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Should America pay for slavery?

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In the US Congress passed hearings on the issue of payments to descendants of slaves. Should America pay for slavery?


British newspaper The Guardian опубликовала two completely opposite points of view of the answer to this question. Two black journalists set out two visions on reparations to the descendants of slaves. One offers traditional arguments, the second calls for solving the contemporary problems of the black population of the United States, rather than stirring up the dirty and bloody past, further splitting the country's population.



America must pay reparations for slavery


American writer and journalist Ta-Nehisi Coats (Ta Neayzi Kots) became famous for his work on socio-cultural and political topics mainly on African-American issues. So, in 2015, he received the US National Book Award in the Publicism category for the book Between the World and Me. In the book, Coates spoke in the style of addressing his son about the contemporary problems of the black population of America. In his opinion, violence and racism against blacks in the United States - this is commonplace.

Coates believes that the problem of racism is still one of the leading in the public life of the United States. And American society must take responsibility for all the events of the past. The question of reparations is a question of reparation and restoration of the rights of the black population. This is a question of citizenship, equality of the rights of white and black communities of America. The US should apologize for slavery. American society lives outside of personal space-time frameworks and should be responsible not only for the present, but also for the past. And today's America is built on the bones of millions of black slaves.

The author also raised the problem of numerous historical crimes against blacks: torture, violence, slave trade, including sale of children; and after the official abolition of slavery, blacks for a long time were second-class people, the ideology of the domination of the white race reigned. In particular, racial segregation in the United States (the separation of the white population of the United States from the "colored" in educational institutions, in public transport, places of residence and food, in the army, etc.), infringement of the rights of blacks, existed until 1960-1970. x years. As a result of racial inequality that continued after the abolition of slavery, the average black family is materially poorer than the average white family; blacks are less educated than whites; most of the prisoners in US prisons are blacks, etc.

Reparations will further divide America


Coleman Hughes does not deny the horrors and cruelties of slavery and racial laws. In particular, the laws of Jim Crow - unofficial racial laws restricting the rights of the "colored population" (blacks and Indians) in the southern states. Thus, racial segregation in public schools in the southern states was recognized as unconstitutional only in the 1954 year. Racism is a bloody page in the history of America. The American government was supposed to pay compensation to the slaves immediately after their release, the end of the Civil War.

However, there is a difference between recognizing the past and the present. The US House of Representatives in 2008 formally apologized for slavery and the laws of Jim Crow. In 2009, the US Senate did the same. The question is settled.

There are no more people who were slaves. You can not pay reparations to the descendants of slaves. Reparations should receive only victims. Therefore, the question of compensation is justified in relation to those black citizens who suffered from the laws of Jim Crow, who were second-class people in the United States. It is unfair that people will receive payments for slavery from the federal budget only on the basis of their origin, when other US citizens live on wages and salaries. It happens that they work in several places to feed their families. Reparations are laid only to the victims, and there are no more.

Thus, the law on reparations is a moral and political mistake. He will split the country even more, clashing black and white Americans among themselves. The current States need to focus on contemporary issues, rather than stir up the past. Thus, in the country there are hundreds of thousands of black prisoners, crime is the scourge of the modern black US community. Killing is the main cause of death for young blacks. There is a problem of quality education, affordable health care, a less severe system of criminal punishment, etc.

Capitalism and consumer society are the current faces of the global slave system


In reality, this dispute does not reflect the essence of the problem. The fact is that capitalism and a consumer society are the slave-owning system. The West, from its very beginning, is a society of slaves and slave owners. In the current, modernized variation - the society of usurers, oligarchs, social parasites and consumers, reduced to the role of "two-legged tools", cattle-cattle, who do not see beyond their instincts and needs. The West is a crowd-elite pyramid system, where there are “chosen” Lords and slaves-consumers.

This parasitic, degradation model and caused the current global crisis, the crisis of the biosphere, man and humanity. This is a society of extermination and self-destruction, a system of self-destruction. The essence of this system is well conveyed by agent Smith in the movie "The Matrix":
“... Having taken a plot, you multiply until all natural resources are exhausted. To survive, you have to grab more and more territory. There is one organism on Earth with a similar habit. Do you know which one? Virus. Humanity is a disease. Cancer of this planet. ”


Should America pay for slavery?

The inscription on the building of the bus station: "Waiting room for color." Durham (North Carolina), 1940 year. Source: wikipedia.org


Only the cancer of the planet is the slave model at the core of the western globalization project. The society of consumption and self-destruction, created in this “new” world order. Production for production, consumption for consumption. Human degradation, involution-simplification of humanity. The masters of the West see that their management mistakes have brought the planet and humanity to the brink of disaster. They see a way out of putting a “redundant”, “extra” population of the planet under the knife, cutting it 10 times and reducing the remaining people to the role of cattle in a planetary herd (hence the widespread and consistent degradation of the general education system throughout the planet, including Russia).
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  1. Aliken
    Aliken 26 June 2019 05: 42
    +2
    America owes everything.
    1. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 07: 28
      +4
      Quote: Aliken
      America owes everything.
      Well, for the sake of truth, not this time, but in general it is a pity that the south lost
      1. depressant
        depressant 26 June 2019 07: 45
        0
        That's right, Aliken! We need to raise the question wider, wider! The gangster country must answer for all its crimes before humanity. For Yugoslavia, Syria, Iraq, etc. And most importantly, because we drove the rink around our country. And since it is not without the participation of the ruling elite of the USSR, which was attached to the hood of the paver, then they also must answer. The black issue in America should be the beginning of the process.
        1. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 07: 47
          0
          you all mixed in a bunch
          1. depressant
            depressant 26 June 2019 08: 25
            +3
            Oh really? Narrow issues are resolved within the common. As a particular.
        2. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 26 June 2019 14: 09
          +2
          Quote: depressant
          The black issue in America should be the beginning of the process.

          If the question is so posed, then the Indians should be the first for oppression in America!
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 26 June 2019 15: 29
        -2
        Quote: Barmaleyka
        Agent Smith in the movie The Matrix:
        “... Having taken a plot, you multiply until all natural resources are exhausted. To survive, you have to grab more and more territory. There is one organism on Earth with a similar habit. Do you know which one? Virus. Humanity is a disease. Cancer of this planet. ”

        And where, on whose side was Russia?
        Again, the Insoles were bred. Have you really calculated that in 165 years we’ll bite our elbows? repeat
        I won’t be surprised.
        1. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 15: 30
          -1
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          And where, on whose side was Russia?

          not on that
      3. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 26 June 2019 15: 34
        -1
        Quote: Barmaleyka
        Quote: Aliken
        America owes everything.
        Well, for the sake of truth, not this time, but in general it is a pity that the south lost

        And where, on whose side was Russia?
        Again, the Insoles were bred. Have you really calculated that in 165 years we’ll bite our elbows? repeat
        I won’t be surprised.
    2. iouris
      iouris 2 July 2019 11: 58
      -2
      This is the United States, and this debt will grow in our lifetime. These are the rules of the game. And it was not necessary to sit not in his sled.
  2. Amateur
    Amateur 26 June 2019 05: 51
    +5
    According to demographers' forecasts, "whites" will become a national minority in the United States by the thirties. But that's their problem.
    Let them understand there themselves.
    By the way, Harriet Beecher Stowe (Uncle Tom's Cabin) has NEVER been to the South and wrote her horror film based on newspaper articles in the "northern" newspapers. belay
    1. Alf
      Alf 26 June 2019 21: 12
      +3
      Quote: Amateur
      By the way, Harriet Beecher Stowe (Uncle Tom's Cabin) has NEVER been to the South and wrote her horror film based on newspaper articles in the "northern" newspapers.

      A strong black male slave cost in the middle of the 19th century in the USA up to a thousand dollars, those still full. It is unlikely that any sane planter would begin to inflict damage on his own.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 27 June 2019 12: 00
      0
      This refers to "pure" whites. After all, a significant part of the Latinos are also white.
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 27 June 2019 12: 43
        0
        "pure" white


        Such?
    3. tracer
      tracer 29 June 2019 23: 09
      0
      From practice .... and experience. Southerners are more hospitable and open. It is easy to communicate and work with them. Residents of megalopolises in the north of New York or Boston are better to bypass generally.
      The author of the article apparently never encountered the black population at all. Most of the lazy are fantastic by nature. Any little thing that he taught him to do he then passes off as his genius. Technically, they are completely without grammes ... They study the same way as they don’t like to work and don’t want to. And as a human being, "chatting about life" is easy.
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 26 June 2019 06: 09
    +7
    The fact is that capitalism and consumer society - this is the slave system.
    .... It’s good that it concerns only the West and the USA, it will be better with us ... laughing
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 26 June 2019 06: 33
      +9
      We have a social, secular state with a developed industry and agriculture ... True, on an oil needle ... Unfortunately ....
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 26 June 2019 06: 56
        +10
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        True, on an oil needle ..

        A developed industry is nothing more than a glitch from the oil Kumar! laughing
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 26 June 2019 07: 12
          +9
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          glitch

          Just like medicine, education, social ....
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 27 June 2019 11: 12
            0
            But the godfather has an incomprehensible guard and a prosperous Chechnya. laughing
        2. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 26 June 2019 13: 24
          -5
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          A developed industry is nothing more than a glitch from the oil Kumar!

          You are an expert on economics.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 26 June 2019 13: 28
            +10
            Quote: Sergey1987
            You are an expert on economics.

            To see the degradation of the economy does not need to be an expert, just look at the things around you and read where they are made. After that, go to the store and look at prices, and compare the rate of price increase over the past five years with the rate of growth of your own salary. hi
            And yes, I have an economic tower. wink
            1. Sergey1987
              Sergey1987 26 June 2019 16: 43
              -4
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              To see the degradation of the economy does not need to be an expert, just look at the things around you and read where they are made.

              You definitely have a university degree in economics, otherwise I thought that economic development is determined by other criteria ?! Strange, but now I have half of the things on the desktop produced in the Russian Federation. It is interesting, but if an Englishman comes into his office, then it turns out that more than half of the things produced are not in Britain, which means that the British economy is also degrading.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              After that, go to the store and look at prices, and compare the rate of price increase over the past five years with the rate of growth of your own salary.

              And in which country do these rates coincide?))))
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And yes, I have an economic tower.

              And I have a higher technical, so your words:
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              A developed industry is nothing more than a glitch from the oil Kumar!

              Cause only a smile. In the Russian Federation, only oil and gas is extracted and there is no industry anymore?
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 26 June 2019 18: 51
                +5
                Quote: Sergey1987
                And in which country do these rates coincide?))))
                But in our country they differ many times more than in rotting Europe. By reducing purchasing power, this is clearly visible. This is recognized even by the largest retailers, Magnet, Ok and Tape.
                Quote: Sergey1987
                In the Russian Federation, only oil and gas is extracted and there is no industry anymore?

                Minor. You can say "halva" as much as you like, but it won't be sweeter in your mouth.
                1. Sergey1987
                  Sergey1987 27 June 2019 14: 48
                  0
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  But in our country they differ many times more than in rotting Europe. By reducing purchasing power, this is clearly visible.

                  I would not say that at times. During the World Cup in Sochi, the match Spain-Portugal, learned a lot of interesting things about rotting Europe. Also at a seminar with Italians presenting their products. By the way, I do not consider rotting Europe. The political scientist Mikheev is right. 85% of the world’s population lives in full conditions, but probably no one is engaged in self-flagellation like in Russia.
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Minor. You can say "halva" as much as you like, but it won't be sweeter in your mouth.

                  Is minuscule 58% of budget revenues for the past year not from hydrocarbons? Is the industry (by this word you probably mean industry) weak? We do not produce ferrous, non-ferrous metals? The whole range of engineering? Chemical industry products? Last year, software worth 10 billion was sold and 5,5 to the domestic market. Weapons at 17. Something miserable I do not see. You know where the minuscule. Saudi Arabia. The GDP structure is 70% oil and gas, the budget is 90%. And in the Russian Federation 11% of GDP is mining and 42% last year of the budget, the year before 36%.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 27 June 2019 15: 49
                    +1
                    Quote: Sergey1987
                    The whole range of engineering?

                    Announce the entire spectrum list! wink I don’t see our tractors, excavators at construction sites - Jisibi, Kamatsu, Hyundai and the "Chinese".
                    Quote: Sergey1987
                    We do not produce ferrous, non-ferrous metals?
                    This is also called the commodity economy. wink
                    Quote: Sergey1987
                    Chemical industry products?

                    Here, yes, one of our ToAz is worth it. Although globally the same raw materials. But how much does the budget receive from the chemical industry in%? Minuscule.
                    Quote: Sergey1987
                    58% of last year’s budget revenues not from hydrocarbons?
                    Can you lay out the sources?
                    Do you know how much we pay taxes in reality?
                    1. Sergey1987
                      Sergey1987 28 June 2019 12: 58
                      0
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Announce the entire spectrum list!

                      Will you list all the plants of heavy engineering, aircraft building, shipbuilding, transport engineering, agricultural machinery, machine tools, oil and gas machinery, electronics and electrical engineering?
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      I don’t see our tractors, excavators at construction sites - Jisibi, Kamatsu, Hyundai and the "Chinese".

                      Not counting the production of foreign brands in the Russian Federation.
                      The largest domestic factories that produce earth-moving machines are Promtraktor (CHETRA brand), ChTZ-Uraltrak, SAREX (until 1990 known as the Saransk excavator plant), Kraneks, DST-URAL, Dormash (formerly the Oryol Motor Grader Plant), Eksmash, PO ElAZ (Kama Tractor Plant) and the Russian-American joint venture RM-Tereks.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      This is also called the commodity economy.

                      A commodity economy is the sale of minerals. Metal production is already a technological process.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Although globally the same raw materials

                      Ok, but for example, plastic or fertilizers are raw materials, but they don’t produce it, you need to produce it, for this you need to have technology, this is a product with high added value.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      But how much does the budget receive from the chemical industry in%?

                      Net profit, for example, Sibur 1,5 billion euros. Imagine how much taxes he paid direct and indirect. If I’m not mistaken, then exported chemical industry products over the past year to $ 27 billion.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Can you lay out the sources?

                      They are generally available.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Do you know how much we pay taxes in reality?

                      So you decide what the budget is formed. From oil and gas revenues or from our taxes?
              2. Alf
                Alf 26 June 2019 21: 14
                +5
                Quote: Sergey1987
                Strange, but now I have half of the things on the desktop produced in the Russian Federation.

                "Made" in Russia? Or is there only the owner's office in Russia, and all production is moved to the PRC?
                1. Alf
                  Alf 26 June 2019 22: 13
                  +5
                  Quote: Alf
                  Quote: Sergey1987
                  Strange, but now I have half of the things on the desktop produced in the Russian Federation.

                  "Made" in Russia? Or is there only the owner's office in Russia, and all production is moved to the PRC?

                  Someone absolutely does not understand or does not want to understand this simple truth, but believes everything that is written on the fence. One word-support of Putin, illiterate, but stubborn.
                  1. Sergey1987
                    Sergey1987 27 June 2019 15: 41
                    -5
                    Quote: Alf
                    understand this simple truth, but believes everything that is written on the fence.

                    Where can we understand your truths if you do not read anything except the ABCs and fences.
                    Quote: Alf
                    illiterate, but stubborn.

                    Well yes. We have engineers, marketers, managers and programmers. Illiterate and stubborn. By the way, who are you by education? And yes. We are Putin's support. She saw with her own eyes what he had done over the past 20 years and remembering the 90s very well. But unfortunately not remembering communism. Oh yes. So it was never built. And what is it that you have such a flaw? Who's stopping? Probably other communists. laughing
                2. Sergey1987
                  Sergey1987 27 June 2019 15: 29
                  -2
                  Quote: Alf
                  "Made" in Russia? Or is there only the owner's office in Russia, and all production is moved to the PRC?

                  Yeah, all production was transferred to the PRC directly.
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              4. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 29 June 2019 20: 45
                -1
                Quote: Sergey1987
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                To see the degradation of the economy does not need to be an expert, just look at the things around you and read where they are made.

                You definitely have a university degree in economics, otherwise I thought that economic development is determined by other criteria ?! Strange, but now I have half of the things on the desktop produced in the Russian Federation. It is interesting, but if an Englishman comes into his office, then it turns out that more than half of the things produced are not in Britain, which means that the British economy is also degrading.

                Do you have a notebook and pen on your table? and all?
              5. tracer
                tracer 29 June 2019 23: 12
                0
                "Dear editor, is it better about the reactor?" About a gas station, it's tough ... a very profitable statement.
      2. The popuas
        The popuas 26 June 2019 08: 25
        +6
        SOCIAL has long been time to display in brackets ... hi
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 26 June 2019 08: 28
          +3
          Already much can be taken in brackets .... hi
          1. depressant
            depressant 26 June 2019 20: 18
            +3
            Colleagues, just remind Sergey 1987 that 95% of our heavy industry is offshore, which is no longer in any country in the world, even in the most recent Papuan. But barcode 46 does not mean that the product is made at a Russian enterprise. Being in our territory, as evidenced by the barcode, an enterprise may be wholly owned by a foreigner who bought not only himself, but also our trademark, depriving us of the ability to produce this product ... Well, nothing, Sergey is relatively new on the VO website , over time, learns how badly we are doing with economic security. Buying allegedly Russian goods, Sergei quite possibly contributes to the flow of money into the treasury of a foreign state. By the way, in many ways the crisis is close.
            1. your1970
              your1970 28 June 2019 12: 35
              0
              Quote: depressant
              that 95% of our heavy industry is offshore, more not in any country in the world, even in the most recent Papuan.
              -aga-aha ... They invented them for US??? they sensed that Russia was about to come to CASH offshore ....
              Believe it yourself?
      3. astepanov
        astepanov 27 June 2019 11: 45
        +1
        Nevertheless, what the author said about the United States applies to us no less than the United States:
        In the current, modernized variation - a society of money-lender oligarchs, social parasites and consumers, reduced to the role of "two-legged tools", cattle cattle, not seeing further their instincts and needs.
        I’ll also add: consumers who are socially passive, dependent on propaganda, and therefore believing that tomorrow they will lift the sanctions, or they will carry out some national projects, or corruption will self-annihilate, or the money will be returned from offshore companies, or the Mother of God will wake up and immediately panic . We won’t panic, until we believe that we are the very best, and our king-father (or president) is given to us by God.
  4. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 26 June 2019 06: 19
    0
    First of all, to whom the striped should pay so to the indigenous people, not the scanty money, but normal money.
    1. astepanov
      astepanov 27 June 2019 11: 50
      -1
      Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      striped must pay

      Yeah. You give them advice, they will immediately run for money, some to pay, others to receive. They only lack your wise advice.
      Have we paid much to the descendants of the victims of repression? Those who were left without parents, hungry, did not receive an education? In a strange eye, everyone sees a speck, but at home ...
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 27 June 2019 12: 46
        0
        Quote: astepanov
        Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        striped must pay

        Yeah. You give them advice, they will immediately run for money, some to pay, others to receive. They only lack your wise advice.
        Have we paid much to the descendants of the victims of repression? Those who were left without parents, hungry, did not receive an education? In a strange eye, everyone sees a speck, but at home ...

        We are talking about striped in the article, not about us. If they need to, then I will give them advice. As for our citizens, now they receive money, of course, not big, but still (though nothing more than that) and they have benefits. No money, they will not cover all the pain that they had to transfer for that time. Of course, the amount that they are now paying is small, it could be increased. There are not so many such people left; funds for this could be found.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 26 June 2019 06: 47
    0
    And figs. The scammers will be printed and handed out! Although ..... the Yankees usually forgive their debts to everyone .... catch up and forgive again!
  6. Barmaleyka
    Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 07: 24
    0
    The issue of reparations is a matter of redress and restoration of the rights of the black population.
    return everyone to their historical homeland
    In particular, racial segregation in the United States (separation of the white population of the United States from the “non-colored” population in educational institutions, in public transport, places of residence and food, in the army, etc.)
    twice segregation in the world was canceled and twice it ended badly
  7. Pacifist
    Pacifist 26 June 2019 07: 39
    -1
    It should, like the United Kingdom ... And also for the genocide of the indigenous population of America, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Grenada, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, secret prisons, the burial of radioactive materials in violation of the level of security, etc. . by the list...
    1. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 07: 49
      +2
      Quote: Pacifist
      Should, like the UK ...

      and we get a terribly Nazi state with nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, developed science and industry, hating the whole of European civilization
      from all of us it will be fun
      1. Pacifist
        Pacifist 26 June 2019 08: 32
        0
        What do we have now?
        1. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 09: 31
          +3
          Quote: Pacifist
          What do we have now?

          for fun read the thread about black Nazism, Americans nervously smoke on the sidelines
          1. Pacifist
            Pacifist 26 June 2019 10: 52
            -4
            I read ... my conclusion is the same as now, only the view from the side. The Americans themselves gave birth to this degenerate society of brutal colored free parasites inside the country, but the most rotten as the white community, in the person of having access to control, is no better. Both those and others are ready to pour blood with the rivers and spread rot all who are not getting. So, I repeat, I see no difference. The US Establishment is behaving on the planet like gangsters in lawless gangsters. Both those and others are held back only by the non-zero probability of raking in full if there is an excess.
            1. Barmaleyka
              Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 11: 12
              +2
              Quote: Pacifist
              Both those and others are held back only by the non-zero probability of raking in full if there is an excess.

              if anything is holding back today, then there will be nothing to hold back Black, an example of South Africa to help you
              we will get an extremely Nazi state (which for now there’s no truth) with powerful industry and weapons
              1. Pacifist
                Pacifist 26 June 2019 11: 34
                +7
                I disagree. There is such a thing as political transformation. In the same South Africa, with remarkable efforts, blacks in the fight for ... yes, they themselves do not know why .. they do not have enough education to clearly and coherently express, and what they say fits into "take away and divide", straight like all populist movements. So these, if I may say so, "fighters" multiplied their industry by a value close to zero. But even they switched inward, realizing that they could knock outside. Having gained power (or rather by making a mess) in the states, they switch from ostentatious external aggression to internal. Since it will really be scary outside to start a carnage, there is someone to answer. In addition, if you analyze history, all Nazi states were based on strict discipline, and not on anarchist mess. Strictly speaking, this is one of the key characteristics of such a state, but nothing close to such a discipline can appear as a result of a possible transition in the states. The mentality is not the same and there is no monolithic society, even in potential. Therefore, there will be a disintegration into states and slaughter, and not a state with "powerful industry and weapons." In general, any of these points of view certainly has a right to exist, as a variant of holivar, but mine seems more likely to me. :)
                1. Barmaleyka
                  Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 11: 37
                  -3
                  Quote: Pacifist
                  But even they switched inward, realizing that they could knock outside.

                  these do not switch, this gave education in contrast to South Africa
                  1. nikvic46
                    nikvic46 27 June 2019 07: 35
                    -1
                    Now there is a lot of talk about the "oppression" of whites in South Africa .. There was a revolution. And it will take a long time for everything to be settled. As for the banditry, it is no different from the general.
                    1. Barmaleyka
                      Barmaleyka 27 June 2019 09: 09
                      -2
                      Quote: nikvic46
                      As for banditry, it is no different from the general.

                      statistics say otherwise
      2. dzvero
        dzvero 26 June 2019 11: 38
        +2
        and we get a terribly Nazi state with nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, developed science and industry, hating the whole of European civilization

        and in three months there will be a terribly Nazi state with nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, advanced science and industry, hating all European civilization ...
  8. Demagogue
    Demagogue 26 June 2019 08: 12
    -2
    The most interesting thing is that slavery was canceled here almost simultaneously with the United States. Theoretically, almost everyone has former ancestors' slaves and the right to demand compensation)) the government’s reaction to this would be interesting)) segregation was even in a sense: the collective farmers were not given passports, the registration is the same.
    1. Loess
      Loess 26 June 2019 08: 28
      0
      Quote: Demagogue
      The most interesting thing is that slavery was canceled here almost simultaneously with the United States.

      The most interesting thing is that legally we never had slavery.
      1. The popuas
        The popuas 26 June 2019 08: 31
        +2
        The most interesting thing is that it does not end here wink including credit slavery, the same only veiled hi
        1. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 09: 06
          -5
          verbiage is already tired, which of the borrowers is in slavery with banks?
          1. The popuas
            The popuas 26 June 2019 09: 11
            +1
            This is not about banks wink here it is about opening your mouth in defense of your rights in disputes with the employer wink nothing changes in this world, unfortunately hi
            1. Barmaleyka
              Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 09: 15
              0
              you clearly wrote CREDIT SLAVERY, and now explain which of the borrowers is owned by the lenders,
              and most importantly, what does lending have to do with disputes with the employer.
              or the main thing is to write something while absolutely not thinking and not understanding what you are writing ?!
              1. The popuas
                The popuas 26 June 2019 09: 25
                +2
                I think that I can link all the processes taking place in Russia into one chain, but you have problems with this, if you think that these are different processes that are not complementary fool I bow to the sim, because I don’t see any reason to continue the dialogue with you hi
                1. Barmaleyka
                  Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 09: 33
                  -1
                  again, stop verbiage you said credit slavery
                  without smearing the snot on a plate what is it, how is it related to disputes with the employer and who YOU ​​personally forces to take loans? !!!
                  only please specifically in the case
                  1. Sergey1987
                    Sergey1987 26 June 2019 13: 30
                    0
                    Quote: Barmaleyka
                    again, stop verbiage you said credit slavery

                    It doesn’t matter what he said. The main thing I picked up a couple of beautiful words that would once again whimper as we all live badly. Here a number of comrades in any topic are engaged in self-flagellation, even if it’s not a village outside the city.
          2. Barmaleyka
            Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 09: 31
            -2
            Well, yes, the minus is easier to put than to refute, or even more so answer the DIRECT question
    2. The popuas
      The popuas 26 June 2019 08: 28
      +1
      We see a speck in a stranger’s eye, but we don’t notice a log in our own! yes
    3. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 09: 04
      -3
      Quote: Demagogue
      The most interesting thing is that slavery was canceled here almost simultaneously with the United States. Theoretically, almost everyone has ancestors former slaves and the right to demand compensation))

      a rare stupidity, in RI the landowner did not rule over the life of the serf - he could not kill him, rape him, etc.
      1. The popuas
        The popuas 26 June 2019 09: 15
        0
        Ahah haha ​​... again ... ahhhha wassat believe it yourself !? Or just to write something laughing
        1. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 09: 16
          -3
          well giggle if you don’t know the stories
          1. The popuas
            The popuas 26 June 2019 09: 22
            +1
            Can you remind the saltychikha ah !? Nice man fool
            1. Barmaleyka
              Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 09: 27
              +3
              or maybe you remember how she finished? !!!
              the judges found the accused “guilty without leniency” in 38 proven killings and torture of yard people.
              Saltykova Daria Nikolaevna was sentenced:
              to the deprivation of the noble rank;
              to a lifelong prohibition to be called the family of the father or husband, it was also forbidden to indicate his noble origin and family ties with other noble families;
              to serving for an hour a special “reproachful sight”, during which the convict was to stand on a scaffold chained to a pillar with the inscription “torturer and murderer” above her head;
              to life imprisonment in an underground prison without light and human communication (light was allowed only during meals, and conversation was allowed only with the head of the guard and a woman nun).


              or if it was chikatilo we allowed pedophilia and rape? !!!
              teach stories not to sit in a puddle
              1. The popuas
                The popuas 26 June 2019 09: 33
                0
                All right overstepped the lady! As they wrote above, why, then they burned the estates !? wink for being fed and stroked on the head laughing please do not idealize, either that time or today ....
                1. Barmaleyka
                  Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 09: 43
                  -1
                  learn history
                  The Council Code of 1649 shares the landowner's responsibility for the inadvertent and willful killing of a peasant.
                  In the event of an unintentional murder (in a fight), the noble was imprisoned until a special order from the king. In the premeditated murder of the peasant, the perpetrator was executed, regardless of social origin.
                  Alexander I in 1817 pointed out the arbitrariness of the landlords to bring them to court and take the estates under the care of the treasury.

                  For 1834 - 1845 the government brought to court 2838 nobles and convicted of them 630 people. During the reign of Nicholas I, about 200 estates were taken into custody annually, taken for the mistreatment of the landlords with the peasants. The government constantly regulated the relations of landowners and peasants. In 1834 - 1845 in Russia 0,13% of peasants were convicted of disobedience to the landlords and 0,13% of landowners for excess of power over the peasants.
              2. Alf
                Alf 26 June 2019 21: 19
                0
                Quote: Barmaleyka
                or maybe you remember how she finished? !!!

                Single case. And how many complaints about the lawlessness "bar" returned back to the object of complaints with the corresponding consequences for the complainants?
                1. Barmaleyka
                  Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 21: 49
                  -3
                  Quote: Alf
                  Single case.

                  far from
        2. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 26 June 2019 15: 38
          -2
          Quote: Popuas
          Ahah haha ​​... again ... ahhhha wassat believe it yourself !? Or just to write something laughing

          Unlike the Papuans, we have faith repeat
          1. The popuas
            The popuas 26 June 2019 18: 44
            +1
            Believe who's stopping you repeat
      2. Alf
        Alf 26 June 2019 21: 17
        -1
        Quote: Barmaleyka
        in RI, the landowner did not rule the life of the serf - he could not kill him, rape him, etc.

        Does the name of Saltychikha say nothing?
        1. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 22: 01
          -3
          you as a "Papuan" in a puddle to put, or recall the question?
  9. Demagogue
    Demagogue 26 June 2019 09: 18
    -3
    Quote: Barmaleyka
    Quote: Demagogue
    The most interesting thing is that slavery was canceled here almost simultaneously with the United States. Theoretically, almost everyone has ancestors former slaves and the right to demand compensation))

    a rare stupidity, in RI the landowner did not rule over the life of the serf - he could not kill him, rape him, etc.

    Where do you come from ???)))) not like a peasant, a landowner could be killed. A simple example: a large breeder laid eyes on the wife of a landowner neighbor. In person, he offered to get a divorce and give way. Renouncement. He invites the landowner to the factory and with his comrades he throws it into the furnace. He takes the widow to himself.
    And what did they do with the peasants ... It was as if they burned the estates just like that.
    1. Loess
      Loess 26 June 2019 09: 38
      -1
      Quote: Demagogue
      A simple example:

      What does this example have to do with slavery?
      Quote: Demagogue
      Where do you come from ???))))
    2. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 09: 45
      -2
      Quote: Demagogue
      Where do you come from ???)))) not like a peasant, a landowner could be killed.

      I don’t care, and we are being raped, including children, so that this is allowed ?!
      Quote: Demagogue
      And what did they do with the peasants ... It was as if they burned the estates just like that.

      I have already given figures and data on what they did to those who killed the peasants
    3. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 26 June 2019 15: 58
      +1
      Quote: Demagogue
      Quote: Barmaleyka
      Quote: Demagogue
      The most interesting thing is that slavery was canceled here almost simultaneously with the United States. Theoretically, almost everyone has ancestors former slaves and the right to demand compensation))

      a rare stupidity, in RI the landowner did not rule over the life of the serf - he could not kill him, rape him, etc.

      Where do you come from ???)))).
      Well, basically from the same place you came from. Although you already have test tubes in use.
      As for horror films, the logic is the same, the greater the difference in the number of bobbles, the more abruptly your head blows. And your example may have been in life. Only "exception to the rule, emphasizes the rule".
      And in CULTURAL France, women perverts on the eve of WWI burned in the stove. And Jackie the Rippers spattered blood all over London. Hurry up! Draw conclusions about the rottenness of England and France! Arbitrariness, permissiveness, a curse of up to 7 kalena! .... No?
      Well, leave our story to us, and your .... repeat
  10. Demagogue
    Demagogue 26 June 2019 09: 20
    +1
    Quote: Less
    Quote: Demagogue
    The most interesting thing is that slavery was canceled here almost simultaneously with the United States.

    The most interesting thing is that legally we never had slavery.

    People only sold and bought))) Lawyer))
    1. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 09: 29
      -3
      Quote: Demagogue
      People only sold and bought))) Lawyer))

      in court, both the landowner and the serf were EQUAL, but the slave and the owner in court could not even be against each other
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 26 June 2019 16: 02
      0
      Quote: Demagogue
      Quote: Less
      Quote: Demagogue
      The most interesting thing is that slavery was canceled here almost simultaneously with the United States.

      The most interesting thing is that legally we never had slavery.

      People only sold and bought))) Lawyer))

      But the bank will "let you down" to the collectors, and all the legal subtleties and nuances will turn out to be stupidity, facing reality.
  11. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 26 June 2019 09: 45
    +2
    All right. The humanity management system has not been developed. Once again, mankind was unable to create at least some institutions that work correctly above the level of unconditional survival. As soon as survival issues cease to dominate people, people begin to decay rapidly, spoiling and destroying themselves and the surrounding space.
    Instead of looking for a way to the future, humanity follows the path of satisfying the desires and "needs" of the most stupid and worthless people because, firstly, these desires are easier to satisfy, and secondly, such people are in the majority. What methods of management do our "masters" want to see? Their main dream is methods of direct control, that is, the transformation of an already extremely stupefied and decayed mass into a complete puppet, without any will of their own. They say that they will "save people from mistakes and crimes."
    All this convincingly proves that we can’t do it at all! People do not grow, but rot in their mass, with the active participation of the rulers of all countries and peoples who regard this situation as natural and necessary. What methods of control and management in these conditions do not apply, there will be no sense.
    We have no future.
  12. Demagogue
    Demagogue 26 June 2019 09: 46
    -1
    Quote: Less
    Quote: Demagogue
    A simple example:

    What does this example have to do with slavery?
    Quote: Demagogue
    Where do you come from ???))))


    Really do not understand? Take the handle and explain? Moreover, the social structure in the Republic of Ingushetia during the period of serfdom allowed arbitrariness in relation to even the formally ruling class. And arbitrariness and violence towards serfs were the norm. Let’s take the definition of slavery from pedivicia, which refers to the serious author Brace: Slavery is a system in which the principles of property law apply to people and allow others to possess, buy and sell. What is wrong?
    1. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 09: 51
      -2
      Quote: Demagogue
      the fact that the social structure in the Republic of Ingushetia during the period of serfdom allowed arbitrariness in relation to even the formally ruling class.

      yes it didn’t allow, IT WAS PROHIBITED BY LAW
    2. Loess
      Loess 26 June 2019 09: 51
      0
      Quote: Demagogue
      Really didn’t understand? Take the handle and explain?

      It’s enough just to bring a document according to which
      Quote: Demagogue
      in the Republic of Ingushetia at the time of serfdom, arbitrariness was allowed against even the formally ruling class. And arbitrariness and violence towards serfs were the norm.
    3. Glory1974
      Glory1974 26 June 2019 14: 15
      +1
      Slavery is a system in which the principles of property law are applicable to people and allow others to possess, buy and sell. What is wrong?

      All right. We have slaves now - these are footballers. repeat
      1. Rzzz
        Rzzz 29 June 2019 19: 25
        0
        In the case of football players, it is not themselves that are sold, but their contracts. And the contract says "to play for the owner", for which one it is not said.
    4. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 26 June 2019 17: 52
      +1
      Quote: Demagogue
      Moreover, the social structure in the Republic of Ingushetia during the period of serfdom allowed arbitrariness in relation to even the formally ruling class.

      The social system of all countries and peoples in the world allows the arbitrariness of the strong over the weak and now, did not notice? Regarding the rights of the fortress ...
      I'm fed up with the topic, but I’ll explain. Once again. The right of a fortress is not slavery and is not related to it. It’s just that life set a choice for people - to defend themselves against armed enemies themselves, or to take the right of a fortress, that is, to give part of the product and their rights so that others would protect them.
      Do you want freedom? So in Russia there were not the slightest problems with this. The forest was around, harnessed to the horse-drawn cart and look for fistulas ... Nobody was looking. All the same, to no avail. The fortress attracted people. Safety at hand is the boyar. Boyar fortification, where it was possible to hide, while Borin with slaves in a clean field, puts his life for those who themselves do not want to protect themselves ...
      Yes, when the boyars were replaced by nobles, and the territory grew so that the forest became like heaven, the problems and filth went on. But initially, the law of the fortress was no slavery from the word at all.
  13. Demagogue
    Demagogue 26 June 2019 09: 51
    -1
    Quote: Barmaleyka
    Quote: Demagogue
    People only sold and bought))) Lawyer))

    in court, both the landowner and the serf were EQUAL, but the slave and the owner in court could not even be against each other

    They are so equal that the landowner of the peasant can be exiled, and his wife can lose his cards to a neighbor. And all according to the law. And the sentences to the landowners who killed the peasants were on the fingers of one hand. And who was sitting in the courts? Surprise: the neighbors of the landowner))
    1. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 10: 55
      -5
      Quote: Demagogue
      And the sentences to the landowners who killed the peasants were on the fingers of one hand. And who was sitting in the courts? Surprise: the neighbors of the landowner))

      how boring it is, well, you don’t know - read
    2. yehat
      yehat 26 June 2019 11: 58
      0
      Well, you need to start with the fact that life was regulated by the authorities (+ nobility), the court, the church and local like the community. There are different "laws" everywhere. Serfs were relatively powerless only in court, in other instances they could count on something. At least, RI did not approve of unmotivated cruelty, let alone murder for fun. They tried to live "like everyone else", "according to the laws." And the serfs were very different. There were serfs, richer than many nobles.
  14. Demagogue
    Demagogue 26 June 2019 09: 54
    -3
    Quote: Less
    Quote: Demagogue
    Really didn’t understand? Take the handle and explain?

    It’s enough just to bring a document according to which
    Quote: Demagogue
    in the Republic of Ingushetia at the time of serfdom, arbitrariness was allowed against even the formally ruling class. And arbitrariness and violence towards serfs were the norm.

    Two brothers, acrobat))) Carefully read what they write to you. This is for both.
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 26 June 2019 11: 12
      0
      You really are 100% consistent with your nickname ..
    2. Barmaleyka
      Barmaleyka 26 June 2019 11: 14
      -3
      do you communicate with a mirror ?!
      can you bring a law according to which the landowner was released from punishment for murder or violence?
  15. yehat
    yehat 26 June 2019 11: 49
    +3
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    We have a social, secular state with a developed industry

    In the Russian Federation, pensions almost ceased to exist, regilia lessons were introduced at school and 20k enterprises were closed.
    and "you" is where?
    1. Sergey1987
      Sergey1987 26 June 2019 13: 35
      -1
      Quote: yehat
      In the Russian Federation, pensions almost ceased to exist, regilia lessons were introduced at school and 20k enterprises were closed.

      Do not carry nonsense.
      1. yehat
        yehat 26 June 2019 13: 37
        +3
        Quote: Sergey1987
        Do not carry nonsense.
        Reply

        what exactly is nonsense? Do you support pension reform?
        or they don’t teach Orthodoxy / Islam at school - should I emphasize the necessary?
        or do enterprises not close?
        about enterprises. take commonplace cement. Not so long ago, the USSR produced it the most in the world and was not enough.
        Before it was produced in almost every major city.
        And now does anyone produce Portland cement of sane quality?
        look at how much cement was ordered for the Rotenberg megastructures from abroad.
        But this is the most primitive - you do not need any super technologies, only scoop and process material from quarries and the demand is simply gigantic.
        But even this is no longer. And this is material that did not require anything other than maintaining the old production and was in great demand.
        What about the other industries that are not so lucky?
        1. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 26 June 2019 17: 22
          -1
          You wrote:
          Quote: yehat
          In Russia, pensions almost ceased to exist

          In the Russian Federation, someone canceled pensions? That's why I wrote that they would not carry nonsense. Or more specifically express yourself.
          Quote: yehat
          Do you support pension reform?

          Yes
          Quote: yehat
          or they don’t teach Orthodoxy / Islam at school - should I emphasize the necessary?

          Yeah 36 hours a year in one class. Even if there were more hours, I do not see a problem in this.
          Quote: yehat
          or do enterprises not close?

          Which enterprises were closed, for example, in March or April? The word "enterprise" is generalized. Can you list which factories and new production facilities have opened over the past, for example, year?
          Quote: yehat
          Before it was produced in almost every major city.

          Do not get excited.
          Quote: yehat
          And now does anyone produce Portland cement of sane quality?

          Cement Production in Russia
          Ten leading cement producers in Russia for 2013 (volume in million tons / market share in%):
          Eurocement Group - 21,649 / 32,6
          Novoroscement - 5,772 / 8,7
          Mordovcement - 4,717 / 7,1
          Siberian Cement - 4,307 / 6,5
          Heidelberg Cement - 3,654 / 5,5
          Holcim - 3,658 / 5,5
          Dyckerhoff - 3,257 / 4,9
          “Sebryakovcement” - 3,167 / 4,8
          Lafarge - 2,416 / 3,6
          Vostokcement - 2,037 / 3,1
          Quote: yehat
          look at how much cement was ordered for the Rotenberg megastructures from abroad.

          Who told you that from abroad?
          In the production of cement of the Russian Federation in 7-8 place.
        2. Rzzz
          Rzzz 29 June 2019 19: 36
          0
          Quote: yehat
          And now does anyone produce Portland cement of sane quality?

          The key point of "sane quality". This is the reason for the closure of 95% of all closed enterprises. The new owners, having received the plant practically for free, could not even think about the fact that production should be maintained at a modern level, modernized, and even repaired. All corny went into squeezing out the maximum profit. You can grieve as much as you like, say about the Moskvich plant, but you would prefer to drive at least a budget Volkswagen, but not a crookedly assembled Chrysler replica of the late 70s. (This is me about the last Moskvich, if anyone does not know).
          Our enterprises died on their own, no one killed them intentionally.
  16. boriz
    boriz 26 June 2019 12: 03
    -3
    Actually, you need to start with the fact that America must return the Indians to their country. And pay for the genocide of the indigenous population. Then load onto the ships and sail to .... (in general, at any of the addresses well-known in Russian). Among the sailors should be blacks. They are also at work in this matter.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 27 June 2019 12: 08
      +1
      The Indians did not have a country. There was a mass of warring multilingual tribes.
  17. yehat
    yehat 26 June 2019 12: 34
    +5
    the average black family is materially poorer than the ordinary white family; blacks are less educated than whites; most prisoners in US prisons are blacks, etc.

    but do not get too hung up on the topic. Yes, racism still exists in the United States, but is it directly related to wealth? See what the colored people are up to. They don't work, they don't study in the majority. And prosperity directly depends on this.
  18. naidas
    naidas 26 June 2019 12: 57
    0
    Only the weak pay.
  19. APASUS
    APASUS 26 June 2019 13: 41
    -1
    An interesting question has been raised with the payment for slavery, what about the native inhabitants of America, as I understand it, they should not be at all? Or what about the victims of racism and \ it was not so long ago, those who remember

    It’s all empty, just talk about freedom. Now everyone has discussed, wept and safely forgotten
  20. NF68
    NF68 26 June 2019 15: 02
    0
    You have to wait a long time.
  21. Boozer
    Boozer 26 June 2019 16: 02
    +2
    Crazy idea. This is the same as the descendants of Russian serfs demanding compensation from the government for serfdom. Serfdom in Russia was abolished in 1961. The abolition of slavery in the United States began after the Civil War of 1961-65. Almost at the same time ....
    1. Boozer
      Boozer 26 June 2019 16: 03
      +3
      I apologize in 1861, 1861-65.
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  23. yehat
    yehat 26 June 2019 17: 26
    +1
    Quote: Sergey1987
    Who told you that from abroad?
    In the production of cement of the Russian Federation in 7-8 place.

    there is a difference between cement and Portland cement - in quality.
    we began to produce much worse quality and reduced the variety of brands.
    You described a record in the same style as China boosted its iron production under Mao.
    Tell or do you know?
  24. nikvic46
    nikvic46 27 June 2019 07: 50
    0
    Judging by the comments, the English did not write all this in vain, as if casually shifting the arrows to us and to Europe. And there are many hunters for reparations. However, where they sit, they will get off. We know firsthand about the consumer society. We live in it ourselves. True, it is not yet ripe, but it is being actively watered. The society is also divided. Some people still have the word "solidarity", others have a cold calculation. There is no need to attribute to our society those qualities that it has already lost. The new society has new qualities.
  25. Normal ok
    Normal ok 27 June 2019 17: 37
    0
    The author of the article writes: "From the very beginning, the West is a society of slaves and slave owners."
    I wonder if he had ever heard of serfdom? Is that the most humane system?
    And again: "The fact is that capitalism and the consumer society are the slave-owning system."
    But in Russia now, what is not capitalism?
    P.S. Pure water a set of propaganda stamps from the time of Leonid Ilyich.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 29 June 2019 09: 39
      0
      The author is one of the modern left-wing dreamers.
  26. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 29 June 2019 09: 38
    0
    Be sure to pay compensation to African Americans! Especially for such victims as murderers and drug dealers who are in prison and have not worked for beneficiaries for a day.

    Only do this with the simultaneous deprivation of citizenship and deportation to their historical homeland. And to all those who do not want to receive compensation, they propose to sign a waiver of any statements on inequality.
  27. a52333
    a52333 21 July 2019 13: 07
    0
    On a tactful level, if the US passes this law, it will be fine.
    Their economy will weaken, interethnic contradictions will intensify. The United States will sink for tangible time.
    But this terrible gin will be released from the bottle. Pay-and-repentance advocates are a global force. And we have a lot of them too. And in Europe.
    This will get a global trend.
    Strategically, these geeks will spoil the lives of many