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C-70 "Hunter" was tested for a jump in Novosibirsk

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According to the news agency TASS, actually conducted the first flight tests of the Russian drone drone. We are talking about the UAV "Hunter".


C-70 "Hunter" was tested for a jump in Novosibirsk


The report says that the Hunter heavy unmanned aerial vehicle first flew into the air. It is hardly possible to call this a full-fledged flight, since the purpose of the testers was to check the parameters when detached from the runway.

“Hunter”, having accomplished acceleration, demonstrated a so-called jump, climbed several meters, breaking away from the runway of the airfield of the Novosibirsk aircraft plant. After the jump, the drone, as noted, immediately landed.

In this case, the reports say that the shock UAV passed this kind of test in early spring. The exact date is not called.

Recall that the Hunter C-70 UAV, an unmanned percussion device that belongs to the class of UAVs of low radar visibility, is made using stealth technology. The tests carried out on the very same jump allowed the creators of the combat unmanned vehicle to check its aerodynamics, handling and operation of the onboard systems.

According to data published in open sources, the maximum take-off weight is 25 t, while the C-70 “Hunter” is capable of carrying up to 2,8 t armaments. The range is 5000 km, the maximum speed is up to 1400 km / h.
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  1. CCCP 2.0
    CCCP 2.0 25 May 2019 06: 12
    25
    We are waiting for the release of "Hunter" to hunt
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 25 May 2019 06: 15
      -31 qualifying.
      Ten years later, not earlier.
      1. KCA
        KCA 25 May 2019 06: 24
        -11 qualifying.
        This is a UAV, there is no risk for pilots, tests can be immediately carried out in conjunction with combat use, weapons will be interfaced with on-board systems and alga
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 25 May 2019 09: 27
          17
          Quote: KCA
          tests can be immediately carried out in conjunction with combat use,

          what a stupid thing, however. Are you going to send a completely crude device to participate in the database? And if the control is covered, or engines? What kind of gift is it for the enemy ... And if the guidance system turns off, and he puts the ammunition not in the target, but in a peaceful way or in his own way? It will be wonderful))

          Tests for that and tests, in order to identify all the flaws and eliminate them, exposing the apparatus as little as possible to those using it
          1. GAF
            GAF 25 May 2019 12: 53
            +5
            Quote: Gregory_45
            Tests for that and tests, in order to identify all the flaws and eliminate them, exposing the apparatus as little as possible to those using it

            You're right. According to TASS: "A specialized fighter-laboratory Su-57 is involved in testing the drone, on which the onboard equipment of the Hunter is tested in flight."
        2. complete zero
          complete zero 26 May 2019 06: 52
          +1
          where will you get spare parts?)))))))
          1. Nadrub
            Nadrub 26 May 2019 09: 10
            +4
            As where ?
            On aliexpress, there are sales and discounts for regular customers :)
            1. complete zero
              complete zero 26 May 2019 09: 51
              0
              that's for sure))))
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 May 2019 10: 04
        +4
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Ten years later, not earlier.

        I don’t think .... rather years through 5. All the same, this is not a full fighter and there is not one important factor affecting the timing of commissioning, it is the pilot.
        1. iConst
          iConst 25 May 2019 10: 30
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: Pessimist22
          Ten years later, not earlier.

          I don’t think .... rather years through 5. All the same, this is not a full fighter and there is not one important factor affecting the timing of commissioning, it is the pilot.

          Here, as always, there are a lot of factors - how well it was built "on paper", what forces and qualifications of personnel. Because a group of talented and passionate designers can move the work forward for months. Or, on the contrary, to mark time and only think, "Have we asked too little?"

          But the characteristics of the device are very serious. I do not envy those who fall under his "distribution". smile
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 25 May 2019 11: 01
            +1
            Everything is already being created on CAD - they are also tested there, paper is needed only at the end, for printing the received design and assembly drawings.
            1. sdc_alex
              sdc_alex 25 May 2019 21: 26
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              Everything is already being created on CAD - they are also tested there, paper is needed only at the end, for printing the received design and assembly drawings.

              Eeeeeh .... Your words, but to God’s ears
        2. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 25 May 2019 10: 44
          +7
          Quote: NEXUS
          there is no one important factor affecting the timing of commissioning, this is the pilot.

          when and how did the presence / absence of a pilot affect the timing of commissioning new equipment? What does he have to do with it? They bring the equipment (on-board systems, etc.), which in no way depends on the presence of a person on board. On the contrary, there are more such systems on drones and they are more complicated, which in general should only increase the complexity of the development
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 25 May 2019 13: 02
            -3
            Quote: Gregory_45
            when and how did the presence / absence of a pilot affect the timing of commissioning new equipment?

            Life support systems, visual control systems, etc. ... all this for UAVs is not necessary on board ... but in order to develop these systems, it takes time. It’s good if everything is developed on time and without time shifts, but this is still not possible with us.
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 25 May 2019 13: 30
              +4
              Quote: NEXUS
              Life support systems

              This, of course, is so, but the UAV also needs specialized equipment:
              - automatic flight system (to continue the flight in case of loss of communication or offline actions),
              - automatic landing system
              - broadband, high-speed and anti-interference telemetry control and transmission equipment
              - software for all this stuff, which is not written on the knee
              - Etc.
              Do not assume that UAVs are simpler than a manned aircraft
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 25 May 2019 13: 46
                0
                Quote: Gregory_45
                Do not assume that UAVs are simpler than a manned aircraft

                Right? That is, according to your SU-57 and Hunter in terms of complexity and range of tasks, are these devices of the same complexity of creation?
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 25 May 2019 13: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  SU-57 and Hunter in terms of complexity and range of tasks are devices of the same difficulty of creation?

                  incorrect comparison. Devices different in class and tasks, with different requirements and functionality. It is necessary to compare a manned and unmanned fighter, for example. And the first is easier to create. Moreover, it will be better in all respects than the second)
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 25 May 2019 13: 55
                    -1
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    It is necessary to compare a manned and unmanned fighter, for example.

                    And SU-57 is the fighter. Do not want to compare it with heavy IFIs, let's compare it with the average MIG-35. Has it become easier?
                    1. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 25 May 2019 13: 58
                      0
                      You began to compare the fighter and strike UAV.
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      SU-57 and Hunter

                      This is incorrect, as I said. Simply put, you began to compare the fighter and the unmanned reconnaissance bomber. OK, do you think?
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 25 May 2019 14: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        On the contrary, there are more such systems on drones and they are more complicated, which in general should only increase the complexity of the development

                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        when and how did the presence / absence of a pilot affect the timing of commissioning new equipment?

                        Your questions and words?
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        This is incorrect, as I said. Simply put, you began to compare the fighter and the unmanned reconnaissance bomber. OK, do you think?

                        You claim that it makes no difference whether to design a fighter or an attack UAV ...
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        It is necessary to compare a manned and unmanned fighter, for example. And the first is easier to create. Moreover, it will be better in all respects than the second)

                        And these are your words ... so I asked, is your MIG-35 easier to develop than a Hunter? Your UAV answer is harder to create ...
                      2. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 25 May 2019 14: 46
                        -1
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        You claim that it makes no difference to develop a fighter or strike UAV.

                        Am i claiming yah? A quote - in a study)) It seems to me, you have already come up with and conjecture (very crookedly) started for me
                      3. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 25 May 2019 15: 12
                        -1
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        Am I saying? yah? Quote - to study))

                        I brought her ... your words ... well, I will quote you again ..
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        It is necessary to compare a manned and unmanned fighter, for example. And the first is easier to create.

                        So who dodges, dear?
                      4. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 25 May 2019 15: 17
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        So who dodges, dear?

                        yes you exercise)
                        Since they didn’t understand what I wrote, I’ll explain (though, in black, like in Russian):
                        - A manned aircraft (fighter) is simpler than an unmanned (fighter).
                        - if you undertake to compare something, compare correctly. Machines of the same class and purpose. And not a Lada with a MAN truck, or a fighter with a bomber. Is it clear now?

                        And, mind you. not a word about where I would say, as you say, that
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        it makes no difference fighter design or strike UAV

                        You invented it yourself
                      5. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 25 May 2019 15: 28
                        -2
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        - if you undertake to compare something, compare correctly. Machines of the same class and purpose.

                        And who wrote here, I? ..
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        It is necessary to compare a manned and unmanned fighter, for example. And the first is easier to create.

                        In this case, you argue that the manned fighter is easier to create than an attack UAV. And when I asked you what is easier to create MIG-35 or Hunter, you started to write about incorrectness here.
                      6. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 25 May 2019 15: 34
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        And who wrote here, I? ..
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        It is necessary to compare a manned and unmanned fighter, for example. And the first is easier to create.

                        that's it, I wrote that) Well, what is incomprehensible to you in what is written? ..)

                        Quote: NEXUS
                        At the same time, you claim that it is easier to create a manned fighter than an attack UAV

                        not than shock UAV, but than an unmanned fighter) You yourself bring my quote. I look at the book - I see a fig? ..))

                        Quote: NEXUS
                        And when I asked you what is easier to create a MIG-35 or a Hunter, you started writing about incorrectness here

                        and absolutely true. Because you are comparing the incomparable. You always get it: which is better, a gun or a ship?

                        For this I think the dialogue is over, because it smoothly moved from the field of technology to the plane of casuistry
                    2. Rzzz
                      Rzzz 27 May 2019 00: 29
                      0
                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      - A manned aircraft (fighter) is simpler than an unmanned (fighter).

                      For a long time, not everything is so simple. All modern aircraft are controlled by the EMDS, and it is there that the system solves all the tasks of controlling the aircraft according to the pilot's commands. The drone has a similar system, only integrated with an advanced autopilot.
  • aftbreeze
    aftbreeze 25 May 2019 15: 21
    +1
    You underestimate the capabilities of the military industry. In a year it will fly with a bang!
  • 210ox
    210ox 25 May 2019 20: 13
    0
    Yes, and the engine already worked out in production can be installed. I think that they will do it earlier.
  • Zhelezyakin
    Zhelezyakin 27 May 2019 11: 07
    0
    There is a pilot, he’s only on the ground)))
  • Greg Miller
    Greg Miller 25 May 2019 10: 47
    -11 qualifying.
    Soon, by 2030, they will buy as many as 10 pieces for the Russian Air Force of these unmatched drones in the world ...
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 25 May 2019 11: 11
      +7
      Quote: Greg Miller
      Soon, by 2030, they will buy as many as 10 pieces for the Russian Air Force of these unmatched drones in the world ...

      And we will all die winked
      Maybe we won’t even buy ten, but we must do it all the same.
  • Nick
    Nick 26 May 2019 13: 52
    0
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Ten years later, not earlier.

    Where does infa come from? Are your personal assumptions or MO plans available?
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 25 May 2019 06: 41
    +5
    C-70 "Hunter" was tested for a jump in Novosibirsk
    An anecdote in the subject.
    A man was about to hang himself.
    There is no money. There is no work. My wife is gone. I tied a loop. I climbed onto a stool. She was watching something glisten on the wardrobe. Look, stash of Chikushka. Tears. They smoked, drank. And so philosophically looking at the ceiling.
    -And life is getting better! laughing
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 25 May 2019 06: 58
      0
      Quote: KCA
      tests can be immediately carried out in conjunction with combat use

      I think that it’s not lit and it’s not accepted. As long as the device does not gain air and becomes a full-fledged product, it will not leave uninhabited areas of the landfill. It’s interesting how compact the control unit is --- can it be placed on a military transporter or intelligence officer. A special topic --- Management with a promising fighter, interaction.
      1. Eragon
        Eragon 25 May 2019 07: 17
        +4
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        I wonder how compact the control unit is --- can it be placed on a military transporter or scout.

        Nope, not interesting. Have you seen the system unit at home? He has no more. The algorithm is a bit interesting, but they won't tell us about it. And there is no AI yet, and there won't be any without quantum computers. If they say otherwise, they are lying, just a fancy program with a bunch of links like "if ... then ..." Several real-time systems are attached to the main block. However, they are already on any modern technology.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 25 May 2019 08: 11
          0
          with a bunch of links like "if ... then ..."
          Like "do ... case" too. And not much more.
          1. Eragon
            Eragon 25 May 2019 09: 06
            +2
            Quote: abrakadabre
            with a bunch of links like "if ... then ..."
            Like "do ... case" too. And not much more.

            I am the same age as the dinosaurs. When writing a diploma, there was nothing more complicated than Basic. bully
            1. P12P
              P12P 25 May 2019 09: 20
              +1
              fortran, lisp and cobol appeared before basic and are still used
              1. Eragon
                Eragon 25 May 2019 09: 38
                +2
                Quote: P12P
                fortran, lisp and cobol appeared before basic and are still used

                So I'm never a programmer. It was necessary, let’s say, to teach several pieces of iron to be friends with each other. He made another piece of iron, as BASIC could learn, wrote a program for it.
                First love, however. And the only one. smile
                1. avg avg
                  avg avg 25 May 2019 18: 42
                  0
                  Monsieur understands a lot about perversions!
        2. Gray brother
          Gray brother 25 May 2019 08: 16
          0
          Quote: Eragon
          He has no more.

          The military usually has all electronic components with a minimum finger thickness. Plus protection against EMP - shielding and all kinds of arresters.
          I still think that more.
        3. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 25 May 2019 08: 16
          18
          Quote: Eragon
          But there is no AI yet, and there will be no quantum computers.

          If you inhale a full-fledged AI into a drone, it will not fly out on any combat mission without providing security guarantees to him and his entire family, certified by the EDS of the Minister of Defense, and will also request a new charging station for himself.
          The Americans ended in failure tests of an aerial bomb with AI. The "smart" bomb could not be pushed out of the bomb bay. laughing
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 25 May 2019 08: 28
            +4
            Quote: Polite Elk
            The Americans failed in testing the bomb with AI.

            At the moment, "AI" is just big words applied to software that uses complex algorithms.
            Since these algorithms are one hell based on machine logic like "yes / no", all "meaningful" actions are reduced to a simple comparison of given and incoming data.
            Intelligence there does not smell.
            1. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 25 May 2019 09: 17
              +6
              Quote: Gray Brother
              Intelligence there does not smell.

              But how loud it sounds! Although, in relation to the level of existing special software, it would be more correct to apply the term: "AI elements".
              It will be possible to talk about AI when the control unit, for example, an attack UAV, begins to admire Pushkin’s work, argue with Kiselyov and refuse to offer the bank a soft loan.
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 25 May 2019 09: 25
                +3
                Quote: Polite Elk
                It will be possible to talk about AI when the control unit, for example, an attack UAV, begins to admire Pushkin’s work, argue with Kiselyov and refuse to offer the bank a soft loan.

                When an ancient person first got a club on the head, then it immediately became clear to him that intellect cannot function without consciousness. laughing
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 25 May 2019 13: 09
                  0
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  When an ancient person first got a club on the head, then it immediately became clear to him that intellect cannot function without consciousness. laughing
                  At first there was a word .... Everything else, including intelligence, then.
            2. rotor
              rotor 25 May 2019 10: 11
              0
              At the moment, "AI" is just big words

              Machine learning algorithms draw conclusions based on data, the more data, the better they get it. And they do not need to be programmed; they program themselves. A person has the same thing, the more he knows, the more correct conclusions he draws.
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 25 May 2019 10: 28
                +4
                Quote: rotor
                Machine learning algorithms draw conclusions based on data,

                They do not draw conclusions, but automatically try to prescribe new algorithms if it is impossible to apply existing ones. Not always successful, I must say.
                1. rotor
                  rotor 25 May 2019 11: 07
                  0
                  Like a person, in case of failure, he tries to find a new solution.
            3. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 25 May 2019 10: 59
              +4
              "on machine logic like" yes / no "all" meaningful "actions are reduced to a simple comparison of the given and incoming data." ////
              -----
              It depends on who is writing this machine logic. If "ifa" is written by a programmer,
              then this is a regular program. It can be tricky, but it's not AI.
              For example, F-35 aircraft software - more than 10 million lines of code, but there is no AI in F-35.
              But if the new "ifa" is written by the computer itself, right during the execution of the initial
              tasks written by a human programmer, then this is AI.
              AI is a self-learning computer program that complements and
              rewrites itself without human intervention.
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 25 May 2019 17: 38
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                it’s a self-learning computer program,

                It does not change anything.
        4. Philby
          Philby 25 May 2019 10: 18
          0
          not links but branching, in actual languages ​​then long ago omitted as unnecessary, stupidly if and else
        5. rotor
          rotor 25 May 2019 10: 24
          0
          just a fancy program with a bunch of links like "if ... then ..."

          A person also reasoned in IF-ELSE ELSE categories.
          1. iConst
            iConst 25 May 2019 12: 58
            0
            Quote: rotor
            just a fancy program with a bunch of links like "if ... then ..."

            A person also reasoned in IF-ELSE ELSE categories.

            It is often simpler - "Fuck it all!" ... laughing
        6. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 25 May 2019 14: 17
          -1
          The systematic cube can be flattened into the core, the power of technology, etc. The silicicon worm came to the place of the iron horse. But some are old-fashioned, for example, Oleg, who will be able to feel it for up to 100 years
        7. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 25 May 2019 15: 01
          0
          Quote: Eragon
          Nah, not interesting. Sistemnik at home saw

          The fact of the matter is that you put reinforced conduits and the general protection for the discharge lock /// roughly //// y, it will fly like a cute one and not so conquered the Air. ".... Akhtung, akhtung Russian drones in the sky! and jive before such an event, ten years just before such a holiday of air sports. Our business is small, squeezed the extension of the barrel tighter and wait until the end of the shelling. The cut was cut for you 3 more lives ahead. So you will go, because the Russian Guard is not different From victory to victory, the united Russian people march triumphantly through the fetters of history. Here are they ... barbel grenadiers!
        8. Hwostatij
          Hwostatij 25 May 2019 22: 45
          0
          What epic stupidity ... are you generally in the subject of programming, neural networks?
        9. dauria
          dauria 26 May 2019 00: 28
          0
          And there is no AI yet, and without quantum computers there will be no. If they say otherwise, they are lying, just a fancy program with a bunch of links like "if ... then ..."


          What ... laughing Well, it will surprise you a little that you also have a program in your head, the same rings, handling hardware interrupts, standard BIOS procedures, caching many processes, etc. Part of this program was created by Mother Nature, from the first vertebrate fish to monkeys. And it has been building up and rejecting for hundreds of millions of years both the hardware and the software according to only one criterion - "Manage to survive and give offspring." It was given to you in the form of a gene kit by dad and mom. The other part was given to you by society (starting from the herd). This part has already been written in high-level language with pictures, gestures, behavior patterns and finally words.
          By the way, in herds of monkeys there is a language, about a hundred words. Moreover, the neighboring herds have matching words.
          But the good thing is that you don’t need to copy the mind - a raven flies better than any person without knowledge of Zhukovsky’s formula, can search and catch prey, defend itself from enemies, learn new things. And yet with everything he knows how to make and raise chicks and does not ask anyone to eat. laughing
          But seriously - the forecast of AI by the year 2030, the price is $ 2000 today. This is not a dreamer, but an authoritative special American
    2. maximum 8
      maximum 8 25 May 2019 14: 04
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      C-70 "Hunter" was tested for a jump in Novosibirsk
      An anecdote in the subject.
      A man was about to hang himself.
      There is no money. There is no work. My wife is gone. I tied a loop. I climbed onto a stool. She was watching something glisten on the wardrobe. Look, stash of Chikushka. Tears. They smoked, drank. And so philosophically looking at the ceiling.
      -And life is getting better! laughing

      And what is the connection between the fact that the S-70 was tested for a jump and your joke? Do not tell me?
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 25 May 2019 15: 14
        +1
        Quote: maximum 8
        And what is the connection between the fact that the S-70 was tested for a jump and your joke?

        I think that the connection itself is direct, philosophical, life is getting better, and already Russian shock drones are starting to jump into this happy, but doomed life for the infantryman.
      2. region58
        region58 26 May 2019 03: 14
        0
        Quote: maximum 8
        Could you tell?

        - Comrade Sergeant-Major, what is "logic"?
        - You see, Petrov, the toilet is on the mountain?
        - I see.
        - That's the way a man lives: he lives ... And he dies.
        yes
  • Sarmat Sanych
    Sarmat Sanych 25 May 2019 18: 41
    0
    The coolest car is the only supersonic UAV in the world. Yes, and heavy shock.
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 25 May 2019 06: 14
    0
    I wonder what practical ceiling is expected?
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 25 May 2019 06: 17
    +8
    If you think about it, then this (UAV) is the future of all aviation. Looking at history, probably the "Buran" of the USSR was a complete prototype of all UAVs.
    1. KCA
      KCA 25 May 2019 06: 28
      +7
      No, not all, but the UAV of the future, it completely independently, without operator intervention, made a flight and landing, modern UAVs are controlled by the operator and are capable of only some actions in case of loss of communication, for example, landing or turning back to the base
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 25 May 2019 08: 15
        -7
        No, not all, but the UAV of the future, it completely independently, without operator intervention, made a flight and landing, modern UAVs are controlled by the operator and are capable of only some actions in case of loss of communication, for example, landing or turning back to the base
        Actually Buran did the same: made a maneuver and landing at the base. Very cool for such a machine and from orbit, even by today's standards. But not enough. Now, if he himself requested the situation at the base during the gathering and independently made a decision on the aerodynamic maneuver to the emergency lane, if necessary ... That would already be the case for the present future.
        1. KCA
          KCA 25 May 2019 08: 45
          +8
          That's what he did, read about the landing, very interesting
        2. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 25 May 2019 09: 54
          10
          Quote: abrakadabre
          Buran did the same: maneuvered and landed at the base.

          no, not the same thing. Buran himself decided how to build a landing approach. And he didn’t go completely from where they were waiting for him. His electronic brains calculated (based on information available to him about weather conditions at the landing site) that it was better to go from the south direction, and not from the north, where he was supposed to come from. This flaw only emphasized the success of the creators of the program.

          In addition, at that time (and, perhaps, even today), even on equipped airfields, automation could bring well-equipped liners only to a height of 15 meters. Next - the crew, with pens.
        3. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 25 May 2019 09: 55
          +4
          Quote: abrakadabre
          Now, if he himself had requested the situation at the base during the gathering and independently made a decision on aerodynamic maneuver

          that’s what Buran did)
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 May 2019 06: 18
    10
    So its characteristics are slowly appearing. Previously, they wrote that it was subsonic, but now that the speed is 1400 km / h, and the range is 5000 km! If this is true, then we will catch up in terms of creating MODERN attack drones of the United States and Israelis - "trendsetters", so to speak, in the field of attack unmanned aircraft.
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 25 May 2019 08: 10
      +3
      Given the fact that no one called the official data, all of these 1500 and 5000 at the moment are simply someone else's conjectures.
    2. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 25 May 2019 09: 11
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      So its characteristics are slowly appearing

      Nothing appears. All data from pseudo-analysts and pseudo-experts of various "media", comparison of length, width, height and the like are not relevant. The real data will be provided by a competent representative of the "MO" or personally by the commander-in-chief, but this is usually called cartoons.
    3. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 25 May 2019 10: 05
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      So, its characteristics are slowly appearing. Earlier they wrote that it is subsonic, and now that the speed is 1400 km / h

      with high probability this is speculation. previously indicated a speed of the order of 1000 km / h, which is more like the truth. Based on the scheme, destination and range. This is a kind of reduced, simplified and unmanned version of the Shtatovskiy V-2. Well, or an analog of their own UAV RQ-170 Sentinel

      Now they can write speed in M ​​= 3 - believe it?
      1. maximum 8
        maximum 8 25 May 2019 10: 15
        -4
        1400 km / h is a very real speed. Compare the ratio of the weight of the Hunter and his engine thrust with the ratio of the weight of the F-35 and the engine thrust of the latter.
        A satellite image appeared on the web, which captures the latest Russian heavy-class strike drone "Hunter" at the airport in Akhtubinsk. Near the UAV are Su-57, MiG-29/35 fighters, as well as Su-34 bombers.

        From the picture we can conclude that the new 20-ton drone significantly exceeds the Su-57 in wingspan, but inferior in length. It is also known for certain that the "Hunter" is higher than the Su-57. Its height is approximately equal to the height of the Su-34 bomber.

        Estimated size of the device: wingspan - 17,6 m, height - 2,8 m, length - 13,6 m.

        In the picture you can also see 10 samples of weapons, which the drone, apparently, is able to use.

        Recall that Russian President Vladimir Putin visited Akhtubinsk on May 14, where he was shown the latest examples of air defense systems, as well as combat aircraft. Probably, the UAV “Okhotnik” was also shown to the president.

        UAV "Hunter" is being developed since 2012. The design of the device weighing up to 20 tons, on which the specialists of Sukhoi and MiG are working, involves equipment in a modular scheme, which will allow changing the payload depending on the type of combat mission. The maximum speed of the drone is estimated at 1 thousand km / h. The UAV will go into service by 2020.

        http://in24.org/technology/36301
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 25 May 2019 10: 35
          0
          Quote: maximum 8
          weight ratio ... and .. engine thrust
          - it is only thrust-to-weight ratio apparatus. Which has little in common with maximum speed.

          For example, the thrust-weight ratio of Saber F-86 is 0,38, and that of the Tu-160 missile carrier is 0,37. The speeds of both machines, I think, are known to you)) And the Su-25 has a thrust-weight ratio of generally 0,5. In your opinion, it should be faster than the Tu-160? ..))
        2. VIT101
          VIT101 25 May 2019 12: 22
          +2
          Quote: maximum 8
          1400 km / h quite real speed


          And why is he supersonic? One of its main characteristics is stealth. Upon transition to supersonic, it will immediately reveal itself. And he needs to quietly approach, strike and also quietly leave. Otherwise, he has no chance.
          1. maximum 8
            maximum 8 25 May 2019 14: 18
            -1
            Quote: VIT101
            Quote: maximum 8
            1400 km / h quite real speed


            And why is he supersonic? One of its main characteristics is stealth. Upon transition to supersonic, it will immediately reveal itself. And he needs to quietly approach, strike and also quietly leave. Otherwise, he has no chance.

            You do not mind that in April 2018, subsonic CRs with stealth technology such as Skalp aka Storm Sadou, Tomahawki, and they are much more inconspicuous than stealth aircraft having the ability to fly at subsonic speeds, including, were crashed out. much less chances than air defense, provided that aviation and air defense are of the same generation and in equal quantities. The artificial creation of a numerical and qualitative advantage (different generations of systems) and even plus the effect of surprise give the advantages of aviation, which we see on the example of Hal Haavir raids in Syria .
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 25 May 2019 15: 03
              0
              Quote: maximum 8
              You do not mind that in April 2018 subsonic CDs with stealth technology such as Skalp, aka Storm Sadow, Tomahawks

              But doesn’t it bother you that air defense is able to bring down a supersonic plane? If you can, you can destroy any aircraft.
              High speed is no longer a guarantee of invulnerability. Why did the United States abandon the Valkyrie and put its black birds in museums? And they gave more than 3 Machs ...

              A rocket is faster than the fastest aircraft.

              Stealth gives the aircraft a chance to penetrate into the airspace, strike and leave with minimal losses (compared to aircraft that do not have stealth technology elements). Detection zones are significantly reduced and the interception of such targets by air defense systems is difficult.
              1. maximum 8
                maximum 8 25 May 2019 15: 43
                -1
                Quote: Gregory_45
                Quote: maximum 8
                You do not mind that in April 2018 subsonic CDs with stealth technology such as Skalp, aka Storm Sadow, Tomahawks

                But doesn’t it bother you that air defense is able to bring down a supersonic plane? If you can, you can destroy any aircraft.
                High speed is no longer a guarantee of invulnerability. Why did the United States abandon the Valkyrie and put its black birds in museums? And they gave more than 3 Machs ...

                A rocket is faster than the fastest aircraft.

                Stealth gives the aircraft a chance to penetrate into the airspace, strike and leave with minimal losses (compared to aircraft that do not have stealth technology elements). Detection zones are significantly reduced and the interception of such targets by air defense systems is difficult.

                Russian and Chinese air defense workers say they see American stealth, Indians say that their Su-30MKI is seen by a 5th generation Chinese fighter, just don’t need to tell me about lenses that are supposedly to conceal the real characteristics of stealth and if they are removed then no one will see the stealth aircraft. This excuse has little to do with reality. In addition, due to work on ROFAR stealth technologies are not very promising. Put on the same MiG-35 ROFAR and it will not be priced. There will be a car for all occasions at the same time not expensive and multifunctional. Linking Su-57 and MiG-35 I hope our future Aviation naturally with ROFAR on board.
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 25 May 2019 15: 50
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                  Quote: maximum 8
                  Chinese air defense say that they see American stealth, the Indians say that their Su-30MKI see the 5th generation Chinese fighter.

                  they can say anything. And, most likely, this is true - because the planes fly with Luneberg lenses. Naturally, it will be visible on the radar, approximately the same as the 4th generation aircraft.

                  Quote: maximum 8
                  Just do not tell me about the lenses that are supposedly installed to conceal the real characteristics of stealth

                  it was about them that he said. Because they really are on airplanes - the photo is full. And they distort the real EPR of the aircraft.

                  Quote: maximum 8
                  and if you take them off no one will stealth planes see.

                  see, of course) there are no invisible aircraft. But from what distance is a big question.

                  Quote: maximum 8
                  This excuse has little to do with reality.

                  those. Do you not believe in the physical properties of Luneberg lenses?

                  Quote: maximum 8
                  In addition, due to the work on ROFAR stealth technologies are unpromising.

                  why, interesting? What is so wonderful about ROFAR? Or are they now being placed as radar-guided air defense systems or in GOS missiles? no? so what is the conversation about?

                  Quote: maximum 8
                  MiG-35 ROFAR and he will not be priced.

                  and well, if not. We do not need the MiG-35 (although this does not apply to the topic of conversation)
                  1. maximum 8
                    maximum 8 25 May 2019 16: 01
                    -1
                    those. Do you not believe in the physical properties of Luneberg lenses?

                    I do not believe in the tale of stealth without these lenses.
                    1. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 25 May 2019 16: 22
                      -1
                      Quote: maximum 8
                      I do not believe in the tale of stealth without these lenses

                      why don’t they put them on 4th generation aircraft? ..)

                      I believe - I do not believe it, this is not serious. Naturally, no one will show you the real values ​​of the EPR and diagrams - at least in the foreseeable future. This mystery is great - why, probably, it is clear.

                      Confirmation that stealth technologies work is possible:
                      - do not contradict the laws of physics
                      - practically all over the world and on all military equipment these technologies introduce
                      - The incident with the F-117 in Yugoslavia. A plane flying at high altitude was noticed only 23 km from the position, and it was possible to take on escort and bring it down only 10 km from the SAM system. Despite the fact that the Neva’s radar was supposed to see nighthock, if it weren’t noticeable, it’s 70-80 kilometers
          2. Marat79
            Marat79 25 May 2019 22: 06
            -1
            what is the relationship of speed and stealth ?????????
        3. Voyager
          Voyager 25 May 2019 13: 56
          +2
          And you forgot that this flying wing with its speed limits ..
      2. aftbreeze
        aftbreeze 25 May 2019 15: 40
        0
        I believe it! And what's the difference, how long is the comment?
  • Karcer
    Karcer 25 May 2019 06: 22
    +4
    Well, if the space "Buran" was created an unmanned one .. That is so seeds !!!!
    Happy hunting "Hunter" !!! A handsome devil, that means he will fly.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 25 May 2019 07: 05
      +3
      Buran was created back in the USSR! Alas, that country has long been gone, unfortunately!
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 25 May 2019 10: 06
      0
      Quote: Karcer
      That is so seeds !!!!

      if the creation of a UAV is a seed, then why do not we see in the native aircraft armada of different UAVs for their purpose? ..
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 25 May 2019 11: 07
        +1
        There are more than 2000 units in the army of reconnaissance drones: Tipchak, Orlan 10, Orlan 30, Pear, Aileron, Aileron 3, Tachyon 3, Grenade 4, Outpost.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 25 May 2019 11: 13
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          The army of reconnaissance drones has more than 2000 units

          they are all reconnaissance, the lion's part of them are mini-UAVs, and some are not of Russian origin at all.
          Or do you think that a mini-UAV weighing 10 kilos and a serious device of 25 tons are one and the same?
          We do not have many UAV classes, or they are just in development.
          Far from a happy situation with drones.

          By the way, how many UAVs in the US Army or Israel can you tell me?
  • pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 25 May 2019 07: 12
    -2
    The specified characteristics are normal.
    And what will be in reality?
    1. aftbreeze
      aftbreeze 25 May 2019 15: 43
      0
      What what? Who cares how long the commercial is ??
  • nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 25 May 2019 07: 17
    +3
    Rather, they would have brought to mind at least 100 pieces. A satellite image of the airfield walks through the network, in the Su 57 image next to Okhotnik. The dimensions are like a full-fledged airplane. Only the wingspan is larger.
  • prodd
    prodd 25 May 2019 07: 48
    -8
    It is interesting why the x47b, whose copy is the c70, apart from the terrible engine pipe, has long been in the museum, despite the fact that he even got on an aircraft carrier and refueled in the air.
    1. 123454321
      123454321 25 May 2019 08: 06
      0
      Well, you are a copy of your relatives ...
      1. prodd
        prodd 25 May 2019 08: 27
        -5
        If we play in the analogy, then you are not a copy of the neighbor?))
        The bottom line is why did the Americans put the same in the museum? What did not like
        1. Horse, people and soul
          Horse, people and soul 25 May 2019 09: 43
          -2
          The Yankees have their hands growing out of the wrong place. They have F-117 in the museum and Zumvolt from plywood.
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        3. 123454321
          123454321 25 May 2019 16: 23
          0
          The bottom line is that the external similarity still does not mean anything, the laws of aerodynamics, physics, etc. are the same for everyone, and while the Americans are riveted rivet we have exactly the same Aurora museum works))
          And if we catch up to something in a short time, why invent something new
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 25 May 2019 10: 10
      +2
      Quote: prodd
      I wonder why x47b ... has long been in the museum

      because the X-47B was an experimental machine. He did his job. On its basis (or rather, on the solutions worked out on it) they will create new UAVs, already sharpened for a specific task. For example, the Navy wants a UAV tanker

      In addition, although the UAV will become a museum exhibit, the equipment is not removed from it, and it can always be returned to service and involved in new trials.
    3. Philby
      Philby 25 May 2019 10: 26
      0
      For the same reason, in museums, there is a whole bunch of experimental equipment from instant 1.44 to YF 23
    4. maximum 8
      maximum 8 25 May 2019 15: 52
      -2
      Quote: prodd
      It is interesting why the x47b, whose copy is the c70, apart from the terrible engine pipe, has long been in the museum, despite the fact that he even got on an aircraft carrier and refueled in the air.

      Then the x47b is a copy of the Mig-21. And there are two wings there. Moreover, the Mig-21 is still in business and your x47b has long been in the museum. And no stealth, refueling in the air and the ability to board the aircraft carrier did not save him from this fate. .
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 25 May 2019 17: 00
        0
        Quote: maximum 8
        Moreover, the Mig-21 is still in business and your x47b has long been in the museum.

        why S-37 Golden Eagle in the museum? (or rather, not even in a museum, but simply in an open area in the LII)


        Probably because both he and the X-47B were created as an experimental apparatus for testing new technologies, constructive solutions and software.
  • Oleg1263
    Oleg1263 25 May 2019 08: 18
    0
    Is it possible to use him as a scout?
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 25 May 2019 15: 10
      0
      Quote: oleg1263
      Is it possible to use him as a scout?

      Most likely not as a strategic one. For the tactical, he is too big and expensive. Although, if the UAV can fly independently (without operator’s participation, according to the signals of the satellite system or along a route pre-stored in the memory), it can act as a scout
  • Horse, people and soul
    Horse, people and soul 25 May 2019 09: 41
    +1
    A lot of arrogant game has already been divorced for this hunter.

    yes
  • Mestny
    Mestny 25 May 2019 09: 46
    0
    Quote: Gray Brother
    At the moment, "AI" is just big words applied to software that uses complex algorithms.
    Since these algorithms are one hell based on machine logic like "yes / no", all "meaningful" actions are reduced to a simple comparison of given and incoming data.
    Intelligence there does not smell.

    The work of human intelligence is based on exactly the same principles. All our meaningful actions are based on the processing of incoming data and the choice of an algorithm of behavior developed earlier in the learning process. Or combinations thereof.
    The faster the selection takes place, and the more accurate it is, the smarter the brain. Well, of course, quick learning.
    In the remaining cases, when the finished model is not found, the person makes mistakes.

    In this situation, we can talk not about the lack of AI, but about its insufficient perfection.
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 25 May 2019 10: 31
      0
      Quote: Mestny
      The work of human intelligence is based on exactly the same principles. All our meaningful actions are based on the processing of incoming data and the choice of an algorithm of behavior developed earlier in the learning process. Or combinations thereof.
      The faster the selection takes place, and the more accurate it is, the smarter the brain. Well, of course, quick learning.
      In the remaining cases, when the finished model is not found, the person makes mistakes.

      you are not quite right. The human brain and computer are great different. and not in favor of the latter. Everything is different - the algorithms are different, the methods of transmitting and storing information.
      The brain does not search for information by address, like a computer, but by content. For a computer, there is no connection between the address at which the information is located and the very essence of this information, but for the brain it is. The human brain is able to restore information only on its fragmentary part or to extract data due to the associative series. A person thinks, a computer simply processes information based on algorithms. We retrieve information on associations, while the computer retrieves information from a database. The computer works with abstract symbols, and the human brain works with images of specific objects.

      It is possible to create a certain external semblance of human intelligence - but that will simply require colossal computational capabilities from a computer, huge databases and very complex algorithms. and it will only be a kind of brain. What the computer undoubtedly wins - so it does not know fatigue and surpasses the person in computational capabilities - try to compete with him in mathematics. But he will hopelessly lose you in the possibilities of making decisions or recognizing objects - exactly where not only the speed of enumerating options is required. For example, it costs us nothing to get around a tree - and from the best side for us (for example, from the one where there is no puddle). For computers, this is still a problem ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 25 May 2019 11: 11
        +1
        "The brain searches for information not by address, like a computer, but by content." ///
        ----
        Just like a computer - at. This was checked by cutting off different parts of the brain.
        There is no site - "something is not remembered".
        The brain works very much like a comp. Only all sorts of multithreading are very developed.
        and parallel "chips". This gives rise to the "creative thinking" effect:
        "Oh, how many options I have - I'm thinking!" laughing
        In fact, it is just a dozen "chips" working in the brain at the same time,
        throwing a colliding info into the same channels. Head this time
        overheats and starts to hurt.

        "The computer works with abstract symbols, and the human brain works with images of concrete objects." /////
        ----
        Both the brain and the computer process images into abstract symbols. Only different.
        And works with them.
        1. Marat79
          Marat79 25 May 2019 22: 08
          -1
          you have no idea how the brain works.
          maybe it’s better not to write anything ??? highly recommend
      2. Mestny
        Mestny 25 May 2019 11: 11
        0
        Everything you described is nothing more than the design features of two different devices, so to speak.
        Nobody has been retrieving any data for a long time. And for different types of information, let’s say, some sort of information is already being formed ... some conditional repositories, structures, which in themselves in a certain way correspond to the type of data stored in them. Yes, and the so-called associations are nothing more than an ordinary filter for selecting these very data.
        And by the way, for a small person, a child, choosing a path around your tree is not an easy task. It requires training, the creation of a certain pattern of behavior to circumvent such an obstacle, or similar with a certain tolerance.
        Most people, when they become adults, then use these patterns of action, often not paying attention to the inconsistency of the conditions for their use, and do not try to develop new ones, that is, learn.
        And of course, a person-level AI capable of real creativity will never be created. Just because no one knows how it works at all.
        And the task of going around three pines and one puddle - believe me, both the human brain and AI solve this kind of problem with approximately the same methods, and at almost the same speed.
        Such a "soldier" AI will not joke with you, and will not ask for a zakurti. But "take this - carry it there," or "sit here, shoot there" will be performed quite clearly and conscientiously. And what do you need in the army?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 25 May 2019 12: 23
          0
          "And of course there will never be a human-level AI,
          capable of real creativity "////
          -----
          This, on the contrary, turned out to be the easiest for AI.
          Up to 1/4 of today's best-selling novels are being written
          computer programs. The authors are dummies.
          And fugues under Bach, and paintings under Monet. And art critics sit in a puddle
          trying to distinguish the creation of a computer from the creations of recognized classics.
          All this is very sad, I agree, but - alas ... sad
          1. dali
            dali 25 May 2019 23: 09
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh

            Quote: Mestny

            And of course, a person-level AI capable of real creativity will never be created. Just because no one knows how it works at all.

            This, on the contrary, turned out to be the easiest for AI.

            Then the question is ... can a monkey create a monkey level AI ?!
            Answer this question and then the question of human-level AI will be decided by itself ...

            shl
            In the meantime, all this is nothing more than the so-called (not in a bad sense) expert systems.
            Well, it became fashionable to call advanced expert systems AI.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 25 May 2019 23: 19
              +1
              So, .. and our brain can be considered as
              "advanced expert system". And nothing more.
              The rest: feelings, emotions, instincts. But this good
              and in animals in excess.
              People tend to overestimate their mental abilities,
              accordingly underestimating "specialized self-learning
              programs ", which are commonly called AI.
              1. dali
                dali 26 May 2019 00: 06
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                People tend to overestimate their mental abilities,
                accordingly underestimating "specialized self-learning
                programs"

                You have a cognitive dissonance ... laughing
                If people's mental abilities are overestimated, then they are unlikely to be able to develop self-learning programs ...

                Quote: voyaka uh
                So, .. and our brain can be considered as
                "advanced expert system". And nothing more.
                The rest: feelings, emotions, instincts. But this good
                and in animals in excess.

                I’ll tell you one little secret ... without this, as you say good, we won’t even pull on an advanced system ... therefore, to consider the brain as a separate human bio-part is at least ... I won’t say that ... laughing

                Well ... you again left the answer to the question: Then the question is ... can a monkey create a monkey level AI? ... ahhh ... laughing
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 26 May 2019 00: 18
                  +1
                  Can you play Go? This, if you are not aware, is a "game of mathematicians".
                  With extremely simple rules, but countless
                  options for every move. Chess, in comparison with go - tic-tac-toe.
                  Two years ago, AI confidently beat several world champions in go.
                  Enumeration of options does not work in this game. She is intuitively intelligent.
                  However, software placed in a relatively weak comp (a bit stronger
                  office Psi) defeated the strongest brains of the world.
                  1. region58
                    region58 26 May 2019 03: 45
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Can you play go?

                    You may be interested in:
          2. Vadim68
            Vadim68 26 May 2019 20: 58
            0
            I think you're exaggerating
  • KB-2
    KB-2 25 May 2019 10: 34
    -2
    Who does not jump - that is not the Hunter UAV)))))
  • Joker62
    Joker62 25 May 2019 13: 29
    0
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Ten years later, not earlier.

    Much earlier than you think. Not more than 1-1,5 years, and the machine will be in service at the VKS.
    The question is different - how this machine is ready for production - all the questions to the state training ground, where this miracle is tested.
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 25 May 2019 20: 02
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    Everything is already being created on CAD - they are also tested there, paper is needed only at the end, for printing the received design and assembly drawings.

    Holy naivety.
    All of these are developed by the same constructor, but instead of pulmans and pencils with an eraser, they have computers. And design engineers, like all hard workers, have the right to make a mistake.

    And paper is often not needed at all. A finished file is loaded into a modern machine and a finished part appears from it.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 May 2019 01: 15
      0
      So, in order to rule out errors, there are computer simulations and other things. Paper is still needed - as not all parts are made on CNC machines. And the file itself may not be compatible with the software of the machine.
  • Kunica
    Kunica 25 May 2019 23: 08
    -1
    We are waiting for the bounce test next year.
  • serge siberian
    serge siberian 26 May 2019 15: 20
    0
    We’ll wait until the end of the test, but you can always fantasize. hi
  • SSJ
    SSJ 26 May 2019 17: 25
    -1
    Something dragged on the test of this drone. Probably, Iranian shepherds managed to unscrew critical components from the crashed Amer drone, so the process of reconstructing a functional copy is delayed.
  • krjugerfred
    krjugerfred 26 May 2019 19: 56
    -1
    Work brothers! God on mon