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Hunting fought back almost immediately. Russian cavalry against Austro-Hungarian

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So, business card of the imperial cavalry - horse attacks, had a number of prerequisites, in the presence of which was successful (see Surprise as a success factor for horse attack). But, reading about the numerous cavalry attacks of the Russian cavalry, the reader probably unwittingly wondered: where is that German cavalry, which the Germans were so proud of in peacetime, where is the dashing Hungarian cavalry on the elegant Hungarian Anglo-Arabs?



Austro-Hungarian Lancers patrol in Galicia, 1914


She rarely appeared on the battlefield, almost did not attack in the equestrian ranks, and when she took on Russian horse attacks, she was mercilessly destroyed.

There are many reasons. And the first reason is that neither the Hungarian, nor the Austrian, nor, the more so, the German cavalrymen did not have that bold spirit, that high burst of selflessness and courage, which Russian cavalrymen fully possessed. In many ways, this forced them to dodge horse attacks and, accordingly, melee fights.

But the Austro-Hungarian cavalry, unlike its ally, at the beginning of the war, tried to act actively - valiantly attacking the Russians and taking horseback attacks.

Hunting fought back almost immediately. Russian cavalry against Austro-Hungarian

Austro-Hungarian 7 Hussars


Knight attacks


We can recall the brilliant attacks of the Hungarian hussars on the Leib-Borodinsky regiment of Vladimir-Volynsky at the very end of July 1914. But the high impulse, the insanity of the brave was useless. Borodino with resilience and courage, the natural qualities of the Russian infantry, took the attack. Against them, brilliant hussars line up behind the field. The hussar mentikas sparkle in the sun, the red pants, the horses snort and rush for the line behind the gray infantry trenches. Rush to lie down, oblique fire rifles and machine guns. Hussars scattering across the field rush back, they are collected again - and again they lead to a disastrous attack, then again and again.





What was it done for and what did the Austro-Hungarian chief want to prove with this? What attack of cavalry against infantry is impossible? If the latter is vain, for the Russian cavalry and Cossack attacks, which destroyed the Austrian and German divisions and took prisoners by the thousands, proved quite the opposite.

We can recall the battle at Satanov (Gorodok) - one of the most prominent cavalry clashes in the First World War (See Tychotsky E. Attack of the Austro-Hungarian Cavalry on the 2-th Consolidated Cossack Division under the m. Gorodok 4 - 17 August 1914 Belgrade, 1930.). The 16-th Don and 1-th Linear Cossack regiments of the division of Lieutenant-General A. A. Pavlov defeated the Austro-Hungarian 5 th Cavalry drove division and utterly defeated the enemy.

And you can also mention the cavalry battle of the Russian 10 and Austro-Hungarian 4 cavalry divisions (Slivinsky A. Equestrian Fight of 10 Cavalry Division of General Count Keller 8 / 21 August 1914 of the village of Yaroslavitsy. Serbia, 1921.). Eyewitnesses recalled that as blue cornflowers descended along a green-yellow field line after line Austrian cavalrymen. They moved down a steep hillside, and the Ingermanland hussars and Orenburg Cossacks rushed towards them. Both the hussars and the Cossacks were so small that at one time the whole field seemed blue and only in some places among the blue of the enemy uniforms with gray-green blotches flashed the hussars and Cossacks. It was as if they were absorbed by the mass of cavalrymen of the enemy, surrounded by Austrians, but they stabbed and chopped up the enemy in the way that F. Keller taught them in peacetime - and as the groups of cavalrymen converged and dispersed, more and more of the defeated were observed on the land of the immovable Austrians and gray-green Russians became increasingly clear in this field. And the Austrian cavalrymen could not stand the beatings - and they began to retreat, pursued by the Ingermanlanders. A new wave of Austrian squadrons descends from the hills, but the friendly lava of the Orenburg people rushes on small horses to the flank - and the remnants of the Austrian division “seem to be rear”.



How can such a thing happen that the Austro-Hungarian cavalry was so easily and mercilessly destroyed by Russian cavalrymen and Cossacks, who often sat on small and outbred horses, no less strong, beautiful horse and personnel, brought up in a knightly spirit?

An eyewitness recalled how the 17 Cossacks of the 4, hundreds of 10s of the Don Cossack Regiment under the command of Podhorunzhi Fomin, rushed to the squadron of about eighty Austrian ulans. The Austrians accepted this attack. For a few moments, the Cossacks completely dissolved in the blue mass of lancers. I heard a clank weapons and moans. But then the squadron began to depart, leaving the 20 to be chopped up and battered on the battlefield. The rest galloped off. What happened? An eyewitness, a Russian officer, wrote: “Have you seen heavy straight Austrian sabers, like broadswords, resembling our sea broadswords? They are made of bad iron, they are poorly honed. The Austrians do not know how to chop them, and, surrounded by the Cossacks, they did only “defense” against the rush and checkers, and, of course, could not defend themselves against the powerful blows of the Cossacks. And how strong these blows were, they showed the corpses of people, among whom we saw people cut from neck to waist along.
“We would cut them all down,” the Cossacks would say, “but you can’t cut a fur menentum with them, so they’ll have a checker in it, until you’ve guessed to chop it in your face, and they have already started to flow away.”



Yet, in fact, the Hungarian hussars turned out to be the only equivalent opponent of the Russian Cossacks who took the blow. Cossack officer noted that "Hungarians are able to fight!". And he wrote that after the end of the war, when the facts and the names of the heroes arose in the halo of glory, the Hungarians, who fought with lions, would greatly help the glory of the Russian cavalry regiments. He recalled the debut of the Hungarian division, on hot horses, in colored boughs and bright baked lights burning in the sun on Russian rifle chains and trenches. The earth rumbled, and stupid bullets rushed toward the Hungarians by the thousands — people and horses were knocking under the bites. The shrapnel line was melting the air, and behind the last avalanche more and more bright spots remained on the ground. But she stubbornly walked. Already visible are the long sparks of the broadswords and the career of horse-sweeping horse bodies. What a proud, wonderful picture it was! The land groaned before the trenches, and the arrows, who could not stop the approaching shaft with fire, hurriedly left the trenches to the edge of the forest, which was behind the positions - so that with the help of thick trees they could try to stop the mad knightly tide ...
And the knights all went on !!

And at the last moment, when the forward horses of the Hungarians, with powerful throws, were already jumping over the trenches left - the earth again buzzed to the left ...
And a new avalanche with a hesitating long stubble peak peaked to the Hungarians in the flank - leaning on the necks of horses racing at full speed with one desire - scrape and kill! ..

The cavalry knocked down ... And 2 hours - a bloody mess of people, horses, blows and splashes of blood ...
Many of us, noted the Cossack officer, who received heavy blows of broadswords, can be proud of them, because they received blows from true knights, beautiful medieval with their prowess. Initially, the Russian checkers, slid, powerlessly gnashing, on the epaulettes and hard hats of the Hungarians ... And then, having realized what was the matter, the checkers began to beat the Hungarians around their necks to their faces, crushing the cartilage, tousled skin and deeply penetrating muscles ...
But the Hungarians did not yawn either. And God forbid, the officer exclaimed, to chop up everyone as much as, for example, one Hungarian hussar chopped up - he smashed the muzzle pad on his rifle and drove his heavy long sword onto a whole nail into the steel of a rifle barrel. This blow can be appreciated only by those who know what cutting is. But to a hussar, this blow cost life - which the blade spiked out of it ... All participants in this battle of the knights are brave. But after this case, which cost the Hungarians of almost the entire division, there are no more major fights (Sayan L. Three months in battle. Diary of a Cossack officer. M., 1915. C. 119-121).

The enemy cavalry did not accept large-scale Russian cavalry attacks anymore.



Germanic peaks


In the battle of 24 February, 1915 near the villages. The right-wing observation post of 6 of hundreds of 10 of the Don Cossack regiment, centurion Ushakov discovered the ruins of the German 20 Cavalry Division 8 Dragoon Regiment at the ruins of the 5 distillery. Cossacks were only 12. But, faithful to the precepts of the 10 regiment, always attacking, apart from enemies, the Cossacks rushed along the snow-covered beams and hills to the factory. The Germans mounted horses, built a front, raised peaks above their heads, as if threatening to attack. And the next moment ... The next moment, they, as if on command, threw peaks on the ground - and jumped from the Cossacks. The Cossacks managed to overtake two Germans - and they were destroyed. 20 peak became the prey of the Cossacks.

And there are dozens of similar cases.

The ending should ...
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Surprise as a success factor for horse attack
Commander's determination is the key to a successful horse attack
Natural and artificial obstacles - the mortal enemy of the cavalry
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  1. K-50
    K-50 20 June 2019 07: 44 New
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    An eyewitness recalled how 17 Cossacks of the 4th Hundred of the 10th Don Cossack Regiment, under the command of Undermate Fomin, rushed to the squadron of about eighty Austrian lancers. “Have you seen heavy straight Austrian sabers, like broadswords, reminiscent of our sea broadswords?” They are made of bad iron, they are poorly honed. The Austrians completely do not know how to chop, and surrounded by Cossacks

    Yeah, 17 people surrounded 8 dozen! what
    Another picture test "Fight at Vladimir-Volynsky." Each soldier has a machine gun in the chain when they were practically gone, because the generals considered them to be "cartridge eaters." But the ruined lives of Russian soldiers were not considered. sad
    1. AK64
      AK64 20 June 2019 08: 33 New
      -10
      Each soldier has a machine gun in the chain when they were practically gone, because the generals considered them to be "cartridge eaters." But the ruined lives of Russian soldiers were not considered.

      \ sighs \
      oh these tales to me .... Well, how do you know what the generals believed there?

      So, the generals thought like this:
      1 machine gun is 250-300 rounds per minute. (combat rate of fire - not to be confused with the rate of fire)
      this is the equivalent of 10-12 shooters (25 rounds per min each), with the difference that 10 shooters in an attack are still noticeably better than 1 machine gun. And the trained shooter fires these 25 shots with the same aim. each.
      This is how the generals believed, and not only the Russian generals: the French and English believed about the same.

      And not a word about "cartridges devouring"--- cartridges could only bother the Chinese, and even then .... even about the Chinese tales it

      A machine gun is primarily a method of saving your manpower in defense (3 machine gunners = 12 shooters), and only ..
      1. K-50
        K-50 20 June 2019 08: 53 New
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        Quote: AK64
        25 rounds per min each

        For your information, the infantryman’s wearable ammunition at the beginning of the WWII was 30 rounds per day !!! hi
        1. AK64
          AK64 20 June 2019 18: 09 New
          +1
          30 is under Peter 1.
          Everything is right with you - only times are a bit confused. Not the 1914th, but the 1714th.
      2. yehat
        yehat 20 June 2019 17: 34 New
        0
        Quote: AK64
        only..

        well, firstly, 25 sighting shots per minute - it's some kind of tin,
        even from a self-loading rifle with optics.
        And of the three-line - even more so. More real is 5-6.
        Secondly, the machine guns were different for different needs.
        there were light machine guns in the cavalry to shoot on the go
        there were easel maxims, which just mowed down mainly infantry.
        There were other machine guns.
        but if we turn the discussion to maxim, then it replaced the fire of 2 infantry squads, about 20-25 people and was perfect for defensive fire, as well as sometimes for shelling guns.
        And this is essential.
        1. AK64
          AK64 20 June 2019 18: 20 New
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          well, firstly, 25 sighting shots per minute - it's some kind of tin,

          This is the passport rate of fire of the average magazine (20-25 rounds per minute). And “some kind of tin” is 52 rounds per minute.
          And of the three-line - even more so. More real is 5-6.

          Trained infantry from a berdank 10 did in a minute. With the repulsion of cavalry attacks.
          Secondly, the machine guns were different for different needs.

          Before PMV ??? Oh well
          there were light machine guns in the cavalry to shoot on the go

          I don’t read everything further: fairy tales of the peoples of the world began.
      3. rayruav
        rayruav 20 June 2019 20: 36 New
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        ak64 why did everyone draw conclusions and in Russia not so
        1. AK64
          AK64 20 June 2019 21: 19 New
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          ak64 why did everyone draw conclusions and in Russia not so

          why talk about what you don’t know? The Russians still made all the conclusions in the REV: On the 1914th, Russia was ahead of the European armies in the number of machine guns per division: Russia - 32 machine guns, England, France, Germany, Austria-Hungary - 24 each, USA - 18, Italy - 8
          And the total number of machine guns in the 14th in Russia was approximately equal to the French and significantly more than the British or Austrians. (Only the Germans were ahead.) Just the production capabilities are not the same for everyone --- and THEY possessing greater production capabilities, we were able to catch up and overtake.

          Maxim machine guns (and machine guns in general) in Russia could be made by ONE plant - TOZ.
          Issue: 828 pcs. in the second half of 1914, 4 pcs. - in 251, 1915 pcs. in 11, 072 pcs. - in 1916. At the beginning of the war, machine guns in Russia did not suffice even in comparison with plans: about 11% of the planned was missing.

          And so forth ...

          In general, one should not mock the ancestors - they did not deserve it. You just need to ask: did they have opportunities?
          1. Mikhail Matyugin
            Mikhail Matyugin 23 June 2019 01: 37 New
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            Quote: AK64
            Why talk about what you do not know? The Russians still made all the conclusions in RIA: On the 1914, Russia was ahead of the European armies in terms of the number of machine guns per division: Russia - 32 machine guns, England, France, Germany, Austria-Hungary - in 24, USA - 18, Italy - 8

            Unfortunately, yes, smart people in the Russian Imperial Army made conclusions. But the higher generals and quartermaster in the headquarters did not change anything. The result - a bloody vortex of the First World ...
            1. Dalton
              Dalton 23 June 2019 09: 18 New
              +10
              All made conclusions, and Russia is one of the first. Supreme General ...
              Everything was fine, with tactics and everything else at the level or one step ahead
              The result - a bloody whirlwind of the First World War

              bloody for all
    2. heavy division
      heavy division 20 June 2019 08: 36 New
      +13
      Yeah, 17 people surrounded 8 dozen!

      how do we read ??
      17 Cossacks of the 4th Hundred of the 10th Don Cossack Regiment under the command of Undermate Fomin rushed to the squadron of eighty Austrian lancers.
      и
      A few moments Cossacks completely dissolved in the blue mass of Lancer.

      that is, vice versa - Austrian Lancers surrounded the Cossacks And the Cossacks not only fought back, but also dispersed and put to flight more than a numerical enemy
      Another picture test "Fight at Vladimir-Volynsky." Each soldier has a machine gun chain

      This is a popular print, is it not clear. The same popular print as your comment, in which you write bloody rubbish, and even then you do not blush, because you have already seen shame for a long time)
      How was that machine guns gone? In the Russian infantry division for 1914, which we are talking about, there are 32 easel machine guns (4 8-machine gun regimental teams). In the German infantry division at this time (for comparison) - 24 machine guns.
      But the ruined lives of Russian soldiers were not considered

      you confuse it with the Soviet time, with some Rzhev.
      and in relation to the article that we are commenting on, the Austrians didn’t just consider ruined lives, who so ineptly attacked Vladimir Volynsky in the picture that you liked so much)
      1. K-50
        K-50 20 June 2019 08: 55 New
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        Quote: heavy division
        This is a popular print, is it not clear. The same popular print as your comment

        Your campaign began a hard day. exhale, calm down.
        About the environment of 17 Cossacks, 8 dozen Austrians, then in the article, from the recollections of an eyewitness.
        But the ruined lives of Russian soldiers were not considered
        you confuse it with the Soviet time, with some Rzhev.

        Did you read anything about PMV?
        There, not only companies were "burned out" during the attack, there the regiments were destroyed by machine gun fire first, and Russian companies, battalions, regiments, by German-Austrian machine guns. So your collision, collision is not justified by anything, as they say, learn the materiel, read the source.
        That the picture is popular, and so it is clear. Than you didn’t like my comment and where you saw about rubbish so drink less. yes
        Have a nice day. hi
        1. heavy division
          heavy division 20 June 2019 09: 03 New
          +13
          Day and you have a good K-50 (Alex) hi
          but I turned your attention to crap, I’ll repeat it if you still don’t understand.
          1) you wrote 17 people surrounded 8 dozens, and vice versa - 17 Cossacks "drowned" in a crowd of 80 Austrians, and still they were beaten
          2) you wrote - Each soldier has a machine gun in a chain, when there were practically none. And there were more of them in '14 - than even the Germans.
          3) You wrote - the ruined lives of Russian soldiers were not considered. I noted that you mixed up the era. And the Austrians did not consider the subject of the article. And much more abruptly they were not considered by the British, French and Germans.
          Well, and since your comment consists entirely of blunders and lies, I was a little outraged.
          So exhale and calm down. Good luck drinks
          1. K-50
            K-50 20 June 2019 09: 07 New
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            An eyewitness recalled how 17 Cossacks of the 4th hundred of the 10th Don Cossack Regiment, under the command of the under-guard Fomin, rushed to the squadron of about eighty Austrian lancers ... The Austrians were completely unable to cut them, and, surrounded by Cossacks, they did only “defense” from peak and checkers, and, of course, could not defend themselves from the mighty blows of the Cossacks.

            This is an article. All questions to the author.
            You wrote - you didn’t consider the ruined lives of Russian soldiers. I noted that you mixed up the era. And the Austrians did not consider the subject of the article. And much more abruptly they were not considered by the British, French and Germans.

            I generally violet about the Austrians, Germans, French and other accused.
            The expression "Russian women still give birth" appeared precisely in the WWI, when the Russian infantry poured thick chains on the entrenched enemy with machine guns and artillery, when after the battle the officers went to shoot in the bushes, it was a shame for mediocre human lives, after having drunk. It was during the first year of the war that the most combat-ready part of the Russian army was destroyed, since the best units were stationed in the western direction.
            In the end, this led to almost universal mobilization, which helped various revolutionaries to unravel soldiers and surrender, namely surrender to Germany, and immerse Russia in revolution and civil war.
            Without huge losses and fear of the newly called to be killed, it became possible to forget about the oath.
            1. denatured alcohol
              denatured alcohol 20 June 2019 09: 16 New
              +12
              What are you breaching K50. It was a different quote, a swindler.
              17 Cossacks of the 4th Hundred of the 10th Don Cossack Regiment, under the command of Undermate Fomin, rushed to the squadron of about eighty Austrian lancers. The Austrians took this attack. For a few moments the Cossacks completely disappeared into the blue mass of the lancer.

              To which author. Where did you see in quotation about the surroundings of the Austrians by the Cossacks?
              This was exactly what we were talking about. Why juggle?
              1. Brutan
                Brutan 20 June 2019 09: 55 New
                +10
                He did not understand this K50, that the quote about the cabin of the Austrians and Cossacks (which refers to the specifics of weapons) does not necessarily refer to episode 17/80. She just follows.
                I think I pretended not to understand.
          2. heavy division
            heavy division 20 June 2019 09: 10 New
            +16
            All that you know how to K50, in a thieves manner, quietly, moderately remodel the comments so to speak
            Well, so I’ll explain that this is your opus
            There, not only companies were "burned out" during the attack, there the regiments were destroyed by machine gun fire first, and Russian companies, battalions, regiments, by German-Austrian machine guns. So your collision, collision is not justified by anything, as they say, learn the materiel, read the source.

            refers specifically to you. Teach materiel, cram documents that you haven’t seen in your eyes, since you write on the materials of Wikipedia, and then maybe it will reach you that all the infantry burned down, not only Russian. And not so much under machine gun as under artillery fire. But the Russian army also took these machine guns and cannons in packs. And just as she kneaded her opponents with the same machine-gun and artillery fire.
            and I really liked it
            About the environment of 17 Cossacks, 8 dozen Austrians, then in the article, from the recollections of an eyewitness.

            persist in your lies so it's not even funny
            look at the article
            17 Cossacks of the 4th Hundred of the 10th Don Cossack Regiment, under the command of Undermate Fomin, rushed to the squadron of about eighty Austrian lancers. The Austrians took this attack. For a few moments the Cossacks completely disappeared into the blue mass of the lancer.

            where about the environment of the Austrians by the Cossacks ??
            not shallow Emelya, not your week. oxt
            1. Hunghuz
              Hunghuz 20 June 2019 10: 24 New
              +13
              There is nothing surprising by the way that 17 Cossacks beat 80 Austrian lancers. Vaughn Kozma Kryuchkov alone beat 11 Lancers, though German, they are weaker than Austrian
              1. K-50
                K-50 20 June 2019 14: 38 New
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                Quote: Hunghouse
                There is nothing surprising by the way that 17 Cossacks beat 80 Austrian lancers. Vaughn Kozma Kryuchkov alone beat 11 Lancers, though German, they are weaker than Austrian

                Well, this is not a record either. During the Great Patriotic War, one of our guardsmen (a mare’s driver with a cart) broke up a Nazi platoon, hacking 16 enemies and two officers with an ax (chopping off their heads), the Germans confiscated the rifle from him before, but he didn’t need it. request fellow
                1. Brutan
                  Brutan 20 June 2019 16: 07 New
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                  During the Great Patriotic War, one of our guardsmen (a mare’s driver with a cart) broke up a Nazi platoon, hacking 16 enemies and two officers with an ax (chopping off their heads), the Germans confiscated the rifle from him before, but he didn’t need it.

                  completely inappropriate comparison. After all, this does not mean an extraordinary situation, but an ordinary combat episode. I explain.
                  Kryuchkov’s group faced a many times superior enemy. There was no element of surprise, the weapons were identical. Normal combat situation. Accordingly, we are talking only about the art of gun ownership.
                  The element of surprise, an unusual weapon, etc. circumstances helped the oboznik. I doubt that if in a calm environment he alone met face-to-face with 20 Germans, also armed with axes, he would have survived)) Unless of course he had studied the art of fencing with axes))
          3. K-50
            K-50 20 June 2019 10: 41 New
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            Quote: heavy division
            1) you wrote 17 people were surrounded by 8 dozens, and vice versa - 17 Cossacks "drowned" in a crowd of 80 Austrians, and still they were beaten

            You read further.
            The Austrians completely do not know how to chop, and, surrounded by Cossacks, they did only "protection" from the spades and drafts

            hi
            1. Black joe
              Black joe 20 June 2019 11: 04 New
              +7
              Brutan read
              He did not understand this K50, that the quote about the cabin of the Austrians and Cossacks (which refers to the specifics of weapons) does not necessarily refer to episode 17/80. She just follows.
              I think I pretended not to understand.
  2. heavy division
    heavy division 20 June 2019 08: 26 New
    +13
    It turns out that the Russian cavalry was the strongest.
    Although the Hungarians are also great!
  3. XII Legion
    XII Legion 20 June 2019 08: 52 New
    +14
    Our cavalry repelled the enemy’s desire for horse attacks, broke the ridge.
    And not just like that!
    Thank you!
    1. Brutan
      Brutan 20 June 2019 09: 50 New
      +9
      and broke in the first months
  4. migrant
    migrant 20 June 2019 08: 55 New
    +12
    Interesting nuances, but ours turned out to be stronger. They took not quantity, but quality. Respect to the author.
  5. Adjutant
    Adjutant 20 June 2019 09: 37 New
    +13
    I can not stop stopping at the K-50 masterpiece set out in one of the comments
    The expression "Russian women still give birth" appeared precisely in the WWI

    I would like to know from him - did he hear this? And if not, then what is the source of this smart phrase?
    when the Russian infantry in thick chains "pearl" on the entrenched enemy with machine guns and artillery

    what an exaggerated understanding of the specifics of the then fighting)
    when after the battle the officers went to shoot in the bushes, it was a shame for the mediocre laid human lives, having previously drunk.

    it is on his flexible conscience, such fabrications. a normal person will not write this. and for skins that disguise themselves as a million profiles, it’ll do)
    It was during the first year of the war that the most combat-ready part of the Russian army was destroyed, since the best units were stationed in the western direction.

    But the other armies are not so ??) And why are these the best "units" stationed in the western direction? Another lie.
    Siberian and Turkestan shooters, for example, were not "housed" in the western direction, but were brought in from within the country.
    In the end, this led to almost universal mobilization, which helped various revolutionaries to unravel soldiers and surrender, namely surrender to Germany, and immerse Russia in revolution and civil war. Without huge losses and fear of the newly called to be killed, it became possible to forget about the oath.

    Well, this is beyond reality in general and in particular. Whether he is a teapot or mowing it under a teapot is unknown to me, but it feels like a fish in water)
    Now about the article.
    Very significant events are outlined. Absolutely right! The Russian cavalry repulsed the enemy’s hunt for horse attacks from the enemy (among the Austrians), and the Germans didn’t risk it at all. It is important!
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    2. CTABEP
      CTABEP 20 June 2019 13: 08 New
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      I would like to know from him - did he hear this? And if not, then what is the source of this smart phrase?


      EMNIP, the legs of this phrase go back to the 30-year war ("Women in Paris conceive the same amount in one night"), and for almost 400 years have been attributed in one form or another to those whom they do not like :).
  6. Brutan
    Brutan 20 June 2019 09: 57 New
    +9
    Brave were the people, the color of the nation. It would be better to save them against the internal enemy. What is in Russia, what is in Hungary
  7. Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 20 June 2019 10: 27 New
    +12
    We look forward to continuing!
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  9. Black joe
    Black joe 20 June 2019 11: 05 New
    +8
    Drive a broadsword into a steel barrel is cool! Grunts were however
  10. Oleg Kolsky 051
    Oleg Kolsky 051 20 June 2019 11: 09 New
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    For k-50.
    For losses.
    Losses of the Russian Army on February 1, 1917 TSB.
    Killed and died of wounds:
    Officers 11884
    Soldiers-586880.
    Poisoned by poison gases:
    Officers 430
    Soldiers-32718.
    Injured
    Officers 26041
    Soldiers-2438591.
    Shocked:
    Officers 8650
    Soldiers-93399.
    Missing:
    Officers 4170
    Soldiers 185703.
    Captives:
    Officers 11999
    Soldiers-2638050
    Conclusion, killed, wounded, shell-shocked, missing, captured-
    Officers 63074
    Soldiers-5975341.
    In addition to Urlanis and other sources, read.
    If that is TSB edition after the Second World War.
    1. Black joe
      Black joe 20 June 2019 11: 28 New
      +7
      Why are you doing floods?
      An article about losses?
      Where are the links? What a source, TSB. It is based on the same urlans. Unlike us, focusing on the docks)
      But what’s new? Or just read it now? However, from your total 5 if you subtract 973 prisoners, the rest is for the beaten, wounded, shell-shocked and so on. I mean ALL.
      That is, the picture is quite decent. At the level of other European armies!
      And it looks generally worthy in comparison with the losses in the war and the Second World War.
      1. Oleg Kolsky 051
        Oleg Kolsky 051 20 June 2019 12: 56 New
        +5
        You sir in front of your children portray a mentor and dismiss the tail. My answer was intended to K-50 because in his post I read familiar notes, such as the bodies of Russian soldiers, furnished the battlefields. And so he cited data from TSB, which are very close to the data from the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR from 1925. And the uncontrolled roll-up of losses of the Russian Army to the campaign began with Urlanis.
        Just the Russian Army
        It looked very worthy compared to the rest. If we recall that against the Russians there were armies of three countries at once. And mistakes? No one is safe from them, that during the First World War, that the Great Patriotic War. They were both at Ruzsky and Brussilov, and at Zhukov and Rokossovsky. So that my post does not smell a flood.
        And to portray the Russian-Soviet Army as a kindergarten to destroy its own soldiers is to spit the graves of their great-grandfathers who were in no way inferior to anyone.
        1. Black joe
          Black joe 20 June 2019 13: 04 New
          +6
          If I misunderstood you - I sincerely apologize hi
          1. Oleg Kolsky 051
            Oleg Kolsky 051 20 June 2019 13: 27 New
            +1
            Then you will excuse me for harshness.
            Have a nice day.
            1. Black joe
              Black joe 20 June 2019 13: 31 New
              +6
              Mutually, and have a nice day
  11. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 20 June 2019 12: 40 New
    -3
    I recalled the description of M. Sholokhov in the novel "Quiet Flows the Don" horse attack of the Cossacks against the Austrians, when Grigory Melekhov hit the first enemy ... what horror the Austrian infantry was seeing at the sight of the Cossacks ...
  12. K-50
    K-50 20 June 2019 14: 41 New
    -3
    Quote: Brutan
    do not pay attention to degenerates

    Insulting a stranger's mind does not need much. yes hi
    1. Brutan
      Brutan 20 June 2019 16: 00 New
      +6
      Note - I have not indicated anywhere that K-50 is a degenerate. For some reason, you have taken it personally. Maybe you know something that I don’t know wink
      but what really doesn’t require a mind is empty stuffing for your authorship
      1. K-50
        K-50 20 June 2019 16: 10 New
        -3
        I can not stop stopping at the K-50 masterpiece

        do not pay attention to degenerates

        This is from your post.
        1. Brutan
          Brutan 20 June 2019 16: 28 New
          +5
          If you notice, I said in the whole and in the plural. Citing this masterpiece as an example.
          But he didn’t call you directly a degenerate, from a formal legal point of view. And what did you take on your account - in general, your business hi
          1. Brutan
            Brutan 20 June 2019 16: 42 New
            +6
            Don’t sulk Alexei, if you consider me guilty, then sorry. Or if such satisfaction is not enough, then it is always at your service. We can meet) The choice of weapons is yours) If you need such satisfaction)
            are you russian
  13. K-50
    K-50 20 June 2019 14: 42 New
    -3
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    ..What horror swept the Austrian infantry at the sight of the Cossacks ...

    During the Russo-Japanese War, the Cossacks slaughtered mounted samurai practically clean, but at a speed that they did not have time to deliver a new horse train, and of the "samurai." yes
    1. Brutan
      Brutan 20 June 2019 16: 01 New
      +8
      During the Russo-Japanese War, Cossacks slaughtered mounted samurai

      you can give the source of this wonderful information - about the battles of the Cossacks with mounted samurai
      battles may have been observed with foot samurai, not?
  14. yehat
    yehat 21 June 2019 09: 44 New
    -1
    Quote: AK64
    I don’t read anything further: fairy tales of the peoples of the world began

    Lewis machine gun - a fairy tale?
  15. Lynx-z
    Lynx-z 22 June 2019 08: 00 New
    -3
    The article says that the battle of the Borodino regiment with the Austro-Hungarian cavalry was at the end of July, and the wiki writes about August 3 ... Who is right?
    1. Ekzutor
      Ekzutor 22 June 2019 10: 37 New
      +7
      The attack itself was July 31. I read in the same wiki
      1. Lynx-z
        Lynx-z 22 June 2019 10: 39 New
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        On August 3 (16), 1914, the 2nd Austro-Hungarian Cavalry Division broke through to the city of Vladimir-Volynsky. The Borodino 68th Infantry Regiment, which had completed its mobilization, was in this city. He repulsed all attempts of the Austrians to penetrate the city and the Austrian cavalry, having suffered heavy losses, retreated [5] [8].
        1. Ekzutor
          Ekzutor 22 June 2019 10: 46 New
          +7
          And what is it - 5 and 8. Links? For what?
          1. Lynx-z
            Lynx-z 22 June 2019 10: 49 New
            -3
            Links from the wiki:
            5. Golovin N.N. Russian Army in the Great War: The Beginning of the War and Operations in East Prussia
            8. A. Kersnovsky History of the Russian Army
            1. Ekzutor
              Ekzutor 22 June 2019 10: 51 New
              +7
              Are there any pages there?
              1. Ekzutor
                Ekzutor 22 June 2019 10: 55 New
                +7
                Very interesting, I want to see the pages. And what does the operation in East Prussia have to do with it?
          2. Ekzutor
            Ekzutor 22 June 2019 10: 49 New
            +7
            referring to what you Lynx-Z (Yevgenu) are trying to convince us on August 3 and not on July 31? Please explain, otherwise it is not at all convincing ...
            1. Lynx-z
              Lynx-z 23 June 2019 12: 57 New
              -5
              I asked a question that I received an obscure answer. That someone read something else. I gave a quote from the wiki from which my first question arose ... to which I received even less intelligible counter questions
              1. denatured alcohol
                denatured alcohol 23 June 2019 16: 59 New
                +8
                Lynx-Z (Yevgenu)
                I asked a question that I received an obscure answer. That someone read something else. I gave a quote from the wiki from which my first question arose ... to which I received even less intelligible counter questions

                standard excuses are used)
                In general, if I understood Lynx-Z (Yevgenu) correctly - name the pages in these supposedly links
                5. Golovin N.N. Russian Army in the Great War: The Beginning of the War and Operations in East Prussia
                8. A. Kersnovsky History of the Russian Army
                can not.
                Q.E.D)
                1. Lynx-z
                  Lynx-z 24 June 2019 21: 47 New
                  -4
                  Standard excuses? What should I otmazyvatsya from ?! Am I obliged to prove something to someone? What kind of nonsense I asked a question, hoping to hear the answer from a knowledgeable person.
                  He gave a quote from the wiki, which actually raised the question due to a contradiction with the information from the article. Question! Not a statement! Is that incomprehensible?
                  An unknowing person undertook to answer my question. Our usual business ... and also referred to the wiki, but did not even quote.
                  They asked me - what are these links in the quote? (Himself too lazy to look)
                  He brought what kind of links
                  They ask - What is written there?
                  Denatured alcohol. So what did you need and to whom to prove?
                  1. Square
                    Square 25 June 2019 00: 01 New
                    +5
                    I also noticed that you didn’t call the pages Lynx-Z (Yevgen)
                    It's difficult? Of course not, if there really are links.
                    1. Lynx-z
                      Lynx-z 25 June 2019 01: 16 New
                      -3
                      Which pages should I name and to whom, and most importantly why? I asked a question ... another one who does not know, but wants to intervene
                      1. Albatroz
                        Albatroz 25 June 2019 09: 15 New
                        +5
                        I closely follow the process.
                        You, Lynx-Z (Yevgenu), crawled out with the assertion that the Austrian cavalry raid on the BB did not take place at the end of July, but on August 3, 1914. Once you have hinted about this, you must confirm your words with a link to the source page
                      2. Lynx-z
                        Lynx-z 25 June 2019 16: 03 New
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                        Bad of you observer. I did not get out, but asked. But since there are no knowledgeable ones, people like you got out.
                      3. Lynx-z
                        Lynx-z 25 June 2019 16: 05 New
                        -3
                        Can the link show where I claimed?
                      4. Albatroz
                        Albatroz 25 June 2019 23: 21 New
                        +6
                        No, well, since I’ve thrown it, and even with the numbers 5 and 8.
                        Then confirm, if not shed)
                      5. Lynx-z
                        Lynx-z 26 June 2019 16: 46 New
                        -3
                        I didn’t throw an application, but quoted a wiki.
                      6. Albatroz
                        Albatroz 26 June 2019 17: 44 New
                        +8
                        But you can’t name the pages according to this quote? The quote assumes a page number. I do not convict you, most interesting)
                      7. Lynx-z
                        Lynx-z 28 June 2019 08: 26 New
                        -2
                        So open the works and read. What is the problem?
                        I asked a question in the hope of meeting a knowledgeable person here. I was not going to argue with anyone, due to the fact that not so much in the subject. After all, this is the very beginning of the First World War and here every day is interesting. And then a run in a few days
                      8. Rodent
                        Rodent 28 June 2019 10: 49 New
                        +5
                        So open the works and read. What is the problem?
                        I asked a question in the hope of meeting a knowledgeable person here. I was not going to argue with anyone, due to the fact that not so much in the subject. After all, this is the very beginning of the First World War and here every day is interesting. And then a run in a few days

                        Usually the one who DOES NOT KNOW sends. Since you saw this link, how can you not see the pages indicated in it?
                        The problem is one thing - since you don’t know, there is nothing and provocatively false stuffing to do Lynx-Z (to Yevgen)
                        PS
                      9. Lynx-z
                        Lynx-z 28 June 2019 22: 20 New
                        -1
                        And what was the "provocative throw"? What is the essence of provocation? What is the lie?
                      10. Lynx-z
                        Lynx-z 28 June 2019 22: 32 New
                        -1
                        Well, if you insist, then I found it myself:
                        Golovin N.N. The Russian army in the Great War: The beginning of the war and operations in East Prussia. Page 87:
                        Favorable for the invasion of East Prussia; it was possible to count only the first 3-4 days of mobilization, since on the 5th day all the German infantry and artillery units of the first line were completely ready.
                        The result of the raid in conditions of this readiness can be seen from the incident that took place on our South-Western Front on August 3/16 (on the 17th day of mobilization). One dashing Austrian cavalry division broke through to the city of Vladimir-Volynsk. In this city there was 68 infantry who had completed his mobilization. Borodino regiment. The Austrian cavalry division surrounded the city. In the morning the battle began; The companies of the Borodino regiment calmly repelled all attempts by the Austrians to penetrate the city. The Austrian cavalry, having suffered heavy losses, went back. The result of this raid was zero.
                      11. XII Legion
                        XII Legion 29 June 2019 08: 59 New
                        +2
                        One dashing Austrian cavalry division broke through to the city of Vladimir-Volynsk. In this city there was 68 infantry who had completed his mobilization. Borodino regiment. The Austrian cavalry division surrounded the city.

                        Oh really? And what are you sure that is the battle?)
                        Or was the result null?)
                      12. Lynx-z
                        Lynx-z 29 June 2019 13: 58 New
                        -1
                        give another fact ..
                        What's not clear? The Borodino regiment completed the mobilization and accepted the battle on August 3 ..
                      13. Lynx-z
                        Lynx-z 29 June 2019 14: 03 New
                        -1
                        here something nobody brings their arguments, they only criticize the arguments of others.
                        And once again I will say to argue with you once: it’s not interesting, but two: nothing .. I DO NOT KNOW. I asked if there were anyone who knew how it really was? because it’s written in the article, but in a different way on the wiki. I'm not trying to prove or dispute anything. And if you do not know about the sources or not the facts, then you do not need to write your ambitious and incompetent comments. Offend me? what for? it's stupid and useless .. It’s interesting to know the truth
                      14. Lynx-z
                        Lynx-z 29 June 2019 14: 05 New
                        -1
                        In this city there was 68 infantry who had completed his mobilization. Borodino regiment.
                        he took the fight. August 3rd. Is there any other data? No?
                      15. XII Legion
                        XII Legion 29 June 2019 14: 51 New
                        +1
                        Well, since you yourself do not know Lynx-Z (Yevgenu), then there’s nothing to talk about
                      16. XII Legion
                        XII Legion 29 June 2019 15: 09 New
                        +1
                        And I highly recommend that Lynx-Z (Yevgen) get rid of the lies that permeate literally your whole being. Unless of course it is still possible, and did not soak up all your flesh and blood like phenibut.
                        Example.
                        Above you wrote:
                        On August 3 (16), 1914, the 2nd Austro-Hungarian Cavalry Division broke through to the city of Vladimir-Volynsky. The Borodino 68th Infantry Regiment, which had completed its mobilization, was in this city. He repulsed all attempts of the Austrians to penetrate the city and the Austrian cavalry, having suffered heavy losses, retreated [5] [8]. Links from the wiki:
                        5. Golovin N.N. Russian Army in the Great War: The Beginning of the War and Operations in East Prussia
                        8. A. Kersnovsky History of the Russian Army

                        So - 3 August November 1914, XNUMX
                        Well, what really is? Golovin with his East Prussia I will definitely check. But let’s open for a start Kersnovsky, you so selflessly refer to the History of the Russian Army. namely Volume 3. P. 179.
                        I quote:
                        On August 1, the Austrian 2nd Cavalry Division attacked Vladimir-Volynsky, but was shot in single combat with the Borodino Regiment

                        Firstly, August 1st is much closer to the authorial July 31st than to your August 3rd.
                        secondly, the first skirmishes, the beginning of the clash began on the night of July 31 to August 1, where by morning the main forces of the 2nd Cavalry Division were leaving. And there are no problems.
                        That's how it turns out, in fact, a respected, asking "innocent" questions, it seems)
                      17. XII Legion
                        XII Legion 29 June 2019 15: 15 New
                        +2
                        And I can’t understand, Lynx-Z (Yevgen), why do you like lying so much?
                        Or are you already not a man?
                        This is me about Golovin - here is your quote above
                        Golovin N.N. The Russian army in the Great War: The beginning of the war and operations in East Prussia. Page 87:
                        Favorable for the invasion of East Prussia; it was possible to count only the first 3-4 days of mobilization, since on the 5th day all the German infantry and artillery units of the first line were completely ready.
                        The result of the raid in conditions of this readiness can be seen from the incident that took place on our South-Western Front on August 3/16 (on the 17th day of mobilization). One dashing Austrian cavalry division broke through to the city of Vladimir-Volynsk. In this city there was 68 infantry who had completed his mobilization. Borodino regiment. The Austrian cavalry division surrounded the city. In the morning the battle began; The companies of the Borodino regiment calmly repelled all attempts by the Austrians to penetrate the city. The Austrian cavalry, having suffered heavy losses, went back. The result of this raid was zero.

                        and here’s the search page for Golovin

                        There is none of the above stated by you. So the question is settled.
                      18. Lynx-z
                        Lynx-z 29 June 2019 15: 41 New
                        -2
                        yes i was wrong page 88
                    2. Lynx-z
                      Lynx-z 29 June 2019 15: 38 New
                      -2
                      closer .. this is of course a very strong argument ..
                      interesting, but what's the lie? Did I say something?
                      once again for not very distant and not able to read
                      I read two sources:
                      1. this article, which talks about the battle with the Borodino regiment at the end of July, which interested me, because I don’t know much about the history of the First World War and everything was much later in my mind ... and I climbed into the wiki
                      2. Wiki article "Battle of Galicia", which states that the battle with the Borodino regiment was on August 3. and links ..
                      and in the hope of hearing a competent opinion, I asked a question here.
                      So what? a crowd came in like you with stupid statements like "asking" innocent "seemingly questions)"
                      and what do you see wine in these "questions" .. is it even interesting))? World conspiracy?
                    3. XII Legion
                      XII Legion 29 June 2019 15: 41 New
                      +1
                      You referred to 2 materials, and at close approximation this is not true. In Kersnovsky (where you kept silent about the page) there is nothing about August 3, and in S. 87 Golovin (on which, even with the bad quality of the copy that I have), there is nothing about the attack on N.-Volynsky.
                      Only))
                      Looking for world conspiracies is not for me, not for the address, it's your specialization)))
                2. Lynx-z
                  Lynx-z 29 June 2019 15: 42 New
                  -2
                  I’m definitely not talking about anything .. I’m interested in those who know
                3. XII Legion
                  XII Legion 29 June 2019 15: 45 New
                  +2
                  And with you all the more nothing. I already explained everything to you.
                  Read the article to find out how it was. Everything is written reliably in it.
                  Not all people like you are masters of provocations and throws, someone does publish reliable materials, isn’t that)
                4. Lynx-z
                  Lynx-z 29 June 2019 15: 47 New
                  -2
                  here I wonder who writes reliable ..
                  because different sources have different dates.
                  and already three dates
                5. XII Legion
                  XII Legion 29 June 2019 15: 52 New
                  +1
                  Authentically written by the author. Different sources do not have different dates
                  I wrote above. And about August 3rd, you just LIED.
                6. Lynx-z
                  Lynx-z 29 June 2019 15: 58 New
                  -2
                  the end of July is not a date, but not August, Golovin writes about August 3, "South-Western Front, August 3/16 (on the 17th day of mobilization)." Kersnovsky writes about August 1.
                  and in what did I lie?
                7. XII Legion
                  XII Legion 29 June 2019 16: 01 New
                  +1
                  the beginning of the clash began on the night of July 31 to August 1, where by morning the main forces of the 2nd Cavalry Division were leaving.

                  July 31 is the very end of July.
                  What did you lie to? First, in that, Kersnovsky does not write about the attack on August 3rd.
                  Secondly, Golovin has nothing about the attack on page 87))
                8. Lynx-z
                  Lynx-z 29 June 2019 16: 02 New
                  -2
                  I already wrote that page 88 was wrong, but you were too lazy to read
                9. XII Legion
                  XII Legion 29 June 2019 16: 03 New
                  +2
                  You LIED about 87 pages
                  Why on earth should I believe about 88?
                  Lying once - cheat))
                  And about Kersnovsky explain how your lie?
          3. Lynx-z
            Lynx-z 29 June 2019 16: 00 New
            -2
            you are really sick .. everywhere conspiracies and deceit seem
          4. XII Legion
            XII Legion 29 June 2019 16: 02 New
            +2
            You have everything built on a lie. Once again convinced.
            And the diagnoses of other people are endowed with those who are sick with the same)) so be treated, good advice))
          5. Lynx-z
            Lynx-z 29 June 2019 16: 04 New
            -2
            as well as the evacuation of government agencies and the withdrawal of militia warriors into the interior of Russia.
            Mob Day Number Name of horse divisions and individual cavalry. brigades arriving in areas of concentration
            1 11 Cavalry divisions: Nos. 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 11, 12, 14, 15; Cossack divisions: 1st Don and Consolidated.
            4 11,5 Separate cavalry brigade No. 1.
            5 12,5 Cavalry Division No. 9.
            6 14 Cavalry Division No. 13 and Separate Guard. Cav. brig.
            7 17 Cavalry divisions Nos. 1 and 10 and 1st Guard. Cav. div
            8 18 2nd Guards Cavalry Division and Separate Cavalry Brigade No. 2.
            9 19 Cavalry Division No. 3.
            11 20 Cavalry Division No. 5
            19 22 Cossack divisions: 3rd Don and 3rd Caucasian.
            22 23 1st Kuban Cossack Division
            27 25 Cossack divisions: 4th Don and 2nd Kuban
            29 26 Terek Cossack Division.
            30 27 5th Don Cossack Division
            41 28 Ural Cossack Division
            Note. In addition to the cavalry units listed above, they were transferred to the theater of operations: cavalry divisions - No. 8 and the Caucasus, and separate brigades: the Cossack Turkestan and the 4th separate formed from 20 dragoon regiment and the regiment of the Officer Cavalry School. These units arrived at the theater of operations as follows: the first two after the 15th day of mobilization, the second after the 30th.
            In the formation of the veil covering our mobilization, the Russian cavalry used parts of the border country
            [87]
            peacetime women, whose units were declared a war subordinate to the respective heads of horse divisions. But along with this, our cavalry was deprived of the help of a much more powerful force: the assistance of the local population. The distrust that existed in the Russian government towards the Poles, who constituted the majority of the population on our western outskirts, prevented the preparation of organizations from the border residents in peacetime in the same way as our Western neighbors did.
            In some writings on the outbreak of war on the Russian front, one can find a rebuke that the Russian High Command did not use its "numerous cavalry to defeat the regions of Germany and Austria adjacent to Russia."
            Although such judgments belong to the pen of quite authoritative foreign military writers, we allow ourselves to assert that these judgments do not rise above the level of philistine reasoning that does not take into account the laws of time and space.
            Favorable for the invasion of East Prussia; it was possible to count only the first 3-4 days of mobilization, since on the 5th day all the German infantry and artillery units of the first line were completely ready.
            The result of the raid in conditions of this readiness can be seen from the incident that took place on our South-Western Front on August 3/16 (on the 17th day of mobilization). One dashing Austrian cavalry division broke through to the city of Vladimir-Volynsk. In this city there was 68 infantry who had completed his mobilization. Borodino regiment. The Austrian cavalry division surrounded the city. In the morning the battle began; The companies of the Borodino regiment calmly repelled all attempts by the Austrians to penetrate the city. The Austrian cavalry, having suffered heavy losses, went back. The result of this raid was zero.
            But even on the first day, the mobilization of the cavalry raid into East Prussia was extremely difficult for those
            [88]
          6. XII Legion
            XII Legion 29 June 2019 16: 05 New
            +2
            I already answered you above
            at least sign with the texts))
          7. Lynx-z
            Lynx-z 29 June 2019 16: 06 New
            -2
            clear, just nothing to say .. essentially
          8. XII Legion
            XII Legion 29 June 2019 16: 08 New
            +2
            I essentially have S. 87 Golovin, where there is no attack. LIE
            Before me lies the volume of Kersnovsky, where there is an attack, but not on August 3. LIES.
            Lie squared Mr. Sh.
          9. Lynx-z
            Lynx-z 29 June 2019 16: 09 New
            -2
            so turn over to page 88 or laziness?
          10. Lynx-z
            Lynx-z 29 June 2019 16: 10 New
            -1
            give a quote where I argued that Kersnovsky writes about August 3
          11. XII Legion
            XII Legion 29 June 2019 16: 10 New
            +2
            I already double checked your lie.
            On S. 87. Golovin NO ATTACK
            Kersnovsky nothing about August 3
            the limit of trust in liars has been exhausted, sorry
          12. Lynx-z
            Lynx-z 29 June 2019 16: 12 New
            -2
            Yes, you are definitely a stupid person .. I already wrote three times that this is on page 88, and I apologized for the error, and you grabbed onto this 87 page ...
            Bye
          13. XII Legion
            XII Legion 29 June 2019 16: 13 New
            +2
            This is you stupid trolchenok.
            Lied twice and offer to believe you for the third time?
            have a nice one you too
  16. Lynx-z
    Lynx-z 29 June 2019 16: 04 New
    -2
    where is the lie? except your speculation
  17. XII Legion
    XII Legion 29 June 2019 16: 06 New
    +2
    You can’t attach the page, you don’t have Golovin))
    And about Kersnovsky explain how your lie? What does he write about the attack on August 3rd?))
  18. Lynx-z
    Lynx-z 29 June 2019 16: 08 New
    -2
    I did not say that Kersnovsky writes about August 3 ..
    writes about wiki on August 3 .. and gives links to Golovin and Kersnovsky
    I gave you a quote from Golovin, you read laziness
  19. XII Legion
    XII Legion 29 June 2019 16: 09 New
    +2
    Again Lying and UNLOADING
    You cited the above links, yourself on them REFERENCES, and they FALSE
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