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C-500 "Prometheus" will go into service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the near future

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Already in the foreseeable future, the newest C-500 Prometheus air defense system will be put into service with the Russian army.


C-500 "Prometheus" will go into service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the near future


This was announced by Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, whose words lead RIA News. He visited the Army-2019 forum, where he made an important statement.

Formerly, Russian Defense Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu stressed that the delivery of new C-500 air defense systems to units and formations of the Russian Armed Forces will begin in 2020, but now it is possible that this will happen earlier.

The preliminary tests of C-500, according to Deputy Prime Minister Borisov, were carried out successfully. Therefore, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation decided to reduce the time it takes to start deliveries of new air defense systems to the troops.

As is known, the C-500 anti-aircraft missile system has no analogues in the world. While she passes further tests that will reveal all her combat capabilities.

The C-500 anti-aircraft missile system is designed for 25 years of operation. In the coming years, it is intended to become a new primary, used by the Russian armed forces.

Earlier in Turkey stated that they are ready to engage in cooperation on the creation of C-500 with Russia.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 25 June 2019 19: 15
    +15
    Already in the foreseeable future, the newest C-500 Prometheus air defense system will be put into service with the Russian army.

    What a joy for mattresses. fellow Well, our PKO (anti-space defense) in a compartment with Nudol will become more meaningful.
    Earlier in Turkey stated that they are ready to engage in cooperation on the creation of C-500 with Russia.

    For the time being, I think it’s not worth sending Prometheus ... let all customers eat Triumph. And to the treasury money and we are less hassle.
    1. Egorovich
      Egorovich 25 June 2019 19: 23
      +14
      Class !!! For a long time there was no such news, with an offset in the execution of the order to the left, and not to the right. Well done!
      1. WILL
        WILL 25 June 2019 19: 28
        +24
        Chatting - not carrying bags! Will do - we will tear accordions! Need a complex. Very .... in turbulent times. Only Turks Why do we need for cooperation?
        1. bayard
          bayard 25 June 2019 21: 45
          +6
          He is for the Turks for greater importance, functionally he is redundant to them. It is predominantly an anti-ballistic missile system, against RSD and ICBMs. And air targets, in order to shoot them down at such a distance, must fly at an altitude of 20 kilometers and above. Aim at an altitude of 10 km. rises above the radio horizon at a distance of 400 km. and for such capabilities, the S-400 is more than enough.
          But promising hypersonic devices will just fly at an altitude of about 30 km. , here for them the S-500 is imprisoned. Well, of course, on ballistic goals.
          So it turned out that the adversary does not yet have hypersonic missiles, and the air defense / missile defense systems are almost ready for them.
          In practice, this is because they are ready and tested in practice (S-400 and S-500).
      2. Feofun
        Feofun 25 June 2019 19: 39
        +3
        You just forgot ...

        "The troops of the East Kazakhstan region have high hopes for this promising air defense system. As the Almaz-Antey design bureau, the developer of the complex, said earlier, in 2017-2018 the S-500 will begin to enter the Russian army."
        https://topwar.ru/42435-kak-budet-vyglyadet-s-500.html

        Well, yes, remember the epic with 40H6?
      3. lucul
        lucul 25 June 2019 19: 54
        -1
        For a long time there was no such news, with an offset in the execution of the order to the left, and not to the right.

        Yeah. And how the enemy planes (pilots) of the AWACS will be delighted with this news, do not pass it at all))))
        S-500 will completely turn them off from the battle))))
        1. rayruav
          rayruav 25 June 2019 20: 52
          0
          vital, but if on the contrary, you did not think about the development of electronic warfare in the West
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 25 June 2019 21: 15
            +8
            Quote: rayruav
            vital, but if on the contrary, you did not think about the development of electronic warfare in the West

            Our EW technologies at 15-20 are ahead of the mattress years. This is also recognized by the mattress generals.
            1. Feofun
              Feofun 25 June 2019 21: 24
              -7
              Can the names and quotes of the words of these generals, with links to the English-language original? And an indication of the specific technologies in which our electronic warfare technologies are ahead of the US. For example, perhaps the main technology of electronic warfare of the last decade, DRFM, does not sound like a typical domestic abbreviation. And the first electronic warfare systems with it were by no means the first to appear here.
              1. poquello
                poquello 25 June 2019 21: 49
                +3
                Quote: FeoFUN
                Can the names and quotes of the words of these generals, with links to the English-language original?

                Masha can be for Lyashka, how can the words of foreign generals be able to confirm or deny something? oh yes, this is top-secret bourgeois technology, so top-secret that they are not shown to anyone and they are not even told about them)))))
                1. Feofun
                  Feofun 25 June 2019 22: 01
                  -8
                  The question was not addressed to you, but to the one who apparently believes these generals ... unless of course they really exist. So get hungry.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 25 June 2019 23: 26
                    +1
                    Quote: FeoFUN
                    The question was not addressed to you

                    naturally, only the essence of the doubts of the entire audience
              2. NEXUS
                NEXUS 25 June 2019 21: 56
                +4
                Quote: FeoFUN
                Can the names and quotes of the words of these generals

                Immediately after the drones attacked the Russian airbase in the US Congress, leading American EW expert retired General Don Bacon said that US forces were lagging behind Russia in the development of electronic warfare troops. According to the military analyst, the doctrine of the use of electronic warfare by Americans is morally obsolete. Also, the reason for the lag of the Americans in this area was the fact that they could not make high-tech breakthroughs in the electronic war, exclusively engaged in the modernization of old weapons.

                As a result, according to Bacon, the Pentagon will not be able to effectively use its systems against the Russian army, since the main means of electronic warfare, including Air Compass Call, Navy Prowler aircraft and even modern EC-С130 and EA-18 Growler, will not be able to approach the distance applications - they are too vulnerable for Russian long-range air defense systems

                In 2016, US Air Force General Bridlov admitted that the Pentagon had neglected electronic warfare over the past two decades, allowing the Kremlin to seize the edge. When Russia dramatically increased its presence in Syria in 2015, Lieutenant General Edward Cardon said the United States "did not achieve the pace of progress (in the field of electronic warfare) that today's realities require." In the same year, it became clear to the US military that Russian investment in electronic warfare systems would allow it to go far ahead in this area.

                Next, dig yourself ... a little busy now.
                1. Feofun
                  Feofun 25 June 2019 22: 14
                  -12
                  Ah, The National Interest of Dima Simes, so beloved for reprints by our media, and retired Brigadier General Donald Jay. Bacon, and even in "Rabinovich's rewrite" in Russian ...

                  Lord, do you really think that someone else is going on these TNI ravings ?!

                  And you modestly kept silent about something specific.
                  1. Nastia makarova
                    Nastia makarova 26 June 2019 07: 29
                    +2
                    american losers in eb
                2. WIKI
                  WIKI 25 June 2019 23: 31
                  0
                  “Even though the drones used in Syria were 'rudimentary,'” McDermott said https://breakingdefense.com/2018/02/electronic-warfare-trumps-cyber-for-deterring-russia/ RUDIMENTARY - rudimentary. not fully developed.
              3. Alexey Sommer
                Alexey Sommer 25 June 2019 23: 04
                -2
                Quote: FeoFUN
                Can the names and quotes of the words of these generals

                https://rg.ru/2018/07/31/amerikanskij-oficer-pozhalovalsia-na-rossijskie-kompleksy-reb-v-sirii.html
                I found it in one minute.
                1. Feofun
                  Feofun 25 June 2019 23: 16
                  -9
                  I myself have found these "rewrites of Rabinovich". But here's what I asked, in fact: "Can the names and quotes of the words of these generals, with links to the English original?“And yes, with their words, in the original, about“ the lag of their electronic warfare technologies by 15-20 years. ”There is nothing like that in the originals. That is, this is another example of the so-called lies, which have already been many.

                  In this regard, the question: People writing on the blue eye, such a lie - themselves ******? Or are they holding others for idiots?
                  1. kenvas
                    kenvas 26 June 2019 01: 23
                    0
                    https://www.c4isrnet.com/electronic-warfare/2019/03/14/heres-how-other-nations-measure-up-in-electronic-warfare/
                    https://thedefensepost.com/2018/05/01/russia-syria-electronic-warfare/
                    https://warisboring.com/to-exploit-u-s-gaps-russia-preps-for-electronic-warfare/
                    1. vasilii
                      vasilii 26 June 2019 03: 42
                      +1
                      According to the first link, Russia is listed on the same list as Iran and North Korea, not the most, frankly, technically advanced powers.

                      On the second link: The US is not getting the message, however, because no one in the US military believes Russia is actually capable of jamming advanced drones and missiles, according to Valeriano.

                      The third link contains a reprint from a pro-Russian propaganda site, in the code of which is a Yandex metric counter, i.e. made in Russia.

                      Not impressive, in a word. To be honest, I honestly do not understand how anyone can believe that, without a competitive microelectronic industry, Russia can have competitive troops based entirely on the products of this industry. This is contrary to logic. And no need to talk about ingenuity, all discoveries in signal processing and cryptography - the mathematical basis for working with radio waves in technical systems - also come in the bulk from Western institutions. The "Russian hackers" scary to the world are somehow more specialists in phishing emails than in cryptography.
                      1. knyf
                        knyf 26 June 2019 09: 26
                        +1
                        You just can not imagine what EW.
                      2. vasilii
                        vasilii 26 June 2019 09: 37
                        0
                        It is possible, but by profession I deal with digital signal processing, including noise filtering.
                      3. kenvas
                        kenvas 26 June 2019 21: 27
                        +1
                        https://www.newsweek.com/russia-attacking-us-forces-electronic-weapons-syria-daily-general-says-900461
                        https://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-steadily-cultivating-electronic-warfare-u-s-nato-lag-behind/
                        https://www.unian.info/world/10209930-russia-tests-electronic-warfare-tools-on-u-s-troops-in-syria.html
                      4. vasilii
                        vasilii 27 June 2019 00: 52
                        0
                        These links are much better, thanks.
                2. WIKI
                  WIKI 25 June 2019 23: 40
                  -2
                  In particular, one of the commanders of the US Army, Colonel Brian Sullivan, noted that when his unit was deployed in northeastern Syria from September 2017 to 2018, he was faced with an "environment overloaded with electronic warfare."

                  “We faced a number of problems that we were able to successfully cope with, and this gave us the opportunity to work in conditions that cannot be reproduced at home, including in our combat training centers,” Sullivan said.



                  Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2456616.htm I found this in one minute.
                  1. Feofun
                    Feofun 26 June 2019 00: 33
                    -3
                    I don’t understand, you all not only do not speak English, but also Russian ?!
                    "You can name and quote the words of these generals, with links to the English original? "And yes, with their words, in the original, about "the lag of their electronic warfare technologies by 15-20 years". The originals are nothing of the kind. That is, this is another example of the so-called lies, which have already been many.
              4. Grits
                Grits 26 June 2019 14: 09
                0
                Quote: FeoFUN
                Can the names and quotes of the words of these generals, with links to the English-language original?

                That is, for you the authorities are only bourgeois generals? Well, yes ... the most honest, educated and incorruptible.
            2. Memphis
              Memphis 26 June 2019 00: 26
              -3
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: rayruav
              vital, but if on the contrary, you did not think about the development of electronic warfare in the West

              Our EW technologies at 15-20 are ahead of the mattress years. This is also recognized by the mattress generals.

              factories for the production of components have lagged behind for 30 years, no one has been selling dual-use equipment, but all of a sudden the FSE is ahead of the reb, which should be built on the basis of the brand, ahead of the next 20 .... fairy tales are certainly good, but you live in peace unicorns if you think so.
              1. poquello
                poquello 26 June 2019 01: 09
                0
                Quote: Memfis
                component plants for 30 years so behind

                Well, this is not true, slightly obsolete in circuitry are riveted in almost every city, and custom-made defense industry - so in general, and do not confuse the household series, the Chinese, by the way, 7 rolled out the nano for release, but how are things with the bourgeois? some of the electronic warfare achievements were demonstrated at 14m, and what do the bourgeois (with incomprehensible effectiveness) repeat them at 19m?
                1. Feofun
                  Feofun 26 June 2019 01: 26
                  -1
                  1) The Chinese did not roll out any "7 nano".
                  2) Our "defense industry" is completely dependent on the import of technological lines from abroad, which are now not supplied due to sanctions. And when they were delivered, they were outdated used lines from the same AMD.
                  3) No one has demonstrated any hitherto unseen "EW achievements". Not in the 14th, not now. And even more so, no one repeated these fantasy achievements.
              2. knyf
                knyf 26 June 2019 09: 30
                +1
                In the garden elderberry, and Kiev uncle. At least read something about EW.
          2. lucul
            lucul 25 June 2019 21: 34
            0
            vital, but if on the contrary, you did not think about the development of electronic warfare in the West

            In the 60-70s, when there were still normal engineers there, I certainly would have taken into account this nuance in the first place. But now, when there is an engineer with a Bologna education system - this is unlikely.
            1. Memphis
              Memphis 26 June 2019 00: 30
              -6
              Quote: lucul
              vital, but if on the contrary, you did not think about the development of electronic warfare in the West

              In the 60-70s, when there were still normal engineers there, I certainly would have taken into account this nuance in the first place. But now, when there is an engineer with a Bologna education system - this is unlikely.

              What engineers of the same Intel didn’t come to your court?
              You just don’t know what you are writing about, have you ever been to the USA? What conferences did you participate in? Are you our expert? Who are you yourself?
          3. poquello
            poquello 25 June 2019 21: 50
            0
            Quote: rayruav
            vital, but if on the contrary, you did not think about the development of electronic warfare in the West

            ahem, about underdevelopment?
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 26 June 2019 00: 15
          -1
          Quote: lucul
          C-500 turn them off completely from combat

          Mdaaa ..... delight- "full pants"! The S-500 (like the S-400, S-300 ...) is just a "tool"! And how to use it correctly and skillfully depends on the people who "took it in their hands" ... It's ... like hammering nails with a hammer! There are craftsmen who hammer a nail into an inch board with one blow ... someone misses, and the other hits their fingers ... wink
        3. vasilii
          vasilii 26 June 2019 03: 47
          +1
          Quote: lucul
          S-500 will completely turn them off from the battle))))

          When for the last time they explained why the S-300 did not turn off anyone in Syria, the curvature of the Earth was mentioned among the reasons. Really could overcome it?
          1. sivuch
            sivuch 26 June 2019 10: 01
            -1
            Imagine - yes.
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 27 June 2019 07: 53
              -1
              Quote: vasilii
              Earth curvature. Really could overcome it?

              Quote: sivuch
              Imagine Yes

              How interesting)) Is it possible that the radiation of the SAM radar now propagates along a curve? lol Can you bend the laser beam? wassat
              1. sivuch
                sivuch 27 June 2019 08: 31
                0
                I look, you already know how to cheat (I, by the way, too). It remains to tighten the materiel.
                Overcame about the same as the Americans on the SM-6.
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 27 June 2019 08: 34
                  -1
                  Quote: sivuch
                  It remains to tighten the materiel

                  tighten, or faith does not allow you?
                  Quote: sivuch
                  about the same as the Americans on the SM-6

                  Are you for the active "head"? A rocket, what does it have to do with if the air defense missile system (any air defense system) detection radar does not see the target beyond the radio horizon?
                  1. sivuch
                    sivuch 27 June 2019 08: 41
                    0
                    Not mine, but your materiel. In addition to its own SOTSK air defense system / air defense system, there are other sources of radar data. And their accuracy is enough to bring the zur to the target area, where it will turn on its ARS GOS.
              2. poquello
                poquello 27 June 2019 18: 43
                0
                Quote: Gregory_45
                Quote: vasilii
                Earth curvature. Really could overcome it?

                Quote: sivuch
                Imagine Yes

                How interesting)) Is it possible that the radiation of the SAM radar now propagates along a curve? lol Can you bend the laser beam? wassat

                but didn’t you accidentally prove that 10km is not necessary for Cornet because of this curvature of yours? Yes, and the propagation of waves refresh something
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 27 June 2019 21: 05
                  -1
                  Quote: poquello
                  but didn’t you accidentally prove that 10km is not necessary for Cornet because of this curvature of yours?

                  You are another pervert. In the sense that you distort words. I talked about the fact that the range of visibility from ground armored vehicles, even under ideal conditions, does not exceed 5-6 km. This is really so - you can feel at least from your own experience, at least trust in the calculations.

                  It is not good to engage in forgery. It speaks of your recent mind.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 28 June 2019 00: 32
                    -1
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    In the sense that you distort words. I talked about the fact that the range of visibility from ground armored vehicles, even under ideal conditions, does not exceed 5-6 km.

                    do not flatter yourself, I remember someone buhtel, it turned out guessed))))))
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    This is really so - you can feel at least from your own experience

                    if I didn’t feel it - I wouldn’t argue, and as with Cornet - they are already using it and are happy, it smiles about 5-6 in ideal conditions
        4. Volk62
          Volk62 26 June 2019 05: 20
          0
          The S-500 will most likely turn off the GPS satellites, and without them, enemy aircraft (pilots) AWACS will wander around the taverns
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 26 June 2019 06: 40
            +1
            Quote: Volk62
            S-500 will soon turn off GPS satellites

            Are you out of your mind? Navigation satellites revolve around the Earth at an altitude of more 20 thousand kilometers.
            1. knyf
              knyf 26 June 2019 09: 34
              -1
              Another genius.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 26 June 2019 12: 10
                0
                Quote: knyf
                Another genius.

                A genius is not a genius, but I know how high the satellites of GPS and GLONASS systems fly.

                Marvel at:
                NAVSTAR (aka GPS) - an orbit with a height of about 20 km
                GLONASS - satellite orbits altitude 19 100 km

                Will you get the S-500 rocket? wassat
                1. knyf
                  knyf 27 June 2019 07: 48
                  -1
                  To temporarily "turn off" them, you do not need to bring them down. Interference is placed on the ground. And therefore no decryption is needed. By the way, an American professor writes that if earlier one graduate student could decipher military gps, now there will be one hundred students at different universities.
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 27 June 2019 07: 50
                    -1
                    Quote: knyf
                    To temporarily "turn off" them, you do not need to bring them down. Interference is placed on the ground.

                    Do you generally read comments that were answered?
                    Pay attention to:
                    Quote: Volk62
                    C-500 rather turn off satellites GPS

                    Why are you going to put GPS interference? SAM equipment? wassat
                    1. knyf
                      knyf 28 June 2019 04: 35
                      -1
                      Do not infringe your satellite)) The Skiff project will have to be revived.
      4. stalki
        stalki 25 June 2019 22: 24
        +1
        Class !!! For a long time there was no such news, with an offset in the execution of the order to the left, and not to the right. Well done!
        Even glasses are not necessary, it has already warmed up.
      5. Grits
        Grits 26 June 2019 14: 06
        +1
        Quote: Egorovich
        Class !!! For a long time there was no such news, with an offset in the execution of the order to the left, and not to the right. Well done!

        Something I also do not recall such changes in terms.
    2. Underwater hunter
      Underwater hunter 25 June 2019 19: 45
      -8
      Quote: NEXUS
      And to the treasury money and we are less hassle.

      The treasury is full of holes with us .. and all the hassle because of that ..
      1. kventinasd
        kventinasd 25 June 2019 20: 10
        -6
        Quote: Underwater Hunter
        The treasury is full of holes with us .. and all the hassle because of that ..

        Someone's head is full of holes, so the nerves are naughty.
    3. viralig
      viralig 25 June 2019 20: 01
      +1
      NEXUS (Andrey) I agree with you. First of all, we can provide ourselves with them, and only then we can think about export.
    4. bald
      bald 25 June 2019 20: 09
      0
      Hi, hi. Do not you feel that this is somehow wrong? I will not quote these preterm births. Yes, only in trials, such thoughts come from developers. Tests are underway - which means something needs to be added - and this is normal.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 June 2019 20: 22
        0
        Quote: bald
        Tests are underway - which means something needs to be added - and that's normal.

        Vladimir, I don’t know which individual put a minus to you, to a question on the topic ... therefore I correct the situation ... this time.
        Second ... about the question itself ...
        Quote: bald
        Do not you feel that this is somehow wrong?

        I do not see anything extraordinary in this. Developers can and are able to move deadlines to the left if they find a solution. And apparently in this case, the same version of events. Putting Prometheus into service is a matter of national security and, as I think, is supervised at the highest level. And this is financing and suppliers and organizational issues that are resolved much faster than when the project is not a priority.
        1. bald
          bald 26 June 2019 07: 38
          +1
          Priority is a difficult choice, I want everything at once, but the opportunity does not allow it. By the way, too, you, the proverbs of imperialism, slammed a minus - ghash, their mother is like that.
    5. NKT
      NKT 25 June 2019 21: 25
      +1
      Nexus, in your opinion, does it make sense to put Nudol on wheels or are we bound by a contract?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 June 2019 21: 59
        -1
        Quote: NKT
        Nexus, in your opinion, does it make sense to put Nudol on wheels or are we bound by a contract?

        No, it doesn’t ... there is Prometheus for the mobile version. And the A-235 is too cumbersome. How many missiles can the wheeled platform carry and what will it be? There are Amur mines, and with some modernization, Nudol will easily become the A-135. And of course the contract itself cannot be removed from the accounts ... although the mattresses are not negotiable. They violated almost all the contracts.
      2. Grits
        Grits 26 June 2019 14: 17
        +1
        Quote: NKT
        Nexus, in your opinion, does it make sense to put Nudol on wheels or are we bound by a contract?

        Have you seen Nudol on TV in a container that you drove to put in a mine before the test? I think no tractors will be enough. Although, the S-500 will most likely have only 2 missiles.
    6. private person
      private person 25 June 2019 21: 57
      0
      But interestingly, the S-400 was tested in real combat? Can anyone have any information?
      1. Grits
        Grits 26 June 2019 14: 18
        +2
        Quote: private person
        But interestingly, the S-400 was tested in real combat? Maybe someone has information

        I will tell you more. Even the S-300 has not been tested. Although, I would love to land the Jews. As a test of reliability.
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 June 2019 19: 29
    +3
    Comrade Borisov, it’s just that you don’t need to immediately survive the sale of the C500 over a hill! Moreover, this is a complex missile defense system! You must first make enough of them for yourself! !!
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2019 20: 01
      +4
      Over the hill exhibited special. option for export and do not be afraid of it.
      1. greenegro
        greenegro 25 June 2019 20: 25
        0
        And perhaps it will be remotely controlled from Russia if necessary. Like they said about the F-35.
        1. cniza
          cniza 25 June 2019 20: 49
          +1
          You can not talk about this, everyone understands, but they are cunning.
          1. poquello
            poquello 25 June 2019 21: 58
            +5
            Quote: cniza
            You can not talk about this, everyone understands, but they are cunning.

            but they didn’t grab our hand in such matters, and until that moment it was pure insinuations, but they caught the French and American cacti, ooh - excuse me not about us
            1. cniza
              cniza 25 June 2019 22: 01
              +1
              Did I really talk about us, we honestly have the letter E and that’s it ...
            2. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 26 June 2019 06: 43
              -1
              Quote: poquello
              but the French and America were caught

              what is it interesting on?
              1. poquello
                poquello 26 June 2019 20: 18
                -1
                Quote: Gregory_45
                Quote: poquello
                but the French and America were caught

                what is it interesting on?

                on electronic suppression of proprietary systems in the Hussein army
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 26 June 2019 20: 55
                  -1
                  Quote: poquello
                  on electronic suppression of proprietary systems in the Hussein army

                  more details, and from serious sources.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 26 June 2019 20: 57
                    +1
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    Quote: poquello
                    on electronic suppression of proprietary systems in the Hussein army

                    more details, and from serious sources.

                    and pay a lecture?
                    anti-aircraft guns Hawk and radar
                    1. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 27 June 2019 07: 55
                      -2
                      will you be so mean? Or do you need to write the same thing three times?
                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      moreand from serious sources.

                      Rumors, as you know, interest me little. Is there anything to back up your words?
                    2. sivuch
                      sivuch 27 June 2019 08: 27
                      +1
                      He will not pay for the lecture. I didn’t have time to make the trophy Hawks Iraqi, I can’t say anything about the radar, but about QARI ACS, yes, knowledgeable people said that at hour X it immediately and forever lost a significant part of the functionality. Naturally, there will be no links from the Internet. As regards II-I war and Storm in a glass, I refer to myself and I trust Skydron in this matter.
                      1. poquello
                        poquello 27 June 2019 18: 38
                        -1
                        Quote: sivuch
                        He will not pay for the lecture. I didn’t have time to make the trophy Hawks Iraqi, I can’t say anything about the radar, but about QARI ACS, yes, knowledgeable people said that at hour X it immediately and forever lost a significant part of the functionality. Naturally, there will be no links from the Internet. As regards II-I war and Storm in a glass, I refer to myself and I trust Skydron in this matter.

                        and I noticed for a long time that infa is getting washed up on the Internet, and things that at the time of their relevance were not questioned or refuted go out of the search altogether, and then after a few years such questions come up, but ...
                        According to foreign press reports, a computer “virus” developed by French specialists was introduced into a network of French-made Iraqi radars and disabled them. It is curious that the complex of measures of the American side on the electronic suppression of the Iraqi air defense system also provided for counteraction to the American Hawk anti-aircraft missiles captured by the Iraqi army in Kuwait. In this regard, the magazine "Yu. S. News and World Report wrote in one of his issues: “One of the reasons for the 5,5-month delay in US military operations against Iraq was that the United States tried to find ways to electronically suppress American Hawk anti-aircraft missiles ... e- reading.club
      2. poquello
        poquello 25 June 2019 21: 55
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        Over the hill exhibited special. option for export and do not be afraid of it.

        it’s still commercially wrong, the C400 gives customers serious advantages, you should not rush the market, especially since competitors even saw-saw before it
        1. cniza
          cniza 25 June 2019 22: 01
          0
          I agree, but the money is needed urgently ...
          1. poquello
            poquello 25 June 2019 23: 17
            +1
            Quote: cniza
            I agree, but the money is needed urgently ...

            yes is it money
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    1. lucul
      lucul 25 June 2019 19: 55
      +2
      So thick that as thin.

      Also happy for us? )))))
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        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 25 June 2019 20: 55
          +4
          Quote: FeoFUN
          TTX is unknown, the volume of purchases and specific terms - too.

          They asked them not to borrow. laughing
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            1. lucul
              lucul 25 June 2019 21: 37
              -5
              Judging by the number of brackets for each other printed character - it burns under you. However, your slipping into the last argument of babies and bots "burns" - only once again confirms my conclusions about you and your work in Lakhta.

              No, well, Haifa pleases me today more than ever)))
              In Minsk (on the forums) they write to me that I’m from Olgino, here I have already been christened that I am from Lakhta (s). )))))))
              1. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 26 June 2019 01: 00
                +2
                Quote: lucul
                they write that I am from Olgino, here I have already been christened that I am from Lakhta (s)

                And you specify from them: from which Lakhti? laughing Olgino and Konnaya Lakhta are located next door, on the northern bank of the "marquis puddle". Almost opposite, on the south side is the Black Lakhta. yes In general, everything is simple: the link for these alternatively gifted organisms is the Gazprom tower of Lakhta Center, which is located there.
                That is precisely why this narrow-minded people operates with terms such as "Lakhtinsky" or "Olginsky". These days they are like "Bolsheviks who overthrew the tsar" or "crazy machine gunners." Oh, yes, literally today was added about "nothingness in the trenches of atheists", because they were dragged to the holes. wassat
                1. lucul
                  lucul 26 June 2019 01: 47
                  -3
                  And you ask them: from which Lakhta? Olgino and Konnaya Lakhta are located nearby, on the northern bank of the "marquis puddle". Almost opposite, on the south side is the Black Lakhta.

                  Thank you, I will at least know.
                2. sivuch
                  sivuch 26 June 2019 10: 10
                  0
                  This is where is Black Lahti on the south coast of Finsal? My father had a site behind Lomonosov, so I know this branch from Leningrad to Izhora
                  1. Paranoid50
                    Paranoid50 26 June 2019 10: 40
                    0
                    Quote: sivuch
                    This is where such Black Lahti on the south coast of Finsal

                    Village in the area of ​​Krasnaya Gorka. hi
                    1. sivuch
                      sivuch 26 June 2019 12: 17
                      +1
                      Thank . This is for Swan winked I don’t know those edges.
        3. sabakina
          sabakina 25 June 2019 21: 09
          +1
          Well, everything is interesting to a person. TTX, volumes, terms .... What do you want to buy?
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            1. sabakina
              sabakina 25 June 2019 21: 19
              0
              Is it absurd? In "Kin Dza Dza" they found a way to return home. What is the problem?
              1. Feofun
                Feofun 25 June 2019 21: 29
                -6
                Yeah, from the planet of the absurd, just where they were forced to mindlessly "raaaadvatsya, raaaadovatsya ...".
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 25 June 2019 21: 19
            0
            Quote: sabakina
            . Do you want to buy something?

            Rather, our "good friends" run and give ... to Jews, Ukrainians or mattresses.
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        4. NEXUS
          NEXUS 25 June 2019 21: 18
          +1
          Quote: FeoFUN
          TTX is unknown, the volume of purchases and specific terms - too.

          You are such a naive Chukchi guy ... you right here these TTX and write for your expert analysis? It is clearly indicated that C-500 is a PKO complex, to which all these stealth-bumblebees are up to the bulb.
          1. Feofun
            Feofun 25 June 2019 21: 31
            -2
            Well, if the performance characteristics of the military vehicle are unknown - then why rejoice then ?! Specifically. I remember in 2007 I was happy when the S-400 was adopted. But then I still did not know that until 2018 she would serve with old missiles from three hundred, and she had as many target channels as three hundred. Well?! Sense of that joy thoughtless and not based on any specifics?

            There will be performance characteristics, at least of the export model, we will look and rejoice at the end ... or not, depends on the specific performance characteristics.
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 25 June 2019 22: 16
              -2
              Fedor, hi , Bunkin B.V. (constructor S-300, S-400) believed that the main thing in the air defense system is the operation algorithms and the ability to recognize approaching objects. He interpreted this EBN when the United States had a desire to buy the S-300. Personally, he gave the green light to the sale with the words (approximately): they need about 20 years to decrypt these algorithms and if the Chinese are attracted. It was in the late 90s. Agree that the SAM is not only a missile.
              1. Feofun
                Feofun 25 June 2019 22: 27
                -2
                Of course not only! This is half of the air defense system. And the other half of the air defense system is its radar, with the very "algorithms", as you put it. As for 20 years, it was enough, of course - mathematics is the same everywhere, just like physics.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 25 June 2019 22: 33
                  +1
                  He noted that it was not strange that the "component base" of electronics for staffs was too old and to figure it out, the Chinese had to be involved. I think this interview can be found on the Internet. I saw him (an interview about this) in the series "Impact Force".
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 25 June 2019 23: 37
                    -1
                    Quote: Kasym
                    "component base" of electronics for staffs is too old

                    but on quanta we’ll immediately get a serious margin, the main thing to forget is not to have time for this old one, well, not for long
                  2. Feofun
                    Feofun 26 June 2019 01: 48
                    -2
                    What, there is no diagnostic equipment in the USA ?! The technology of oscilloscopes, disassemblers and programmers is lost ?! Why attract the Chinese ?! The Americans did not intend to produce our S-300s, so the "old component base" is an argument from the "don't sew a mare's tail" series. Or what, they have Ohm's law there, and all the other basic laws of electrical engineering, stopped working ?! What kind of stories ??? Well, yes, it is not worth remembering "Carbon Power" in a decent society. It is not for nothing that this talking name stuck to this program, and even in the 2000s.

                    Lord, how many people have absurd myths in their heads ...
              2. poquello
                poquello 25 June 2019 23: 40
                0
                Quote: Kasym
                It was in the late 90s.

                everything is correct, after the tenth year the bourgeoisie had a semblance of three hundred in a petriot, probably they did not attract the Chinese - they still saw
            2. WIKI
              WIKI 25 June 2019 23: 57
              +1
              I support you, because I myself adhere to the position always to doubt everything.
              Charles Bukowski:
              "The problem with this world is that educated people are full of doubts, and id-ots are full of confidence."
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      2. WIKI
        WIKI 26 June 2019 00: 10
        -1
        "Only in Russia, not a single broadcast is complete without concluding words that the shown device (plane, ship) has no analogues." "Not a single TV channel in the world will allow itself this." https://topwar.ru/36795-ne-imeet-analogov.html
        1. Volk62
          Volk62 26 June 2019 05: 26
          +3
          You need to watch American programs, you will be surprised that they have all the weapons the most and others have batons with bows
  4. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 25 June 2019 19: 36
    0
    "Earlier in Turkey they announced that they are ready to join in cooperation on the creation of the S-500 with Russia" - and what are the Turks going to do about Mutlu batteries?
    1. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2019 20: 00
      +4
      Well, someone should build paths and keep them clean.
  5. bk316
    bk316 25 June 2019 19: 50
    0
    Earlier in Turkey stated that they are ready to engage in cooperation on the creation of C-500 with Russia.

    Where to join if it’s already going to the troops.
    No, let the s-400 be used, it's still better than a patriot.
    I didn't understand about the "base", we haven't completed the transition to the S-400 yet.
    Well, if you still have the same s-500 ....
    1. lucul
      lucul 25 June 2019 19: 59
      -4
      I didn't understand about the "base", we haven't completed the transition to the S-400 yet.
      Well, if you still have the same s-500 ....

      Moscow and important industrial centers and power plants will be closed immediately, and the S-400 will go around the country to change the S-300.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 25 June 2019 21: 05
        +1
        [quote = lucul] [quote] Moscow, and important industrial centers and power plants will be closed immediately, and the S-400 will go around the country to change the S-300. [/ Quote] I have not even observed the S-75 in the Kostroma region. Apparently, there is nothing to protect except the Kologrivsky reserve. So I'll die first ... laughing.
      2. bk316
        bk316 26 June 2019 12: 40
        0
        and the S-400 will go around the country to change the S-300.

        There are already 59 s-400 divisions throughout the countrybelay
    2. cniza
      cniza 25 June 2019 19: 59
      +5
      Therefore, we began to sell S-400 so actively.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 25 June 2019 20: 25
      +3
      Quote: bk316
      I didn't understand about the "base", we haven't completed the transition to the S-400 yet.

      In addition to C-400, we also have such an air defense system as C-300В4, which is not inferior to Triumph.
      1. kjhg
        kjhg 25 June 2019 20: 50
        +3
        Quote: NEXUS
        In addition to the C-400, we also have an air defense missile system like the C-300В4, which is not inferior to the Triumph

        Andrew, hi . And how many regiments of these same S-400V4 in the troops? A few years ago there was infa about the supply of 1 regiment. But then, 1 division from this regiment was redeployed to Tartus. I have not heard more about the delivery of this complex. Maybe they decided to upgrade the old S-300V to the latest version?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 25 June 2019 20: 57
          +1
          Quote: kjhg
          Maybe they decided to upgrade the old C-300B to the latest version?

          As Lieutenant-General Alexander Leonov, Commander of the Air Defense Forces of the Russian Federation, stated, by 2018, all C-300В anti-aircraft missile systems will be upgraded to the C-300В4 level.

          hi
      2. zyablik.olga
        zyablik.olga 26 June 2019 07: 51
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        In addition to the C-400, we also have an air defense missile system like the C-300В4, which is not inferior to the Triumph

        Andrei, hello! Please remind how many troops there are C-300B4, and how many C-300В were built at all?
    4. Feofun
      Feofun 25 June 2019 21: 41
      -6
      There is a suspicion that the S-500 is basically its S-400, with only 40N6 and new components of the RLC (primarily in terms of intercepting ballistic targets), which it was originally conceived by Lemansky, back at the turn of the 1990s / 2000s .
      1. bk316
        bk316 26 June 2019 12: 42
        0
        There is a suspicion

        Well, yes, if you replace missiles with an air defense system, radar systems and software, THERE ARE BASICALLY THEIR SAME belay
  6. cniza
    cniza 25 June 2019 19: 58
    +4
    Formerly, Russian Defense Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu stressed that the delivery of new C-500 air defense systems to units and formations of the Russian Armed Forces will begin in 2020, but now it is possible that this will happen earlier.


    This is a gift to all the spiteful critics, a surprise, so to speak.
  7. frizzy
    frizzy 25 June 2019 20: 06
    +1
    Zhirinovsky’s predictions come true !!! We are waiting for S-700,800 .... 1600.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 25 June 2019 21: 02
      0
      Quote: frizzy
      Zhirinovsky’s predictions come true !!! We are waiting for S-700,800 .... 1600.

      After C-700 will go T-800, T-1000 .... I don’t know who will reach the end ... request
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 25 June 2019 21: 55
        +2
        After C-700 will go T-800, T-1000 .... I don’t know who will reach the end ...


        John Connor
  8. rayruav
    rayruav 25 June 2019 20: 43
    -1
    it’s very necessary against the background of a quantitative and somewhere qualitative lag of our air forces (I don’t like these remodels either in uniform or in names) from NATO, air defense systems are cheaper than aviation although they are inferior in operational terms, it’s necessary to have dual unity on this front, that is, how there were air defense troops of the country where both missile defense and air defense
  9. Xusit
    Xusit 25 June 2019 20: 56
    -4
    This article is for liberals ... Rejoice and be exalted here with the Jews hi
  10. sabakina
    sabakina 25 June 2019 20: 59
    +1
    While she is undergoing further tests, which will reveal all her combat capabilities.
    The combat capabilities of the system can only be determined in combat conditions. So, as it is said in "The Dawns Here Are Quiet" - "there are no bushes nearby."
  11. kefan
    kefan 25 June 2019 21: 04
    +2
    Very good news, another splinter of adversaries.
  12. rruvim
    rruvim 25 June 2019 21: 14
    0
    We add the 400N40E missile for the S-6, here's the Prometheus 500 ...
    https://vk.com/video80456920_167138197
    1. Feofun
      Feofun 25 June 2019 21: 45
      -4
      Here about the same just wrote. Only 40H6, without E - with E is the export index.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 25 June 2019 21: 48
        -1
        I agree. Only this missile was intended for the 400th complex. Actually, for the sake of this rocket, the 300th and was upgraded to the 400th. But now they called him the 500th ... It's a shame ...
        1. Feofun
          Feofun 25 June 2019 21: 57
          -3
          Yes, I also somehow see this epic with 40Н6. Ashurbeyli swore that AA would launch it back in 2009, and that the military would take it into service. And every year he promised and promised, and the years went on and on. And even when he had already been kicked out of AA and removed from control over him, the new talking heads continued this fairy tale about the White Bull, which they say "here in the slate-eating goduuu, already soon ...". So 10 years flew by. And it seems that even the missile was adopted ... only no one saw it, and "on the way" to the series, it lost one of its two widely advertised "chips" - the transatmospheric interception.

          So, yes, then the run up to the ruble turned out, but the blow ... So if the S-400 was originally called S-300PM3, then it may turn out that the S-500 is S-300PM4, if we continue this logical chain.
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 25 June 2019 22: 05
            +1
            The director was fired at Avangard in Moscow. The plant was supposed to make these missiles, but there were problems with injectors and gaskets. And the director said that the 400 without this missile, the same S-300PM3, and that's it (against the background of the Turkish order). But a criminal case was opened against him. The new director from Almaz is everywhere bragging about the 500th ...
            1. Feofun
              Feofun 25 June 2019 23: 02
              -2
              But this is the first time I hear about it. However, even after the story of the gender genre Basalt Korenkov, who, like you did not relate to him, and gave Basalt more than 20 years old, replaced by the thieves and mediocre freak Rybas, I will not be surprised at anything.
              1. rruvim
                rruvim 25 June 2019 23: 04
                -1
                And on the “Vanguard” was replaced by Vedernikov. Top manager without engineering education ...
            2. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 26 June 2019 00: 36
              +2
              Quote: rruvim
              And the director declared that 400 without this rocket, the same C-300PM3, (on

              Well, what is so "terrible" about? The "popular" "Shell" was originally called "Tunguska-3"! The "creators" honestly say that the S-400 is a further development of the S-300 (like the S-500 is a further development of the S-400). So "sizit" - "made on the basis of ..." Does the S-400 differ from the S-300 only in the 40N6 missile? Well, well ... 40N6 has a significantly longer range of use, has a guidance system that is different from 48N6. To provide "space" for 40H6 there is a lot to be done .... and add and change. Radar - with a greater "range, detection algorithms, guidance - new ... if necessary, then the" hardware "changes in that part to ensure the normal operation of the software and guidance of the" new "missile in" new "conditions.
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 25 June 2019 21: 24
    0
    We also have normal systems, they just need to be made "smarter"! And this is the primary task, i.e. develop ELECTRONIC INDUSTRY !!!
    Nothing will stand still, and the means of attack jaunt forward oh how fast!
    Yes, even if you make the dome airtight, they will still invent a "corkscrew" to dig a hole!
    Conclusion - made an air defense missile, make a strike missile "smarter" in pursuit! Then they will be afraid to pick the dome!
  14. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 25 June 2019 21: 29
    0
    Before the revolution, they manage to arrange a release, so that it would be better to protect this very revolution from NATO vultures?
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 25 June 2019 21: 35
      -5
      When they bring down at least one F-16 Block 60 of Israel, then we will believe in the 500th ...
      1. lucul
        lucul 25 June 2019 22: 38
        -3
        When they bring down at least one F-16 Block 60 of Israel, then we will believe in the 500th ..

        Are you completely sorry for the pilots? )))
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 25 June 2019 22: 42
          -2
          He (not the pilots) will eject in advance, as soon as the Israeli "birch (MAWS)" reports the approach of the missile.
          1. lucul
            lucul 25 June 2019 22: 45
            -3
            He (not the pilots) will eject in advance, as soon as the Israeli "birch (MAWS)" reports the approach of the missile.

            Are you sure? )))
            All-angle, 360g? At what speed does the rocket approach? )))
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 25 June 2019 22: 55
              -1
              I did not fly on the F-16, I do not know. On the SU-27 shows the exposure to the radar in azimuth and power. You can understand where ... Homing missiles BB or ZV. MAWS defines the characteristics thoroughly, checking them against the data packet in memory. He will precisely determine the 48H6E missile ...
              1. lucul
                lucul 25 June 2019 23: 03
                -4
                MAWS defines the characteristics thoroughly, checking them against the data packet in memory.

                All that is needed is a rocket, which is not there in memory)))
                And when fighting there, prototypes are always tested.
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 26 June 2019 07: 26
                  0
                  MAWS systems are two-component: there is a radar that provides accurate estimated time before the collision and measurement of the direction of movement of the rocket to the aircraft.
                  Highly sensitive IR and UV sensors detecting the torch of a rocket engine (both at the time of launch and at the active site), as well as solar re-reflection from the body, temperature of the engine and nozzle of the SD.
                  The pilot will know that "in sight" as soon as the air defense missile system radar is taken for escort, the signal of a missile attack will pass immediately after the launch of the missile.
              2. rruvim
                rruvim 25 June 2019 23: 08
                -1
                Yes, I want to say that I did not fly live. Only on needle dynamics simulators.
            2. Feofun
              Feofun 25 June 2019 23: 07
              -1
              Damn, dude, you're so ignorant. I'm just amazed. You are not even familiar with the principle of operation of the open source software, which you gave out with your head, with your stupid question "What speed of approach of the missile is it triggered?"
              1. rruvim
                rruvim 25 June 2019 23: 13
                0
                I also agree. Open source software only works on IRRADIATION.
                1. Feofun
                  Feofun 25 June 2019 23: 32
                  -2
                  Only we will not tell him. He probably thinks that STRs operate on the principle of KAZ Doppler radars.

                  "Savages, sir." (from)

                  ZY And where are they only recruited? According to the ads in "From hand to hand", or what?
              2. lucul
                lucul 26 June 2019 00: 03
                -3
                Damn, dude, you're so ignorant. I'm just amazed. You are not even familiar with the principle of operation of the open source software, which you gave out with your head, with your stupid question "What speed of approach of the missile is it triggered?"

                Ahahaahah))))
                Yes, you have a tantrum, my friend))
                In time to work out? In terms of ejection? )))
                1. Feofun
                  Feofun 26 June 2019 00: 17
                  -1
                  Keep shining with your stupidity ?! Oh well. the number of brackets you are growing relentlessly is a sure sign of hysteria.

                  Well, to give an example of a missile defense, and even with command guidance and nuclear warheads, in its combat performance - this is just another monument to your ignorance.
  15. rruvim
    rruvim 25 June 2019 22: 10
    -1
    You can call this complex at least 500th, at least 1000th, but, it's still the same good old 300th. The only thing that was freed from the microwave lamps was the LCD displays ...
    1. poquello
      poquello 25 June 2019 23: 51
      0
      Quote: rruvim
      You can call this complex at least 500th, at least 1000th, but, it's still the same good old 300th. The only thing that was freed from the microwave lamps was the LCD displays ...

      "- I read your novel, rather weak ... And which of the classics have you read? Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Turgenev read?"
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 26 June 2019 00: 12
        0
        But I read Fyodor Mikhailovich. Almost all. I read Tolstoy when I drove past Yasnaya Polyana in the "letter" street, where he was mowing grass barefoot. And Turgenev was an alcoholic, I knew from the "House of Teleshev", he asked merchants for port on "Wednesdays" there ...
        1. poquello
          poquello 26 June 2019 00: 33
          -2
          Quote: rruvim
          But I read Fyodor Mikhailovich. Almost all. I read Tolstoy when I drove past Yasnaya Polyana in the "letter" street, where he was mowing grass barefoot. And Turgenev was an alcoholic, I knew from the "House of Teleshev", he asked merchants for port on "Wednesdays" there ...

          Well? and go to the MO site? maybe I’m lying, of course, that the MO site, because I don’t remember where the lasia is, the main difference with the 500 is a high-speed highly maneuvering near-atmospheric interceptor, that’s all right - the system has been in the military for a long time, there’s no sense in making a release before because they’ve finished the missile, but now we put all kinds x-pilots x-drones enemy
      2. rruvim
        rruvim 26 June 2019 00: 28
        +3
        - Listen, did you read Tolstoy? Would you be able to love me as Vronsky Anna?
        - No.
        - And Dostoevsky? To like Raskolnikov Sonechka?
        - No.
        - And Bunina?
        - No.
        - And what did you read?
        - "Mu-mu" read! If you yapped, I’ll drown you to my mother!
  16. rruvim
    rruvim 25 June 2019 22: 35
    +1
    This is the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov, who is he? And what is "the foreseeable future" in his terms? Yes, Rogozin's man, an engineer. But he entered the "system" and cannot exit. For at one time he was a businessman ...
  17. rruvim
    rruvim 25 June 2019 23: 32
    +1
    Five years ago it was clear that there was no 400th. The first complex was in Elektrostal * (allegedly), the same SNR and the same 96L6E, and a tower for the same 92N6E or "l". The only difference is that they were waiting for a new rocket. But they didn't wait. And if they wait, then there will be "Prometheus-500".
  18. Voyager
    Voyager 25 June 2019 23: 40
    -1
    The news is great, but why 25 years? Not enough?
  19. aivengo2.0
    aivengo2.0 25 June 2019 23: 43
    -2
    I will make a reservation right away, I rummage around a little in ground operations, mostly cleaning and assaults. Sometimes without waiting for special troops, someone did all the work (I'm talking about detachments, not about terminators: D.) Or one or the other. The only difference is in show-off. preparation is the same, arranged many times sparings both with pears and with f-shny. SO HERE, ATTENTION QUESTION. I can’t understand for the life of me: there are 400, there is nudal. for what else is something with similar characteristics? ?? In any case, for the manual the same how many modifications :) in my time there were 74 and akm (by the way it was enough, the only thing for hail aksu is more convenient) Our "friends" have a pro, aegis, tomogavki with harpoons like zhps ?? And here we are, as usual, here is the enta contraption knocks down a mustache from tomogavks to satellites ... yen, yes ??? I mean, let it be 400, let it be in need. 500 let there be a qualitative leap, not a hybrid. By the way, hybrids are not viable (sterile). You can google mules, ligers, etc. and generally speaking
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 25 June 2019 23: 56
      +1
      I will answer. I served at the training ground in Sary-Shagan. The truth is the enemy. Electronic warfare. But I've seen enough of everyone. It is very difficult to hit the target on approach, flight or launch, whatever you like. It's just complicated. It's daunting. Especially if you are sitting in a stuffy cabin, and all your data comes from a radar that cannot be trusted. Even modern Western-made airspace control devices are guided only by transponders. Even AFAR may not give you the whole picture. This requires a bunch of additional radars and data linked into one system. Many and many ... For this, AWACS aircraft were invented and, in some countries, airships with radars. And someone and satellites.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 26 June 2019 00: 06
        +3
        That was Saddam Hussein's main mistake in 1991. He sent all the aviation to Iran. Where she was interned ... And the air defense took over the entire "load". Where the French radar for some reason refused and our P-15s were jammed. And all the aircraft flew to the former enemies - the Iranians. I mean, full-fledged air defense can only be with aviation, and not with ground air defense.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 26 June 2019 02: 34
          -1
          Quote: rruvim
          That was the main mistake of Saddam Hussein in 1991. He sent all the aircraft to Iran.

          Yes, what a "mistake" ... and even "main" !? Hussein's aviation would not have saved! It would "simply" be quickly destroyed both on the ground and in the air ...
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 26 June 2019 14: 10
            +1
            Your opponent wanted to say that air defense is only effective if both of its components — ground and air — are available. Separately, the enemy quickly snaps them (which we observed more than once)
  20. xax
    xax 26 June 2019 00: 47
    -1
    Already in the foreseeable future

    ABOUT! Now I will answer customers about the deadlines so much, great phrase, thank you! hi
  21. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 26 June 2019 02: 07
    0
    All this is certainly good and I'm glad ... but "have no analogues in the world" is killing me. Already winced.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 26 June 2019 02: 52
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      Already flinched.

      "Eka, darling, how grabbed you! Eat the pyramidon!" ... If we consider the concept (!) Of the S-500, then, indeed, there are no analogues in the world ... To some extent, we can cite an American example " Patriot "PAC-3 with ERINT interceptor missiles, but there are significant differences too ...
  22. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 26 June 2019 02: 56
    +1
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    Already flinched.

    "Eka, darling, how grabbed you! Eat the pyramidon!" ... If we consider the concept (!) Of the S-500, then, indeed, there are no analogues in the world ... To some extent, we can cite an American example " Patriot "PAC-3 with ERINT interceptor missiles, but there are significant differences too ...

    I'm not an air defense specialist. But when I read about the "analogs", the screaming voice of the leader of the "military acceptance" is heard in my head. Here it will distort ...
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 26 June 2019 04: 56
      0
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      when I read about the "analogs" in my head the screaming voice of the leader of the "military acceptance" is heard. Here it will distort ...

      You are right in many respects ... very much "like" in the MO to pronounce "no analogs" in vain! But sometimes it is worth trying to understand the military and forgive ... They "want" ... hope ... dream ... they, even sometimes, are promised funding ... And then "once" (!) ... and "ax-head" financing! And what then is left to the tovarischam-developers and from the MO? To shout: "We are not to blame!" ? hi
  23. yehat
    yehat 26 June 2019 10: 49
    +1
    has no analogues in the world

    I don’t know how others do, but I'm already allergic to this expression
    author, can you show 1% ingenuity and another epithet next time you write?
    it seems that we are able to build rockets, and the whole country confidently merged the composition for the past 2 decades. No matter how you read the note, well, with such treasury bribes or primitivism,
    to continue reading you need to force yourself. The author, if you do not know how to write, read an advertisement for American missiles and half copy-paste.
  24. yehat
    yehat 26 June 2019 10: 52
    +2
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    indeed, there are no more analogues in the world.

    you will not believe, but there are no analogues in our sprats in tomato sauce, and boots, and balalaika
    and much more. But the sprats on the bank do not write about it, they write the composition, weight and release date.
  25. Old26
    Old26 26 June 2019 11: 03
    +2
    Quote: private person
    But interestingly, the S-400 was tested in real combat? Can anyone have any information?

    Not only did the S-400 not be tried in a real battle, but the S-300, too. So far this is just talk. that each of the systems is tested in practice. Unfortunately.
  26. Carib
    Carib 26 June 2019 11: 30
    0
    Quote: lucul
    For a long time there was no such news, with an offset in the execution of the order to the left, and not to the right.

    Yeah. And how the enemy planes (pilots) of the AWACS will be delighted with this news, do not pass it at all))))
    S-500 will completely turn them off from the battle))))

    Missile defense will begin to arm AWACS ...
  27. Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 26 June 2019 12: 31
    -1
    The earlier the better. The main thing is that the system be fully operational, and not as with the Yasen-M submarine