which can only be called moronicism. Although in the Arab world everything is possible: a mule will tell you to kill yourself against the wall, and then everyone will start ramming an innocent structure.
  4. teplal
    teplal 2 July 2012 08: 00
    +1
    It is curious how the pase will be explained not by the legitimacy of the elected president, if he gets out of control. The East is a dark matter ...
    1. igor67
      igor67 2 July 2012 08: 02
      +3
      teplal,
      First, Morsi quit the Muslim Brotherhood, stating that he was going to be the president of all Egyptians. Secondly, he is publicly promised to comply with all international treatiesthat Egypt concluded. Thirdly, he called a fake interview with the Iranian agency Fars News Agency, in which the new Egyptian president allegedly intends to restore relations with Tehran. Fourth, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is expected to visit Cairo in the near future. And finally, the Supreme Military Council retained the right, not the head of state, to declare war, as well as appoint and remove commanders-in-chief. The Supreme Military Council, apparently, is not going to stop its activities under the rule of Mursi.
      1. teplal
        teplal 2 July 2012 08: 05
        0
        We will see ... winked
    2. The Shrew
      The Shrew 2 July 2012 11: 03
      +6
      Quote: teplal
      It is curious how the pase will be explained not by the legitimacy of the elected president, if he gets out of control.

      No way! Just replace some talkers with others and all the short life! So to speak, a new broom and new garbage!
  5. pribolt
    pribolt 2 July 2012 08: 14
    +2
    It remains to see where this "crap" will lead Egypt ...
    1. The Shrew
      The Shrew 2 July 2012 11: 05
      +7
      Quote: pribolt
      It remains to see where this "crap" will lead Egypt ...

      To Libya! They all have a script there - one road!
  6. wolverine7778
    wolverine7778 2 July 2012 08: 33
    +2
    The "Muslim Brotherhood" have long wanted power in Egypt, they took it, then it is necessary to rule Egypt, to restore order in the economy. So there will be a real opportunity to show the people who is better than Mubarak or the "Muslim Brotherhood" yes
    1. igor67
      igor67 2 July 2012 08: 54
      0
      wolverine7778,
      Quote: wolverine7778
      to show the people who is better than Mubarak or "Muslim Brotherhood"

      and where they get the money, Mubarek was sitting on an American needle.
      1. wolverine7778
        wolverine7778 2 July 2012 09: 39
        0
        igor67 (1)
        and where will they get the money
        Saudi Arabia will borrow money if that, well, they themselves will plow)))
      2. scrack
        scrack 2 July 2012 11: 08
        0
        Oil will begin to bank
  7. Igarr
    Igarr 2 July 2012 09: 01
    +2
    Bastard from these Egyptians.
    The internal affairs of the state are the Military Council. Okay.
    Foreign Ministry portfolio - "Muslim Brotherhood". Okay.
    Ahhhhhh ... ahhh ... why the hell is the President then?
    Wedding general?
    With the US Secretary of State ... say hello?

    Strong .. guys. Nothing to say.
    Pharaohs, pyramids ..... k-heh.
  8. igor67
    igor67 2 July 2012 09: 58
    +2
    Lawyer Yitzhak Molho, plenipotentiary of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, secretly visited Egypt, where he met with newly elected President Muhammad Mursi, Egyptian intelligence chief Murad Muafi, and possibly General Tantawi.

    The Maariv newspaper claims that during the meetings, the parties discussed issues of further cooperation in the field of security and the possibility of expanding economic cooperation. The situation on the Sinai Peninsula was also discussed.

    The Maariv newspaper writes that Netanyahu's special envoy said that Jerusalem is categorically opposed to making any changes to the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt.

    Note that earlier the Israeli media reported that last week Benjamin Netanyahu sent a secret dispatch to the leader of the Islamic Muslim Brotherhood Party Muhammad Mursi, in which he congratulated him on his victory, and also expressed the hope that Mursi intends to abide by the peace agreement with Israel.
  9. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 2 July 2012 10: 31
    +1
    "Surprising next: some free and fair elections canceled out the results of other free and fair elections"
    but in the end, they put people on cancer (as in the photo)
  10. Cadet787
    Cadet787 2 July 2012 11: 06
    +2
    The infamous Pase organization has revealed its democratic face, recognizing the violation of freedoms as the norm of democracy. We need to get out of this semi-fascist organization of homosexuals.
  11. escobar
    escobar 2 July 2012 11: 23
    -2
    After the Orange Revolution, new channels appeared that express, reveal an alternative point of view on political, ecology and other events. There is criticism of the current clan and its majors, crimes and criminal transactions. And before the above events there was a complete Communist Party. Freedom of speech is + orange (unfortunately only in this, although this is a very worthy conquest).
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 3 July 2012 10: 58
      0
      Freedom is when a person has state-guaranteed housing, work and the future of his children! And not when he can yell anything at the squares, and at the same time be afraid to lose his job, shake for the future of his children, and I generally keep quiet about free housing! Thank you orange ept!
  12. DEfindER
    DEfindER 2 July 2012 12: 20
    +3
    Egypt was a good country, a rich history, many cultural and religious values ​​.. And now I’m afraid the Christian church will start to burn, like the headquarters of Shafiq, a civil war will begin, because Christians there are more than a dozen million .. And the Islamists promised to demolish the pyramids, not to mention the pearl of the Egyptian Cairo Museum .. after all, these righteous Muslims who were driven to the square and who express the interests, God forbid 1% of the population, will now be decided for the entire 70 million egypt how can he live .. And if something isn’t up to rebel again .. they had to be dispersed for a long time, it's a pity Mubarak didn’t have enough spirit ...
    But there is no need to look for those interested in destroying world culture for a long time, it must be those who have not had this culture and never had it, well, except for the McDonald's, and valiant victories over the local Indian tribes ..
  13. IRBIS
    IRBIS 2 July 2012 12: 51
    +3
    Yes, something after Ramses the Second has some garbage with rulers ... They forgot how to build the pyramids, they just scurry around and scream. It seems to me that they will still remember Mubarak with a kind word. Oh, remember!
    1. nokki
      nokki 2 July 2012 16: 36
      +1
      Of course they will! How we now remember Leonid Ilyich! Recently, my youngest daughter (22 years old), after passing the next session, said: "Did you really go to exams only with bouquets of flowers? I wish I could live in this" damned stagnant "time!"