F-117A "Stealth" - from Panama to Yugoslavia

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F-117A "Stealth" - from Panama to Yugoslavia


Su-27 - highly maneuverable aircraft to achieve superiority in the air. Built around 600 machines of all modifications.
The F-16 "Fighting Falcon" is a lightweight multi-purpose fighter. Built 4500 machines.
F-117A "Nighthawk" - subsonic tactical strike aircraft made using "stealth" technology. Built 59 drill machines and 5 prototype YF-117.
Question: how a plane built in such a negligible amount could become one of the most striking symbols aviation the end of the twentieth century? Stealth sounds like a verdict. 59 tactical bombers turned into a terrible scarecrow, the most terrible threat that overshadowed all other military means of NATO countries.
What is it? The result of the unusual appearance of the aircraft, along with aggressive PR? Or, indeed, the revolutionary technical solutions used in the Lockheed F-117, allowed to create an aircraft with unique fighting qualities?

Technology "Stealth"

This is the name of a set of methods for reducing the visibility of combat vehicles in the radar, infrared and other areas of the detection spectrum through specially developed geometric shapes, radio absorbing materials and coatings, which significantly reduces the detection range and thereby increases the survival rate of the combat vehicle.

Everything new is well forgotten old. Even 70 years ago, the Germans were very upset by the British high-speed bomber DeHavilland Mosquito. High speed was only half the problem. During the interception attempts, it suddenly turned out that the all-wood “Mosquito” was practically invisible on the radar - the tree was transparent to radio waves.

This property was even more possessed by the German “wunderwaffe” Go.229, a jet fighter-bomber, created by the program 1000 / 1000 / 1000. The whole wood miracle without vertical keels, similar to a stingray fish, was logically completely invisible to the British radars of those years. The appearance of Go.229 is very similar to the modern American stealth bomber B-2 "Spirit", which gives some reason to believe that the American designers kindly used the ideas of their colleagues from the Third Reich.

On the other hand, the Horten brothers, creating their Go.229, hardly gave the design some kind of sacral meaning, they only seemed to be a promising "flying wing" scheme. Under the terms of the military order, Go.229 was supposed to deliver one ton of bombs to a range of 1000 km at a speed of 1000 km / h. And stealth - it was the tenth case.

In addition, attention was paid to reducing radar visibility when building a strategic bomber Avro Vulkan (UK, 1952 year) and supersonic strategic reconnaissance SR-71 "Black Bird" (USA, 1964 year).

The first studies in this area showed that flat forms with tapering sides have a smaller ESR (“effective scattering area” is a key parameter for aircraft visibility). In order to reduce radar visibility, the vertical tail was tilted relative to the plane of the aircraft so as not to create a right angle with the fuselage, which is an ideal reflector. For Blackbird, multilayer ferromagnetic coatings that absorb radar radiation were specially developed.

In short, by the time of the start of work on the secret project “Senor Trend” - the creation of an inconspicuous strike aircraft - the engineers already had good experience in reducing the EPR of the aircraft.

"Night Hawk"

When developing "invisible" for the first time in stories the goal was to reduce all aircraft’s unmasking factors without exception: the ability to reflect radar radiation, radiate electromagnetic waves, emit sound, leave smoky and inversion traces, and also be visible in the infrared.

Of course, there was no radar station on the F-11A7 - it was impossible to use such a device in conditions of compliance with secrecy. During the flight in the stealth mode, all the onboard radio communication systems, the “friend-foe” responder and the radio altimeter must be turned off, and the sighting and navigation system must operate in the passive mode. The only exception is the laser illumination of the target; it turns on after a reset of the corrected aerial bomb. The lack of modern avionics, combined with problematic aerodynamics, as well as longitudinal static and ground-state instability, meant a great risk when piloting the “invisible”.



To reduce design time and eliminate many technical problems, the designers used a number of proven elements of existing aircraft on the F-117A. So, the engines for the "stealth" took from the deck fighter-bomber F / A-18, some elements of the control system - from the F-16. Also in the plane used a number of nodes from the epic SR-71 and training aircraft T-33. As a result, such an innovative machine was designed faster and cheaper than a conventional strike aircraft. Lockheed is proud of this fact, hinting at the use of advanced CAD at the time (CAD systems). Although there is a different opinion - just because of the secrecy, the “invisible” program avoided the stage of lengthy and often pointless discussion in Congress and other bastions of American democracy.

Now it’s worth making a few remarks about the Stealth technology itself, implemented on the Nighthawk aircraft (it's not a secret that reducing the aircraft’s radar visibility can be achieved in different ways; the same PAK FA implements completely different principles - parallel edges and flattened shape fuselage). In the case of the F-117A, this was the apotheosis of the technology "stealth" - everything was subordinated to exceptionally stealth, despite the aerobatic qualities of the machine. After 30 years after the creation of the aircraft, many interesting details became known.

In theory, the stealth technology works as follows: the numerous faces implemented in the architecture of the aircraft scatter radar radiation in the direction opposite to the radar antenna. On which side of not trying to fix radar contact with the aircraft - this “curved mirror” will reflect the radio beam in the other direction. In addition, the external surfaces of the F-117 are inclined at an angle of more than 30 ° from the vertical, since Typically, aircraft are irradiated by ground-based radar at gentle angles.

If F-117 is irradiated from different angles and then to look at the reflection picture, then it turns out that the sharp edges of the F-117 case and the location of the discontinuity of the cladding provide the strongest "flare". Designers have ensured that their reflections are concentrated in several narrow sectors, rather than being distributed relatively evenly, as in the case of conventional aircraft. As a result, when the F-117 is irradiated with a radar, the reflected radiation is hardly distinguishable from the background noise, and the “dangerous sectors” are so narrow that the radar cannot extract sufficient information from them.
All the contours of the articulation of the cockpit canopy and fuselage, the landing gear flaps and the weapon compartment have sawtooth edges, with the sides of the teeth oriented in the direction of the desired sector.

An electrically conductive coating has been applied to the glazing of the cockpit canopy, designed to prevent exposure of the inside cabin equipment and pilot equipment - a microphone, a helmet, night vision goggles. For example, the reflection from the pilot's helmet may be much greater than from the entire aircraft.

F-117 air intakes are covered with special grilles with cell sizes close to half the wavelength of radars operating in the centimeter range. The resistivity of the gratings is optimized for the absorption of radio waves, and it increases with the depth of the grating in order to prevent a surge of resistance (which increases reflection) at the air interface.

All external surfaces and internal metal elements of the aircraft are painted with ferromagnetic paint. Its black color not only masks the F-117 in the night sky, but also contributes to the dissipation of heat. As a result, the ESR "stealth" under irradiation from the front and tail angles is reduced to 0,1-0,01 м2, which is approximately 100-200 times less than that of an ordinary aircraft of similar dimensions.

If we consider that the most massive air defense missile systems of the Warsaw Pact countries (С-75, С-125, С-200, "Circle", "Cube") that were in service at that time could have fired targets with an EPR of at least 1 м2, Nighthawk’s chances of penetrating enemy airspace with impunity looked very impressive. From here and the first production plans: to release in addition to the 5 pre-production still 100 production aircraft.



Designers "Lockheed" have taken a number of measures to reduce the thermal radiation of their offspring. The area of ​​air intakes made more than required for normal operation of the engines, and the excess cold air was sent to mix with hot exhaust gases to reduce their temperature. Very narrow nozzles form an almost flat shape of the exhaust jet, which contributes to its rapid cooling.

Wobblin 'goblin

"Lame Dwarf" and not otherwise. That is what the pilots themselves call F-117A as a joke. Optimizing the shape of the airframe according to the criterion of reducing visibility so worsened the aerodynamics of the car that there could be no talk of any "aerobatics" or supersonic.
When the leading aerodynamics of the company Dick Cantrell was first shown the desired configuration of the future F-117A, he had a nervous breakdown. When he came to himself and realized that he was dealing with an unusual aircraft, during the creation of which the first violin was played not by his profile specialists, but by some electricians, he set before his subordinates the only possible task - to make this “grand piano” able to somehow fly.

Angular fuselage, sharp front edges of the surfaces, the wing profile formed by straight segments - all this is poorly suited for subsonic flight. Despite the relatively high thrust-to-weight ratio, the Night Hawk is a limitedly manoeuvrable machine, with low speed, relatively short range and poor take-off and landing characteristics. Its aerodynamic quality during the landing approach was only about 4-x, which corresponds to the level of the Space Shuttle. On the other hand, at high speed, the F-117A can confidently maneuver with a six-fold overload. Aerodynamics Dick Kentrell still got his way.

October 26 1983, the operational readiness reached the first unit of the "invisible" - tactical group 4450 (4450th TG) at the airbase Tonopah. According to the pilots' memories, this meant the following: a strike aircraft in the dark somehow reached a specified area, detected a point target and had to “put” a high-precision laser-guided bomb into it. No other combat use was foreseen for the F-117A.
Due to the increase in the number of F-117 5 in October 1989, the group was reformed into the 37 tactical fighter wing (37th TFW), consisting of two combat and one training squadron + reserve vehicles. As part of each squadron, according to the schedule, there were 18 “Naythokes”, but in only 5-6 of them could begin to perform a combat mission at any time, the rest stayed on heavy maintenance forms.

Almost all this time around the "stealth" did not weaken the strict secrecy regime. Although the Avonabaz Tonopah was one of the most protected Air Force bases, additional, truly draconian measures were taken there to hide the truth about the F-117A. In this case, the American reformers often practiced very ingenious decisions. So, in order to scare away idle "aviation lovers" from among the personnel of the base, special stencils such as "radiation" were applied to the F-117A and service equipment, "carefully! high voltage "and other" horror stories. " On a plane with this appearance, they did not look meaningless at all.

Only in 1988, the Pentagon decided to publish the official press release about the “stealth plane”, providing the public with a retouched photo of the F-117A. In April, 1990 held the first public demonstration of the aircraft. Of course, the F-117A view impressed the global aviation community. He became almost the most daring challenge to the traditional concepts of aerodynamics in the entire history of human flights. The Americans assigned to the "one hundred and seventeenth" the responsible role of a convincing example of the technological superiority of the United States over the rest of the world, and they did not spare money to prove this statement. "Nighthok" received a permanent residence permit on the covers of magazines, became the coolest hero of Hollywood and the star of world air shows.

Combat application

As for the first real combat use of the F-117A, it occurred during the overthrow of the regime of General Noriega in Panama. Until now, there is a dispute whether or not the F-117A has been guided by a guided bomb across the territory of a Panamanian military base. The Panamanian guards, awakened by a close blast, ran into the jungle in their pants. Naturally, there was no resistance to the "stealth" and the plane went back without loss.

Much more serious was the massive use of "Stealth" in the war in the Persian Gulf in the winter of 1991. The Gulf War was the largest military clash since the Second World War; 35 states were involved in the conflict to varying degrees (Iraq and 34 countries of the anti-Iraq coalition - multinational forces, MNF). On both sides, more than 1,5 million people took part in the conflict, there were more than 10,5 thousand. tanks, 12,5 thousand guns and mortars, more than 3 thousand combat aircraft and about 200 warships.

The Iraqi air defense had the following types of air defense missile systems:
C-75 Dvina (SA-2 Guideline) 20-30 batteries (100-130 PU);
C-125 Neva (SA-3 Goa) - 140 launchers;
"Square" (SA-6 Gainful) - 25 batteries (100 launchers);
“Wasp” (SA-8 Gecko) - near 50 complexes;
Strela-1 (SA-9 Gaskin) - near 400 complexes;
Strela-10 (SA-13 Gopher) - near 200 complexes;
"Roland-2" - 13 self-propelled and 100 stationary complexes;
HAWK - several complexes were captured in Kuwait, but were not used.

Early warning radars made it possible to detect targets at an altitude of 150 meters in most cases outside the airspace of Iraq (and Kuwait), while targets at altitudes above 6 km are detected far inland Saudi Arabia (on average - 150-300 km).
The developed network of observation points connected by permanent lines of communication with information collection centers made it possible to effectively detect low-altitude targets, such as cruise missiles, for example.



Midnight from 16 to 17 on January 1991 was the high point of F-117A, when the first group of 10 Nighhocks of the 415 squadron, each carrying two 907-kg adjustable GBU-27 bombs, flew up to inflict the first blows in a new war. In 3.00 local time, “invisible”, not detected by the air defense system, attacked two command posts of the air defense sectors, the Air Force headquarters in Baghdad, the combined command and control center in Al Taji, the government residence and the 112-meter Baghdad radio tower.
F-117А always worked autonomously, without involving EW aircraft, since jamming could attract the attention of the enemy. In general, stealth operations were planned so that the closest Allied aircraft was at a distance of at least 100 miles from them.

Serious threat to the "stealth" was represented by anti-aircraft artillery and short-range air defense systems with optical detection and aiming systems, of which Iraq had quite a few (Strela-2 (SA-7 Grail) MANPADS, SA-3 Gremlin), "Needle-14" (SA-1 Gimlet), as well as anti-aircraft guns (ZU-16-23, ZSU-2-23 "Shilka", C-4, ZSU-60-57). The pilots were forbidden to descend below 2, to avoid entering the affected area of ​​these funds.

In general, during the F-117A war, they carried out 1271 sorties with a duration of 7000 hours and dropped 2087 laser-guided bombs from the GBU-10 and GBU-27 laser systems with a total mass of about 2000 tons. The low-profile attack aircraft hit 40% of ground targets, while, according to version P, hit the submarine airplanes that hit 42% of priority ground targets, while, according to version P, the attack aircraft hit XNUMX% of priority ground targets, while, according to version P, the attack aircraft hit XNUMX% of priority ground targets, while, according to version P, the attack aircraft hit XNUMX with priority ground targets. none of the XNUMX stealth was lost. This is especially strange, given that we are dealing with a subsonic low-maneuverable machine without any constructive protection.

In particular, the commander of the Air Force of multinational forces in the Persian Gulf zone, Lieutenant General C. Gorner, cites two raids against heavily-defended Iraqi nuclear facilities in Al-Tuwa, south of Baghdad. The first raid was carried out during the day in January 18, 32 it involved an aircraft F-16C, armed conventional unguided bombs, accompanied 16 fighter F-15C, four directors EF-111 interference antiradar eight F-4G and tankers COP 15-135. This large aviation group failed to complete the task. The second raid was carried out at night by eight F-117A, accompanied by two tankers. This time, the Americans destroyed three of the four Iraqi nuclear reactors.
In the furthest place, the F-117A occasionally appeared in Iraq’s airspace, during Operation Desert Fox (1998) and the invasion of Iraq (2003).

Stealth hunting


"Sorry, we did not know that the plane was invisible"


I remember that day well, 27 March 1999 of the year. ORT channel, evening program "Time". Live report from Yugoslavia, people dancing on the wreckage of an American plane. The old woman remembers that it was in this place that the Messerschmitt once crashed. The next frame, something NATO representative mumbles, then again went shots with the wreckage of a black plane ...



The Yugoslav air defenses did the impossible - in the area of ​​the village of Budanovtsi (a suburb of Belgrade) a “stealth” was shot down. The invisible aircraft was destroyed by an air defense system of the C-125 3 battery 250 of the air defense brigade commanded by the Hungarian Zoltan Dani. There is also a version that the F-117A was shot down from a cannon by a MiG-29 fighter who established direct visual contact with him. According to the American version, "one hundred and seventeenth" changed the flight mode, at this moment in front of the air intake grilles there was a pressure surge that unmasked the aircraft. The invulnerable plane was shot down in front of the whole world. The battery commander, Zoltan Dani, on the contrary, claims that he directed a rocket using a French thermal imager.

As for the stealth pilot, Lieutenant Colonel Dale Zelko managed to eject and hid all night on the outskirts of Belgrade, until his radio beacon spotted EC-130. A few hours later, HH-53 Pave Low search and rescue helicopters arrived and evacuated the pilot.
In total, during the NATO aggression against Yugoslavia, the "stealth" made 850 combat missions.



Fragments of a downed F-117A "Night hawk" (serial number 82-0806) are carefully stored at the Aviation Museum in Belgrade, along with fragments of an F-16 aircraft. These losses are officially recognized by the United States.
Also on display is the engine from the A-10 “Thunderbolt II” attack aircraft, which was cut off from MANPADS, the aircraft itself made an emergency landing at Skopje airport (the incident was officially recognized by the NATO command). Locals found a strange detail and gave it to the military.
Of other interest is the wreckage of the Tomahawk rocket and the RQ-1 lightweight drone Predator (the Serbs claim to have shot down, the Americans that it landed itself due to engine failure).


Fragments of a downed F-16C



Wreckage of the RQ-1 Predator at the Aviation Museum in Belgrade


Actually, all the debris that is in the museum - were officially recognized by the United States, including the loss of two combat aircraft - the "invisible" F-117A and the F-16 fighter. Other numerous air victories claimed by Serbia by the NATO command are denied.
As for the "invisible", the Serbs say that they knocked at least three F-117A, but two were able to reach the NATO air bases, where they were written off on arrival. Therefore, they have no debris. The statement causes some doubt - the damaged F-117A could not fly far. Even a serviceable "hundred eighteenth" flew very badly - the pilot could not control this "flying iron" without the help of electronic systems to increase stability. There is even no backup mechanical control system on the plane - anyway, if the electronics fail, a person cannot cope with the F-117A. Therefore, any malfunction for the "stealth" is fatal, the plane can not fly on the same engine or with damaged planes.

By the way, in addition to the downed F-117A, according to official data, during the 30 years of operation, six “invisibles” were lost over the territory of the United States during training flights. Most often, the "stealth" fought because of the loss of orientation of the pilots. For example, on the night of June 11 1986, the F-117A (792 tail number) crashed into the mountain, the pilot died. Another tragicomic event occurred on September 14 1997, when during an air show in Maryland the F-117A fell apart in the air.

April 22 The X-NUMX of the F-2008A "Nighthawk" took off for the last time. As time has shown, the very idea of ​​a highly specialized aircraft in the design of which “stands out” for any one quality (in this case, a small EPR) to the detriment of another, turned out to be of little prospect. After the disappearance of the USSR, in new conditions, the requirements of economy, simplicity of operation and multifunctionality of aviation complexes began to appear in the first place. And in all these parameters, the F-117A "Nighthawk" significantly lost to the strike aircraft F-117E "Strike Eagle." Now it is based on the F-15E created subtle plane F-15SE "Silent Eagle."

F-117A crash video at Maryland airshow

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  1. vadimus
    +20
    30 June 2012 08: 55
    It’s not a secret that oilmen are kings of public relations, and Hollywood can work wonders in the eyes of the whole world. Here is a cinema ...
    1. +10
      30 June 2012 10: 15
      How could a plane built in such an insignificant amount become one of the most striking symbols of aviation at the end of the XNUMXth century?
      The author himself answered his own question, as they say "to the point", there is nothing to add:
      The result of the unusual appearance of the aircraft, coupled with aggressive PR
      1. Gym teacher
        -37
        30 June 2012 12: 17
        Quote: andrey586
        The result of the unusual appearance of the aircraft, coupled with aggressive PR


        But what about effective combat use? For example, the Su-27 NEVER took part in a battle. Purely ostentatious aircraft for air shows. But in war, acrobats are useless; completely different qualities are appreciated there.

        Unlike Drying, F-117A was effectively used around the world, hence the military glory

        1. +16
          30 June 2012 13: 54
          Quote: Fizruk
          Unlike Drying, F-117A was effectively used around the world, hence the military glory

          Please tell me why, after the second Baghdad campaign, the Americans eliminated this very efficient aircraft within three, four years as a combat unit. Only a request for fables about financing is not necessary.
          1. +22
            30 June 2012 14: 23
            saturn.mmm
            I have a version - they removed it from service, horrified by its military power, and finally from humanism ......
          2. Rider
            -9
            30 June 2012 16: 29
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            After the second Baghdad campaign, the Americans eliminated as a military unit within three, four years


            The F-117A was decommissioned in 2008, five years after the "second Baghdad campaign." But not the point. By 2008, the F-117A aircraft were between 18 and 30 years old. Moreover, by that time, new F-22s had appeared. I think you will draw the conclusion yourself
            1. +11
              30 June 2012 17: 22
              Quote: Ryder
              F-117A was removed from service in 2008,

              Dear Ryder, in 2008 the last F-117 was withdrawn from service.

              Quote: Ryder
              By 2008, the F-117A was between 18 and 30 years old.

              The Americans have such aircraft as the B-52 so their average age is 48 years and they plan to operate them until 2040.
              Quote: Ryder
              Moreover, by that time there were new F-22s.

              You understand the difference between a strike aircraft and an air superiority aircraft. These aircraft should essentially fly out and complement each other.
              1. Rider
                -8
                30 June 2012 19: 19
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                Dear Ryder, in 2008 the last F-117 was withdrawn from service.


                For 2008, there were 15 F-117s in service, which were from 18 to 25 years old, older cars were decommissioned by this time, two were installed as pedestals at the Nellis and Wright-Patterson air bases

                Quote: saturn.mmm
                The Americans have such aircraft as the B-52 so their average age is 48 years and they plan to operate them until 2040.

                This does not mean that their peers, the F-4 Phantom, should be operated until 2040 (by the way, the Phantoms in the US were removed from service by EMNIP in 1994).
                The exception only confirms the rule - the average aircraft life is about 25-30 years, F-117 fits into these terms.

                Quote: saturn.mmm
                You understand the difference between a strike aircraft and an air superiority aircraft. These aircraft should essentially fly out and complement each other.

                Where did you read that the F-22 were supposed to work together with the F-117?
                In the article, for example, it is stated that during combat missions no aircraft should approach the stealth closer than 100 miles.

                The F-22 is just an example of the development of stealth technologies. The Americans have much more formidable strike "stealth" - machines: strategic B-2 and tactical F-15SE
                1. +3
                  30 June 2012 21: 02
                  Quote: Ryder
                  The F-22 is just an example of the development of stealth technologies. The Americans have much more formidable percussion "stealth" machines:

                  I repeat, F-22 is not a strike aircraft. If you think that two bombs of 250 kg each made him shock, then I don’t think so. The question is how old the F-15 is and I’ll answer right away since 1976 36 years have passed and nothing has been successfully modernized, and so far there’s no question of removing it from service.
                  And you think that with such performance characteristics as the F-117 with normally developed air defense there are many chances?
                  Maximum speed: 993 km / h (0,91 M)
                  Cruising speed: 905 km / h (0,83 M)
                  Distance: 1720 km

                  Combat radius: 860 km

                  Service ceiling: 13700 m
                  Maximum exp. overload: +6 G
                  And lastly a joke:
                  The Chukchi sits in the Tundra and is relieved in large measure and two sticks stick out in the ground.
                  They ask him:
                  -And why two sticks?
                  - For one I hold that the wind would not carry away, and I drive away the second wolf.
                2. Denzel13
                  -1
                  2 July 2012 00: 44
                  But do not confuse the different classes of aircraft, which the US Air Force itself classifies as a tactical attack plane and a strategic one. Be consistent in your conclusions. Or does the kama-sutra (US State Department) not allow?
        2. Corneli
          +11
          30 June 2012 13: 59
          But what about effective combat use? For example, the Su-27 NEVER took part in a battle. Purely ostentatious aircraft for air shows. But in war, acrobats are useless; completely different qualities are appreciated there.Gym teacher,

          In 1999-2000, several Su-27s took part in the Ethiopo-Eritrean war as part of the Ethiopian Air Force. In aerial combat, they shot down 3 Eritrean MiG-29s (another MiG may have been decommissioned due to damage), without incurring losses [33]. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%83-27

          Sometimes you need to read at least a couple before writing)
          1. +4
            30 June 2012 14: 25
            Cornel So the Chukchi is a writer, not a reader! :))))))))
          2. Rider
            -12
            30 June 2012 16: 31
            Quote: Corneli
            In 1999-2000, several Su-27s took part in the Ethiopo-Eritrean war as part of the Ethiopian Air Force. In aerial combat, they shot down 3 Eritrean MiG-29s (another MiG may have been decommissioned due to damage), without incurring losses


            A very vague story without any concrete facts and evidence.
            Bad argument for an airplane that claims to be the "best 4th generation fighter".

            At the same time, F-117s carried out 1300 sorties in Iraq and 850 in Yugoslavia + periodic participation in other conflicts. On the account of these machines, the destroyed nuclear complex in Tuwait and the most important military facilities in Iraq
            1. 77bor1973
              +6
              30 June 2012 17: 38
              no need to compare machines of different types and characteristics! It is more difficult for a fighter to prove himself in local conflicts with different balance of power between the warring parties!
            2. Corneli
              +5
              30 June 2012 23: 52
              A very vague story without any concrete facts and evidence.
              Bad argument for an airplane that claims to be the "best 4th generation fighter".Rider,
              Firstly, it was an example for Mr. Fizruk ".. For example, the Su-27 never took part in a battle. A purely ostentatious plane ..."
              Secondly, without poking around, I just copied one of the lines from Wikipedia (by the way, since when did they start writing "foggy stories" without any hints of a nebula?))
              Thirdly, for a more adequate example, you can take the F-15 and ITS air battles and victories since 84 years (the year when dryers began to enter the troops) .... For offs during this period, they shot down 38 planes and helicopters in 4 wars ( Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia) of which even 9 minutes - 29. In general, I would not say that this is a LOT (despite the fact that the F-15 is a very serial aircraft, it consists of a bunch of countries and fights a lot, mostly true with " Papuans ")
              Unfortunately, for this discussion, countries, owners of dryers somehow do not particularly carry authoritarianism to other countries, here they are far from democrats (therefore there are no downfalls (
              1. Rider
                -4
                1 July 2012 14: 59
                Quote: Corneli
                take the F-15 and HIS aerial battles and victories from 84 years (the year the sushki entered the army).


                It is clear that the F-15 is older than the Su-27, American engineers ahead of the USSR by eight years.
                In the USSR, the MiG-23 was developed (first flight -1969), and in the United States at the same time they were working on a new generation fighter (F-15, first flight- 1972). Then they wondered why, in the Lebanese war (1980), the "Eagles", like seeds, snapped more than a dozen MiG-23s. After all, this is the latest Soviet technology !!!
                1. Denzel13
                  +1
                  2 July 2012 00: 53
                  Or maybe remember the teachings of the US Air Force-INDIA? What the US Air Force did not grow together with the Indian version of the MiG-21 and Su-30 (not even the MKI). Do you need links from American pilot reviews or will you find them yourself?
          3. Common sense
            +4
            30 June 2012 21: 46
            War of the Papuans with the Papuans does not count.
            1. staser
              +3
              30 June 2012 22: 12
              If the United States attacked Eritrea then this can be considered?
              In that case, write off more than half of the "glorious uses" of the F-117
        3. Argentum
          -3
          30 June 2012 19: 19
          ahaha neighing, SU-27 is one of the best aircraft of the 4th generation baby. Yes, yes, not only your patrons' planes are good. laughing
          By the way there is a video on YouTube (if I find a link) dated 2010. There you can see that F-117 flies in the air, so it still flies.
        4. -5
          30 June 2012 20: 35
          Well, m ... to you, read the story.
        5. staser
          +4
          30 June 2012 22: 18
          For example, the Su-27 NEVER took part in a battle. Purely ostentatious aircraft for air shows. But in war, acrobats are useless; completely different qualities are appreciated there.

          And now what? Do we need someone to declare war to just stupidly show the advantages of our Su-27?
          If you compare the F-117, then it is probably better with the Su-34, which by the way was used in battle, and very successfully!
          1. 755962
            +5
            1 July 2012 01: 03
            As time has shown, the very idea of ​​an airplane, in the design of which one quality "protrudes" (in this case, a low RCS) at the expense of others, turned out to be unpromising.
          2. Rider
            -4
            1 July 2012 15: 01
            Quote: staser
            just to stupidly show the advantages of our Su-27?


            Then how do you know that the Su-27 has any advantages?
            1. staser
              +2
              1 July 2012 21: 15
              Hello there. According to various characteristics that he shows during tests and training flights.
              Speaking of the war, it is generally necessary to take into account not only the aircraft + pilot, but also the correctly chosen strategy for the use of aircraft. And in my opinion is one of the important indicators.
              1. Rider
                -3
                1 July 2012 22: 58
                Quote: staser
                According to various characteristics that he shows during tests and training flights.


                So this is clowning. The Su-27 is supposedly more maneuverable, but the F-15 engines do not smoke (and this is important for close combat), and the technical equipment of the Eagle will not allow the Su-27 to get closer to the distance of close maneuverable combat. So decide who is better.
                And do not forget - Eagle is eight years older than the Su-27, from the mid 70s to the mid 80s he had no equal at all. His peer Mig-23, he tore the old newspaper like a hurricane. Drying was created as a response to the threat.

                Quote: staser
                Speaking about the war, it’s generally necessary to consider not only the airplane + pilot, but also the correctly chosen strategy for the use of aircraft.

                Then the Russian Air Force has no chance at all.
                1. Denzel13
                  +6
                  2 July 2012 01: 08
                  You are not a pilot and not a specialist, so do not carry nonsense ("engines do not smoke" and you do not need to talk about the MiG-23, the F-15 in the air would meet with the MiG-25, which will be older and there are still some alternatives in NATO can not see). Kstiti, where did the US get the desire to achieve the characteristics of the MiG-25? Where did the F-15 design itself come from? Something he did not reach the 25th level, not to mention the 31st. And your "super professional" F-15 comments will only improve on advertising brochures.
                  PS Read your favorite authors from among the US Air Force pilots, they have a slightly different opinion from you
                2. staser
                  +1
                  2 July 2012 01: 21
                  So this is clowning. The Su-27 is supposedly more maneuverable, but the F-15 engines do not smoke (and this is important for close combat), and the technical equipment of the Eagle will not allow the Su-27 to get closer to the distance of close maneuverable combat. So decide who is better.

                  Of the several indicators, the main one was selected, which suppressed all the others ... strange (usually this is done in advertisements). Decisions about who is technically better are also questionable. What is meant? Electronics? Well, this is also not a super-duper indicator (albeit a very important one).
                  Then the Russian Air Force has no chance at all.

                  Interesting information. Draw a conclusion about what I suppose you don’t know. Information that emerged against the background of messages in order to support your point of view, and which do not carry an information load.
        6. L. konstantin
          +2
          1 July 2012 02: 48
          and where is he getting on F 117 !? except Yugoslavia !? about the military superiority of su 27 over F 117! I would have said nothing at all and wouldn’t have poured here
          1. Rider
            -3
            1 July 2012 15: 02
            1300 sorties in Iraq
        7. -1
          1 July 2012 13: 29
          ugh on you am
        8. lesnik
          +1
          1 July 2012 14: 42
          fools, are you going to fight? run in ju, there are waiting for such
        9. Denzel13
          +1
          2 July 2012 00: 35
          And somehow it has already become a tradition among American pilots and their command staff to refuse even training air battles with the Su-27 and even on the F-22. This is apparently due to the complete "efficiency" and "unattainably high flight data" of American aircraft against the background of the Su-27.
          Or maybe it's just scary?
        10. SSR
          +1
          2 July 2012 00: 55
          read what normal people think .. without failing self-awareness. and much more .. what do you .. damage is not known and do not understand.
          http://inosmi.ru/asia/20120701/194370105.html

          read on.
          http://www.ru-news.ru/art_desc.php?aid=8196
        11. Bator79
          -1
          3 July 2012 07: 30
          Gym teacher,

          Quote: Fizruk
          But what about effective combat use? For example, the Su-27 NEVER took part in a battle. Purely ostentatious aircraft for air shows. But in war, acrobats are useless; completely different qualities are appreciated there.

          Unlike Drying, F-117A was effectively used around the world, hence the military glory

          and so what? F-22 is considered by some to be the best airplane today ... At the same time, they don’t use these aircraft in any of the 4 wars that they wage))))
        12. bonifacio
          0
          4 July 2012 14: 03
          If you count Hollywood, Iraq and Yugoslavia as a whole world, then yes !!! And you can still type in Google or another search engine the history of the SU-27 and read where he fought !?
        13. 0
          17 May 2017 17: 47
          Quote: Fizruk
          For example, the Su-27 NEVER took part in a battle.

          It was quite used in Ethiopia. read, then sketch.
      2. Dr.oPaSaYn
        0
        1 July 2012 15: 14
        FUNNY to call this flying iron aerodynamic like a brick. No maneuverability ... more likely for rat strikes ...
      3. SSR
        0
        2 July 2012 00: 56
        http://www.ru-news.ru/art_desc.php?aid=8196
        read.
  2. +5
    30 June 2012 09: 44
    Well, "Lame dwarf", it's to the point. And the truth is, when you look at this miracle of engineering, we can say with certainty, the aliens are among us !!! I was surprised that the F-117, which was starting to fall apart, was greeted by the audience with applause and hooting, did they think this was part of the show ???! And only after the debris fell into the forest, exclamations were heard appropriate to this circumstance, although this may be the record.
    1. Gym teacher
      -10
      30 June 2012 11: 59
      Quote: askold
      Well, "Lame dwarf", it's to the point. And the truth is, when you look at this miracle of engineering, we can say with certainty, the aliens are among us !!!


      I must admit, the plane is beautiful. Yes, it is unusual, but it looks very sinister. Cool technique!
      1. Ilyich
        +9
        30 June 2012 17: 51
        Quote: Fizruk
        I must admit, the plane is beautiful. Yes, it is unusual, but it looks very sinister. Cool technique!

        Beautiful ???? I was always jarred by his appearance. Especially this triangular roof above the cab.
        Just kill - it looks like a stink bug. laughing You know, they usually sit in raspberries. Also all such angular-square ... I don’t understand how this ax flies.
      2. Denzel13
        0
        2 July 2012 01: 13
        It reflects only the wretchedness of the imagination and knowledge of a person who admires him. Good luck
        Security question: 3 US Reich forced to complete and unconditional?
        The question is rhetorical, because the answer is on your part.
  3. -1
    30 June 2012 10: 23
    The second raid was carried out at night by eight F-117A escorted by two tankers. This time, the Americans destroyed three of the four Iraqi nuclear reactors.

    What is the author talking about? request

    PS
    article huge PLUS good
    1. -1
      2 July 2012 01: 18

      Trosky americké stíhačky F-117 sestřelené srbskou protiletadlovou obranou
      http://www.novinky.cz/zahranicni/svet/223119-cinane-svuj-neviditelny-letoun-zrej
      me-okopirovali-od-f-117-zricene-v-srbsku.html
  4. +4
    30 June 2012 10: 29
    Americans should be respected for their obstinacy - they made this thing fly right ...
    1. with
      +14
      30 June 2012 10: 57
      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
      Americans should be respected for their obstinacy - they made this thing fly right ...

      If I pump so much BABLA into my washing vacuum cleaner, it flies to Mars and back! bully
      1. +7
        30 June 2012 11: 09
        Yes, we would have had that kind of money for an expedition to Mars ..
      2. Gym teacher
        -8
        30 June 2012 12: 05
        Quote: met
        If you pump so many BABLA into my washing vacuum cleaner


        So, why did you get the idea that the F-117A is overly expensive ?? smile
        In 1990, each stealth cost America $ 43 million. The F-15 cost the same.
        The price of the "stealth" was quite reasonable, especially considering that it worked out by 200%. It was effectively used in battle + became a symbol of US technical superiority (and quite justifiably)
        1. Bnik
          +6
          30 June 2012 16: 23
          This unit production price. It is always less, and billions (officially) or even trillions of dollars were spent on DEVELOPMENT.
          1. Rider
            -9
            30 June 2012 16: 37
            Quote: BNik
            and billions (officially) or even trillions of dollars were spent on DEVELOPMENT.


            Well, you and the clown. smile
            This unusual aircraft was accompanied by various rumors, including its super-high cost and super-tech.
            But it turned out that the engines and flight instruments were from the F-18 Hornet, the control drives were from the F-16, the black ferromagnetic paint was from the SR-71 and the chassis was from the old training T-33.
            1. Bnik
              +8
              30 June 2012 17: 15
              You are presenting yourself as a clown at the moment. Read more books and articles and you will know everything. Sincerely.
  5. with
    +3
    30 June 2012 10: 43
    As far as I remember in Iraq, the losses of NATO were enormous (if you discard Western propaganda), despite the weak air defense of Iraq.
    They even shot down them with rifles - in a few days 4 helicopters. bully
    What are there stealth bully
    1. Common sense
      -7
      30 June 2012 16: 13
      They even shot down them with rifles - in a few days 4 helicopters

      Why are there rifles - boots thrown vertically upwards. Abramsy was burnt with spits .. And in the third week they took Fashington and Bush.
      And what you wrote is Western propaganda.
      1. with
        +6
        30 June 2012 16: 38
        Quote: Common sense
        Why are there rifles - boots thrown vertically up

        I don’t know about shoes, but they definitely drove them with hoes !!!)))) laughing
  6. warrior
    -4
    30 June 2012 11: 14
    I do not understand the pathos of the article and some forum users. To laugh at a particular machine is certainly cool, but the facts speak of something else.
    F-117A was created as a concept and technology in the late 70s. He entered the service at the beginning of the 80s, and the main combat activity came in the 90s. The machine received index F because of secrecy, this is (un) personal A - shock aircraft and no one in the world had anything similar to all ego service drills.
    The author especially has fun at low speed and poor maneuverability of the aircraft. As they say in Bulgaria, "They don't give lunch for free" - if you want to have some enhanced characteristics, you will refuse others. So this machine "does not figure", does not go to supersonic and is available to a small circle of pilots with special training. But it works relatively imperceptibly and does a good job of bombing. And it does not fly so badly, if to this day the record for group distillation without stopping - 18-odd extra hours, for it. This is a transfer from the United States to Kuwait at the beginning of the war.
    Summing up, we note that this is a highly specialized car, with a large plaque, both general and on board. It fulfilled its task and was withdrawn from armaments not because of replacement - to this day there is none, but because of the release of the resource of structures - 30 years after all. Then the fans claim that some of the boards still fly at the US Air Force training grounds, most likely there are weapons for new stealth.
    Even if we do not consider the combat and non-combat losses according to the official version and put in two more, then again we must give this car to the honored one. She completed her task.
    1. with
      +5
      30 June 2012 11: 32
      Quote: warrior
      I do not understand the pathos of the article and some forum users.

      Here the salt is different !!!
      Debunked another myth and it pleases !!!! bully
      1. Gym teacher
        -8
        30 June 2012 12: 14
        Quote: met
        Debunked another myth and it pleases !!!!


        Debunked the myth that the Yugoslavs shot down dozens of NATO aircraft.
        The museum has only fragments of F-117A and F-16. The Serbs were not too lazy - even the engine from the A-10 was found and dragged. If there was anything else, they would gladly show the whole world.
        And so - there are no debris, but statements about dozens of downed planes, the Serbs themselves made fools of themselves
        1. Bnik
          +4
          30 June 2012 16: 25
          Should they cover the entire museum with debris? This is not an aviation cemetery, but a museum! And in addition to the downed planes, it is full of other aircraft copies, etc. Therefore, do not say stupid things. They put the most preserved fragments.
          1. Rider
            -7
            30 June 2012 17: 00
            Quote: BNik
            Should they cover the entire museum with debris? This is not an aviation cemetery, but a museum!


            They were supposed to show the most valuable trophies. On TV. To the whole world. As they did with the F-117, F-16 and the engine from the A-10. Let me remind you that they remembered the engine for several days and still carefully store it. They do not have more significant trophies (for example, the F-15 fuselage).
            And why would it be worth showing on TV captive pilots! That would be a splash!
            And you must admit, the exposition would be much more interesting if, instead of a mangled engine from A-10, for example, a B-2 plane lay

            And it turns out very strange - there is so much noise around the small F-117, they have been remembering this for 12 years, writing books and making films. Serbs are very proud of their only victory. And about the downed V-2 and F-15 are silent
        2. with
          +4
          30 June 2012 16: 40
          Quote: Fizruk
          Mythical debunked

          MYTH about stealth invisibility !!!
          And the myth of the invincibility of the UWB army will still be debunked, although in addition to the Papuans, lately, they have not fought with anyone! bully
        3. Denzel13
          0
          2 July 2012 01: 35
          Do you show the importance and irrefutability of what has been written in blue? There are many explanations for this in the literature with a psychological bias. Although, of course, everything is simple - "American planes, the most airplane planes in the world." And American propaganda is "the most truthful and impartial." In general, the United States is "the bearers of democracy and peace", how have we forgotten that. Thank you for reminding!
    2. Igor
      +2
      30 June 2012 12: 10
      Quote: warrior
      Index F car received due to secrecy


      Suddenly, why did other US planes get such an index?
    3. Kaa
      +4
      30 June 2012 12: 27
      warrior,
      She completed her task.
      I did it, I don't argue. She explained, after the "invisible", that the sixth generation of aircraft will be "non-firing", the seventh - "non-flying", and the eighth - "non-building", after which the 9th generation will come - a set for the army - "do it yourself"
    4. 77bor1973
      +6
      30 June 2012 17: 45
      This aircraft was successfully used in the absence of air countermeasures and the absence of a powerful air defense system by the enemy!
  7. Pricheroz
    +5
    30 June 2012 11: 50
    warrior: this is an unsuccessful aircraft released by a small batch. The pilots did not like this car, but how many died in the accident? They said about the plane - attach the F-117 control system to the statue of liberty and it will fly. Swelled a lot of money for development, an excuse - skated new technologies. And they probably flew to areas where there was definitely no air defense and other systems (they won’t tell you about this and you won’t know). Only public relations and lobbying helped this aircraft to exist for some short time.
    1. Gym teacher
      -7
      30 June 2012 12: 11
      Quote: Pricheroz
      this is an unsuccessful aircraft released in a small batch

      It was an experimental aircraft.
      Serial production was curtailed, because collapsed USSR

      Quote: Pricheroz
      The pilots did not like this car

      They were proud to fly the F-117A, calling themselves "Bandits"

      Quote: Pricheroz
      how many died in the accident?

      Killed 4 pilots.

      Quote: Pricheroz
      Swelled a ton of development money

      $ 43 million per car is a perfectly normal price in military aviation.
      The F-117A cost as much as the F-15.
      The Stealth was a fairly cheap car as it was the main components were taken from already existing machines, for example engines from the F-18 "Hornet",

      Quote: Pricheroz
      attach the F-117 control system to the statue of liberty and it will fly

      The fact that the plane flew right so badly is a Kremlin myth.
      Firstly, the F-117A could perform bends with sixfold overload
      Secondly, the stealth had a mid-air refueling system, which means that the plane was perfectly controlled if it could perform such complex tasks in the air.
      1. +2
        30 June 2012 14: 02
        It was an experimental aircraft.
        Serial production was curtailed, because collapsed USSR

        it was not effective for air defense of the USSR
        Killed 4 pilots.
        for ejectable seats a lot.
        $ 43 million per car is a perfectly normal price in military aviation.
        The F-117A cost as much as the F-15.

        What about R&D?
      2. beard999
        +2
        30 June 2012 16: 31
        Quote: Fizruk
        Serial production was curtailed, because collapsed USSR

        This is a bike. No more. The last, 59th F-117A was delivered to the Pentagon on July 3, 1990, and the production of Night Hawk was completely discontinued. If you suddenly forgot, then the USSR collapsed on December 26, 1991.
        Quote: Fizruk
        $ 43 million per car is a perfectly normal price in military aviation. The F-117A cost as much as the F-15.

        The comparison you are not conducting is correct. You take the cost of the F-117A at the cost of the 80s. and compare with an unknown modification of the F-15, and it is not known when released. The F-15A in 1998 was worth less than $ 28 million, and at the start of production (1976) even less. For example, in 1979 prices, the purchase price of one F / A-18A was $ 10,8 million. Therefore, in order for the price comparison to be fair, find the cost of the F-15 in the 80s. and compare it with the cost of the F-117 of the same time. And let's see what you get ...
        Quote: Fizruk
        The fact that the plane flew right so badly is a Kremlin myth.

        What did it draw you to cheap stamps? In the Kremlin, no one ever said how the F-117 “flew”. Do not compose.
        Nevertheless, in total, the Americans released only 59 serial F-117A (and, for example, the F-15 you mentioned, more than 1500 are released). And on this the production program was completely closed. The United States announced the withdrawal of F-117A weapons in the fall of 2006, but the Night Hawk was supposed to be operational at least until 2018. http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/man/uswpns/air/attack/ f117a.html. Previously adopted F-117A, F-16, F-15, F-18, A-10 aircraft continue to operate, and the more modern and quite effective (in your opinion) Night Hawk, which is why they sent it to a landfill. I strongly doubt that you can reasonably explain this Pentagon decision.
        1. Rider
          -5
          30 June 2012 17: 26
          Quote: beard999
          The last, 59th F-117A was delivered to the Pentagon on July 3, 1990, and the production of Night Hawk was completely discontinued. If you suddenly forgot, then the USSR collapsed on December 26, 1991.

          Don't take everything so literally. By 1990, the USSR was on fire, spending on the military-industrial complex had sharply decreased, the development of most new projects had been frozen, the Buran was no longer flying anywhere, and so on.
          All this could not pass unnoticed by the United States - hence the cessation of funding for the F-117 program.

          Quote: beard999
          Find the cost of the F-15 in the 80s. and compare it with the cost of the F-117 of the same time. And see what you get

          That’s how it turns out, the F-15 in the early 90s cost about $ 50 million.
          I even suspect where you got about 28 million in 1998. This is the wrong figure from Wiki Pedia. Please bother finding a more decent source.

          Quote: beard999
          however, only the Americans released only 59 serial F-117A

          These were highly specialized machines that tested new technologies.

          Quote: beard999
          but at the same time the operation of the "Night Hawk" was expected at least until 2018.

          The aircraft, developed in the 70s, actively used in the 90s, by the beginning of the 22st century had lost its relevance. Much more serious F-15s have appeared and the production of F-XNUMXSE "stealth bombers"

          Quote: beard999
          F-16, F-15, F-18, A-10

          F-15, F-16 - multifunctional equipment. on the basis of which several shock modifications were created. Centenarians.
          The F-18 is being actively removed from service, replaced by the F-18E "Super Hornet" - a car that has little in common with the F-18, completely different forms, performance characteristics and capabilities
          A-10 - getting ready for decommissioning. For example - http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/airforce/1401-10.html
          1. +1
            30 June 2012 21: 49
            Quote: Ryder
            F-15, F-16 - multifunctional equipment. on the basis of which several shock modifications were created. Centenarians.

            And the F-15SE is that not an upgrade? Why clean up a good F-117. And to modernize the long-liver. Why upgrade the F-18E Super Hornet if there is an F-35 or not an F-35? They abandoned the F-35V, abandoned it altogether. What will take off from British aircraft carriers when the Harriers are dead?
          2. beard999
            0
            1 July 2012 00: 37
            Quote: Ryder
            Don't take everything so literally. By 1990, the USSR was on fire, spending on the military-industrial complex had sharply decreased, the development of most new projects had been frozen, the Buran was no longer flying anywhere, and so on.
            All this could not go unnoticed by the United States - hence the cessation of funding for the F-117 program

            The USSR Armed Forces in 1990 were in quantitative and qualitative condition, no worse than in 1982 when the F-117A was just launched. And what you, in this case, "Buran" dragged into is completely incomprehensible. Now, if you said that in the USSR by 1990 certain significant programs of the Air Force or Air Defense were frozen or closed, then this circumstance would be directly related to the F-117 topic. And so, all your reasoning, just letting through demagogy.
            They could not know exactly what would happen to the USSR in the future, in the USA, 1,5 years before the collapse of the country. In addition, for some reason “USSR Breathing Incense”, at that time, did not stop the B-2 production program in the USA, which was significantly more expensive than the F-117A program. It is clear that the relationship about the collapse of the USSR and the cessation of the release of F-117A is sucked out of the finger, and is not confirmed by anything.
            Quote: Ryder
            That’s how it turns out, the F-15 in the early 90s cost about $ 50 million. I even suspect where you got about 28 million in 1998. This is the wrong figure from Wiki Pedia. Please bother finding a more decent source.

            OK. Wiki price doesn't suit you? Curiously, why is the price for the F-117A of $ 43 million, taken from the same Wiki, why are you comfortable?
            However, I do not insist ... Give your “DECENT” link that the serial F-15 “cost about $ 50 million.” Just do not bother to bring the cost of the F-15 "in the early 90's." Give the cost of the serial "Eagle", precisely for the period of mass production of F-117A - from 1982 to 1990. So, I expect from you "decent" links.
            Quote: Ryder
            These were highly specialized machines that tested new technologies.

            Another demagoguery. Why build a series of six dozen aircraft to test some "new technologies"? F-117A were serial combat aircraft, consisting in combat units and were piloted by combat pilots.
            As for their "highly specialized". Quite possibly, this is exactly what accelerated their way to the landfill. Subsonic speed, unusually low for modern BN aircraft, which did not come true hopes for stealth ...
            Quote: Ryder
            The aircraft, developed in the 70s, actively used in the 90s, had lost its relevance by the beginning of the XNUMXst century.

            In this case, following your intricate logic, the Americans should have written off, for example, B-52, because they have more “relevant” B-1B and B-2. But in reality, nothing of the kind happens. But the F-117A, at the time of decommissioning, could still have 12 been in operation (until 2018). However, it was written off.
            Quote: Ryder
            A-10 - getting ready for decommissioning.

            You are poorly informed. I quote: “The American aircraft building concern Boeing handed over to the United States Air Force the first A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft that went through a structural elements modernization program. According to Defense Aerospace, the rollout ceremony with the updated wing structure was held at the US Air Force Hill. Thanks to this modernization, the A-10s will be able to stand in service until at least 2040. Under a contract with the U.S. Department of Defense, Boeing is expected to replace wings on 233 A-10 attack aircraft. All work should be completed before the end of 2018. The first sets of wings were assembled in March 2011, and in November last year, the US Air Force conducted the first tests of two modernized aircraft. What kind of improvements were made to the design of the wings of the A-10, is not specified. " Source - http://lenta.ru/news/2012/02/20/rewinged/_Printed.htm
            At the same time, I want to remind you that such a "highly specialized" aircraft as the A-10, was mass-produced since 1975, and all production was completed in 1984 (28 years ago!). And not what, they are still in operation, being modernized ... But the incomparably more complex and expensive F-117A, after 16 years of operation, was sent to a landfill.
            1. Rider
              -2
              1 July 2012 19: 52
              Quote: beard999
              The USSR Armed Forces in 1990 were in quantitative and qualitative condition, no worse than in 1982.


              In technical terms - no doubt. But by other indications - the USSR Armed Forces by 1990 were a corpse. The complete lack of political will to act, disorganization and mess at all levels. For details, see below.

              Quote: beard999
              It is clear that the relationship about the collapse of the USSR and the cessation of the release of F-117A is sucked out of the finger, and is not confirmed by anything.

              You are still too young and uneducated to make such categorical conclusions.
              The reason for the decline in US defense spending by the end of 1990 was the weakening of the USSR. Do you know the word "perestroika"? In 1989, the Berlin Wall fell, the USSR is rapidly losing its foreign policy weight. The first interethnic conflicts began in the Caucasus and Central Asia. By the way, it was in 1989 that the mass purchases of armored vehicles for the USSR Armed Forces were stopped, in 1989 the troops were withdrawn from Afghanistan, the weakened USSR undoubtedly fulfills all obligations under the START ...
              In short, beard999 read more so that next time you do not "suck from your finger"

              Quote: beard999
              OK. Wiki price doesn't suit you?

              From what! But depending on what. If you were a little more attentive, you could notice in the text in the same section of Wikipedia that the F-15 in 1990 cost about $ 50 million. Wikipedia is such a Wikipedia laughing

              Quote: beard999
              Why build a series of six dozen aircraft to test some "new technologies"?

              Then to work out new technologies. In combat conditions.

              Quote: beard999
              Subsonic speed, unusually low for modern BN aircraft, unfulfilled hopes for stealth...


              Well, how unjustified. Extremely low speed, limited maneuverability, lack of reservation - and at the same time one lost plane for 3000 sorties in the desert, mountains and with powerful enemy air defense. And the destroyed reactors in El-Tuwait, although the Soviet military said that a powerful layered air defense was created in this area.

              Quote: beard999
              In this case, following your intricate logic, the Americans should have written off, for example, B-52, because they have more “relevant” B-1B and B-2.

              Different planes have different fates.
              B-52 was created as a strategic carrier of nuclear weapons. and now it is a cheap tool for carpet bombing and launching high-speed tactical missiles. 400 bombers were released, 70 left.

              F-117, combat readiness -1983
              The first B-2s became operational in 1997
              B-2 is the direct successor to the F-117, it does the same job, but with fewer cars and bet less fewer refueling.
              1. +1
                1 July 2012 21: 23
                Quote: Ryder
                B-2 - the direct successor to F-117,

                And according to your comments, I thought that the heir to the F-117 is the F-15SE
                Quote: Ryder
                The aircraft, developed in the 70s, actively used in the 90s, by the beginning of the 22st century had lost its relevance. Much more serious F-15s have appeared and the production of F-XNUMXSE "stealth bombers"

                Northrop B-2 Spirit (eng. Northrop B-2 Spirit) - heavy stealth strategic bomber,
                Lockheed F-117 “Night Hawk” (eng. Lockheed F-117 Night Hawk) - a single-seat subsonic tactical stealth strike aircraft of the American company Lockheed Martin
                Comparing these planes is like comparing a boat to a cruiser.
                1. Rider
                  -2
                  1 July 2012 23: 13
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  And according to your comments, I thought that the heir to the F-117 is the F-15SE


                  And you are not guided by the comments of one person, if you want to argue about something - study the subject more deeply

                  B-2 - without a doubt the heir to F-117
                  The F-15SE is an attempt to create a more practical stealth strike vehicle. Development began when it turned out that the Raptor could not become a mass aircraft. The F-15E "Strike Eagle" (pictured) was chosen as the platform, 15 F-340Es were produced. A direct analogue of the Strike Needle can be the Su-34, which is also based on the Su-27 fighter.

                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  Comparing these planes is like comparing a boat to a cruiser.

                  But these are your speculations. In reality, they do the same job, but the B-2 carries many times more bombs, has an infrared sighting system LATRIN (enhances the light of stars 25 times) and can work around the world flying from the United States.

                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  what to compare a boat with a cruiser.

                  Quote: "This work could have been done by 8 F-117s and 2 B-767 tankers or 2 B-2 aircraft without the involvement of tankers." The work, by the way, was performed by F-117
                  1. 0
                    2 July 2012 00: 56
                    Quote: Ryder
                    B-2 is without a doubt the heir to F-117 ...
                    has an infrared sighting system LATRIN (enhances the light of stars in 25 000 times) ...

                    He is without a doubt the heir to B-1B. B-2 began to be developed before the first flight of the F-117, in the 1979 year, when there was still no experience in using the latter.
                    Confusing the infrared sensor and the photomultiplier is probably from a great hurry ... although both are for night vision. Is LATRIN exactly a night vision system? And then the search engine gives something like this:

                    Quote: "This work could have been done by 8 F-117s and 2 B-767 tankers or 2 B-2 aircraft without the involvement of tankers." The work, by the way, was performed by F-117

                    A tactical bomber, with refueling, is able in some cases to replace a strategic one, but this is no reason to put an equal sign between the two classes.
                  2. 0
                    2 July 2012 22: 37
                    Quote: Ryder
                    Itata: "This work could have been done by 8 F-117s and 2 B-767 tankers or 2 B-2 aircraft without the involvement of tankers." The work, by the way, was performed by F-117

                    Which confirms

                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    Comparing these planes is like comparing a boat to a cruiser.
                  3. +1
                    2 July 2012 23: 44
                    Quote: Ryder
                    And you are not guided by the comments of one person, if you want to argue about something - study the subject more deeply

                    Quote: Ryder
                    The aircraft, developed in the 70s, actively used in the 90s, by the beginning of the 22st century had lost its relevance. Much more serious F-15s have appeared and the production of F-XNUMXSE "stealth bombers"

                    And for those who have studied the subject more deeply, another version of the removal from service
                    March 19, 2003 - at least 18 F-117A (40% of the total number in service), according to Ukrainian researcher Konstantin Kolontayev, were lost during a raid on Baghdad.
                    the first raid on Baghdad was sent by 20 light bombers of the F-117A type ("Stealth"). Then there were reports that two F-117A bombs had been dropped directly on objects in Baghdad. Question: what happened to the remaining 18 stealths out of 20 that flew to Baghdad? The answer is simple: these 18 aircraft were shot down by the Iraqi air defense system during the breakthrough to Baghdad.

                    Thus, in the first hour of the war, US aviation lost only over Baghdad at least 18 F-117A out of 45 aircraft of this type that were part of the US Air Force. It is no coincidence that two days after the start of the war, all mentions of participation in hostilities and "invisible" strategic bombers "B-2" disappeared.
              2. Denzel13
                -1
                2 July 2012 01: 46
                Eh, you would have come to my native ruin in 1990, and talked there (as well as now) with 74 "corpses" of fighters and 18 "corpses" of officers and warrant officers. Dreams of course, but on the Internet to carry nonsense, this is not to say something like that in front of the formation of the guards.
  8. +3
    30 June 2012 12: 32
    at my kitchen table aerodynamics is an order of magnitude higher!))))) only blacks in Africa bomb ... lol
    1. Gym teacher
      -11
      30 June 2012 12: 40
      Pure facts:

      1. F-117A could perform bends with sixfold overload

      2. "stealth" had a system of refueling in the air - this means that the plane was delicately controlled if it could perform such complex tasks in the air

      Everything else is Kremlin lies. Americans are so dumb
      1. +4
        30 June 2012 13: 52
        1. F-117A could perform bends with sixfold overload
        How is the video?
        "stealth" had a refueling system in the air, which means that the plane was delicately controlled if it could perform such complex tasks in the air
        No, this is an EDSU task with which it did not always cope.
        1. Rider
          -3
          30 June 2012 16: 43
          Quote: leon-iv
          No, this is an EDSU task with which it did not always cope.

          This is the pilot’s task - to bring the plane to the tanker and stick the fuel rod into the wing of the plane.

          The plane was normally controlled and this is a fact. Forty-two F-117s made an 18-hour non-stop flight from the United States to Saudi Arabia without any problems.
          1. -3
            30 June 2012 17: 10

            In confirmation of your words.
          2. 0
            30 June 2012 20: 03
            Quote: Ryder
            This is the pilot’s task - to bring the plane to the tanker and stick the fuel rod into the wing of the plane.

            Does the boom operator on a tanker hit the bucks at this time? )
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbIMSoAuckM&feature=player_embedded#t=188s
            1. +2
              1 July 2012 00: 29
              For the gifted - the only thing required of the pilot is to steadily hold on to the tanker - the rest is done by the operator of the refueling bar. F-117 would not have given a certificate of airworthiness if it had not been capable of such.
      2. Corneli
        +5
        30 June 2012 14: 11
        The fact that they like the F-117 is understandable) It is cheap, refueled, well controlled, efficient and finally the pilots almost fought with each other, just to become "bandits" ..... that's just a question
        F-16, f-15, A-10, B-52 - fly 30-50 years old !!!! And somehow they still fly and it is not particularly known when they will stop. And the F-117 miracle for some 18 years was removed from service and it DOES NOT FLY!
        Hence the question, if it is so effective and cheap, why did this happen?
        P.S. excuses in the style of "Serial production was curtailed, because the USSR collapsed" is not accepted, the F-22 and F 35 have been made and done, although the USSR has long been gone, and these aircraft are much more expensive and sharpened for normal air defense
        1. Rider
          -2
          30 June 2012 16: 47
          Quote: Corneli
          F-16, f-15, A-10, B-52 - fly for 30-50 years !!!


          The F-15 and F-16 were multifunctional machines, therefore, on their basis, several modifications were created, not very similar to the original. For example - the tactical bomber F-15E "Strike Eagle" (the article says that its "stealth" modification is being developed) was created on the basis of the F-15 interceptor. On the basis of the F-16 fighter, the F-16S strike aircraft was created. Etc.
          The F-117 was a highly specialized experimental aircraft, however, it served 30 years and was replaced with the new B-2 and F-22


          Quote: Corneli
          B-52 - fly for 30-50 years !!!

          F-117 also flew 30 years laughing

          Quote: Corneli
          Hence the question, if it is so effective and cheap, why did this happen?

          Did I answer your question?
          1. Corneli
            +3
            1 July 2012 00: 45
            No, they didn’t answer, maybe the question was posed incorrectly)
            And about your "answer2", a couple of clarifications can then understand the question:
            1. F-15 the beginning of operation with 76 g and still xs when they will be removed from service (a bunch of modifications built for 1500 aircraft)
            2. F-16 start of operation with 74 g and still, the same as for the F-15 in general (4500 riveted))
            3. The A-10 began operation in the year 76, 700 pieces were riveted, and although they haven’t done it since 84, they are going to use it until 2028!)
            4. The B-52 began to operate in 55, initially 600 pieces were riveted, over time, almost everything was written off (largely due to the collapse of the USSR and arms reduction treaties), however, at the moment, there are 70 modernized aircraft until 2040 !!! they are going to yuzat
            The average age of the aforementioned aircraft is from 25 to 40 years and they all fly very well, will be modified and will still be in service for a long time.
            THESE PLANES I gave as an example. As an option, a successful and necessary aircraft, unlike the F-117. F-117 only flew 25 years)
            By the way, its cost is "... 111,2 million US dollars ...")

            V-2 and F-22 did not replace F-117) They have been in operation since 89 and 2005. In addition, F-117 is a strike aircraft (not a destroyer or a bomber)

            Actually because they removed it, it simply is not needed .... those 2 bombs that it carries can carry F-15, F-16, F-18 (well, or their equivalent)
            The only feature of the F-117 is that it is invisible, but it is very dumb to use this "invisibility" - you fly blindly and blindly, at night, on an extremely unstable plane .... brr. Targets in this situation can be a current of super-duper known objects, otherwise the pilot will just fly where he will fly and it is not known what will be bombed, and if he suddenly gets lost and starts looking for a target, his "invisibility" will immediately become visibility, and the maize workers raised into the air will shoot him ) It would naturally be a terrible shame for the United States, so they shake off these super-successful invisibles away, until the shame came out
          2. 0
            1 July 2012 01: 26
            Quote: Ryder
            F-117 was a highly specialized experimental aircraft

            Adopted and released in the amount of 64 copies - "experimental" - not even funny.
  9. snek
    +8
    30 June 2012 12: 52
    Good article. The only remark is that in the section on stelth technology there is no mention of Peter Ufimtsev, whose contribution in this area is very significant (which the Americans themselves do not deny).
    1. +3
      30 June 2012 13: 54
      Many believe that it was a bloody gabney (c) to force them to do very expensive R&D
      1. Rider
        -3
        30 June 2012 16: 49
        Quote: leon-iv
        Many believe that it was a bloody gabney (c) to force them to do very expensive R&D


        PAK FA, corvettes of type 20380 ("Guarding") - disinformation is still going on, Russia is specifically trying to create "stealth" ships and airplanes to force America to conduct very expensive R&D.

        And so it was. Pure truth. laughing
  10. -4
    30 June 2012 13: 18
    Article plus ....
    And here
    http://mikle1.livejournal.com/2737837.html
    "Eagles" who were never shot down ...
    1. Gym teacher
      -7
      30 June 2012 13: 34
      Quote: ekebastus
      http://mikle1.livejournal.com/2737837.html
      "Eagles" who were never shot down ...


      Pointless reference to rotten stuff. Nothing but unsubstantiated statements with vague photographs and indistinct facts. So what's the point that the F-15 is "in the MiG-23 vizier", show the wreckage and there is nothing to argue about.

      All clear photographs - the long-known photos of the wreckage of F-117A and F-16 from the Belgrade Museum of Aviation, could not show anything else - neither wreckage, nor captured pilots, nor pilot bodies. But they found and dragged the torn A-10 engine.
      The A-10 engine was meticulously found and dragged, but they were too lazy to look for the allegedly "downed" monster B-2. Fenita la comedy laughing
      1. Common sense
        +2
        30 June 2012 16: 24
        There, the author was caught even in a lie - he gave the photo of the downed Mig-29 as F-16)).
  11. yacht
    0
    30 June 2012 15: 27
    It’s not clear what is there to argue about? The aircraft was in operation for 30 years. Repeatedly took part in hostilities, and combat sorties were quite effective. For all the time in combat sorties only one plane was lost. And after that, how can you say that it was a bad plane? They removed it from service because today it no longer complies with modern requirements, and the resources for modernization are completely exhausted, unlike, say, F-16; 15.
    1. +2
      30 June 2012 17: 18
      To date the sole combat loss has been a single aircraft, downed by an SA-3 during the 1999 OAF campaign, making the F-117A the statistically most surviving combat aircraft ever flown. Carlo kopp
      To date, there is only one combat loss (SA-3 was shot down during the 1999 campaign of the year), making the F-117A the statistically most survivable combat aircraft ever.

      I support the words of the author of these lines.
      1. +1
        30 June 2012 18: 21
        And from me +1. Lost just one F-117A.
  12. warrior
    -2
    30 June 2012 16: 04
    Myths went to debunk, is it not too late, comrades Rezuny?
    About the liars. If the stealth technology on the F-117A and B-2 is unsuccessful, then why are PAK FA and PAK YES planned under the stealth. Also losers, right?
    The F-117A is already in the museum. A raid of up to 3 combat vehicles for 000 vehicles manufactured in the 50s is weak for you. How much has the entire Russian strike aircraft fighting since 80. to this day? That's it.
    The Night Hawk has 7 major incidents involving the loss of life of 4 pilots in 30 years. Compare with Russia? Is it today the Su-27 fell again? Or it was yesterday.
    For connoisseurs of emf and refueling in the air. For refueling in the air, the machine is driven manually. EDSU is not an autopilot, does not lead to refueling and cooks porridge. Learning materiel.
    I like the story of the downed side in Serbia very much. First they said that the pilot shot down the ego - "rule srbin", then someone else, again "rule srbin". And it turned out that the plane was shot down by a "damned Magyarin" with a French thermal imager. It seems that the Great Serbs were ashamed that such an airplane was shot down by a man from the Ungar Malcy. And the thermal imager is precisely French, Soviet equipment does not react to the F-117A, as it turned out in Iraq.
    And finally about the acronyms of NATO and the US Air Force in particular. If you don’t know what F, B, A, UH, AH, etc. means of yourself, then you’ll go to the best porn, apparently it will be boring here.
    1. with
      -2
      30 June 2012 22: 45
      Quote: warrior
      Myths went to debunk, is it not too late, comrades Rezuny?

      The stealth plane was generally made after the disinformation of the KGB, for this the codes of our Arab friends were "sold" to the Israelis!
      It was a wonderful operation of the Soviet special services !!!
      That's the way a fighter, and here you are almost to tears defend this brainchild of the Soviet counterintelligence !!!))) bully
    2. Corneli
      0
      1 July 2012 01: 12
      I also don’t know what you are arguing about)
      F-117, experimental - yes
      more or less worked out new technologies - yes
      super piarestichi - yes (7 movies I know where he flew)
      shot down only one and it seems that it’s not known to break, yes too
      combat raid for successful statistics is also excellent
      On this, all the pluses, however they are not so few, are over. Lose a little about the cons)
      They didn’t shout at him, first of all, that his dear mother was cowardly and there were few of them (read above, in the article, the tactics of application and what happened to him with any damage)
      He didn’t fall again - it’s not enough, they were cowardly (PR))) they exploited a pont of time (the USA won F-15 on average for 25 years to an airplane, they use them with terrible force and at the same time it’s nothing)
      "... They removed it from service because today it no longer meets modern requirements, and the resources for modernization are completely exhausted, unlike, say, the F-16; 15.yacht,"
      I really liked it) By the way, I haven’t heard anything ABOUT ONE F-177 MODIFICATION, is it strange? But the F-15 and F-16, which are 10 years older than the stealth word, are still modifying. Airplanes of the 70s meet modern requirements (with the Raptor alive, by the way), and the super stealth is 83 years old! I am moved with logic)
      My opinion, this aircraft is simply unnecessary) it is expensive, hemorrhagic to the horror, combat use is monstrously limited (I wonder how much its operation costs (I doubt very much that it’s cheap)) And with the fact that he can make heaps of F-2 hide with his 15 bombs , F-16 and F-18 (well, plus tomahawks, so that the most dangerous targets are bombed at the beginning and not lose planes). And his place in the films was taken by raptors and F-35) (it’s also a ridiculous fact that F-35 will fly no earlier than 2016, and it’s already lit up in at least 4 blockbusters))))
      1. Rider
        -4
        1 July 2012 14: 43
        Quote: Corneli
        They didn’t shout at him, first of all, that his mother was cowardly

        These are your speculations, the reality is this:
        1300 sorties - Iraq (the nuclear center in El Tuwait with the most powerful air defense, the command center of the Air Force, the air base with Adnan AWACS aircraft, 112 m Baghdad radio tower and other important facilities were destroyed)
        850 sorties - Yugoslavia + participation in the Second Baghdad campaign (about 500 sorties)
        And no one cared about him - the nearest Allied aircraft was 150 kilometers away. "Stealth" worked without support and without electronic warfare aircraft

        Quote: Corneli
        He did not fall again - not enough, they were cowardly

        The statement is sucked out of the finger. In reality, “Nighthawks” flew a total of 220 hours, a single flight loss - 000 hours, this is an absolutely unattainable result for the Russian Air Force
        Another example? 42 18 aircraft flew an 7-hour non-stop flight from the USA to Saidov Arabia (with XNUMX additional aerials in the air!)

        Quote: Corneli
        By the way, I haven’t heard anything ABOUT ONE F-177 MODIFICATION, strange, huh?

        A highly specialized experimental aircraft developed in the 70s is outdated by the beginning of the 59st century. Considering HOW these XNUMX machines have influenced the global aircraft industry (and shipbuilding too), this is more than expected from them. It was a splash.
        Will this answer suit you?

        Quote: Corneli
        But the F-15 and F-16, which are 10 years older than the word stealth, are still being modified

        Workhorses are centenarians. Unlike the experimental F-117, they were originally created as the main combat aircraft of the Air Force, for a very long time.

        Especially for the F-117 place there is a B-2 that can do the same job, but more efficiently and without involving refueling
  13. Larus
    0
    30 June 2012 16: 14
    Aircraft-PR and nothing else. It is suitable only for the war with the Papuans, who have no means of air defense, including heavy machine guns. Now they are trying to present the new PR aircraft f22 and f 35 as the best, though one did not fly anywhere, but the second did not work finish to mind more or less.
    1. Rider
      0
      30 June 2012 16: 52
      Quote: Larus
      Now they are trying to present the new PR airplanes f22 and f 35 as the best,though one didn’t fly anywhere to work


      Does it look like a formidable Su-27?
  14. +3
    30 June 2012 22: 08
    the plane was built for show-offs - was it because the amers abandoned this form when designing the F-22 and F-35?
  15. Rider
    -4
    1 July 2012 02: 31
    Instructions for the Russian army on how to deal with stealth
    1. 0
      31 May 2015 12: 48
      Quote: Ryder
      Instructions for the Russian army on how to deal with stealth

      I am glad that you understand that this "RA" aircraft will overcome even with shovels ... no - well, you are absolutely right, С300,350,400,500, shells, beeches and tori should shoot at normal aircraft, but at this with a shovel and only a shovel!laughing laughing laughing good good good
      PS "Shovel your friends from NATO, so to speak" - such a paratrooper with a sapper jumps on your stealth, not well, Cho, Bruce Willis would have done so - so be careful Yes
  16. sf35wesdg
    -1
    1 July 2012 11: 18
    What is being done with the country where the authorities are looking?
    I somehow accidentally stumbled upon a site for finding people http://tiny.cc/nayti
    Here you can find information about any resident of Russia, Ukraine and other CIS countries.
    I'm really scared - twist like that any nit-picking can come in and see.
    Addresses, best friends, relatives, above all, for example, there are my photos, phone number.
    It’s good that you can delete, find your page - pass the check and delete
    And then there is nobody who is looking for ...

    What is being done with the country where the authorities are looking?
    I somehow accidentally stumbled upon a site for finding people http://tiny.cc/nayti
    Here you can find information about any resident of Russia, Ukraine and other CIS countries.
    I'm really scared - twist like that any nit-picking can come in and see.
    Addresses, best friends, relatives, above all, for example, there are my photos, phone number.
    It’s good that you can delete, find your page - pass the check and delete
    And then there is nobody who is looking for ...
    1. Eraser
      0
      1 July 2012 12: 14
      Lol, and the spammers got here. No.
  17. warrior
    +3
    1 July 2012 11: 22
    Apparently, some comrades are haunted by the decommissioning of Knight Hawk in 2008. and considers this to be proof of the plane's failure. The aforementioned comrades refer to those who have not yet been removed from service. Like, "if a good car, why was it removed so early." This logic of reasoning does not take into account two facts:
    1. Model aircraft, created before the F117, are not being adopted by vehicles assembled in the 70s. Armed with their new modifications, collected mainly in 90, and some after 2000. Moreover, these modifications cover only part of the park and sometimes bear the character of a rebuild rather than modification. Above was an example with replacing a quarter wing of A-10 aircraft. The bulk of US aircraft built in the 70s and 80s were removed and mothballed in the desert. And in this sense, the F117, which has no 90s modifications, is about time. The bulk of the conservation, individual machines as a test platform. Some comrades with a value will grow here, and why the F117 did not modify a good airplane in 90. Look, merchants, below t. 2.
    v. 2 With his feeling of feeling, the F117 began a game against time and the date of his removal from combat duty was predetermined, unlike other models of the 70s. F117 played against NTP. For young and slow-witted comrades, the abbreviation sya means scientific and technical progress. The 80s and especially the 90s were the time of leaps in the development of air defense systems and airborne avionics of aircraft. All that hard-and-soft orgy of orgy reduced the F117's stealth and left the ego vulnerable. So 20 years after being put into service in 1999. it became clear that the "point of no return" F117 is close, since the first combat losses began. And logically, the car was removed from service. What's important here. It is important that the US Air Force command foresaw all this back in the 70s. That is why she launched the F117 model in a very short series and the removal of the aircraft did not significantly reduce the combat capability of the US Air Force. Then, very vaguely, he used the car super-intensively, while its stealth characteristics were not overtaken by new technologies of the Air Force and Air Defense. The advent of Spirit (also under stealth technology), armed UAVs, hypersonic missiles, new generations of stealth fighters with options for striking ground targets, etc., scattered the main directions of the F117's work on many platforms.
    To summarize, dear comrades. As the English say:
    "A real lady knows when to leave."
    1. Corneli
      0
      1 July 2012 13: 25
      Well, well .... Suppose I believe, that's just ...
      "So 20 years after being put into service in 1999."warrior,
      The beginning of operation is 83 years, as it were 15 years)
      As for the NTP, complete garbage
      1. "It is important that the command of the US Air Force foresaw all this back in the 70s. That is why it launched the F117 model in a very short series and the removal of the aircraft did not significantly reduce the combat capability of the US Air Force.
      warrior,"
      What incredible wangs are sitting in the US Department of Defense, it’s already scary ... What about their foresight they personally told you? or did you come up with all the same?)
      2. The main breakthrough "... hardware and software bacchanalia .." came in the mid-90s, while the years of stealth production were 83-90, so it is not very similar
      3. Again, do not like the examples of B-52, A-10, F-16, F-15 (even interestingly what they modernize there in the B-52 50s))). Take the example of B-2 spirit. The plane is stupidly of the same line with the F-117, the current is even more expensive, but no one is going to remove it from service and they are strenuously modernizing, except for the "Desert Storm" in 91, the B-2 participated in the same conflicts as the F-117, in parallel ...
      4. Thus, we have Tomogavki (adopted in the same 83), F-16, F-15 (hit on ground targets) and B-2 (except for the first war in Iraq) participated with F-117 in the same conflicts . But they stayed, but 117 not
      5. "new generation of stealth fighters with options for striking ground targets" - mythology, the raptors have not bombed any ground target until now, I heard that they had this option not so long ago. F-35, finally no
      In general, the sheet that you wrote is somehow not very logical and does not explain why the ousted F-117 was sent to the scrap (the prophecies of the American Wang are not considered)
      P.S. I almost forgot, about the losses of the F-117 - 1 shot down on the offs and attention 7 was broken! out of 64 so the percentage of losses is not so small but not very weak (an eighth of the planes is lost)). And if some consider the percentage of losses only to be shot down, then the Su-27 is definitely a super plane, they didn’t shout it)
      1. warrior
        -1
        1 July 2012 18: 07
        You are far from Wang, dear comrade. So, by position:
        1. Prophecy is far from here. Just the command of the US Air Force in the 70s had a concept. One heavy platform - F15, one light - F16 and one for the breakthrough of air defense - F117. The first and second allies are allowed for export, the third as a high-tech, is not allowed. And that’s it, this triad won one Cold War, and some hot ones too.
        2. The main leap of avionics and air defense systems may have come to Ukraine and arrived in the mid-90s, but in Europe and especially in the USA, it began in the late 80s and early 90s.
        3. and 4. Your desa does not pass. Google. For example - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_F-16_Fighting_Falcon_operators#Original_NAT



        O_partners There is a plate, from which it can be seen that the main Masa F16, which are still in service today, was produced from the late 90s to 2011. All the boards of early production, either in conservation, or resold to third world countries, or as in Italy, were simply returned to the United States. The last production of the F117 in the late 80s, it is not surprising that the sides removed in 2008 with an existing resource for 5-7 years.
        3.1. Your desa 2. Operational readiness B 2 Spirit announced 01.01.1997g. The construction of the first car - 1993 The first combat use - 1999. Kosovo. So Spirit is the successor of F117, not a peer. Normally, one resigned, the other on arms.
        5. F35 has a typical set of guided and unguided weapons for attacks by ground targets of the US Air Force. Including a nuclear weapon carrier.
        Against the facts, don’t, otherwise the prophetic dream will be dreamed. The Night Hawk will come and ask why you don’t love the ego. laughing
        1. Corneli
          0
          2 July 2012 00: 16
          I can only smile, that "misinformation" which I wrote is just taken from Wikipedia))))))
          So google, dear comrade, there these facts are, that the truth does not prevent you from "shoving" against them)
          P.S. If you really don't want to just look at the articles on the units under discussion in the wiki, write, strain and post it). Actually, therefore, I rechecked all the dates in an open and publicly accessible infe and laid out the points, All your evidence is "disinformation" and a mustache (
          P.P.S. I didn’t understand immediately what you wrote about the F-35, I checked my post) I don’t have the F-35 plane itself (it’s not in service when it’s unknown to stand, it wasn’t used in battles)
        2. SSR
          0
          2 July 2012 00: 33
          Quote: warrior
          Against the facts, don’t, otherwise the prophetic dream will be dreamed. The Night Hawk will come and ask why you don’t love the ego.

          at the same time he may ask .. why Yars and Topol and so on .. "mushrooms" went?
          and the whole troll smirk .. would merge at once .. and you are a troll .. a hundred times I would regret that I tweeted my knocked-down fantasies on the clave
          "I Asked Poplar"? .... (c) Perto.
    2. SSR
      0
      2 July 2012 00: 29
      Apparently .. some trolls do not give rest to bile.
      1. Povidmova .. if France .. five times a five-wheeled rink of war five Eritrea ..
      and the whole world will subservient to her ... then! this does not mean that they have a GAD mod.
      2. If someone's planes .. released in less. but at the same time .. they don’t have any military ones for a peaceful country .. 2 in training they all avoid them .. at the same time the trolls are fattening so that it’s not ...
      3. If there has been no recent clash of civilizations .. then you need forum tridvabolam .. I recommend not to troll .. and enjoy life ...
      4. FOR. if we lock ... then we will show you the bastards .. we’ll show the whole story .. and you trolls and your descendants (if any) will swallow bitter dust for other people's trolling ...
      5. Do not wake famously .. while it’s quiet .. three times bells pipiskomery keyboard.
      PS.
      Veteran Air Force. huge respect.
  18. Pripyatchanin
    -1
    1 July 2012 12: 20
    We must pay tribute to the designers of Lockheed for the revolution in aviation

    And so, this plane did not pay back the money invested in it
  19. Yarbay
    -2
    1 July 2012 13: 11
    Thanks to the author!
    interesting article!
  20. -1
    1 July 2012 13: 28
    Whatever you say, but Mr. But is Mr. But.
  21. ra1647
    -3
    1 July 2012 15: 32
    we need to learn from the west, the time has come for new air defense systems they are developing a new write off old equipment. Su 27 and F 117 are different machines than compare them


    1. ra1647
      -1
      1 July 2012 15: 33
      And on the account, the Air Force lost 5 planes in the 5 days of the war with Georgia, and the Georgians had far from ice compared to Iraqi or Yugoslav air defense. PS this comment is for the minuses like patriots
      1. pilot mk
        0
        1 July 2012 18: 14
        Now the Georgians have no air defense))))) ONE plane destroyed it.
  22. pilot mk
    0
    1 July 2012 18: 12
    Sorry wi didn't know it was invisible
  23. with
    +1
    1 July 2012 23: 17
    OPERATION “DANCE”
    Read understand where the stealth came from !!! bully
    1. +1
      2 July 2012 00: 36
      Quote: met
      OPERATION "KURODOV" Read understand where the stealth came from !!


      This is gossip guys. If stealth technology is disinformation, and the KGB cleverly deceived the CIA, then why is Russia now creating a PAK FA with stealth elements and why then does the Russian Corvette Guarding (pr. 20380) have such a form of superstructure?

      In conclusion, we can say: Who can do that. Who cannot, he criticizes.
  24. Obie
    +1
    2 July 2012 00: 58
    And as for me - such things also need to be done in order to move on. Let science not so much as a whole to us.)
  25. they got
    +1
    2 July 2012 01: 55
    I read and I can’t understand the logic: an excellent F-117 machine, inexpensive, with wonderful characteristics for its class, but for some reason they took it and took it out of production, explaining with some ridiculous excuses, one of which the USSR fell apart. And after that, do we have love or something with them? Yes, they always regarded us as a potential adversary. Well, they’ll rest in one place and say their own thing - a good car, a good one ....
    1. Corneli
      -2
      2 July 2012 02: 23
      This is love) And love is an illogical feeling) Therefore, those who "love" read only to write excuses.
  26. +1
    2 July 2012 04: 57
    I thank the author for a meaningful review (bold plus) drinks .
    It goes without saying that a team that has done something that basically cannot fly and + very high hidden combat effectiveness ... is a symbiosis of high technology adjusted for very unusual thinking. Technology rules ...
    It is a pity that in this regard we have almost a vacuum in the last quarter century.
  27. wred
    0
    2 July 2012 07: 46
    Guys, I don’t know what you are rubbing about here, while everything says that the review proposed by Kaptsov is a free retelling of some one source.
    I will not claim that this source is a product of advertising propaganda of American power, but here you have another source:
    http://www.info-forum.ru/topic/12324-amerikanskaja-armija-samii-bolshoi-mif-hh-v



    eka /
    Everything will be more fun to argue ...)))
    Quote regarding "black iron":
    ... by the beginning of the war, Iraqi air defense was the most prepared and equipped type of armed forces and was fighting the American aircraft in all seriousness, ending it only a couple of days before the entry of American troops into Baghdad.

    As a result, the ratio of American casualties in various types of military equipment turned out to be very unusual in this war: 400 tanks and about 600 combat aircraft, while during the first war with Iraq, Americans lost 150 aircraft and 600 tanks. In the era of jet aircraft in large-scale wars, the number of destroyed combat aircraft is several times less than the number of tanks destroyed.

    Huge losses of American aircraft over Baghdad and its environs began literally in the first hour of the war. News agencies reported that 20 light bombers of the F-117A type ("Stealth") went on the first raid on Baghdad. Then there were reports that two F-117A bombs were dropped directly on objects in Baghdad. Question: what happened to the remaining 18 stealths out of 20 that flew to Baghdad? The answer is simple: these 18 aircraft were shot down by the Iraqi air defense system during the breakthrough to Baghdad.

    Thus, in the first hour of the war, US aviation lost only over Baghdad at least 18 F-117A out of 45 aircraft of this type that were part of the US Air Force. It is no coincidence that two days after the start of the war, all mentions of participation in hostilities and "invisible" strategic bombers "B-2" disappeared.


    As for the correctness of assessments of the quality of aircraft (I'm talking about the Su-27) by how much he took part in hostilities - I think these assessments are incorrect. At least the Americans have not yet agreed to ONE EVEN TRAINING FIGHT with the "dryers". What can we say about a real fight? And taking into account the materials on the link I suggested, the gring prefer banally not to meddle with their "eagles" where there are "dryers". Not even out of fear that there will be losses, but because after the losses, sales of Ef-ok will fall sharply. Don't forget that their main motive is profit. It makes no sense for them to fight battles that will lead to a LOSS. Not people, of course - money.
    1. with
      0
      2 July 2012 11: 20
      Quote: wred
      Guys, I don’t know what are you talking about here


      wred I was afraid to give them this link — how can they believe this, for example:
      "Having destroyed about 2 thousand Americans in a few days of fighting in the airport area, the Cubans during this time, according to the Americans themselves, lost 50 people."
      Their zombie and fragile brains are unlikely to believe it !!!))) bully
      They don’t like to face the truth, but believe in the Western media and their propaganda.
      If they begin to write here that we attacked Georgia, then in general, what can we talk about with them?))) bully
  28. Bator79
    0
    3 July 2012 07: 38
    the Americans have never used the vaunted F-22 and B-2 anywhere ... Although they are waging 4 wars ... Why is it being asked? OVER?)))))))
    And then the Syrians, for example, with the antediluvian S-70s, will take and bring down the declaimed and most expensive F-22 fighter ... Or even worse, from the MANPADS Needle will take and bring down the most expensive aircraft in the world B-2))))
  29. 0
    26 August 2014 18: 38
    This is a super modern black hole in which the Americans threw a bunch of greenery.
    1. 0
      28 September 2019 17: 56
      Interesting, and how now they will comment on this article?

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