Japanese about Mongol invasion

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Contemporaries of the Mongols. And it was that in 1268, 1271 and 1274. Khan Kublai (Kublai Khan), the emperor of China, sent his envoys to Japan over and over again with an unveiled request: pay tribute to him! The attitude of the Japanese to China was at that time similar to that of the younger brother towards the elder. And it is not surprising, because all the best in Japan came there precisely from China - tea and writing, military art, laws and religion. It was believed that China is a great country, worthy of all respect and admiration. Today it is not known what words and language in which Khubilai’s envoys explained to the Japanese, but it’s clear that they had to deal not only with the emperor’s court, but also with the samurai from Baku, this new and ambitious military government of Japan. But ambition is ambition, but bakufu had no experience in international diplomacy, and where did he come from? In addition, samurai from bakufu knew about events in China only from the words of Buddhist monks who fled from the mainland from the Mongols. The Kamakur shogunate treated them very favorably, some of these fugitives even made a very good career in Japan, but ... was this source of information about the Mongols sufficiently objective, or was it a story about "savages riding hairy horses"? And what could Buddhist monks tell about the military power of the Mongols? Well, it is known that the founder of the Japanese school Nitiren believed that the Mongol invasion of China was a sign of global decline. That is, most likely, even Bakuku considered this and therefore underestimated the strength of the Mongols.


Autumn 1274. Takenaga Sueaki fights the Mongols during their first invasion. His horse is wounded by arrows and frightened by explosions. Such tactics were so unusual for samurai that they were taken by surprise, but then they still learned how to resist their opponent. (“Myoko Suray Ecotoba”, Kunaytö Museum, Japan)


The beginning of the first invasion


Aristocrats at the emperor's court in Kyoto were accustomed to submit to powerful China, at least they were morally ready for this. Therefore, they wanted to agree to the Mongols' demands and pay tribute to them, however, the young regent Hojo Toki-mune decided that he should be abandoned. He appealed to the samurai to forget the strife and protect the country from invasion. They began by putting guard posts in the north of Kyushu. Well, Khubilai decided that he would not abandon this self-will and ordered the Koreans to build 900 ships, since it was impossible for the dry land to invade Japan. Ordered - done. The ships were built, and in October 1274, the Mongols set out to fight overseas.


Samurai Takenaga Sueaki rush at the enemy. (“Myoko Suray Ecotoba”, Kunaytö Museum, Japan)


The fact that at this time in Japan begins the season of typhoons, they did not even suspect. First, they landed on the island of Tsushima, which lay just halfway between Korea and Kyushu, and then on the island Iki, which was located near the coast of Japan. In the battles with the invaders, two commanders, Sho Susakuni and Tairano Kagataka, who were close to the local governor and detachments of local samurai, were killed.

Japanese about Mongol invasion

Ruins of coastal fortifications in Hakata Bay on Kyushu. In ancient times, their length exceeded 20 km. In some places, fortifications were erected only from stone, in others the space between the two stone walls was filled with sand.


Then the Mongols reached Hakata Bay in northern Kyushu and landed there on the shore. There they were met by warriors of a completely unusual appearance. And the battle began with the fact that a young rider left their ranks, shouted something loudly, it was not clear why he let out a loudly whistling arrow (cabur or kaburai - “whistling arrow” of the beginning of the battle) and rushed alone at the Mongols. Naturally, they immediately shot him with bows, not knowing that, according to the samurai rules, one soldier must start the battle, who declared his name and the merits of his ancestors to the enemy and launched a "whistling arrow." Perhaps once it was a Mongol custom. After all, the Japanese language belongs to the Altai language group. But it was only so long ago that the “new Mongols” had completely forgotten about him.


Image of Mongol warriors from Myoko Shurai Ecotoba (original). As you can see, of the 17 warriors present on it, only three people have metal armor from the plates. The rest are dressed in long-sex "bathrobes" and peaked felt hats. Growth shields, clearly wicker. And they are not all horsemen. Infantry more. Consequently, many of them are Koreans, and Mongols on horses are not very many.



The same picture with drawing details.


"Too Rational Mongols"


According to the samurai, the Mongols fought, speaking our language, "too rational," which was unworthy of glorious warriors who had equally glorious ancestors. The samurai have become accustomed to observing the very strict rules of conduct of warriors on the battlefield, and here? .. The Mongols did not fight one by one, but immediately by numerous troops, did not recognize any single fights, but also showed absolute contempt for death and killed everyone got in their way. The worst thing is that they used explosive shells, explosions that terribly frightened samurai horses and made panic in their ranks.


Mongolian helmet with headphones from the Mongol Invasion Museum in Genko, Japan. Weight 2 kg.


The samurai of Kyushu suffered great losses and retreated from the coast to the city of Dadzayfu, which was the administrative center of Kyushu, and there took refuge in an ancient fortress, waiting for reinforcements. But for the Mongolian commanders, the victory was so costly that they thought. In addition, if the Mongols fought traditionally bravely, then the Koreans, who were also recruited into the army, tried in every way to avoid the battle, and it was obvious that you could not rely on them. Therefore, they decided not to risk it and, fearing a night counterattack, returned to their ships. Well, at night a great rainstorm broke out, a strong storm began and it all ended with the fact that when the next morning the samurai scouts took ashore, they did not find a single Mongolian ship in the bay. It is believed that the conquerors lost then 200 ships and 13500 soldiers, that is, almost half the troops. Well, the survivors ... cleaned up well, good back.


Mongolian helmet, similar type. (Historical Museum in Genko, Japan)


Second invasion attempt


By 1279, the Mongols had also taken possession of Southern China, so Kublai Khan had an entire army and a significant part fleet Song Dynasty. A new embassy was sent to Japan demanding humility, but the Japanese killed it. The Mongols didn’t forgive anyone for this, so Kublai Khan immediately ordered the Chinese to build another 600 ships and prepare the army for an attack against Japan. Waiting for a new invasion, Hojo Tokimune ordered the construction of a defensive wall along the coast of the northern part of Kyushu Island. It was built from earth and stones, and its height was 2 m, and the width of the foundation was not more than 3. It is clear that such a strengthening could not be called formidable. But such an obstacle against the Mongolian cavalry is better than none - the samurai decided and built a wall.


At the site of the landing of the Mongols in Japan, such iron stirrups were also found. (Historical Museum in Genko, Japan)


Fights on land and at sea


The new Kubilai expedition was divided into two armies: Eastern and Southern. The first was landed on 900 ships and consisted of 25 thousands of Mongolian, Korean and Chinese soldiers and 15 thousands of sailors. In July, 1281, she sailed from East Korea, while the Southern Fleet, four times the size of Eastern, went to meet him at the island of Iki. The troops of the Eastern Army again landed on the islands of Tsushima and Iki, but its commanders decided to try to capture Kyushu before the approach of the Southern Army. The troops of the Mongols again began to land at the northern cape of the Gulf of Hakata, but they met with fierce resistance from the forces of Otomo Yasouri and Adati Morimune. They had to anchor off the coast. It was then that they were attacked by light boats, in which samurai swam up to them and either set fire to the enemy’s ships with incendiary arrows, or took them to the boarding and ... also set fire to them. In addition, July in Japan is the hottest month and in addition - a rainy month. Because of the heat, dampness and crowded people on board, food supplies began to rot. This led to illnesses that killed about 3000 of the Mongols, and their morale dropped.


Takenaga Sueaki acts on the sea. (“Myoko Suray Ecotoba”, Kunaytö Museum, Japan)


"The wind of the spirits comes to the rescue!"


It was not until mid-August that ships from the Southern Army reached the sea and also headed towards Kyushu. But then on the night of 19 on August 20, the ships of the conquerors were again attacked by light samurai ships and caused them losses. And 22 August began what the Japanese themselves later called kamikaze - “divine wind” (or “wind of spirits”) - a typhoon that swept and sank 4 thousands of ships and caused the death of 30 thousands of warriors. In fact, the Southern Army then ceased to exist as a combat unit.

True, the Eastern Fleet, which was at this time in the bay of Hirato, this time almost did not suffer. But then the commanders of the invasion armies began to argue about whether to continue such an unsuccessful campaign in such conditions. The Mongols from the Eastern Army believed that it should be continued, but the surviving Chinese, of whom the majority of the Southern Army consisted, did not agree at all. Then one Chinese commander simply ran off to the surviving ship in China, leaving his warriors to their fate. And as a result, it was decided to immediately move away from these unkind shores. Thus, many warriors who found themselves on Takashima Island, losing the support of the fleet and ... any hope of returning home. Soon all of them, that is, the Mongols and Koreans, were killed, but the samurai spared the Chinese.


Khubilai - Mongol Emperor Yuan (1215-1294)


40 years of vain dreams


Emperor Khubilai did not like this outcome of the invasion he had planned, and he tried several times to repeat it, but this was hampered by the ongoing uprisings of the Chinese and Vietnamese people. In Korea, he even again ordered to collect an army, but among the Koreans began such a massive desertion, so he had to abandon his plans. For forty years, Khubilai dreamed of capturing the "golden islands", but his dream remained that way.

Documents tell ...


Information about the invasion came into the documents of many temples and the office of bakufu. And not just hit, scrolls, which tells about the heroic exploits of the samurai, according to his display set. The fact is that in Japan it was customary to demand from the suzerain, and in this case it was just the bakufu, awards for valor. And the samurai sent messages there, where they scrupulously listed all the severed heads and captured trophies. Not lagged behind and the monks! Thus, one abbot of the monastery wrote that by the prayers of his brotherhood, the deity of their temple from the top of its roof threw lightning into the Chinese fleet! This is how this remarkable document appeared, which have come down to our days and called “The Scroll of the Mongol invasion” - “Myoko surai ecotoba”. He was made for the samurai Takenaki Sueaki, who expected, like many, the bakuma Kamakura awards for participation in the war and therefore ordered his artist to display his courage in detail. The drawing, most likely made under the supervision of this samurai, historically very faithfully depicted and weaponand the armor of the time. It describes both episodes of these significant events for Japan, but it is still an important historical source.

Использованная литература:
1. Mitsuo Kure. Samurai. Illustrated story. Per. from English U. Saptsina. M .: AST: Astrel, 2007.
2. Stephen Turnbull. Samurai Military history of Japan. Per.s English P. Markov, O. Serebrovskaya, M .: Eksmo, 2013.
3. Plano Carpini J. Del. The history of Mongalov // J. Del Plano Karpini. The history of Mongal / G. de Rubruk. Journey to Eastern countries / Book of Marco Polo. M .: Thought, 1997.
4. History of Japan / Ed. A. E. Zhukova. M .: Institute of Oriental Studies, Russian Academy of Sciences, 1998. T. 1. From ancient times to 1968.
5. Stephen Turnbull. 1274 and 1281 (CAMPAIGN 217), Osprey, 2010.


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  1. Hunghuz 19 June 2019 18: 28 New
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    It was decided that in the article, in accordance with the name, which they love to pay attention to, there will be an analysis of Japanese sources - for contact with the Mongols, for military contacts.
    Well, at least some historiography ...
    In short, I expected something more from this author than the retelling of the famous. I apologize for the hopes and pipe dreams hi
    1. voyaka uh 19 June 2019 19: 22 New
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      And I, on the contrary, liked it for brevity and expressiveness
      storytelling. There is a chance to remember these Japanese-Mongol wars.
  2. knn54 19 June 2019 18: 33 New
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    "Came, saw ... drowned."
    1. Trapperxnumx 20 June 2019 09: 18 New
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      Quote: knn54
      "Came, saw ... drowned."

      Then "came, saw, drowned")
  3. Picus 19 June 2019 18: 36 New
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    Read the article before publication - what does not allow?
    In places, the brain explodes from permutations of words in places and omissions necessary ...
  4. Undecim 19 June 2019 19: 06 New
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    "Well, it’s known that the founder of the Japanese school of Nitiren believed that the Mongol invasion of China was a sign of global decline. That is, most likely the Bakufu believed just that and therefore underestimated the strength of the Mongols."
    The Bakufu couldn’t think so, since it was the Bakufu that sent Nitiren to Izu Island back in 1261, where they tried to secretly kill him, but at the last moment they replaced the execution with a reference to Sado Island, which has a very harsh climate.
    Nitren first announced the impending Mongol invasion in April 1274, when he was allowed to leave Sado Island. Moreover, he considered this invasion not a sign of the global crisis, but as a punishment against the many vices that hit the country.
    The Major Writings of Nichiren. Soka Gakkai, Tokyo, 1999
    1. kalibr 19 June 2019 19: 24 New
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      It may well be ...
      1. Undecim 19 June 2019 21: 37 New
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        Mongolian helmet with headphones from the Museum of the Mongolian invasion of Genko, Japan
        This is not the first time you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, are mistaken with this museum.
        This is the Genko Historical Museum in Fukuoka. Genko - the "black fox" - a kind of kitsune. Therefore, I am inclined to think that the Japanese themselves mean "genki" - a source of healing power or a source of a healthy mind.
  5. kalibr 19 June 2019 19: 22 New
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    Quote: Hunghouse
    Well, at least some historiography ...

    Is it not at the end?
    Or are you interested in purely Japanese sources?
    But they are in the listed books, in particular, in Kure ... And also in Terbullah. Rather, Turnbull refers to the same sources, and so on in a circle. There is also a book by Spevakovsky. But there everything is the same ... Nobody knows about something new and unknown!
  6. Trilobite Master 19 June 2019 20: 13 New
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    Vyacheslav Olegovich, as always, thanks. smile
    I read the article and, as every time something comes across about the Mongols and the Japanese, I wonder: for whom to root for? Who in this war "our" - the Japanese or the Mongols?
    For some reason, the death of the invasion flotilla does not make me happy - that means I am for the Mongols?
    I guess I just envy the Japanese.
    Eh, I would rise every time the Mongols gathered wind on Russia with such strength that the Mongolian arrows flew back and their horses broke their legs ...
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, I have a question here: do you have, incidentally, of course, information from the Japanese Novokhronozhtsev or other folk historians, on whose side the Russian Cossacks fought in that war, defended the related Japanese-Aryans from the Mongol-Semites or, on the contrary, resisted the onslaught Japanese accomplices of the Masters of the West, who tried to destroy the luminous Siberian-Russian civilization by striking across the Pacific Ocean, meanly using the sphericity of the planet?
    Or maybe someone from colleagues knows?
    1. 3x3zsave 19 June 2019 21: 32 New
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      Cheer for the Ainu, the lusty pens of the counter-media industry of the "owners of the West" have not yet reached them
    2. karabass 19 June 2019 21: 39 New
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      where did Khubilai have Russians? Are you trying to mock the author? Or do I not know something?
      ps would be Russian would have fought for the Mongols, probably you yourself know it
      Respect to the author, I liked the article
      1. 3x3zsave 20 June 2019 06: 32 New
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        Really, do not understand. If interested, in the evening I can unsubscribe in PM: what and how.
    3. Hantengri 19 June 2019 23: 08 New
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      Quote: Trilobite Master
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, the question has ripened here: do you, by chance, of course, have any information from the Japanese Newcomers or their other folk historians, on whose side did the Russian Cossacks fight in that war - they defended related Japanese-Aryans from the Mongol-Semites or vice versa repelled the onslaught of the Japanese accomplices of the Masters of the West, who tried to destroy the luminiferous Siberian-Russian civilization by a blow through the Pacific Ocean, vilely taking advantage of the globularity of the planet

      Michael, why all this negativity ?! After all, any alternatively gifted hedgehog understands that it’s, simply, the Mongolian Ruso-Arians swam to visit the Japanese Ruso-Aryans, with the goal of going on a visit, and to bring the foul-smelling relatives to life. To remind about the greatness of Super Ethnos, to tell about the meanness of the Masters of the West ...
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        1. voyaka uh 20 June 2019 14: 42 New
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          "We get that if we cross a Mongol and a Jew we get an Armenian." ////
          -----
          And this .... need? belay
          Joke: Easter is a long line. A Jew stands in line and quietly asks: "what give?" They answer him: "here the eggs are boiled and painted." A Jew quietly departs, moves away ... whispers: "Well ... if someone really needs this, and if someone has the strength to bear it .... recourse "
          1. Trilobite Master 20 June 2019 14: 45 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            And this .... need?

            That's life. smile
            1. voyaka uh 20 June 2019 14: 47 New
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              I’ll probably get out of line ... smile
              1. Trilobite Master 20 June 2019 15: 11 New
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                It remains to decide who you no longer love - the Mongols or Armenians. smile
                1. voyaka uh 20 June 2019 15: 19 New
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                  I love them both. fellow drinks
                  But without hapo sex. stop
                  1. Trilobite Master 20 June 2019 16: 24 New
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                    Well and good.
                    And leave the haplo intim to Klesov - he is in this matter of the dock. hi
      2. 3x3zsave 20 June 2019 06: 15 New
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        Bravo, Igor! Alternatively gifted hedgehog - a new word in folkzology! laughing good hi
        I'm afraid to ask: flippers or wings?
        1. Hantengri 20 June 2019 11: 36 New
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          Quote: 3x3zsave
          I'm afraid to ask: flippers or wings?

          Neither one nor the other. With danger, all normal hedgehogs are rolled into a ball, and, these into a cube.
          1. 3x3zsave 20 June 2019 12: 16 New
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            I somehow did not think about cubomorphism of hedgehogs. After all, when they can!
    4. Korsar4 20 June 2019 07: 19 New
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      There is a Truffaldino method:

      "And I'm always for those
      Who wins. "
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  7. Edward Vashchenko 19 June 2019 21: 30 New
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    Clear and understandable information, excellent article and illustrations!
  8. kalibr 19 June 2019 21: 48 New
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    Quote: Trilobite Master
    do you have, by any chance, of course, information from the Japanese Novokhronozhans or other folk historians,

    Alas, dear Michael, there is no ... there was only one acquaintance Japanese and that long ago, and Stephen Turnbull, and also long ago. So I can not answer you on the merits of the question ...
  9. kalibr 19 June 2019 21: 51 New
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    Alas, Alexander, this is my scourge, God knows from what time, I struggle with this phenomenon, but the war goes on with varying success. There is a very good literacy program, but it also occasionally crashes, alas ...
  10. M. Michelson 20 June 2019 07: 18 New
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    Thanks for the digest.
    Only, according to modern concepts, the Japanese language belongs to the Japanese Altai FAMILY GROUP.
  11. Senior seaman 20 June 2019 08: 58 New
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    I remember once having a discussion with a lady from the Chronolagers. One of her arguments was precisely that "it is impossible to imagine that the Mongol steppes built ships and tried to conquer distant Japan." I told her: - in fact, this fleet (or rather what was left of it) was found at the bottom of the sea and even showed finds on TV. To which the lady, with a purely feminine spontaneity, replied: - Yes, you never know where the ships are from. After all, there was a war at the beginning of the 20th century and the whole squadron sank (it’s about Tsushima if that :)), maybe they are.
    Thank you.
    1. Trapperxnumx 20 June 2019 09: 27 New
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      Quote: Senior Sailor
      After all, there was a war at the beginning of the 20th century and the whole squadron sank

      Yes, that's how legends are born. Why did the Russian fleet lose? Very simple, it was wooden and sailing-oar .... And the proof is ready - the remains of ships on the ocean floor. But in ancient times, well, before the evil priests burned the cosmodromes of the Rus-Aryans together with the astronauts, the ancient tartars were already sailing on steam battleships. The proof is at the bottom of the Tsushima Strait ....
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  12. Glory1974 20 June 2019 10: 49 New
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    Modern Mongols would read such articles and learn a lot about themselves: they conquered half the world, built a fleet, and sailed to Japan for war. In times were! Not like now, they live in the steppe, in yurts, their tails are twisted by cows. Where did the past greatness go? Even in folk myths and legends, nothing remained.
    1. voyaka uh 20 June 2019 16: 29 New
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      Modern Italians, modestly living today on their peninsula, calmly read about the Roman Empire, which once captured Europe, northern Africa and Western Asia with the Middle East. Do not worry: what happened, it was ... and it passed. fellow
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  13. kalibr 20 June 2019 10: 56 New
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    Quote: glory1974
    Even in folk myths and stories nothing is left.

    Do you know that for sure? Studied Mongol myths and legends? Are you the author of a study on this topic? Share information, indicate the sources of your awareness, the reader of the VO would be interested. And so ... to rush an unsubstantiated "bunch" is not interesting.
    1. Glory1974 21 June 2019 09: 51 New
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      Do you know this for sure? Studied Mongolian myths and traditions? Are you the author of a study on this topic? Share the information, indicate the sources of your awareness, the reader of VO would be interesting

      I read the research of a certain researcher. So he claims that Khan Batu is in the Turkic dialect, in Russian Batya. In general, one and the same person, the famous prince.
      I don’t even know if it can be referenced, or will it be considered bad form?
      1. Talgarets 22 June 2019 13: 23 New
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        Khan Batu is in the Turkic dialect, in Russian Batya
        and Temnik Mamai is mom ...
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    3. Dzungar 23 June 2019 18: 35 New
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      This is a strange audience ... They live in cities in Europe, they don’t have a clue about the steppe life at all, and they ask me indignantly, "what do you know about the life of the steppe man .. ??" They judge the events and the state of life of 800 years ago according to the current situation - they look at the current Mongolia and ask - "how could they defeat us .. ??? They’re savages, they’re uneducated, they don’t have any economy .." finally, or something else ..... It is not clear. Or maybe they just work off their bread ......
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    tth 20 June 2019 16: 10 New
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    Quote: Trilobite Master
    if you cross an unfinished Japanese (Mongol) and a Jew - what happens?

    Michael, with all due respect ... I appreciate your scientific approach to writing articles, but let's leave these experiments to Klesov and his followers. Especially considering the fact that the haplogroup is transmitted only through the male line.
    1. master lord 21 June 2019 19: 04 New
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      and it’s even better to remember that less than 0,001% was examined, so that all these studies are nonsense
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  16. gorenina91 22 June 2019 07: 25 New
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    -Something all of this looks somewhat .... mmmm ...- allegorical ...

    -The steppe Mongols suddenly boarded the ships (and their horses also suddenly became seafarers and “agreed” to drink sea water) .. and then there were fierce storms “fussed” in time (and more than once) ... -Somehow ...- far-fetched ...
    -Well, it’s clear that the Mongols didn’t make the Marines ... but they rushed to these impoverished Japanese islands so much ... -Or they hoped that there they would find vast pastures and boundless steppes ...- Hot, moist, mostly tropical climate ...- The main food of local ...- is rice, vegetables (sweet potato, radish ...- raw and pickled) and seafood ... -And the Mongols never ate fish at all ...- and now they don’t eat ...; Yes, and vegetables for the Mongols ...- all these .... "Japanese radish and sweet potato" ..- also the food is not suitable ...
    -Horses in Japan. -Nothing to feed either ... -In general, then in Japan the horses were very weak ...- not the climate was there for horses ...- give them boundless expanses and pastures..and places for plentiful watering places. ...- A Mongol without a horse .. -it's just a miserable parody of a Mongol ... -Hahah ...
    -Here, when you read about the invasion of "countless Mongol hordes" into Russia ...- and then they always take doubts ... -And when about the "Mongolian Marines" ...- it's just without comment ...
    1. Dzungar 23 June 2019 18: 46 New
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      Do you know the tasks of the Marine Corps ...? So the Mongolian cavalry was not going to land on an unequipped coast by storm to take it. The battles described especially for you took place in the usual manner - on land, in the fields. AS ALWAYS. Your cleverness about the “Mongolian mounted marines” is, to put it mildly, stupid. Read carefully. Delve into. Farther. The Mongols on the Japanese islands "flooded" for the same purpose and in the same order as Russia - to enter the territory, conquer, destroy the resistance, impose tribute and leave. To live there constantly, as well as in Russia, the MONGOLS did not gather, I think so, and not just me .... They did the job and returned to their usual conditions, as it already was ... Is it really difficult to understand all this ...? You need to put these stupid questions so that you as a child would chew all this ...?
      1. gorenina91 24 June 2019 11: 43 New
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        -Are you okay..? - Are you adequate.?
        -Then I will explain to you personally again ...
        - “The Mongolian Marines.” This is irony, but, nevertheless ...- it was part of the tasks of modern marines that invaded the Mongols invading Japan (if there was any such invasion at all) ... - -It was a "horse Mongolian Marines "... -Hahah ...
        - They were going to stay in Japan, the Mongols or not ...- this was not discussed at all ... -And what was said then .. ???
        -And it was said that horses should be given good, suitable food for them every day and given them fresh fresh water (in a rather large amount) ...
        - “Sand ...- a poor substitute for oats” ...- this is from O'Henry “The Leader of the Redskins” ... -Hahah ...
        -Mongols themselves mainly ate meat, cereals and a large number of dairy products (sometimes in a "critical situation" ...- drank the blood of their horses) ... -Mongols did not eat fish at all (but any crab, lobster, shrimp and other marine bastards ...- the Mongols would reject immediately) ... -Removed the Mongols and radish and sweet potatoes and shoots of young bamboo, etc. ... -This is a diet for the Japanese ..
        -Without a horse, a Mongol warrior immediately lost 80 percent of all his fighting efficiency and mobility ...- this at once, and in the future ...- just turned into a miserable parody of a warrior ... -Not of any conquests were out of the question. .. -there, it’s as if to survive ... -And the Mongols were not going to (if they organized such a troublesome naval invasion of Japan) after "their victory" immediately leave Japan ... -It still had some time be content with the unusual conditions of the poor islands ... -And what would happen to the Mongolian horses ....
        -So why would the steppe Mongols invade the impoverished Japan, unsuitable for them on all sides, by all means ..? -I question the very fact of such an invasion ...
        - There is great doubt about the Mongol invasion of Russia ... -But here (if there was such an invasion and a 300-year-old yoke at all), the Mongols could even move on horseback mobile ... -huge pastures, a large number of rivers, etc. ... -Let them do it ...
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          -Without a horse, a Mongol warrior immediately lost 80 percent of all his fighting efficiency and mobility ...- this at once, and in the future ...- just turned into a miserable parody of a warrior ...
          There’s nothing more to talk about with you ...... As there’s nothing to talk about with a dummy about the super duper the great and completely clean and impeccable history of his people (Is it his own ...? The question is asked so that under the guise of Russians there’s a lot of drowning crooks who earn extra money on inciting ethnic hatred in Russia ...) THERE DOES NOT HAPPEN ... There are no peoples with a clean, perfect and spotless history ..... And the contempt and anger towards others is a mandatory appendix to the status of a dummy (that is, yours) nations, especially those who once had the honor of defeating yours (and maybe Your e) ancestors ...... As they say - WALKING VASYA
      2. Seal 24 June 2019 15: 53 New
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        Do you know the tasks of the Marine Corps ...? So the Mongolian cavalry was not going to land on an unequipped coast by storm to take it.

        And that the "Mongolian cavalry" was so well oriented on the sea coast of Japan that it knew where the equipped coast, and where not equipped? And this, given the numerous typhoons and tsunamis that make any equipped coastline not equipped for 2 to 3 hours. Oh well hi

        As in your enlightened opinion, the ships on which the "Mongolian cavalry" allegedly were transported to Japan were:
        - keel or not?
        - sailing or rowing?
        - hold or not?
        What overall dimensions did these vessels have?

        And further. And what is the relationship between the Mongols and water in principle? Well, do the Mongols really like water?
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          And that the "Mongolian cavalry" was so well oriented on the sea coast of Japan that it knew where the equipped coast, and where not equipped? And this, given the numerous typhoons and tsunamis that make any equipped coastline not equipped for 2 to 3 hours. Oh well
          As far as we know from what was stated in the article, the Mongols did not need to navigate the Japanese coast. This should have been known to those who built and managed ships - the Chinese and Koreans, the peoples conquered by the Mongols .... Is it difficult for you to understand ...? Or do you really have to pretend to be silly ...?. Yes, yes, typhoons and hurricanes there are not like storms, like light breezes - every day and every other day ... Well, and the Japanese coast, it is certainly very severe - places suitable landing two times and miscalculated. And given your daily typhoons and hurricanes - not at all ....
          As in your enlightened opinion, the ships on which the "Mongolian cavalry" allegedly were transported to Japan were:
          - keel or not?
          - sailing or rowing?
          - hold or not?
          What overall dimensions did these vessels have?
          I don’t know ... It matters to those interested in the ships of that era. I do not belong to such., And therefore there will be no empty cleverness, like yours. It only turns out you ....
          And further. And what is the relationship between the Mongols and water in principle? Well, do the Mongols really like water?
          And what's the difference how a Mongol warrior relates to water ...? There is an order - and it is executed. And this is not even a modern army with modern legislation where there is the phrase "criminal order" ... This is a medieval army, especially the Mongol army with its high discipline. And the failure to fulfill the order is punished quickly and radically ... My advice to you is to stop demonstrating your limited mental abilities, like the same dummy lady who wrote above .... I understand you very much, you seem very smart to yourself. But your writings personally tell me something completely different .....
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            Again, idle talk.
            This should have been known to those who built and controlled ships - the Chinese and Koreans, the peoples subjugated by the Mongols ....

            What should they know? What, the Chinese or the Koreans had previously once before made a landing on the coast of Japan? Even your traditional story does not know this. So they didn’t. And if some Chinese or Korean merchant or fisherman approached the coast of Japan, then firstly, even if he was not alone, then in any case not in the quantity that you are telling us about here. And to go ashore to a single vessel or a couple of ships and transport the cargo by boat to the shore or go to the mouth of the river and unload the cargo there from the gangway and the landing of numerous troops from a huge number of ships - these are two huge differences. How many ships do you have .. over 100? Or over 1000?
            I don’t know ... It matters to those interested in the ships of that era.
            This is important for establishing the fact whether we are dealing with documents or with regular fiction. Let me remind you what the young travelers who read by F. Cooper and others burned on, after which they tried to swim through Odessa to America and fight there for the freedom of the Indians. The few who managed to get on board the vessel and even hide in the hold, after some time began to feel the need to cope with a great natural need. But none of the writers wrote about this very thing. And these woeful travelers with extremely guilty faces knocked on the door, asked to let them out of the hold and show where the toilet is. laughing .
            I do not belong to such.,
            It goes without saying that you do not belong to lovers to establish the truth through documents. You belong to those who are hiding in the hold in the hope of sailing to America.
            This is a medieval army, especially the Mongol army with its high discipline.
            All this talk about the highest discipline comes from the fact that it is necessary to explain not only the inexplicable, but also never been in reality. Since nowhere and never do we see a similar (bookish) super-duper discipline (even in the super-disciplined Third Reich there was no such level of discipline that, according to all kinds of writers, the "medieval Mongols" reached), then like all the extreme cases we must find this statement incredible and exclude it.
            And what's the difference how a Mongol warrior relates to water ...
            Yes, a huge difference. If someone is sure that when he enters the ship he will surely die a terrible death, which he is prepared by terrible water dragons, then he will prefer to die from an arrow on land. But he will not step on any ship.
            But your writings personally tell me something completely different .....
            Oh, how I want to directly answer what your scribble tells me. But site rules are site rules.
            Now specifically.
            Here is your Hakato bay, in which the divine wind allegedly swept the "ancient Mongol fleet."

            Firstly, for 900 ships to enter it, it will take at least two weeks.
            No more than 100 ships can accommodate at a time.
            And most importantly. Hakato Bay is a refuge bay. That is, that bay, where ships can take refuge from the waves and wind. Because there is a very narrow entrance to the bay. More precisely, two inputs. And no matter where the wind blows, there is always a lee safe place in the bay. The islands there are located just surprisingly well for the safe sludge of ships during a storm.
            1. Dzungar 4 July 2019 17: 52 New
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              You are right - HERE IS ONE OF YOUR FORMATION ..... I didn’t even read all this your garbage ....
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                I didn’t even read all this garbage of yours ....
                A clear confirmation of how far apart the Mongols (jungars) and the sea are. hi
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              I agree with you Sergey Petrovich ... If you look from the standpoint of common sense, the bredin is the most perfect ... 900 ships !!! Well this is what kind of infrastructure you need to have in order to build such a number of ships in such a short time .. It’s immediately clear that the author simply tore his opus from somewhere without even bothering to simply analyze it ...
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      Or they hoped that there they would find vast pastures and endless steppes ... - Hot, humid, mostly tropical climate ...

      Google then nebylo, so-and-so. Therefore, they did not know what climate they were popping into. But why did they go - this is understandable, since ancient times - for prey. And why else are wars being arranged? Due to the fact that one leader showed the middle finger to another? Come on, this is only for propaganda, so that "cannon fodder" would rather be slaughtered.
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    Impressed
    the abbot of the monastery wrote that with the prayers of his brotherhood the deity of their temple from the top of its roof threw lightning bolts into the Chinese fleet
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    Myoko shurai ecotoba is the original.
    Hmm, somehow the author circumvented such an important issue, or rather, issues related to this script. Who, when and under what circumstances first discovered this document. Is it known from the 13th century? Or since the 14th? Or since the 15th? Or since the 16th? or from the 17th? Or since the 18th? Where (in what documents) it is noted that "The Emperor or Shogun (or some other figure) such-and-such (full name) today all morning (year, month, day) looked at the scroll" Myoko shuri ecotoba "and received the greatest pleasure even before at the end of the day I was in a good mood. In the evening, the emperor (shogun) announced that he would again examine this scroll through one full moon, but in an expanded form. "
    If someone writes that the original, known since the 13th century, it would be nice to get confirmation that this is the original and it is the 13th century that is something more extraordinary than the author’s honest word.
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    Quote: gorenina91
    Here, when you read about the invasion of "countless Mongol hordes" in Russia ... - and then they always take doubts.
    Przhevalsky on them (traditional Mongolian horses and camels) decently burned out. In his notes, he noted with regret that representatives of the traditional Mongolian horse breed are so endemic that, getting into conditions with a better feed base, the Mongolian horses (and camels) were not inspired, but fell ill and died.
    And he bought them for money from the Mongols.
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    Quote: glory1974
    So he claims that Khan Batu is in the Turkic dialect, in Russian Batya.
    Batys in Turkic dialects - Western.
    Shagys in Turkic dialects - Eastern.
    Any khan whose possessions are located west of the observer is Batys Khan (Bytai Khan).
    Any Khan whose possessions are located east of the observer is Shagys Khan (Genghis Khan).
    Therefore, in traditional history, Batu was never in the east. Even the notorious kurultai did not go. He is western. So Batu must stay in the West. hi
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    Modern Italians living modestly

    Well, these at least 600 years knew about their "ancient greatness." And the hulk learned that they are in fact "the very Mongols" - about 200 years old. And even less than that.
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    I read some comments and wonder how you get such obscurantism. Some almost agree that there were no Mongols at all. There are a bunch of sources, Chinese, Persian, Mongolian, etc. about the Mongols. And the Mongols themselves pretty well know their story, which can not be said about some here commenting
  23. georggy 30 June 2019 04: 44 New
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    all these are Japanese fairy tales on the night of a new time for an amateur.
    lies.
  24. nafanal 30 August 2019 11: 36 New
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    Enchanting nonsense ... I wonder where he tore off all this ... Here is one question for the author ... How many boats, or at least rafts, he made with his own hands ...