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The pilot of the crashed fighter Su-27 revealed the causes of the accident

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The pilot of the Su-27 fighter crashed near Petrozavodsk shed light on the circumstances of the disaster. Major General Kanamat Botashev said that the incident was caused by the sudden failure of all aircraft systems during its approach to the airfield of the settlement of Nizhny Besovets.

"All this happened during the ascent during the landing approach. There were no explosions, no pops. The car just went down. It's good that all this happened over the desert terrain, and not over the village, which is located nearby," explained his version the pilot, adding that he, along with Colonel Yevgeny Oleinik, who was sitting at the helm, made a decision to eject, since “it was not possible to get out of the peak”.

Investigators who are studying the circumstances of the incident and have already interrogated Botashev and Oleinik are in no hurry to agree with the version of the pilots. “Now it’s impossible to say for sure if there was a equipment failure - everything will become known only after all the necessary expert examinations have been carried out. A special commission of the Ministry of Defense is working at the place of emergency,” the law enforcement agencies said.

The Su-27 fighter crashed in the Petrozavodsk district of Karelia yesterday morning. Both pilots were able to eject and get in touch with the search party.

Su-27, according to sources, fell just 100 m from a residential building and 30 m from the railway. However, there was no damage. Fighter black boxes have already been found. Deciphering their data will the Ministry of Defense. Upon the emergency, the military investigation department of the RF IC of the Petrozavodsk garrison appointed a pre-investigation check. All flights of aircraft of this type are suspended.

Upon the crash in the Military Investigation Department, a criminal case was initiated under the article "Violation of flight rules or preparations for them."
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  1. Kaa
    Kaa 30 June 2012 12: 46
    +15
    "It is very good that all this happened over a desert area, and not over the village that is located nearby." It's a pity the plane, but thank God, everyone is alive, and technology is a profitable business. The main thing is that pilots should not be made extreme again.
    1. 755962
      755962 30 June 2012 16: 49
      +5
      It all happened during climb when approaching.. Explain to the foolish ... THIS is like landing, do you need to gain height? When landing, seem to decrease. Or not?
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 June 2012 16: 51
        +1
        Hello Eugene!
        I think this is probably what the pilot says in terms!
        climb climb may be !!
        Although it also does not sound completely Russian!
        Maybe I'm wrong!
        1. 755962
          755962 30 June 2012 17: 00
          +2
          Good afternoon, Alibek! According to other rumors, a bird got into the air intake. Although we are guessing here on coffee grounds. The main correct analysis and adequate conclusions.
          1. Korvin
            Korvin 30 June 2012 17: 05
            +1
            What difference does it make if the commissions have only one verdict ... the human factor is guilty ..... the most experienced expert instantly turns out to be a dull, deaf addict and a drunkard with mental retardation ... and go prove the opposite ((( ((
            1. 755962
              755962 30 June 2012 17: 24
              +5
              It’s interesting that in the carriage a senior rank was made by Major General Kanamat Botashev (pictured on the far left), commander of the 7000th air base, based in Voronezh.
              It is noteworthy that in October last year, the Su-24, belonging to the air base commanded by Kanamat Botashev, crashed in the Amur region. Then both pilots died. To find out the causes of the accident, a commission headed by the commander of the Northwest Air Force and Air Defense Association has already flown to Karelia.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 30 June 2012 21: 10
                +1
                Eugene!
                Yesterday, Sergey explained to all of us that the best aircraft, and usually the commander, that is, the best pilot, goes for weather reconnaissance !!
              2. VAF
                VAF 1 July 2012 09: 18
                +2
                Quote: 755962
                It is noteworthy that in October last year, the Su-24 belonging to the air base crashed in Amur Region


                Incorrect comparison ..... fatal coincidence, no more .....
          2. VAF
            VAF 1 July 2012 09: 16
            +3
            Quote: 755962
            According to other rumors


            That's right, you say ... rumored +! But this issue has already been discussed ....
      2. VAF
        VAF 1 July 2012 09: 11
        +2
        Quote: 755962
        All this happened during the climb during the approach .. Explain to the foolish ..


        Hi Zhenya! Inattentively read ... already explained everything in detail before, +! drinks
    2. Sosed
      Sosed 30 June 2012 21: 48
      +3
      Hello!!! laughing
      Yesterday I was Neighbor - as many as 9 warnings were soldered for one personal message to the professor!
      And since I already had 1, then the ban profile forever.
      I do not care about your toy rating. tongue
      But you explain to me - as it is - 9th for one letter! Especially PERSONAL! I thought that you can write anything in them. And today - they included antimat in them - and so what *** it wasn’t yesterday! When i'm drunk laughing He sat and wrote to this ******* - who got me with his crawls under my skin! On me, so to speak - the mistakes corrected their own flaws.
      What can I tell you - "administrators" - a flag in your hands. Something your ban - does not *** work !? belay laughing Well, take a look at this profile - one more!
      I’m tomorrow - (today it’s too late) - 20 of them I will create for myself. And I will come off at the Professor. I also need to find out his IP address - I'll set up a concentration camp for him. His Bank and Internet will sweat from Ddos and Flood attacks. Yes Professor! wink
      Why do I insert my letter the same thing in every article - and so that the People know - about the lawlessness that administrators sometimes create.
      1. Alexander Petrovich
        Alexander Petrovich 1 July 2012 03: 33
        0
        Man, what happened? Explain to me a fool, otherwise I misunderstood, we can arrange a revolution, overthrow the autocracy.
  2. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 30 June 2012 12: 54
    +7
    Yes, the main thing is that the men are safe!
  3. Igor
    Igor 30 June 2012 12: 57
    +4
    Given the pace of production of combat aircraft in our army, by 2025 there will remain 300 combat-ready aircraft, and this is the future of rush aviation.
    1. Pessimist
      Pessimist 30 June 2012 13: 49
      +6
      Igor,
      Quote: Igorek
      By 2025, there will remain 300 combat-ready aircraft,

      And now, I wonder how many combat-ready and combat-ready aircraft we have ???
    2. qwz_qwz
      qwz_qwz 30 June 2012 13: 55
      +6
      Quote: Igorek

      Given the pace of production of combat aircraft in our army, by 2025 there will remain 300 combat-ready aircraft, and this is the future of rush aviation.

      Although it is oppressed it is said, but it is logical ... They mined in vain.
      1. VAF
        VAF 1 July 2012 10: 14
        +2
        Quote: qwz_qwz
        . Zaminusuvalu in vain.


        I agree, +!
    3. all20043
      all20043 30 June 2012 14: 44
      -3
      Are you a big specialist on aircraft manufacturing?
      1. Igor
        Igor 30 June 2012 14: 58
        +3
        Of course, I barely got into the avatar laughing
  4. Gym teacher
    Gym teacher 30 June 2012 13: 03
    -23
    The State Department is to blame. It is clear
    1. Alexander Petrovich
      Alexander Petrovich 1 July 2012 03: 34
      +1
      Do not rule out revenge for their raptor.
  5. cool.cube2012
    cool.cube2012 30 June 2012 13: 07
    +8
    "All this happened during the approach climb" - can anyone explain the landing happens during the climb?
    1. TekhnarMAF
      TekhnarMAF 30 June 2012 13: 45
      +2
      cool. cube2012 You removed the question from the language, the approach is on the glide path, i.e. with a decline. We will wait for the Guru in matters of piloting-Veteran.airforce, I hope he will explain everything to us.
      1. VAF
        VAF 30 June 2012 14: 19
        +9
        Quote: TehnarMAF
        I hope he will explain everything to us.


        Colleague, I welcome you, +! He painted everything above.

        If you remember, I immediately put forward as the most important version with the refusal of the CDU !!!

        If we go back to the article that was discussed for the first time, I would like to hear the opinion of the "greatest expert" TONGUS with his "pearls" about PMCs and conceit, and of any "nasty" type of show off ....... ?? ?
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 30 June 2012 15: 37
          +6
          Quote: veteran.air force
          If you remember, I immediately put forward as the most important version with the refusal of the CDU !!!

          Seryoga, hello !!! I’m not lying, the first thought after reading the article, "but Seryoga, as always, was right" good I remember your reasoning yesterday that surging of two engines is unlikely, but they would try to land (with a high probability provided by technical capabilities) one plane, and then only control failure. Well, what can I say, I have never doubted and do not doubt now your experience and professionalism !!! good And you don’t give any reason for this ... laughing Good luck, health and happiness drinks
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 30 June 2012 15: 55
            +5
            Alexey support!
            And I’m ready to subscribe to every word !!
            and my opinion on the pilots generally radically changed my opinion thanks to Sergey!
          2. VAF
            VAF 1 July 2012 10: 19
            0
            Quote: Aleksey67
            Good luck, health and happiness


            Lesha, thank you for your kind words, my friend + !!! drinks

        2. 77bor1973
          77bor1973 30 June 2012 16: 29
          +5
          I read yesterday's comment "+"!
        3. Odinplys
          Odinplys 1 July 2012 12: 15
          +1
          Quote: veteran.air force
          If you remember, I immediately put forward as the most important version with the refusal of the CDU !!!


          I remember well this particular version put forward by you ...
    2. VAF
      VAF 30 June 2012 14: 16
      +11
      Quote: cool.cube2012
      "It all happened during the approach climb."


      When performing flights for weather reconnaissance, in addition to flying in a circle, flights to pilot zones are also performed. which are located at certain distances from the aerodrome, depending on the size of the border of the aerodrome zone, at different aerodromes, the removal of these zones (piloting, performing operations on the PMV, working out PIM, PFP, PZM, stubborn battles, etc.) can be located at distances from 40 up to 150 km).

      The flight to these zones is carried out already at the given departure levels, which are higher than the circle height (transition height) and are already carried out at P 760 mm Hg.

      Therefore, upon completion of work in an area where a prerequisite is "breaking through" the cloudiness both along the upper boundary and the lower one, later, upon returning to the airfield, the arrival is carried out already at the height set for the approach.

      The frontier of the approach at high altitudes is a range of 100 km, at average altitudes of 50 km, reaching the approach line and further decreasing to the N echelon of the transition is CONSTRUCTION OF A MANEUVER and PERFORMING A DIAGRAM FOR AN ENTRANCE.

      In this case, climb was carried out after leaving the pilot zone, so everything was ABSOLUTELY EXACTLY FORMULATED — a failure of the control system while climbing to build the approach scheme!

      I hope it is available ???

      If not ... ready to explain what is incomprehensible ... with respect,
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 June 2012 14: 29
        +3
        Dear Sergey!
        Did I understand correctly that the weather reconnaissance flight is carried out in order to know the weather features at certain altitudes ??
        Indeed, with today's science, having an accurate weather forecast for the week ahead is not a problem !!
        And do this intelligence flight every day?
        1. VAF
          VAF 30 June 2012 15: 14
          +5
          Quote: Yarbay
          Did I understand correctly that the weather reconnaissance flight is carried out in order to know the weather features at certain altitudes ??


          Dear Alikbek, absolutely right +!

          Not only at certain heights, but over the entire range of heights at which the tasks will be performed, let's say the piloting zone is N 100- N 6000 meters; you need to know the wind (speed and direction, wind currents), cloud cover (lower upper boundary, nature, development trend, nature ), temperature, visibility (phenomena. haze, fog) well, and much more ....


          Quote: Yarbay
          Indeed, with today's science, having an accurate weather forecast for the week ahead is not a problem !!


          This is a pure theory, you can only predict the forecast, but the fact .... these are different things ....


          Quote: Yarbay
          And do this intelligence flight every day?


          Before each scheduled flight at the airport. If you fly or fly, then no ... you follow the directions and there you get a newsletter from the meteo and get to know yourself and analyze!
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 30 June 2012 15: 26
            +2
            Dear Sergey!
            And in the case of military operations with another state, also a bulletin and own analysis?
            And how can such a heavy analysis do the pilot alone ??
            Then all the pilots are at least doctors of various sciences, there are mathematics and physics, etc. !!
            1. rate 60
              rate 60 30 June 2012 16: 41
              -2
              Yarbay Do you mean Armenia?
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 30 June 2012 16: 43
                +1
                Moreover, Armenia ??
                I do not understand you!
            2. VAF
              VAF 1 July 2012 09: 26
              +2
              Quote: Yarbay
              And in the case of military operations with another state, also a bulletin and own analysis?


              Under the conditions that you are talking about, dear Alikbek, only an analysis based on reports from the meteorological service, and after take-off and departure to the route, your own calculations are still made, to clarify the conditions of combat use and to clarify the target and strike at a given time !


              Quote: Yarbay
              And how can such a heavy analysis do the pilot alone ??


              We studied for this .... Previously, a competition for a place was 40 people .....


              Quote: Yarbay
              Then all the pilots are at least doctors of various sciences, there are mathematics and physics, etc. !!


              Well, this, of course, is an exaggeration, but you need to know a lot ......
      2. TekhnarMAF
        TekhnarMAF 30 June 2012 14: 34
        +6
        Sergey, thank you very much, I wrote, the Guru will come and explain everything.
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 30 June 2012 15: 42
          +7
          Quote: TehnarMAF
          Sergey, thank you very much, I wrote, the Guru will come and explain everything.

          Nikolay, 100% right !!! It is nice that such a specialist is on this site, which is striking is his ability to explain complex things in a simple and accessible language. I caught myself thinking that I am a person far from aviation, after his comments I understand the essence of events, and this is worth a lot in our time.
          1. VAF
            VAF 1 July 2012 10: 33
            0
            Quote: Aleksey67
            I caught myself thinking that I am a person far from aviation, after his comments I understand the essence of events,


            Lesha, dear, sincerely glad, +! drinks fellow good

  6. sanyabasik
    sanyabasik 30 June 2012 13: 24
    +2
    something tells me that the general is cunning ... The commander of the Voronezh air base flies to reconnoiter the weather in Besovets on Su27? Decided to ride the general? How long have our generals begun to fly for weather reconnaissance?
    1. Hysnik-Tsuzoy
      Hysnik-Tsuzoy 30 June 2012 13: 42
      0
      Yes, we rode, so rode. In general, I agree that there are a lot of oddities here: the men could, of course, board a faulty plane, but, on the other hand, it was said that they were doing some kind of aerobatics "figures". Maybe the commander of the airbase, unaccustomed to vomit, disabled the electronics :)). In general, the autopsy will show.
    2. VAF
      VAF 30 June 2012 14: 21
      +7
      Quote: sanyabasik
      something tells me that the general is cunning ...


      Not at all, normal practice, in the good old days, divisional officers very often flew to RP and fly over the RTS and not only with fighters, but also in Long Aviation !!!
    3. VAF
      VAF 30 June 2012 15: 18
      +6
      Quote: sanyabasik
      How long have our generals begun to fly for weather reconnaissance?


      In the two branches of the army in the Aviation and Navy, generals and admirals ... acting commanders and therefore .... and fly ..... and go to the BZ !!!
      1. 755962
        755962 30 June 2012 18: 24
        +2
        Sergey, hello! + And it does not depend on the rank and position? If I understand you correctly, then the Air Force commander himself can pilot the board? And will this be common practice?
        1. VAF
          VAF 1 July 2012 09: 29
          +2
          Quote: 755962
          And it does not depend on the rank and position? If I understand you correctly, then the Air Force commander himself can pilot the board? And will this be common practice?


          Absolutely, +! drinks It all depends on health and tolerance, and everyone flies, right up to the Air Force Commander-in-Chief, I will not upload photos, the connection is bad. you can take my word for it! drinks
  7. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 30 June 2012 13: 31
    +9
    Recently, it has become fashionable for us to make extreme not only pilots, but also individual types of aircraft. Soon there will be nothing to fly at all. The country produces less and less new aircraft. Yes, and even no one to fly on them. The training in Russia of both military and civilian pilots is becoming problematic.
    In the USSR, one and a half dozen flight schools and two dozen UAC annually “delivered” 5 to 6 thousand pilots to the Air Force, last year 25 cadets were accepted into the only Russian flight school, of which, according to statistics, about 15 will remain for graduation.
    In the USSR there were funds for the construction of thousands of airdromes, in Russia for some reason they haven’t been for decades to support the two hundred remaining in service, now their number is “optimized” to two dozen. Etc. etc. Or else there will be ...
    1. qwz_qwz
      qwz_qwz 30 June 2012 14: 00
      +3
      Quote: AleksUkr
      The training in Russia of both military and civilian pilots is becoming problematic.

      Well, now all schoolchildren are "smart" - they want to become lawyers and economists ...
      1. Antibrim
        Antibrim 30 June 2012 14: 48
        +2
        Th for stupidity, if they recruit 25 people a year, they want much more, but those who really want do not always have such opportunities. and in our country they put a bolt on the training of military men, like we’re not going to fight.
    2. VAF
      VAF 30 June 2012 14: 23
      +6
      Quote: AleksUkr
      The training in Russia of both military and civilian pilots is becoming problematic.


      Just does not become, but BECAME a problem !!!! This is with the military, and with citizens it has already been like 10 .... on the face! +! recourse
      1. 755962
        755962 30 June 2012 18: 26
        +3
        What will happen to the educational base and the educational process is scary to think! I wonder what kind of competition is now in a specialized university?
        1. VAF
          VAF 1 July 2012 09: 33
          +2
          Quote: 755962
          What will happen to the training base and the learning process,


          Here absolutely right, +!

          And what kind of competition is it for the only Krasnodar and helicopter Syzranskoe remaining so far ... I have no idea, but the set is scanty, especially for airplanes!
    3. Volkhov
      Volkhov 30 June 2012 18: 26
      +1
      The government knows well about the geophysical catastrophe next year, but unlike me, it does not speak Russian, because the Hasidim’s faith ... the sales department is actively working in the Moscow Region, and they don’t worry about training planned dead people, and this is quite logical.
      1. sealord
        sealord 30 June 2012 19: 49
        +2
        Any idiocy becomes logical when viewed from the right point of view (not from the Great) feel
  8. Msergio
    Msergio 30 June 2012 13: 33
    +2
    Quote: sanyabasik
    something tells me that the general is cunning ... The commander of the Voronezh air base flies to reconnoiter the weather in Besovets on Su27? Decided to ride the general? How long have our generals begun to fly for weather reconnaissance?

    But don't ask stupid questions am
    1. VAF
      VAF 30 June 2012 14: 25
      +4
      Quote: MSergio
      But don't ask stupid questions


      Well done, +! One could even add .... not very smart questions, +! good
  9. Midshipman
    Midshipman 30 June 2012 13: 35
    -3
    It seems that the general decided to show his coolness to his subordinates and as a result fell on takeoff into a tailspin
    1. TekhnarMAF
      TekhnarMAF 30 June 2012 14: 45
      +2
      Midshipman Judging by the name, are you a marine science student? Well then you babble nonsense! Read carefully when approaching. And yet, the flight general is no exception, but the rule! Staff sharkuns do not become generals of flight units, this is AXIOM
      1. Midshipman
        Midshipman 30 June 2012 17: 15
        0
        You, too, would not hurt to be more attentive - "All this happened during the climb during the approach" is it normal for you? He's like a fly to land on the ceiling from a coup. "Flight general" does not mean anything, even if this is so, then no general has the opportunity to regularly engage in flight practice, and accordingly the probability of making a mistake is higher.
        1. 755962
          755962 30 June 2012 18: 28
          +3
          It’s interesting whether there is a specific flight schedule for higher aviation personnel?
          1. Aleksey67
            Aleksey67 30 June 2012 18: 36
            +3
            Quote: 755962
            It’s interesting whether there is a specific flight schedule for higher aviation personnel?

            If you have permission to pilot certain types of aircraft and medical clearance ... wink
          2. VAF
            VAF 1 July 2012 09: 53
            +2
            Quote: 755962
            Is there a specific flight schedule for higher aviation personnel?


            Eugene, no, +! Everything is exactly the same as for any pilot. The same tolerances and breaks, and if the new type, then the exact same KBP retraining program - no privileges and concessions, regardless of the current level of training!
        2. VAF
          VAF 1 July 2012 09: 42
          +3
          Quote: Midshipman
          He is like a fly


          Do not "grieve" the fly .... it is the same for the flight crew .... fellow

          Quote: Midshipman
          to sit on the ceiling from the coup.


          Absolutely misleading ...... fool

          The fly performs the following types of maneuvers when landing on the ceiling:

          1. Half loop.
          2. Half a barrel.
          3. Combat U-turn.
          4. Oblique loop.
          5. Ascending spiral.
          6. "Abrocadabra" (spiral bend).
          7. Cobra Pugacheva.

          But the "takeoff from the ceiling" (departure):

          1. The coup.
          2. The downward spiral
          3. Well, with a big stretch can be expressed as .... half loop
          yes
          Yours faithfully,
  10. anchonsha
    anchonsha 30 June 2012 13: 38
    +2
    You just need to wait for the conclusions of experts, and then draw conclusions ....
    1. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 30 June 2012 16: 40
      0
      We'll see the conclusions of the commission, because in my memory the pilot was always to blame, for the military, for the most part, everything was different!
  11. firever3000
    firever3000 30 June 2012 13: 46
    +1
    SU-27 crashed - stop flights until the reasons are clarified, and so every time, and cars crash every day. may also not go - until the reasons are clarified ... sad
    1. VAF
      VAF 30 June 2012 14: 29
      +3
      Quote: fayver3000
      and cars crash everyday. may also not go - until the reasons are clarified ...


      Kindergarten, dear, around the corner .... on other sites ....-! am
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 1 July 2012 10: 42
        0
        But the SU-27 is a time-tested machine, it’s not some T-50. There, for a long time, all the shortcomings and design errors have been eliminated. Why did the flights stop?
  12. sergey4920
    sergey4920 30 June 2012 14: 01
    -5
    Strange ... the whole general, the whole world claims the causes of the accident ...... Maybe he is not a Russian general ... ??????
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 30 June 2012 14: 15
      -3
      Quote: sergey4920
      general, the whole world declares the causes of the accident

      It’s necessary to otmazatsya ..
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 30 June 2012 14: 59
      +4
      Russian general !!
      Judging by the name and surname-kazakh!
      1. 755962
        755962 30 June 2012 18: 31
        +3
        Well, the flight crew so far, I think, does not consist of only Russian citizens. Or is it not?
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 30 June 2012 18: 35
          +4
          Quote: 755962
          Well, the flight crew so far, I think, does not consist of only Russian citizens. Or is it not?

          The flight crew is, by definition, officers !!! winked But because I think your definition is wrong, there should be no guest workers in Russia winked
          1. 755962
            755962 30 June 2012 20: 49
            +3
            Quote: Aleksey67
            I think your definition is wrong,

            Major Botashev Kanamat Khuseevich is from the USSR. From the aul, NEW TERBERD IN THE REPUBLIC OF KARACHAYEVO-CHERKESIA. Well, one might say that not only Russians are in flight ... I confess I didn’t say exactly what about the citizens. drinks
            1. Aleksey67
              Aleksey67 30 June 2012 20: 54
              +3
              Quote: 755962
              Major Botashev Kanamat Huseyevich hails from the USSR

              Then they were not divided into nationalities and nationalities laughing
              Quote: 755962
              .From aul NEW TERBER In the Republic of Karachay-Cherkessia

              It's Russia!!! wink
              Karachay-Cherkess Republic (Karachay-Cherkessia; Abaz. Karcha-Cherkes Republic, Karach.-Bal. Karachay-Cherkes Republic, foot. Karashai-Sherkesh Respubliki, Kabard. republic as part of the Russian Federation [5], subject of the Russian Federation, is part of the North Caucasus Federal District.


              Quote: 755962
              . Well, one can say that not from some Russians the flight personnel .. I confess I did not exactly put it about citizens.

              And yet you are mistaken .... wink
              1. 755962
                755962 30 June 2012 21: 01
                +4
                We give in .... drinks
                1. Aleksey67
                  Aleksey67 30 June 2012 21: 14
                  +3
                  Quote: 755962
                  We rent ..

                  Zhen, what an alarmist. The comrade pointed out to the comrade his mistake and no more. "+" Friend (you) of my friend (veteran) my friend drinks But I will correct if you make a mistake wink
                  1. 755962
                    755962 30 June 2012 23: 28
                    +2
                    Thank you for your support! As the wise said, "He who does not do anything is not mistaken." This is a forum. An arena for discussions. Today is the day of the city. Noisy, fun, on the square "Nogu svelo" - ignites ... a lot of people ... But someone minuses .. quietly! Someone hurt .. Well, okay ... drinks
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 1 July 2012 10: 04
                      +2
                      Quote: 755962
                      . Noisy, fun, on the square "Nogu svelo" - ignites ... a lot of people.


                      Zheka, happy ... but don't take too much ...... "... on your chest", all the more so because you're a bachelor, eh "? +! drinks


                      Quote: 755962
                      But someone is minus ... quietly! Someone hurt .. Well oh well.


                      Well, how do you want .... "the world is not without good people" !!! wassat
                  2. VAF
                    VAF 1 July 2012 10: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: Aleksey67
                    "+" Friend (you) of my friend (veteran) my friend


                    I both of you very much KU !!!! +! drinks


                    Quote: Aleksey67
                    But I will correct if you make a mistake


                    ".... but the truth is more precious"! drinks
                2. VAF
                  VAF 1 July 2012 10: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: 755962
                  We rent.


                  Zheka, Russians don't give up, +! But you can admit the "mistake" !!! drinks
            2. VAF
              VAF 1 July 2012 10: 00
              0
              Quote: 755962
              Well, one can say that the flight crew is not one of the Russians .. I confess I didn’t exactly put it about citizens.


              Zhenya, so naturally, in Soz there were 15 republics !!! +!

              Talboev, Aubakirov, Takhtarov, Sattarov, Tsoi, Stankevichus, Apakidze .... the example is certainly not correct, but on the topic - Dudaev, etc. the list is very huge!
          2. VAF
            VAF 1 July 2012 09: 57
            +1
            Quote: Aleksey67
            But because I think your definition is wrong, there should be no guest workers in Russia


            Lyosha, welcome +! You think it's absolutely correct ... but with such a rate of replenishment of the flight personnel as now ... ... we can even reach this ... though we, the military are still not soon, but the citizens are quite real ... ... already on this occasion, for 5 years, the discussion has been going on ... well, "... things are still there ..."!
        2. VAF
          VAF 1 July 2012 09: 55
          +1
          Quote: 755962
          Well, the flight crew so far, I think, does not consist of only Russian citizens.


          Eugene, as you put it is not very clear ???? recourse

          You forget that we all came from the Union!
          1. 755962
            755962 2 July 2012 09: 07
            +2
            I just wanted to fix Alibeka
            Quote: Yarbay
            Russian general !!
            Judging by the name and surname of the cases!

            and that’s all. And then such a discussion started .... But still, men thank you all for your support! We all come from the USSR!
  13. Gocha kurashvili
    Gocha kurashvili 30 June 2012 14: 35
    +2
    They explained to you what and how .... everything is possible with the flights, even the president sometimes flies)) ... Let's wait for the results, the experts will tell you why.
  14. Pessimist
    Pessimist 30 June 2012 14: 47
    +2
    It seems to me the most important thing - the pilots survived! There are probably many rusting planes in warehouses, but fighter pilots cannot be restored from the warehouse ...
  15. Antibrim
    Antibrim 30 June 2012 14: 49
    +3
    and the plane is probably some kind of 91 model year, and the last repair of the year was in 2006. Of course, technology could not refuse, the pilots are always to blame. it’s easier to blame on them than to admit that the technology is coming. And the pilots will soon be all too old if such a pace of training remains
  16. Cadet787
    Cadet787 30 June 2012 17: 26
    +3
    I heard clever conclusions only from the veteran of the air force, that is, Sergei, the rest would have been tactful to keep silent before the conclusions of the commission.
  17. uizik
    uizik 30 June 2012 19: 10
    +1
    If imported components are used in aircraft electronics, then there is no need to explain anything.
  18. cord
    cord 30 June 2012 19: 32
    +2
    Stability. Exactly once a month something Russian falls from the sky. It’s so simple, and ALL electronics failed. After that, libels about "the best and unparalleled world" sound like a subtle mockery.
  19. Little thing
    Little thing 30 June 2012 20: 17
    +1
    and non-Russian apparently does not fall? lol
    1. cord
      cord 30 June 2012 21: 10
      +3
      Why doesn’t it fall? Is falling!

      On February 12, 2012, a plane carrying a government delegation crashed near Bukavu (South Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo). The adviser to the President of the DRC, Augustin Katemba Mwanke, was killed, the Minister of Finance and the Governor of South Kivu were injured.

      On April 2, 2012, at 05:33 Moscow time, 16 km west of the center of Tyumen near the village of Gorkovka, shortly after taking off from Roshchino Airport (4 km from the end of the runway), the passenger plane ATR-72 (flight number VP-BYZ ) UTair Airlines that operated the UT-120 Tyumen-Surgut flight. Onboard there were 39 passengers and 4 crew members. 31 people died.

      On April 6, 2012, the Bell 407 helicopter of Ak Bars Aero Airlines crashed in the Nizhnekamsk district of Tatarstan. The pilot died.
      On April 6, 2012, the SM-2000 light-engine aircraft crashed in the Kaluga Region. Killed all 4 people on board.
      On April 20, 2012, a Boeing 737-200 Bhoja Airline airline operating a Karachi – Islamabad flight crashed near Chaklal Air Base, adjacent to the Pakistani capital’s airport. Killed 127 people: 118 passengers and 9 crew members.
      On April 21, 2012, the twin-engine Curtiss C-46 crashed a few minutes after take-off, flying out of Viru Viru International Airport, the capital of the city department of Santa Cruz, Bolivia. Killed 3 people. Herald Ortiz Senator of the Bolivian Parliament, his father, piloting an aircraft, and a mechanic.
      On April 21, 2012, a Cessna 206 plane flying from Trompillo airport crashed 10 kilometers from the village of Monteagudo Bolivia. The bodies of five people on board were identified. The dead worked in a construction company.
      On April 22, 2012, as a result of a plane crash in the capital of Guatemala, a pilot and two passengers of an aircraft were killed.
      April 26, 2012 near Samara made an emergency landing and the plane "Elitar-202" (Eng.) Russian caught fire. (tail number RA-0186G). The pilot and mechanic died after 2 days in the hospital.
      On April 26, 2012, the Ka-32 helicopter (tail number ER-KGD) crashed near the village of Ostrov in Romania. A helicopter flew to Turkey to extinguish fires. All 5 people on board died.
      On April 28, 2012, a Piper PA-32R Lance / Saratoga plane crashed in Switzerland. (Board number HB-PGA). All 6 people on board died.
      On May 1, 2012, a two-seat plane crashed at the Bemovo airport in Warsaw, two people were killed
      On May 9, 2012, a Sukhoi Superjet 100 crashed during a demonstration flight in Indonesia. There were 45 people on board
      Main article: Air crash in Indonesia on May 9, 2012
      On May 14, 2012, a passenger plane crashed while trying to land at Jomsom Airport, located approx. 200 km northwest of Kathmandu. Onboard there were 18 passengers, 16 of whom are citizens of India, and three crew members. Four injured, are in serious condition, the rest died.
      Main article: Jomsom Crash May 14, 2012
      On May 22, 2012, the Aviatika – MAI – 890 plane crashed near the village of Georgievka, Ponomarevsky District, Orenburg Region. The pilot died.
      On May 31, 2012, the Aviatika – MAI – 890 plane crashed in the vicinity of the village of Strelichovo in the Khoiniki district of the Gomel region. The pilot died.
      On June 3, 2012, when landing, a Boeing 727 flew out of the runway and crashed into a minibus. All 10 people on the bus died, and the crew of the aircraft with various injuries were hospitalized.
      Main article: Plane crash in Nigeria June 3, 2012
      On June 9, 2012, the SP-30 aircraft (reg. No. RA-1708G) made an emergency landing in the Belokalitvinsky district of the Rostov Region. Aviator Igor Makhov died.
      On June 10, 2012, the Let L-410 Turbolet aircraft made a hard emergency landing near Borodyanka, Kiev region, due to bad weather conditions. As a result, of the 20 people on board, 5 people died, 15 were injured.

      Only, as you can see, 90% is falling in various highly developed countries, such as Pakistan, the Republic of Congo, Bolivia, and Russia, which is somehow trying to compete with the USA and Europe with megaprojects, without being able to clean up things yourself inside.

      And here is a list of military casualties in 2012.

      February 13 - Su-24M aircraft of military unit No. 69806 crashed in the Kurgan region, 90 kilometers from the Shagol airfield. The front-line bomber performed a planned training flight from the Uprun airfield in the Chelyabinsk region. Pilots, Colonel Ermakov and Lieutenant Colonel Gostev, successfully ejected

      February 28 - Su-30MK2 aircraft belonging to the aircraft manufacturing plant of Komsomolsk-on-Amur crashed while performing a test flight in the Khabarovsk Territory. Both pilots successfully ejected [3].
      March 12 - the Ka-52 helicopter of the Torzhok center for combat use and retraining of flight personnel crashed during a planned training flight. The machine is completely destroyed. Both pilots died
      .
      May 23 - the An-30B aircraft during a flight under the Open Skies program made a hard landing and caught fire at the military airbase of the city of Chaslav. On board were 23 people, 14 Russians and 9 Czechs. Seven people were injured, two of whom are in serious condition. Six victims were delivered to medical institutions, one person was assisted on the spot. Aircraft cannot be restored

      June 28 - the Su-27UB plane crashed in the Republic of Karelia while performing a training flight. The plane crashed in a forest 14 km from Petrozavodsk. No one was injured on the ground, the pilots successfully ejected.

      As you can see, coupled with civil disasters, the monthly tradition is strictly observed, but nobody bears responsibility for this from the big bosses, for stability.
      1. Little thing
        Little thing 30 June 2012 22: 02
        +1
        something you bypassed the planes crashed in the states
      2. MI-AS-72
        MI-AS-72 30 June 2012 22: 20
        +1
        If you are not too lazy, go to the ICAO website for flight safety and you will be very surprised that Russia has been among the 5 most successful aviation powers for almost all years.
  20. suharev-52
    suharev-52 30 June 2012 22: 02
    +1
    Sergey, many thanks for the detailed explanation. I'm afraid only flyers will be made extreme. As always happens with us. And high bosses will rise even higher. Sincerely.
  21. MI-AS-72
    MI-AS-72 30 June 2012 22: 14
    +3
    Failure of EDSU, 3-fold redundancy, this was not even during the development of SU-27. But the general in the cockpit is normal, maybe he received or confirmed access, he is primarily a pilot, and in military aviation only the commanders of the air armies were limited in flight.
    1. sanyabasik
      sanyabasik 30 June 2012 23: 43
      0
      Let him get a "clearance", but not for weather exploration ..
    2. VAF
      VAF 1 July 2012 10: 07
      0
      Quote: MI-AS-72
      Failure of EDSU, 3-fold redundancy,


      4 times, dear!


      Quote: MI-AS-72
      this was not even during the development of the SU-27.


      It was and often, read the comments in the previous article, the very first on this topic, I will not repeat!

      Quote: MI-AS-72
      and in military aviation, only the commanders of the air armies were limited in flight.


      NEVER this was !!!
  22. mind1954
    mind1954 1 July 2012 02: 53
    +2
    Explain to the dark man, please?
    Bird, surge ..., and the element base there, whose ???
    1. VAF
      VAF 1 July 2012 10: 13
      0
      Quote: mind1954
      and the element base there whose ???


      Ours is ours, don’t worry .... +!
  23. Alexei-
    Alexei- 1 July 2012 09: 38
    +2
    ".... and get in touch with the search group." .... go and get in touch like our armored beads: in R-173yu he will sing for decency (BREM begging), then he will get his cell phone, - comrade major, what the fuck , an hour and a half on the belly, and this dude is not even visible on the air ... throw off the number, plizzzz))))))
    Z.Y. For two beaten, four not beaten give ... Well done, that are alive !!
    1. VAF
      VAF 1 July 2012 10: 12
      +1
      Quote: Alex-
      ".... and get in touch with the search group." .... go get in touch like our armor-plates:


      You are mistaken, dear, it’s easier for us .... when bailing out and when you have already left the chair, you strike NAZ and the emergency beacon is immediately put into operation, but when you land from Naz, you get Komar and get in touch at the emergency frequency, the main thing is that The surf was charged, but if you took a mobile with you, then this is easiest.

      But at such a range, you can freely and directly contact the RP at an emergency frequency!

      And humor, good, +! drinks
  24. Larus
    Larus 1 July 2012 10: 19
    +1
    The main thing is that the pilots would not be blamed as always. And it turns out that, yes, the equipment refused, but the pilots are to blame for the human factor .......
  25. sf35wesdg
    sf35wesdg 1 July 2012 11: 21
    0
    What is being done with the country where the authorities are looking?
    I somehow accidentally stumbled upon a site for finding people http://tiny.cc/nayti
    Here you can find information about any resident of Russia, Ukraine and other CIS countries.
    I'm really scared - twist like that any nit-picking can come in and see.
    Addresses, best friends, relatives, above all, for example, there are my photos, phone number.
    It’s good that you can delete, find your page - pass the check and delete
    And then there is nobody who is looking for ...
  26. MI-AS-72
    MI-AS-72 1 July 2012 11: 32
    -1
    Quote: veteran.air force
    NEVER this was !!!

    1988-89, Mr. Shaposhnikov remember this 16 VA himself brought the order on restrictions on complex species for KVA. According to the EMF, is it not on the SU-27 that it is to improve the handling characteristics in critical modes, but the main one is still mechanical?
  27. Shumer
    Shumer 1 July 2012 14: 05
    +1
    "Major General Kanamat Botashev said that the cause of the incident was a sudden failure of all aircraft systems during its approach to the airfield in the village of Nizhniy Besovets." - - - lads, it's like, EVERYTHING REFUSED - electronics, hydraulics, power equipment, motors, backup power supplies (hydraulic accumulators, electric accumulators) - is this some kind of garbage, or I don't understand what?
  28. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 2 July 2012 02: 44
    +1
    The title of the article is more reminiscent of some kind of "Brand"
    "A terrible secret of a pilot that horrified the whole country" or "You should know this" or "Horror in the sky" and so on.
    And there are two reasons
    Failure of equipment or in the actions of pilots
    The boxes were found, now they are decrypted, modeled, they will select what is possible or what they want to show us. Then someone will blabber to the fullest. Then it will be possible to discuss something based on something.
    And so it’s not clear - the pilot of the ksaz is all the truth, the IC began to understand, but a criminal case has already been opened.
    It’s necessary, just in case, to plant pilots and technicians and aircraft builders, for the full picture, and after dismantling to release those whom they will justify.
    And if they don’t find the guilty, we’ll dump everything in Syria’s air defense!
    Then the topic will be for discussion! And at the same time there is an occasion to send troops into Syria, and they will agree and will not refute. Three birds with one stone are killed by 1. Advertising on their air defense
    2: Security from NATO at the expense of our troops
    3. Under the guise, they also bring order inside.
  29. Sokol57
    Sokol57 2 July 2012 10: 29
    +1
    But haven't the Chinese details failed ??????
    And then they are like shas everywhere ... in our companions, the Americans in technology ....
  30. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 2 July 2012 21: 01
    +1
    Fine good ... And then here we have already some kind of zhurnalyugi let the bike go, that the general and the colonel became ill and decided to fly ... am
    I’ll throw a link to this article so that the fools wipe away ... am
  31. TOPOP
    TOPOP 26 May 2022 13: 25
    -1
    In the war in Ukraine, the 25-year-old retired Major General of the Russian Air Force (Air Force) Kanamat Botashev, who in 63 received a four-year suspended sentence for the crashed Su-2013 fighter, died at the helm of the Su-27.

    The crash of the Russian Su-25 attack aircraft was reported on May 22 by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The pilot did not have time to eject.