Northern Sea Route. World transport future or grand projecting?

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Northern Sea Route. Many of our fellow citizens believe that this is the main transport artery of the world of the future, perhaps not so distant. But is it really?

At first glance, the benefits of the Northern Sea Route in comparison with the traditional routes laid between Europe and Asia through the Suez Canal are obvious. For example, the route through Suez from Korea to England has a length of over 23 thousand km, and the same road through the NSR will be only over 14 thousand km.



Northern Sea Route. World transport future or grand projecting?


In other words, the route through the Russian North is much shorter than through the southern seas and the Indian Ocean. And this is considered by many to be the key factor that will determine the commercial success of the Northern Sea Route.

So the “fruit of collective wisdom” named Wikipedia suggests the following economic benefits of the NSR:

1. Savings on fuel, the cost of freight of the vessel and the salary of its crew.

2. No payment for the passage of a vessel that exists in the Suez Canal.

3. No queues (as is the case with the Suez Canal).

4. No risk of piracy attacks.

And dear Viktor Kuzovkov, the author of the article posted on "IN" “Growth of Russian influence in the Arctic. Will it get hot in the ice? ” adds to this also the geopolitical factor. Which lies in the fact that the route through Suez runs in the control zones of the US Navy and NATO. In an era when China was nothing more than the silent factory of Uncle Sam, this was completely irrelevant. But now, when China is an economic and political giant waking up on its feet and not afraid to resist the United States in a number of areas, its maritime transport arteries may also be “pressured”. Well, on the Russian SMP, of course, nothing like this can happen, therefore the Northern Sea Route is of great interest to the Chinese leadership.

Let's try to figure out how all this is correct.

Saving on ship's freight


It would seem that something much simpler - since flights through the SMP are shorter than through Suez, then you will have to pay less to rent a transport vessel. But let's first think about this — what boat will you pay to rent it cheaper? Or, paraphrasing this question - what kind of vessels can sail the Northern Sea Route?

There is such a thing: “ship's ice class”, and this is a whole hierarchy, which is regulated by the “Russian Maritime Register of Shipping”. In others, the country has its own similar documents, but our most detailed and detailed, so take it as an example.

So, at the very bottom of the hierarchy are vessels that do not have ice class at all and are not intended for circulation in areas where ice is possible. Then Ice1 goes, the ships that have been assigned this class are allowed to make independent episodic sailing in the thin ice of the non-Arctic seas and in continuous ice in the channel behind the icebreaker with ice thickness up to 0,4 m. 2 m. But only in non-Arctic seas.

Then the arctic classes begin. There are six of them, they start with Arc4 (L1), which are allowed independent swimming in rarefied annual Arctic ice with their thickness up to 0,6 m in winter-spring navigation and up to 0,8 m in summer-autumn. For an icebreaker, you can go in the ice thickness up to 0,7 m in the winter-spring and up to 1,0 m in the summer-autumn navigation. And Arc9 ends, which are able to independently break through the long-term arctic ice 3,5 m in winter-spring navigation and up to 4,0 m in summer-autumn. Well, after that icebreaking classes Icebreaker6-9 begin.

So what kind of ships can sail the Northern Sea Route? Yes, any! Even those who do not have ice class. Here they can only walk the summer-autumn navigation, which lasts from 2 to 4 months in a year, depending on the ice conditions.


Number of vessels that passed the SMP in 2014 g


At the same time, for the passage of the SMP, the help of icebreakers is required. Even in the summer. No, here, of course, some options are possible - if the weather is very favorable, then a small transport vessel that does not have an ice class may be able to slip along the coast. But it may not slip through, much depends on nature: in the normal state of the NSR, an icebreaker will still be needed.

And what about the spring-winter navigation, which means the 8-10 months in a year on the NSR? Everything is very simple here - vessels with ice class not lower than Arc4 are allowed on the northern route, and they must be strictly accompanied by icebreakers. Theoretically, the SMP can try to go without icebreaker escort, but this is not always possible (everything depends on nature again), and only vessels with ice class not lower than Arc7 can venture on it. And here everything is not easy, as the author is not entirely clear whether even Arc7 can make its way between Dudinka and Chukotka.

Naturally, in order to go from China or Korea through Suez, no ice class is needed.



So it turns out that instead of leading the cargo through Suez, you can charter absolutely the same vessel and go on it via the NSR. But only 2-4 of the month of the year. And what to do with this very ship the rest of the time? Obviously, “drive” through the same Suez. Thus, such freight will bring profit to its owner far from the whole year round.

But in order to walk all year round, the SMP - if you please, build an Arc4 ice-class vessel, and better Arc7.


Russian ice class tanker Arc7. Here we can, if you really want!


How expensive is it? Alas, the author will not be able to give exact figures, but judging by the amount of work, it is much more expensive. In order for a ship to sail in the ice, it needs to be strengthened literally in all respects. Absolutely all the elements of his set must be stronger - frames, stringers, set beams, stem. Besides the fact that the skin and decks should be stronger, we also need special “linings”, the so-called ice belts. The power plant should be more powerful, since it will not only have to “push” the vessel itself, but also “shove” the ice, even if it follows the icebreaker.

And the convenience of the crew? Sorry, but to provide acceptable conditions for his life and work on a ship in the southern seas is one thing, and on the NSR, at a temperature of minus fifty, it is “a little” another. And the load? Of course, the temperature regime is completely unimportant to many categories of cargo, but there are others. And what to do for them also heated holds?

Little of. It should be understood that the Northern Sea Route is the north. Even not so - this is the Real Russian North, the conditions of existence on which are not just complex - they are extreme. And the equipment there wears out much faster than in relatively mild equatorial conditions. This fact even the domestic tax has managed to recognize, allowing the amendments to apply to the depreciation period for equipment operating in the Far North. Therefore, the service life of the polar ships will either be less than their “equatorial counterparts”, or they should be made more expensive during construction in order to provide an increased resource.

It is clear that all of this is only general reasoning, but if we take up the assessment of the economic efficiency of a ship’s freight, we must take into account all of the above factors, and also, surely, a lot of things that the author, not being a professional, simply could not mention. But you need to understand that as a result of a correct calculation that takes into account all factors, the cost of freight of a ship that is able to sail under polar conditions may turn out to be even higher than a ship for the southern seas. Despite the shorter route distances.

Fuel cost savings


She certainly will. Here, for example, the Chinese merchant ship "Tianjian", "slipped" along the Northern Sea Route to the city of Esbjerg in Denmark, saved 15 days of travel and 383 tons of fuel. It left the port of Lianyungang and made it to Esbjerg in Denmark, breaking the 6280 nautical miles, and this is 4779 less miles than if the ship went through the Suez Canal.

Is it a lot or a little? Taking into account the fact that the cost of fuel, according to the data available to the author, can range from 150 to 400 dollars per ton (price in Singapore is 2014-2016 g) the benefit in the summer months for this vessel was (roughly) from 58 to 153 Thousands of dollars. Is it a lot, or a little? "Tanjian", generally speaking, is not too large vessel.


"Tanjian" in person


Its gross tonnage is 26770 tons, deadweight 37979 tons. 189,99 meter length, 28,5 meter width, 8,6 meter draft. The maximum recorded speed of the 15,1 node.

If we assume that Tianjian was fully loaded on this flight, it turns out that savings per ton of cargo amounted to 2,16-5,71 dollars. This is quite a lot. But let's not forget that Tianjian passed in one of the two most comfortable months. Do not forget that the Arc4 ice class ships will have a higher fuel consumption per ton of cargo than conventional ships of the same gross tonnage (heavier hull, more powerful power plant). And yet, let's not forget that the larger ships have a significantly lower fuel consumption per ton of transported cargo (scale effect), which means there will be less savings.

Further. As far as can be understood from the publications, Tianjian did without the help of an icebreaker (although this is not a fact), but in winter, or in more difficult ice conditions, it would have failed to save 15 days — no matter how cool it is, but the speed behind the icebreaker will be lower accordingly, the time on the route will increase. And further. The complexity of the ice situation is directly dependent on the distance from our shore. That is, the closer to the North Pole - the thicker the ice. It seems to be, well, what's the problem - go closer to our shores ... And the problem is actually very big, because, oddly enough, these areas are shallow. And large-tonnage vessels having a draft of up to 15 m cannot be carried out near our shores, their routes will have to be run much further north, that is, where they definitely need the help of icebreakers.

Savings on crew pay


There will be no savings, because there will be a continuous overrun. No, of course, if we assume that the crew will receive payment for their work at exactly the same rates as for the southern seas - then it is of course. For example, if we assume that Tianjian when going through the NSR went at the same average speed that it would take along the route through Suez, then in this case, with hourly rates, the savings would be approximately 43% of the amount that spend while sailing through Suez.

But let's not forget that walking by the Northern Sea Route is much more difficult work than to walk around the Indian oceans there. We have, throughout the SMP, the regional coefficient 2 operates - that is, an employee of the same profession will receive twice as much on the wage scale than his colleague of the same qualification somewhere in the Moscow or Leningrad regions. And under market conditions, wage differentiation cannot be avoided - the crews will have to pay much more expensively for regular labor on the Northern Sea Route than for regular routes through Suez.

By the way, the question is not only in working conditions. Besides, the captain also needs special training for swimming in ice conditions, that is, such a captain will be more qualified.

No payment for the passage of the Suez Canal


What is, that is, following along the Northern Sea Route, you will not have to pay for the passage by the Suez Canal. But you have to pay icebreakers for the wiring. How expensive?

A little more than 5 years ago, by order of 4 in March 2014, the Federal Tariff Service approved tariffs for icebreaker escort vessels rendered by Atomflot FSUE.



These rates are calculated on the 1 tonne of cargo carried, and depend on the ice class of the vessel, its gross tonnage, navigation and route length. There is no point in bringing out completely, but we note that the same “Tianjian”, if it does not have an ice class, would be paid 1 072,42 rubles if it was wired to all the zones. per ton of gross tonnage (and not actually carried cargo). In March, the 2014 g dollar is approximately 36 rubles, so the Chinese would have to fork out about $ 30. But it is in the summer. But in the winter-spring navigation, "Tanjian", in the absence of an ice class, would not have been allowed at all. Well, if he has it, and according to Russian standards it corresponds to, say, Arc4, then a passage would be possible, but at the same time the rate would increase to 1 340,57 rubles. or 37,23 dollars per ton.

A similar rate for the passage of the Suez Canal is from 8 to 12 dollars.

But what is interesting is that, apparently, the tariffs of Atomflot did not change even now. It is obvious that after more than 5 years they have become pretty outdated and hardly provide any acceptable profit to our FSUE - after all, during this time, even according to official data, inflation exceeded 42%. Apparently, there is a shout "from above" in order to make an attractive passage along the NSR for foreigners. But even today, when the dollar is worth 65 rubles, Tianjian would have to pay approximately 16,5 dollars in the summer-autumn navigation and 20,62 dollars in the winter. As you can see, the tariff for winter navigation completely “ate” all the savings on fuel (about $ 6 maximum), and still remained higher than the payment for passage through the Suez Canal.

No queues


Lack of queues and associated downtime would be great if not for one “but!”. Today, when the volume of cargo traffic on the Northern Sea Route is small, our icebreaking fleet is quite capable of conducting ships on demand, that is, when such an order appears. But what will happen if a multiple increase in the number of ships occurs? And if their number grows by orders of magnitude, what, in fact, do many dream of turning the NSR into a “new silk road”? Alas, no reasonable amount of icebreakers will cope with this, willy-nilly it is necessary to form caravans. And caravans mean downtime, while caravans form, there is nothing to be done.

No risk of pirate attack


This is really something, but pirates on the Northern Sea Route are not expected for sure. But let's think about how “pirated” risks are compensated? Very simple - by insuring the goods. Thus, the question smoothly flows into the cost of insurance, although some prefer to use mercenaries to protect cargo.

The only question is whether the insurance of ships moving through the NSR will be cheaper than the usual insurance when following the route through Suez? Well, yes, of course, there are no pirates, but in the presence of practically deserted terrain, with very difficult navigation conditions, with a completely undeveloped infrastructure of ports / airfields, with enormous difficulties that will arise when it is necessary to rescue crews in distress of these ships and the ships themselves. In general, it is possible that in the distant and bright future, when there will be as many ships on the NSR as there are cars in Moscow during rush hours on the roads, insurance will be cheaper, but so far this has not happened, we should expect expensive tariffs. Even in spite of the pirates.

But maybe warming?


Indeed - we have a lot of scientists here who are predicting global warming, but then the conditions of movement along the NSR should significantly improve ... But should they? The fact is that reducing the level of ice does not necessarily have to facilitate navigation. Ice conditions can become even more unpredictable, because such warming can increase the number of icebergs breaking away from thawing ice and moving in a less predictable way. Who wants to play the next Titanic?

But what about geopolitics?


In fact, the political aspect is openly crying out to foreign shippers in order not to make a bid on the Northern Sea Route.

After all, what should a company do that is going to organize year-round cargo transportation along the Northern Sea Route? First of all, build Arc4 ice class cargo ships. These ships will serve for several decades, and they should work only on the NSR, because if you have to send them to the Suez Canal, then the excessive strength of the hulls, the excess power of the machines, etc. lead them to economic inefficiency. Maybe they will certainly work in profit, but this profit will be less than that which the company would receive using ordinary ships. Accordingly, part of the profit will be lost, and in the language of the economy “lost profit” and “loss” are synonymous.

In other words, investing in the construction of the Arctic fleet, the company must be sure that in the next 30 years or more no one will prevent this fleet from navigating the Northern Sea Route, and that the passage of the NSR will remain economically viable.

And who can give such guarantees?

Oh incredible


As we see, in foreign policy Russia today is returning to the positions of the USSR. That is, the Russian Federation today is trying to resist the hegemony of the United States, while Europe, alas, remains on the side of "good guys from overseas." NATO, despite various frictions, is still preserved as an organization, and European countries quite unanimously approve the next anti-Russian sanctions. And now the Russian Federation is compelled to play the role of the “anti-American” pole of the world, only its economic and military capabilities cannot be compared with the similar capabilities of the USSR. In any case, we will have to do it, we simply have no other way out, but what kind of commercial company will be able to guarantee that the conflict between the Russian Federation and the Western world will not intensify and will not lead to some forms of economic wars that make the NSR unprofitable? Say, any monstrous harbor dues for ships unable to present a ticket for the passage of the Suez Canal?

It seems to be completely divorced from reality. But if we undertake to talk about the future, in which China’s naval blockade is possible (bees are against honey, Europe is asleep and sees how to give up cheap Chinese goods), then why not? And even if we ignore the above, and take for granted that the blockade of China is still possible, then even then it must be understood that the Northern Sea Route does not give Chinese courts economic security. The US Navy, based on Japan and the NATO Navy, based on England and Norway, is able to prevent them before the start of the NSR, or to block the passage after leaving it.

And now - about the real danger.


The tariffs that countries pay for the passage of the Suez Canal, there is one indisputable plus. They are manageable. And all because the fee for the passage of this channel goes to the state budget of Egypt. And Egypt ... how to say it ... with all due respect for its sovereignty, is absolutely not in that weight category to try to impose its rules on world powers. And if he tries to charge more than the reasonable and accepted by the parties fee, then there is no doubt that the Egyptian government will be “put on sight” very quickly.

But who can "put on" the power, whose nuclear potential is more than enough to drive the United States of America into the stone age in half an hour?

Any foreign company, evaluating the prospects for the Northern Sea Route, before building a fleet of Arctic ships, will look at the state that sets the rules on the Northern Sea Route. And what does it see? The Russian Federation, which stands in opposition to the entire Western world, but most importantly - a country with a completely unstable economy. And where is the guarantee that it is not today, but after years of 10-15, the new leadership of the Russian Federation will not want to force the company to share its profits a bit, by raising prices for icebreaking services? In this case, the shipping companies who have risked investing in the construction of the Arctic fleet will suffer extremely substantial losses, but the world community has practically no opportunity to put pressure on the Russian Federation to reduce these tariffs.

What merchant needs such risks?

Hack and predictor Aviator


It is surprisingly simple. Developing the Northern Sea Route is certainly important and necessary, because this is our transport artery, providing and supplying approximately 20 to millions of our fellow citizens of Northerners, and no one has canceled the need to export minerals. There are other reasons as well: after all, we declared the polar region from our borders to the North Pole to be our possessions, we need to live them. And, of course, if at some point in time we can offer adequate conditions for transit through the NSR, then some part of the cargo traffic can really shift from Suez to us.



But today or in the foreseeable future, the Northern Sea Route will not be able to compete with classical routes through the Suez Canal in any case, alas.
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  1. -50
    27 May 2019 05: 42
    Many letters! I didn’t understand anything, I read it, I read it shorter - the author sekvermorput crossroads!
    1. +42
      27 May 2019 05: 57
      Of course I didn’t understand. You can’t even write in Russian correctly ... lol
      1. +39
        27 May 2019 06: 40
        An absolutely adequate article, destroying another "popular", wet dream of the Russian cohort of "successful managers", it is a pity that before them the meaning of this article will remain "outside the brackets" - it is too difficult for them to calculate all the risks and efficiency, the main thing in advance " urakryaknut "through the" official "media, about how Russia" will heal from the Northern Sea Route, and the "note" urakryakols will pick up and carry this news to the back streets - another "getting up from his knees" to the delight of the inhabitants and to the death of "enemies".
        1. +5
          27 May 2019 09: 08
          An absolutely adequate article, destroying another "popular", wet dream of the Russian cohort of "successful managers", it is a pity that before them the meaning of this article will remain "outside the brackets" - it is too difficult for them


          Well, here the approach is one-sided.
          The main thing that is not taken into account in this article is the influence of the state on the NSR, both the pros and cons. Here it was indicated only

          And what does it see? The Russian Federation, which is in opposition to the entire Western world, but most importantly - a country with a completely unstable economy. And where is the guarantee that not today, but in 10-15 years, the new leadership of the Russian Federation would not want to force the company to share its profits a little bit, “slightly” pushing up prices for icebreaking services?


          that you agree a big minus on the part of the author of the article, but you can also look from the other side.
          And these are state guarantees, for services, for security, for all kinds of fees (at least at the port during the formation of caravans), and a lot of what the interested state can give, just look at the Anglo-Saxons. There are many gas engines for such caravans, and there are many more different advantages for investors and participants, due to which the cost of wiring can be reduced.

          But there is one thing, but the state must have the political will to promote, lobby and, most importantly, control the process and pricing of this project, regardless of its proximity to all kinds of feeders and individuals.

          And no politics, just business.
          1. +3
            27 May 2019 09: 19
            Yes, business. But here's one caveat. The "world factory" has now begun to flow from China to India. And India's share in world production will grow. The role of China in industry will decline. And then the question is, which way is it more profitable to import goods from India?
            1. +4
              27 May 2019 09: 36
              The role of China in industry will decrease. And then the question is: how to transport goods from India is more profitable?


              Yes, the Kuragino-Kyzyl-Mongolia railway is already under construction with its further connection with the railway network of Mongolia and China (with access to Urumqi), if we agree with China it will be a direct railway link to India. Although the construction is going on shaky or swiftly, but India will not soon replace China.

              By the way, this will be the most economically viable route to Europe and the decoupling from the Trans-Siberian bottlenecks.
            2. +2
              27 May 2019 13: 10
              India to China as to the moon, no matter how they grow. a miracle will not happen there.
              1. +8
                27 May 2019 15: 41
                I want to clarify. China has now become less attractive than India in terms of labor prices and policies, but there are other conditions besides this - infrastructure, language, culture, and finally, natural resources. And what do we see in comparison with China in India?
                Resources are zero, and China will not give up the controversial ones. Workforce is much better in China.
                Culture - there are also difficulties. From the history of the former colony to socialist parties and less fanatical than in the Far East
                Energy - everything is sad here. Climate - China is much more convenient
                Infrastructure - in recent years, China has done so much for this that India cannot even be compared.
                Finally, the geopolitical position. China is located next to a whole bunch of industrially not backward states, which greatly promotes cooperation and the United States is much less swim. And what about India? There is nobody near (mountain China doesn’t count) there is no normal piece of iron, around the country are not particularly friendly, and there are pirates in the sea.

                And what do we end up with? Mice (USA) cried, but continued to eat cactus (China).
                1. 0
                  27 May 2019 16: 02
                  Everything is true as it is in the quality of transport and the rest of the infrastructure, as the workforce of India, it is the backyard of human civilization. And one should not forget that China is largely closed on itself - a large solvent domestic market, maybe not as rich as a CA or European, but this is one of the links to successful and stable growth, although this is debatable - they are already the first in terms of the number of cars sold annually , in terms of the number of electric cars sold, the rest of the world lagged behind them by a couple of decades. Well, with India, everything is clear.
                  1. 0
                    27 May 2019 16: 05
                    India had a chance of development, but before the development of China - then it would have had some niche
                    and now she has few chances, and even trade wars have begun
                    but before India only ceased to be a colony and was generally with the USSR and would be a forge of socialism, not global capital.
                    1. 0
                      27 May 2019 17: 49
                      I don’t know what kind of connection there was with the USSR, but India, as it were, when it gained independence was a capitalist state, and what there were aspirations for socialism - as they are in many capstries - they just realized somewhere, but somewhere only on paper
        2. GAF
          +4
          27 May 2019 14: 14
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          An absolutely adequate article, destroying another "popular", wet dream of the Russian cohort of "successful managers", ..... about how Russia "will heal from the Northern Sea Route, and the" note-taking "urakryakols will pick up and spread this news to the back streets - another "getting up from the knees" for the joy of the townsfolk and for the death of "enemies"


          The article exhaustively sets out the motives for and against the route from the point of view of external "consumers". And only one paragraph specifies its own need for the Northern Sea Route. If they are already going to settle down in the North with its unexplored riches, in which "the horse has not been lying around," then this path is, first of all, extremely necessary. What are the annual seasonal campaigns for the supply of software for the North? And they should multiply. A high-latitude railway is being built from an excess of extra money. Among other things, the geopolitical aspect is important in terms of defense and economy. For example, the same gas pipelines to Europe exist today, but tomorrow they may "shrink". We need a reliable way to deliver LNG to the capacious market of Southeast Asia.
          There will be third-party "interests" of the Northern Sea Route - great. If they are not there, we will live without them.
          1. +1
            1 June 2019 13: 37
            "Northern Sea Route. World transport future or grandiose projecting?" ...


            only one paragraph specifies its own need for the Northern Sea Route. If they are already going to settle down in the North with its unexplored riches, in which "the horse has not been lying around," then this path is, first of all, extremely necessary.
            Right! Primarily
        3. -5
          27 May 2019 17: 37
          An absolutely inadequate article ... it does not take into account the main and main factor in the construction of the NSR ... the factor due to which the Suez Canal was built and the Silk Road is considered and the European Union was created..this is a factor in accelerating the turnover of capital .. the simplest example ... a customer from Europe, having started construction, orders equipment for 2 billion euros in China ... and sends money by letter of credit to China .... until the equipment arrives in Europe ... nobody can use the money .... they are simply frozen in the bank ... as a result, both sides are forced to take loans, say for two weeks ... one side cannot continue the construction ... the other buy derivatives for equipment ... a forced loan at 5 percent ... in other words, there is a loss of money from turnover ...
          1. -2
            28 May 2019 00: 00
            Quote: Trotil42
            capital flow acceleration factor .. the simplest example ... a customer from Europe, having started construction, orders equipment for 2 billion euros in China ... and sends money by letter of credit to China .... until the equipment arrives in Europe ... no one gets money can’t use .... they are just frozen in the bank ... as a result, both sides are forced to take loans for two weeks ... one side cannot continue the construction ... the other is buying derivatives for equipment ... a forced loan under 5 percent ... in other words, there is a loss of money from turnover ...

            Yes, it is beneficial only to banks. And minus signers obviously do not understand the fundamentals of the economy.
          2. +5
            28 May 2019 00: 25
            Quote: Trotil42
            this is a factor in accelerating the turnover of capital ..

            Really? :)))
            Quote: Trotil42
            the simplest example ... a customer from Europe, starting construction, orders equipment for 2 billion euros in China ... and sends money by letter of credit to China .... until the equipment arrives in Europe ... no one can use the money ... .

            How long did it take, "economist"? :)))) In real life
            1) Equipment of such cost is paid for by individual trenches, and not by the whole amount.
            2) The first stage of acceptance of equipment is done DIRECTLY BY THE MANUFACTURER. I still apologize, but crazy people who are ready to carry a cat in a bag through half the world so that in the event of a marriage to return him halfway through the world back into nature does not exist. Went bankrupt and extinct
            3) payments for products shipped will occur as equipment is accepted by the commission in China. But not all, since such expensive equipment needs installation supervision, accompanied by Chinese specialists, and in general there is little
            That is, in practice, it will be so - 25 percent prepayment, then 20 percent - as soon as equipment stages are ready, then 40 percent - calculation upon shipment, the rest - after commissioning by the buyer. And no two-week downtime.
            1. +1
              28 May 2019 17: 02
              For gifted economists .....you have on 2 billion. euro 2250 customers... and nothing of this nonsense is needed .. cars .. equipment .. machines .. and so on. do not consider a special case ... as the basis for transportation... what you write is a rarity .. one-time delivery ... and it is concluded from it ... well, what would you do to deliver the installation? Do you need to consider financing? Construction schedule? Financing schedule? The capital turnover for the bank will accelerate during the year .. and stop watching DOM-2
              1. +1
                28 May 2019 18: 47
                Quote: Trotil42
                you have on 2 billion. euro 2250 customers

                "Forgive me, who stood on whom? Take the trouble to express your thoughts more clearly" (c)
                That they themselves understood what they wrote? :)))) Where is China's 2250 customers for 2 billion euros? :))))
                I understand that you took 4,5 trillion of China's foreign trade turnover and divided it into 2 :)))) What a cute boy :))) And nothing, that foreign trade turnover is EXPORT + IMPORT?
                China exports about 3 billion and the vast majority are consumer goods and relatively inexpensive products for industry that are purchased in large quantities. Deals on 2 billion to one supplier is a one-time deal that happens every five years
                Quote: Trotil42
                One-time delivery ... and it concluded ...

                Anything that takes YOUR example? Bring some other one, it will be easy for me to refute it.
                1. +1
                  30 May 2019 22: 09
                  Andrey, is it possible to some extent offtopic from the WC website?
                  Thank you, dear "Andrey from Chelyabinsk"!
                  I observe your delights at VO (as earlier on Aurora), so when I stand, I make applause deserved by your article.
                  But let me show off against your majestic background with my three copecks.
                  Everything that you wrote about the NSR is true - good solid work, like all your materials that you had to reach (especially the marine series on VO), but this is true, having a negative social connotation and it would be more correct to call this coloration "momentary sense" ... With such a social definition, this truth is 100% correct in financial and economic terms in relation to today's liberal geopolitics of 4-5 economic and financial structures (the Earth will live up to the 6th, or not - this is unknown).
                  So what is the NSR for the Russian economy, which represents this service to the world?
                  But Russia does not offer anything interesting, STABILY AVAILABLE, really fast and cheap enough (from the point of view of its SOCIO-financial and economic interests). This is a service implemented around the clock 365 days a year in harsh (often unsuitable for life) polar conditions and performed by the forces of several tens of thousands of people, which consists in organizing the promotion of IMPORTED (and a small number of export) cargoes along the NSR in territories fundamentally unsuitable for settlement and development. These people work there on a rotational basis, in extreme conditions losing their health (but earning a good pension) and are not going to live there after retirement (if they survive, especially since they don’t build housing there (so-called in common terms)) ) And it is not at all obvious that this NSR will exist forever beyond the Arctic Circle - you never know what climatic, tectonic and historical cataclysms happen!
                  But no one proposed for consideration an alternative plan for the same "route from the Varangians to the Greeks", which has a land character, ten times greater efficiency and delivery speed - and this is TransSib. At the same time, it still has hundreds of times greater significance and influence for the Russian people than some projectile NSR or, even worse, the Silk Road .. We will not consider the widening of the track and the laying of the third line today, but we will try to assess the socio-economic impact of this paths taking into account global warming, because if today TransSib passes along the border of taiga and forest-steppe, then in 50-100 years it will run through a continuous steppe agriculturally inhabited and inhabited by a multi-million population space, producing hundreds of millions of tons of agricultural products, and at the same time saturated with the required amount irrigation water and built up mass of agricultural production, storage and processing of agricultural products. At the same time, the population will be tied to the land, rooted and not feel the need for migration (if the Government deigns to provide it with infrastructure).
                  That is why I consider the improvement of TransSib to be a hundred times more significant construction for the Russian people, which gives the people a productive life, increased prosperity, stability and stability with jobs and salaries, than the whole SMP-hangover.
    2. +19
      27 May 2019 06: 21
      Many letters! I didn’t understand anything, I read, I read in short

      Read Murzilka or at worst Crocodile ... there are some pictures and with letters all is in order. smile
      And so I completely agree with the conclusions of the author ... I correctly stated everything ... it’s difficult to dig in ... thanks Andrey for the article. hi
    3. -14
      27 May 2019 07: 50
      The author tries to tell us - there is nothing to strain with the SMP, he is not so good, and not very necessary for someone. Well, that is relax guys.
      And that means - the author pours water on the American mill.
      1. +14
        27 May 2019 08: 40
        Quote: Valery Valery
        And that means - the author pours water on the American mill.

        Valery, I have the youngest fifth year, and he already understands that the world does not consist solely of black and white colors :)))) It is a pity that you, even having managed somehow to master the letter and the Internet, did not grow to that
        1. -17
          27 May 2019 09: 56
          You, dear, tell my child about the village of Songmi, about the 200 of torn children, about three years of house arrest for this crime, and only then about the black and white color scheme.
          And so, to the youngest child - greetings from the "undersized" uncle Valera!
          1. +10
            27 May 2019 14: 56
            Quote: Valery Valery
            You, dear, tell my child about the village of Songmi

            What does Songie have to do with the Northern Sea Route? :))) But okay, everything is clear.
            1. -8
              27 May 2019 15: 00
              I understand everything with you !!
        2. +5
          27 May 2019 13: 10
          Andrey, don't you think that these are all the consequences of the irresistible belief of our chief in the supermega waffle from the Poseidon region "Peresvet". The Chinese are driving the "Silk Road" which seems to me to be a more adequate alternative, but with the right approach, Russia has colossal transit opportunities. I am interested in your opinion, maybe it was more correct to invest such huge money in the modernization of the Far Eastern ports, and finally to bring the railway corridor to mind, otherwise, as far as I know, the average speed of movement along the BAM is extremely low, and the safety of goods, the service of Russian Railways is not at any gate , the port of Vladivostok is not in any comparison with world analogues. Maybe I'm wrong, but if all this is brought to mind it will be cheaper, and even easier than the SMP. It is much more difficult to organize a rescue operation on the NSR !!!!!
          1. +2
            27 May 2019 16: 13
            Why was it necessary to drag one of the means of guaranteed retaliatory nuclear destruction into transport infrastructure? Poseidon is one of them, and in terms of strategy and tactics, everything is done right - it is much more difficult to defend against various means of attack. Well this is off topic like your replica.
            And regarding transport infrastructure and Russian Railways - you are not looking at the news, but take an interest in at least the reports of the Ministry of Transport and Russian Railways on the growth of transit freight traffic, and it goes every year.
            And Russian Railways will not be able to replace in any way the delivery of containers by sea - the task of Russian Railways to make delivery quickly is much faster than the sea route, which they successfully cope with. And the task of the sea route is the minimum delivery price - time is of course also important, but the price plays a big role.
            China is interested in the deviation of transport routes - in order to secure and accelerate its trade, the rest is lyrics.
            1. 0
              27 May 2019 16: 59
              Quote: Yarhann
              Poseidon is one of them, and in terms of strategy and tactics everything is done correctly - it is much more difficult to defend against various means of attack

              A very controversial statement, as I understand you are in the subject and you know that a concept similar to Poseidon was proposed back in the USSR, and the real effectiveness of this type of very expensive weapon was seriously questioned by the way Andrey (the author of this article) had previously reasonably doubted the need for this type of weapon.
              As for the NSR and the modernization of the railway corridor and ports in the Far East, firstly I had only a question, which, in the author’s opinion, is more adequate, and it is necessary from the point of view of the alternative to Suez, as a reader, I have doubts whether such a big result injecting money into the NSR to the desired result or is it again another project that will only lead to the killing of money and a banal cut
              1. -5
                27 May 2019 17: 32
                it doesn’t matter if Andrei listened to such Andrei, it wouldn’t be not the SSBN, the TU95 and TU160 with X102, the mines with Voevoda and its complex missile defense system, there would be no Vanguard complex. And all would end with a maximum of soil complexes such as poplar with one Deshmans monoblock warhead. Poseidon and all that is connected with this program is not just a thermonuclear torpedo; it is the creation of a new automatic deep-sea complex - if, according to a simple underwater BPA, this is what Americans are doing now. In the future, such systems will be used in many countries of the world - as underwater reconnaissance with a GAS on board and so on. That's all . You should not so primitively evaluate this development - just like a bomb, it's just as stupid as evaluating an impact UAV, dropping bombs if possible - completely disregarding all its other capabilities.
                1. +4
                  27 May 2019 18: 17
                  Quote: Yarhann
                  no matter the opinion of Andrei, if such Andreev listened to, there would be no X-Rayx, not 95 and 160 with X102

                  Rave. Because each of these weapons systems has its own important tactical niche, complementing each other perfectly. Poseidon doesn't have one
                  Quote: Yarhann
                  Poseidon and all that is connected with this program is not just a thermonuclear torpedo that is the creation of a new automatic deepwater complex - if in simple underwater BPPA - this is what the Americans are doing now

                  The nonsense is even greater, because the Americans make a completely different product - an underwater UAV. Well, that is never atomic (it is contraindicated) and has completely different tasks.
                  Subdivision UAVs are needed (yes, at least to the mine problem, maintenance of underwater gas stations, etc.), but they don’t need a nuclear reactor at all.
                  Quote: Yarhann
                  In the future, such complexes will be used in many countries of the world - as underwater reconnaissance aircraft with GAS on board and so on.

                  They will not, just as no one uses today AGSN missiles "for reconnaissance."
                  1. -3
                    27 May 2019 18: 59
                    Well, Americans finally can make an underwater unmanned aerial vehicle))) so where are we up to them.
                    nuclear reactor is autonomy - that is why the Americans do not have diesel submarines.
                    Well, about the fact that Poseidon has no tactical niche - well, of course, as you define it, it will be so, the Ministry of Defense was waiting for your expert assessment of where to launch Poseidon. Write to Shoigu and personally, I think GDP will listen to you. Your opinion is very important there at the top.
                    1. +2
                      27 May 2019 19: 19
                      Quote: Yarhann
                      Well, Americans finally can make an underwater unmanned aerial vehicle))) so where are we up to them.

                      The fact is that ours have been dealing with this topic for a long time :)))) Google "Harpsichord". And THIS IS - a really important and necessary development
                      Quote: Yarhann
                      nuclear reactor is autonomy - that is why the Americans do not have diesel submarines.

                      And why underwater drone such autonomy? Do you at least understand that he will not work without a supporting ship?
                      Quote: Yarhann
                      Well, about the fact that Poseidon does not have a tactical niche - well, of course, as you define it, it will be so, in MO you were waiting for your expert assessment of where to launch

                      No need to smear your emotions on the keyboard - just call Poseidon’s tactical niche :))) Taking into account that ANY problem of an atomic torpedo of an SNF is easier and faster to solve by an ICBM
                      Quote: Yarhann
                      Write Shoigu and personally GDP

                      When I need your advice, I will ask you
                  2. -7
                    28 May 2019 04: 32
                    Andrey is from Chelyabinsk! Before you write something about Poseidon, you need to know, and not rely on the "fairy tales" of Klimov, Timoshin and of course your own! For example, the "constructor" M. Klimov talked about reflections in ice and complained that this made detection difficult. And what kind of designer is this that could not eliminate or greatly weaken the re-reflection with the collective? About Poseidon - this is your opinion and nothing more ... Constructor is much smarter than people like you on VO. The development of various types of weapons begins with the justification and issuance of the assignment, and then R&D is carried out. Your article from the field is about the economy without specifics and with a bunch of assumptions, including about the actions of the leadership of Russia, which you really cannot know, I just keep silent about the calculations - there are none at all! You, even for an example, apparently cannot make them, in view of your qualifications? To do this, you need to be a good economist and know well the calculation of indicators of costs, profit, economic efficiency, etc.
                    1. +2
                      29 May 2019 07: 19
                      Quote: SETSET
                      The development of various types of weapons begins with the justification and issuance of the task, and then R & D is carried out.

                      Eugene, it makes me sad how sad it is to disappoint you, but I KNOW how justifications and assignments are made :))) Unlike you.
                      Quote: SETSET
                      Your article from the region - about the economy without specifics and with a bunch of assumptions

                      Clever is enough.
                      Quote: SETSET
                      You even for an example of their apparently can not do, in view of their qualifications?

                      It is because I know very well
                      Quote: SETSET
                      calculation of cost, profit, economic efficiency, etc.

                      I do not give any approximate calculations. But I give key parameters that affect the efficiency and profitability of the SMP. If you, for example, are not able to understand that we have the cost of icebreaking assistance, it also covers fuel savings and the Suez dues - what will the business plan give you? You can't figure out the 3 numbers
                2. 0
                  27 May 2019 18: 51
                  And the "Vanguard" does not have one "Deshman" warhead? And the "Poseidon" all of its capabilities immediately end precisely because of the presence of a nuclear power plant on board. Who would use it for anything other than nuclear war. What if they drown or drown themselves? And the contamination of water and terrain? All of its capabilities are purely theoretical, like Chubais's RosNano.
                  1. -3
                    27 May 2019 19: 00
                    vyser about Rosnano and Chubais classic - thanks neighing)))
                3. +1
                  28 May 2019 08: 42
                  Quote: Yarhann
                  It’s not necessary to evaluate this development so primitively - just like a bomb, it’s as stupid as evaluating an impact UAV, dropping bombs if possible - completely ignoring all its other capabilities

                  So, I somehow doubt that the Soviet admirals were very primitive individuals, and they were practically not allowed to cut the budget, no, of course they did something (as the Georgians say), but no more. Again, you can firmly believe in the exclusivity of the old Soviet development wrapped up today in a beautiful package and served as something for the supergood thing as always, but leave me the right to doubt it. Actually, this also applies to the Avangard missile defense system, I hope you are a thinking person and understand that the missile defense system is interesting in a massive salvo, so I have a question of how much it will cost a missile launcher missile launcher, and where to get the money to provide at least a few dozen volleys, because they’re not going (I hope) to drive shepherds through the desert, and for serious boys a single launch will not be a problem for interception. So vague doubts begin to torment me personally and not whether it was just another cut.
          2. +2
            27 May 2019 17: 31
            Quote: kapitan281271
            Andrey, don't you think that these are all the consequences of the irresistible belief of our chief in the supermega waffle from the Poseidon region "Peresvet".

            Honestly, here I see no connection. The same Poseidon should go to the United States, but clearly not by the NSR :))) Yes, neither the Poseidon infrastructure nor the other necessary for the NSR, nor the boats with him aboard (it looks like it still runs from the boats) clearly cannot help
            Quote: kapitan281271
            I am interested in your opinion, it could be more correct to invest such huge money in the modernization of Far Eastern ports, and finally bring the railway corridor to mind

            Everything is difficult here, because we have two SMPs, one from Murmansk to Dudinka, the second from Dudinka to Chukotka. As for me, we should now invest in the SMP to Dudinka, because it is there that the main northern delivery and export takes place. That is, I think, we should now focus on the SMP as an internal transport artery.
            But in general in the big Hamburg region - as you know, there is such a thing, a business plan is called. So it is necessary to compile them on alternative projects (SMP, development of the Far East, and so on and so forth) and there they have to decide. And, of course, not always guided by profitability, there are other factors there - the development of the same Far East is very important for the people who live there.
            1. +1
              28 May 2019 08: 50
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Andrey, don't you think that these are all the consequences of the irresistible belief of our chief in the supermega waffle from the Poseidon region "Peresvet".

              Honestly, here I see no connection. The same Poseidon should go to the United States, but clearly not by the NSR :))) Yes, neither the Poseidon infrastructure nor the other necessary for the NSR, nor the boats with him aboard (it looks like it still runs from the boats) clearly cannot help

              Andrei, I remembered about Poseidon not in the context of its delivery and provision, but in the sense of endless (as it were softer) dubious projects, mainly aimed at an elementary cut.
              Thanks for the answer, I look forward to your articles !!!!! hi
            2. 0
              29 May 2019 07: 16
              we should now focus on the NSR as an internal transport artery


              Moreover, it is clear that it is not always guided solely by profitability, there are other factors there - the development of the same Far East is very important for the people who live there.

              Here is a comment and a little more in the article ... I agree that today the NSR is most interesting for the Russian Federation, and only then possible customers from other countries. Understanding this point will lead us to the interesting conclusion that, apart from the Russian Federation itself, no one will invest in SMEs right now and say that after 5 years we will make a lot of money on SMEs. I think even with normal funding and a desire to develop the NSR to the Suez Canal, it will take 50 years since we run into the demographic factor ... Even if we build the infrastructure, someone must populate and operate it, and we have a small population in the Russian Federation the population of Siberia, the Far East and, of course, the regions of the North. So, for now, I agree that the NSR is more likely a business project of the Russian Federation for the Russian Federation and nothing more.
      2. 0
        28 May 2019 18: 47
        It's not even a mill ... ignorance of the fundamentals of the economy ....
    4. +4
      27 May 2019 09: 57
      Only the export of minerals, northern delivery and defense. It is in that order. The Northern Sea Route is certainly more of a pleasant bonus, but no more.
      1. +3
        27 May 2019 16: 19
        that’s precisely why it always existed under the USSR, then they scored it now if I am not mistaken, the cargo flow reached the level of 80s - that is, the maximum - but also mainly due to internal, rather than transit traffic. Transit transportation is a bonus, and as for me, either commercial or semi-state structures should focus on this with a focus on making a profit, and if there is a profit, then there will be a demand for NSR services. And of course, you can, at the expense of the Federal Security Service, date foreign ships through the NSR, this is from the same area as Roscosmos dates NASA engaged in the delivery of their astronauts and cargo to the ISS. If Roscosmos was a private office, I wouldn’t say a word, and so, at the expense of the budget, to carry Americans ... idiocy.
        1. +1
          27 May 2019 17: 20
          transit services need to be increased - this ourselves will greatly simplify and reduce the cost of navigation
          but for this you need to do something, reducing the problems identified by the author
          in the meantime, transit through the Northern Sea Route is a specific thing
          1. 0
            27 May 2019 17: 43
            as far as I was interested in one of the options, this is the creation of a semi-state joint-stock company that will carry out cargo transit via the NSR on ships built in the Russian Federation. It makes sense that without such a company there is no guarantee that someone will use the NSR for transit. The question is who will invest in the coastal infrastructure loot - I see only private capital with state participation. Yes, it will not be a cheap project - but it guarantees, firstly, the load on the coastal infrastructure, and secondly, the load on the vessels. And to build an unclaimed infrastructure from the budget in the future is stupid - that is, it is necessary to take on the logistics itself - when the commercial model for using the NSR starts working - then foreign investments will flow into the expansion of this joint-stock company both in the form of money and in the form of ships and companies with client base.
            That is, the conclusion is simple - we want transit through the NSR - we are building our shipping company and are participating in the competition in the freight market.
            The dumbest thing that can be done is a fully state-owned company - that is, coastal infrastructure will generate losses, and only shipowners will be the beneficiaries. I hope this will not happen.
            1. +3
              27 May 2019 17: 45
              There is no market on the Northern Sea Route. This is a private club
              but you need to create affordable ways to use it from the outside
              1. +2
                27 May 2019 19: 09
                moreover, here is the NSR market more precisely what is the NSR, Suez and etc. market in general - this is nonsense, there is a freight market. There is not a single shipping company that operates on the NSR and competes with other companies for the delivery of goods from China to the EU. The market for the delivery of goods from China to the EU - many players have not gone anywhere; until there is a shipping company that works exclusively on the NSR to have coastal infrastructure to provide such logistics, there is no need to talk about serious commercial use of this route. It is this company that will compete with its service in the freight market - and everything else is fantasy.
  2. +15
    27 May 2019 05: 50
    will not be able to compete
    Suez wiring costs and
    The NSR is not comparable .... Therefore, the NSR will remain our transport
    artery.
  3. +7
    27 May 2019 05: 55
    Yes, the question is not even in saving, but in speed of delivery. Now wins, the one who delivers faster, and 10-15 days is a good bonus.
    The northern route is being made for the most part for us, it is easier to drive our resources abroad, and a little more for China. Plus by itself for the military.
    1. +1
      27 May 2019 06: 01
      You will deliver X tons of cargo faster in a year. Suez is slower in a year 1000X tons of cargo.
    2. +1
      27 May 2019 06: 34
      Well, they clearly explained to you that it is not just the speed of delivery that matters, but the transport economy and its profit!
    3. +5
      27 May 2019 07: 00
      Quote: Bad
      Yes, the question is not even in saving, but in speed of delivery. Now wins, the one who delivers faster, and 10-15 days is a good bonus.

      No bonus. Perishable products do not carry there, and the purchased car will come from Asia to Europe for 4 a week or for 2 is not absolutely critical. The buyer at the port is not waiting for him.

      PS
      Auto RU. After the launch of the "second stage" of the Suez Canal, there will be no problems with traffic jams.
      1. +8
        27 May 2019 07: 30
        and then again with the Arabs you will stir up some kind of brawl and Suez will rise, and tryndyat around Africa ...
        1. +5
          27 May 2019 07: 49
          Quote: novel xnumx
          and then again with the Arabs you will stir up some kind of brawl and Suez will rise, and tryndyat around Africa ...

          Since 1979, we have peace, friendship, and chewing gum with Egypt. This time.
          Suez Canal and tourism is the source of the currency of Egypt. Who will refuse them. These are two.
          1. +1
            27 May 2019 17: 48
            so not only Egypt is there, there is also Somalia.
            and do not overestimate the role of the second stage - there is already so crowded from the movement, there is not much to add.
      2. 0
        27 May 2019 10: 24
        Quote: professor
        No bonus. Perishable products do not carry there, and the purchased car will come from Asia to Europe for 4 a week or for 2 is not absolutely critical. The buyer at the port is not waiting for him.


        Do you know what will happen to the car’s battery (if it’s not gel) at minus 45-50 in the hold of the ship following the NSR? The electrolyte will freeze, the banks will inflate (well, if they do not burst). Some structural elements (for example, plastic glued to a metal) burst, due to non-uniform thermal deformations, the coolant in the radiators will crystallize, which is why radiator tubes burst (because for Europe, the Chinese, by specification, pour antifreeze to -35 degrees), these are only those moments with which encountered during the exploitation of a car just below -35.
        For electronics, low temperatures are deadly for batteries.
        1. +3
          27 May 2019 11: 07
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          Do you know what will happen to the car battery (if it is not gel) with minus 45-50 in the hold of the ship following the NSR?

          There will be nothing:
          1. The minus 50 SMP is closed. Not a season.
          2. As the author correctly noted, the holds should be heated.
      3. 0
        29 May 2019 07: 19
        Problems with traffic jams can and be artificially created for this purpose, it is enough to draw Egypt into the Conflict with Israel more tightly and then shipping in the Suez Canal can simply become dangerous. wink
        1. +2
          29 May 2019 07: 26
          Quote: Alex2048
          Problems with traffic jams can and be artificially created for this purpose, it is enough to draw Egypt into the Conflict with Israel more tightly and then shipping in the Suez Canal can simply become dangerous. wink

          Yes Yes. The Egyptian fleet will be delighted by this and the US 6 fleet will be watching from the outside as someone tries to stir up water where it is not necessary.
          1. 0
            29 May 2019 07: 31
            Yes Yes. The Egyptian fleet will be delighted by this and the US 6 fleet will be watching from the outside as someone tries to stir up water where it is not necessary.

            Here the truth is on your side ... For such a trick (described by me above) you really need to count everything a hundred times ... well, for example, the leadership of the Kremlin should have iron eggs ... but for now neither one nor the other has been done. After all, if you try to drag Egypt and Israel into conflict, you need to shake up the entire structure of the Middle East ... but for now there are no economic prerequisites for this.
    4. +5
      27 May 2019 08: 07
      Quote: Bad
      Yes, the question is not even in saving, but in speed of delivery. Who wins, the one who delivers faster

      There's no such thing. Mainly consumer goods are delivered, and there is a completely different logistics, built on the principles of minimum residues. There is important not speed, but timeliness than, by the way, the SMP is lame
    5. +2
      27 May 2019 17: 05
      Sea transport is the slowest, but also the cheapest. If speed was the main objective, then between Europe and China railway and trucking would have gone off scale.
      1. +1
        27 May 2019 17: 52
        Do not underestimate the speed of the fleet - it is very impressive, especially when you see a container ship passing by.
        1. 0
          27 May 2019 18: 06
          Typically, merchant ships proceed at an average speed of about 15 knots. It is a little less than 30 km / h. For a huge ship, the speed is decent, but still can not be compared with the speed of railway and car.
          1. 0
            27 May 2019 18: 07
            not compare, but railway and cars do not always go all the time and often not in a straight line or with obstacles
          2. 0
            28 May 2019 00: 14
            Quote: Seaflame
            Typically, merchant ships proceed at an average speed of about 15 knots. It is a little less than 30 km / h. For a huge ship, the speed is decent, but still can not be compared with the speed of railway and car.

            Yes, but round the clock, and this is about 700 km.
    6. +4
      27 May 2019 18: 00
      Doubtful statement. The container ship on which I am now at a full speed of 23 knots and will not be restrained by the traditional way. In the northern way, he will nightmare 6-12 knots in a caravan behind an icebreaker. As a result, the north will be even slower.
      1. +2
        27 May 2019 18: 07
        And often does he use full speed? Usually they go in a more economical mode.
        1. +3
          27 May 2019 18: 13
          Recently, container ships began to move faster compared to post-crisis times. On average, 16-19 nodes, but quite often the freighter asks for a full turn.
          1. 0
            28 May 2019 00: 16
            Quote: cormorant
            Recently, container ships began to move faster compared to post-crisis times. On average, 16-19 nodes, but quite often the freighter asks for a full turn.

            So delivery speed is an important factor if you are ready to turn a blind eye to fuel overruns for its sake.
      2. +1
        27 May 2019 18: 08
        But what, does he go full, and not economic?
  4. +8
    27 May 2019 05: 58
    I agree with the author, it is not necessary to bring the project of the Northern Sea Route to the level of New Vasyukov comrade Bender.
  5. +2
    27 May 2019 05: 58
    Everything from Asia and America is transported to Europe by sea, in any case, across the Atlantic, and by land - through Asia and the BV. Let's see industrial logistics. In China, all the main production on the Pacific coast, and in the USA on the Atlantic oceans. It turns out that it is more profitable for China to carry goods to Europe through the NSR than the United States through Canada, Alaska and its territory to another ocean. Alaska Is that why China is promoting its silk road to Europe by land with high-speed trains - electric locomotives (fuel economy). Whether it will be cheaper than paying for icebreakers even with a free transition through SVP is not entirely clear. winked
    1. +5
      27 May 2019 07: 01
      Also there are thoughts about trains. The author is certainly well done, I read it with interest. Why emphasis on the NSR? In the states, three locomotives carry a caravan of wagons. In Japan, high-speed trains run with the clarity of hours. Is it really impossible to carry trains? Delivery would probably be faster. Each wagon has its own city without loading, unloading in ports. Or is our Russian Railways just stupidly bending prices? Well, of course they will say more about the price of energy, at least electro, at least solariums. But Russia should be profitable to carry wagons. It is also a lot of jobs. The development of metallurgy and car building. On some rails, bridges, wagons, wires, how much metal is needed. Maybe I'm stupid, but it seems to me that the transit of Russian Railways should be very beneficial to Russia. Transportation is year-round, with delivery to cities.
      1. +11
        27 May 2019 07: 48
        Quote: Mister Creed
        There are also thoughts about trains.

        Steamer in any case on the order is cheaper. Small tanker in deadweight 100 000 tons transports 1 500 tanks at a time, roughly 30 trains ... With that, the tanker is loaded and unloaded in 24 hours.
      2. +10
        27 May 2019 08: 09
        Quote: Mister Creed
        Maybe I'm stupid, but I think the transit of cargoes of Russian Railways should be very beneficial to Russia.

        Believe me, sea transport is many times cheaper than railway. Yes, and the carrying capacity of the railway is awful.
      3. +3
        27 May 2019 09: 22
        Or is our Russian Railways just stupidly bending prices? Well, of course they will say more about the price of energy, at least electro, at least solariums. But Russia should be profitable to carry wagons.


        For information from official sources of Russian Railways, the throughput capacity of the Trans-Siberian Railway is 108 pairs of trains,
        the capacity of the Muisky tunnel is 16 pairs of trains, and the detour (Muisky tunnel) is very slow and dangerous due to the steepness of the ascent of the Bam tracks.

        Here you have the entire railway line from Vladivostok to Tayshet (this is not far from Krasnoyarsk), but there is simply no other way.
      4. +7
        27 May 2019 10: 31
        Quote: Mister Creed
        But Russia should be profitable to carry wagons.


        Are you kidding me? Such horse prices, as on the Russian Railways still look!
        For comparison, the railway logistics of a 40-foot container through Kazakhstan will cost 20-25% cheaper than if you cross the border somewhere in the vicinity of the Zabaykalsk border station.
        And then such a railway transportation will cost $ 5000-6000 to the Urals, while sea transportation of the same 40-foot container from China to St. Petersburg or Novorossiysk - $ 2500 (to the port wall - transshipment in Russian ports, also ripping off), two are cheaper.
        1. +1
          27 May 2019 13: 51
          Currently, Russian Railways is not an operator of wagons, there are many carrier companies, depending on the type of wagons being operated. There is a rate of 10-01, the base to which carriers already levy their profits, and the base goes to Russian Railways, there are tracks, stations and station shunting
      5. +4
        27 May 2019 17: 57
        everything is bad with our railway.
        the infrastructure is very far from mass transportation - a lot of downtime.
        most of the roads are based on technologies of 50-60 years ago
        even the commonplace problem of operational loading and unloading at most stations does not solve
        about car hunger, it’s just some kind of anecdote.
        That is why the railway leadership is confidently pushing prices for passenger transportation to the level of aviation.
        They cannot transport much - they try to raise prices in order to compensate for the volume.
        And the local railway transportation is generally failed - everywhere the train routes are canceled, the stations are closing.
        1. -4
          28 May 2019 01: 22
          Quote: yehat
          everything is bad with our railway.

          Baltic, dill? request
          Quote: yehat
          And the local railway transportation is generally failed - everywhere the train routes are canceled, the stations are closing.

          belay The trouble is ... Apparently, some harsh tambourine or .... request
      6. +2
        27 May 2019 18: 25
        The cheapest form of transport is pipelines, the next one is maritime and only then railway. So in any situation it is more expensive to carry wagons.
    2. 0
      27 May 2019 18: 10
      flow from China to Europe and vice versa is also possible through Sevmore
      Moreover, a century ago, the Germans actively used the help of Russia for their movements in the Qingdao and Port Arthur regions.
  6. +8
    27 May 2019 06: 09
    But today or in the foreseeable future, the Northern Sea Route will not be able to compete with classical routes through the Suez Canal in any case, alas.

    My father worked all his life on the ships of the river fleet with the duration of navigation 5-6 months. And I will tell you from memory that there was no particular moaning about the need for a river fleet.
    There will probably be no competition with the Suez Canal, because the tasks of the JMP are completely different. In addition, do you not know that all resort cities live off the holiday season (in Russia in particular). The NSR is designed so that navigation is practically present in four months, and can be continued with climate change. And then there is the danger of "hot Somali guys" and instability in the BV, which threatens to block the passage through the Suez Canal.
    So, we won’t talk about the foreseeable future ...
    1. +12
      27 May 2019 07: 10
      Quote: ROSS 42
      And then there is the danger of "hot Somali guys" and instability in the BV, which threatens to block the passage through the Suez Canal.

      Remember how the SMP developed when, as a result of the Six Day War, the Suez Canal was closed for years? Do not remember? That's right, driving ships around Africa turned out to be cheaper than passing by the Northern Sea Route. I think that says it all.
      1. 0
        27 May 2019 18: 00
        you are replacing reasons.
        90% of the ships would simply not be allowed through the NSR then - it does not matter whether it’s cheap or expensive to sail.
        Moreover, the USSR itself developed the NSR and did not particularly need outside assistance.
    2. 0
      27 May 2019 08: 10
      Quote: ROSS 42
      My father worked all his life on the ships of the river fleet with the duration of navigation 5-6 months. And I will tell you from memory that there was no particular moaning about the need for a river fleet.

      That's right, because the delivery was carried out during the period of navigation, and upon its completion only other modes of transport remained. Now imagine that your father’s navigation is over, and a year-round freezing river passes by, along which competitors deliver / export.
    3. 0
      27 May 2019 18: 35
      Information about Somali pirates is already quite outdated. At the moment, Somali pirates are almost exhausted. I don’t know what was done. Most likely they began to smash the infrastructure on the shore ... About 8 years ago, almost a day, they captured the ship. Now there are practically no seizures, and even there have been no attacks for months.
      1. +1
        28 May 2019 13: 07
        I do not know what was done. Most likely they began to destroy the infrastructure on the coast


        Eric Prince, with the money of the UAE, formed a brigade of mercenaries and they naturally cut out all life on the coast of Somalia in those regions where the pirates mainly worked from.

        Has long been.
  7. +2
    27 May 2019 06: 34
    The author completely forgot about the climatic factor, and yet he is decisive in this matter. The area of ​​the Arctic ice cap is shrinking every year, and this is a fact with which it is foolish to argue. Moreover, the rate of ice melting was higher than predicted. This means only one thing - ships will soon not need an ice class to pass through the NSR.
    1. +8
      27 May 2019 07: 11
      You tell this to those who work in the Arctic, about ice reduction.
    2. +4
      27 May 2019 07: 34
      Quote: Fyodor Kolokoltsev
      The author has completely forgotten about the climatic factor, and in fact he is decisive in this matter. The area of ​​the Arctic ice cap is reduced every year, and it is a fact with which to argue is silly.

      He did not forget anything, maybe you read from left to right? Or, too, "a lot of bukff", like the top speaker?
      Indeed - we have a lot of scientists here who are predicting global warming, but then the conditions of movement along the NSR should significantly improve ... But should they? The fact is that reducing the level of ice does not necessarily have to facilitate navigation. Ice conditions can become even more unpredictable, because such warming can increase the number of icebergs.

      Thank you for the article, he himself repeatedly thought about the benefits of the SMP.
    3. +11
      27 May 2019 08: 12
      Quote: Fyodor Kolokoltsev
      The author completely forgot about the climatic factor

      The author has devoted a whole section of the article to warming.
      Quote: Fyodor Kolokoltsev
      This means only one thing - ships will not need ice class for passing through the NSR soon.

      I will say this to you - when the ships on the Northern Sea Route do not need an ice class, the Northern Sea Route and Suez will also not be needed, for the simple reason that Europe will then rest at the bottom of the sea crying
    4. 0
      27 May 2019 12: 39
      By the middle of the 21 century, it is predicted that in the summer months the Arctic will be almost free of ice (only a small accumulation of floating ice up to 0,5 thick in the region of the geographic north pole), but in the winter months the area covered by ice will be only slightly less than the present (although they average thickness and shrink). And the duration of these seasons, by itself, will not change. Those. the ice will become seasonal. In other words, the ice situation in the North Ocean (no longer Arctic) will be approximately as it is now on Lake Ladoga. The road of life, after all ...
      1. +1
        27 May 2019 14: 39
        Quote: Pushkowed
        By the middle of the 21 century, it is predicted that in the summer months the Arctic will be almost free of ice

        In this case, what is the forecast of flooding of the northern territories of Russia? What will happen to Murmansk with the warming of the Arctic? Will the territories with permafrost turn into swamps?
        “Currently, due to permafrost degradation, up to 60 percent of objects in Igarka, Dixon, Khatanga are deformed, to 100 percent - in the villages of the Taimyr Autonomous Okrug, 22 percent - in Tiksi, 55 percent - in Dudinka, 50 percent - in Pevek and Amderme , about 40 percent - in Vorkuta "

        https://lenta.ru/articles/2016/11/01/globalwarming/
        All this will outweigh all the advantages of the SMP. And why did they build a new base?
        1. +1
          27 May 2019 15: 36
          1. From melting floating ice - there will be no flooding. The simplest experiment: if you throw ice in a glass of water and measure the level before melting and after melting, then the levels will be the same. (More precisely, due to the difference in the density of salt and fresh ice, there will still be a slight increase, but it is literally millimeters from the current sea level).
          2. Sea level rise depends on melting continental of ice. Greenland can give 6-7 meters, Antarctica - 60-70 meters, other glaciers (permafrost, highlands) - a few more meters. More than 80 meters, the level will not rise even theoretically (if you do not take into account the water dissolved in the mantle - although it can rise due to volcanism, but this process takes tens or even hundreds of millions years old). However, it is not so easy to melt Antarctica, even if it is done on purpose. By 2100, the most ambitious forecasts give no more than 10-12 meters of increase relative to the current level (for comparison: around 4000 BC, i.e. by the end of Atlantic warming, sea level was already rising by 1-3 meters above present). In general, the coastline will not change much.
          3. The melted permafrost will really become something like a swamp. Vasyugan swamp (the largest in the world) - the former permafrost, melted from 10000 to 500 years ago. And nothing prevents to pump oil there. When developing the North, it is necessary to take into account the expected rise in sea level and build on bedrock (in Norilsk a half-city stands on it - and nothing). In general, the benefits of the NSR, although they do not compensate for the damage to the already built cities (Norilsk, Bilibino ...), but the opportunity to develop these territories will overpower the damage. And the NSR is just a transport corridor for this.
          1. +1
            27 May 2019 15: 55
            Quote: Pushkowed
            From melting floating ice - flooding will not.

            I do not understand why, when melting floating ice, continental ones will not melt.
            Quote: Pushkowed
            Greenland can give 6-7 meters,

            It's a lot. Such countries as the Netherlands come full kaput.
            Quote: Pushkowed
            When developing the North, one should take into account the expected rise in sea level and build on the bedrock

            That's just heard about the benefits of warming, and the minuses prefer to get round.
            1. 0
              28 May 2019 08: 10
              All will melt (and are already melting) at the same time. Greenland alone will not melt - only together with Antarctica and with all other foci of permafrost (the term "eternal" is no longer applicable to it).
              The current situation is a kind of "early spring" in the geological sense. Over the past 30 years, the average thickness of floating ice in the Arctic has decreased by about 2 times, although the area of ​​their distribution has decreased slightly (obviously not by 2 times). The average annual temperature of permafrost also increased during this period from approximately -15 to -5 degrees. Still negative, but much closer to the active melting line. The process will accelerate.
              Countries like the Netherlands will be full caput
              And not just them. Humanity is generally attached to the coastlines. 30% of the population (which is over 2 billion people) live no further than 50km from the sea-ocean, and they all face a flood.
              That's just heard about the benefits of warming, and the minuses prefer to get round.
              Just the opposite! Everyone just does what they scream about problem global warming, are competing in the horror of predictions and are desperate to figure out how to stop it. But so far, all the invented methods are reduced to the idea of ​​"consume less", i.e. to abandon the development of mankind and, in fact, return to the Middle Ages, when the grass was greener, there was no terrible global warming, the position of the masters of life was hereditary, and slaves were injected on the plantations ...
              But the benefits of global warming are preferred to remain silent. Because Russia is essentially the only major geopolitical player to benefit from this. Yes, you will have to donate St. Petersburg, but now 60% of the territory of Russia is essentially unsuitable for economic activities due to the climate, and their development will be compensation that will cover any losses many times. Other countries will suffer an order of magnitude more serious damage, and there is nowhere to expect similar compensation from.
  8. +6
    27 May 2019 06: 44
    One can agree with the author, the development of the NSR is a purely Russian project. It is determined not so much by economic factors, but by the national security of the state. This was understood back in Soviet times, everyone remembers the tragedy and epic of the ship Chelyuskin. If we can bring shipping for Russian ships to an acceptable stable level, then the internationals themselves will catch up, albeit seasonally at the beginning.
    1. +3
      27 May 2019 08: 02
      Quote: Strashila
      It was understood in the times of the USSR, everyone remembers the tragedy and the epic of the ship Chelyuskin.

      That's right, and after all Chelyuskin is an icebreaking-type steamer, and he left Murmansk to Vladik on August 2.
  9. +1
    27 May 2019 06: 47
    Improvement of port and transport infrastructures, development of Arctic deposits, new enterprises. And the "redrawing" of sea routes is practically impossible and unnecessary.
    In the words of Vladimir Ilyich, "We will go ... the Northern Sea Route."
    And for some reason I recalled the development of Tselina. The company was still the same.
    BUT ... the West "slammed" the construction of Baikonur.
  10. -3
    27 May 2019 06: 48
    When he wrote stupidity; month to break 3-4 m ice with huge icebreakers, I was mistaken, but you can use the Chukchi sled and put ships on their sled with an air cushion, and drive along the Northern Sea Route on ice in a couple of days or a week
  11. +2
    27 May 2019 06: 59
    I am a supporter of ice solder of several thousand km. This will save the nature of the North, and will save from penetration
    strangers to us. During the Second World War, German warships entered the Kara Sea.
  12. +6
    27 May 2019 07: 09
    Experienced ice captains say that any clear water route is preferable to the shortest route in years. Navigation in the early 80s (more precisely, I will not say the year, because I forgot) on the NSR, when the merchant fleet heroically made its way from the eastern sector of the Arctic to the west with the help of icebreakers only confirms this wisdom. Also from the fresh passage of the newly built tanker of the "Bay" series of XNUMX, like the Amur Bay, but this is not accurate. So this tanker, passing from east to west, immediately went to the dock after unloading, because serious damage to the hull appeared. Nevertheless, the NSR is developing - this is both Prirazlomnaya and Yamal LNG.
    Oh, and this hard work is work in the Arctic. The sea does not forgive mistakes, and the Arctic even more so.
  13. -2
    27 May 2019 07: 23
    Icebergs, EMNIP, do not break away from ice fields, but from glaciers. In this case, the glaciers of Greenland.
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  15. +4
    27 May 2019 07: 43
    Andrey, that's right ... I wanted to reflect something similar in the commentary on Kuzovkov’s article, but I realized that the comment would be too voluminous.
    1. +4
      27 May 2019 08: 42
      Quote: parusnik
      I wanted to reflect something similar in the comments on Kuzovkov’s article, but I understood that the comment would be too lengthy.

      So I got exactly the same feeling - and this article appeared :))) hi
  16. +3
    27 May 2019 07: 44
    An adequate article, in my opinion, SMP should be developed primarily to ensure our economic projects in the far north and the population living there, and commercial navigation, the second thing, by the way, I read somewhere that during Stalin’s time there was an idea to dig channels between rivers flowing into the Arctic Ocean to ensure Northern import and export of minerals
  17. +1
    27 May 2019 07: 58
    Although the author very correctly described all the shortcomings of the Northern Sea Route, he did not mention the main one this route mainly for Russia for the export of liquefied gas.
    1. +4
      27 May 2019 08: 14
      Quote: certero
      he did not mention the main one this way mainly for Russia for exporting liquefied gas

      But why? I am writing in the conclusions that we definitely need the SMP for the export of minerals and for the supply of northerners
  18. 0
    27 May 2019 08: 03
    Excellent overview. I only have two small additions. In the beginning, about the "free" - icebreakers conduct ships for themselves quite real money, which essentially goes to the state. Of course, no one directly sets the price per mile traveled in inland waters, but there will be indirect fees.
    And one more, from my point of view, an important factor is ecology. Increased traffic will increase the risk of pollution of the Arctic seas at times!
    And if this path is already opened for the world community, then it is only subject to the work of its own ships and, accordingly, crews.
    1. +4
      27 May 2019 08: 15
      Quote: wellaut
      And one more, from my point of view, an important factor is ecology. Increased traffic will increase the risk of pollution of the Arctic seas at times!

      For a moment, imagine the collapse of a supertanker with oil on the NSR ... belay This is just a super-disaster will be ecological, the north in general can not lick such wounds, the ecosystem is not adapted for this
      1. 0
        27 May 2019 10: 29
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        For a second, let’s imagine the collapse of a supertanker with oil at the NSR ... It’s just a super catastrophe, it’s ecological, the north doesn’t know how to lick such wounds, the ecosystem is not suitable for this

        Is the ecosystem adapted to the disaster for the oil / gas production platform?
      2. 0
        27 May 2019 22: 06
        It’s necessary to make a movie about it. Megablockbuster. And the second one about the adventures of Somali pirates, insidiously abandoned on an SMP by an American submarine.
  19. +1
    27 May 2019 08: 37
    The logical conclusion ..., the article is quite reasonable.
  20. -2
    27 May 2019 08: 38
    At one time, the Inquisition sent people to the bonfire for bold thoughts. Andryusha from Chelyabinsk when will you start?
  21. 0
    27 May 2019 09: 07
    Quote: ROSS 42

    There may be no competition with the Suez Canal ... And then there is the danger of "hot Somali guys" and instability in the BV, which threatens to block the passage through the Suez Canal.
    So, we won’t talk about the foreseeable future ...

    An interesting remark about BV.
    But what will prevent our leaders from organizing a long war for the sake of blocking the Suez Canal? Yes, even with the help of pirates?
    Conscience? If the benefits of the NSR (and expensive oil) will be worth it?
    1. 0
      27 May 2019 11: 14
      Quote: wellaut
      But what will prevent our leaders from organizing a long war for the sake of blocking the Suez Canal?

      And how much will it cost?! Then, perhaps, round-the-world delivery will be cheaper ?! lol
  22. +6
    27 May 2019 10: 07
    An absolutely fair analysis is the NSR of pure water projection and an economic adventure.

    One can only add that the ice situation in the Barents Sea has been complicated since October.
    The process of ice formation begins first of all in the northwestern part of the Bering Sea, where ice appears in October and gradually moves south. In the Bering Strait, ice appears in September. In winter, the strait is filled with continuous beaten ice drifting to the north.
    .
    Another climatic feature of the Barents Sea is a complex intense stormy environment:
    With the southerly winds, here comes the polar marine, and sometimes tropical marine air. Above the sea, mainly the masses of the continental arctic and marine polar air interact at the border of which an arctic front forms. It is located somewhat north of the Aleutian arc and extends generally from the southwest to the northeast. On the frontal section of these air masses, cyclones form, moving approximately along the front to the northeast. The movement of these cyclones contributes to the strengthening of the northerly winds in the west and their weakening, or even a change to southerly in the east of the sea. Large pressure gradients caused by the Yakut spur of the Siberian anticyclone and the Aleutian minimum cause very strong winds in the western part of the sea. During storms, wind speed often reaches 30-40 m / s. Typically, storms last about a day, but sometimes they, with some weakening, last 7–9 days. The number of days with storms in the cold season is 5-10, sometimes it reaches 15-20 per month.

    That is, the probability of getting into a strong storm from October to April in the Barents Sea is 15-60%

    What in the warmer months?
    in warm seasons, southwest, south, and southeast winds prevail, the frequency of which is 30-60%. Their speed in the western part of the open sea is 4-6 m / s, and in the eastern regions - 4-7 m / s. In the coastal zone, wind speed is less. The decrease in wind speeds compared to winter values ​​is explained by a decrease in atmospheric pressure gradients above the sea. In summer, the Arctic front shifts south of the Aleutian Islands. Here cyclones arise, with the passage of which a significant increase in winds is associated. In summer, the frequency of storms and wind speeds is less than in winter. Only in the southern part of the sea, where tropical cyclones (typhoons) penetrate, do they cause severe storms with hurricane-force winds. Typhoons in the Bering Sea are most likely from June to October, are usually observed no more than once a month and last several days.


    That is, in the warmer months, the northern part of the Barents Sea is calmer, but to the south there is a high probability of typhoons - the warmer, the greater the probability.
    http://proznania.ru/?page_id=2382
  23. +3
    27 May 2019 10: 16
    Thanks to the author for his efforts, very interesting and informative)
  24. -9
    27 May 2019 10: 28
    empty chatter as usual. I don’t understand why to print this nonsense. remember the author if you want to state your point of view, then you can just confine yourself to one phrase - is it good or not. and if you want us to believe you, please be so kind as to depict your thoughts in the form of mathematical formulas that would clearly indicate the fidelity of your thoughts. and so you started well and with numbers and then you were drawn to some sort of jungle of philosophy and assumptions :) in general, I started for health and finished for peace :) but in general, if you can't afford it, just write it!
  25. +2
    27 May 2019 11: 00
    Quote: Town Hall
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    For a second, let’s imagine the collapse of a supertanker with oil at the NSR ... It’s just a super catastrophe, it’s ecological, the north doesn’t know how to lick such wounds, the ecosystem is not suitable for this

    Is the ecosystem adapted to the disaster for the oil / gas production platform?

    And this refers to the issue of responsibility. The platforms have an appropriate level of security that is monitored.
    And we are offered to let all those who feel like it on the NSR.
    Do you know how much real scrap metal is involved in the transportation of goods in the oceans? No insurance will cover. And shipowners save and will save on everything, on the technical condition of 100%. We went through this - when will the ordered spare parts be sent for repair? - "next port", and the shit spill now.
  26. +6
    27 May 2019 11: 30
    DimerVladimer (Dmitry Vladimirovich), dear, you wrote about the Barents Sea just great. In the Kara Sea and further east, even more fun.
    Andrey, thank you for the article. At present, the NSR is practically destroyed, if satellites can somehow help with the meteorological and hydrological situation, then there are no forces or means to carry out a rescue operation on a tanker somewhere east of Novaya Zemlya in the Russian Federation. nesterencko.valera2012 (Valery Nesterenko) is right to 202%, we do not have in our government and around it, those who think at least 10 years ahead. I wrote on the website about the deplorable state of the White Sea-Baltic Canal; along the Northern Dvina, even the low-sitting "Nikolai Vasilyevich Gogol" rises a little higher than Novodvinsk on weekend cruises, and they forgot the Northern Dvina and Sukhona, when ships regularly traveled along them from Arkhangelsk to Veliky Ustyug. Remembering RTOs, many commentators pointed out that the Volga for many months was almost a sparrow up to its knees. The naval fleet was sold under flags, and the river fleet was practically killed in the Russian Federation in the 90s and 2000s ... It is much more profitable to bury millions in swamps, patching roads every year: both work is constantly and budget money ...
  27. +1
    27 May 2019 11: 37
    but what kind of commercial company will be able to guarantee that the conflict between the Russian Federation and the Western world will not intensify and will not lead to some form of economic war making the passage of the NSR unprofitable? Say, some monstrous port dues for ships that are unable to present a “receipt” of passage through the Suez Canal?

    It will be so, even worse.
    If we assume that any company decided to drive its vessels through the NSR, then with a probability of 99% of the United States will impose sanctions against it. (1% on yellowstone explosion).
    The United States is already imposing sanctions on companies that provide ships for the construction of SP-2.
    The author’s conclusion that the NSR is a purely national path is absolutely correct.
    Its use by other countries (the same China) is possible if they develop natural resources in the Arctic and they need a route for the export of raw materials.
  28. +4
    27 May 2019 12: 02
    The author raised an important topic. Not much with terminology.
    That's right about the class of the ship, but I think that even ships with an ice class will break down and require repair. In particular, a screw-steering group, and this is docking for a lot of money.
    On oil tankers, cargo transporting oil and oil products requires heating. On chemical carriers, the same problem. When leaving the loading port in the tropical zone, they do not warm the cargo for several days, then they warm it at the transition, depending on the type of cargo. If the load cools down, it is a tragedy. Digging it out of the tanks is something. There was a case. They brought paraffin, came to the port of Europe, winter. In the manifold, the cargo froze, unloading stopped. Heated with steam, two days simple. And this is a decent amount. Of course, you can heat everything, but what kind of boilers will be and what fuel consumption ???
    The crew is the last. I don’t know about Russian crews, but in the western merchant fleet the salary does not depend on frost.
    In the USSR, there was a practice of transporting goods in high latitudes. Basically, the export of balance from Igarka and a number of other ports. So that's it. Ships before Arctic navigation, mainly timber carriers, were put for repairs. Preparing for the Arctic. The icebreaker was gathering the convoy. And the transition began. Then there were many diesel-electric icebreakers in operation, mostly of Finnish construction. Navigation began in the spring and ended with the very first "flies". Snow. Then the exit was not possible. The ships in the convoy got stuck in the ice, the icebreaker rescued them from the ice captivity. Nuclear icebreakers pierced the channel, and after them there was large crushed ice. The merchant ship will not pass. Therefore, the icebreaker was following the nuclear one. Often it was necessary to take a merchant ship "on the mustache", i.e. fasten to the icebreaker with ropes. In general, Arctic navigation is a laborious and very complicated business. It is not the Chinese and the euro to carry to the North Pole.
  29. kig
    +5
    27 May 2019 12: 42
    I would venture to add my five cents to the factor No queues. During his naval life, he had to go through the Suez Canal about thirty times, and NEVER had to wait for any turn. You approach Port Said at midnight, and at 4 o'clock you enter the canal from the north. After lunch, however, I had to stand 3-5 hours in the Big Gorky Lake, waiting for the passage of the oncoming caravan from the south. Well, if you come to Suez early in the morning, then you immediately go to the canal from the south side. By the way, starting in 2015, it is no longer necessary to expect a discrepancy with the oncoming caravan, the modest Egyptians quietly plowed themselves a parallel section of the canal.
  30. +5
    27 May 2019 12: 54
    I must say a sensible article that set a good tone for comments, and the comments are very good, which is a rarity for this site ... the article is good in that, one way or another, it raises a lot of really unpleasant questions, and from the most unpleasant practical side, which enthusiasts and "patriots" try not to notice, it would be necessary to have more such articles .... high-quality skepticism.
  31. +1
    27 May 2019 12: 54
    Geopolitical factor: The Arctic is a closed water area. 6 countries have access to it: Russia, USA (via Alaska), Canada, Denmark (via Greenland), Iceland, Norway. How many are NATO members? Five.
    There are four exits from the Arctic to the oceans: through the Bering Strait, through the Smith Strait (between Greenland and Canada), through the Danish Strait (Greenland - Iceland) and the widest one characterized by one phrase: Faroe-Islamic milestone... So after all, the Arctic is whose inner lake? Russian or NATO? From a geopolitical point of view, in the event of a conflict, it will become not a "quiet backwater", but a "hot spot", so this must be taken into account.
    And more: where ships and vessels from Southeast Asia, for example from China, along the Northern Sea Route can be sent? (Considering, what countries have access to it.) If not to Russia, then to its "partners". Does Russia need such "guests" in the Arctic during a threatened period?
  32. +2
    27 May 2019 14: 14
    Competent article. There is nothing to find fault with. Maybe that's why in the USSR they didn't do nonsense. They used the NSR only in their own interests. And now "effective managers" "cut" something, "launder" something, and this is something very similar to loot! And there, taking into account the construction of icebreakers and other infrastructure, including mobile nuclear power plants - trillions, if not tens of trillions of money.
  33. +2
    27 May 2019 14: 19
    For this business to be beneficial to everyone, it is necessary that our companies provide transportation and provide a comprehensive service. Our wiring, our insurance, our ships with our teams and. T. D. And there are too many risks for foreigners

    I liked the article. Many thanks to the author
  34. -2
    27 May 2019 14: 29
    Northern Sea Route. Many of our fellow citizens believe that this is the main transport artery of the future ...


    Why did you decide this? Our people are mostly adequate. For some reason, this thought occurred to you, and you decided to argue with yourself.

    The title of the article separately amused.

    Northern Sea Route. World transport future or grand projecting?


    NSR is not an engineering structure or some kind of project of the future. This is a line on a geographic map along the northern coast of the Eurasian continent. It was held a long time ago. Did you not know? So open the map and see. And ships along this coast go almost a hundred years. Constantly and in large quantities. Not bothering with the presence of the Suez Canal. I am sure no captain had the idea to make the transition from Murmansk to Magadan or Vladivostok to Pevek via the Suez Canal.

    As for the international use of this route, the opinion of big business and politicians does not coincide with the opinion of "Andrey from Chelyabinsk" and "Professor" from Israel. Perhaps because they did not read this article.

    The Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Canadians and Americans show particular interest in the use of the NSR. The latter are even trying to push for the NSR the status of "international" with equal access for all. Apparently because they are "stupid". But the rest, it seems, no ...
    1. +1
      27 May 2019 17: 44
      Quote: crashing
      How did you decide that?

      From publications and replicas to HE
      Quote: crashing
      The SMP is not an engineering structure or some kind of future project. This is a line on a geographical map along the northern coast of the Eurasian continent.

      M-dya. And before you teach the author, did you try to study the materiel?
      The NSR is not a "line on the map". The NSR is a transport route that includes both infrastructure (ports, etc.) and ships (icebreakers and vessels of high ice classes). Therefore, this is exactly a project that can be developed depending on our needs. For example, if we restrict ourselves to internal use, then it is enough to build infrastructure / icebreakers for one volume and up to Dudinka. If - for an international project - then to Chukotka and a completely different volume.
      Quote: crashing
      She had a long time ago. You did not know? So open the map and see.

      How to be polite? Your irony looks very childish.
      Quote: crashing
      And the ships along this coast go almost hundred years. Constantly and in large quantities. Do not bother with the presence of the Suez Canal.

      Yes, in large. For the year, the NSR passes cargo less than in Suezu in 3 days
      Quote: crashing
      As for the international use of this route, the opinion of big business and politicians does not coincide with the opinion of "Andrey from Chelyabinsk" and "Professor" from Israel.

      Matches all 100% - so they almost do not go SMP
      1. +2
        27 May 2019 21: 26
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        How to be polite? Your irony looks very childish.


        That you set the tone for the conversation with the first phrase of your article. And keep sticking to it.

        Speaking about the NSR, you either do not understand what you are writing about, or you are deliberately manipulating concepts.

        If you are talking about the NSR as a national economic complex, then it was created as a tool for the development of the northern territories of the Soviet Union. Its development was determined by the needs of the economy of our country. And the presence or absence of the Suez or Panama Canals did not play any role in the development of the NSR. Currently, the situation has not changed. The development of the NSR as a territorial-industrial complex generally does not depend on the presence or absence of the Suez Canal. Basically. And it is determined only by the economic realities of Russia.

        With the same success, one can talk about the dependence of trade between Korea and the USA or India and Japan on cargo turnover through the Suez Canal.

        If the conversation is about the NSR, how about transport corridor what does the development of coastal infrastructure and the availability of ports have to do with it? The ship enters and leaves the "transport corridor" in the Bering Strait near Murmansk. It's like an aviation corridor. The plane took off from one airport and landed at another. The economic development of the intermediate territory does not affect the flight conditions. And does not develop the territory over which the plane flies.
        We need infrastructure for the functioning of the corridor itself. It doesn’t matter if one ship passes a week or ten a day.

        Thus, the development of the NSR does not depend on whether the Suez Canal exists or not.

        And now the real facts.

        in March 2017, the Christophe de Margerie tanker, with a length of 299, a width of 50, a draft of 13 meters and an ice class Arc7, made a test pass along the technological channel to the port of Sabetta.

        The same tanker, in the navigation of 2017, made a transit flight with a batch of liquefied natural gas from Norway to South Korea, having passed the NSR in 6,5 days.

        The tankers Boris Vilkitsky, Eduard Toll and Fedor Litke, similar in size, to December 2017 - January 2018, they independently passed the NSR from east to west.

        In February-March 2018, tankers began to export liquefied natural gas from the port of Sabetta in the independent navigation mode.

        https://goarctic.ru/travel/vozmozhen-li-bezopasnyy-sevmorput/

        In the United States and China began to build icebreakers.
        In China and Korea, there are gas carriers, tankers, and ice class container ships.

        This suggests that there are various categories of goods that are advantageously transported using the NSR, and the nomenclature and volume of these goods will only increase regardless of the Suez Canal.

        Although, as the Professor correctly noted, bananas are unlikely to be included in this list.
        1. 0
          28 May 2019 00: 48
          [quote = crash] You set the tone for the conversation with the first phrase of your article [/ quote]
          I write about what I see. SMEs have been consistently described in publications as the future of the world. So I did not ask any tone. And in the comment - yes, well, so on Senka and hat
          [quote = crash] Speaking of the SMP, you either do not understand what you are writing, or consciously manipulate concepts.
          Nonsense, from the word complete. Just someone, we will not show a finger, I wanted to ponder, but, gadstvo, did not work, but now you have to get out. In vain, you better be silent, honest word
          [quote = crash] If you are talking about the NSR as an economic complex, it was created as a tool for developing the northern territories of the Soviet Union. [/ quote]
          And now we do not have the USSR, but we have the Russian Federation, and this Russian Federation inherited this very "national economic complex." The Russian Federation lost a significant part of it (collapsed), put something into operation itself, but the fact is that today it is in no way connected with the tasks of the USSR
          And now we read
          [quote] Freight traffic along the Northern Sea Route (NSR) is expected to grow to 2024 million tons by 80. To achieve this goal, the government was instructed to develop and by October 1, 2018 approve a comprehensive plan for the modernization and expansion of the trunk infrastructure. This is stated in the decree of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin "On national goals and strategic objectives of the development of the Russian Federation for the period until 2024." The document was published on the Kremlin website. [/ Quote]
          Do you seriously believe that we will raise it to 80 mln tonnes with our own transportation? :))) Considering the fact that for the time being we are carrying several million tons a year? :))))
          [quote = crash] And now the real facts. [/ quote]
          That is the real fact.
          [quote = crash] in March 2017, the tanker Christophe de Margerie, having a length of 299, a width of 50, a draft of 13 meters and an Arc7 ice class, made a test passage through the technological channel to the port of Sabetta. [/ quote]
          That's right, and our icebreakers are also being built. For the export of liquefied gas, that is, strictly for our export shipments. That is, you gave an example of the most useless - it is not related to the topic of discussion.
        2. kig
          +1
          28 May 2019 02: 41
          Quote: crashing
          In China and Korea, there are gas carriers, tankers, and ice class container ships.

          You forgot to mention that gas carriers and ice class tankers are being built by order of our oil producing companies. And I didn’t hear something about container ships
  35. -2
    27 May 2019 14: 35
    From the point of view of elementary erudition, everything is true and logical - if a country occupies the most non-complimentary place in the global system of distribution of civilizational activity, then this is, in this position, the most demanded type of business activity - to carry chestnuts out of fire for privileged subjects of the world distribution of labor ..). If China or the EU countries from each transport of the last NSR will rake, relatively speaking, .. 300 kopecks have arrived, then the courier for chestnuts .. 000 broken pennies, .. - the feed in the global food chain is more expensive and not worth it, although, admittedly , this is an adequate price for the current servile Kremlin management ..)
  36. +5
    27 May 2019 15: 11
    Another point in the icebreaker assistance of ships along the NSR is the dimensions. A large part of the ships sailing from the ports of Southeast Asia are container ships. Modern sea container ships are divided into several classes - Sub-Panamax Class - 2500-4000 TEU, Panamax Class - 4000-7000 TEU, Post-Panamax Class - 7000-13000 TEU, Super-Post-Panamax Class / E-class - more than 13000 TEU , Triple E-class - 18000 TEU (Maersk Line Company). The largest width of icebreakers 22220 (which for the next 30 years will become the main icebreakers of the NSR) is 34 meters. Only the "smallest" of the indicated vessels - Sub-Panamax Class - have a similar width. These vessels have a maximum length of 294 m, a width of 32,2 m and a draft of 12 m, these restrictions are related to the size of the lock chambers of the Panama Canal. Panamax Class is already 49 meters wide, i.e. it is one and a half times wider than "Arctic", "Siberia" and "Ural". It is clear that an icebreaker with a maximum width of 34 meters will no longer be able to navigate such a vessel, not to mention the larger ships - the Super-Post-Panamax Class 56 meters wide, or the Triple E-class monster 400 meters long and 59 meters wide. The icebreaker "Leader", planned for construction, will not solve the problem of escorting these vessels either, since its width (according to data from open sources) is 47,7 meters.
    Therefore, I join the opinion of the colleagues cited above - the NSR is, first of all, the inland waterway of Russia, and this should be the starting point.
    1. +2
      27 May 2019 17: 32
      That's right, I missed that moment.
      1. +1
        27 May 2019 21: 06
        There is an interesting answer to the problem of the width of the path being made - an asymmetric icebreaker.
        https://phys.org/news/2013-08-asymmetric-ice-breaker-ship-larger-path.html
    2. kig
      +1
      28 May 2019 02: 39
      About the length and width.
      In the Far East there is such a port of De Kastri, which is hardly a port. Nevertheless, timber is exported from there to China, and there the pipeline from Sakhalin ends there, there is an oil storage and the so-called GP, a remote single-point pier

      from which the tanker is loaded. Tankers, by the way, although they do not go to the Arctic, however, they have the ice class Ice-1C, which corresponds to our class L2 - independent navigation in the shallow rarefied ice of the non-Arctic seas and in solid ice behind an icebreaker with an ice thickness of up to 0,55 m. Tanker width 42 m. In winter, tankers and GPs are operated by PSV - multipurpose supply vessels, also of ice class, by the way, whose width is 15-17 m. For the tanker, two such PSVs are paired, offset from each other, leaving two channels with a distance between the channels of 30-40 meters, and the tanker goes in the middle, between these channels. In this manner, wide vessels can be driven in the Arctic, but for this two icebreakers will be needed ...
  37. +1
    27 May 2019 17: 24
    Hulk to all dreamers of easy profit. No one needs us, except us, nobody will live here except us. Everyone needs only the local resources, cheaply obtained with our hands.
  38. +1
    27 May 2019 17: 50
    I always read the author’s articles with interest. I like his desire to study the issue from different angles, including from the standpoint of “what if ...” So I have a question. What would be the result of the Russo-Japanese war if Rozhestvensky conducted his squadron to Vladivostok through the NSR? I think that the very presence of a squadron in Vladivostok would have a significant impact on peace talks. I am already silent about the fact that Russia would have the opportunity to organize an economic blockade of Japan, while being able to transfer its troops and weapons along the NSR. Alas. It so happened that Russia inherited vast territories that no one needed anymore due to the difficult climate. Unfortunately, the climate in Russia makes any production more costly than in other countries. Therefore, economic development models that work in other countries do not work in Russia. Need your own approach. Hence the main emphasis on mining. And here we see that in the near future there will be a race to extract resources in the Arctic and Antarctic. And for this we need new technologies, we need systems that allow a person to work effectively in conditions with low temperatures. And these technologies are now being created in Russia. Namely, here, due to its geographical location, Russia has an advantage. And the commercialization of the NSR is only a way to shift part of the costs from the budget to other sources of financing. So do not despair. From a long-term perspective, all costs will pay off in the future.
    1. +2
      27 May 2019 18: 29
      Quote: Rods
      What would be the result of the Russian-Japanese war if Rozhestvensky had led his squadron to Vladivostok through the NSR?

      Alas, the same one, since in this case the Japanese fleet also met him, just north of Vladivostok in the Sea of ​​Japan. But this is if we at least for a second recognize the possibility of such a transition. And he is absolutely impossible.
      Quote: Rods
      I think that the very presence of a squadron in Vladivostok would have a significant impact on peace negotiations.

      It could be if 2 happened to be a miracle: Rozhdestvensky managed to get to Vladivostok and the king removed from him the task of mastering the sea. In fact, no one interfered with leaving the squadron on the approach to Tsushima and conducting peace negotiations, but this was not done, and if ours were to go to Vladivostok, this would be sure
      1. +1
        28 May 2019 18: 11
        But today is the anniversary ...
  39. 0
    27 May 2019 21: 41
    So it turns out: you need to break through the channel through the Kolyma River into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. He will shorten the difficult part of the journey. And you also need to block the dam in the Bering Strait. Put powerful hydroelectric units on it and pump out the freshwater surface layer from the Arctic Ocean. The Arctic will be free! ... from the ice.
  40. +2
    28 May 2019 00: 29
    That's interesting.
    The author himself created the thesis and antithesis (antithesis).
    Who said that the Northern Sea Route was originally intended as an alternative to traditional routes? He was not meant for this. This is a hype hype in the press. It can optionally be used in this way, but with a sufficient number of restrictions and the specifics of the tasks.
    Let's take container freight. Here comes a ship with thousands of units on board. Are they ALL (?) For the EU? Or maybe on the way the ship enters a dozen more places, takes on board, unloads from board? Enters Aqaba, Beirut, Damieta, Genoa, Amsterdam. And what alternative can the Northern Sea Route offer? These are not linear routes from point A to point B. Therefore, the Sevmoput was not initially considered as an alternative, but as a separate specific branch of logistics, with its beneficiaries and customers. These are their specific tasks, he is called upon to solve, and not deprive traditional lines of earnings. But the thesis has been raised, and the antitheses have been expressed. And the conclusion in the title is pretentious "grandiose projecting".
    If you already have such conclusions, then please take into account ALL aspects of the problem.
    1. 0
      28 May 2019 07: 28
      Quote: nikolaevskiy78
      Who said that the Northern Sea Route was originally intended as an alternative to traditional routes?

      Certainly not the author.
      Quote: nikolaevskiy78
      It was not intended for this. This is a hype inflated in the press.

      Nothing like this. Our GDP decided to adapt it for this.
      Г
      The flow along the Northern Sea Route (NSR) is expected to grow to 2024 million tons by 80. To achieve this goal, the government was instructed to develop and by October 1, 2018 approve a comprehensive plan for the modernization and expansion of the trunk infrastructure. This is stated in the decree of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin "On national goals and strategic objectives of the development of the Russian Federation for the period until 2024." The document was published on the Kremlin website
      1. 0
        28 May 2019 08: 21
        Consider the document as a whole. Here is the actual text of this Decree. Nothing is said about the transit component of freight traffic. I’ll add on my own that could not be said, since the transit of goods along the Asia-EU route is optional there. But at the same time, one can compare the (specific) tasks for the Europe-China road sections, specific tasks with delivery days in terms of railway transportation in the same direction. Conclusion - this document does not indicate that the Northern Sea Route is entrusted with national tasks of international transit, the creation of an alternative route, etc.

        15. Based on the spatial development strategy of the Russian Federation, the Government of the Russian Federation should develop, with the participation of state authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, and by October 1, 2018, approve a comprehensive plan for the modernization and expansion of the main infrastructure, providing for the provision in 2024:

        a) the development of transport corridors "West - East" and "North - South" for the transport of goods, including due to:

        construction and modernization of Russian sections of highways related to the international transport route "Europe - Western China";

        increasing the capacity of the seaports of the Russian Federation, including the ports of the Far East, Northwest, Volga-Caspian and Azov-Black Sea basins;

        the development of the Northern Sea Route and the increase in cargo traffic through it to 80 million tons;

        reduction of the time for transportation of containers by rail, in particular from the Far East to the western border of the Russian Federation, up to seven days, and an increase in the volume of transit transport of containers by rail four times;

        the formation of nodal freight multimodal transport and logistics centers;

        increase the throughput capacity of the Baikal-Amur and Trans-Siberian railways by one and a half times, up to 180 million tons;

        increasing the capacity of railway approaches to the seaports of the Azov-Black Sea basin;

        b) increasing the level of economic connectivity of the territory of the Russian Federation through the expansion and modernization of railway, aviation, road, sea and river infrastructure, including through:

        phased development of transport communications between the administrative centers of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and other cities - centers of economic growth, including the elimination of infrastructural restrictions in areas with development prospects adjacent to such transport communications;

        reconstruction of the infrastructure of regional airports and expansion of the network of interregional regular passenger air routes, bypassing Moscow, up to 50 percent of the total number of domestic regular air routes;

        creating the basis for the development of high-speed and high-speed rail links between large cities;

        increase the capacity of inland waterways
        ;

        However, the material itself begins with a polemic related to international transit. I will not give quotes, since this goes directly from the first paragraph and further to the reference to the article by V. Kuzovkov
        1. +1
          28 May 2019 18: 36
          Quote: nikolaevskiy78
          Consider the document as a whole. This is the actual text of this Decree. Nothing is said about the transit component of the freight traffic.

          That is, you do not even understand that the phrase
          Quote: nikolaevskiy78
          the development of the Northern Sea Route and the increase in cargo traffic through it to 80 million tons;

          can be implemented ONLY by transit? :)))) Considering the fact that the SMP’s domestic cargo traffic is three to four million tons? :) Even taking out the liquefied gas? :))) Well, yes, then I have no more questions
          1. +1
            28 May 2019 20: 31
            I prefer to read through the text of the document, and give these documents different meanings. Moreover, this is not a work of art.

            No, I don’t understand how the task of increasing freight traffic up to 80 million tons is related to the concept of alternative transit routes. Because the text of the document is specific. The East-West transit is described in relation to auto and railway transportation. These 80 million tons means that the concept takes into account the parameters of the development of the Arctic as a territory, which includes the growth of transportation between settlements, northern delivery, the growth of transportation and military lines, as well as the export of resources.

            According to the report of the Ministry of Transport for NSR in the response period for 2018 amounted to 19.67 million tons. Even taking into account the growth, there was no question of any annual 3-4 million tons that you spoke of. However, only Yamalmaks and LNG accounted for 8,4 million tons. taking into account the commissioning of new vessels, their volume of transportation should be at least 25 million tons per 36g, calculated on tonnage. And what then is unrealistic in the government plan of 80 million tons of cargo flow? If now almost 60 million have already been contracted? Only Novatek plans 46 million tons of its own cargo flow in the thirties. At the same time, the optional loading of the NSR in transit freight traffic is quite possible, but, as discussed, it is not decisive. The share of these shipments is now negligible, and is not planned as the main one in the future.

            Thus, not convincing, Mr. Author.
            The texture shows that no one is building any "grandiose projects", and therefore there is nothing to refute. The article proves the futility of the "grandiose project" along the transit northern sea route, although in reality no one anywhere has ever stated this at the level of plans, concepts, projects. Everything is going on in a completely planned and understandable planning framework. Plus, flaws in the textured part are now evident.
  41. 0
    28 May 2019 08: 34
    If we consider the issue of the Northern Sea Route from the point of view of geography ... then it doesn’t make much sense-- it is the inland waterway ..., from a military point of view, a convenient launching pad for missiles ...., the article raises serious doubts about the competence of the Government especially in economic geography ...,
  42. 0
    28 May 2019 09: 39
    Everything is written correctly. I won’t say the figures, but the author does not pretend, but in fact everything is correct. This is our internal road, the Izyumsky tract, and not the E-95.
  43. +1
    28 May 2019 11: 12
    Thank you for the article, I agree with the author, in the foreseeable future, the NSR is the internal, very important infrastructure of Russia. And the episodic passage of foreign ships, just pleasantness and additional income to cover maintenance costs.
    I would add some additions from myself:
    1. At the cost of vessels for Arctic classes. In addition to the reinforced hull, the composition of the required radio navigation equipment has been significantly increased $. Heating of the cargo and of the internal premises - more power $ and increased fuel consumption of the heating boiler $. There is a lot of electrical heating with a heating cable - scuppers, fittings, ladders, rails, deck equipment, i.e. the electric heating equipment itself and the shields $ + is much more powerful than the ship's power plant $ +, respectively, the fuel consumption per diesel generator $. Insulation of the body and pipes and paintwork materials for the appropriate temperature $.
    Alas, in my practice I was not able to design and build comparable vessels in type and size differing only in the presence of an ice class.
    2. According to the mentioned insurance factor, its cost also directly depends on infrastructure, including rescue, and in addition to coast stations, many multifunctional rescuers are needed, and these are complex and expensive ships.
  44. 0
    28 May 2019 12: 26
    I think the author is better to write about ships, tanks and history !!!
  45. +2
    28 May 2019 12: 55
    Andrew, great article.

    But you forget about such a nuance as the export of hydrocarbons from the north - this traffic is uncontested, if gas is liquefied in Yamal, then from there it must be taken out.
    The same applies, for example, to Norilsk Nickel products.
    And it generates cargo traffic.
    I’m not tracking what the draft law banning the export of hydrocarbons through the NSR by non-Russian vessels ended (and we should check it out), but generally speaking, the territories along the NSR are slowly becoming places of origin of goods.
    And this traffic should be kept under its flag and collect money from it.

    Plus, the same Chinese "high-speed" passages of ships will apparently continue to take place, albeit infrequently.

    What is worth revising is the icebreaker construction program. Maybe it would be worthwhile to make them a larger number and a smaller size?

    It's just that the same "Leader", when breaking into a thick ice, will throw out huge fragments of ice from under the hull, which in themselves will be dangerous for ships following. Maybe it was not necessary to chase after the thickness of the broken ice and build a couple of smaller icebreakers for the same money?
    In general, the sober need for icebreakers to evaluate.
    1. 0
      28 May 2019 18: 48
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      Andrew, great article.

      Thank you!
      Quote: timokhin-aa
      But you forget about such a nuance as the export of hydrocarbons from the north - this traffic is uncontested

      Why? I write in the conclusions
      Developing the Northern Sea Route is certainly important and necessary, because this is our transport artery, providing and supplying approximately 20 to millions of our fellow citizens of Northerners, and no one has canceled the need to export minerals.
      1. 0
        28 May 2019 19: 11
        Why? I write in the conclusions


        Well, yes, but without the details lol

        In fact, the NSR is the place where we can completely repeat the Cromwell Navigation Act on its territory. And essentially monopolize import and export shipments. Type of transit - yes, foreign flags on import and export shipments - no. And this is what must be done.

        Another question is tourism. Americans ride cruise ships along the northwestern aisle, and we have been renting icebreakers for trekking trips. We should take a closer look at this niche.
        Thirdly, it would be necessary to bite off part of the transit from Suez, for example, by sponsoring for some Sovcomflot or another domestic company the construction of ice-class cargo ships, so that at least with near-zero profitability but took a piece of transit between Europe and Asia. Even if small. Trifle, but people will be attached and at least some penny, but they will go to the budget, shipbuilding and ship repair will be fed, there will be a reserve of sailors in case of war, etc.
        Even if it's all on the verge of payback.
        Well, your cabotage, yes.
        1. 0
          28 May 2019 20: 23
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          In fact, the NSR is the place where we can completely repeat the Cromwell Navigation Act on its territory. And essentially monopolize import and export shipments. Type of transit - yes, foreign flags on import and export shipments - no.

          Yes, that's right. This can really be done - the only question here is whether we can offer the best transportation conditions, and here we must carefully consider. And plan and offer as a complex of services - with our insurance, etc. If it will be
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          on the verge of payback

          then of course, wouldn’t the purple?
          1. 0
            30 May 2019 17: 32
            With the current state of the merchant fleet, we have nothing to offer. Emphasis on the export of resources. Build a gas carrier / tanker. There are practically no new general cargoes under the Russian flag, nor are there large container ships. As a result, the delivery of equipment to Sabetta for Yamal LNG was made by the Dutch and so on. This is so ... for example.
  46. +1
    28 May 2019 17: 21
    There is a reason for such judgments. Therefore, the NSR must be modified.
    1. To consider Rusanov’s paradoxical idea of ​​moving routes to ... higher latitudes (there are fewer hummocks).
    2. Try to develop the design of Pomeranian Kochi, resistant to ice compression, for today.
    3. Start the transfer of cargo transportation ... by submarine routes. As an initial option - cargo submarines; subsequently, possibly by submarine cable trains.
  47. 0
    30 May 2019 08: 58
    Good article. Indeed, you can invest in SMP, spending hundreds of billions, and the warming suddenly turns out to be ... short-term.
    But one phrase confused me:
    And what does it see? The Russian Federation, which is in opposition to the entire Western world, but most importantly - a country with a completely unstable economy.

    Quite the contrary, the Russian economy is much more stable than many, many. The growth of industry and agriculture is about 8% per year. Few can boast of such. And the growth of GDP is a thing in itself, very speculative.
  48. 0
    30 May 2019 16: 56
    The article is sensible. We can add more about the emergence of newfangled "green" ratings for shipping companies in the world. They are calculated based on the total annual emissions produced by the company's ships. It is calculated based on the average consumption of heavy fuel and diesel fuel. Ice-class ships are definitely in a losing situation due to more powerful main engines / dynamos.
  49. 0
    30 May 2019 17: 48
    I agree that only very zealous journalists can write that the Northern Sea Route can replace the Suez Canal for now .......... But in the future, everything can happen, given what is hidden under the ice and the importance of this for development of the global economy. First, we must master the Northern Sea Route and ensure safe year-round sailing of our vessels, and then others will catch up. I have no doubt that capital investments in the Arctic will pay off in the near future, so the direction has been chosen correctly and should be continued.
  50. +1
    1 June 2019 19: 37
    Well, there is no fee for Suez, it’s clear, but ice fee fees will still be collected!
  51. 0
    9 June 2019 13: 39
    In my purely unprofessional opinion, the author did not pay attention to the main advantage of the Northern Sea Route - its safety (invulnerability) in the long term for all types of risks. Geography and, accordingly, a harsh climate will still be preferable to political instability in the regions where the Suez and Panama Canals are located, for example. Communication routes must be located in areas that are reliably controlled by the subject of geopolitics, primarily through military means. The current state of affairs persistently dictates its requirements for the conduct of world trade. What is there today? In the South China Sea, China is deploying a powerful defense infrastructure (building naval bases on artificial islands, baking destroyers like pies). Suez Canal - Iran. Panama Canal - Venezuela (who knows what is happening there and will happen next). There is fuss everywhere with unpredictable consequences. And money loves silence and stability. Even if they are frosty and icy. If for some reason a container ship sinks on the fairway of any of the canals, for example (by accident or according to an insidious evil plan), something explodes (domestic or non-domestic gas), military action will begin (democracy is still absent in many countries, unfortunately) How will this affect global trade traffic? What will the business do? Wait patiently for Uncle Sam to sort everything out? Can Uncle Sam, maybe he is no longer Uncle, but Grandfather? The Northern Sea Route, I am sure of this, is and will be protected by the force of arms of the Russian Federation much more reliably than all other alternative trade routes. Those business conditions that are relevant today may become a sweet historical bedtime story tomorrow. The Hegemon's throne is vacant. No one is in a hurry to occupy it, because the time for easy victories and irresponsible decisions has passed. Military efforts in the Arctic, coupled with the active construction of the Russian nuclear icebreaker fleet and the creation of new weapons systems, nullify all previous advantages of NATO. I am sure that it is in the Arctic that the Russian Federation unconditionally dominates and thus can guarantee ANY BUSINESS (the article mainly touches on economic aspects) first of all, SECURITY. Security is the main currency of the future. The Northern Sea Route is a long game...
  52. 0
    11 July 2019 15: 00
    We will have to invent underwater cargo ships, without a crew and with a new type of unattended nuclear machine. It is possible to even start producing a new isotope at nuclear power plants just for this purpose. And also invent Arctic automatic cargo ports for loading and unloading these submarine barges. Then the Northern Sea Route will become a reality.
  53. 0
    26 May 2021 23: 16
    Author, what kind of nonsense have you spun about the cost of icebreaker support and Arctic classes? Why did you look at the tariffs? The higher the Arctic class, the cheaper the icebreaker support.

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