Attack on tankers. Will the current incident be a “new Tonkin”?

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History with four tankers (Saudi Al Marzoqah and Amjad, UAE A. Michel and Norwegian Andrea Victory), undermined by 12 in May near the territorial waters of the United Arab Emirates to the east of the Emirate of Fujairah, unexpectedly received its continuation. Now there were two tankers, and they were attacked in the Strait of Hormuz, and in the territorial waters of Iran, where most of the shipping routes, fairways, pass in both directions.





And if the last time the unknown attacked carefully, as if for a warning, then this time everything turned out differently. Then the underwater parts of the tankers were pierced by mines in the area of ​​the waterline or slightly lower than it, but in the aft part, where the engine rooms of the ships, but not the oil Tanks. That is, undermining could cause flooding of the engine room, immobilization of the vessel, but not leakage and fire of oil products. And this time, on June 13, both ships were attacked approximately in the middle of the hull, in the area of ​​the tanks, and both went into the cargo. Front Altair, under the “convenient” flag of the Marshall Islands, came with the UAE with ligroin, and Kokuka Courageous under the no less “convenient” flag of Panama came from KSA with a load of methanol.




Holes and tanker explosive points in the May 12 episode (according to official announcements from the UAE)


The explosions caused fires, the crews could not cope with the damage, and they were evacuated by the Iranians (44 man, among the crew of one of the tankers 10 of our compatriots). True, then there were reports that the American destroyer BROANBRID was in charge of rescuing one of the ships, Kokuka Courageous, perhaps the crew had not been evacuated from this ship, had not been completely evacuated, or had returned because the state of the ship did not inspire fear. But the shots of a strong fire aboard the second vessel, Front Altair, have flown around the information networks: things are clearly bad there. Although later shots of this vessel appeared where there was no fire, although the hull was smoked.

What blew up the tankers?


What attacked the first 4 tankers and the second 2? From the very beginning, there was no consensus on this in the first episodes. The version of the torpedo attack can be taken into account, but usually modern torpedoes do not attack the board, but under the bottom of the victim, breaking the set. And the damage is too ridiculous for a normal-caliber torpedo (533 mm). But the torpedo of a small, anti-submarine caliber, 324 mm, is much more suitable for the nature of the damage, but still, the blow would hardly have been delivered near the waterline, even if it had been sent to the side. The deeper the point of the explosion, the more severe the damage, the greater the pressure of the water, and the more difficult it is to stop its entry into the hull. In addition, no one saw the torpedoes. Although, knowing what Saudi navy men could be, for example, you can imagine what civilian sailors are - they probably wouldn’t have seen a submarine at the surface in a surface position. And yet, there are no frames from video surveillance systems that are now standing on many large ships. There are none of them with unmanned exploding boats, these have already been used by Yemeni Hussites (that is, consider Iranian “vacationers” who organized a chic landfill for developing Iran’s latest weapons on Saudi, Emirate and other coalition mountain-warriors) in Yemen. Although the undermining in the area of ​​the waterline this would be explained well. But some of the vessels have a blast site under water, so the boats fall away - submersible and semi-submersible boats exist, the same Iran has them, the DPRK, where this technology comes from in Iran, Russia, but the unmanned ones are not yet known.

Much has come to indicate the use of adherent sabotage naval object mines, that is, in Western terminology Limpet Mines. Yes, such a mine is really capable of making holes of this size, depending on which, of course. They are different. Thus, the Soviet mine UPM weighing 14,5 kg and with an explosive charge (MS mixture) in 7 kg with dimensions 53x23x17 cm is capable of making an underwater hole in 7 square meters in a steel case in 5 mm. m (not specified, however, at what depth, the size of the holes will depend on the depth). Moreover, the mine is used at depths up to 40-60 m (depending on the type of fuse), and the deceleration of the fuse varies from 1 to 20 h, and from 15 min to 40 days (again, with different types of fuses). It is equipped with 2 fuses of types VZD-1М or VZD-20М; it can also be equipped with an anti-distraction element, therefore its neutralization is prohibited. The magnets confidently hold this mine on a ship with a speed of more than 30-35 bonds. A more modest BPM mine with a weight of 7 kg and a weight of explosives (a mixture of TGA) in 2,8 kg punches a hole in the 7 square in the same 2-mm case. m, and is also applicable at depths up to 60 and detonation slows down for a time from 15 minutes to 40 days. At the same time, BPM pierces steel structures up to 4,5 cm thick and makes a half-meter hole in them. And under the water its effect is only enhanced. But there are underwater mines weighing hundreds of kilograms, both here and in the armies of some NATO countries, for example, the Italians have an objective underwater mine weighing 230 kg. However, this would have caused quite different damage, so here we can talk about a small mine such as the Soviet BPM or UPM, the English Limpet Mk1 or Mk3, and so on. As a matter of fact, the authorities of the United Arab Emirates, after an investigation, speak of such mines, but they do not name either a brand (after all, it can be installed from the collected fragments), and they do not indicate exactly who could have done it. But it is clear that the mined vessels were in the roadstead or in the port. Among submarine saboteurs, even the best units in the world, such as Soviet / Russian fleets or naval sabotage units of the command of the SSO Armed Forces Command, or, say, British and American colleagues, in general, there are no suicides - nobody will mine ships on the move at sea. Despite all the technical equipment like special purpose submarines, including nuclear, mini-submarines, "wet" and "dry" PSD (underwater means of movement) and personal carriers, it is extremely dangerous. You can get under the screws, and no technique can not help.

Attack on tankers. Will the current incident be a “new Tonkin”?

Domestic object mine BPM



Patriotic Object Mine UPM



British mine Limpet Mk1 (or Rigid Limpet). Despite the fact that it was created during the Second World War, it is still in service with the British Navy and in several other countries, although there have been more modern analogues for a long time


A new attack, given that it did not occur near the port, although not in the open sea, but in the strait, first gave rise to rumors of a torpedo attack. But, again, no one saw or recorded either her or the exploding boats. Messages in the media about the alleged shells arrived also can be attributed to the "twitter war" with Iran, because what other artillery could fire tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, if not Iranian? Bottom or anchor mines are also delusional, of course. It will not be difficult for Iranians to cover the strait with mines even covertly, using a fleet of small and ultra-small submarines, but why do it right now? And why only two ships are blown up and why are these?

"Highly Likely"


The Americans immediately began to pedal the thesis of the mining of ships with the same sticking mines. And if with type weapons, most likely, it is necessary to agree, but with the fact that they assure that the first and second attacks are carried out by the Iranians, it is impossible. They even claim that they have a video of how Iranian sailors (!) Take an unloaded mine from the boat from the board of one of the tankers. I would very much like to take a look, but so far no videos have been published. In fact, it is not known what is there for a mine, and our mines of this type cannot be torn off without special equipment and from the board. Just pushing, say, mount or disassembly between the object and the mine will not work. More precisely, it can be thrust, but it is not possible to tear off a mine, mine of 7 kg weighs with a force of more than a hundred kilograms.

And how, even if the Iranians really shot a mine, does that prove their guilt? They saw a suspicious object, classified it, examined it, made a decision to remove it from the object (although it was risky), and removed it. On a mine, did the Americans see the personal autograph of Rahbar Iran from the side of their aircraft? A portrait of Putin, say, just in case, was not there? So far, all these American statements are on the same level of evidence as the legendary Case of Creeps with their highly likes. Even the expression is used.

It seems that the Americans are simply "sewing a case" to Iran. Yes, Iran, of course, stated that it was ready and could block oil traffic through the Strait of Hormuz. And he really can do it, and not just sabotage mines. Iran has enough funds for this - oceanic large submarines, small and ultra-small submarines, equipped with anti-ship missiles as well. A large number of missile boats with anti-ship missiles, numerous divisions of coastal anti-ship missiles (albeit subsonic, but there are many) and short-range ballistic anti-ship missiles. A large number of mining tools and mines themselves. Aviation, drone drone, but you never know. Yes, there are subversive submarine forces. Iranian reconnaissance divers were trained at the time by the Americans and British, had combat experience during the Iran-Iraq war, both on the rivers and at sea, including the experience of successful sabotage. They are very well equipped and prepared, and even at competitions during the army international games they proved it. So, last year they won the ARMY 2018 competition “Depth”, however, it took place in Iran, which made things a lot easier for them. They worked in Yemen, judging by many reports, and training local divers with the Hussites, and not only. Moreover, Iran has a constantly operating floating special base off the coast of Yemen, the Saviz special operations vessel, rebuilt from a 23 thousand-ton dry cargo ship, equipped with various types of boats, pressure chambers, underwater vehicles and reconnaissance vehicles. This "inpatient" from 2017 does not crawl out of the Red Sea.


The vessel of special operations of the Naval Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran "Saviz" in its usual anchor position in the Red Sea, opposite the Saudi port of Jizan



And here it is


But why, tell me, the Iranians to mine ships in such a way that an explosion took place in their own waters? Are Iranians like idiots? The Hussites, that is, the Iranian "proxies", are also not very similar. Those usually take responsibility for what they have done: it does not matter, the blow is the Iranian MRBD at the capital, the drone drone at the airport or, as recently, a long-range cruise missile produced in Iran. And then suddenly they are silent like fish. In addition, ships came from different ports and different countries, how could they be mined? It was possible that they were mined when they were standing in line at the entrance to the fairway in the strait. And certainly not the Iranians. Rather, one might think that the Americans themselves did it, or perhaps the British with their filing. Moreover, the Iranians could have mined the western production, and there is nothing to invent and get anything. He stuck the antediluvian "limpet" from the dusty corners of the warehouse - and then blame the Iranians. Conveniently! The popular version of the involvement of Israelis, most likely, should be rejected. The Israeli Navy does not have the opportunity to act in the Persian Gulf, and in the secret passage of the Israeli submarine with saboteurs through the entire Mediterranean and bypassing Africa (through Suez this passage would be fixed), one cannot seriously believe. These navies do not have experience of such trips, and there is not much else. But to act from some leased surface platforms in the still hostile environment of the Arab countries of the Gulf would also not work.

Old Tonkin incident and new tanker


But the Americans have a wealth of experience in such provocations, starting with the “self-exploding” of the armored cruiser “Maine” in the roads of Havana. Let us recall at least the "Tonkin incident", from which the Vietnam war began, which ended in a loss for the United States. Then, 2 August 1964, the already obsolete Maddox destroyer, which had invaded (the Americans themselves deny) the territorial waters of the DRV, was attacked by three North Vietnamese torpedo boats. In the course of the battle, in which the Krusader fighters of the Ticonderoga aircraft carrier participated, the destroyer virtually sank one boat, evaded virtual torpedoes and left offshore. One episode was not enough, and 4 August, during the storm, already two destroyers, Maddox with its outdated equipment, often catching glitches, and more modern Turner Joy, saw the 10 attack of boats on the radar screen and heroically fought with ghosts, without drowning anyone. At the same time one of the ships did not see anything even on the screen, but still shot. However, this white-threaded episode was enough to make a decision about applying air strikes against the bases of the Navy's DRV boats and their oil storages, and then Congress’s "Tonkin resolution" was adopted, providing the regime of President Lyndon Johnson with legal grounds for a war in the region without war declarations of the DRV. How it ended is well known.

Here we also see that the first episode did not cause the desired reaction, and the second one followed it. Moreover, it was preceded by a fire on the Iranian oil platform the day before. Have the American “seals” from the Navy SEALs arranged for him too?

And yet, as it seems to the author, the current “Tonkin tanker incident,” at least for now, will not lead to war with Iran. The weights and possibilities of the DRV are too different (albeit with the USSR and the PRC behind their backs) and Iran, and the Americans are also not the same as before. Perhaps this is only Iran’s habitual defamation by any means, including with the aim of persuading Tehran to negotiate on its own terms. The familiar “racket diplomacy” from Trump. Or maybe Bolton? The grandfather has already failed and the work on the DPRK, and on Syria with Russia, and on China, and on Venezuela - is it now failing on Iran?
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  1. +3
    16 June 2019 05: 27
    The Americans worked clumsily, but who cares? No one will figure it out, the culprit has already been appointed ..
    1. +7
      16 June 2019 08: 01
      Quote: Comrade
      The Americans worked clumsily, but who cares?

      You might think the shaved ones with the "Newbie" worked better.
      the culprit has already been appointed ..

      Immediately after the zaluzhniks left the Nuclear Deal
    2. +4
      16 June 2019 08: 40
      Quote: Comrade
      The Americans worked clumsily, but who cares? No one will figure it out, the culprit has already been appointed ..

      Absolutely agree! Fussing with MN-17 confirms this. And I don’t want to talk about blunders 9/11 - the circus is still the same when the presenter speaks about the collapsed building live, but it still stands laughing
      Such, are they, panimash, a procession of democracy on the planet lol hi
  2. +3
    16 June 2019 05: 28
    And in the film, something is removed from the ship in full load, at the waterline. And Altair was not completely loaded, a couple of meters, and maybe more sticks out of the water. If only to Courage, although you never know how these boats go and moor to steamboats for any business. At the Yankees, the managers steered already in intelligence, bullshit they pulled with p-zero force.
    1. 0
      16 June 2019 14: 59
      Similarly, the Americans are working with the so-called "Kokura Courageous", from there the crew was taken over, they control its towing. "Front Altair" was apparently the first to be occupied by the Iranians.
  3. +3
    16 June 2019 06: 00
    The actions of Americans are not surprising, the reason is the habit of meanness.
    It is naive to think that the mentality of the American (even white) is similar to the Europeans.
    It should be taken into account that the descendants of emigrants (originally Protestants who escaped from Europe) created the country of the American states, and this is the fundamental difference from the European mentality!
    The whole history of the United States is a series of cavities and deceit, Indians, white slaves, civil war in the states themselves (slave owners of the north under the guise of slogans for the release of blacks solved the issue of economic robbery of the South)
    It was during his civil war that the recipes of military operations, information isolation, endowing the enemy with the features of hellish evil, destruction of the enemy’s infrastructure and, of course, deception and provocation were tested.
    So nothing is new in their actions
    1. +7
      16 June 2019 07: 36
      Quote: saigon
      It should be taken into account that the descendants of emigrants (originally Protestants who escaped from Europe) created the country of the American states, and this is the fundamental difference from the European mentality!

      Come on! Initially, England sent bandits and thieves there, the Protestants only later joined. France also poisoned the "disadvantaged elements" there. No, there were romantics, the discoverers of "new, free lands", but there was such a tiny amount .... So the "founders" are bandits and robbers. This is how they operate to this day.
      1. +2
        16 June 2019 08: 06
        Quote: Egoza
        the "founders" are bandits and robbers. This is how they operate to this day.

        What can I say, they are genetically programmed to muck.
    2. -22
      16 June 2019 08: 00
      And during the Civil War in Russia there were many times more vileness, crimes and victims, including the use of chemical weapons to suppress the Tambov uprising, whose cow would have mooed!

      Well, this time the Iranians came out almost dry from the water, the next time the tankers will probably be escorting warships and you just won’t do such a diversion, we are waiting for new adventures and further developments.
      1. +3
        16 June 2019 08: 32
        Turner 1 - Do you have evidence of the guilt of the Iranians, or would you just shake the air for nothing? ??
        1. -12
          16 June 2019 08: 47
          Do you have evidence of US guilt, which everyone here blames amicably and loudly, but why did you only address me with a similar question?

          or would you just shake the air for nothing? ??
          1. +6
            16 June 2019 08: 52
            Turner 1, before the appearance of the American squadron, and before the American military and officials said that Iran could begin the blockade of the strait by blowing up transport ships, everything was relatively calm in the region! And what is it like to be a devil’s advocate, standing up for the United States, who set fire to the half of the world for their selfish interests? ???
            1. +1
              16 June 2019 09: 10
              Quote: Thrifty
              standing up for the United States, which set fire to the half of the world to please their selfish interests? ???

            2. -14
              16 June 2019 09: 50
              Well, the first one a year ago, on July 13, 2018, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani expressed his threats "Either everyone will export, or none"

              A month before the last sabotage, May 12, and before the American squadron in the Persian Gulf off the coast of the UAE, four other tankers were shot down with similar explosions.


              Fire on the attacked oil tanker in the Persian Gulf.
              In early June, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Norwegian authorities conducting a joint investigation reported to the UN Security Council that tankers had been blown up by sabotage magnetic mines that “stick” to the steel hull below, above, or on the waterline. The saboteurs who set mines disappeared on speedboats, obviously heading north, toward the Iranian coast of the Persian Gulf. The holes in the tankers, which were blown up on May 12, were not too big - the task was not to sink, but to make a rustle.


              Handwriting and methods with boats are just Iranian and close to their bases!

              Well, the world revolution with ignition and devastation was mainly facilitated by the former USSR and unsuccessfully, since everyone who he fed and supplied free of charge to his population was run away from him, including the entire social camp!
              Just the satellites and allies of the United States, unlike the deceased USSR, live and prosper!
              1. +4
                16 June 2019 10: 21
                Quote: Turner1
                "Either everyone will export, or none"

                And what is this ??
                Handwriting and methods with boats is just Iranian

                Gulf of Tonkin recall?
                Yes, and close to their bases!

                Is it far from Israeli?
                And to the tin trough "accidentally" there nearby hanging out far away?
                And Iran looks like a nonsense who is nagging near his own threshold :?
                1. -11
                  16 June 2019 10: 32
                  "Either everyone will export, or none"

                  And what is this ??

                  What a direct threat, and even from the lips of the president of the country and the supreme commander in chief!

                  Is it far from Israeli?

                  Very far away, especially for speedboats that
                  Iranian and plus it is 20 miles from the Iranian naval base, not Israeli!

                  And Iran looks like a nonsense who is nagging near his own threshold :?

                  Does the Iranian president look like a halfwit with his warlike statement?
                  "Either everyone will export, or none"
                  1. +5
                    16 June 2019 10: 48
                    Quote: Turner1
                    What a direct threat, and even from the lips of the president of the country and the supreme commander in chief!

                    Does he threaten to destroy tankers?
                    Look at the map. The spill is easier to close than burning oil near the house to have

                    Very far, Especially for speedboats,

                    belay
                    Does Israel have only rowboats? belay
                    with his warlike statement?

                    Gle militancy ????
                    Yes, trump in his facebook every day more than once even more pronounced !!!
                    it was Trump who withdrew from the "Nuclear Deal" but blamed Iran for it.
                    Even the Europeans did not believe him and did not exit the deal.
                    And what right does Trump have to block the export of Iranian oil ????
                    1. -14
                      16 June 2019 11: 40
                      And the United States blocked only the export of Iranian oil to the United States, and also imposed sanctions against countries and companies that will trade and do business with Iran, so other countries and companies do not want to sacrifice revenue in the largest market in the world for the United States for trade with Iran, therefore, Iran cannot export its oil to these countries. The United States is a sovereign state and can impose sanctions at its discretion, by the way, like Russia with respect to other countries that it does not like.
                      1. -9
                        16 June 2019 11: 55
                        Does Israel have only rowboats? belay
                        with his warlike statement?

                        Well, only Iran all the time declares its intention to destroy Israel, and not vice versa, and it has no common borders with Israel and there have never been disputed territorial conflicts.
                      2. +3
                        16 June 2019 12: 03
                        Quote: Turner1
                        The United States blocked only Iranian oil exports to the United States, and also imposed sanctions against countries and companies that will trade and do business with Iran,

                        Once again I ask WHAT THEY HAD THIS RIGHT ???
                        Especially against other countries and companies ??
                        [Quote] United States sovereign state [/ Quote]
                        The state is a criminal !!!

                        By the way, like Russia in relation to other countries that are objectionable to him.

                        belay Well, against whom did Russia FIRST impose sanctions ??
                      3. -14
                        16 June 2019 12: 35
                        Well, against whom did Russia FIRST impose sanctions ??


                        Against Ukraine and its companies.

                        Once again I ask WHAT THEY HAD THIS RIGHT ???
                        Especially against other countries and companies ??


                        On their territory, they have every right to do anything with the consent of the US Congress and their constitution, if they consider it necessary!
                        Like any country in the world, but not everyone has such a rich market as theirs, and therefore such a deplorable result for Iran.
                      4. +8
                        16 June 2019 12: 57
                        Quote: Turner1
                        Against Ukraine and its companies.

                        Insolence in the style of tin curators.
                        This is URKAYA FIRST imposed sanctions at the direction of the curators. That urkaina ripped
                        ALL contracts
                        March 6, 2014 canceled the annual exercises of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy and the Naval Forces of Ukraine “Fairway of the World 2014” [329].
                        On March 11, she stopped broadcasting TV channels and TV shows: Vesti, Russia 24, Channel One. World Wide Web ”,“ RTR Planet ”and“ NTV Mir ”on its territory [330].
                        March 29 froze the supply of weapons and military equipment to Russia [331].
                        April 7 limited the length of stay for Russian citizens to 90 days [332].
                        On April 11, she joined the individual EU sanctions imposed on March 17 and 21 against 33 Russian citizens and pro-Russian Crimean politicians [143], and also banned more than 100 officials - Russian citizens who supported the annexation of Crimea to the Russian Federation, from entering their territory [333] .
                        April 17 significantly strengthened border control arriving from Russia and the Crimea: [334] [335]
                        Restricted entry for male citizens of the Russian Federation aged 16 to 60 years, who travel alone, with the exception of travel to relatives, to a funeral, according to the certified original invitations of legal entities and individuals, or with the permission of the State Border Service itself.

                        This is the beginning. And now Russia
                        On March 27, the State Council of the Republic of Crimea published on the official website a list of persons whose stay in the Republic of Crimea is considered undesirable. The list includes 320 people, including leading Ukrainian politicians, deputies of the Verkhovna Rada. On April 1, 10 names were added to this list, including ex-Prime Minister of Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko and leader of the Right Sector Dmitry Yarosh.

                        On August 13, Russia extended the food embargo imposed as a response to sanctions to Albania, Montenegro, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Ukraine, and for the latter with a delay, the ban on the import of its products will come into force only if Kiev applies the economic part of the association agreement with the European Union.

                        I can continue.
                        By the way, how did you even get here? After all, you were banned from visiting Russian sites belay
                        On its territory they have every right to do anything with the consent of the US Congress and their constitution,

                        And now I quote you
                        and also imposed sanctions against countries and companies who will trade with Iran

                        Is this also the territory of the hostages?
                      5. -12
                        16 June 2019 14: 09
                        and also imposed sanctions against countries and companies that will trade with Iran

                        Is this also the territory of the hostages?


                        Do you feel bad reading comprehension?
                        Companies and countries trading with Iran will not be able to trade in the United States, they thought and concluded that it is better to trade in the US than with Iran, in my opinion even a child understands that it’s strange that it doesn’t reach you!

                        You asked who Russia imposed sanctions on, I answered Ukraine
                        and who was the first or second so the question was not? But the fact of sanctions from Russia is present.
                      6. -1
                        18 June 2019 12: 09
                        Quote: Turner1
                        Companies and countries trading with Iran will not be able to trade in the United States, they thought and concluded that it is better to trade in the US than with Iran, in my opinion even a child understands that it’s strange that it doesn’t reach you!

                        China, India and Turkey both bought oil and gas from Iran and so they buy. Japan and the Republic of Kazakhstan in my opinion, too. If Iran has traded hydrocarbons and traded, then it makes no sense to attack tankers. Moreover, attack the Japanese during a visit to Iran by the Japanese prime minister. The testimony of the Japanese team is completely different from the conclusions of the United States.
                      7. 0
                        18 June 2019 12: 21
                        All companies from these countries that continue to cooperate with Iran simply will not be able to trade in the states, this is their choice and their right.

                        New US sanctions strangle Iran's economy
                        Foreign banks are withdrawing from fear of losing access to dollars, read there in more detail:
                        https://www.vedomosti.ru/economics/articles/2018/06/26/773745-sanktsii-ssha-irana
                      8. -1
                        19 June 2019 09: 42
                        Quote: Turner1
                        All companies from these countries that continue to cooperate with Iran simply will not be able to trade in the states, this is their choice and their right.

                        We walk in a circle. It's not about companies. The thing is who attacked the tankers. You claim that the Iranian president threatened to sink ships if Iran was not allowed to trade oil. OK. But Iran is trading in oil. So why should he attack tankers? EU companies left Iran a few months ago when the United States withdrew from the deal and imposed sanctions.
              2. +4
                16 June 2019 10: 35
                Quote: Turner1
                former USSR

                Why aren’t you responsible then?
                Have you been to the USSR?
                And who led the USSR from 1953 to 1964 ???
                Just the satellites and allies of the United States, unlike the deceased USSR, live and prosper!

                So is Russia to blame that urkain lives worse than Smaly? belay
                1. -7
                  16 June 2019 12: 06
                  Why aren’t you responsible then?
                  Have you been to the USSR?


                  Well, the whole Soviet people, the army and the KGB have collapsed the union together, is it really very stupid to look for the reason only in me and ask a similar question?
                  Every nation lives as it deserves, if about Ukraine, but the fact remains the social. the camp died along with the USSR, and all the former socialist countries, including the union republics, do not feel great love for the former "big brother" and they have become much more allies of the United States and the European Union, and not vice versa!
                  1. +3
                    16 June 2019 13: 03
                    Quote: Turner1
                    Well, the whole Soviet people collapsed together,

                    I repeat the question
                    Why aren’t you responsible then?
                    Have you been to the USSR?

                    So Russia is to blame for everything ??? Are you so warm and fluffy? And kakl Khrushchev is no longer kakl?
                    What is it like?

                    Comment on 3 line above
                    1. -7
                      16 June 2019 14: 17
                      Comment on 3 line above


                      You have problems with reading comprehension, your "sheet" has nothing to do with what I wrote. The Soviet people themselves are to blame for the collapse of the USSR, not Russia, the army, the KGB, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, 19 million communists, who did not put a finger on their finger to save it!
                    2. Fat
                      -7
                      16 June 2019 14: 23
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      Comment on 3 line above

                      Frankly speaking - this table is unreliable just because of the 3-line. Data for 85 is dubious. Until 1986 the Ukrainian SSR was a "donor republic". I have seen other similar tables, where statistics were not attracted by the ears.
                      1. +1
                        16 June 2019 16: 47
                        Quote: Thick
                        The Ukrainian SSR was a "donor republic" until 1986

                        So bring your proofs
              3. -13
                16 June 2019 14: 03
                Quote: Turner1
                Well, the first one a year ago, on July 13, 2018, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani expressed his threats "Either everyone will export, or none"

                A month before the last sabotage, May 12, and before the American squadron in the Persian Gulf off the coast of the UAE, four other tankers were shot down with similar explosions.


                Fire on the attacked oil tanker in the Persian Gulf.
                In early June, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Norwegian authorities conducting a joint investigation reported to the UN Security Council that tankers had been blown up by sabotage magnetic mines that “stick” to the steel hull below, above, or on the waterline. The saboteurs who set mines disappeared on speedboats, obviously heading north, toward the Iranian coast of the Persian Gulf. The holes in the tankers, which were blown up on May 12, were not too big - the task was not to sink, but to make a rustle.


                Handwriting and methods with boats are just Iranian and close to their bases!

                Well, the world revolution with ignition and devastation was mainly facilitated by the former USSR and unsuccessfully, since everyone who he fed and supplied free of charge to his population was run away from him, including the entire social camp!
                Just the satellites and allies of the United States, unlike the deceased USSR, live and prosper!

                Yes, here they ignore any evidence, videos, witnesses, satellite images ... the main thing is to amer the bastards on amers, and otmazyvat Iranian favorite terrorists. The contingent of specially selected order-bearing laughing
                1. -1
                  18 June 2019 12: 12
                  Quote: Memfis
                  witnesses, satellite images ...

                  What is this evidence of satellite imagery? And what kind of testimony of witnesses. The Japanese, for example, say different things. The video is also dubious.
        2. +4
          16 June 2019 08: 54
          Quote: Thrifty
          or would you just shake the air for nothing? ??

          He is not tormenting Claudia for that. For a bun with butter
          1. -7
            16 June 2019 10: 13
            And you probably for the fat shmat?
            1. +5
              16 June 2019 10: 36
              Quote: Turner1
              And you probably for the fat shmat?

              Do I look like a bonfire troll? belay
              1. -6
                16 June 2019 12: 08
                Well, judging by the issues and blunders issued, they are very similar!
                1. +5
                  16 June 2019 13: 06
                  Quote: Turner1
                  Well, judging by the issues and blunders issued, they are very similar!

                  RZHUNEMAGU laughing
                  This is not you on the Maidan?
                  Because you blurt out. Not just one thought. Stamps written by the SBU and the State Department

                  1. -10
                    16 June 2019 14: 24
                    Not just one thought. Stamps written by the SBU and the State Department


                    The most primitive and stupid cliches are just from under your claudia and exactly similar Olga Trolls with a blazing gaze, and I have facts and concrete figures supported by excerpts from Russian news sites in my words
      2. +7
        16 June 2019 08: 54
        Quote: Turner1
        next time tankers will probably accompany warships

        You better tell me why, as soon as there is a provocation, an American ship "accidentally" turns out to be there and "accidentally" removes the sabotage on video.
        I can still remind YOU of the recent incident with the alleged "provocation" of the collision.
        Why did our people, during the provocation, of which we were accused, calmly sunbathe on the deck, but the "terpily" stood ready with video cameras?
        1. -9
          16 June 2019 10: 12
          Now only grandfathers and grandmothers under 100 years old do not take off, since they do not use mobile phones, and everyone else takes off everything that they think is cool and interesting, here the Americans took off the naked Russian sailors, when such a case comes up.
          1. +4
            16 June 2019 10: 28
            Quote: Turner1
            since they don’t use mobile phones, and everyone else takes off everything that they think is cool and interesting,

            RJUNIMAGU laughing
            They all stood swimming with mobile phones laughing
            And the "turntable" there again "accidentally" removed? laughing
            1. +5
              16 June 2019 11: 23
              Not cell phones. There in the video flashes a very weighty professional equipment. At least long-focuser Canon for sure. We were preparing to shoot, which is already there.
              1. -10
                16 June 2019 12: 39
                Not cell phones. There in the video flashes a very weighty professional equipment. At least long-focuser Canon for sure. We were preparing to shoot, which is already there.

                The USA is a rich country, with a large ship and rich professional equipment, they have the most expensive aircraft and the largest fleet, no wonder.
                1. +4
                  16 June 2019 13: 07
                  Quote: Turner1
                  The USA is a rich country, a large ship and a wealth of professional equipment,

                  The question is not in the equipment, the question is why it appeared there so "on time"
            2. -7
              16 June 2019 12: 10
              And what are the frames shown lasting 24 hours and the problem is to remove the mobile phone and take it off?
              1. +3
                16 June 2019 13: 08
                Quote: Turner1
                And that the frames shown last 24 hours

                It is shown that everyone is already ready and waiting
                problem take out the mobile phone and take off?

                And take the camera out of your pocket too? laughing
      3. -11
        16 June 2019 13: 19
        Especially for the shy minusers who do not love the truth:
        Losses in the Civil War in Russia

        Civil War Losses in USA

        in 10 times at least in Russia there were more victims!
        1. +4
          16 June 2019 14: 32
          Quote: Turner1
          in 10 times at least in Russia there were more victims!

          So there is a difference of almost a century. fool
          You still compare the medieval wars laughing
          Or tribal wars in Africa laughing
          You won a civil war in the Donbass, so what? Where are the statistics
          1. -6
            16 June 2019 15: 12
            You still compare Medieval wars laughing
            Or tribal wars in Africa laughing
            You won a civil war in the Donbass, so what? Where are the statistics


            So this is your party and troll comrade "saigon" trolling about the crimes and victims of the civil war in the United States, so I answered him Hu is hu!

            If we compare the civil war in Chechnya with the destruction and casualties with Donbas, then obviously not in favor of Donbass, Grozny looked like Dresden after the Allied raid!

            And bombs hit mainly the Russian-speaking population!
        2. Fat
          +1
          16 June 2019 15: 17
          Quote: Turner1
          in 10 times at least in Russia there were more victims!

          Your statistics are far-fetched! About 4% of the population were killed and lost in the United States during the civil war (according to the US census of 1860). Killed, died of injuries, and died as a result of terror in Russia, 4.5 million people, and this is (according to the Central Administration of the Ministry of Internal Affairs on the population of the Republic of Ingushetia in 1914 ) approximately 2.7% of the population.
          1. -5
            16 June 2019 19: 17
            This is your false statistics, 1020222 people died and went missing in the USA with a population in 1860 of 31443321 people, about 3.24%
            According to the Office of the Chief Medical Inspector of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, based on statistics on births and deaths, without Russia, there was no civil war there and about 10.5% are obtained, and also almost 166 times more. and you will urgently return to the fifth grade to learn interest!
            1. Fat
              +1
              16 June 2019 19: 42
              Quote: Turner1
              and you will urgently return to the fifth grade to learn interest!

              With Pleasure, I will teach you not to put together the losses from illness and hunger together with direct losses as a result of the fighting, especially since there are no data on the United States in these positions.
              1. -4
                16 June 2019 20: 55
                With Pleasure, I will teach you not to put together the losses from illness and hunger together with direct losses as a result of the fighting, especially since there are no data on the United States in these positions.

                I gave exactly the data on the dead and missing, that in the USA and in Russia, see my previous tables, so do not la-la!
        3. 0
          17 June 2019 01: 13
          Such tablets in exel can be sculpted in dozens. Link to the researchers please. And if my sclerosis cheats on me, the numbers from the Civil War plate are overestimated somewhere by an order of magnitude. And the ratio of victims of terror, according to the same Americans, is the opposite.
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          2. -1
            18 June 2019 12: 27
            Such tablets in exel can be sculpted in dozens

            Have you been banned in google? Do you write civil wars in Russia and the United States and check your sclerosis and at the same time all the numbers?
            1. +1
              19 June 2019 01: 05
              Tokar1 Do you have three classes of a parish school? Not a single coursework? Links should be given by those who provide information. You never know what and where I will find.
              By the way, not you, but you. We didn’t go over to you
        4. 0
          22 June 2019 10: 57
          Quote: Turner1
          in 10 times at least in Russia there were more victims!

          "Nevertheless, the 8th census is the only source of information about the population of the United States by 1860. The entire population of the United States was, according to the 8th census, 31 people. But it does not include 443 Indians - members of tribes , the number of which is given in a special table. Thus, the true population of the United States is expressed by the figure 31 738 721 "

          Number of inhabitants Share in the total population, % Growth over 10 years, %
          "Free" states and territories 19 203 008
          Slave states 12 240 000

          and now Russia in its civilian
          "According to the adjusted calculations of the Office of the Chief Medical Inspector of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the population of Russia (excluding Finland) in the middle of the year was: 1909 - 156,0 million, 1910 - 158,3 million, 1911 - 160,8 million, 1912 - 164,0 million, 1913 - 166,7 million. "
          and observe an interesting picture
          in the American data there is no information from those who died from starvation and epidemics (and there were a lot of them) - removing them and leaving only the military component - we get comparable per capita loss figures
      4. +2
        16 June 2019 17: 22
        Quote: Turner1
        And during the Civil War in Russia, there were many times more villains, crimes and victims

        Why do you think so?
        Quote: Turner1
        including the use of chemical weapons to suppress the Tambov rebellion, whose cow would moo!

        AND? All the largest cases of the use of chemical weapons were committed by the countries of Western Europe and the USA. Although the Japanese were actively used. But in general, no one can compare with the history of war crimes in England. Even close
        Quote: Turner1
        Well this time, the Iranians came out almost dry from the water

        You believe in it - your right. I don’t see the point in such an attack, especially during the visit of Abe. But the benefits of Israel can be traced ...
        1. -4
          16 June 2019 19: 46
          AND? All the largest cases of the use of chemical weapons were committed by the countries of Western Europe and the USA. Although the Japanese were actively used. But in general, no one can compare with the history of war crimes in England. Even close
          о

          You also have problems in understanding and comparison: we talked about civil wars, and not wars between countries and the first to use real chemical weapons in the war, and not against the rebellious Tambov peasants, was the German army:

          In April 1915, the Germans first used toxic substances as weapons of mass destruction. The attack near Iprom was a war crime

          The Hague Convention of 1907 prohibited the use of poison and poisonous weapons for military purposes.

          By the way, in the Iran-Iraq war, your Arab friends (1980-1988; both sides) used chemical weapons!

          You believe in it - your right. I don’t see the point in such an attack, especially during the visit of Abe. But the benefits of Israel can be traced ...

          Well, fortunately or unfortunately, you are not the president of Iran, so you don’t see and hear a lot of things, but he is the president of Iran, Hassan Rouhani, who was the first one a year ago on July 13 2018 threatened "Either everyone will export, or no one"
          And judging by the latest results, it acts according to plan

          Yes, Israel benefits from economic sanctions against Iran, because all the time it openly sponsors everyone and Hamas and Hizbalah and openly calls for the destruction of Israel,
          but Israel can’t do anything like that physically and technically!
          the benefit is also accidental, such as winning the lottery, or the anti-Hitler coalition against fascist Germany was beneficial to the Jews, but they did not create it!
          but Russia also benefits from any mess in the Middle East - oil and gas prices are rising immediately!
          1. 0
            17 June 2019 04: 01
            Quote: Turner1
            You also have problems understanding and comparing:

            I can blame you for the same. You deliberately ignore the historical period and are clearly trying to avoid comparisons of GV in Russia with what was happening in the world in those days.
            Around the same time, Winston Churchill, who served as Minister of Colonial Affairs, wrote: “I do not understand this scrupulousness in connection with the use of gas. I strongly advocate the use of poison gas against uncivilized tribes. ”
            I want to remind you that "Tambov peasants" (consisting of 14 infantry, 5 cavalry regiments and 1 separate brigade with 25 machine guns and 5 guns) with a total strength of up to 50 thousand people. destroyed not only food detachments but also military garrisons, so they did not resemble "peaceful Protestants" in any way. The rebels defeated 60 state farms, took control of almost the entire Tambov province (only the cities remained in the hands of the Bolsheviks), paralyzed the movement along the Ryazan-Ural Railway, and successfully repulsed attempts by the Bolshevik troops to invade the territory of the uprising, inflicting heavy losses on them.
            White and English interventionists also did not hesitate to use chemical weapons (https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1186910.html)
            Compare the scope of application with what Tukhachevsky used?
          2. 0
            17 June 2019 05: 45
            Quote: Turner1
            The Hague Convention of 1907 prohibited the use of poison and poisonous weapons for military purposes.

            And it didn’t interfere to the english in 1919 it was applied in Russia. What happened in the English colonies ...
            Quote: Turner1
            2018 threatened "Either everyone will export, or no one"

            I’m not going to justify Iran, but how many people in the world have heard threats of direct military aggression from the United States? How many of these threats are implemented? Not a single tyrant or terrorist organization (and all of them combined) has destroyed as many civilians after WWII as the US Army and its creature
            Quote: Turner1
            Yes, Israel benefits from economic sanctions against Iran, because it always openly sponsors everyone and Hamas and Hizbalah and openly calls for the destruction of Israel

            Your striped friends sponsor terrorism on an incomparable scale with Iran. Something I do not see resentment about this.
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              1. -1
                17 June 2019 08: 12
                And this did not stop the British in 1919 from using it on the territory of Russia. What happened in the English colonies ..
                .

                In the English colonies chemical weapons were not used, an unsuccessful example.

                Well, the Red Army was the first to use chemical weapons
                Civil war in Russia: Yaroslavl uprising (1918; Red Army against whites)

                Well, the British were white allies, applied in response too
                Civil War in Russia: Fights in the Crimea, (1919; White Army and English interventionists against the Red Army)
                1. +1
                  17 June 2019 10: 22
                  Quote: Turner1
                  In the English colonies chemical weapons were not used, an unsuccessful example.

                  In 1919 in the same Afghanistan
                  In May 1919, Churchill ordered British forces to use chemical weapons during the campaign to conquer Afghanistan. When the Indian Office objected to politics, Churchill replied: “The objections of the Indian Office to use gas against the natives are unfounded. Gas is a more merciful weapon than an explosive bomb, and forces the enemy to make a decision with less loss of life than any other military means. The moral effect is also very great. There can be no conceivable reason why it should not be resorted to. ”
                  Quote: Turner1
                  Well, the Red Army was the first to use chemical weapons

                  How does this affect the use of chemical weapons by the British? There is no evidence of the use of chemical weapons by the Red Army against the British, but there are British against the Red Army
                  Quote: Turner1
                  Civil war in Russia: Yaroslavl uprising (1918; Red Army against whites)

                  Again a lie. Chemical weapons were not used then. They wanted, but did not grow together. Just out of stock
                  1. -1
                    17 June 2019 10: 32
                    I gave the data on the use of chemical weapons from Wikipedia, but your data and lies are from your fantasies and dreams.

                    Chemical weapons
                    Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B5

                    Chemical warfare wars and conflicts
                    Crimean War (1853-1856; English squadron in Odessa [4] [non-authoritative source?])
                    World War I (1914-1918; all sides)

                    German mortar, firing chemical charges. 1916


                    Civil war in Russia: Yaroslavl uprising (1918; Red Army against whites)


                    Civil war in Russia: Foreign military intervention in the north of Russia (1918-1919; English interventionists against the Red Army) [5]
                    Civil War in Russia: Fights in Crimea, (1919; White Army and English interventionists against the Red Army) [5]
                    The Civil War in Russia: the Oryol-Kromsk Battle, (1919; White Army against the Red Army) [5]
                    The Civil War in Russia: The assault on the aul of Gimry (Dagestan), (1920; Red Army) [5]
                    Civil War in Russia: Tambov Uprising (1920-1921; Red Army against the rebels, according to order 0016 of June 12) [6]
                    Tatarbunar rebellion (September 15-18, 1924; Romanian army against the rebels).
                    The Reef War (1920-1926; Spain, France)
                    The Second Italo-Ethiopian War (1935-1936; Italy)
                    The Second Sino-Japanese War (1937-1945; Japan)
                    Soviet-Japanese border conflict at Lake Hassan (1938; USSR [7])
                    The Great Patriotic War (1941-1945; Germany, Adzhimushkaysky quarries) [8]
                    The war in Vietnam (1957-1975; both sides [9])
                    Civil War in North Yemen (1962-1970; Egypt)
                    Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988; both sides)
                    Iraqi-Kurdish conflict (Iraqi government forces during Operation Anfal)
                    Iraq war (2003—2010; rebels [10] [11])
                    The Second Chechen War (during the assault on Grozny on December 29, 1999, militants blew up chlorine and ammonia tanks)
                    The civil war in Syria (since 2011; both government forces and the armed opposition have repeatedly accused each other of using chemical weapons. The most famous cases are the incident in Khan al-Asal in Russian in March 2013 and chemical attacks in Gute in August of that year).
                    1. 0
                      17 June 2019 10: 43
                      Quote: Turner1
                      Civil war in Russia: Yaroslavl uprising (1918; Red Army against whites)

                      And no evidence of its use except a request for shells yes угрозы applications laughing Nowhere in any document is the use of chemical weapons in this rebellion described by any party.
                      PS: And why post such a footcloth? There are two lines useful yes link
              2. 0
                17 June 2019 09: 52
                Quote: Turner1
                but what the United States sponsors only from your lips and many of the same "specialists and historians" on

                This is a lie. The sponsorship of the same Taliban during the Afghan war was never denied and has been described repeatedly by many sources in. including American. Full of information
                1. -1
                  17 June 2019 10: 48
                  The sponsorship of the same Taliban during the Afghan war was never denied and has been described repeatedly by many sources in. including American.


                  Taliban, Taliban (Pashto طالبان - students studying madrasahs) - Islamic movement that originated in Afghanistan among Pashtuns in 1994, ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001 (Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan) and the Waziristan region in northern Pakistan (Islamic State Waziristan ") since 2004. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan was diplomatically recognized by three states: the United Arab Emirates, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.


                  Your next deceitful and unfounded comment:
                  The Taliban appeared in 1994 when the war between the USSR and the Mujahideen ended long ago in 1989, and where is the USA as their sponsor? Your next lie!
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                    1. -3
                      17 June 2019 10: 53
                      Their sponsor was Saudi and Pakistan, and Osama just the states and finished.
      5. +3
        16 June 2019 19: 24
        Excuse me, uncle, but you did not remember the use of chemical weapons in the North?
        Or does this not fit into your concept?
    3. -2
      17 June 2019 07: 28
      I have just everything with understanding.
      Well, first of all, we wrote about the Civil War, about meanness and crimes, and they were indisputably on both sides, but here is a certain author, Saigon (Victor)
      issued on the mountain:
      The whole history of the United States is a series of meanness and deceit, Indians, white slaves, civil war in the states themselves (slave owners of the north under the guise of slogans for the release of blacks solved the issue of economic robbery of the South)


      So, I emphasize once again: there were much more crimes and barbarism in the civil war in Russia, as well as the number of victims of 10.5 million dead, including the use of chemical weapons on both sides, which was prohibited by the Hague Convention.
  4. -2
    16 June 2019 06: 04
    I wonder why detailed characteristics of Soviet / Russian magnetic mines are given. What would be easier for mattresses to translate arrows?
    1. +4
      16 June 2019 07: 14
      Quote: Amateur
      I wonder why detailed characteristics of Soviet / Russian magnetic mines are given. What would be easier for mattresses to translate arrows?

      Do you think that before this publication, the Americans did not know these characteristics?
      1. 0
        16 June 2019 08: 53
        To make it easier for mattresses to translate arrows
    2. +2
      16 June 2019 08: 04
      Quote: Amateur
      I wonder why detailed characteristics of Soviet / Russian magnetic mines are given.

      Aha. And the stamp "Top Secret" was removed
      Even on the site "spies and saboteurs" were wound up.
  5. +1
    16 June 2019 06: 24
    I think this bombing was directed not only against Iran, because an oil ship damaged by Taiwan was damaged.
    1. +2
      16 June 2019 08: 06
      Quote: nikvic46
      After all, a ship with oil was damaged, the customer of which was Taiwan.

      Yes, the tanker just ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time
      In its place could be any other.
  6. +3
    16 June 2019 06: 34
    Iran summons British Ambassador to Tehran after London accuses Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps of assaulting oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman
    "After the statements of the British Foreign Secretary, which were not true, made after the US statements, in which our country was accused of involvement in the events with two tankers in the Gulf of Oman, a strong protest was expressed to the British Ambassador," the Iranian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
    Britain is the only country that has supported US allegations.
  7. +1
    16 June 2019 06: 36
    A familiar culprit noted for such dirty tricks in the 80s of the last century in Nicaragua and Angola and the 10th year in South Korea. The caricature fully reflects what is happening.
    1. +2
      16 June 2019 08: 07
      Quote: Strashila
      noted by such dirty tricks in the 80s of the last century in Nicaragua and Angola and the 10th year in South Korea.

      You forgot to mention Tonkin Bay
  8. 0
    16 June 2019 07: 13
    It is annoying and outraged that people are being held for idiots, feeding them such utter nonsense; apparently, the US is degrading at an accelerated pace.
  9. +4
    16 June 2019 07: 25
    The tanker incident is needed by the United States in order to gather a coalition, let's punish Iran. They won't pull war on their own, they won't pull it off, it's expensive .. that's what they are trying to gather the "boys" ... Only the "boys" are not the same ... "Boys" with Iraq threw, and so every participant wanted to get a well, but no ... Uncle Sam, I said, I didn't sign you for that ...
    1. -4
      16 June 2019 08: 08
      You write: Independently war, they will not pull, expensive .. that's what they are trying to collect "boys" .... For them, it's a penny. Why write fables?
      1. +3
        16 June 2019 10: 18
        It was a penny with Iraq ... With Iran alone, it will cost a pretty penny ...
    2. +1
      16 June 2019 08: 09
      Quote: parusnik
      US needs tanker incident to gather coalition

      There is also the Europeans who do not leave the "Nuclear Deal" to discredit
  10. +9
    16 June 2019 07: 30
    I had to take part in hostilities in Angola. There, our merchant ships were also blown up in a similar way, until the proper measures were taken. The mines were the USA. There is my article on this topic in "VO" "Secret War and a Special Assignment", read it, if you have time, then tell me your opinion ..
  11. +2
    16 June 2019 08: 31
    They do not even consider it necessary to "arrange themselves" properly ... Striped-eared go vabank. The world must come to terms with their hegemony ... And calmly swallow any lie ...
  12. -1
    16 June 2019 08: 53
    How tired of these downed Boeing, poisoning, bombings, etc. Provocations, provocations flow from overseas and their curators in one small country ..
    Maybe Russia should really fight specifically? How much can you justify and defy provocations (straight 41st before the start of the Second World War)
  13. 0
    16 June 2019 10: 01
    True a year ago, but I think it’s quite relevant:
    "Iranian President Hassan Rouhani made it clear that if Iranian oil is not exported through the Persian Gulf, other countries in the Middle East will not be able to do this either," Advisor to Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Akbar Velayati said Friday at the Valdai Discussion Club. ...
    https://ria.ru/20180713/1524536880.html
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  15. 0
    16 June 2019 13: 52
    It’s useless to guess who did this - even Putin probably doesn’t know for sure. It can be either the United States - the Bailey incident, or Iran - a warning, or a third party - one god knows for what purpose
  16. 0
    16 June 2019 15: 08
    they were attacked in the Strait of Hormuz, and in the territorial waters of Iran,

    Still, it is more likely that the incident occurred immediately Beyond the border of Iran, where the trade route passes. Merchant ships do not enter the sea guides unnecessarily. And not in the Strait of Hormuz, but in the Gulf of Oman. This is not at all the same thing, especially from the point of view of the organization of shipping.
  17. 0
    16 June 2019 15: 31
    and they were evacuated by the Iranians (44 people, among the crew of one of the tankers 10 of our compatriots). True, then there were reports that the American destroyer Bainbridge was engaged in the rescue of one of the ships, Kokuka Courageous, perhaps the crew from this ship was not evacuated, was not fully evacuated, or returned due to the fact that the condition of the ship did not inspire concern.

    The following can be stated with the greatest confidence: the crew of the Front Altair was evacuated to the Hyundai Dubai, from where they transferred to the Iranian ship. The crew of the "Kokuka Courageous" was evacuated by the ship, which everyone calls a tug, although it is more of a "offshore platform", after which they moved to Bainbridge.
  18. 0
    16 June 2019 15: 37
    I'd love to take a look, but so far no videos have been published

    The video, of course, is published, it’s another matter that it’s very difficult to consider and be sure of what the US Armed Forces say when publishing it.
  19. +2
    17 June 2019 11: 49
    It is difficult to get from the drone to the bottom of the ship. Fragments of mattress production rockets discovered. Fenita la comedy. hi
  20. 0
    19 June 2019 06: 30
    The provocation in the style of James Clapper (who organized the September 11.09, disaster of the Korean and 2 Malaysian liners, began with the war with Vietnam) and other other crimes of the US national intelligence.

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"