Weapons of the Second World. Anti-tank guns of the initial period

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Which of the initial stage guns was the best?

1. Pak 35 / 36. Germany - 44 (23.4%)
23.4%
2. Cannone da 47 / 32 Mod. 35. Italy - 1 (0.53%)
0.53%
3. "Type 1". Japan - 8 (4.26%)
4.26%
4. Skoda 36 model. Czechoslovakia - 22 (11.7%)
11.7%
5. 5-L1934. France - 2 (1.06%)
1.06%
6. 47-mm gun obr. 1937 of the year. France - 32 (17.02%)
17.02%
7. "Vikers-Armstrong" 40-mm. United Kingdom - 4 (2.13%)
2.13%
8. M1932. USSR - 73 (38.83%)
38.83%
9. 37 mm M3A1. United States - 2 (1.06%)
1.06%
As promised, we dilute aviation branch artillery. And we decided to start with anti-tank artillery. There is a certain sacred meaning in this, to be honest.

The story about the anti-tank artillery of the pre-war period should not begin with a description of the guns, not with the concepts of the development of design ideas in different countries, and not even with the role of such artillery in a modern war. Let's start with things that seem to be not directly related to anti-tank artillery.



Weapons of the Second World. Anti-tank guns of the initial period


The tools that we will consider today are in most cases little known to the general reader. This did not happen because they were few in number or the materials were classified. This was due to the fact that the designers of such highly specialized weapons, and the command of most of the armies of the world, including the Red Army, did not see the development trend of the opposing side - armored vehicles.

This is not a matter of the usual competition of armor and projectile, in which the armor hypothetically defeated the projectile. Such a thing generally happened, but not on the battlefield, but on paper. Just no one in the middle of 30-s could predict the appearance of monsters such as KV-2, for example. Because especially no one was preparing.

Here it is necessary to make special mention of the Red Army. In our case, the axiom is violated, the correctness of which is not in doubt even among the authors of this material. Any war, any military conflict, except for solving some political problems, reveals, among other things, flaws or superiority of armaments. Simply put, war is the best testing ground for military equipment and weapons.

The military conflicts in which the USSR participated in the pre-war period, especially the Soviet-Finnish war, produced the opposite effect among our military. We made completely wrong conclusions about the power of our anti-tank artillery. What came down in the future with huge losses of personnel and territories. Everyone perfectly remembers the results of using the German “armored fist” from the lungs tanks in 1941 year.

One clarification is needed to cut off unnecessary debates among readers. Today we will talk about anti-tank artillery. Not about guns, which, due to the lack or low power of the TCP, could be used against tanks and armored vehicles, namely about specialized anti-tank guns.

1. 37-mm Pak gun 35 / 36. Germany


This gun has generally become the progenitor for many anti-tank guns of the opposing sides. First of all, because Germany actively promoted this instrument in the foreign market. In Japan, a copy of this gun was called "type 97". In Italy - anti-tank gun arr. 37 / 45 In the Netherlands - 37-mm "Rheinmetall". In the USSR - anti-tank gun M30.



By the way, М30 became the "mother" for the whole family of guns. Even in the American 37-mm guns M3 you can see exactly this weapon. So in fact, a sort of anti-grandmother came out.

It is surprising that the gun, judging by its name, of the 1935-36 model became so popular in the world and so quickly was mastered by the industry of various countries. Alas, the point is not the simplicity or ease of production of this gun. The point is in the title.



In fact, the Rhinemetal concern quietly developed this weapon from 1925 of the year. Moreover, the serial production of this gun was mastered already in 1928 year. These tools were purchased by various countries for testing and for using their own guns.

Today it is difficult to imagine a horse-drawn anti-tank gun. But at the end of 20-x - the beginning of 30-s, this was the norm. That is why we see this instrument on “bicycle” wheels in newsreel footage. Wheels with knitting.

At the same time, it is a really good and advanced tool for its time. A strongly inclined shield, a rather long but proportional trunk, the tubular paws of the forked bed made a very favorable impression, especially against the background of the guns of the generation of the First World War.

The name of this tool known to us appeared later. In 1934, Hitler demanded that the gun be transferred to mechanical traction. That, given the small weight of the gun, it was done without any problems. "Rheinmetall" replaced the wheels and this rework ended. In the 1936, the gun was adopted by the Wehrmacht as the 37-mm Pak 35 / 36 gun.

Pak gun 35 / 36 has a fairly successful combat history. Already from the first application in 1936 in Spain, it became clear that the gun really did succeed. Light tanks and other armored vehicles of the Republicans were destroyed by these tools without much difficulty.

The destruction of Polish tanks in 1939-m is also the result of the use, including these guns. Light, mobile guns almost from the wheels began to carry out a deadly fire on the Poles. The Polish army could not oppose this instrument because of the lack of opposition options.

The first “bell” about the end of the Pak 35 / 36 era was the Germans in the 1940. With the seizure of France guns could practically do nothing against French heavy and medium tanks. Shells kolupali armor, but effective penetration did not occur. In fact, the German anti-tankists were the first to experience what our gunners experienced in 1942.



When attacking the USSR, the Wehrmacht also used these very weapons. Just out of despair. Other TCP was not made. Soviet T-34-76 successfully crushed German batteries Pak 35 / 36 tracks. The gunners could only destroy the tanks for a short time by interrupting trucks or jamming the turret. We are silent about HF, as there was no chance of even scratching this tank.

But the military service of this gun continued even when the guns were removed from the active army. The guns became training in artillery schools and garrison in the internal garrisons of Germany.

Advantages: light, mobile, cheap to manufacture.

Disadvantages: extremely weak in terms of ballistics and piercing the projectile.


2. M35 47 / 32 Böhler. Italy


The next country that boasts its own anti-tank weapon is Italy. But everything is conditional. Starting from the concept of "own" and ending with the concept of "anti-tank".



It’s about the famous 47-mm 47 / 32 M35 gun, better known as Böhler or Elephantino.



Some specialists and artillery fans of the prewar period mistakenly believe that this is an Italian weapon. The reason is commonplace. Italy really produced "Böhler" in such quantities that it seemed that this gun was created there.

In fact, this instrument was created in Austria. The miniature and mobile 47-mm gun was created to arm Alpine shooters. Accordingly, the gun, given the realities of that time, should have been not only easy, but collapsible. What was done. The gun quickly disassembled into several nodes and perfectly moved in the mountains with the help of mules. Or - as an option - with the help of the separation of people.

This design simply pushed designers to transfer guns from the category of anti-tank to the category of universal. What was done. 47 / 32 The M35 has become an instrument of direct infantry support. However, it cannot be said well enough in this capacity. Mediocre enough tool.



The army of Austria is small. Therefore, the gun was quickly brought to the foreign market, where they sold not only the guns themselves, but also the licenses for their production. So the guns appeared in Italy, Romania and Holland. Not lagged behind in this matter and we. In the USSR, a small number of such guns also arrived. We are known as M35B.

Naturally, after the annexation of Austria in the 1938 year, the Wehrmacht had guns under the marking Рak 47.

But the gun was not just fighting, as if fighting at all, in all theaters and on both sides of the front. In 1942, the Allied armies in North Africa tainted Italian guns in large numbers, and about 200 of them were modified in Alexandria to British standards.

Such a gun could be induced by one person (instead of two for the prototype), the possibility of airborne landing was taken into account in the construction of the frame. The gun received an optical rifle sight and a damper pad 6-pound gun. And it was quite normal to thrash her ex.

Advantages: ease, mobility, ability to work as a universal gun.

Disadvantages: high-explosive projectile is much more effective than armor-piercing. The armor piercing was frankly weak.


3. Type 1. Japan.


Get your own anti-tank weapon and the Japanese. The gun, which we will present, was the only Japan’s own specialized anti-tank weapon throughout the war. And the role of this weapon in the war is insignificant. However, it is necessary to talk about it.



So, the anti-tank gun type 1. Prior to the advent of this, Japan’s TCP weapon consisted of a copy of the German 37-mm Pak 35 / 36 - type 94.

The 1 type appeared already in the 1941 year. However, it is significantly inferior to the European guns in power. But one indicator was really good. Rate of fire to 15 shots per minute. This was achieved through the use of semi-automatic wedge gate. Worthy for the infantry support weapon, but for the anti-tank it looks weird.



But the Japanese military experts decided that the weapon was successful. Generally all weapon Japanese production differed ease and ease of use in combat conditions.

But if we talk specifically about the use of "Type 1", quite a lot of weight deprived the most important gun - mobility. And the change of position was not an easy process. We add to this a certain franticity of the Japanese soldiers, who preferred to die along with the guns and at the output we get a constant shortage of anti-tank guns in the Japanese army.



Advantages: good projectile ballistics, easy operation.

Disadvantages: weight.


4. Skoda model 36. Czechoslovakia


There is another country that was annexed by Germany. This is Czechoslovakia. Yes, it was the Czechoslovak firm Skoda that was the first in Europe to begin developing specialized anti-tank guns.



The gun that we represent today is the second anti-tank gun of this company. The first, 37-mm sample 1934, was not launched into production. Even then, Skoda engineers realized the futility of the 37 caliber mm. Therefore, in the 1936, the 47-mm gun of the 36 model was developed and launched into production. After the capture of the Sudetenland cannon model 36 hit the German army.



A few words should be said about the instrument itself. At that time it was the most unusual weapon. Starting from the shield, which had an asymmetrical curvilinear shape and ending with a large muzzle brake with a single baffle and a large brake rollback cylinder along the upper surface of the barrel.

At the time of creation, the 36 model was the most powerful in Europe. She fired quite heavy (1,65 kg) shells that pierced the armor of any tank of that time at distances to 600 m. The effectiveness of classmates at that time did not exceed 200-250 m. However, in the field, the gun was quite cumbersome.



The gun went through the entire war in the army and was even installed on the ACS.

Advantages: armor penetration, projectile effectiveness.

Disadvantages: weight, mobility.


5. 25-mm gun model 1934 year. France


France at the beginning of the 20 century was a trendsetter in artillery fashion. And there, in theory, during the period described, there should have been the most powerful anti-tank guns. And French design ideas, especially in the field of artillery, have always been at the forefront of the world.



In fact, everything was quite twofold.

The first tool that deserves our attention is the model of the company "Hotchkiss" - 5A-L1934. Despite the fact that the gun was commissioned in the 1934 year, the development of this tool dates back to the 20 years of the 20 century. True, it was developed for installation on the tank.

In fact, the gun was installed on a lightweight undercarriage only in the 1932 year. And they adopted it really in 1934.

But soon because of the fragility of the design, the hodovka placed the gun on the car. In general, the gun was reasonably well thought out, but the meager caliber actually deprived it of even the theoretical possibility of striking modern armored vehicles.

Advantages: low weight and ability to install on equipment, projectile with good ballistics

Disadvantages: caliber, weak projectile, weak running.


6. 47-mm anti-tank gun model 1937 France


But in the prewar period the French had another gun. Created in the shortest possible time "Atelier de Pitot" 47-mm anti-tank gun arr. 1937 of the year. The gun, which the French themselves simply idolized. Designed for the destruction of specific tanks - German PZKpfw IV. But in fact, pierced the armor of any then probable enemy existing tank.



Alas, this gun was adopted only in the 1938, and mass production began only in the 1939. At the time of the outbreak of war with Germany (May 1940 d) the French army felt a catastrophic shortage of these guns. But then the Germans later widely used this gun under the name 47-mm Pak 141 (f). And even successfully destroyed the armored vehicles of the allies during the landing in Normandy in 1944 year.



The gun was really successful and advanced. Along with towed guns for field use, models were made for stationary installation in the fortifications of the Maginot Line. They had no chassis, and they were installed on a firing position on special ceiling rail hangers. Shooting was conducted through concrete embrasures of a special form. In 1939, a slightly modified sample appeared. 1937 / 39. And in the 1940 year - a new gun, in which the same trunk was mounted on a three-support frame, which provided the angle of horizontal guidance 360 °.

The main problem was the meager release of the gun. This, however, corrected the Germans.



Pluses: heavy and penetrating shell with good ballistics.

Disadvantages: weight.


7. "Vikers-Armstrong" 2-pound. Great Britain


Another coalition country, Britain, also had its own anti-tank gun. Developed by Wickers-Armstrong in the 1934 year 2-pound anti-tank gun. Considering the structure of this weapon you understand that for its time it was a good instrument, but no more than that.



The massive gun could not move quickly, and was not adapted for this. So the shooting was made from stationary positions. Yes, and the complexity of the design of the instrument required from the calculation of a rather serious preparation.



In the army of Great Britain the gun began to arrive only in 1938 year. The four years lost by the cannon turned the cannon from quite working and even advanced in some way into obsolete. The blame was the rapid development of tanks. Improving the quality of booking, and indeed the thickness of the reservation.

Therefore, already in 1940, when hostilities began, the gun became ineffective. Using it in the 1941-42 years in North Africa in general put an end to this tool. The gun was decommissioned in the 1942 year.



Pluses: good armor-piercing projectile with good ballistics.

Disadvantages: weight, lack of undercarriage, complex design.


8. 45-mm gun M1932. THE USSR.


Well, finally we came to the USSR. We did not lag behind the European states, although we did not go to the front ranks. Our pre-war anti-tank guns are actually the very German 37-mm Rheinmetall guns that the Germans themselves even later unified us and called the 37-mm Pak 35 / 36. We decided to independently increase the caliber of the gun to 45 mm.



It was the gun M1932. By 1940, the Red Army already had a sufficient number of these guns. It was these weapons that were sent to Republicans in Spain in 1936. By the way, this war made minor adjustments to the design of the gun. The new version was released in 1937 year.

At the beginning of the article we promised to tell about the incorrect conclusions of our military after the Soviet-Finnish war. This directly concerns the 45-mm anti-tank gun. Lightly armored Finnish vehicles and the same “cardboard” tanks were easy prey for the MKNUMX. Therefore, the development of new VET decided to postpone until the solution of more pressing problems.



The beginning of the Great Patriotic War showed the stupidity of this conclusion. However, even when it “caught fire,” for some reason, instead of urgently setting up the release of the same 57-mm anti-tank Grabin cannons, the artillery command of the Red Army preferred to modernize the old forty-five. The upgrade consisted in lengthening the barrel (from 46 to 66 gauges). This significantly increased the effectiveness of the M1942 gun.



In this form, the gun ended the war, and after the war participated in several armed conflicts and wars.

Pros: good projectile, mobility.

Disadvantages: almost none.


9. 37-mm anti-tank gun M3A1. USA.


Also a clone of the German 37-mm Pak 35 / 36. Created at its base, the American anti-tank gun M3. In an attempt to reduce the effect of the rollback effort on the frame, the gun was given a muzzle brake, which was eventually abandoned. The armor shield was small and flat.



By the time this evil baby entered the army, she was already outdated not only mentally, but also physically.

By 1941, the fighting in Europe and North Africa showed that to punch up the armor of modern tanks you need weapons of greater caliber. And the gun immediately began to be replaced by other, more powerful guns.

But in the Pacific, the M3А1 "came in": Japanese tanks were lighter, there were few of them, and they advanced more dispersed. And it was possible to fight with this gun quite well.



For use in amphibious operations to seize numerous islands, high-explosive and incendiary ammunition were developed specifically for this anti-tank gun. Concrete pillboxes, so beloved by the Japanese, were quite normally picked with armor-piercing shells.

The small mass of the gun was very useful during these amphibious operations, so they continued to be produced specifically for operations in the Pacific.



Advantages: weight, mobility, a good projectile in terms of ballistics.

Disadvantages: projectile frankly weak.





If we consider the anti-tank guns that started World War II, it is possible to make an unpleasant conclusion for the gunners. The development of tanks and armored vehicles of the leading armies of the world in the 30-early 40-s was ahead of the development of anti-tank artillery. VET did not have time for the rapidly developing tanks.

This, in many ways, led to huge losses in the initial period of the war, when the Germans widely used the tactics of tank wedges and raids of tank units in the rear. There was simply no one to protect the infantry from powerful, well-protected tanks.

However, war is a locomotive for designers. And at the turn of 1942-43, anti-tank guns of a new generation appeared on the battlefield. But this is the subject of the next article.
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  1. -10
    29 May 2019 18: 26
    Who against 45-ki. that radish!
    1. + 22
      29 May 2019 18: 41
      Quote: Theodore
      Who against 45-ki. that radish!

      Away kindergarten? = _ = '
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    2. +7
      29 May 2019 19: 04
      laughing Then, who is against the MNNXX warriors ... That at least something punched
      1. +2
        30 May 2019 10: 19
        A good weapon was. The veteran told that the opposite of tanks was certainly weak, but thanks to the accuracy, the projectile could even be stuck in the embrasure — according to him, a very accurate gun was able to plant a projectile, if not from the first, then from the second third time it was easy to
        1. 0
          30 May 2019 16: 44
          Quote: Ruger-para
          A good weapon was. The veteran told me that the opposite of tanks was of course weak, but thanks to the accuracy of the projectile it was possible even to get into the embrasure

          So the 45-mm is not a pure anti-tank gun, but a universal anti-tank and battalion gun (when a 37-mm was made from a 45-mm, the caliber was increased not for the sake of armor penetration, but for the sake of a normal fragmentation projectile). And if, as an anti-tank gun, it was outdated by the beginning of the 40s, then as a battalion gun "forty-five" was extremely in demand.
          1. +1
            30 May 2019 17: 28
            Quote: Alexey RA
            And if as an TAP it has become outdated by the beginning

            Naturally, it is ineffective to use it in AT res. There, the guns must hit armored vehicles at a distance outside the zone of destruction from rifle and machine gun fire.
            And at the BRO positions, the fire system, minefields and obstacles (well, if the defense is built correctly) should force enemy tanks to be directed so that they expose their sides (200 m and closer) to camouflaged guns. And at the same time, our infantry should cut off the enemy infantry from the tanks. In this case, both the 45 mm in the M-42 variant and the Tigers are capable of stopping.

            And it so happened that during the war we did not create a PT gun, for units above the platoon (the nature of the tasks depends on the rank).
        2. +2
          30 May 2019 17: 19
          I remembered an episode from some movie, where a sergeant "forty-five" Berlin pulled: the military council of some army decided to send Stalingrad to Berlin. How the cannon was pulled up to the second floor and it was hitting machine guns
    3. 0
      29 May 2019 19: 16
      German "cats" - radishes?

      laughing
  2. 0
    29 May 2019 18: 49
    Thank you, good review, waiting for the continuation.
    1. +1
      29 May 2019 18: 58
      Great review! Also waiting for the continuation, with tables, with photos ... Class! So I can not write myself (as I would not want, and for a long time and me), so I read silently with pleasure .. hi
      1. + 13
        30 May 2019 00: 17
        What good is this review? Where are the Swedish Bofors 37mm being the Poles, Finns, Dutch and Yugoslavs? Where is the Japanese gun Type 94 who fought with Soviet tanks and Chinese tanks before the start of the massacre in the open spaces of Europe?
  3. +9
    29 May 2019 19: 01
    The 45 in the m-42 version is generally a smart weapon for the platoon of a battalion (at that time). But for PT cut. shelf and above. as we did not work out. While the ZIS-2 was brought to mind, it was already necessary to have a VET in the caliber 76 mm (tried). It was decided immediately with a margin, and D-44 came out in May 1945 for testing. And it turned out. that with the PT systems, we always did not have time to the Second World War.
    1. +4
      29 May 2019 19: 16
      Quote: chenia
      Decided immediately with a margin, and came out D-44

      Confused. This is a divisional, and the PTP based on it, D-48, appeared, respectively, in 48.

      Actually, the idea of ​​creating specialized anti-TB drugs was apparently considered untimely. Therefore, they appeared in the PT units of the ZiS-3 and the "hundred" BS-3
      1. -1
        29 May 2019 19: 25
        Quote: Spade
        Confused.


        Not. While brought to mind, another more powerful system was needed. And the topic went to the D-48 and not much there was delayed flowed into the project T-12.
        And D-44 transferred to the divisional. But purely PT gun.
        I have in ADN MSP D-44 (70-80s).
        1. +1
          29 May 2019 19: 41
          Quote: chenia
          No.

          Ches word, confusing. D-44 division, D-48-anti-tank. And so, by the way, they are marked on the developer’s site. The only thing is that SD-44 sometimes passes as anti-tank.

          And about the T-12- despite the external similarity, she has other developers, Yurga and not Sverdlovsk.

          Quote: chenia
          I have an ADN SME D-44 (70-80 years).

          They were in school for one year as substitutes. Ammunition - horror, many - as a sample "forbidden to shoot"
          1. 0
            29 May 2019 20: 15
            Quote: Spade
            D-44 Division


            In the field it was determined later, do not disappear as good. (D-44 only in one type it is clear what kind of system it is. Hidden behind the shield are recoil, low line of fire, OP-2).

            If you pay attention, the D-48 was also produced in small quantities (I have never seen this system in the OIPTADN, although there were BS-3). The 85 mm quickly lost its relevance even with the increase in muzzle energy of the D-48.

            Quote: Spade
            And about T-12- despite the external similarity, she has other developers


            Naturally not developed from scratch.

            Quote: Spade
            year were as substitutes. Ammunition - horror, many - as a sample "forbidden to shoot"

            ZIS-3 over? Everything seemed endless there.
            About the system, very accurate and very reliable. There have been cases seen as trunks fly off of the M-30, D-1 (well, here muzzle into the cradle). But D-44 never did (although he never fought during the war, so was an individual for mortar gunners (cropped regiment)).
            And there were no problems with BP.
            1. +1
              29 May 2019 20: 41
              Quote: chenia
              In the field it was determined later, do not disappear as good.

              Why, then, on its base, in a few years, the D-48 PTP was originally created, in fact only extending the barrel by one and a half meters with kopecks?

              Quote: chenia
              OP-2

              The BS-3 also had a direct aiming sight.

              Quote: chenia
              ZIS-3 over?

              Also, only one season shot. True, with excellent ammunition. And so basically D-30, and at the end 2А65
              1. +1
                29 May 2019 21: 16
                Quote: Spade
                Why, then, on its base, in a few years, PTP D-48 was originally created

                It was weak.
                By the way. I forgot about the main thing. My father was in his time (1959-1963 YUGV Székesfehérvár) commander. a separate PT batteries in the artillery regiment of the MSD (what kind of OSHC I did not know then). So he had SD-44, and some beautiful tankettes (not MTLB). most likely for LL received and not given, and his commander BTR-40. I really vaguely remember a lot, but what I rode on the CD. exactly (Dad took to classes).
                1. 0
                  29 May 2019 21: 48
                  And my father picked me up from kindergarten and led me to classes with cadets, until they learned the wisdom of navigation, I played in the navigator booth IL-28
                  1. 0
                    29 May 2019 21: 52
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    And my father took me from kindergarten


                    No, there is not so much memories. Just a dispute as far as the D-44 field or PT system.
                    1. +2
                      29 May 2019 22: 00
                      Yes, I understood, only my childhood in a military town was also remembered
        2. 0
          31 May 2019 10: 35
          ZIS-3 and D-44 were used for training cadets, in artillery schools, until 90-ies.
      2. 0
        30 May 2019 15: 54
        Quote: Spade
        Confused. This is a divisional


        This division as well as in the years of the Second World War 76,2 mm. Zis-3 was intended for the destruction of tanks.

        and PTP based on it, D-48, appeared, respectively, in 48


        In 1948, the FIRST / FIRST / EXPERIMENTAL sample of the D-48 appeared, and the D-48 serial production began almost in the middle of the 1950-s.
        1. +1
          30 May 2019 19: 00
          Quote: NF68
          Zis-3 was intended for the destruction of tanks.

          All Soviet weapons are intended ".... and to destroy tanks" But not all of them are anti-tank.
          1. 0
            30 May 2019 23: 34
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: NF68
            Zis-3 was intended for the destruction of tanks.

            All Soviet weapons are intended ".... and to destroy tanks" But not all of them are anti-tank.


            The Germans had something similar, only in reverse: see X-NUMX Cancer-7,5 was developed as an anti-tank, but the Germans used it as a field gun. It is quite reasonable.
  4. +5
    29 May 2019 19: 09
    57mm gun could not replace a forty-five before the war due to complexity, not manufacturability and low barrel survivability
  5. +8
    29 May 2019 19: 20
    The military conflicts in which the USSR participated in the pre-war period, especially the Soviet-Finnish war, had a completely opposite effect among our military. We made absolutely wrong conclusions about the power of our anti-tank artillery. What backfired in the future huge losses of personnel and territories. Everyone remembers the results of the use of the German "armored fist" of light tanks in 1941 year.
    The Finns had no tanks.
    According to official data, on the eve of the “Winter War” in the Finnish armed forces were:
    34 tank "Renault FT" (part without weapons)
    32 tank "Vikkers" 6 tons of E (most without weapons, 13 tanks participated in the battles with the Red Army).
    1 wickers "Vikkers Cardin Lloyd" (used for training purposes up to 1941 year)
    1 Light Vickers Cardin Lloyd Tank (used for training purposes up to 1943)
    1 light tanker "Vikkers" 6 tons of B (was armed with the original 47 mm short-barreled gun, did not participate in the "Winter War").
    6 armored vehicles Landsverk-182
    According to the authors, it was precisely by analyzing the experience of confronting this "tank armada" that the Soviet military leaders had to predict the German tank "blitzkrieg" and, accordingly, create an appropriate anti-tank vehicle. Serious message.
    1. 0
      29 May 2019 20: 33
      Gentlemen of minusers, try to strain and at least somehow explain your minus, since sometimes the logic of the minus is difficult to understand because of its mystery.
    2. +2
      30 May 2019 09: 38
      precisely by analyzing the experience of confronting this "tank armada"
      really recourse ,,,especially since the only Finnish tank attack was on February 26, 1940 in Honkaniemi.
    3. 0
      31 May 2019 15: 24
      But the opposite side with the tanks was all right. And the experience of the use of tanks in anti-shell booking was available, albeit scanty.
  6. +4
    29 May 2019 20: 09
    As for the British PTP, everything is not as simple as it seems.

    The massive gun could not move quickly, and was not adapted for this. So the shooting was made from stationary positions. Yes, and the complexity of the design of the instrument required from the calculation of a rather serious preparation.


    When discussing anti-TB drugs, keep in mind that high mass is not "unambiguously bad". Yes, the weapon loses in mobility, it is more difficult to carry it by the forces of calculation. However, directly when firing, this disadvantage turns into a great advantage. The aiming with all the consequences is much less confusing ... The second shot will occur earlier.

    There is a British PTP and undoubted advantage, the sector of shooting across the horizon in 360 °. For the anti-tank gun is the most it. Especially if you take into account the properties of self-digging coulters of other tools to do what they are supposed to - self-digging. It was not always possible in the mud conditions to quickly change the sector despite the low weight.
    1. 0
      29 May 2019 22: 44
      When discussing anti-TB drugs, keep in mind that high mass is not "unambiguously bad". Yes, the weapon loses in mobility, it is more difficult to carry it by the forces of calculation. However, directly when firing, this disadvantage turns into a great advantage. The aiming with all the consequences is much less confusing ... The second shot will occur earlier.

      So it was necessary to move along the German path of development of the PTP and create analogs of 128-mm K Krupp cannons (on the gun carriage of the Soviet 81-mm ML-2 howitzer cannon) or 152-mm Pak 20 anti-tank gun of the Rheinmetall-Borzig?
      1. +1
        30 May 2019 08: 03
        Quote: hohol95
        So it was necessary to move along the German path of development of the PTP and create analogs of 128-mm K Krupp cannons (on the gun carriage of the Soviet 81-mm ML-2 howitzer cannon) or 152-mm Pak 20 anti-tank gun of the Rheinmetall-Borzig?

        Given that we have rolled out the direct-link ML-20, try to answer this question yourself.

        But it should not be compared with the "British", a completely different type of gun carriage that does not provide a large HV guidance sector. Plus - "birth trauma" ML-20, "providing" a very long bringing from marching to combat.
  7. + 10
    29 May 2019 20: 40
    A completely wrong interpretation of the history of anti-tank guns of the USSR in the Second World War. In 1940, the year it was decided to manufacture powerful anti-tank 57-mm and 107-mm guns, production began with 1941. It is quite clear that there were no targets for them in 1941, and production under the conditions of evacuation of the majority of the factories was difficult. Adoption of the upgraded gun M1942 with increased armor penetration was absolutely correct and timely. Here are just the resumption of production of ZIS-2 and the production of other more powerful systems, faced with a lot of difficulties and of course, was late for 3-5 months.
    1. +4
      29 May 2019 21: 31
      Quote: Potter
      It is quite clear that there were no targets for them in 1941, and production under the conditions of evacuation of the majority of the factories was difficult.

      But ZiS-3, differing in fact only in the trunk, riveted in incredible quantities, and evacuation did not interfere.
      It is believed that there were problems with the manufacture of large elongation trunks. And they were able to solve them only with Lend-Lease deliveries / purchases abroad.
      1. 0
        30 May 2019 16: 49
        Quote: Spade
        But ZiS-3, differing in fact only in the trunk, riveted in incredible quantities, and evacuation did not interfere.

        Because ZIS-22-SPM and ZIS-3 were more necessary - without them, neither the newly formed nor the re-formed old rifle divisions could be sent to the front. SD without artillery is grease for bayonet. And the army only in the first 2 months of the war managed to lose almost a third of the divisions.
        So they exchanged 57-mm PTP, expensive and difficult to manufacture, on 3-4 76-mm divisions.
    2. +2
      29 May 2019 21: 58
      Quote: Potter
      it was decided to manufacture powerful anti-tank 57-mm and 107-mm guns,


      If everything is clear with the 57 mm, then with 107 mm there is an obvious search (as a PT gun).
      Here is the 107 mm howitzer (a tonne lighter than the M-30). very useful, and because it was already in the metal.
      1. 0
        30 May 2019 16: 54
        Quote: chenia
        If everything is clear with the 57 mm, then with 107 mm there is an obvious search (as a PT gun).

        160 mm armor on the 1000 m. Waited tanks reported intelligence.

        As for the busting ... let me remind you that we used the same size and weight of the 122-mm A-19 cannon in the same role as "heavy anti-tank guns".
  8. 0
    29 May 2019 22: 39
    In fact, the Rhinemetal concern quietly developed this weapon from 1925 of the year. Moreover, the serial production of this gun was mastered already in 1928 year. These tools were purchased by various countries for testing and for using their own guns.

    Leafing through the book "ANTI-TANK ARTILLERY VERMACHT IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR"
    From "door beaters" to "tank killers"
    The development of this anti-tank guns began at the firm Rheinmetall-Borsig in 1924 year, and the design was carried out in circumvention of the conditions of the Versailles Peace Treaty, according to which Germany was forbidden to have anti-tank artillery. However, at the end of 1928, the first samples of the new gun, designated 3,7-cm Tak 28 L / 45 (Tankabwehrkanone - anti-tank gun, the word Panzer began to be used in Germany later. - Approx. Author), began to enter the troops.

    Further - in the chapter dedicated to "Škoda model 36. Czechoslovakia", images of the 37mm PUV vz.37-3,7-cm PakM 37(t) gun (3,7-cm Panzerabwehrkanone M 37(t)) and the 47mm PUV vz. 36-4,7-cm Pak 36(t) gun (4,7 cm Panzerabwehrkanone 36 (t)) are combined.
    Structurally and externally, vz.36 was very similar to 37-mm vz.37, differing from the latter in overall dimensions and weight (595 kg versus 364 kg).
    Despite the fact that the 47-mm anti-tank gun was adopted before the 37-mm, for a number of reasons, its mass production began later. Just before the occupation of Germany by Czechoslovakia, Skoda manufactured 775 47-mm anti-tank guns PUV vz.36. A small number of these guns were sold to Yugoslavia in 1937 – 1938.

    This makes it very difficult to visually distinguish these tools!
  9. +4
    29 May 2019 23: 23
    Concrete pillboxes, so beloved by the Japanese, were quite normally picked with armor-piercing shells.

    Interesting is the quality of that concrete. If his 37mm shells were scratched!
  10. 0
    29 May 2019 23: 33
    The beginning of the Great Patriotic War showed the stupidity of this conclusion. However, even when it “caught fire,” for some reason, instead of urgently setting up the release of the same 57-mm anti-tank Grabin cannons, the artillery command of the Red Army preferred to modernize the old forty-five. The upgrade consisted in lengthening the barrel (from 46 to 66 gauges). This significantly increased the effectiveness of the M1942 gun.

    And what, Dear Authors, can you explain the delay in the production of Pak 38?
    The first samples of the new artillery system, which received the designation Pak 37, were made and presented for testing in the 1936 year.
    Production began in the year 1939 - 2 guns!
    By 1 June 1941, the troops had just 800 guns!
    And why did you not indicate this instrument in the voting?
    1. +1
      30 May 2019 16: 57
      Quote: hohol95
      And what, Dear Authors, can you explain the delay in the production of Pak 38?

      How what? We open any memoirs of German generals - "only the Führer is to blame!" smile
      1. 0
        30 May 2019 20: 42
        And the memoirs of the German manufacturers were published?
        Or is the Führer guilty of production difficulties? hi
  11. +8
    29 May 2019 23: 48
    37-mm anti-tank gun Type 94 (九四 式 三 十七 粍 速射砲 Kyūyon-shiki sanjyūnana-miri sokushahō) - Japanese anti-tank gun used by the imperial army in the course of the war with China, border conflicts with the USSR and World War II.

    Thunderstorm Soviet tanks on the lake. Hassan and r. Khalkhin Gol! And you, Dear authors, simply ignored her! Not good!
  12. -1
    29 May 2019 23: 59
    The problems of the Soviet artillery PT in the Second World War are not a weapon (its caliber). The problem is the tactics of use, the number of barrels in the place of the breakthrough, at the beginning of the war there were problems with shots (a lot of marriage). The appearance of the Tiger is not a problem of 45, the problem of the staff of the headquarters, who did not give the designers the task for an appropriate Tiger tool ... Now it’s easy to talk, THEN it was necessary to make decisions (at your own risk), you shouldn’t try all the options during the evacuation could For their tanks 45-ka 5 +
    1. 0
      30 May 2019 17: 01
      Quote: cat Rusich
      The problems of the Soviet artillery PT in the Second World War are not a weapon (its caliber).

      That is, the armor penetration of the only specialized Soviet TAP 1941 of the year, equal to 40 mm of German armor at a distance not further than 150 mm - is this not a problem?
      1. 0
        30 May 2019 21: 20
        At the time of the gun's creation in 1937, the thickness of the T-4's frontal armor was 30 mm, it would become 50 mm after the "French campaign". The BR-240P projectile is quite normal at reasonable distances (check with veterans), a DEFECT during production - who is to blame? The bulk, in short, the majority of tanks that attacked the USSR on June 22, 1941 were T-2, T-3...
        1. 0
          31 May 2019 10: 39
          Quote: cat Rusich
          At the time of the creation of the gun 1937g - the thickness of the frontal armor T-4 30mm, 50mm will become after the French campaign,

          I recall:
          Quote: cat Rusich
          Problems of the Soviet PT Artillery in the Second World War - not a weapon (its caliber).

          So, for the times of the Second World War, the argument that in 1937 a gun punched everybody would not work. In the Second World War you need to break through those tanks that are here and now, and not those that were once. smile
          Quote: cat Rusich
          The bulk, in short most of the tanks attacked 22 June 1941 on the USSR T-2, T-3 ...

          I will clarify - upgraded after the French campaign T-3 with enhanced armor protection.
        2. 0
          31 May 2019 21: 06
          Quote: cat Rusich
          The thickness of the frontal armor T-4 30mm, 50mm will become after the French campaign ,,.

          Cemented armor. It is like 40 and 67 mm Soviet.
  13. SSJ
    +3
    30 May 2019 00: 05
    In a tense fight with the best examples of world anti-tank artillery, the winner... the winner... of course the winner was the 45-mm gun M1932, USSR, about which the artillerymen of the "forty-fives" had a saying: "Salary twice as high - life is twice as short" and which the artillerymen affectionately called "farewell, Motherland!"
    1. 0
      31 May 2019 21: 10
      Quote: SSJ
      of course won the 45-mm gun M1932

      And that, to tell the truth, is a 47 mm Hotchkiss naval gun mod. 1887, delivered by the Germans to a field machine. The money for the license for its production was still Russian, and the money for work on its adaptation on land was Soviet. Here is the entire "domestic work package".
  14. +6
    30 May 2019 00: 23
    The Swedes then the poor why missed with their unforgettable BOFORS 37mm?
    And the Finns fought with them, and the Poles, Romanians, Germans.
    Even the Soviet units used captured Finnish weapons on the Leningrad front!
  15. +2
    30 May 2019 00: 26

    German comic drawing 1943, dedicated to the evolution of German anti-tank artillery:
    from light VETs moved by the forces of calculation - to heavy ACS capable of traveling with a tool and calculation.
  16. 0
    30 May 2019 01: 37
    The best anti-tank gun of the Second World War was the German 88mm anti-aircraft gun. At the beginning of the war, only it was effective against the T-34 and especially the KV. And what the Germans put on the Ferdinands and Tigers was also a variation on the 88 theme, but regular anti-aircraft guns were also regularly rolled out against tanks until the end of the war. Well, the Soviet 85mm anti-aircraft gun, which was a distant relative of the German 88, also worked well against armored vehicles, at the beginning of the war on an anti-aircraft mount, and then as a tank gun on the T-34 and KV-85.
    1. +2
      30 May 2019 04: 22
      Quote: Nagan
      The best anti-tank gun of World War II was the German 88mm anti-aircraft gun.

      And why not the British QF 17 pounder?
      FlaK 18 / 36 / 37 is basically Flakthat was created NOT as anti-tank.
      But in any case, in the anti-tank aspect of the QF 17 pounder looks much more advantageous.
    2. 0
      30 May 2019 05: 31
      laughing That's true. And in second place are anti-tank mines and aircraft NURS. Actually, both of the mentioned weapons were not anti-tank. The authors specifically emphasized that they would be writing about anti-tank guns...
    3. 0
      31 May 2019 21: 14
      Quote: Nagan
      The best anti-tank gun of World War II was the German 88mm anti-aircraft gun.

      An anti-aircraft gun, in principle, cannot be a good PT gun. This is a huge barn, which is enough for a couple of shots against a normal tank and crew.
      Quote: Nagan
      And the fact that the Germans put on Ferdinands and Tigers was also a variation on the topic of 88

      Actually, no.
      Ferdinands and Tigrah-2 were completely different guns. With 88 anti-aircraft guns, they had only one thing in common, the caliber number.
      Quote: Nagan
      Well, the Soviet 85mm anti-aircraft gun, which was a distant relative of the German 88, also did a good job against armored vehicles

      So-so. For lack of a better use and her. But in fact, very so-so.
  17. 0
    30 May 2019 11: 06
    45 is a great tool! Especially if it is applied correctly, the goals for it were up to August 45. Not the Tigers with the Panthers, of course, but the enemy had a lot of and various other armored vehicles. Yes, and against the infantry well. Its only drawback is the poor, unfortunately, quality of the armor-piercing projectile, especially at the initial stage of the war. When an armor-piercing projectile did not pierce what should have been pierced through the tabular data. The problem seemed to be solved only in 43.
    1. 0
      30 May 2019 11: 50
      Yeah, and with proper use, even Panthers died from one pill, like for example with junior lieutenant A. Pegov, the T-70 also had 45-ka
    2. 0
      31 May 2019 20: 51
      Quote: Trapper7
      45 is a great tool!

      Great Somewhere before 1937-38, not later.
      Quote: Trapper7
      Not the Tigers with the Panthers, of course, but the enemy had a lot of and various other armored vehicles.

      Alas, but with "other different armored vehicles" also somehow came out badly.
      Quote: Trapper7
      Yes, and against the infantry well.

      Yes? What is this, a low-powered 45 mm grenade?
      Quote: Trapper7
      Its only drawback is the poor, unfortunately, quality of the armor-piercing projectile, especially at the initial stage of the war.

      The quality was normal, Soviet. Therefore, the performance characteristics were not very always.
      Quote: Trapper7
      When an armor-piercing projectile did not pierce what should have been pierced through the tabular data.

      I would venture to suggest that in general not a single Soviet field (I mean, standing in combat ranks) the gun did this. This is the USSR, the product quality was still that.
      Quote: Trapper7
      The problem seemed to be solved only in 43.

      Panthers and Tigers burned in bundles?
      1. 0
        3 June 2019 11: 29
        Quote: Urfin22
        Alas, but with "other different armored vehicles" also somehow came out badly.

        There were a lot of light armored vehicles, armored vehicles, armored cars, in some places even t2 and t3 remained. What is not a target?
        Quote: Urfin22
        Yes? What is this, a low-powered 45 mm grenade?

        Of course, they will not go against fortifications, but against the infantry in the open area it’s quite to itself.
        Quote: Urfin22
        Panthers and Tigers burned in bundles?

        And what, besides them in the Wehrmacht, there was no more equipment?
  18. 0
    30 May 2019 11: 19
    > Simply no one could predict the appearance of such monsters as the KV-30, for example, in the mid-2s. Therefore, no one really prepared.
    French Char B1 bis with 60 mm armor - in series production with 1937 g., SOMUA S35 with 47 mm armor - with 1935 g.
    English Matilda with armor 60 mm - in mass production with 1937 g.
    1. 0
      30 May 2019 17: 03
      Quote: Giulio Cesare
      French Char B1 bis with 60 mm armor - in series production with 1937 g., SOMUA S35 with 47 mm armor - with 1935 g.

      There was also H35 with armor in 45 mm.
  19. -1
    30 May 2019 11: 44
    > Soviet T-34-76 successfully crushed German Pak 35/36 batteries with tracks. The gunners, on the other hand, could only temporarily disable the tanks by interrupting the tracks or jamming the turret. We are silent about the KV, since there was no chance of even scratching this tank.

    Sub-caliber armor-piercing 37-mm projectiles in 1941 were punched into the side of the T-34 with 200 m, KV with 50 m. Then the Germans invented super-caliber shells for these guns.
  20. +1
    30 May 2019 12: 04
    Soviet T-34-76 successfully crushed German batteries Pak 35 / 36 tracks. The gunners could only destroy the tanks for a short time by interrupting trucks or jamming the turret. We are silent about HF, as there was no chance of even scratching this tank.

    The T-34-76 conditionally invulnerable for 37 mm PAK beat only the front part of the body.
    With a projectile projectile, the gun had a chance against the HF at a very close distance.
    The German 50 mm pt gun for some reason is not in comparison, and there were more than a thousand of them in the Wehrmacht in the summer of 1941.
  21. +2
    30 May 2019 12: 49
    With 16 "forty-guns" for the entire rifle division, and the absence of tactics for anti-tank units in 1941, the guns were "smeared" along the front, plus half of the crappy armor-piercing shells that split against the armor of the Panzers, and so we have the result - the Wehrmacht near Moscow 4 months after the start of the war. And the ZiS-5, according to the "wise" decision of Marshal Kulik, was excessively powerful (well, and more expensive). But for the cheapness they had to pay the most expensive: the lives of Soviet soldiers! I think that one ZiS-2, capable of penetrating any Panzer from a distance of a kilometer with a guarantee (!!!) in 2 would have cost less than 1941 PTR, or many boxes of Molotov cocktails! When the Red Army soldiers fired at Panzers almost point-blank, suffering huge losses...
    1. +1
      30 May 2019 16: 40
      Quote: nnz226
      And the ZiS-2, according to the "wise" decision of Marshal Kulik, was excessively powerful (well, and more expensive).

      "Excess capacity" is a myth from the Soviet era.
      GlavPUR could not give out the true reason for the withdrawal from production of the ZIS-2: excessive huge losses of 76-mm divisional guns and the formation of new divisions not foreseen by any mob-plans. As a result, the production of "three-inch guns" (even taking into account its growth due to simplification) did not cover the needs of the army, and it was necessary to replace the 57-mm guns with a divisional in production.
      Because the basis of the firepower of a rifle division is artillery, and without 76-mm divisions, the formation of new divisions does not make sense.

      As for the power of the 57-mm gun, it was calculated based on the dismal results of firing 45-mm anti-tank guns. Which with high-quality BB guns penetrated 40 mm of German armor from only 150 m. And also based on intelligence reports about the strengthening of armor protection of German tanks to 50-60 mm (coincided with reality) and the development in the Reich of new tanks with armor of 80-100 mm (also coincided with reality).
      Quote: nnz226
      I think one ZiS-2, capable of having a kilometer distance guaranteed (!!!) to punch through any panzer in 1941, would cost less than an 20 MFR, or many boxes with petrol bombs!

      ZIS-2 cost more than 4 divisions. Without which the front would not have seen the new divisions - for without the artillery the division is a crowd of soldiers with rifles equal in strength to a pair of battalions.
      And further. PTR could be made on the factories that made the shooter. They have problems with the manufacture of long-trunk already managed to overcome.
      The trunk of the ZIS-2 could make the 2 plant per country. Which have been hammered by other extremely necessary orders above a roof. Yes, and the marriage of the trunks was quite high.
  22. +1
    30 May 2019 15: 19
    Just no one in the middle of 30-s could predict the appearance of monsters such as KV-2, for example. Because especially no one was preparing.

    Hmm ... in the mid-30s was already in the Char B1 series (forehead 60 mm). There was H35 (forehead 45 mm). And the Island Empire began developing the Matilda (forehead 60 mm).
    The tendency to increase the security of tanks for the same French was seen quite clearly.
  23. +2
    30 May 2019 15: 22
    Soviet T-34-76 successfully crushed German batteries Pak 35 / 36 tracks. The gunners could only destroy the tanks for a short time by interrupting trucks or jamming the turret. We are silent about HF, as there was no chance of even scratching this tank.

    And now we take the results of domestic tests 37-mm PTP with captured BP on our armor:
    37-mm anti-tank gun PaK.36, ordinary armor-piercing:
    The 45-mm sheet normal showed a rear strength limit of 700 meters - that is, starting from 700 meters the “mallet” can dig through the side and the T-34 turret.

    37-mm anti-tank gun PaK.36, sub-caliber:
    75-mm sheet along the normal showed the durability limit of 180 m, the limit of penetration through the 120 m.
    45-mm sheet along the normal showed the limit of the durability of 440 meters, the limit of penetration through the 350 meters, at an angle of 30 degrees from the normal 200 and 150 meters, respectively.

    I.e. under favorable conditions, the 37-mm PTP still punched the T-34.
  24. +3
    30 May 2019 16: 28
    At the beginning of the article we promised to tell about the incorrect conclusions of our military after the Soviet-Finnish war. This directly concerns the 45-mm anti-tank gun. Lightly armored Finnish vehicles and the same “cardboard” tanks were easy prey for the MKNUMX. Therefore, the development of new VET decided to postpone until the solution of more pressing problems.

    Ah-hrenet, I apologize for my clutch!
    That is, the GAN 1940 order for the development of 57-mm PTP (for a change of 45-mm), an order for long-barreled 45-mm as insurance for works on 57-mm and an order for 107-mm PTP is delayed the development of new VET?
    As a result of pre-war developments, for example, such a monster appeared:

    The TK for this 107-mm PTP was recorded: armor penetration - 160 mm on 1000 m.
    The beginning of the Great Patriotic War showed the stupidity of this conclusion. However, even when it “caught fire,” for some reason, instead of urgently setting up the release of the same 57-mm anti-tank Grabin cannons, the artillery command of the Red Army preferred to modernize the old forty-five. The upgrade consisted in lengthening the barrel (from 46 to 66 gauges). This significantly increased the effectiveness of the M1942 gun.

    In fact, 57-mm anti-tank guns at the beginning of the war just made. And the fierce, rabid shortage of divisional guns that the army lost in such quantities (01.09.41 from 3094 from 8513 76-mm divisions was lost on 6463, by the end of the year - 57 guns), which even a tenfold increase in their output did not cover the loss, forced them out of production. + requirements of the newly formed divisions. Therefore, we had to exchange in the production of one highly specialized 3-mm PTP on 4-57 divisions. Moreover, the production of 57-mm trunks went with great difficulty, and there was no fragmentation XNUMX-mm projectile (half the expenditure of the BP TAP is just the OS).
    1. +1
      30 May 2019 17: 52
      Apparently, the authors in the next issue will talk about 57mm guns
  25. 0
    30 May 2019 17: 46
    I read somewhere that in the Soviet Union the PMA of 47mm shells remained "sea and ocean" and therefore developed a 45mm caliber. I would like to know so or not?
  26. +1
    31 May 2019 10: 58
    From the book of D.N. Bolotin "Soviet Small Arms" (Moscow: Voenizdat, 1983, p. 260):

    "Former People's Commissar of Armament BL Vannikov, in his notes published in 1962, wrote:" As I remember, at the beginning of 1941 the head of GAU G.I. Kulik told me that, according to intelligence, the German army is rapidly re-equipping its armored forces with tanks with increased thickness and improved quality of armor, and all our 45 - 76 mm artillery will be ineffective against them. In addition, they will allegedly have 100 mm cannons. In this regard, the question was raised of stopping the production of 455-76 mm guns of all variants. "
    - Military history magazine, 1962, N2, p. 79-80.

    "Despite the objections of the workers of the People's Commissariat of Armament against the withdrawal from production of 45- and 76-mm tank and anti-tank guns for the reason that quite recently, in 1940, most German tanks were armed with 37- and 50 mm guns and had armor that was successfully hit our artillery, and that in a short time the Germans could not provide a sharp leap in strengthening their tank equipment, the production of these guns was discontinued and the equipment was dismantled.
    For the same erroneous reasons, at the insistence of G.I. Kulik was also asked about the expediency of anti-tank rifles, and on August 26, 1940 they were removed from service "
    - Archive MO USSR, f.81, 12106, d.96, l.116.
    1. 0
      31 May 2019 19: 57
      Quote: riwas
      In this regard, the question was raised about the termination of the production of 455-76 mm guns of all variants "

      Quote: riwas
      at the insistence of G.I. Kulik was also asked about the feasibility of anti-tank guns,

      Kulik said it all right. But instead of these weapons, he, as the head of the GAU, did not offer anything new. Therefore, after the start of the war, the production of this rubbish had to be resumed. For lack of anything better.
  27. +1
    31 May 2019 19: 27
    Good stuff. The authors just did not mention the shells, which, in fact, beat tanks and armored vehicles. For example, the party of shells to our forty-five in 1941 was defective, which in some cases led to the low effectiveness of the guns on the battlefield. But how was the situation with the neighbors?
    We are waiting for the continuation of the material. Although the second half of the war, the first place in practical efficiency (total) was taken by our ZIS-2. even with more powerful guns, including BS-3.
  28. -1
    31 May 2019 20: 40
    The article asks the question - what kind of PT gun from the presented in the article is better? My answer is 45 (M32). What happened to the Red Army since 22? June 1941? Conversation for a separate article. WITHOUT FISH FOR EARS WILL WALK and WORM (if you want to eat too much). To whom 1941g was not enough near Moscow, the old ones, 45-ok, received an MFR (Degtyaryov or Simonov), a bunch of RPG-40, Molotov cocktails, ...
  29. 0
    31 May 2019 23: 17
    Since the authors made a vote, it would be a logical continuation of ... A serious article about the leaders of the poll. Perhaps three articles.
    We wait?
  30. 0
    31 May 2019 23: 41
    I liked the article. Well, I have nothing to do with guns. Maybe there are some "shortcomings". But we are also taught at first that the earth is a sphere. Then, it turns out it is not a sphere, but a geodide. Then it turns out that it is neither a sphere nor a geodide...then...if I were to go to graduate school, it might turn out that the earth is shaped like a suitcase.
    But what initial knowledge the authors give. Who cares - google. Who vzroschen on criticism ...
    Don't forget, this is a popular science-patriotic site. With a military focus.
    No matter how much I read the articles of Staver and Skomorokhova, I could never find fault with it. Well, rather, seriously carp. On trifles of course you can.
    Is it necessary?
    Scandalists?
    Seekers of Truth?
    Wrestlers for the restoration of historical justice?
    Tsetse fly protection society?
    Sapienti Sat.
    From HB Alexey.
  31. 0
    1 June 2019 15: 27
    My partner's grandfather fought the whole war on 45-mm, Three orders and not a single scratch! Here it happens!
  32. 0
    4 June 2019 09: 41
    Some strange reasonings about 45. For ZIS-2, there really were no targets before the advent of German cats. And it is much more expensive and expensive. A large part of the German tank fleet fought well from the 45-current to the middle of 1943. Plus already established production. Therefore, they modernized the M1932, and did not rush to make new plants for 57 mm.
  33. 0
    3 February 2026 11: 05
    ...a copy of this gun was called... in the USSR - the M30 anti-tank gun.

    The USSR's copy of the 3,7 cm Pak 35/36 was not called the M30 anti-tank gun. It was called the 37 mm anti-tank gun model 1930 (1-K).
    And the 45-mm gun was not called M1932, it was called the 45-mm anti-tank gun model 1932 (19-K).
    M30, M1932 - blind adherence to the Anglo-Saxon tracing paper, no one knows why.