The reaction of Naftogaz to the proposals of the Russian Federation on gas transit has become known

In the Ukrainian "Naftogaz" commented on a possible agreement with the company "Gazprom" on the transit of gas through the territory of Ukraine. Earlier, the Minister of Energy of the Russian Federation Alexander Novak made a proposal to extend the existing "transit" contract under current conditions. Such a proposal was voiced by the Russian minister during a meeting with the deputy head of the European Commission, responsible for the energy sector of the EU, Maros Shevchovich.

According to Novak, the only condition for the extension of the agreement on the transit of gas through Ukrainian territory is the settlement of legal claims from Kiev to Russia.

After this proposal, in Naftogaz they issued a whole “story” about how they relate to the Russian initiative. The author of the "story" on Facebook was Yuri Vitrenko, who is the executive director of Naftogaz.

From the publication of Mr. Vitrenko:

It seems that the Russian Federation is waiting for "negotiators" who will hand over the interests of Ukraine, and not agree on civilized and fair rules for all parties.

At the same time, Vitrenko notes that Naftogaz allegedly did not receive proposals from Russia for resolving financial disputes.

From the publication:

If we receive, we will carefully consider them. In particular, we can consider the form in which Gazprom will fulfill the decision of the previous arbitration to compensate Naftogaz for losses due to Gazprom’s failure to fulfill its obligations under the transit contract in 2009-2017. Let me remind you, behind this decision, Gazprom owes us more than 2,8 billion dollars.

Speaking of the new agreement, Vitrenko again stated that Naftogaz is ready to consider it only if it “provides for compensation for Gazprom’s failure to fulfill its obligations in the 2018-2019 years”.

All these statements by the Ukrainian side once again prove the correctness of the course for the construction of the Nord Stream-2.

It is worth adding that in the United States, trying in every way to hinder the implementation of this project, they prepared a package of sanctions.

Comments

[olhon]

Return the Yanukovsky tranche first.

[210ox]

Drive the Amersa curators first, the tranche can be done later .. Although what kind of heresy I wrote .. For rogul these conditions are unacceptable.

[major147]

Quote: 210ox

For rogul these conditions are unacceptable.

That's what Gazprom is counting on. Whatever the "Muscovites" offer, the "independent" will do the opposite. Then we will show the EU that Russia is good for them on gas, and they are back to us, for this SP-2 is our everything!

[Tatyana]

All these statements by the Ukrainian side once again prove the correctness of the course for the construction of the Nord Stream-2.

It is known that Poroshenko claims that Ukraine since November 2015 refused to purchase gas from Gazprom and is pumping into storage facilities the fuel purchased through reverse in Europe, mainly in Slovakia, Hungary and Poland. At the same time, the Kiev authorities have repeatedly stated that they allegedly managed to "get off the Russian gas needle" however, many officials and politicians noted that such purchases are more expensive than deliveries from Russia directly.

It is noteworthy that the whole "trick" of these statements by Poroshenko and others of the Kiev authorities, as already reported in the media, is that the so-called "reverse" Russian gas from Europe does not actually leave the territory of Ukraine itself - to the same Slovakia, Hungary and Poland - but is simply formally re-registered in Ukraine on the border with these countriesthat he allegedly crossed the European border, and then returned from there to Ukraine, for the bypass pipe itself, as it was in this case on the territory of Ukraine, exists there. The media even called this "hidden" branch of the Ukrainian gas pipeline. And the authorities of Kiev are in charge of all this machination.

At the same time, all the excess profits of the corrupt "get-together" between Ukraine and Hungary, Slovakia and Poland is raked by the "reverse" increase in the price of Russian gas for ordinary Ukrainians into the pockets of the oligarchs of these countries, who are "dedicated" to this business. Their profits are colossal!
In addition, these profits of the junting authorities in Kiev serve not only as a source of their retention in power in Ukraine, but also as a war of Russophobia against the inhabitants of the LPR.

Hence follows the very mercantile categorical protest and reluctance of the leadership of these countries - Poland, Romania and Slovakia - in the construction of SP-2, which simply eliminates all this "shop" of gas theft by Ukraine and some Russophobic EU countries for profit of their authorities from their pockets from the people of Ukraine to support the pro-American Kiev junta against Russia.

It is noteworthy that one of the ways of the Russian leadership to limit this Kiev abuse against Russia in the "theft" of gas from the Russophobic Ukraine, as well as Poland, Hungary and Slovenia, has already been an attempt to supply Russian gas to these Russophobic EU countries through Ukraine only in size to provide for the domestic needs of these countries, and not for resale to Ukraine. However, nothing came of this from Russia.

As a result, we have that the construction of "SP-2" bypassing the Russophobic pro-American Ukraine is an absolutely forced measure on the part of the Russian Federation to protect its military and economic national security in the field of gas supplies to Europe itself.

[ltc35]

SP-2 will not allow you to make money from gas, or rather from the air! The guys will have to come up with new schemes.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: olhon

Return the Yanukovsky tranche first.

What fell from the cart, you can’t cut it with an ax.
Who is their external manager? That's right, phishington.
And to whom when did he pay debts?
The question is of course rhetorical

[Maz]

And they are going to build engines for American missiles! Poor americans

[Mavrikiy]

According to Novak, the only condition for the extension of the agreement on the transit of gas through Ukrainian territory is the settlement of legal claims from Kiev to Russia.

Right. We have shown goodwill, and let the independent ones "grow rich with a thought."

[Mikhail Malakhov]

You started to show something good will after it became clear that you could not do without ukrotransit .. And before that, cheeks were inflated

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

You started to show something good will after it became clear that you could not do without ukrotransit .. And before that, cheeks were inflated

With "humor" you are good ... Continue.

[Mikhail Malakhov]

I don’t see anything funny here ..
Nord Stream 2 is ready for it, there is no way to do without a new contract with Ukraine ..

[Thunderbringer]

The main thing is to repeat this without stopping.
So no one has yet given anyone any transit.
But you are already jumping and singing the mantras in chorus.

[major147]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

you can’t do without a new contract with Ukraine ..

Do it, do it! Google, Gazprom clogs up all the storage facilities in Europe with gas and with the volume that goes by the "square" you can slip through the winter under contracts. Another thing is that Gazprom is now driving volumes in excess of contracts to the European market, here you have to hold back the horses, and this is minus income. But "to our independent brothers" without transit "fifth point"! Their eastern regions technically cannot receive gas other than from a transit pipe. Those. in case of termination of the growth. transit, a number of their areas will simply remain without gas. So they should not "puff out" their cheeks.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

I don’t see anything funny here ..
Nord Stream 2 is ready for it, there is no way to do without a new contract with Ukraine ..

So it’s not funny to you because you don’t see (or maybe you see and you’re scared). Russia can fill Europe with its LNG for 0,5 - 1 year before the launch of the SP-2 at a low tariff, so as not to revive the transit through horses. And we show "goodwill" not to Ruin, but to Germany. She, too, is tilted in unison by the EU and the US, which she believes: "Be sure to get gas through the Ruin!"
So we don’t mind, but .... Do we need it? Let's get along!

[Mikhail Malakhov]

Well, wait and see

[Bull Terrier]

isn’t it funny?) were you put forward conditions that were up to this point that Ukraine would never accept) do you know how kittens play with a bow on a string? here and have fun) these statements are generally not for you but for Europe)

[ibn.shamai]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

You started to show something good will after it became clear that you could not do without ukrotransit .. And before that, cheeks were inflated

And now what has changed so that we would stop "puffing out our cheeks"? Now, after the New Year, we will see what YOU will inflate to find gas, farts probably!

[Mikhail Malakhov]

Before the new year it is necessary to conclude a contract

[Lopatov]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

Before the new year it is necessary to conclude a contract

Who needs"?
Lack of transit means no "free gas" for reverse supplies.

[Mikhail Malakhov]

Gazprom apparently needs if it is negotiating with Ukraine .. No?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

Gazprom apparently needs if it is negotiating with Ukraine .. No?

No.
Gazprom needed the consent of Germany. And the local politicians unequivocally agreed to support the project only while maintaining transit. Gazprom agreed. Already then, in the years 16-17.

But the condition was immediately indicated: it should be beneficial for Russia. And that has been pointed out many times. And about the negotiations, and about the condition.

[Mikhail Malakhov]

Does this somehow cancel the fact that now Gazprom needs to conclude an agreement with Naftogaz?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

Does this somehow cancel the fact that now Gazprom needs to conclude an agreement with Nveaftogaz?

Naturally cancels. Gazprom initially agreed. And therefore, the burden of persuasion of Ukrainian inadequacy exclusively in Brussels and Berlin.

You have generally noticed that Gazprom no longer negotiates directly, only through Euro-mediators. Say, "you need to, we agree, but you will persuade yourself"

[Sergey1987]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

Gazprom apparently needs if it is negotiating with Ukraine

This is when these negotiations began? There are no negotiations.

[Thunderbringer]

Yes, they need it.
The whole point of a small-town provincial understanding in this bloating of yellow-black cheeks.
"Bravery and stupidity"

[major147]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

Before the new year it is necessary to conclude a contract

"Consent is non-resistance of the two parties" (c) How to conclude a contract with "people" whom their master does not order !? Here ESu and show who is sitting on the pipe.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

You began to show goodwill after it became clear that you could not do without ukrotransit.

8)))
We have always said this to Europe. Blah blah blah, transit will be preserved ... Now let them deal with the unbridled Ukraine themselves

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Spade

Let now they themselves deal with the rickety Ukraine

... which bothered them worse than the bitter radish

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

It is necessary to conclude a new contract with Naftogaz

But is it impossible to conclude for a week on pumping 3 liters?
You yourself have now admitted that without our transit, you as a state of KIRDYK !!!!

[Mikhail Malakhov]

Which one is yours? I live in Russia .. I just really need to look at what is happening. For a week at 3 liters, Naftogaz will not conclude .. They don’t need it. B

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

They don’t need it. B

They have a contract "must.b"
But it is a condition of Germany that the transit will not stop.
But what he will be no one specified.
For this, SP-2 is being built to keep urkain away from the gas pipe.
Moreover, the Ukranian gas transportation system is breathing.
They already wanted to drag her in to the curators, they abandoned this trash

[Thunderbringer]

In Russia?
Well, running to his historic homeland!

[major147]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

I live in Russia..

Whose daughter are you? Officer?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

Who you are? Are you miller Did not recognize you in makeup ..
Who are you then? All cotton cadreness screamed in saliva that the end of transit through Ukraine ..
Total? It is necessary to conclude a new contract with Naftogaz ..

Dear, well, do not be so hysterical 8)))))))))))))))
"We" is Russia.
And the preservation of transit was the initial requirement of Germany. And they agreed with him.
Has your "honest press" "forgot" to tell about this? Well, google it yourself 8))))))))

[Mikhail Malakhov]

http://tass.ru/ekonomika/2029526
And who said this?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

And who said this?

Have you looked at the date? Summer of the 15th. And when did you start agreeing on SP-2, and when was the requirement to preserve transit put forward? Right, in the 17th
Here, for example: https://expert.ru/expert/2017/11/severnyij-potok---2-zapustyat-s-obremeneniem/
"German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel said that Germany supports the Nord Stream 2 project, but only on condition that gas transit through Ukraine continues. According to him, Interfax reports, it is important for Germany to maintain gas transit through Ukraine. and to provide energy resources to Slovakia, the Czech Republic and Poland. "

[Mikhail Malakhov]

Well, there was such an outrageous statement?
Then I had to work back, right?
Forced ..
And now, it may also have to ..

[Lopatov]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

Then I had to work back, right?
Forced ..

You post under an article in which you read only the headline?

"Forced" what? Make a promise? Okay, they made me, then what "Promise-not to marry" (c)
As you can see from the article, Ukrainians are in a rage and are ready to do everything to stop transit. But this is already a Europeans problem. Moreover, they have the promise of Gazprom, and blaming everything on it, as has been done repeatedly before, will fail.

[major147]

Quote: Spade

Respected

Yes, you are a "liberal"!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

how it became clear that one cannot do without ukrotransit.

oh how
Well, it's like that bullshit that you can do without Russian gas

[Mikhail Malakhov]

Who you are? I live in the Urals then ..

[Sonmaster]

The key word is "then I dwell" ... continue to exist.)))

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

I live in the Urals.

But the smell from you is Bandera

[Mikhail Malakhov]

Well not cottony, yes

[Lopatov]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

Well not cottony, yes

This is the word that identifies you

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

Well not cottony, yes

So cotton wool is a natural product and cannot smell.
But Bandera SMERDIT

[Mikhail Malakhov]

Vata stinks .y they are stupid, Europeans are gay people, Ukrainians are flawed ..
You just need to really look at things.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

You just need to really look at things.

Yes, where so real
Poles your employers and then from your Bandera stink nose nose

[Incvizitor]

Embroidery ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

I live in the Urals.

Do you work? And when to go home?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Spade

Do you work? And when to go home?

How do business trips end

[Lopatov]

It's a pity the flags were removed. "Officer's daughter" (c) can live anywhere

[Edmond dantes]

In fact, he can live in the Urals; in 2014, a bunch of these pan-and-headedheads came to Russia. So they crap with us slowly ...

[Thunderbringer]

He doesn’t need to go home. What is there to do at home?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Thunderbringer

He doesn’t need to go home. What is there to do at home?

"An order has been given to him ...."

[dirk182]

thank you

[major147]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

And before that, cheeks were inflated

Time "Ch" for transit is approaching, and the President promised the EU. So the "approach", "withdrawal", "fixation" is done!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

You started to show something good will after it became clear that you could not do without ukrotransit .. And before that, cheeks were inflated

There was no talk of a COMPLETE termination of transit through 404, even after the launch of the SP-2. Just the numbers of what will remain were different. Where did you see the "puffy cheeks"?

[Mikhail Malakhov]

http://tass.ru/ekonomika/2029526
What is this?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

What is this?

What year of manufacture?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

What is this?

Just that he himself is not up to date. That says that there will be no contract, then, right there, he talks about new contracts

The deputy chairman of the company’s board emphasized that the take-or-pay principle will be retained in contracts with Ukraine and other buyers.

Perhaps he meant that there would be no contracts on the previous terms.

[Mikhail Malakhov]

You confuse a little .. He said that there will be no new contracts for transit. And here - * The deputy chairman of the company’s board stressed that the take-or-pay principle will be retained in contracts with Ukraine and other buyers. * - This is about a gas purchase contract for Ukraine ..

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

We are talking about a contract for the purchase of gas for Ukraine.

I admit that they can do as they once planned. To sell gas both for Ukraine and Europe on the border of Russia with Ukraine, and then Ukraine should agree with Europe itself - to whom, how much and for how much.

[Mikhail Malakhov]

We can admit anything ..
It’s just that many people think I see that Gazprom has all the trump cards in its hands and it can do what it wants .. But this is far from the case.
That's what I'm talking about.

[red shuhart]

Listen. I read the comments of both yours and your opponents. If you wish, listen to what I think about this (loud statements from Gazprom and Naftogaz to the furnace). The Ukrainian GTS is badly worn out, they wrote that 10 lards of greenery are needed for its modernization. Do you really believe that the money squeezed by the court from Gazprom will go to this? Suppose Gazprom pays and where will the money go? Now, under the contracts, it is clear that you cannot do without transit, but on what terms? SP2 is being cut in full, for example, hacked to death, a peremog? Hell no. Ukraine will immediately demand huge volumes for an unrealistic transit price, Gazprom will have to raise prices, and right there the American lng. That is, Europe simply will not need so much Russian gas, and Ukraine will immediately scream about the violation of contractual obligations and run to court for compensation. Does Gazprom need it? Yes, and the ardor with which everyone chops for these three lard of greens is incomprehensible "this is not your tooth and not even mine, this is their tooth" (c) "I am afraid to stop" k \ f

[Mikhail Malakhov]

---- Do you really believe that the money squeezed by the court from Gazprom will go for it? ---- Yes, God be with you .. Where did I write about this?
I’m just saying that Naftogaz will probably have to be reckoned with, and Gazprom will not be able to set ultimatums .. That's all ..

[Lena363]

It is unprofitable for Gazprom to handle its affairs. Therefore he refuses.

[Den717]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

You started to show something good will after it became clear that you could not do without ukrotransit .. And before that, cheeks were inflated

In vain you are so categorical. Those who are in tune with the calculator and the globe initially knew that UkrGTS would be in demand all year 2020 in terms of current volumes, and after 2020 in terms of increasing demand and lower domestic gas production in Europe. Bloating cheeks and any rash comments are made against the backdrop of political statements by people not involved in the construction. Is it worth it to react to emotional outbursts? In general, in my opinion, the Americans are raising all this turbidity in order to create a gas deficit in Europe, raise its price, and increase the cost of European products. Therefore, they will do everything to stop SP-2 and prevent Ukraine and Russia from agreeing on a transit. Kobolev gets his incredible money just to drain the UkrGTS. He will never agree to the terms of Gazprom. And nobody can remove him from his post today, because he is being held there by the Supervisory Board, where an Englishwoman with an American is in charge. They set him a salary. Hence all the reactions to the proposals. It should be understood that the main goal of the people behind the political leadership of Ukraine is not the development of the state of Ukraine, but the creation of a zone of confrontation between Russia there. And the stronger the economy will be ditched there, the less likely the integration of the economies of Russia and Ukraine even in the event of a change in the political course of the current authorities 404. Based on these targets, it is possible to predict the reactions and decisions made in Ukraine in any branch of the economy or public life.

[Mikhail Malakhov]

The question is simply what? Who is in what position for negotiations ..
Gazprom lost the arbitration and needs transit through Ukraine is a fact.
That is, the position of Naftogaz is improving .. I have to take this into account .. I’m talking about this.

[Den717]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

Gazprom lost the arbitration and needs transit through Ukraine is a fact.
That is, the position of Naftogaz is improving .. We have to take this into account.

This is a bit more complicated. Europe has the opportunity to receive less gas in the required amount. The likelihood that European consumers are interested in continuing transit is increasing. To put pressure on Ukraine is somewhat easier and less painful for them. After all, additional volumes may come from Russia, or may go to the East. And in Ukraine, in any case, there is nothing to take. There are a lot of questions, especially on the minimum of information that we have.

[Mikhail Malakhov]

That’s exactly what we have with a minimum of information, so we don’t know where it is more profitable for them to push ..
to Ukraine or to Gazprom.

[Mikhail Malakhov]

As for me, Gazprom’s position is losing .. At first they stated that there would be no transit through Ukraine .. Then they lost the courts to Ukraine .. Then it turned out that transit could not be done ..
And now Gazprom says, let's forget everything that used to be. Naturally Naftogaz is not necessary ..
You have to compromise ..

[Den717]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

As for me, Gazprom’s position is losing ..

I would not rush to bury Gazprom. As I at one time was wary of all these mantras about closing transit through UkrGTS.

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

And now Gazprom says, let's forget everything that used to be

So after all, it was previously clear that the court decision was politicized and did not comply with the agreement. Gazprom did not agree with him then, and will not agree under the threat of termination of the contract. The Swedes turned up, made the financial position of one of the parties the rationale for the decision, which is unacceptable from our point of view. Although here you can throw cones on Gazprom. It is customary for the Scandinavians to take into account the financial situation of the parties, even if it is not prescribed by the contract. Their legal science and practice are far from ideal.

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

Naturally Naftogaz is not necessary ..

That is the question, what does Naftogaz need? By the logic of all previous movements, it seems to me that they need a break or complete surrender of Gazprom. Those. the position is not contractual; Naftogaz does not observe a desire to reach a productive compromise to the satisfaction of both parties. Gazprom, on the contrary, demonstrates to everyone, including Europe, the desire for productive cooperation. And this can give rise to positive for him from the Europeans. We will see. The end is near ...

[Mikhail Malakhov]

----Those. the position is not contractual; Naftogaz does not observe a desire to reach a productive compromise to the satisfaction of both parties. ----
I apologize of course, but what did you want?
Here I already gave a link to a statement by Gazprom officials for 15 years that * Ukrainian transit fsё..Ni under what conditions * ..
Here, in my opinion, the proverb is very suitable- How it comes around and responds ..
No?

[Den717]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

Here, in my opinion, the proverb is very suitable- How it comes around and responds ..
No?

Ukraine, excuse me, squeezes property from Gazprom without reason. If anyone responds, it would be Gazprom would have to take "active measures" against Naftogaz. There is a contract, you have to follow it, and not try to change it unilaterally. From my point of view, Kiev has long deserved a selective shooting, but these problems are not on my salary. Do you want to protect them? Your right. But the meaning? Relations between Ukraine and Russia are at an impasse. Today only Russia is trying to find a way out of it. Another thing is that Ukraine does not have the same level of sovereignty as Russia. Ukraine is a proud bird, it will fly as it kicks.

[Mikhail Malakhov]

They need my protection as a hare stop signal ..

[Mikhail Malakhov]

---- I would not rush to bury Gazprom .----
No one is burying Gazprom .. You read the comments ... people are sure that Naftogaz should stand on its hind legs in front of Gazprom and happily agree to any conditions and take it as a mercy.
And why should Naftogaz behave this way if Gazprom can’t do without it, it doesn’t occur to them .. It’s more likely that they will have an equal conversation ..
And as for the politicization of the court, we can take it whatever you like, but there is a solution

[Den717]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

.You read the comments ... people are sure

I am not guided by the opinions of others, especially not always thought out. I somehow got used to it myself ..... And where does the confidence of the people? In Ukraine, too, there is a people, and this people drinks vodka for Bandera and spits on the graves of its grandfathers. Suggest to listen?

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

It’s more likely to have an equal conversation ..

And nobody puts them in a pose, they themselves do not want. Arbitration, after all, did not award Naftogaz a debt for unpaid work. He threw them an unearned piece from the master’s shoulder, torn off from Gazprom. This is an FAIR decision, unfounded.

[garrett]

And nobody puts them in a pose, they themselves do not want. Arbitration, after all, did not award Naftogaz a debt for unpaid work. He threw them an unearned piece from the master’s shoulder, torn off from Gazprom. This is an FAIR decision, unfounded.

it’s a little bit wrong, everything is more complicated there ... the first thing the Gazprom lawyers need to ask is, because the Swedish arbitration and the final decision were written in the contract (a completely open arbitration decision is not made publicly available by any side, it would seem - why? )))), moreover, money in the amount of 2 lard for the payment of a fine has already been contributed to the Gazprom budget for 2019. As for future contracts, Ukrainians understand that Ukraine’s gas transportation system in the existing form of khan (convulsions will last another five years, but the end is a little predictable, they won’t cling much to business reputation), there will be one branch with a pumping volume of 30-40 billion3 and most likely will belong some European / American consortium, but for Gazprom the reputation risks are high, that's why they are looking for contacts with the dead-end / Naftogaz.

[Den717]

Quote: Garrett

moreover, money in the amount of 2 lard for the payment of a fine has already been contributed to the Gazprom budget for 2019.

The question is not worth refusing to comply with the arbitration decision. They protest him, i.e. not the decision itself, the decision-making procedure. Therefore, they admit the possibility of losing. It is normal for money to be budgeted but not spent. Now, if not planned, then, if necessary, pay, this money will have to be scraped off from other articles. And it’s painful. With the rest, in principle, I agree. Although I admit that there are several development options. Wait a while. See you soon.

[garrett]

Although I admit that there are several development options

in fact, there are only two of them for Ukraine / Naftogaz - bad and very bad. Gazprom is likely to have to lose something, but in the long run it will benefit.

[Den717]

Quote: Garrett

Gazprom is likely to have to lose something, but in the long run it will benefit.

Probably yes. It is possible that Gazprom will gather to combine the western and eastern fields and accelerate the introduction of the Power of Siberia to compensate for losses in Western capacities. Ukraine has a very good option, but today there are no forces that can embody it. Boyko Radu will not take the majority, and all the rest-the liquidators of Ukraine.

[Lena363]

Gazprom is more interested in securing gas supplies than Naftogaz. Because he is obliged to fulfill the contracts in full. If the European countries receive less gas, Gazprom will pay fines. Usually in the amount of the cost of undelivered gas! And they will not understand why and who is to blame for the disruption of transit. And about all sorts of sales to the East instead of the EU - idle chatter. Even if the Power of Siberia is built ahead of schedule, there will be no gas supplies. because China has not yet built gas pipelines on its territory. And it will not work to transfer Yamal gas to the Far East due to the lack of gas pipelines, local fields must be involved there.

[Hagalaz]

Yo mine! It’s good if it’s really politics and really only a demonstration of goodwill. And then after all, the ushlepoki once again demonstrate not the ability to adequate negotiations.

[Pessimist22]

All of them dream of compensation, naive people, believe in the judicial system of Stockholm and the Hague Tribunal.

[morpogr]

They all come down to one, give pennies. And after that, maybe we’ll start discussing it. Spit on people and the fact that soon the heating season, money is the main thing money. And the fact that now, through EU mediation, public appeals are being made to Ukraine, so that then there would be no moan, but us for the shchoo. And the transfer of negotiations to the fall is indicative, such as let's see who we choose and talk, and then sp2 will work.

[Mikhail Malakhov]

Do not give pennies and execute the decision of the court ..

[Volodin]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

Do not give pennies and execute the decision of the court ..

Like the classic: "Who are the judges? .."

Concerning Kiev. They are waiting for money through the court - see what little ma-latsy: here they "confront the aggressor", there they want to "cut down" money from him. Such a consistent Ukrainian approach ...

[Non liberoid Russian]

what court decision?))) suspended? See a colander so squeezes or your media did not convey? Gazprom is not a sucker, it’s so easy to put on shoes, it will throw appeals and counterclaims that all your life on the fields you will collect strawberries until you repay your debts ... and don’t think that in the fall it will take three lard, and you’ll give it back ... your fate will the next 30-40 years to use lace panties from secondhand and give debts

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

all your life on the fields you will collect strawberries until you repay your debts ...

They will accelerate.
The geyrop is full of toilets, and they have visa-free services for these jobs

[ibn.shamai]

So after all, money must be wisely spent and not plundered as it is.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: ibn.shamai

rather than stealing like them.

For this, tranches are allocated to drive into eternal bondage

[Streamil]

The reaction of Naftogaz to the proposals of the Russian Federation on gas transit has become known

"Give me money, or else, we'll come up with something now. Uncle Sam, they don't give money. We called them the aggressor, we are at war with them in Donbass, we ask everyone to introduce sanctions, but they don't give money!"

[Redbul]

Do not do good, you will not get evil .... There is nothing more to say to the insolent in Kiev.

[Mikhail Malakhov]

The kindest thing was when they imposed gas on them in 2009, it seems, for $ 400, and even "take it or pay" .. Excessive kindness

[Michman]

But isn't that right? Whoever pays, orders the music, and the rest only dance. It’s a pity that 400 each had to be 800. so that in the Stone Age they would drive all of the Jews over.

[Mikhail Malakhov]

Now it is clear why they wanted to escape to the EU)) The "fraternal narod" is immediately evident

[Michman]

Yes, in what relationship are they ??? it is better to be an orphan than to have such brothers.

[Dym71]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

The kindest thing was when they imposed gas on them in 2009, it seems, for $ 400, and even "take it or pay" .. Excessive kindness

Imposed? They have their own production in the region of 20 billion cubic meters per year., And consumption of about 30 + for transit has a net profit, what will you impose here?
Look at gas prices for Ukraine, where are there 400 in 2009?

[Mikhail Malakhov]

They imposed 63 billion cubic meters per year if my memory serves me on the principle of take or pay ..

[Dym71]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

They were imposed 63 billion cubic meters per year

40 in 2009, then - 52 billion cubic meters each, with a living (then still) Ukrainian industry - the real volume:

[YUG64]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

The kindest thing was when they imposed gas on them in 2009, it seems, for $ 400, and even "take it or pay" .. Excessive kindness

Well, the price of 50 categorically didn’t suit them, it was undemocratic, and therefore ritual dances for the glory of the American overlord were seen on the pipe in order to show who was the most important in Europe ... ... Well, who was to blame for them - again, they swore Muscovites ???

[knn54]

Interestingly, Natalya Vitrenko is not ashamed of her son?

[goose]

Quote: knn54

Interestingly, Natalya Vitrenko is not ashamed of her son?

Money doesn't smell. Matvienko is also not ashamed of his son, who immediately after graduation from the university joined the VTB board of directors.

[Li17]

But I wonder why we stopped remembering for the debt of the land before us for the used gas? This is, as usual, us ... but are we kind that we will write everything off again? Or is the topic slippery? Something is a lot of any ideological garbage material, but really economic is not heard! All some kind of persuasion, negotiations on our part with the Ukrainians as if the kids were small, not business sharks! And in general, Miler and the company are somehow quietly hiding from the topic, to see if the topic is scattered then there is article 58 in real life!

[signifera]

Ours, judging by the texts, plays in public. Ukraine will reject all offers, and we, like, well done. And so we persuade, so we offer, there is a discount, here is an installment plan, here just let's be friends. It turns out that Ukraine is to blame for everything, does not make contact, and we are adequate normal guys, but gas for free FIG.

[alexmach]

But I wonder why we stopped remembering for the debt of the land before us for the used gas?

m ... because there is no such debt?

[German Titov]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov

You started to show something good will after it became clear that you could not do without ukrotransit .. And before that, cheeks were inflated

With "humor" you are good ... Continue.

Surrenders "tovarisch" wanted to sarcastically chuckle, but it turned out to be a "grimace of skakuas".

[Mountain shooter]

Transit, transit ... The total volume of gas that Europe needs is more than 200 mln cubic meters per year.
The power of both northern streams is 110 milliliters! According to the Turkish flow for transit - another 15 ... I don’t know the western route through Poland ... but the balance does not converge. Or I don’t know what. According to any 30-40 ml. How is it necessary to deliver?

[Nastia makarova]

transit will remain through Ukraine but in a very small volume that will not even cover the costs of maintaining the GTS

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The total volume of gas that Europe needs is more than 200 milliliter cubic meters per year.

need europe? let Europe admonish the horses.

[alexmach]

Or I don’t know what. According to any 30-40 ml. How is it necessary to deliver?

For example, the fact that gas comes to Europe from Norway, Algeria, Azerbaijan, the USA?

[Lena363]

The joint venture is only 50% loaded in accordance with EU standards. So out of 4 pipes, only 2 of 55 mld.cubes will actually work. It was only in severe colds that they allowed the SP-1 to be fully loaded when it froze.

[alekc75]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Transit, transit ... The total volume of gas that Europe needs is more than 200 mln cubic meters per year.
The power of both northern streams is 110 milliliters! According to the Turkish flow for transit - another 15 ... I don’t know the western route through Poland ... but the balance does not converge. Or I don’t know what. According to any 30-40 ml. How is it necessary to deliver?

if you need to deliver in the form of liquefied !!

[Lena363]

Liquefied gas has a different price, usually higher. Who will pay the difference? The buyer will definitely not be, it’s easier for him to rip off the fine from Gazprom. Yes, and the United States is also interfering with its LNG.

[Fayter]

Hmm, but no one ever admitted that Ukraine is in a winning position and that Gazprom will have to pay a denyuzhu just to stop gas transit to Geyropa.
Amerikosy will quickly replace the Russian one with their liquefied one if Russia does not deliver the required amount on time.

[Puss in Boots]

Mericatos already supply their gas to Europe, they just take it on the Yamal Peninsula

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Fayter

Amerikosy will quickly replace Russian with their liquefied one,

and here, like, not liquefied ... in briquettes goes ... Here the price of kaklov will please!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Aerodrome

goes in briquettes.

In the sheaves ...

[YUG64]

Quote: Fayter

Hmm, but no one ever admitted that Ukraine is in a winning position and that Gazprom will have to pay a denyuzhu just to stop gas transit to Geyropa.
Amerikosy will quickly replace the Russian one with their liquefied one if Russia does not deliver the required amount on time.

Well, first of all, there is still no one to sign a new transit agreement on the part of Ukraine - in violation of the third energy package, a legal entity has not yet been separated from Naftogaz, which will deal with transit. will once show the Europeans what cesspool they have contacted. And secondly ... How are you going to deliver liquefied American gas to Ukraine? With balloons? Baby cage "Kvitochka", nursery group ... Logistics is first worked out, and not by language!

[Antares]

Quote: Fayter

Hmm, but no one ever admitted that Ukraine is in a winning position and that Gazprom will have to pay a denyuzhu just to stop gas transit to Geyropa.

oh well, gas war is only part of the information. People live the information that they were given. And given, apparently, their own and only side. And there is its own bell tower (where everyone was defeated)
they don’t have time to reimburse volumes of all directions by the time the contract is stopped. Yes, and EU energy laws ...
here comes the informational one. For the volume. In the Russian Federation write-insignificant (15bn) In the EU and Ukraine-significant (more than 45 billion)
Ours also want to help Gazprom "decide" on a contract (not without pressure from the EU, of course), and they cut the fee for transit and the company is doing it ..
In the meantime, it remains for all sides to throw their caps and praise their own for "victory" in the great gas war of the second order.

Quote: Fayter

Amerikosy will quickly replace the Russian one with their liquefied one if Russia does not deliver the required amount on time.

the terminals are not yet ready on the East Coast. But control of the transit countries of the Russian Federation has already lost. In 2022, they will be ready for gas saturation. EU market.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Antares

In 2022 they will be ready for gas saturation. EU market.

Do Europeans already know that they will have to pay much more? Or will they be pleased later?

[Dym71]

Quote: Antares

oh well, gas war is only part of the information. People live the information that they were given. And given, apparently, their own and only side. And there is its own bell tower (where everyone was defeated)

You don’t have to trick your grandmother, we can obtain information both from Ukrainian and Ukrainian and mine, tea is not dark at all.

Quote: Antares

terminals are not yet ready on the East Coast.

In Polish Swinoujscie since April 2016 are ready and what are we observing?
Theses from PGNiG on the situation for 7 months of 2018:
- the share of gas purchased from Russia decreased by 2% to 75% of total imports;
- LNG share increased by 6% to 19% of total imports;
And if I understand everything with your expectation of saturation of the EU gas market, then what are they waiting for?
The same - "terminals on the East Coast"?

[Thrifty]

But would not our leadership of Gazprom send with negotiators, and ukroinsky naphtha-Russian gas to three cheerful letters? It's time to close the tap! Enough at the expense of the domestic consumer to feed Kiev! Let mellar with the brotherly Gazprom gangster quasi-state buy gas for their loot! Contracts with ukroiny should be totally annulled-ALL !!!

[Fayter]

Specifically, about the Kiev region, the father-in-law in the village doesn’t heat gas anymore; after the Maidan, the oligarchs can afford it.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Thrifty

Contracts with ukroiny should be totally annulled-ALL !!!

Will you pay forfeit?

[dauria]

But should our Gazprom management send negotiators

Of our in Gazprom 50%. The rest are Germans, Americans and (fun, right?) Ukrainians. Oh yes. Madame Luzhkova-Baturina has 1% of the "property of Russia" lying around.

[goose]

Quote: Thrifty

Let mellar and his brother Gazprom gangster quasi-state buy gas for their loot

This is a fact, the level of gasification in Russia is none. Russia itself consumes a small fraction of the gas it produces. But in the provinces, nemesis burns forests and coal. Expensive + we remain without a forest.

[ak747]

Russia produces about 600 billion cubic meters of gas per year. About 200 are exported - that is 1/3, and 2/3 are consumed domestically.

[goose]

Quote: ak747

and 2/3 are consumed domestically.

It consumes large industry. The population is not gasified.

[Lord of the Sith]

How is it that you seem to be at war with Russia, and at the same time beg for it like bums on the porch of resources?

[Fayter]

But do not care about homeless people, as long as there is no SP-2, Russia will be forced to pay everything for lost ships in the near future, otherwise the Americans will take its place in gas supplies to Oyropa.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Fayter

Russia will be forced to pay

8))))

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Fayter

Russia will be forced to pay everything for lost ships in the near future,

Not one trial has been lost .. All decisions are suspended

otherwise, the Americans will take its place in gas supplies to Europe.

Schazz. SP-2 is better and cheaper for Europe

[Roma 1977]

Europe does not always do what is better and cheaper for it ...

[Lord of the Sith]

farther , no one has paid anything yet, American gas is insanely expensive, in Europe they can count money too, and the Americans are not able to provide an uninterrupted supply of the required amount of gas.
And anyway, what's the point of buying from the Americans if Russia has several new hubs and a delivery vehicle nearby?))

[Victoria-V]

Denmark demanded to consider the laying of Nord Stream-2 along a route other than previously planned. It will take 6 months to assess the environmental impact of the pipe. Although the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea provides that in international waters, including exclusive economic zones, freedom of laying submarine cables and pipelines is guaranteed. In short: at best, a new pipe in a year.

[kjhg]

The Kremlin already realized that they would not have time to launch SP-2 before the new year. Therefore, all these offers of discounts for deliveries to Ukraine for the sake of maintaining transit to Europe went. Although before that, the cheeks were inflated and hit with a heel in the chest, that the SP-2 will be built on time in any situation. No wonder the saying goes: do not say the gop until you jump over.

[Mikhail Malakhov]

Here I am talking about this .. Now, the local patriots will ask you if the saucepan is shaking and will be called a bastard))

[YUG64]

Even if they manage to do it, it takes about a year to reach the full potential of the Sp-2. So even initially no one expected that it would solve the problems before 2020. And it never meant a complete cessation of transit - at least in fact top always said that transit should remain, and Putin promised Merkel. But transit in the amount of, say, 30 billion cubic meters a year does not even ensure the self-sufficiency of the system, and certainly does not give Ukraine any profit. That's ideal option. Even 40 billion. Russia will arrange, Ukraine needs 90 to have three billion. Bucks a year. But this will not happen. Therefore, let them jump, but higher! After the story with Tomos, even children know that any ukroperem after a maximum of six months mystically turns into a hail ..

[Lopatov]

Quote: kjhg

The Kremlin already realized that they would not have time to launch SP-2 before the new year. Therefore, all these offers of discounts for deliveries to Ukraine for the sake of maintaining transit to Europe went.

Nonsense.

[Thunderbringer]

Quote: kjhg

Although before that, the cheeks were inflated and hit with a heel in the chest, that the SP-2 will be built on time in any situation.

Are you there, write one training manual?

[Mikhail Malakhov]

Tell me there wasn’t

[demo]

No comment.

[Aliken]

Come on, Miller is losing interests of Russia, and you are surrendering the interests of Ukraine.))

[Victoria-V]

Now the third option will be considered for laying the pipe not in territorial waters, but in the exclusive economic zone of Denmark. It would be possible to put Denmark in its place by contacting the Tribunal for the Law of the Sea, but due to the well-known decision of the provocation tribunal in the Kerch Strait and the position of Russia, this is impossible.

[reservist]

so this is what the circus with the passage of the ukroflot through the Kerch Strait means ...

[Victoria-V]

In your head, as if the camels found a latrine ...

[reservist]

and you have donkeys ...

[Alex Nevs]

ameroSPG to help

[Roma 1977]

American LNG will go to Europe instead of the Russian pipeline, if the agreement with Ukraine is not renewed due to the unavailability of Nord Stream-2. And this will deprive Gazprom of a significant part of its income for 10-15 years.

[Alexey-74]

Yes, send them further, they also show off (sorry you can’t express myself) .... forget what the hell, let the pipe go for scrap. They themselves then crawl, as in other things always.

[gurzuf]

Quote: Volodin

Regarding Kiev.

Not this way! Already officially - Kuev.

[Horon]

Quote: gurzuf

Quote: Volodin

Regarding Kiev.

Not this way! Already officially - Kuev.

Ku-iv!

[comradChe]

I think that the government will agree to all the conditions of Naftogaz. Business is business, there is no time for cheap "patriotic" show-offs.

[BOB044]

What smart they are all on non-fallow. Let the dung be supplied with their industry and the houses are heated.

[Roma 1977]

The Nord Stream will obviously not be launched before the end of the old treaty with Ukraine. That is, you will either have to reduce supplies to Europe, or agree to all the conditions of Ukraine. Long-term strategic state interests require the first option. But the Gazprom businessmen choose the latter. After all, it is easier to raise the retirement age or VAT for Russian citizens once again than to fight hard with "partners" in foreign markets.

[Mikhail Malakhov]

And what are the conditions for Ukraine?

[Roma 1977]

As always. To free and a lot.

[Mikhail Malakhov]

Well, this is a gift to Gazprom .. A lot of transit through Ukraine and for free .. Of course, we must agree to such conditions

[Lena363]

The first option about reducing supplies to Europe is no longer accurate, because these are Gazprom’s direct losses from the failure of contracts in the form of fines. After all, the most recent contract with Italy ends in 2032!

[Mikhail Malakhov]

Lol..Gazprom was the first to run into this * some sort of arbitration * with a lawsuit against Ukraine .. And as a result, received a reverse lawsuit ..

[Lena363]

In fact, Russia lives in the international space and is obliged to fulfill their conditions. And when delivering gas to the EU, it was indicated that controversial issues would be considered by the Stockholm arbitration. Not the Basmanny court.

[tarakan]

pop managers of ukrgaz shoved the prizes in their pockets and abandon the rest of the gesheft ??? Yes, they are pohren on the country (DIA, POCKET, EUROPE,)

[bratchanin3]

How can and what can you talk about with inadequate people? You cannot communicate with such objects.

[Tarasios]

hmm ... Ukraine has reached the handle. And the government (even Po, even Ze - one and the same muzzles) are generally completely unique. You tell him - what time is it? And he told you right away "AAAAA !!!! Peremoga !!!" And well, jump around the stands. It would be funny if it wasn't true ...

[Berg berg]

First, let Ukraine repay the debts with interest, and they already dripped under 8 billion! And then we’ll deal with the new ones, and it’s time to stop feeding the killers of the Russian people in the Donbass - it’s wrong like that!

[2 Level Advisor]

Ukraine again in our news .. unexpectedly ..