The first batch of pistols "Boa" entered the army

Armed forces of Russia began to receive the latest Russian pistols "Boa" caliber 9-mm. According to RIA News General Director of the Central Scientific Research Institute of Precision Engineering (TsNIITochmash, part of Rostec) Albert Bakov, the first batch weapons already delivered to the military.

According to Bakov, the Russian pistol "Udav", developed at TsNIITochmash for the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, entered experimental troop operation for the troops, the first batch has already been sent to one of the units. The pistol in April of this year was admitted by the interdepartmental commission to mass production and received the letter "O1". "Boa" is recommended for adoption.

The self-loading pistol "Boa" is completely domestic development, in its design only Russian components are used. The gun uses a cartridge caliber 9x21 mm, it has developed specialized ammunition. The firing range of 50 meters, the capacity of the 18 magazine ammunition.

It is planned to release a pistol in three versions - general, special and civil.

As previously reported, the customer of the gun "Boa" is the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. It is assumed that if adopted for use, the pistol can be used both in combined arms and in special structures of the Armed Forces, replacing the Makarov pistol and, to some extent, the APS.

At the same time, the general director of TsNIITochmash Albert Bakov said that the gun "Boa" was not created to replace the "PM".

"Boa" and PM are completely different pistols designed to solve different problems. "PM" is a weapon of "peace" time, designed to serve in the dress or patrol the streets, and "Boa" is a combat pistol with powerful destructive characteristics

- he said.

The decision on putting the "Boa" pistol into service will be taken by the Ministry of Defense based on the results of trial operation.

Comments

[newcomer]

finally. Bon voyage, long service. it's time to end the epic with pistols.

[Serg koma]

Quote: newbie

it's time to end the epic with pistols.

It is NECESSARY TO DECIDE that it is NECESSARY

everything mixed up in the house of oblonsky horses people

19 September 2018
“Serial production (of the PL-15 pistol) will be in 2019, that’s absolutely accurate. All equipment is on the way, ”Alexander Gvozdik told reporters, noting that the gun will be produced in Izhevsk using new technologies. “The product will meet the consumer properties of the main customer both on the topic of military small arms and in the direction of civilian small arms,” emphasized IMZ managing director. https://topwar.ru/147181-pistolet-lebedeva-pl-15-v-shage-ot-serijnogo-proizvodstva.html

National Interest emphasizes that the best qualities of Russian and foreign pistols are combined in the PL-15. The main advantage is its automation using the inertia of the recoil of the bolt coupled to the barrel, as well as the double-trigger mechanism.
The publication believes that the new pistols will primarily be used in army special forces and will become a worthy replacement for Glock.

[newcomer]

it was possible to determine before the birth of Udawa. at least a few pistols were worthy of army service: Gyurza, Rook, Vector, Viking. This is apparently like an epic of machine guns, someone in a hurry, someone slows down the decision.

[ver_]

... saw, Shura, saw ... let the giver’s hand not become scanty ..

[YOUR]

Rook and Viking are one and the same. Viking aka MP-446 is a sports pistol created at the base of PYa "Grach". Gyurza and Vector are also practically the same SPS Udav, in principle, a continuation of the SPS theme (Serdyukov's self-loading pistol). I don’t think it will go into production, in the sense that it will replace all the PM, PMM, PYa pistols in service with the Armed Forces, etc. Replacing the shooter will probably be more expensive than creating and putting into service such a system as Avangad. Moreover, ammunition for PM has been accumulated for a couple of wars.

[newcomer]

I do not agree with you that the listed pistols are almost identical. but not about that. (The Viking was tested by the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there are no conclusions, apparently a refusal). certainly expensive, but it's time to start if you have a vision of the complete rearmament of an army pistol. PM it's time to leave on a well-deserved rest.

[YOUR]

The gun is necessary for specialists. Conventional v / sl practically do not use them. The machine solves everything.

[lis-ik]

Quote: YOUR

Gyurza and Vector are also almost the same SPS. The boa constrictor, in principle, is the continuation of the SPS theme (Serdyukov self-loading pistol).

For me personally, the most convenient and most effective was Vector, but there was one serious problem, it often wedged. Yarygin is rude, but quite accurate, it is very difficult to equip a clip, you need to have iron fingers, especially if you charge a lot of clips in a row for a short time. I haven’t shot from Boas yet, I must ask for a training ground.

[Galleon]

Quote: Serg Koma

everything mixed up in the house of oblonsky horses people

In the house of Oblonsky horses did not interfere. You have mixed Leo Tolstoy with Lermontov.
Why did you dig up a quote that

Quote: Serg Koma

new pistols will be primarily used in the army special forces and will be a worthy replacement for the Glock.

?
And quite already determined, enough. The news is not about promises, but about a settled and fulfilled business. Good news.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Galleon

In the house of Oblonsky horses did not interfere

It was in Borodino and Tolstoy that they didn’t get in the way,

Quote: Serg Koma

It is NECESSARY TO DECIDE that it is NECESSARY

and we all mixed up

Quote: Galleon

Why did you dig a quote

The quote "did not dig" is on the surface on news portals

Quote: Galleon

RIA Novosti09: 46
Quantum Leap: National Interest

Apparently, the article refers to the supply of the PL-15 to the world market, where it is likely (according to the author of the article) that Glock can replace it. Yes, and in the Russian market -

The group of companies "Promtehnologii" officially announced the start of sales of three models of semi-automatic sports pistols "Glock" (17, 34, 35) of the fourth generation, assembled and certified at the Moscow arms factory.Pistols certified as a sports weapon

PL-15 initially implies including civilian direction.

[NEXUS]

Quote: newbie

finally. Bon voyage, long service. it's time to end the epic with pistols.

For me, it would be better if the OTs-27 Berdysh was accepted. Stechkin's creation is not inferior to either the Berets or the Colts.

[Ruger-para]

What kind of ammunition?

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Now the military will carry out their test and by them we can already see the positive qualities of a pistol.

[vvvjak]

Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS

Now the military will carry out their test and by them we can already see the positive qualities of a pistol.

And they will still make a lot of changes during operation. As our truckers joke: "A truck becomes a working vehicle, when it visits Kazakhstan at least once, all unnecessary things fly off."

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

If there are significant shortcomings, they can indeed make changes.

[Lord of the Sith]

I think in Syria, too, was sent for a run-in.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Most likely in one of the units there.

[ssergey1978]

Some kind of angular, not beautiful. I think he will not replace PM.

[Piramidon]

Quote: ssergey1978

I think he will not replace PM

What is there to think? It is said -

General Director of TsNIITochmash Albert Bakov said that the Udav pistol was created not to replace "PM".

[timothy61]

Quote: ssergey1978

Some kind of angular, not beautiful. I think he will not replace PM.

A boa constrictor is not a substitute for PM, it is a completely different gun in its characteristics and the point is not in beauty.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: ssergey1978

Some kind of angular, not beautiful.

Oh, I'm all so angular ... awkward ....
Contradictory all ...
To such a militant aestheticism literacy would be a bit more.

[ssergey1978]

I think your angularity is of interest to young people here; write about your angularity on the profile site. I expressed an opinion about the gun.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: ssergey1978

expressed an opinion about the gun.

Very authoritative. Damn it, the now overwhelmed overthrow went ...

[ssergey1978]

How do you know about my authority. All your comments in this vein. I strongly suspect that you are an unemployed working profession or a loafer at all. Because it takes time to accumulate several thousand messages of the same type with zero information content.

[krillon]

With such sights, he himself jumps out of the holster? As in that joke "saw the fly"

[Mountain shooter]

Powerful cartridge. Tested in the Serdyukovsky "Vector" (Gyurze). Real combat! And reliability and "shot" - life will show ...

[Dart]

At the same time, the general director of TsNIITochmash Albert Bakov said that the gun "Boa" was not created to replace the "PM".
"Boa constrictor" and PM are completely different pistols designed to solve different problems. "PM" is a weapon of "peacetime", designed to serve in a dress or patrol the streets, and "Boa" is a combat pistol with powerful lethal characteristics.
Such nonsense, IMHO. It’s all the same to offer the musketeers, you have swords, but walk with them no way, only with toothpicks. Then regret that you only had the PM at the right time, and you didn’t solve the problem .... why should you lure it. A person will always prefer to have a tool at hand better and not worse, even in patrol, even in war.

[Horse, people and soul]

"PM" is a weapon of "peace" time, designed to carry out duty in the dress or patrol the streets

PM was done in the early 50s, immediately after the war, when the products were on the cards and there was simply not enough food so that any man could eat every day to the dump and accumulate extra pounds of weight. The average man in those years was less growth than today after generations of accelerators of the 60s, and weighed a quarter, or even a third less than today's paunch.

It was on such post-war "dystrophics" that the PM was quite a weapon, but today it is no longer.

Our overseas sworn friends, now, believe that .45 ASR bullets in its original whole-shell version are not enough to stop immediately and need to be fired at least twice, but in Russia, for some reason, they believe that one PM cartridge is enough .. Not enough. There are no miracles.

I have a place, with all due respect, in the award department and in the museum. But not in active use.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub

PM was done in the early 50s, immediately after the war, when the products were on the cards and there was simply not enough food so that any man could eat every day to the dump and accumulate extra pounds of weight. The average man in those years was less growth than today after generations of accelerators of the 60s, and weighed a quarter, or even a third less than today's paunch.

It was on such post-war "dystrophics" that the PM was quite a weapon, but today it is no longer.

you wrote utter nonsense, which says one thing - you are completely unfamiliar with the history of the emergence of PM.
It was originally made for senior command personnel.

plans for 1944 declared:
“Considering the general tendencies of the development of pistols and the above-mentioned shortcomings of the samples of this type of weapons in service with the Red Army, the GAU KA has set the following task for designers:
...
b) to develop a pistol for senior officers under a less powerful special cartridge

In the future, the task was concretized - it was necessary to develop a self-cocking pistol for generals and officers. And under the TT cartridge.
But then they replayed:

Develop a 9 mm cartridge for the pistol, providing a greater stopping effect than the 7,65 mm cartridge. Primary requirements:
1. 9 caliber mm.
2. Cartridge weight not more than 10
3. Bullet weight not more than 6
4. The length of the cartridge is not more than 25 mm

The PM was supposed to be an "officer /" pistol, and the army one was to become an APS. But it turned out the way it turned out - it was the PM that became the workhorse, and Stechkin remained a niche weapon

[Horse, people and soul]

It was originally made for senior command personnel.

Dear friend, weapons are not shared for status, but primarily for reliable destruction of the target.



It was this task that, according to the experience of the past war, was to replace the gun with a greater stopping effect than the TT.

Here on the post-war "dystrophics" PM and had a stopping effect, as well as .45 ACP from the Americans stopped stoned, but naked Moro addicts in the Philippines.

Be careful to throw words like "nonsense" at strangers.

[ssergey1978]

TK was not greater than OD, and not inferior in terms of OD to TT pistol. PM is even slightly inferior to the TT TT pistol. The effectiveness of the PM is sufficient, in addition it is a light and reliable gun.

[Horse, people and soul]

PM efficiency is sufficient

There is no general "sufficient" stopping action on a target without a description of the parameters of this target.

In the early 50s, according to medical statistics, men were both shorter and lighter than today and fewer were overweight.

Well, how to explain ... well, let's say the Mosin rifle may be enough for a moose, but not enough for a bison, rhino, hippo and elephant.

So with PM - the parameters of a typical goal have changed (height, weight, drugs, religious motivation) - the stopping effect has also changed. Today, the stopping effect of PM has remained at the level of the 50s. Well, for the fine North Koreans. For modern men under 180 and per 100 kilograms, especially armed armed jihadists on drugs, PM is clearly not enough.

Shoot all the same two times, even from .45 ACP.

[ssergey1978]

No need to fence a nonsense. In addition to the fact that people have become fat, he has become literate. A person dies from the destruction of the brain of the brain or spinal cord. In all other cases, even if the heart is generated, there is a chance to survive. But the more literate a person is, the greater fear is, and wounded soldiers usually die of fear. In the 2nd MV war, there were some cases when fighters in the basement of their greatcoats brought their guts to the doctor and survived. Because you did not see in this that something supernatural, you can imagine yourself an IT specialist carrying his intestines, but he will die from the sight of only blood.

[Horse, people and soul]

No need to fence a nonsense.

Be careful with these words.

The specifics of the destruction of pistol ammunition is such that it happens at a very short distance, when even a mortally wounded enemy is still able to shoot in response.

The fact that a soldier in his trench can bring guts to the infirmary is absolutely violet to the artilleryman who fired this particular shell, the fragment of which ... and so on.

We are talking about what kind of ammunition should be in order to instantly knock out an enemy who can be motivated in any way (personal hatred, revenge, resident fanaticism, etc.) and be on substances, which in total reduces the effectiveness of his destruction .

I do not want to write again about the history of .45 ACP, the U.S. Philippine war and the moro drug addicts Moro, on whom (then) 9 mm cartridges did not work (could not be stopped with a few hits) and the military demanded more powerful prodigies. And got with a simple shell bullet. So, today this bullet is considered unsuitable for quick reassurance and for reassuring dudes of the usual US complexion with a waist, some 130 centimeters, truly hunting expansive bullets are required, against which the PM standard cartridge with its energy looks especially useless. Or shoot them so many times until they fall.

[ssergey1978]

Practice shows that human PM slows down immediately. I read about the Filipino Papuans, but the Americans always have gigantomania.

[Horse, people and soul]

The practice is different for everyone. The common one. Motivated and on substances the enemy will immediately fall only from a bullet to the head.

From the bullet even in the heart - he will not die right away and he will have a few seconds to shoot back at you (God forbid). And there’s a big chance that he will hit you at this pistol distance. Do you need it?

Americans shoot so many times until PP (bad guy) or the enemy falls. Only if he is not alone, his friends will have time to deal with you while you are busy with him and reloading an eight-shot PM.

With 15-20-charge pistols with 500-600-700 Joules, it turns out to be much more reliable.

[vladcub]

Grigory, Stechkin for an army pistol was difficult to manufacture

[Catfish]

And you reproach someone that he wrote "utter nonsense"? And this is after your stunning statement:

PM was supposed to become an "officer /" pistol, and an army one - APS

Can you even imagine for a second the difference in the price of these two pistols? Arm the multi-million army by Stechkin, in a country that has just survived a monstrous war ?! Yes I.V. Stalin would order immediately to shoot the wise guy who brought such an idea up for discussion in the Politburo.
The APS was originally designed as a personal weapon of the crews of armored vehicles, such was the technical task of the Ministry of Defense. And the point! It is strange that you do not know this.
I personally believe Ilya Yakovlevich Stechkin is just a brilliant designer, and his APS is one of the best pistol systems on the world "market", and in our country it is just the only one.

As for the "Boa", I see a situation here somewhat similar to the one that was when the APS was adopted: well, not a pistol for the WHOLE army! Specialists - yes, helicopter crews - perhaps, but all branches of the armed forces don't need it for nothing.
At one time I dragged the PM both in a holster and in the pocket of a tank jacket, so it was convenient for wearing, but otherwise only as a "last chance weapon", or to shoot myself when the tank is destroyed. And with "Boa" everything is exactly the opposite.

[Horse, people and soul]

And with "Boa" everything is exactly the opposite.

Hello my friend!

The energy boa is comparable to .357 Sig and .357 Magnum.

With a Boa constrictor there will be another trick altogether - a good gun, but evil for the shooter himself. Not everyone will be able to shoot accurately and quickly from him, and that is exactly how one should shoot a pistol at a pistol distance in a real situation.

Therefore, I am a big skeptic about the fact that he will join the army for everyone. IMHO, it won’t go that wide. It will go to specialists in all kinds of special equipment.

[Strashila]

"" PM "is a weapon of" peacetime ", intended for service in a dress or patrolling the streets, and" Boa "is a combat pistol with powerful lethal characteristics", again PM, but forgot about PMM, they would immediately compare with a revolver Nagant , looked even cooler. If we compare the PMM cartridges 9 x 18 and 9 x 21, then the difference in the most important indicator of the initial energy of the bullet is about 10-12%, in the 90s the Rook was recognized as not the main one in the competition, and then the PMM won. Perhaps the designers had to sit down and paint a bottle of Konyachevsky, pushing aside their ambitions and there would be an opportunity to get a weapon masterpiece in the form of a Mosin and Nagant rifle, model 1891.

[Horse, people and soul]

If you compare the PMM cartridges 9 x 18 and 9 x 21, then the difference in the most important indicator of the initial bullet energy is about 10-12%

With such energy, the 9x18 PMM cartridge does not really fit a pistol with a circuit without locking.

Even a simple PM on its weak cartridges has more Kalashmatite than any other pistol with locking, but under almost one and a half to two times more powerful cartridge 9x19.

[Strashila]

Each scheme has its own advantages and disadvantages, if the PM was bad it would not have been in service for more than half a century. Everyone looks at the standard cartridge, but the PM has a wide range of special ones. including even such, 9 SP8 gzh cartridge with an expansive bullet of low breakdown action. it is intended for use by anti-terrorist units when assaulting airliners (a bullet is not able to penetrate the fuselage of an airplane) or 9 SP7 gzh - a cartridge with an expansive bullet of increased stopping power. Designed by order of the KGB of the USSR, there is a 9x18 RG028 gzh - a cartridge with an expansive bullet of increased breakdown action. Choose ... I do not want.
Yes, and improvements in the form of arms with a store extraction system, please install.

[Horse, people and soul]

Modern pistols even under 9x17 (.380) are made according to the scheme with locking.

The tiny Ruger LCP pistol weighing just 280 grams is an example.



The photo shows that the scheme with locking the trunk.

[Strashila]

The question is for what purposes and tasks this weapon is, here is clearly the "last chance" of our PSM relatives.

[Horse, people and soul]

The question is not "for what", but "for how." The locking scheme works for the shooter more friendly without kalashmatnaya and it's like a PM or Sig P232. Both on a weak cartridge are more rocking than any other locking pistol.

This kid Ruger is an example, since he weighs more than two times less than the Sig P232 pistol in the same caliber and also it is half plastic.

[vladcub]

In fact, the Mosin rifle is not completely his invention. The site talked about creating a rifle

[Strashila]

The point is that finding a compromise in the application of more worthy solutions to their opponents in their projects.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Strashila

If you compare the PMM cartridges 9 x 18 and 9 x 21, then the difference in the most important indicator of the initial bullet energy is about 10-12%

the difference is significant - by a quarter. The energy of the 9x21 bullet is 25-30% higher than that of the PMM (635 and 480-500 kJ, respectively)
Another thing is that 9x21 is a non-standard cartridge, and in the present conditions is excessive

[Horse, people and soul]

The first batch of pistols "Boa" entered the army

Good deal!



The main thing here is to really shoot at least 1000-5000 rounds of ammunition from each barrel, and not just carry it all the time.

[Horse, people and soul]

The Russian 9x21 cartridge in energy is an analogue of the Western pistol .357 Sig and .357 Magnum revolver, which are also nine-millimeter.

Only in contrast to the police specialization of Western analogues, the Russian cartridge is a specialist in armor penetration.

[Lord of the Sith]

Gun characteristics are encouraging

Good luck!

[Mark]

I have the opportunity to shoot practically all the pistols and compare them in the field conditions. Well, so that they don’t say there, but the pistol school in Russia is weak. In addition to PMa, the rest are all unfinished models. Take the same Viking, it seems that it was made not at the factory on the CNC but some kind of workshop with a file in the basement. The culture of execution, design, coating, very low, in terms of reliability ... an ordinary gun, nothing like that.
Would buy a license for the finished model from some kind of foreign company and do not waste time on all kinds of experiments.
I recently shot from Grand Power Excalubur, you can say it's a fenced ready-made military pistol. Yes, not untwisted, but bringing it to military standards is a year of work. Moreover, the design there allows you to do it in the full auto version.

[Horse, people and soul]

Moreover, the design there allows you to do it in the full auto version.

Slovaks also have an option with a cut-off of 2 shots. Only security officials sell this model.

[Lord of the Sith]

For example, I really like PB
But in the west, really, the pistol school is stronger, whatever one may say.

[vladcub]

Quote: ssergey1978

Some kind of angular, not beautiful. I think he will not replace PM.

By God, such a definition would suit a woman more. The main thing in the gun is not beauty, but reliability. Take the American Colt M1911 how many years he was in service with the army? And now there is a great many imitations of him.

[RAE8]

Quote: vladcub

By God, such a definition would suit a woman more.

Such a definition is more suitable for the inner instinct, and this is very useful everywhere.

[ssergey1978]

And here is a woman. The angular gun is a minus. The gun should be an extension of the hand. Do you yourself believe that this gun will have a future?

[vladcub]

Now some kind of angularity in the pistols is a kind of trend

[vladcub]

1) Recently, there was information that the first batch of pi entered the arsenal. And then they said that he would replace PM
2) "" PM "is a weapon of" peacetime ", intended for carrying out service in the dress or patrolling the streets" yeah, as a detail of the dress uniform.
3) "combined arms, special and CIVIL" - does it mean that the army pistol will go to the civilian market? Don't tell my footcloths. If they are going to arm the police, then if you please say so

[Captan78]

I hope they mean the sighting range of 50 meters?

[Chukcha]

Yeah, most likely.

[senima56]

If the leadership of our Defense Ministry has enough wisdom, which I really hope for, the PL-15 will be adopted by the Army (17). A "boa constrictor" will be adopted by special forces.

[erased]

Well, let the platoon or company commander drag this charm on himself. Or the general will be given so that the service does not seem like honey. The CEO's statement is bullshit. "Peaceful PM" sent so many non-peaceful people to the next world, another cannon will envy. Someone, of course, needs such a barrel, but it is unlikely that this someone serves in the Ministry of Defense.
In short, the lobby won. Meanwhile, in the United States, the PL-14/15 pistol was appreciated. Like a cool trunk. And it was also created to replace the PM. What did he not arrange? A "low-power" cartridge, or another pocket, where does the money for the order fall?
Oh, how fun it is! Only the officers are not laughing, they carry this "wunderwaffe" on themselves.

[pafegosoff]

And how is its outstanding data outstanding than a dozen other similar ones?
Homing bullets for voice, flash, shadow?
The shutter does not clang, sleeves neatly fit into the bag?
A friend or foe device?
And what is bad about Mud?
I read it over and understood. Here it is, the main advantage: "The Udav self-loading pistol is a completely domestic development, only Russian components are used in its design ..."
Then there are no questions.

[Lord of the Sith]

There the cartridge is excellent, and domestic, which is important.

[vladcub]

Yeah, but in others, Chinese fakes?

[Vladimir Nizhegorodsky]

Good gun.
We hope not to fail.