The Ministry of Defense showed a new armored car K-4386-Air Defense "Typhoon-Air Defense"

The newest armored car K-4386-air defense "Typhoon-air defense", designed to carry calculations of mobile MANPADS, showed at the site "Vorontsovsky" 726-th training center of air defense of the ground forces of the Russian Federation. Two newest armored vehicles are being tested at the test site.

It is reported that the new armored vehicle K-4386-air defense "Typhoon-air defense" is a modification of the armored vehicle "Typhoon-Airborne Forces" already in service. The main difference from the base model is a turret with a machine gun caliber 12,7 mm and the presence of two hatches in the roof: one for the gunner-gunner, the second for the gunner operator MANPADS, allowing you to fire on aircraft.

The total mass of the armored car is a little more than 14 tons. 350 hp engine and 9-speed gearbox allows you to accelerate the car to 105 km / h and cover the distance in 1200 km. Crew 5 man: driver, crew commander and 3 arrow calculation MANPADS.

The main purpose of the new armored car is to cover troop columns, mechanized groups on the march and in the parking areas, as well as to quickly change the position of the calculations of mobile anti-aircraft systems. In addition, the machine can be used as a commander or communications.

At this stage, not only the armored car itself, but also its radio-electronic base, is being tested in troop operation. According to the results of these tests, it will be decided to use this machine at the stage of the international competition "Clear Sky", which will be held in August this year in China.

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[Siberia 75]

Based on the results of these tests, a decision will be made to use this machine at the stage of the international "Clear Sky" competition, which will be held in August this year in China.

There is already information that the decision was made positive
In general, Army International Games is a very good initiative. (I would like to change the logo)

[Andrey Andreev_4]

"..calculation commander and 3 arrow calculation MANPADS"
Where are there so many of them, are they there that they will be on duty "in three days"?

[boathouse]

The howitzer on it is still mounted and MLRS. He wouldn’t have a price then.

[Siberia 75]

Quote: varadero

Mount the howitzer on it and MLRS

It was designed for a divisional bomb, with a nuclear caliber of four thousand two millimeters. A howitzer will not do.

[Berkut24]

I compare it with the Ukrainian "Warta" and I feel sorry for the scrap metal collectors from the Square.

[marlin1203]

But it will not be bold. The usual armored personnel carrier, or a tent truck is not enough?

[Genry]

Quote: marlin1203

The usual armored personnel carrier, or a tent truck is not enough?

This armored car, just combines an armored personnel carrier and a small truck.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: marlin1203

But it will not be bold. The usual armored personnel carrier, or a tent truck is not enough?

BTR is more expensive than this miracle of technology... And a tilt truck ... in those places where Typhoons are used, the l / s in the back of the truck has a big threat of being hit by a line from a shooter, fragments from a mine / shell or mine detonation.

[cat Rusich]

Hinting at Syria - according to your information, do terrorists have manned aircraft? Reflect the A-10 raid, Apache ... Aviation (the most likely enemy - NATO) will hit from afar. How Typhoon-Air Defense will detect aircraft (helicopters) and determine their affiliation ? Perhaps this will be done by a certain ,, radio-electronic base ,, ? The hatch for the arrow operator MANPADS - ONE !!! (will you use the second?)

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Alexey RA

An armored personnel carrier is more expensive than this miracle of technology.

I doubt it. I doubt it very much. Airborne MRAP, new for the industry, in which about 50% of components are imported, against the well-established in production and almost the entire head of the domestic "eighties" ...

[Blue fox]

It's a shame to see even Michelin tires on an armored car, is it really that the same Omskshina is not able to give birth to an analogue?

[Andrey Andreev_4]

Omskshina got used to stamping tires with tens of thousands, and here only a couple of hundred sets of force. Easier to buy abroad.

[K-612-O]

And Michelin and Continental and Pirelli have long been doing in Russia

[Blue fox]

For armored vehicles? And the profit remains in Russia ??

[Pushkowed]

And what prevented you from simply mounting the Sagittarius module on it (the land-based analogue of the Flexible)? He also shoots rockets from the Needle and Willow, but you don't have to stick your head out of the booked volume.

[Den717]

Quote: Pushkowed

And what prevented you from simply mounting the Sagittarius module on it

The price of the product.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Den717

Quote: Pushkowed
And what prevented you from simply mounting the Sagittarius module on it

The price of the product.

calculation of MANPADS on bicycles - it would be generally cheap)) Do you know the saying: stingy pays twice? In this craft, all the conditions have been created for the MANPADS operator to perform his duties as "efficiently" as possible))

[Den717]

Quote: Gregory_45

In this craft, all the conditions have been created for the MANPADS operator to perform his duties as "efficiently" as possible))

I guess, yes. Nothing prevents him from firing from MANPADS. And the task has changed, with the same efficiency the calculation (of another) can shoot from Metis or Bassoon. And you can stick a reconnaissance group with a light UAV there, for example. I think that it’s not at all necessary that the Typhoon-Air Defense should be sharpened solely on air defense. MTLB, for example, is a tractor, and performs the functions of an armored personnel carrier. Doesn't that upset anyone? As a result, the car is both economical and universal. IMHO

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Den717

I guess, yes. Nothing prevents him from firing from MANPADS.

those. sticking his belt out of the hatch, risking to catch a splinter - is this normal in current conditions? Why then put remote-controlled modules - on a whim? For example, the ATGM Cornet based on the Tiger is controlled from the inside. Exactly like MANPADS at its base. Do we have airborne forces so elite that shrapnel and bullets bounce off fighters?

[Den717]

Quote: Gregory_45

Why then put remote-controlled modules - on a whim?

Before you build the product, the project is protected. Apparently they found arguments and defended exactly that. If you are opposed, file a petition, let them reverse the decision or explain to you more authoritatively.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Den717

Apparently found arguments

does it even occur to you that the "arguments" may be wrong? ..

[Den717]

Quote: Gregory_45

does it even occur to you that the "arguments" may be wrong? ..

Well, of course they can, they are even obliged ... After all, we have generals, that the military, that the production, are very often under-smart. Only in the light of strategy and production progress.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Den717

After all, we

so what are you, what are you, our generals and great production workers are all the lights, they make exclusively ingenious and only right decisions, and, most importantly, they always achieve their realization)) In everything and always)))

Look at the terrible mess of various equipment in our ground forces (we will soon catch up with the Hindus in terms of hodgepodge). And how wonderful everything is in aviation! Hundreds of fighters of the 5th generation, a powerful BTA and an armada of strategists)) And I don’t even talk about the fleet - just exemplary!
You are satisfied? And that’s all done by those who never make mistakes))

[Den717]

Quote: Gregory_45

what are you, what are you, we have generals and great production workers

By no means, they are people too, and nothing human is alien to them. But we must realize that if we are not conquered, then our army and industry, headed by these generals, are sufficiently "advanced" to compete successfully on this front. Ask yourself a question - if you consider yourself more competent than the entire military-industrial commission, relatively speaking, then why are you not a general? After all, you don't even know what exactly caused the choice of this construction, simply because the minutes of the discussion of these topics are not for publication, but you already take responsibility for discussing their mental abilities. This reminds me more of childish maximalism, in which the reason for everything that is not understood is the impenetrable stupidity of all those who think differently.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Den717

By no means, they are people too

then why do you think they are sinless and exceptionally correctly thinking, and we, the VO participants (some of them with real experience in the database, or with the experience of serious engineering work) and also people who are incapable of this?

Quote: Den717

if you consider yourself more competent than the entire military-industrial commission, relatively speaking, then why aren't you a general?

Estimate, I do not need this))

Quote: Den717

and you are already taking the responsibility to discuss their mental abilities.

you began to discuss mental abilities, and I discuss the presented construction. And as an engineer, I find it far from optimal (and to put it mildly).

[Den717]

Quote: Gregory_45

then why do you consider them sinless

Today, almost all generals with "experience", moreover, have served, as a rule, not simple, and industrial ones have not only "experience of serious engineering work", but significant success in organizing defense production and the release of critical products.

Quote: Gregory_45

Estimate, I do not need this))

Creeping out from under the table, I’ll say that everyone says exactly that when they don’t show abilities in moving around their careers and business, although there is also a career there.

Quote: Gregory_45

And as an engineer, I find it far from optimal (and to put it mildly).

Creative people in such cases, when there are no arguments, say "I see it this way."
In principle, you have the right in your own way to consider other people's decisions

Quote: Gregory_45

far from optimal (and to put it mildly).

But the fact is that your vision does not affect the fate of the design, which you do not like. How is it about the caravan ..... going and going ... Yes, your analogies with Honduras show that your analytical successes are still ahead. And one should not ascribe to interlocutors what is not written, especially a commitment to the absolutization of phenomena. At a minimum, this is an indicator of misunderstanding of someone else’s position (I think the matter did not come to manipulation). You really do not need to be a general ...

[Grigory_45]

special thanks for the cons)

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Den717

if we are not conquered, then our army and industry, headed by these generals, are sufficiently "advanced"

and did someone try to conquer us? Russia?
And, if this is the criterion, then ... Honduras, too, no one conquers. Perhaps he also has the strongest army and industry?

Based on your comment, are you absolutely satisfied with everything in our armed forces ?: Is everything perfect and exemplary? So understand your comments? After all, they are led by the sinless? Serdyukov is also sinless? ...))

[cat Rusich]

They made a car (Typhoon) - now they don’t know what to do? Air Defense - Shell, Wasp, Pine, Tunguska, Shilka ... What more do you need?

[Grigory_45]

this:

much more interesting and functional than shown misunderstanding...